Lumo fares start at £14.90, with a promise that 60% of their fares will be £30 or less. You only see the maximum £69 fare if cheap fares haven't been loaded yet (too far ahead) or if all reservable seats are sold out. These cheap fares - and the thousands of extra seats capacity Lumo brings to the London-Edinburgh route - are aimed squarely at the airlines on the UK's busiest domestic air route. As you'll see in the video, the only thing lo-cost about Lumo is the price, it's a really swish train! And yes after 4.5h in those seats both ways I can confirm they're comfy! For times, fares and how to buy tickets see www.seat61.com/london-to-edinburgh-by-train.htm
How would you go about changing a ticket? I've emailed and it's taking a long time to get a response, and the prices are going up (well past £30). I've put 25-30 railcard instead of 16-25 (same discount and options next to each other on website)
I regularly travel Newcastle to London and my next few journeys will be with Lumo so it’s good to see the trains. And it’s great to see that someone is taking notice of the feedback with regards to the ironing board seats of the other Class 800s
Just wanted to say thanks. I'm a Brit living in Austria. And I always flew to the 'island' to visit family and friends. It became boring, like getting on a bus to go to work everyday. So I drove over even worse. Then (This is why I'm saying thank you) I watched your item Vienna to London by train. A whole NEW Travel Adventure has now (once the pandemic is out of the way) opened up. Excellent item on the Lumo service, as are all your films. Thanks again.
This time MUST already compete with the flying alternative of getting out to an airport from city centre, checking in, security, flight, landing, bag recovery, journey to city centre.
The time comparison has already been done by Dylan's Travel Reports. It was virtually the same time. The plane was 15 min quicker. But the train was more comfortable and more eco-friendly.
@@ianburnett1980 yep the train is simple and quick to get on then chill for 4.5hours, plane is shuffling place to place for hours, quick flight and more shuffling, changes etc etc. No brainer.
Yep, simply add £x million for a cab fare into the city, an overnight hotel stay perhaps? Some food, passable if you live in Euston, not a lot of good if you live elsewhere.
@@johnwood1948 Why do you need a cab or hotel stay? Most people can get to central London easier than they can an airport. I can get from where I live i Kent to St. Pancras in a single 1 hour train ride. To get get to an airport would involve a far more convoluted journey, And where does Euston come into it?
Similar concept to FLIX trains in Germany but using much better stock. I wish them every success and hope that they can carve out a profitable segment in the market.
Tickets with lumo cost like £80 sometimes, you would never pay that much for a FlixTrain in Germany. I wouldn't see why this stock is better, what do you think is better?
@@BJHolloway1 Yes, In fact I have traveled with them. They were clean and modern. There was fast WiFi available, with free movies and TV Shows. There was a lot of space for Big Bags and Bikes. The only thing I would complain about maybe was the legroom, but other than that, a perfect experienece. It was noticable though that the carriges were older, since it was a little bit loud and you could open the windows which isn't the norm today.
Thank you for showing us the new train service, the Lumo train in and out is cool. I especially enjoyed the ride, your editing was spot-on. The view of your country side was absolutely stunning.
It's a fantastic travel . Lumo is like our Shinkans inJapan. And everything had changed. England had inovated bigger than I sutadied in your countory. I would like to try to visit again, surely.
I hope a reasonably priced operator starts on the WCML from London to Edinburgh and Glasgow. The train fares from Milton Keynes to Edinburgh are ridiculous when compared to EasyJet prices from Luton to Edinburgh. Surely in these climate conscious times a train fare should be able to favourably compete with an airline ticket, not to be double the price or more, which is the case at the moment.
I am surprised that Lumo was granted a license on such a busy route as the ECML when Grand Central was refused a license to run from London to Cardiff. Lumo will undoubtedly take custom from LNER but Grand Central were refused permission on the Cardiff London route as it would remove revenue from GWR. Perhaps we are now seeing a greater freeing up of opportunities to open access operators under Great British Railways? John
My understanding of the situation is that they were granted a license as Lumo is expected to bring new customers onto the railways, taking them from the domestic air travel sector rather than LNER
Blue his train. With a blue little window And a blue seat. And everything is blue for him And himself and everybody around Cause he ain't got nobody to listen to I'm blue Da ba dee da ba di Da ba dee da ba di Da ba dee da ba di Da ba dee da ba di Da ba dee da ba di Da ba dee da ba di Da ba dee da ba di I'm blue
Did not know about LUMO. I'm here in Texas, where they're finally breaking ground on the DASH high-speed rail between Dallas and Houston. 20 years in the making. Thank you. JF
Those seats look very comfy indeed. It's the small extra touches that can make a big difference in a travel experience. I live in Liverpool though and so the likelihood of me using Lumo is pretty small. It would nice to see a budget intercity rail service on the WCML sometime in the near future if it's possible. Hopefully the next attempt at it won't get bludgeoned by another pandemic!
On the flip side, you have Avanti West Coast, which is a royal pain in the wallet, to get anywhere near, if you’re east based. I think Tamworth, is the first AWC served station, that an easterner can get to. I need to test if CrossCountry are as horribly priced on their smaller trains down there, as their actual Newcastle - Bristol / Derby / Plymouth / Penzance country crosser.
Que belleza cuanto esmero ingenieria maravilloso viajar en tren es soñado y viendo el mar sin palabras felicitaciones por la inauguracion gracias Sonia Guerrerodesde Argentina💝💝💝🙋🙋🙋
Nice blue train on the East coast. I have managed to grab a promo ticket for November, looking forward to it. Hope the competition will bring down the LNER prices too.
Great video - looks like some proper competition to the airlines which is no bad thing. If they can keep their prices that low, it may mean that LNER will be forced to cut some of their very high prices. As it stands, if I had to go to Scotland, I’d fly as it’s that much cheaper generally. Love the blue of the trains too
Wow when I was seeing someone in Edinburgh I flew once with Easyjet (£75) and once on the train (can't remember ticket price) . Well whenever I m going up there it's LUMO all the way. At last an operator offering a reasonably priced service . Wouldn't it be great if others followed ? I must say tho that the seats dont look too comfy to me but everyone says different so I guess I ll go try them out.
Geez. So many negative comments. You Brits are spoilt for trains and decent ones at that. Be thankful. Now I see where the term Winging Pom comes from. Sheesh.. Try train travel in Australia if you want next to zero destinations and limited schedules with eye watering pricing.
UK prices are generally far higher than Australia especially over similar distances. But the UK has far nicer trains and more frequent trains. Although Queensland Rail does on board food generally better than in the UK
@Flaming Hedgehog I am not sure we do whinge more than anyone else. However a lot of the narky comments on here have a hidden agenda that you may or may not be aware of. In so much as a lot want to return to the nationalised days of BR so the new intercity trains will never be as good as the HSTs, the seats are always way too hard and the prices are too high. If the prices were a few quid cheaper in the good old days it was because you were in a ancient and smelly bone shaker where you were happy it actually made it to the destination. Saying that it may not have travelled at all because the unions had decided to hold another ballot on the length of the tea breaks and they were all out on strike.
Agreed. The amount of brain damage in this comment section, is proof of that... As to your trains, Well, the armour on those trains, to keep all the wild shite from mauling it to death, must be expensive.
The reason is that to be given permission to operate the route, it may not compete with LNER which stops at York, but rather only with low cost airlines.
@@afcgeo882 Can you really believe you are saying that? this isn't Communist China is it? What the hell is competition FOR for God's sake if not to improve service? They SHOULD by trying to "poach" LNER's service.
@@johnwood1948 I’m telling you a simple fact. The railways in the UK are government-owned, so this “competition” you speak of… it doesn’t exist. The government sets rules for all concessions. And no, competition doesn’t always exist for improved services. In this case, it exists to add capacity, increase government revenues, and provide less expensive fares, hopefully.
Amazing Beautiful Journey Man,👍🏻I am train lover too, but poor One 😂you People are so Lucky indeed 👍🏻this is all possible because you all are so loyal to your country 👍🏻& it's a blessing, God Bless You More Amen. Thanks for the video Sir. Sohail Karachi.
Good news about the comfort of the seats. Most other reviews of class 800/801/ etc have said they were appalling. (Esp on GWR, my home turf). So there is hope if silly companies refurbish. Nice video, thanks.
Love the deep blue color The no frills approach is great.. And you pay for your meal through the app. Cheap doesn't have to be nasty, and I'm just waiting for a snooty journalist to snark at it, only to be ratioed. 1 class across is great cuz honestly it doesn't make a difference on a 4 hour journey and every review claims that seats are good design and comfortable. It will allow more people to travel across who otherwise would have avoided the trip. If this continue, it might become a part of local culture, with people who may use it several times a month Trains make sense in Europe because the distance between cities isn't that high, and you'll end up spending more time to reach the airport than actually flying ✈. They should include the seat selection on the app though
Lovely video - thank you for posting. I won't ever use this service though because I'm taller than average and I find my shoulders are about where the normal headrest is, so this seat design would be highly uncomfortable.
I'm 6'2" and have a tall upper body. Eurostar's old seat headrests used to catch me under the shoulders, so I know what you mean. These were absolutely fine in that respect. And unlike GWR seats, they passed the comfort test for 4.5 hours. Heck, I was in them for 9 hours yesterday with an hour break!
@@seat61 That's good to know: I'm about the same size and didn't fancy a trip up to Edinburgh on an ironing board! This sounds like a more comfortable alternative.
@@seat61 Does any train operator now understand the concept of first class? If you would travel on an aeroplane in first class for 5 hours and be offered either crisps or a sandwich what would you think of them? I’m travelling to Penzance next week from Paddington, on the 1204. You might think that train but would have some form of catering? It doesn’t. The only train that does is the 1304 to Plymouth. For a country that invented the railways (but not of course the pullman) it’s a bit of a disgrace. Lumo it’s obviously not intending to try things any differently.
I am slow catching up with this. The train seemed pretty empty and the background sound seemed to indicate a bit of a jolly. Was this an excursion for media types?
The test will be how well the trains are maintained and cleaned when in constant use not when new. But what would be really revolutionary is a nationalised train service, with good value, publicly subsidised tickets on all services that reflects and understanding of how important a decent, affordable train service is to the country.
@msee - I do remember those wonderfully well maintained and spotlessly clean BR trains of the 70, 80 & 90s let’s get back to those halcyon days. Can we also add industrial action by RMT on a regular basis to bring whole network to total standstill to truely return to the good old days.
@@neilboulton9813 Typical response. The railways back then were deliberately underfunded and people like you seem to forget that the standard of living enjoyed by ordinary working people were achieved by the result of industrial action by unions over time. But I guess you would rather public subsidies are used to support an expensive system that guarantees dividends and profits for private companies.
@msee ha ha I am afraid you were either not around or you have very short and selective memory. The only things the unions in those days managed to do was make themselves internationally uncompetitive and effectively put themselves on the economic scrap heap. I would suggest you read up on the self imposed decline in the British ship industry and point out the BRITISH owned car industry. The only reason the railways survived was because they were a monopoly and were not subject to being completely uncompetitive with the rest of the developed world.
@@neilboulton9813 The unions didn't make English industry uncompetitive. it became uncompetitive because of bad management and a reliance on the captive markets of it's crumbing empire. If the management of English industry was as enlightened as that in Europe or worker participation was encouraged and valued this class ridden country would not be in the mess that it is in now.
This looks outrageously classy! So weird to see kgx with only iets and electrostars, but im due to go up scotty next month, ive got my outgoing booked with my first time due to be on an lner, but if i could get on this coming back, that would really make my trip!
Looks really promising but I really wish it had a stop in Doncaster. LNER's fast Edinburgh trains have their first stop out of London in York and CrossCountry's Edinburgh Services run via Leeds. And both York and Leeds also have TransPennine services too. A stop in Doncaster to provide better connectivity between South Yorkshire, North Lincolnshire, Humberside and Scotland seems like it should be a no brainer to me.
If they stopped at Doncaster and abstracted revenue from LNER, unconnected with their stated mission to compete with airlines between London, Newcastle & Edinburgh, they would fail the vital 'Not primarily abstractive' test and be denied permission to operate by the ORR. Which is also why the don't call at Peterborough York or anywhere else - except the air-connected cities and Morpeth, which LNER don't serve so that's OK.
@@seat61 Oh, don't get me wrong, I get the logic on paper. Just can't help but think that in practice the idea that it's taking revenue from another company/companies when they're not providing as good a quality or as convenient a service is a bit disingenuous. Even if there was a stipulation of pick up only at Doncaster northbound and drop off only southbound to avoid taking the Doncaster-London revenue (which is already well served, albeit by a poorer quality product by the looks of it) that could make a difference. Equally though I think in general that path allocation and timetable planning needs a major shake up. With limited paths I can't help but think we need to move away from allowing 5 car trains to run on the mainlines and insist that where 5 car sets are used they're used in multiple and split en route if necessary to create maximum capacity from the paths available, though that's a different matter entirely.
@@johnwood1948 In the British model, competition happens when the franchise is let (government gets best value price), not at the public-facing stage. Open-access competition is allowed, but under conditions - it must add something extra, like linking London and Hull, or Morpeth, or aimed at airlines, rather than taking existing revenue from a government-let contract.
Good Lord, no! Have you *seen* the type of human that crawls around Doncaster? The rest of the country would like to *not* have all of their valuables nicked, THANK YOU.🤮👎🏻🖕
Very nice - for Londoners wanting a cheap trip to Edinburgh. Not a lot of use for people in all those places it whizzes through. And of course, this is not a new operator, just a rebrand of one of the existing big boys. Train itself looks fine though - decent seats a big improvement.
The whole idea of an express train is that it doesn't stop in a lot of places. The local places are served by local trains. They'll take you to a major station where you can catch the express train.
The idea here is surely to capture the Newcastle and Edinburgh air traveller market. Hopefully they can get some other paths to support that concept more comprehensively.
@@BJHolloway1 Yes, you're probably right. But they might capture even more with a few more stops. Hopefully that will follow - but it seems rather commercially cynical (if sensible - is there a difference?) - just cherry pick the most profitable services. Whatever happened to a national public service - let alone levelling up?
@@roadie3124 The whole idea of an "express" train is that, with no stops, it travels at high speed. I make the average speed a little under 80 mph. It's 2021, not 1951.
And how is that bad for 801s and 802s? Haveing Diesel engines let’s them go the places that is not electrified yet like up to Aberdeen and Inverness or the west of England to Swansea, Bristol, Exeter, Plymouth and penzance
@@Scottish_Transport_Explorer LUMO only go to Edinburgh no where else !! First also do HULL ONLY ! Trains those too are just electric ones !! Diesel is a filthy fuel be gone soon !!!! Parts of the UK need electrifying soon as still but it’s gonna cost the taxpayers money
I like how the England/Scotland border has a sign to let you know you're entering Scotland, unlike here in the USA, when Amtrak crosses different states. Only on the highway do we have such signs. Great video. New subscriber!
Of course it would - but permission to operate would then be DENIED! Remember that all open access operators have to pass the 'Not primarily abstractive' test'. Lumo is not allowed to stop at York to hoover up LNER's existing revenue (Lumo is going after airline passengers, and where are the Ryanair passengers at York?), Morpeth was insisted on by ORR as LNER don't call there, this stop is therefore something new, and hey presto, approval granted!
I’d have to check, but I think Morpeth is one of Northumberland’s largest towns, where everyone *isn’t* going to try and mug you (looking at you, Ashington!),
Lumo fares start at £14.90, with a promise that 60% of their fares will be £30 or less. You only see the maximum £69 fare if cheap fares haven't been loaded yet (too far ahead) or if all reservable seats are sold out. These cheap fares - and the thousands of extra seats capacity Lumo brings to the London-Edinburgh route - are aimed squarely at the airlines on the UK's busiest domestic air route. As you'll see in the video, the only thing lo-cost about Lumo is the price, it's a really swish train! And yes after 4.5h in those seats both ways I can confirm they're comfy! For times, fares and how to buy tickets see www.seat61.com/london-to-edinburgh-by-train.htm
Very backward thinking with the intermediate stop choice
@@transportmanchester3299 Why?
Gona check right now!
How would you go about changing a ticket? I've emailed and it's taking a long time to get a response, and the prices are going up (well past £30). I've put 25-30 railcard instead of 16-25 (same discount and options next to each other on website)
@@krishanpatel7914 go to kings cross or any station it serves and get it physically
ahhh nothing like a Man in Seat 61 video with Geoff Marshall in the background
I regularly travel Newcastle to London and my next few journeys will be with Lumo so it’s good to see the trains. And it’s great to see that someone is taking notice of the feedback with regards to the ironing board seats of the other Class 800s
❤ UK from Malaysia. God bless UK.
Just wanted to say thanks. I'm a Brit living in Austria. And I always flew to the 'island' to visit family and friends. It became boring, like getting on a bus to go to work everyday. So I drove over even worse. Then (This is why I'm saying thank you) I watched your item Vienna to London by train. A whole NEW Travel Adventure has now (once the pandemic is out of the way) opened up. Excellent item on the Lumo service, as are all your films. Thanks again.
This time MUST already compete with the flying alternative of getting out to an airport from city centre, checking in, security, flight, landing, bag recovery, journey to city centre.
The time comparison has already been done by Dylan's Travel Reports.
It was virtually the same time. The plane was 15 min quicker. But the train was more comfortable and more eco-friendly.
@@ianburnett1980 yep the train is simple and quick to get on then chill for 4.5hours, plane is shuffling place to place for hours, quick flight and more shuffling, changes etc etc. No brainer.
Yep, simply add £x million for a cab fare into the city, an overnight hotel stay perhaps? Some food, passable if you live in Euston, not a lot of good if you live elsewhere.
@@johnwood1948 Why do you need a cab or hotel stay? Most people can get to central London easier than they can an airport. I can get from where I live i Kent to St. Pancras in a single 1 hour train ride. To get get to an airport would involve a far more convoluted journey, And where does Euston come into it?
I just did a 16 hour round trip from Edinburgh - London - Edinburgh on the national express coaches. *Never again!*
You won't have to now! ;0)
You could have just about flown to JAPAN in that amount of time.
The local train? Why dude?
Similar concept to FLIX trains in Germany but using much better stock. I wish them every success and hope that they can carve out a profitable segment in the market.
Tickets with lumo cost like £80 sometimes, you would never pay that much for a FlixTrain in Germany.
I wouldn't see why this stock is better, what do you think is better?
@@mstrmren Have you seen the stock used by FLIX trains - I think not
@@BJHolloway1 Yes, In fact I have traveled with them. They were clean and modern. There was fast WiFi available, with free movies and TV Shows. There was a lot of space for Big Bags and Bikes. The only thing I would complain about maybe was the legroom, but other than that, a perfect experienece.
It was noticable though that the carriges were older, since it was a little bit loud and you could open the windows which isn't the norm today.
@@mstrmren
Windows that open also indicate lower top speed.
@@Jakob_DK No. At the time they were build that was a standard feature, and FlixTrain operates at exactly the same speed a lumo Trains.
I can’t believe it I was there last month and already missed the beautiful country you have 🇬🇧
Thank you for showing us the new train service, the Lumo train in and out is cool. I especially enjoyed the ride, your editing was spot-on. The view of your country side was absolutely stunning.
Very nicely done. You brought us along and let us enjoy the ride on our terms with subtitles if we wish instead of BLA BLA BLA.
Thank you.
Thank you for the video and the beautiful scenery during the trip 😀. Hope to travel on Lumo one day!
It's a fantastic travel . Lumo is like our Shinkans inJapan. And everything had
changed. England had inovated bigger than
I sutadied in your countory. I would like to
try to visit again, surely.
I hope a reasonably priced operator starts on the WCML from London to Edinburgh and Glasgow. The train fares from Milton Keynes to Edinburgh are ridiculous when compared to EasyJet prices from Luton to Edinburgh. Surely in these climate conscious times a train fare should be able to favourably compete with an airline ticket, not to be double the price or more, which is the case at the moment.
Can anyone else hear geoff marshal in the background?
yeah :-)
Those seats look to be a massive improvement on the LNER ironing boards…🤔
Look a bit like Greater Anglia's new seats
Excellent trip. Nice coverage. Beautiful country sides and nicely highlighted prominence of places. Wish more interior of train is covered.
Thank you for a very nice video. I have followed your channel for years. Always worth watching.
I am surprised that Lumo was granted a license on such a busy route as the ECML when Grand Central was refused a license to run from London to Cardiff. Lumo will undoubtedly take custom from LNER but Grand Central were refused permission on the Cardiff London route as it would remove revenue from GWR. Perhaps we are now seeing a greater freeing up of opportunities to open access operators under Great British Railways? John
My understanding of the situation is that they were granted a license as Lumo is expected to bring new customers onto the railways, taking them from the domestic air travel sector rather than LNER
Blue his train.
With a blue little window
And a blue seat.
And everything is blue for him
And himself and everybody around
Cause he ain't got nobody to listen to
I'm blue
Da ba dee da ba di
Da ba dee da ba di
Da ba dee da ba di
Da ba dee da ba di
Da ba dee da ba di
Da ba dee da ba di
Da ba dee da ba di
I'm blue
Did not know about LUMO. I'm here in Texas, where they're finally breaking ground on the DASH high-speed rail between Dallas and Houston. 20 years in the making. Thank you. JF
Is that Geoff at 11:00?
Edit: It's definitely Geoff! You can see him at 11:35 being interviewed.
Stunning livery on Lumo’s
Sorry, but I ain’t a fan of it.
@@trainlover16 Fair enough each to there own .
Nice colour but a bit basic in my opinion, I’m impressed by the seats at first glance though
I agree it is a very fetching blue livery with a hark to the past. It is also distinct from both the SE Javelins and Hull trains 800 class.
Passengers aren't serenaded by singer-songwriter Tom Walker everyday. Lucky them.
Those seats look very comfy indeed. It's the small extra touches that can make a big difference in a travel experience.
I live in Liverpool though and so the likelihood of me using Lumo is pretty small. It would nice to see a budget intercity rail service on the WCML sometime in the near future if it's possible.
Hopefully the next attempt at it won't get bludgeoned by another pandemic!
On the flip side, you have Avanti West Coast, which is a royal pain in the wallet, to get anywhere near, if you’re east based. I think Tamworth, is the first AWC served station, that an easterner can get to. I need to test if CrossCountry are as horribly priced on their smaller trains down there, as their actual Newcastle - Bristol / Derby / Plymouth / Penzance country crosser.
Great Vlog and Great Trip from London to Edinburgh with Lumo. I'm looking forward to use this train! :D
10:30 Redhouse Castle near Longniddry, East Lothian in case anyone was wondering
Thank you for that: I did wonder what and where it was!
6:17 Now that is a voice sounds very familiar!!
It's Geoff Marshall
Que belleza cuanto esmero ingenieria maravilloso viajar en tren es soñado y viendo el mar sin palabras felicitaciones por la inauguracion gracias Sonia Guerrerodesde Argentina💝💝💝🙋🙋🙋
Great video, thanks!
@6:20 sounded like Geoff Marshall on the background. I watch too many of these videos and I'm not even in the UK.
At 11:00 too possibly
Thanks for the ride nice train.
Nice coverage
6:17 that must be Geiff Marshall! Maybe he will make a video about this train!
It was and he will, he's on Lumo again on Monday. He was sat right behind me.
@@seat61 Nice! Great video btw!
of course Geoff was there - its a free ticket god bless
@@seat61 At 4.50 you can hear him clearly discussing is arrangements in Edinburgh!
I didn't miss the England Scotland border because the video buffered exactly at that moment.
I freeze-framed it for you!
@@seat61 yes I saw that. But my video was buffering for about 30 seconds anyway. 🤣
真的非常謝謝您的火車資訊影片分享，對於旅遊安排幫助很大！👍👍👍
Nice blue train on the East coast. I have managed to grab a promo ticket for November, looking forward to it. Hope the competition will bring down the LNER prices too.
Dream 🚆 train
Simply amazing and lovely
very scenic
At 7:37. the KEEP of the new castle built in 1089
I wanna go back to this place.. It’s been ages 😭😭😭😭😭😭
An excellent video, well edited, Thanks!
Great video - looks like some proper competition to the airlines which is no bad thing. If they can keep their prices that low, it may mean that LNER will be forced to cut some of their very high prices. As it stands, if I had to go to Scotland, I’d fly as it’s that much cheaper generally.
Love the blue of the trains too
It’s going to take more than 2 trains a day to have effective competition. One trains gets cancelled, what then? Will LNER accept tickets?
@@Wacky_Races - looking at it, it’s increasing to 5 trains a day by may next year which may then start to make a difference
I used to take the Grand Central's £15 ride to London that was fantastic too, comfortable...love to try this LUMO once I'm back in the UK
Wow when I was seeing someone in Edinburgh I flew once with Easyjet (£75) and once on the train (can't remember ticket price) . Well whenever I m going up there it's LUMO all the way. At last an operator offering a reasonably priced service . Wouldn't it be great if others followed ? I must say tho that the seats dont look too comfy to me but everyone says different so I guess I ll go try them out.
Great stuff.
I wish they did this to Cornwall. GWR has eye-watering pricing 🤔
Geez. So many negative comments. You Brits are spoilt for trains and decent ones at that. Be thankful.
Now I see where the term Winging Pom comes from. Sheesh..
Try train travel in Australia if you want next to zero destinations and limited schedules with eye watering pricing.
TIL that the phrase “whinging pom” exist, thanks bud
Take planes the cities in Australia are legit far unlike the US that makes excuses. Australia should build HSR or give up on XPT nonsense
UK prices are generally far higher than Australia especially over similar distances. But the UK has far nicer trains and more frequent trains. Although Queensland Rail does on board food generally better than in the UK
@Flaming Hedgehog I am not sure we do whinge more than anyone else. However a lot of the narky comments on here have a hidden agenda that you may or may not be aware of. In so much as a lot want to return to the nationalised days of BR so the new intercity trains will never be as good as the HSTs, the seats are always way too hard and the prices are too high. If the prices were a few quid cheaper in the good old days it was because you were in a ancient and smelly bone shaker where you were happy it actually made it to the destination. Saying that it may not have travelled at all because the unions had decided to hold another ballot on the length of the tea breaks and they were all out on strike.
Agreed. The amount of brain damage in this comment section, is proof of that... As to your trains, Well, the armour on those trains, to keep all the wild shite from mauling it to death, must be expensive.
What is the reason for stopping at Morpeth considering it's a small market town. Now York I could understand.
The reason is that to be given permission to operate the route, it may not compete with LNER which stops at York, but rather only with low cost airlines.
@@afcgeo882 Can you really believe you are saying that? this isn't Communist China is it? What the hell is competition FOR for God's sake if not to improve service? They SHOULD by trying to "poach" LNER's service.
@@johnwood1948 I’m telling you a simple fact. The railways in the UK are government-owned, so this “competition” you speak of… it doesn’t exist. The government sets rules for all concessions. And no, competition doesn’t always exist for improved services. In this case, it exists to add capacity, increase government revenues, and provide less expensive fares, hopefully.
I heard geoff marshalls laugh in the back
I'm enjoying your videos, glad I found you, or should I say thanks to RUclips! :-)
Great video, hope to ride this one day
Is that Geoff Marshall I can hear in the background?
4:40 sure sounds like it
Amazing Beautiful Journey Man,👍🏻I am train lover too, but poor One 😂you People are so Lucky indeed 👍🏻this is all possible because you all are so loyal to your country 👍🏻& it's a blessing, God Bless You More Amen. Thanks for the video Sir. Sohail Karachi.
Nice ~
I wonder how many train companies cover the London-Edinburgh route.
Thank you.
Always good information from THE MAN in seat 61.
Nice new trains, decent prices, just a shame our speed limits keep the journey time over four hours.
Its the blue that gets me also!
Like the hull trains iet😍😍😍
Nice vid. Let’s see how long it lasts with the cheap fares
Excellent. Beautiful looking train. Love to do that train journey in the springtime. 👍😊
Good news about the comfort of the seats. Most other reviews of class 800/801/ etc have said they were appalling. (Esp on GWR, my home turf). So there is hope if silly companies refurbish.
Nice video, thanks.
How are they silly?
@@Bungle2010 They’re silly for installing hard plastic seats with no cushioning, thinking no one would feel it.
Love the deep blue color
The no frills approach is great.. And you pay for your meal through the app.
Cheap doesn't have to be nasty, and I'm just waiting for a snooty journalist to snark at it, only to be ratioed.
1 class across is great cuz honestly it doesn't make a difference on a 4 hour journey and every review claims that seats are good design and comfortable.
It will allow more people to travel across who otherwise would have avoided the trip.
If this continue, it might become a part of local culture, with people who may use it several times a month
Trains make sense in Europe because the distance between cities isn't that high, and you'll end up spending more time to reach the airport than actually flying ✈.
They should include the seat selection on the app though
Nice video! Will consider this option if I have the chance to travel from London to Edinburgh.
In finnish lumo means "spell" or "under a spell". But in positive way.
Like "rakkaus lumoaa" = "love is a spell".
Why doesn't the train use the Darlington avoiding lines? Doesn't make sense to me
Very nice train video💛
Thanks for the train ride.I enjoyed the scenery. NEW SUBSCRIBER HERE
I appreciate the good info. A train with only one class of service is not for me.
Excellent video , i like it
have a nice day 👍
greetings from Indonesia !!
OuiGo, Izy, Avlo, now Lumo. Train travel must be accessible to toiling masses.
It’s cheap enough anyways
Lovely video - thank you for posting. I won't ever use this service though because I'm taller than average and I find my shoulders are about where the normal headrest is, so this seat design would be highly uncomfortable.
I'm 6'2" and have a tall upper body. Eurostar's old seat headrests used to catch me under the shoulders, so I know what you mean. These were absolutely fine in that respect. And unlike GWR seats, they passed the comfort test for 4.5 hours. Heck, I was in them for 9 hours yesterday with an hour break!
@@seat61 That's good to know: I'm about the same size and didn't fancy a trip up to Edinburgh on an ironing board! This sounds like a more comfortable alternative.
@@travelbuzz1 I was on those seats for 9 hours with an hour break yesterday, I reckon that;'s a pretty thorough test!
@@seat61
Does any train operator now understand the concept of first class? If you would travel on an aeroplane in first class for 5 hours and be offered either crisps or a sandwich what would you think of them? I’m travelling to Penzance next week from Paddington, on the 1204. You might think that train but would have some form of catering? It doesn’t.
The only train that does is the 1304 to Plymouth. For a country that invented the railways (but not of course the pullman) it’s a bit of a disgrace. Lumo it’s obviously not intending to try things any differently.
Been there, done that, a disgrace, as you say.
I am slow catching up with this. The train seemed pretty empty and the background sound seemed to indicate a bit of a jolly. Was this an excursion for media types?
So beautiful
Big fan of your videos. Watching every videos for past 4 years from #SriLanka 🇱🇰 😍❤️
Beautiful scenery of the northern coastline. Looks fantastic value
Beautiful station 😍😍😍
You skipped over passing Newark-on-Trent, a fine town, last redoubt of the Royalists in the Civil War, and full of interesting architecture.
And some massive barbel in river Trent especially on Bobs island in the middle of Newark.
Thanks for the scenic trip!
I was expecting this video to be more about the train and not about fleeting landscapes.
The test will be how well the trains are maintained and cleaned when in constant use not when new. But what would be really revolutionary is a nationalised train service, with good value, publicly subsidised tickets on all services that reflects and understanding of how important a decent, affordable train service is to the country.
@msee - I do remember those wonderfully well maintained and spotlessly clean BR trains of the 70, 80 & 90s let’s get back to those halcyon days. Can we also add industrial action by RMT on a regular basis to bring whole network to total standstill to truely return to the good old days.
@@neilboulton9813 Typical response. The railways back then were deliberately underfunded and people like you seem to forget that the standard of living enjoyed by ordinary working people were achieved by the result of industrial action by unions over time. But I guess you would rather public subsidies are used to support an expensive system that guarantees dividends and profits for private companies.
Did you ever try a nationalised railway in the UK? I doubt it you weren't born !!
@msee ha ha I am afraid you were either not around or you have very short and selective memory. The only things the unions in those days managed to do was make themselves internationally uncompetitive and effectively put themselves on the economic scrap heap. I would suggest you read up on the self imposed decline in the British ship industry and point out the BRITISH owned car industry. The only reason the railways survived was because they were a monopoly and were not subject to being completely uncompetitive with the rest of the developed world.
@@neilboulton9813 The unions didn't make English industry uncompetitive. it became uncompetitive because of bad management and a reliance on the captive markets of it's crumbing empire. If the management of English industry was as enlightened as that in Europe or worker participation was encouraged and valued this class ridden country would not be in the mess that it is in now.
Excellent. Beautiful looking train ! New subs.👍👍
This looks outrageously classy!
So weird to see kgx with only iets and electrostars, but im due to go up scotty next month, ive got my outgoing booked with my first time due to be on an lner, but if i could get on this coming back, that would really make my trip!
Wow 😲🤩😍 mind blowing boss 😍 Love from India🇮🇳
At 7:37 , The KEEP of the "new castle", built in 1080 AD
Great video !!
Thank you for this informative video 📹 👍 👏
Looks really promising but I really wish it had a stop in Doncaster. LNER's fast Edinburgh trains have their first stop out of London in York and CrossCountry's Edinburgh Services run via Leeds. And both York and Leeds also have TransPennine services too.
A stop in Doncaster to provide better connectivity between South Yorkshire, North Lincolnshire, Humberside and Scotland seems like it should be a no brainer to me.
If they stopped at Doncaster and abstracted revenue from LNER, unconnected with their stated mission to compete with airlines between London, Newcastle & Edinburgh, they would fail the vital 'Not primarily abstractive' test and be denied permission to operate by the ORR. Which is also why the don't call at Peterborough York or anywhere else - except the air-connected cities and Morpeth, which LNER don't serve so that's OK.
@@seat61 Oh, don't get me wrong, I get the logic on paper. Just can't help but think that in practice the idea that it's taking revenue from another company/companies when they're not providing as good a quality or as convenient a service is a bit disingenuous.
Even if there was a stipulation of pick up only at Doncaster northbound and drop off only southbound to avoid taking the Doncaster-London revenue (which is already well served, albeit by a poorer quality product by the looks of it) that could make a difference.
Equally though I think in general that path allocation and timetable planning needs a major shake up. With limited paths I can't help but think we need to move away from allowing 5 car trains to run on the mainlines and insist that where 5 car sets are used they're used in multiple and split en route if necessary to create maximum capacity from the paths available, though that's a different matter entirely.
@@seat61 So we do not allow competition on our network? If not, what the hell was the point of privatizing the damn thing in the first place?
@@johnwood1948 In the British model, competition happens when the franchise is let (government gets best value price), not at the public-facing stage. Open-access competition is allowed, but under conditions - it must add something extra, like linking London and Hull, or Morpeth, or aimed at airlines, rather than taking existing revenue from a government-let contract.
Good Lord, no! Have you *seen* the type of human that crawls around Doncaster? The rest of the country would like to *not* have all of their valuables nicked, THANK YOU.🤮👎🏻🖕
Pretty interesting video. Would have liked to have seen more of the on-board facilities. Thank you!
What facilities? The only facility not shown is the toilet!
Beautiful Video !
We shall expect a new geoff marshall vid hope he will be on this and capture mark agian
Sounds like Geoff at about 11:02.....
@@MichaelGGarry really does ngl
@@MichaelGGarry You can see him at 11:38 on the platform. With the dark shirt, grey t shirt, jeans and blue trainers. With a rucksack on his back
@@MichaelGGarry and 6:17
He was sat behind me - and yes, he'll be making a video on the first public Lumo train on Monday, so check out his channel after that!
Very nice - for Londoners wanting a cheap trip to Edinburgh. Not a lot of use for people in all those places it whizzes through. And of course, this is not a new operator, just a rebrand of one of the existing big boys. Train itself looks fine though - decent seats a big improvement.
The whole idea of an express train is that it doesn't stop in a lot of places. The local places are served by local trains. They'll take you to a major station where you can catch the express train.
The idea here is surely to capture the Newcastle and Edinburgh air traveller market. Hopefully they can get some other paths to support that concept more comprehensively.
@@roadie3124 Indeed so. But so much for the low fares - mostly benefit those who already live in the wealthiest part of the country.
@@BJHolloway1 Yes, you're probably right. But they might capture even more with a few more stops. Hopefully that will follow - but it seems rather commercially cynical (if sensible - is there a difference?) - just cherry pick the most profitable services. Whatever happened to a national public service - let alone levelling up?
@@roadie3124 The whole idea of an "express" train is that, with no stops, it travels at high speed. I make the average speed a little under 80 mph. It's 2021, not 1951.
One detail I noticed is how the seat backs have areas engraved at the sides for more leg space
This HITACHI IS ELECTRIC ONLY ! Unlike it’s bigger cousins 800/1/2 no Diesel engines … looks amazing can’t wait congrats FIRST GROUP
And how is that bad for 801s and 802s? Haveing Diesel engines let’s them go the places that is not electrified yet like up to Aberdeen and Inverness or the west of England to Swansea, Bristol, Exeter, Plymouth and penzance
@@Scottish_Transport_Explorer LUMO only go to Edinburgh no where else !! First also do HULL ONLY ! Trains those too are just electric ones !! Diesel is a filthy fuel be gone soon !!!! Parts of the UK need electrifying soon as still but it’s gonna cost the taxpayers money
@@Scottish_Transport_Explorer don’t forget the 807/810 on EMR SOON those are all
Electric too
@@Scottish_Transport_Explorer : Hmm. Swansea is not in the West of England!
@@Downtonabbie EMR's trains are definitely not gonna be solely electric- More than half the line they'll be used on isn't electrified
Thanks for the video. Looks great although I'm a little leary of the sizable gap between the train and platform in Edinburgh.
I like how the England/Scotland border has a sign to let you know you're entering Scotland, unlike here in the USA, when Amtrak crosses different states. Only on the highway do we have such signs. Great video. New subscriber!
We have signs telling us we’re leaving villages! Even asking us to come back!
Have you considered that England and Scotland are actually different countries and not just states of one country?
Beautiful video
Curious, why a stop at Morpeth? Would have thought a stop at York would be more lucrative.
Of course it would - but permission to operate would then be DENIED! Remember that all open access operators have to pass the 'Not primarily abstractive' test'. Lumo is not allowed to stop at York to hoover up LNER's existing revenue (Lumo is going after airline passengers, and where are the Ryanair passengers at York?), Morpeth was insisted on by ORR as LNER don't call there, this stop is therefore something new, and hey presto, approval granted!
@@seat61 thanks for the reply :)
It serves quite a large catchment area.
I’d have to check, but I think Morpeth is one of Northumberland’s largest towns, where everyone *isn’t* going to try and mug you (looking at you, Ashington!),
Very inventive job titles they give people!
Very good video
beautiful movie!
You da man!