HF8 Haptic Feedback Pad with Simshaker for Aviators software is AMAZING! | Full Set up included
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2023
- Amazing immersion in MSFS when you combine the HF8 Haptic seat pad from Next Level Racing and the Simshaker for Aviators software. Welcome to a totally new experience. Video includes where to get it (Freeware) and how to set it up for the HF8.
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Post making this video I can confirm Simshakers for Aviators only uses 6 of the vibrators in the seat pad. The two rear seat ones are not activated. Didn't seem to detract from the overall experience though.
It looks like a backward compatibility issue. HF8 predecessor Forcefeel, which is actually supported by SimShaker for Aviators, was designed looking back at Gametrix JetSeat KW-908 which featured 8 motors but just 6 channels to control them. Guys intended to provide backward compatibility with existing software. Probably something was messed up. Other SimShaker software pieces address all 8 motors of Forcefeel/HF8.
Mark, try the Massage option in the Settings menu. I could swear on my Rig's life, the top ones are rumbling, I can even hear them.
Or am I gone beyond repair?
heh
Cheers!
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@@AndreyOgleznev When you say other simshaker software works with all 8 motors, can you elaborate on that? What software would we need to get to be fully compatible with the HF8? Thanks.
@@BillCClinton I meant SimShaker Wheels and SimShaker Wings, which support a number of other great titles, but not MSFS. Talking about the MSFS, you could discuss the issue with SimShaker for Aviators developer, his nick is f4l0. I think he need the HF8 seat instance to elaborate on that. Actually what he did thus far is support for HF8 predecessor.
Your reviews and tutorials are always "on point" - you cover the subject comprehensibility and pretty much always answer any questions I might have.
Please keep them coming!
Thank you...
Mike 😊👍🏻
Thank you very much for your help. I lost many hours trying to put HF8 working. NRL told me to use SimShaker, but not how to… just finish to follow your video and make my first flight using HF8. Thank you very much, from Portugal. You rock!
Thank you for this excellent tutorial, very helpful, really appreciate your contributions to the community Marc!
Thanks Mark for another great and informative video. Ive just placed my order for the HF8, thank you for helping me make an informed decision.
yes indeed , can't fly without it ... HF8, Sim shaker for aviator wow big winner for me. finally, after communicating with Will (very helpful) and watching your videos i cleaned all the bugs and now working flowless. thanks.
Just want to say thanks, as a new HF8 owner, followed your advice, wow, what a difference. Thanks again for making the sim world a better place!
Doesn't say much about the Company's ability to communicate with its customers about it's products though does it ?
Simhanger can talk about a coffee table and make it interesting these content videos are always good
You're not wrong. I've been eyeing up that chair he reviewed a while back.
Thanks allot for these very helpful video's you make. This is my first rumble experience of the HF8 from NLR. excellent explanation again. I love your video's keep them coming!🙂
This software and tutorial are phenomenal!
Thanks a lot for this software it did change the whole experience than the original software always following your videos and they are always enhancing the experience . Thanks a lot
Great video. Convinced me to get a HF8. Love it. Much quieter for the rest of the house than the Buttkicker but love the effects! Use it in combination with the NLR Motion Plus system.
Thank you so very much. I was about to return it when I caught your very informative video. Works great. Thank you 😅😅
Thanks for the info turned of open in windows now I'm back in the air. Thanks again awesome video
Now this is more like it! This software is a MUST HAVE for the HF8! So much more detail than the HFS software. It brings this Spitfire to life!! Now all I need is a motion rig hahahaha..... NB When I set this up and on initial start there were no entries in the Generic Piston Engine as shown at 08:29 so I am guessing that you ran this software once in MSFS before actually showing the windows in the video. It works fine once you load an aircraft in and choose the Generic Piston Engine profile. This is magical!
Thanks smart again great video my pad is out for delivery as you speak good timing I will try recommend settings on mine
Getting mine tomorrow for DCS. Will use SSA software aswell.
Thanks for your clear review.
Does HF8 work well with DCS? Can you, for example, make the DCS F/A 18 vibrate when using the gun?
Informative and indepth ...well done 👍 enjoyed the video
Thanks
Thank you, thank you! I have had some issues with the HF8 standard software. Including quite often having "server errors" when you start the software and it will not run. HFS customer support acknowledged this as an issue and suggested I use the SimHub software (until their revisions come out), but that doesn't include any flight sim setup. I just finished flying with SSA the first time...and it is WAY better than the software that came with it...even only using 6 of the transducers.
You took my words! Finally my first flight with HF8 working.
Great video tutorial, Marc! I am convinced & after looking at the comments, so are they. 😅 I haven't got it yet but will be & back to look at your tutorial when I do. It is so important to add, adjust & tweak as much as possible for realism, & improve this bit of heaven we call, Microsoft Flight Simulator feel when we fly or crash in my case.😅 lol, I take the Simulator very seriously as it is my number one hobby & not cheap. Tell me is this for the PC-Xbox App version as you mentioned the Steam version. I imagine it works on both? In any case, I appreciate the great advice & acknowledge your sincerity for these products. You've done a great job Slan, and Marc, stay into the blue. lol 👍😉👍❤💚😊😍
Nice. Hopefully haptic feedback interest in this manner grows and with it the support for it. Been using it in DCS (and a few years ago in X-Plane) for many years and, especially in VR - it has become a no-go item on the checklist if [somehow] it's not working.
I'm trying to set it up for dcs and in my simshaker it's marked seat statue: not connected... yet I'm only USB my light is red... 😕 and i am in forcefeet
Thank you, Mark. I've been thinking about getting one of these for some time, I fly in VR, and feel it would be a much better option to use with a standard gamer chair than the ButtKicker. BTW, oddly my passengers scream like that a lot too! :P Only teasing, I fly Cargo; that doesn't scream :)
❤ Thx and take care mate
Thank you for your video and expertise. I have been trying to get the Next level s/w to work without success. I contacted Next Level and was not provided any assistance. Again, thank you for your help.
would love a review for airliner settings
Hi Mark, purchased the HF8, FYI whilst setting simshaker to ForceFeel the seat would not connect so I changed the USB from 2 to 3 and it worked. After playing around with the settings I had more success with the HFS beta software than Simshaker as far as functionality goes. You mentioned in an earlier video about the comfort and I am finding it uncomfortable so far
Thank you Mark Got my HF8 Friday and set up as per your instructions.. Any changes to your settings will be appreciated if you find better settings in the future.. I wonder if HF8 will mode their software in the future to compete with Sim shaker?
Thank You!
I run the HF8 with DCS, which isn‘t supported by the NLR software so far, with the SSA software with great pleasure. It works great.
All the 8 motors works with ssa?
Does HF8 work well with DCS? Can you, for example, make the DCS F/A 18 vibrate when using the gun?
Great video as usual Mark. I've just put my order in for the HF8. What seat are you using Mark? Would you recommend it?
Really like this video. Can you tell me your settings for airliners ??? I used the default settings. All I felt were the engines. Any ideas?
Thanks as always! Simshaker is good ! for flying - I cant understand the inane IMPORT EXPORT (should be dead simple) - DCS shows up everytime - cant save settings using Export . very odd.
I am having problems logging in to HFS with NextLRace . . . trouble ticket ???? wow - Seems like this would be even better especially with the assignment to all 8 devices. I did notice that when you test the seat pad in SimShaker - only six respond fyi. This stuff gets to be ... painfully fun.
NLR software and Simshaker Aviators are completely different. The NLR program allows me to set which motors react to an event whereas Simshaker just vibrates ALL the motors. I much prefer the NLR program - it was easy to install and only took a couple of minutes to get it working.
Can we please talk about that magnificent wallpaper? 😍
thanks !!!
Very good as usual Mark, nice to see a second video as everyone says NLR software not up to scratch yet. However, would be very interested if you could compare the U-Shake6 seat which uses transducers rather than vibrators. Can also use the same "Simshakerforaviators" software. Many thanks in advance, Alistair
Haven’t tried the other seat pad so can’t really comment.
@@SimHangerFS I’m sure with your reputation they would lend you one. PS have you tried with an airliner (I fly 737-800)?
@@alistairknott6075 yes, different experience, but great for take off and landing!
This would be even better with Yaw 2!
I've wanted to buy this since seeing your first video but cannot find it in stock. Its about £280 on Amazon EU but they refuse to ship to Northern Ireland due to the NI Protocol. Scan Computers have it lused but no stock till at least next month
Great video. I have an HF-8 on its way. One question...Is it possible to feel a good landing over a heavy touch down? Would you be able to detect a "greaser" ?
The difference can be felt, but the difference is nominal.
Great video! I am getting my HF8 tomorrow. Have you tried the HF8 in DCS?
I‘m running the HF8 with the Simshaker for Aviators software. It works great with it.
Mark, thanks for this video, however, I wasn’t able to run simshaker. I have uninstalled and reinstalled both apps twice, to no avail. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
Hi Mark, do you think the HF8 back is stiff enough for a low back office chair - thanks Mike
I wonder if this can be added to a FOD H6?
Thank you for the always excellent tutorials. One question - will installing the legacy version of simconnect conflict with the MS2020 version of simconnect?
No it will not affect it in any way. Tested. 👍 each program called for a specific version of simconnect so you can have multiple versions installed at the same time.
@@SimHangerFS Thankyou!!
Do they have any plan to add support for DCS World?
Thanks
Thanks for supporting the channel 👍
4:08 . Nice 1
I would like to try it out… I have the butt kicker.
What’s the HF8 like for turbulence ?
Just ordered mine as I was under the impression it would work with audio feedback via MSFS2020, but when you set up the SimShaker profile, I only see prop engine. Will this not work with airliners such as the FBW and Fenix A320?
You should have more than just engine. Try reinstall?
Great video Mark. Do you install the legacy Simconnect even though we have a later version. Also will Simshaker run the seat and buttkicker simultaneously? Thanks for this great video. I have the seat and had problems getting it to work on a second flight.
Yes you need the legacy simconnect too. It doesn’t interfere with other programs using simconnect as they are not calling for that version. Yes I believe it can, but you would need the sound module I think. Not sure, check their website.
@@SimHangerFS yes I have the sound module. It’s running the Buttkicker on a dedicated USB sound card.
I purchased the HF8 based on your video. And as always, it was very comprehensive and informative. I do have one question I didn't see covered: How do I access my PC desktop to activate the HF8 app from within a VR flight session in MSFS 2020? Any help anyone could offer regarding this is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Once in MSFS, take off your headset start app on desktop and then continue in vr. HF8 now active
@@SimHangerFS Thank you! Finally figured the process to get it running and WOW! You would not think a set of vibrating pads could offer such a feel of realism, BUT IT DOES! For some reason, mine stops working after about 25min. Still shows as connected but I don't think it is receiving input from the sim. Going to test tomorrow to see how long it lasts if I remain in the vicinity of my departure airport.
@@brettsflyndad9945 yes this is a simconnect problem, dev aware. I have updated and gone back to the HF8 software. Very good now they have ironed out the bugs.
Can i ask you... the throttle is not a standard SAITEK handle. Where did you get that? I have been looking for something like that.
Honeycomb Bravo TQ.
You could have told me you were testing the Hf8 when I agreed to come for a ride 😅 Excellent overview, I wonder if this is compatible with the Ushake6, as currently, their software does not have a bespoke flying profile. I'll have to try it out. Cheers!
Interesting thought. I also have a Ushake and find the software set up for MSFS very frustrating
Lol…didn’t know you screamed like that 😂
With Ushake6, which is bass-shaker based, you will want to use another piece of SimShaker software, namely SimShaker Sound Module. It adds low frequency audio output to SimShaker for Aviators.
@@SimHangerFS 😂😂
@@AndreyOgleznev Many thanks 🙏
Does it actually make you feel climbs and descends? If not, are there any chairs in the markets that go up and down to immerse that feeling?
It gives the feeling of vibrations only- engine running, ground movement, turbulence, undercarriage movement, afterburner (that's a good one) there are more but if you want sensations of lift off or banking then you are talking of motion platforms and vr fightsim guy has covered the dof platform very well.
Good afternoon Mike, only just come across this video after 2 weeks trying to sort out my feedback with my transducers. Got it finally working , but not sure what settings to put in with the msfs sound settings. As there's only to boxes one for communication and the other For main game sounds. ( WHAT HAVE YOU PUT IN YOURS ) I use quest 2 and hyper x headset and change them as to which I'm using. The issue I have is the only way to get the transducers to come through from the sim is to set the mains sound from msfs, is to set it to the transducers; but this then stops me hearing the game sound. JUST CANT SEEM TO FIND AWAY PAST THIS. Any help would be much appreciate.
Great helpful video as always. Keep up the greatvwork.
Hello, seat is set to usb in app settings and speakers to default. The HF8 app has been updated and is now more stable than this. I recommend going back to that application.
I am trying to make a decision between this pad and the SRS Ushake 6. Do you have any thoughts on the two?
I have not tried the SRS product so it would be unfair to comment.
Karl Gosling has looked at both. SRS U-Shake6: ruclips.net/video/8KJl4tHD498/видео.html; NLR HF8: ruclips.net/video/5nuB_wRy7o0/видео.html. They might help you.
Were you able to test HF8 with turbine aircraft? If so, which software would you recommend jets? Thank you for this video!
You use the prop profile, edit and build your own profile for jets & airliners
@@SimHangerFS Great, many thanks.
@@SimHangerFS Not really feeling the engine rumble at 40 with the Kodiak. Not sure if that is normal for that aircraft since I never have flown in one in real life. Should I increase this?
Followed the video instructions, Cannot get the Generic piston engine option under MSFS, only generic helicopter, it is greyed out, but available under DCS, any thoughts please
I was seeing the same issue until MSFS booted up fully. Then it identified the aircraft type and allowed changes to the vibration settings.
Load up a prop in MSFS and it will be there. 😊
Show installed is not showing on my home screen. Strange.
@9:46 it looks like you are running both the HF8 software and the Simshaker software at the same time. Do you switch off the green 'on' buttons in the HF8 software or does the Simshaker software override that? Thank you :)
No, I run one or the other, not both.
I know this was focused on MSFS but I would like to use this with DCS. Everything test fine but in the SIM (DCS) I get no vibrations at all.
Does this work with modded aircraft in MS? SSA is pretty rubbish unless it’s default aircraft.
Tried it with the C310R …worked great.
is it working on airliners? 737 (pmdg) or just for vanilla aircraft in msfs?
Works on airliners, but effect is very much subdued.
I followed the instructions but it did not work for me. I have a message stating that the force feel state is not connected. I don't know how to move from there. Does anyone ran into this problem and found a solution? I will appreciate any advice
Help please ! Watched this over and over but still can't get mine to vibrate only vibrates with test
This suddenly stopped working with Simshaker, had it working for a couple days now no longer can connect. "Forcefeel Seat state: Not connected" and cant detect any pad really. I agree this is much better then NLR but not a sure fire consistant way to use the pad it seems. Unless, i'm doing something wrong. Also, the software for NLR was just updated, wonder if that is a rootcause
Not sure, mine is still working okay. Try reinstall the legacy simconnect.
Figured out simshaker doesn't always read the right state of the HF8. I had to to turn it on into Audio mode then back to usb mode for the pad itself. Working great again, just now with more gray hair :).
What indication does the pad give you if you fly uncoordinated/slip the plane, if any?
It doesn’t
Alright, thanks
So is Simshakers just a better more sensitive interface over the HF8? They work together?
I’ve just installed both programs but I cannot open Simshakers. I click on it and it doesn’t open, but it’s running in task manager. Reinstall twice with same result.
Right click on icon in hidden taskbar
@@SimHangerFS Yes, found it, excellent! I reviewed your video, thanks! 👍
It’s all installed 👍 But how do I know it’s actually working, hard to tell over HF8’s settings? Do we also first open and adjust the configuration in HF8 (as you have shown) then open Simshakers with it configured (as you have shown), running both? Thx!
since yesterday my simshaker stopped working on its own the error message says : unhandled exception has occurred in your application in sim shaker starter ? anyone else experience the same
No, not had that. Try reinstall legacy simconnect.
Hi Mark do you have to remove the original software for this pad or do you just install sim shaker for aviators
Just install the sim shakers software. Note there is a bug in it. Simconnect (legacy) seems to periodically disconnect. Not sure why.
Hi Mark just wondering if the bug in simshakers has been corrected ? and as per your recommendation I got the Tobii eye tracker , now do I just leave it plugged in all the time or should I disconnect when not in use Thanks Mark @@SimHangerFS
@@williamcandelaria947 Simshakers has not been updated, and no indication it will be unfortunately. The HF8 software has been updated and is much more stable now. Tobii can remain connected. When not using it I just switch it off in the software.
Hi Mark, any update to pass on after 9-10 months of use? New software update(s)? Best Regards.
The NLR software has been updated and I have gone back to using that. More reliable and stable.
Thanks for the quick reply, cheers!
BTW, have you changed your GA profile?
You want to check to enable logging and then uncheck to disable it. It’s a big frame rate hit.
Thanks 😊
This bug is fixed in version 2.6.2 of SimShaker for Aviators
why is it that when I click to change from DCS to MSFS (7:35 in the video) I don't get any of the effect options and the Generic Helicopter is greyed out so I can't select the Generic Piston Engine - what am I missing???
I don’t know. Ensure legacy simconnect is install or it will not see it. Reinstall simconnect.
Do you have an aircraft loaded in the sim? I got the HF8 on Friday and my immediate reaction was the same as yours until I started a flight and the aircraft type then loaded into the SS software. If not then press the little Reset icon beside the list of aircraft type
@chrisibbotson6367 Good call - that worked for me as well. Plus, it put up a profile for a jet aircraft when I tried it out in the hawk - thanks
SAme here, it appears the sim connect won't install for me thus i'm having the same problem, some about a compatability problem.
Using the same in SimShaker for Aviators - Selecting Simulation- SimConnect, Everything turns gray in effect Settings- Model- Generic Helicopter-
I have the same problen now. How did you fix this?
My HF8 used to work like a chamr in Win10 ; updated to Win11 and it stopped working with simshaker for aviators...anybody have the same experience?
You may need to reinstall
+1
Sooooo, does the HF8 have a ... weight limit ?
150kg
@@SimHangerFS Thank you !
Only prob with the HF8 is that SimShakers stops working after 10 to 20 mins quite often or after certain actions.
When it does stop, all you have to do is get the window that shows the haptic seat, and it will show another message window - click the button on that window, and it will start working again.
Are these available in the U.K.?
Yes I got mine from Amazon UK.
Overclockers currently have it in stock for £229
@@chrisibbotson6367 Just ordered. Many thanks.
One problem I am having with this, otherwise excellent, software is that it will randomly stop, will keep vibrating after engine shutdown and will randomly crash or stop in the middle of a flight.
Just ignore the passenger screams!
HI
I like the pad better then the buttkicker. The Butkicker does a better job with feeling the ground but the pad is better in all other things. I still think the software from them or simshaker has a ways to go. I find the pad very uncomfortable.
I added a layer of foam pads. I can still feel everything but the HF8 feels better.
The problem ist that your seating position gets higher and higher… I am at a point where my knees hit the table top when I put my feet on the rudder pedals. Now I‘m thinking about raising my desk by 5cm. Never ending story…
Isn't it possible to use the buttkicker and HF8 together with SSA? Cheers
Yes, but you need to purchase the separate sound module for bass shakers. 30 bucks and worth it.
Application crashes every 5 minutes, bunk software as well.
After a week of use…HF8 works flawlessly, but SSA keeps dropping-out everytime after only a few minutes.
Try reinstall simconnect.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks! I tried to reinstall Simconnect FSX but it will not allow as it’s already installed. Can’t find the path to uninstall it first lol!
@@kennykanada go to control panel …programs & features…select it and uninstall.
@@SimHangerFS Ok, that worked and I reinstalled Simconnect. But the same thing happens, after about 5-10 minutes it just stops working. So I start HF8 and that works fine. I can sometimes feel SSA turning on and off over HF8, even though I shut it off lol! Frustrating.
@@kennykanada weird, not sure why?
The manufacturers software is plain a waste of time. Eg if you crash the plane and need to restart the flight for any reason the whole cumbersome process has to be gone thru again . Just use simshaker for aviators
Really? That’s a disaster. Has it been reported?
Xbox usage is not worth it….. laughable to be honest
I‘m running HF8 and butkicker simultaniously, and that works really well for me!