Occupy Oakland Riot - Ana Reports for The Young Turks
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- The Young Turks host Ana Kasparian speaks to protesters and business owners near city hall about a violent outburst at Occupy Oakland and the response from police.
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Thank you for showing this side of the news. I'm tired of the mainstream trying to portray the movement as violent. It's awesome to see that so many stand behind the positive message of the movement.
If you see one of these people, tear their mask off, take picture/video of their face, and send copies to the police. There are some reasons why you need the police, and this is one of them.
The peaceful protest was getting the REAL message across. It wouldn't surprise me if the violence was organised by the 1% to deflect that message. Violence always dilutes the real message behind protest.
Those aren't anarchists, they're vandals. It's a common mistake to label petty vandals as anarchists and it's disappointing when TYT does the same thing as all other major media. Anarchism is a political philosophy and true anarchists don't use violence to achieve their goals.
Property destruction is not violence, you shills. It's vandalism at best. People did it to hit the capitalist class where it hurts them the most. Their wallets.
Oh, and showing different perspectives does not mean showing opinions of different people who all share the same perspective. Nice fair and balanced reporting.
The night time is when these cowards come in and start all the bullshit! This is why we must shut them down!!
This is the exact same scene that unfolded in '99 at the WTO protests in Seattle. Why don't the lazy, cowardly cops arrest the people that are breaking windows and setting fires?? I guess I just answered my own question...
Agent provocateurs is what who those infiltrators were. Had a riot broken out, I'm sure people wouldn't have hesitated to burn the city down. The population easily outnumbers the police department. Also, if you look at some videos these AP thugs usually wore the same attire, communicated with each other, and had a pattern to their vandalism. Common folks are not stupid, general stores are not the 1%, it's the banks and city hall. Those were NOT attacked like these stores were.
Ya know, it wouldnt be a half bad idea if legitimate protesters started putting these individuals of a destructive nature under citizens arrest and handing them over to the cops.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was cops themselves, or people that infiltrated the movement.
@shraka others use it as an appeal to authority. I've read a bunch of their writing, Thomas Paine in particular. I'm appealing to what they said, which is why I know they would have, personally, pulled the american govn't into the street at shot them. It was a country born of revolution, and people seem to think that they did it the MLK way, and they certainly did not.
They aren't being "actively violently oppressing" because they aren't actually doing anything dangerous to the establishment.
Those are not 'anarchists', those are vandals. Anarchists don't actually have to destroy anything to be anarchists. Vandals do.
Those were plants hired to do that to discredit the movement. Paid by the very ones the protest is aimed at!
@Sun6Tzu I know. We owe our jobs to poor people. Poor people have created millions of jobs. We should confiscate the rich's properties and give them all to the poor people.
The gist is, people who live in Oakland who attack capitalism itself will be marginalized. The majority within the movement has declared who is and is not allowed to have a voice, and who is allowed to take action on behalf of their belief that capitalism and the State are the antithesis of freedom and love. The self-designated majority and official non-leaders control the movement, keep it toothless and ineffective, and disempower anyone who doesn't fit the dogma of pacifism and non-resistance.
Conspiracy theories aside, I heard it was a group of anarchists who took the opportunity to spread their own message while hidden behind OO. If that's true, then these particular anarchists are cowards. I know REAL anarchists who are very proud of who they are and while I don't support their political ideals I can at least respect that they stand up for what they believe in rather than try to disguise their intentions as the anarchists who hide behind OO are doing.
Funny how a internet show actually does a better job then every single news media.
I wouldn't be surprised if the young kids who were doing this sort of thing were brought in to do it, even paid to do it. It's so sad that this sort of thing could be used against an over all peaceful movement but the 1% is very scared, so expect more in other cities.
my friends were there last night and said protestors would chant "this is a peaceful protest" anytime they saw vandalism... what else can they do? you can't act like the police. so they do not represent the movement.
It's nice that the people who really support the movement, and who aren't there just to use it to anarchic ends, are trying to put things right.
This is ..."Violence for hire" to thwart the movement and give the Police the opportunity to bust some heads !
I am an anarchist because it is the only 'system' that conforms with my peaceful beliefs of the Non-Aggression principle. These were not anarchists. Stop trying to smear something that could be beautiful for your statist agenda.
The messages were good.
"Who are you protecting?"
"We're watching you too..."
@badpanda84 ??? I haven't seen one protester say they for the people doing this, let alone try to protect them. Mind sending me links to where you got that idea?
Problem is, Now the next generation is getting involved, Not the internet generation, but the little bastard generation whos parents didn't punish them for anything out of fear of going to jail.
There was a story the other day about OWS protests having raised thousands of dollars; it would probably help prove their good intentions to use some of that money to pay for repairs of the damaged property. Encourage each other to keep the protests peaceful and keep going, real change will come from them! :)
anger dose not come out of nothing , don't expect all those people to protest and not be angry , especially the young one
Sad that it looks like a few idiots / firebrands are allowed to destroy a good thing this easily.
Way to get both sides Ana....
One person or one group's ideology doesn't represent the 99%. This a movement of the masses and represents all the anti establishment...Closing down ports and banks peacefully is really much more destructive than breaking a window or writing graffiti and in that regard could be argued as being more effective. But everyone is entitled to their acts of rebellion, and no one should be excluded outside of those acting for the establishment. Lets use all our tools..
Sounds like hired thugs are being bussed in at 3am to raise hell and discredit the movement.
See, unfortunately the problem here is... was it really a group of anarchists? Or were they people paid to smear the occupy movements?
It's such a tragic sign of the times when you can't really understand why it was done.
Black Block is going to fuck the people trying to unfuck the completely fucked system.
Quote: Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
That's right, anarchists = smashing windows. Um, no, actually. The two have virtually nothing to do with one another. If this were a religious rally, they'd blame the "athiests".
"During the struggle, they will pull us down.
Please, let's use this chance to turn things around.
And tonight we can truly say
Together we're invincible."
Muse: Invincible.
compare the costs of repairing the damage w/ the cost of providing the police support which would have prevented it.
@agelessrocker You know the guy you are stealing that quote from did absoloutly NOTHING. (Besides make some noise that others reffered to as music)
This look like sabotage,.....from those who want this movement to go away.
Pretend to be a movement supporter,.....then do ALL THE DAMAGE YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO.
Cause division amongst the supporters and the viewing public,.....= success for the sabotagers.
...(whoops)
That's not the 1% of the rich people fucking up politics and not the 1% who are anarchists trying to mess with the Occupy movement.
IF the violence was caused by legitimate protesters and not planted instigators, property destruction is a form of activism, and it would be one thing if it were against Bank of America or Citi, but don't destroy the property of your supporters. That's just counterproductive.
@TheRepublicOfUngeria ...publicly funded elections to be instituted, but that is fine. I want my politicians as un-moneyed as possible. Also, fuck the electoral vote and do alternative vote, then the election will actually be competitive
It would be nice if Ana didnt confuse people by calling anarchists part of the movement. They arent, they dont call for the same message, they re anarchists.
The movement says its people, at GA it says its peaceful, anarchists come in and go against the will of the people, it doesnt still become part of the movement.
Please dont make the mistake of confusing people just because it happened at the same time.
These kids even wrote their sign, their words, it was not a GA call to do this stuff.
@Airicks1 They weren't vandalilzing huge corporations. They were vandalizing local businesses--sometimes businesses that had closed for the strike. They are agent provocateurs.
People need to remember to keep it nonviolent. Graffiti and violence is not going to help solve the problems.If anything, it will hinder the progress of the movement.
@icedilli25 Firstly, riots happen everywhere, and if this was England, the riots would still be happening. They were much worse over here and without cause. Most English people are disgusted by the actions of the looters.
And insulting English people makes you look stupid and naiive. As does blaming England.
See, THIS is bringing news. Go to actual people on the spot, showing the good parts, showing the bad parts. Eventho there is a bias at TYT, they stand by their standpoints and don't hide anything.
Thumbs up, TYT. Keep it coming.
i would participate in those riots im tired of this sick society
smoke and destroy
TYT. I am disappointed that you are throwing anarchists under the bus when violence occurs at the protests. I suggest reading about David Graeber, an anarchist who helped start the occupy wall street movement. Without Graeber and his anarchist colleagues, there wouldn't be an occupy wallstreet. He was literally one of the the first ones at the occupation.
I suggest reading the business week article on him or visit occupy wallst website and you will see an article he wrote on oct 29
You can always count on anarchists to ruin a good movement.
The thread that sewed this movement together was cheap and it fell apart early, they really have no protest except to say hey you business person, give me all you got or else, the reason behind it all changes daily...
@cemarz You said.
"It's not hard to change the mind of a mass of people, how do you think we got where we're at now?"
Which is why I asked, where are we now? Obviously we are not in some golden period where we are all equal in some sense
I'm not going to respond to the rest of your comment, that's usually what people say when they don't have anything to come back with, if you want to end our discussion then that's fine, but don't try and act like I don't know what I'm talking about so your done
Anarchists: just one of those groups against their own best interest, as well as the best interests of others.
I believe that this is not the Protesters doing as the people that got their business windows broken supported the protesters. Which to me reeks of someone else doing this to discredit the OWS. I'm proud of the OWS protester for trying to clean the mess up good for them.
STOP using the word anarchism for everything that's considered wrong! It simply means people don't accept unnecessary hierarchical relationships. They want to take the production process they are a part of in into their own hands by forming cooperatives and worker-owned and worker-controlled businesses. From those basic units on up, new representitive decision making meachanism would be set up, eventually making the state, corporation, religions, etc. absolete.
No protest ever goes off without a hitch:first police repression, now this! For all of you who assume that this was what the protest was about all along, keep in mind that every protest has it's…wayward elements, plus the tension was going to boil over at any point anyway.
I believe they were paid off to vandalize those businesses
Feminists & Queers Against Capitalism....
I'm glad the movement isn't trying to pigeonhole its appeal. :)
@rolovolo Interesting, but the video you gave as proof happened years ago. What is your proof this is the situation TODAY?
Dude, what kinda gentleman are you? Get your ass on the proper side of the sidewalk when you're walking & talking with a lady.
The city of Oakland has always been a radical since the 60's when the Black Panther Party was established.
I am in total support of the Occupy Movements. But this sends the wrong message to the people we're trying to get the message to. We're trying to a moral high ground that will show the world what we're all about. Non-violence and non-vandalism has prevailed before. It can prevail again.
I wish this vid were titled something other than "Occupy Oakland Riot." "Vandalism AT Occupy Oakland" would have been better. Or even better than that, "Provocateurs at Occupy Oakland" -- just because they're (possibly) not provocateurs for the police, doesn't mean they're not provocateurs at all. These people need to be rhetorically separated from the Occupation.
These remote broadcasts by Cenk and Ana are a nice touch.
@SweetCash33 When police is called how would they discriminate between the offenders and the restrainers?best thing to do in this situation is to call the law enforcement itself, There will always be parasites and vultures trying to take benefit of a movement, they do not have to be hired by the opposition.
I'm angrey what the anarchists did, but I still suport the 99 percent Protesters.
Thank you Ana for doing some real reporting. I wish more and more people could catch coverage like this and not the way the mainstream covers this. It's sad to see a select few ruin movement the through vandalism. All I can say to all out there protesting, please keep movement peaceful.
Anarchy and chaos are impossible, the human mind cant comprehend it
Great correspondant work, Ana. I wish people would take you more seriously. You have great potential.
Harsh, but not completely unexpected. It would be foolish to beleieve that the any movement would go along completly smooth and expected. Having it on paper is one thing, but putting it into practice puts it in danger of a million different snags and unexpected occurences. But these problems can sometimes be worth the risk.
These guys are jumping the gun, there is no need for violence with good upstandind citizens i.e those shops that accually support the movment. You assholes should organize and use some of that rage when it is needed against those who deserve it.
@rocky19421 >>>"In any crowd, there will be troublemakers"
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We didn't have any of these Black Bloc idiots at our Tea Party rallies. 4 years and I'm not aware of one incident of physical-attack against people or buildings. So basically I'm saying your statement is false
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I don't have to explain myself to anyone. I didn't ask you either, not that you debunked my "conspiracy theory" anyways. If you watch the documentary on G20 you will see the same characteristics. It's called "INTO THE FIRE". Try debunking that documentary. Good luck.
@JimboVids Actually it has been peaceful UNTIL police action gets involved. A mole for the police who was alerting police to unarmed peaceful gatherings was ousted from the protests within the last week, a veteran was injured, another killed and an elderly woman beaten - all by police action while unarmed. Remember Democratic National Convention of 1968 when 8 police officers and 8 civilians were tried for inciting a riot - resulting in several convictions. We see what we are allowed to see.
@yetanotherdumbmonkey no, they used masks, goggles, etc.. to hide themselves, as usual sadly.
They are well organised too. So the best was what was in the video, very young people. No distinguishing marks likely. It was also night time.
glad to hear anarchist across the ocean are having fun too.
@Tartersauce101 You're right, anarchy is a pipe-dream. Society isn't enlightened enough to be anarchists. There is no reason for anarchists to be violent, there are just *people* who are violent. Lawlessness and chaos are not the same thing, and if you don't understand how that can be, then I would respectfully ask that you learn what anarchy is before badmouthing it. Most anarchists are more orderly than non-anarchists in my experience.
Meh...the Raider Nation acts like this 24/7, why is this a surprising turn of events that makes people think negatively of the Occupiers?
wow, I'm glad to see that even the pissed off store owners are sympathising with the movement as a whole
Breaking property is not violence!
These people need to ask themselves how violence is going to help they're goal. Hell, I bet more than half of these people don't even know what they're goal is. What are they trying to accomplish?
This article is essential for understanding the Oakland actions from an anarchist perspective:
"In Defense of the Revolutionary Politics and Actions of Occupy Oakland"
Google it.
They should change their motto to 'We are the 98%' - that's
@badpanda84 None of the protesters are 'hostile' as you claim. And are you seriously trying to say that the people are abusing the police and not vice versa? As for your final claim that's irrelevant as the looters left as soon as they did their damage. What is relevant is that many protesters stood outside of various shops protecting them from the looters. However if this happens again I can assure you the protesters will not be so kind to them.
so when it does get violent where were the police?
@Di0genesus the vandals themselves used the signs of anarchists, I mean literal spraypainted symbols and messages.
So its legitimate use. Now you can say they werent really, but thats more a split in the ideology than our problem.
Both sides will think they have the right to use of the term.
@remoney after what the police was caught doing in NY, i'd have to say it's plausible. It could also be opportunistic angry youth with an anarchist mind set. If proof is brought forward that your hypothesis is true, it will massively strenghten the occupy movement.
@Wgivens93 There are tons of books written on the subject of Anarchism and Direct Action. In fact one of the main organizers of the Occupy Movement, David Graeber, is an Anarchist and has written numerous books on the subject. You could give those a try or one of countless others.
Like I said, it's slowly going to get worse and worse.
Don't say ANARCHIST. Say VANDAL.
@MiLoMac06 that was not anon....not their style.....these "anarchists" did this the same way the "anarchists" in seattle yrs back during the WTO protest.
Are you allowed to still collect unemployment while you are protesting?
Oh, good, you destroyed the property of businesses of various size. You're definitely fighting the corruption of the oligarchy.
Jackassery.
@celestialsalamander You watch way to much TYT if you think racism has ANYTHING to do with the Tea Party. That's just stupid.
Great. Now we have the 98%, 1%, and the other 1%
@shraka I just find this type of reporting self-righteous and preachy. Have they ever even interviewed a single person who didn't think that passive non-violence was soul legitimate the way to go? There are in fact many schools of thought on the matter. I can assure you that your "founding fathers" were not pacifists. They would be calling for heads.
A group of anarchists? Uh no.
Anarchists are practitioners of the NAP. They would not engage in vandalism.
why attack store windows it seems a bit pointless theres very few institutions that should just be flat out attacked like that and stores dont fit the bill. if you want to resist wrongful arrest or fight back greek style well turnabout is fair play
Anyone else sense an irony in anarchists organizing into a group?
In any crowd, there will be troublemakers whether it's football games, Christmas parades or any other large gathering. However, the majority of people don't cause trouble. They are there to do what they came for.
And, for some of you, who probably haven't done a thing in your life for your fellow citizens, to call these folks "rabble" shows not only your character but your sore lack of education and knowledge of your own country's history.
@bamboo4tameshigiri you say a citizen's arrest is "perfectly legal" if they are attacking other people. mostly they were attacking buildings, shops, etc. is it legal then? even so, as a 25 year old fairly frail girl i wouldn't feel comfortable going up to someone breaking windows and trying to arrest them... sorry. and i disagree with you if you think there is ever a justification for violence. there never is. if you want to see changes in this country, you should lead the way by example.