PUNK & METAL SUBGENRES 101 (from ska to grindcore)
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The beginner's guide to punk & metal subgenres is here, including:
* Punk, folk punk, pop punk, ska and skate punk (Sex Pistols, Black Flag, NOFX, Green Day, etc)
* Goth, post-punk and industrial (Joy Division, The Cure, Nine Inch Nails)
* Speed metal, thrash, death metal, black metal & grindcore (Metallica, Cannibal Corpse, Napalm Death, etc)
* Nu-metal, djent, power metal, and metalcore (Limp Bizkit, Periphery, Hammerfall, BMTH, etc)
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0:00 Intro
2:07 Punk, post-punk, hardcore, crust punk, folk punk
5:56 Pop-punk, skate punk, goth, industrial, emo
11:05 Heavy metal, speed metal, hair metal, shred
14:16 Thrash, death metal, prog, melodeath
17:43 Black metal, power metal, djent, nu-metal
20:58 Indie, college rock, midwest emo, math rock
23:39 Crossover, metalcore, deathcore 
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Not acknowledging Horrorcore Proving my point that the biggest problem with scene is how fake people are. Stop misinformation and mislabeling people. Trap isn't Metal. it's more a sub genre of Horrorcore. Horrorcore was influenced by Rock/Metal about 30 years. It's similar to wave of Metalcore in the 2010s.
I like the ideas the New bands have: Make 3 Albums per reless
One to stay Real True to genres (for the fanboys)
one to Show you were trained (for the Music nerds) And * drum roll*
One to get you laid (for the Ladies) Hot chicks man!
It says "Unable to accept invite"
Greetings ! Have you checked the band Ho99o9 ?
the gabber subgenres , punk or metal weird stuff i call our music hardcore gabber the power of my music is so much harder , punk is like 10 bpm the gabber start on 140 bmp goes to plus 2000 bpm , gabbers scene are so many scenes in the gabber scene from splittercore to terror to darkcore to uptempo , punks are relax people btw the gabbers are like punks in way , only we dont care of politics in the end metal is relax music , punk we do only everything in more extreme .
Use this as a “Wow im shocked there was no mention of *insert sub-genre here*” button
I just noticed this comment right after I complained that he didn't mention New Wave.
Djent and Prog Death checked. But no mention of Prog Metal? I guess that is Dream Theater and every other band that wants to sound like Dream Theater. Also, Alt Metal?
just knowing Finn's roots, I'm really surprised that there was no mention of powerviolence
No man, the first punk band was real rock and roll in the 50' like The Phantom. Punk is just a revival of rock and roll's roots.
I'm only partly serious. You get a lot of this kind of discussion in certain Youtibe comments.
Apocalyptic Folk/Neo-Folk/Martial Industrial and stuff like that. K officially offshoots from Industrial but some great bands/projects in those genres.
Best quote explaining the difference between "Heavy Metal" and "Extreme Metal": "It's when you go from "aaaAAAAAA" to "AAAAGGHHHH" -Fenriz
ROCK AND ROLL GAS STATIOOOOOON
I thank Fenriz, Frost and Abbath's goofiness for reminding me black metal artists were silly humans when I was growing up.
People act like black metallers don't know how silly they are, but for the most part it's really just the fans. Even the really loony dudes.
@@ConvincingPeople Dimmu Borgir used to troll TSA by going through security in their full armored and nail covered regalia as a joke. 1349 has been banned from certain venues here in the US because they openly said blasphemous stuff outside the venue and would scream shit at pedestrians and cars for the lulz. The one dude, Gaahl, literally said "Satan" as his biggest musical inspiration in an interview with Sam Dunn, and just chugged wine afterwards to hide his urge to laugh while already drunk off his ass because he thought it would be fucking funny.
Yeah, pretty sure Black Metal is just a bunch of edgelord trolls from rural bum-fuck-nowhere places out for a laugh and a good time.
@@ConvincingPeople
I blame the autism.
And I say this as a goofy, autistic black metal fan.
Finn: hates on melodic-death-metal for watering down death metal with melody
Also finn: loves pop-punk, that massively waters down punk with melody and poppyness
Melo-death is for people like the 17-year old me, who really wanted to feel like part of the extreme metal crowd, but secretely loved pop songs and melodies
@@Posiman well, not at all listen to Insomnium or In Mourning.
Melody has too much presence in metal to be ignored. Even scary death metal bands like Death or Entombed understood melody.
Watering down something heavy is one thing, but what exactly would you be watering down with pop-punk, punkiness?
@@robwalsh9843 thats a point that many people that hate melodeath kind of want to ignore, that later death production for example isnt really that far from melodeath. I think the hate comes from mostly the name, since its not as "hard"
being brazilian i smile everytime you talk of sepultura, i love how far they went, absolute legends in the metal scene here
Sepultura have tour caled "back to the roots" and they come in Zagreb , Croatia
BEST CONCERT EVER !
Damn Straight my friend ! am 49 yrs old & live in Tennessee in the U.S. Arise is & will be one of my favorite all time Metal Albums!! Can't forget about Roots & I was also a Soulfly fan back in the Day!!
I’m French but have lived almost my entire life in America, my dad is an absolute SUPERFAN of Sepultura, so I grew up with it. I’ve probably heard bloody roots a thousand times 😅
I'm triggered that you didn't mention the musical chastity belt that is Doom Metal
Then we'd have to talk funeral doom, sludge and drone, which are less chastity belts than… whatever depressive black metal is. Things I like because I'm a sewer mutant, in other words.
@@ConvincingPeople I play guitar in a doom/sludge band and I wish he would've made fun of it for that reason.
@@ConvincingPeople Imagine talking to a girl you like and telling her you're a musician, then when she asks what kind of music you play you have to look her in the eyes, and with a straight face say "I play guitar in a Funeral Doom band"
All doom metal bands are just stoners who remixed Black Sabbath riffs
@@LordCardenas you aren't wrong, Imperial dog
“Metal isn’t a scene it’s a goddamn arms race” - Punk Rock MBA
Huh, so that's why people hate it lol
"But does it *slam,* gentlemen?"
Nah that's emo. Fall Out Boy specifically lol
@@colbydufrene1876 "That's the joke."
Yea, kinda
It's fun tho
As an old guy in his mid forties you almost always remind me of a ton of bands I’ve forgotten about . Now I will be driving the wife and kid crazy over the next two weeks playing music way to loud that they have never imagined existed . Thanks Finn you are my hero .
Mid 40s is old, really? I'm 54 so what does that make me? Almost dead?
@@sacheverelleyes
"Is it heavy or is it melodic???"
Killswitch: y e s
Black metal and indie music: *exists*
FInn: "and I took that personally"
@Soy Orbison Mr Finn hates those genres too much 🤣, he loves Trap Metal and Machine Gun Kelly so much
@@jaysonmahaguay5888 ick
Soy Orbison LOL
I honestly hope the thing will actually save rock would be a mix of the two.
Music community especially when it comes to Rick is super toxic like fr we all have our own opinion I think he's more into Rap he likes alot of rock tho
Yo he coming out swinging and throwing haymakers at everyone's pet genre.
😇
"So I started blastin!"
Feel like this is a Comedy Central roast and he’s Nicki Glaser
@@JanuszPea gayest post of 2021... fuck that's cringe.
Yo he coming out sucking
19:34 I'm coining a new term for this type of metal as "Power Ranger Metal". I think it fits perfectly. Basically the fast, progressive power metal sound with super dramatic avant garde opera vocals and keyboards and organs with that coral sound and falsetto back up vocals with vocoders.
You know what? Why not
Black Sabbath, to me was an outlier for classic Heavy Metal. I felt like there was more meaning in their music, much less goofy, and much less corny.
Yeah ur right but it’s Cuz ozzy’s brain was fuckedddd
cuz they were doom metal
@@MTHSLH482 They were somewhere among doom, heavy and blues rock depending on the album you choose.
That's because they were a blues band
"They're like IRL versions of Borderlands NPC's" I'm dying LMAO
“I don’t want to disrespect Indie”
*shits all over Indie*
“I just had to mention it as a genre”
Lmao seriously. Acts like it's a real thing when in reality all modern "indie" that isn't garbage corporate rock he talks about (ie, definitionally NOT independent rock) originates in post-punk/new wave and those "college rock" bands he mentions, as well as the no-wave movement. Pretty dumb how he mentioned math rock and several other "indie" subgenres under rock and then still acts like "indie" is anything real other than a marketing aesthetic. "Indie" is just a name given to all forms of alternative rock that have a "softer/nerdier" aesthetic. That's it. It really stuck in the 90s because all those 'midwest emo' bands and their influences hated being called "college rock" so they made a concerted effort to brand themselves with the "indie rock" label. It's all just different kinds of alternative rock. That's why some "midwest" "emo" bands sound like Nirvana, meanwhile others sound like Pavement. All of them are indebted to Hüsker Dü and Sonic Youth.
Genre names are so ephemeral that applying them outside a certain scene and context during a certain time period creates disasters, which is why it's always so confusing.
@@kage6613 While I agree with a lot of this in principle, I think his video on why he's not crazy about "indie" stuff clears things up a little more than you're giving him credit for, and he's copped to the fact that what he's referring to is specifically the current which kind of rode the coattails of the Olympia twee scene (especially Beat Happening) and the British C86 bands but lacked the sort of punk defiance implicit in those bands' explicit rejection of rock'n'roll machismo. And I get that. The original twee, post-punk and "college rock" acts were actually *way* ballsier in their vulnerability than a lot of hardcore and metal bands, and that's worth respecting, but it does feel like a lot of modern bands playing in that same tradition aren't really pushing the envelope in that way.
@@ConvincingPeople if you go to that video you'll see all my comments disagreeing, there are plenty of modern indie rock bands in the punk and hardcore scene doing cool stuff within the modern landscape. Mainstream garbage will always be mainstream garbage, it's the same with any genre.
@@kage6613 @ConvincingPeople That's what I was thinking. The Indie term is just over- and missused.
In my opinion, as a huge fan of many varieties of Punk music, Indie is next to the US thing that you mentioned the evolution of the 80s GB Post-Punk-Sound of bands like Joy Division, The Stranglers or The Smiths in bands like (early) Arctic Monkeys, The Libertines or Franz Ferdinand, which still have some sort of that Post-Punk vibe I would say (along with the aesthetics).
Not really sure he did have to mention it, especially since the strawman version of indie that are soundtracking car commercials isn’t part of the punk or metal scenes.
Awesome video - I'm older than Finn and can confirm that this beginner's guide to subgenres is the most accurate commentary on rock and metal since This is Spinal Tap!
Another killer vid with a lot of history and substance. “IRL versions of borderlands NPCs” completely took me out lmao.
"A malnourished dog on a string named Chaos" LMAO BRAHHHH
literally the instant you said "folk punk" an ad popped up with a woman saying "Im thinking about adopting a dog" I cant make this shit up... laughed so hard i scared both my cats awake
I got an ad for a folk band with a dude wearing a Pantera shirt
@@craigjames1082 same
Time Stamps (Alternative Music Genres)
Spent 4 hours tracking times and researching artist names! Thanks Finn, I love you buddy! Enjoy everyone!
2:05 Punk (Sex Pistols, The Ramones, and The Damned)
3:06 Post-Punk (Joy Division and Gang of Four)
3:43 Hardcore (Discharge, G.B.H, The Subhumans, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Minor Threat, The Dead Kennedys, M.D.C.)
4:25 Anarcho-Punk (Crass, Flux of Pink Indians, Conflict)
5:00 Crust Punk (Disclose and Drop Dead) *my suggestions :)*
5:18 Folk Punk (Defiance Ohio, Days and Days)
5:57 Pop Punk (Buzz Cocks, The Ramones, The Undertones, The Descendents, Green Day, Offspring)
6:32 TRL Core (Blink-182, Sum 41, and New Found Glory)
6:50 Skate Punk (D.I. and Bad Religion, NOFX, Pennywise, and Lagwagon)
7:26 Ska Punk (No Doubt, Mighty Mighty Boss Tones, Reel Big Fish)
7:52 Goth (The Cure, Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees)
8:50 Industrial (Skinny Puppy, Front 242, Throbbing Gristle, Nine Inch Nails)
9:40 Emo (My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At the Disco, and The Used)
11:08 Heavy Metal (Black Sabbath, Motörhead, Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden)
12:11 Speed Metal (Exciter)
12:45 Hair Metal (Mötley Crüe, Poison, Guns N Roses, Warrant, Trixter, and White Lion)
13:33 Shred (Yngwie Malmsteen, Jason Becker, and Nitro) *Jason Richardson for updated shred*
14:17 Thrash Metal (Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer, Destruction, Sodomy, Creator, Sepultura, Dark Angel, and Forced Entry)
15:24 Death Metal (Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel, Deicide, Obituary, and Death)
16:08 Progressive Death Metal (Cynic, Atheist, Pestilence, and Beyond Creation)
16:59 Melodic Death Metal (In Flames and At the Gates)
17:42 Black Metal (Emperor, Dark Throne, Mayhem, Immortal, Watain, and Deathspell Omega)
19:18 Power Metal (Dragonforce and Helloween) *my suggestions :)*
19:58 Djent (Meshuggah, Periphery, Volumes, Monuments, and Textures)
20:24 Nu Metal (Korn, Limp Bizkit, and Linkin Park)
22:02 College Rock (The Replacements, Husker Du, Sonic Youth, and R.E.M)
22:36 Midwest Emo (The Promise Ring and Sunny Day Real Estate)
22:55 Math Rock (Don Caballero and Chon)
23:23 Crossover (D.R.I., S.O.D, and Agnostic Front)
23:46 Grindcore (Napalm Death, Carcass, Pig Destroyer, and Insect Warfare
24:16 Metalcore (Killswitch Engage and God Forbid)
24:34 Deathcore (Suicide Silence, Whitechapel, and Chelsea Grin)
Days and Daze, not Days and Days lol
Good job anyway
I like Mellodeath. It can be brutally heavy and preceded all those "core" bands. They can go from super melodic like Insomnium to brutal and technical like Mors Princibum Est to barely melodic like Kalmah. It's basically death metal with good solos.
black daliah murder fits there aswell, even opeth in my opinion
no, it's basically power metal with growls
@@paveantelic7876 nah u trippin 💀 listen to the black dahlia murder then listen to idk helloween or dragon force 😂 yall just be sayin shit
@@pausamaxima i just did and it was exactly like how i thought it would be
@@paveantelic7876 get better, learn music
I can't believe you didn't explain the difference between pagan metal and viking metal
yeah and what about folk metal vs. medieval metal
Can't forget Pirate Metal
@@paulapierrot9542 I'll be honest I didn't know medieval metal was a thing mind throwing some bands my way
@@OnyxXThePunch try this ruclips.net/video/B7Hqk8k2-Qs/видео.html
One belives in odin and the other one is probably a racist 😂😂😂✊🏻
I hope you make a shirt that says, “The more notes per song, the safer your virginity is!”
I'm into classical. My siblings can get laid and have the kids, I'll remain happily single and buy all the annoying Toys For Tots with no fear of retribution.
So we should probably get into the audio castration that is the neo-classical metal sub genre
@@nonyodambiz I put this video on while editing my Neo-Classical metal playlist.
Lol, music snobs are funny
What did Bach not mean by this? 😂
Finn, thank you for what you do. I'm a middle-aged Cleveland street punk (mostly retired) You bring a light of positivity to your channel, and you have a humanistic perspective on the music scene as a whole. Some of my favorite memories include dishing about who got the biggest bruise from the show at Peabodies Downunder.
Had a lot of great times there! And thank you!
As an avid power metal fan, i am also a huge fantasy nerd, so you're not exactly wrong.
The thought of someone finding this video and discovering a whole new world of music makes me so happy
@Soy Orbison I don't recall him saying its objectively crap?
Indie is objectively amazing btw
Well I just discovered Forced Entry because of this video :) !
"Your uncle who still wears Airwalks, Dickies shorts, and Black Fly sunglasses listens to in his truck."
Goddamn, Finn. Why ya gotta call me out like this.
Scratch that. I just feel attacked by this whole video. lolololololol
but I wear cortez’,…….. and Loks, and my grandkids dig it🤓😎🥸……. (yeah sure buddy, keep tellin yourself that)
Trade the Airwalks with Vans and the Black Flys with liquor store locs and yeah….he nailed it with me.
Still rock Ben Davis and triple A t shirts too lol.
Being able to make fun of something and see it’s appeal or even love it at the same time, I believe is a sign of very high intelligence.
Exactly
You are such an expert, dude. Literally mentioned almost all of my favorite artists growing up. This was great, thanks a lot!
Someone's grandpa is gonna be pissed you didn't name The Stooges as the first punk band
*henry rollins
@Ivory_ Lagiacrus_YT everyone forgets MC5 but in terms of chronology, MC5 recorded the album in October 1968 but released about a year later sometime after The Stooges first album.
@@Awesomebaconman123 They were contemporaries right? Is being particular about recording dates even a good way to describe who was "first" to do anything in this era? They must have been influencing each other well before either got a chance to record.
The Stooges never strike me as a straight punk band. Musically, I think the Ramones were the first. Culturally, the DKs laid the groundwork for punk in a way that, as far as I know, none of the other early bands did.
I am somebody’s grandpa
Don't really want to be that guy but how could you leave out the entire doom and sludge
Believe in a previous video he said he couldn't find a reason to talk about Doom, as it's "a genre solely dedicated to sounding like Black Sabbath", so there's only so much to say about it. (Finn, I love you, but you're wrong here). As for Sludge, idk probably can't talk about that without talking about Doom.
Because acknowledging doom will prove all his "rock is dying" points wrong
@@chachorolas923 That's a good point... Rock is bigger than ever numbers wise - since it's more global than ever - just not radio wise.... and doom is doing some good stuff over the past 20 years
I know, right?!
@Soy Orbison Gojira is currently no. 1 on billboard 200
You are right about Nu Metal being the Most Famous subgenre of Metal/rock.
I live in a WEST-AFRICAN COUNTRY(Ghana). You would rarely hear any rock music anywhere. But Numb-Linkin Park was on the radio every day in 2004/2005. The Intro and Instrumentals was amazing, as such radio personalities loved it on their shows.
That's when I started following Rock.
I've heard that thing before about how melodic death metal doesn't make much sense... I actually love its duality, brutal and emotive at the same time (I never understood pure brutality to be honest, I get bored very quickly).
I think its brutality makes its emotion more intense, and its emotion gives more meaning to its brutality. I get the chills when there is a transition from a melodic and more mellow part to something more explosive and rabid, whereas the constant tone of death metal seems monotone to me. I totally get the beauty of it, it just loses my attention after 10-15 minutes, not my cup of tea.
I guess it depends on our circumstances in life or the nature of our temper, but melodeath makes lot of sense to me!
Great video though, I always like your way of seeing things!
I totally agree!!
Those who didn't wanna choose between the slower post-punk branch of punk and the faster hardcore branch, created post-hardcore.
Sleeping with sirens is my favorite post hardcore band.
Yeah, considering how many different sub genres of post hardcore there are, and how prevalent it is I’m actually genuinely surprised it wasn’t mentioned.
@@rpglover101 Hey dude can you tell me a little bit about post hardcore and the sub genres, because i'm new into this genre and i just discover sleeping with sirens and pierce the veil lol😂
@Yung Mallet post-hardcore has started to become the dumping ground where you throw in anything that's heavy and punk-influenced, but doesn't fit anywhere else. Fugazi, mewithoutYou, Sleeping With Sirens, and Refuzed are all "post-hardcore," but none of those bands sound anything alike.
@@mynameislove1704 if you are wanting the post-hardcore that comes from the late 00s to like 2015 that is scene culture then I wouldn’t listen to what they’re saying. That started with bands like Attack Attack and had its own wave of stuff. Like the really high vocals like PTV and SWS comes from the OGs like Dance Gavin Dance and Chiodos. But some other parts dive into hair metal like Escape the Fate and Black Veil Brides. Others got heavier like Bring me the Horizon and some went poppy like A Day to Remember. I’m not sure if these all have like real sub genre names but it’s interesting that most put these in that scene post hardcore genre but it sounds so different from each other.
Finn: Is it heavy or is it melodic? Pick one.
Also Finn: I live and die for metalcore.
Seriously though, another great video Finn!!
FR!!!!!!
Yeah I made a funny face when I heard him say that 😅
Like, why not both, right?
Metalcore sometimes has heavy and melodic parts, but isn't trying to be heavy and melodic at the same time.
Finn, I've been watching your videos for a few hours now, and appreciate this one the most. I'm glad you took things back to the 70's/80's because this era was extremely important to the evolution of what kids are listening to today.
I’m pretty sure Nightwish helped me lose my virginity. I’m not sure how I made the leap from power metal to darkwave, but here I am. She Passed Away is just honey for my advent toting ears.
Wait... if the more notes a genre has, the more it functions as male birth control....
Does this mean funeral doom will make me a chick magnet?
No, the extreme ends of the note density scale are both effective male birth control. WAP contains the ideal note density and any variances from this optimal center decreases wetness.
Got it. So Type O Negative then?
@@chaos_incarnate5131 Type O Negative gets every girl absolutely drenched but even though Peter Steele died a decade ago you'd still have to claw them away from his corpse before you could start swimming in it.
You know this is a joke, right?
Also, for the record, I can play.
"you can smell this video" and "the people who weren't dysfunctional enough to listen to black flag" are the truest statements this channel has ever made
Black Flag isn't that fucked up. They are a pretty tame hardcore band imo. But tbf I was listening to some really heavy shit before I even heard of BF
@@adamsulliva9998 dysfunction isn't always about heavy. The punks who wallow in addiction and mental illness tend to have an over intense love of Black Flag. I speak as someone who's been there. It gets more extreme in and around Long Beach, CA
Yep, was really missing the whole stoner/doom/sludge metal corner, bands like Sleep, High On Fire, Electric Wizard, Melvins, Fu Manchu, Saint Vitus as some of the bigger names.
Goth and industrial are both awesome
Power Metal is one of my favorite genres I've gotten into as I've gotten older. It's so ridiculously corny, but the musicians and vocalists are so good that it makes it feel big and epic when you see them play for those massive crowds like Blind Guardian does. Power Metal doesn't really work in clubs with a 3-foot high stage and $9 Michelob Ultras.
Small venues only work if your band name is Ninja Magic.
@@RockstarWizardess well that’s why nowdays you see a trillion videos on RUclips of people reacting to this genre due to those amazing vocalist and how well the sing!! I do love power metal first song I listened was “eagle fly free” from helloween and just blown me away and was 20 something years ago,
And something we have to consider, a metal head have the ear to listen to every music and use the knowledge to appreciate or not other types, there’s a lot of artist that their taste in music goes beyond metal…what is curious is for the non metal is hard to comprehend the music we like…it’s basically “noise and growls”. With all this saying.
Hammer fall is amazing and blind guardian and gamma ray and helloween, and a ton of new bands appearing.
Problem is, Power Metal takes itself seriously. So you either laugh about it or accept Sword & Sorcery, Dungeons & Dragons, and JRR Tolkien as your Holy Trinity. And the less we talk about the music the better.
Them needs know what they're doing
Nerds*
I love how Sublime is the biggest ska band but nobody ever brings them up when talking about ska because they were too good for us to associate them with such a hated genre.
As somebody who loves Sublime, they don't get brought up because they suck
Sublime is just Smash Mouth on Heroin
@@ogvelociraptor205 lowkey yes
@@ogvelociraptor205 no way
Sublime wasn't Ska. They were a blend of punk, hip hop, and reggae (which came from ska) Even if they were a ske band they certainly weren't "the biggest" No Doubt, the Mighty Mighty Bosstones and others were way more successful within the genre.
Crust is a great genre. Monument to thieves by his hero is gone is a masterpiece. Crust is like a mix of anarcho punk and (insert metal sub-genre here). D beat is also an important component to punk that can be heard in everything from the Varukers, to NOFX, to groups like Martyrdod, and Dodsrit. I’ve also heard bands like Wolfbrigade described as “motorhead crust”, which I think is a pretty great way of describing it.
Ummm, Husker Du kinda really influenced a lot of bands. They deserve a video of their own. Another great one Finn!!
*"your lipstick, his collar, don't bother angel, I know exactly what goes on" has signed onto messenger*
in my head: Shit... do I talk to kinda hot emo girl or do I get another free omelette on neopets.
@@ardley216 some of the hardest choices we ever made
Which would you prefer?
@@ashleybrown4754 hot emo girls are temporary, free omelettes are forever.
I hate this lol
Based on most of my favored subgenres, I am still a virgin. My kids are going to be happy when they learn of their immaculate conception at which point I assume they get deep into the early Tooth and Nail catalog.
You should see the girls at power metal shows in Germany. It's like a much bigger goth event in 1995 but *with metal* and legal "underage" drinking.
@@doobiousd5020 I think these rules immediately fail as soon as you hit Continental Europe. If you're in the US or Canada, though, and arguably the UK, that's a different story. But this man persisted.
Ian Rowan clearly is a man of great patience and resilience. I'm just saying, maybe a lovely vacation could give him a whole new outlook on the matter :)
Tooth and Nail had some of the best music back then...if you know you know
If you live in the US, New Zealand, Australia and the U.K, anywhere hip hop/rap has had major influence than you must listen(and go to clubs)or pretend to like that stuff if you want to get laid.
Basically Whatever is popular is "normal" and you be deemed Normal if you fit in with the normies.
Rock/metal is still cool in those coooold countires
Deathrock is a genre started in LA from the darker hardcore bands...Christian Death, 45 Grave, TSOL, Superheroines. It was like the American version of Goth. Also yes, there are several subgenres 😆
Exactly!
I'm so glad you acknowledged GnR epitomized the hair metal of that era. I was even happier to see you give a much deserved big ups to Nitro. That debut album is an underrated classic! One huge metal subgenre you left out, however, is visual kei.
College Rock comes from the fact that those artists got played on campus/college radio and was how they got exposure.
Campuscore
Bascially all that us indie.
@@kidneystonermusic College with breakdowns*
@@Hosenanzugtasche i think they call those "mental health days" now
To me the most interesting part of metal is where they blend sub-genres and even genre meld with other genres. Rivers of Nihil is great.
Thanks for the mention, checked them out
@@kirikishin356 thanks, I will too
The most awesome thing about Rivers of Nihil is that they have masterfully woven in a jazz saxophone with the heavy shit. And I do mean masterfully.
@@mjohnson1563 check out dreamwake if you like sax
dog fashion disco and beat the red light are good examples of genre melding that i listen to very often. theres also the obvious ones like bungle and soad
You just introduced me to Power Metal and I’m in love with it! Metal for my nerdy self that’s melodic
This video combines my love for a lot of the sub genres of rock, with my love for organization and categorization :D
I love that you can get a group of people who love punk and metal, and we can all disagree heavily on our tastes in music. When I hear a lot of your takes, I initially get annoyed, but quickly appreciate the stimulation I get from these disagreements. It makes life interesting, and it's not like disagreeing on things that actually seriously affect our lives.
I disagree.
My problem is he just takes low hanging fruit jokes about any genre he isn't personally into. Which is kind of dumb
More of a healthy debate than a full disagreement :)
That “Gerard Way lyrics as their away message on AIM” hit real deep.
Incredible video. I feel like I can find new music watching your content, which is incredible with all of the isolation rn. You should do a video about Bobby Leibling , kinda like a “where is he now” type thing
I'm a huge Chelsea grin fan (og Chelsea grin) and have been for a very long time.
I was patiently waiting for the deathcore breakdown and was pleasantly surprised to see that they got to wrap up the video.
Good shit man! Love your videos.
Thrash is my main and for a good reason: it covers everything. There's thrash about problems with religion, politics, government control, protecting the environment, serious depressing war songs/anti-war songs, moshing around like a maniac, chugging beers, satan, killing people, just being yourself, and basically everything else you could want a song about. Can't go wrong with it.
I need balance in my metal. Thrash is my go to as well.
Yes, especially the Venice brand of thrash. The thrash from there is unique and unmatchable in my opinion, because it is so simple yet so well-constructed
As a grindcore musician, I always viewed my genre as death metal/black metal with a strong DIY punk type of energy.
Nah I view Grindcore as mostly death metal but with power chords everywhere and blastbeats
It's the other way around. It originally was people with a punk background going extreme death metal.
It's considered a crossover between crust punk and thrashcore (no idea what it is btw, but as far as i get it's like when there is more hardcore punk than thrash). But actually almost all genres under the sun can be mixed together nowadays.
@@user-sx5uk9gd5y Fair point 🤔 there really at this point is no guidline for grindcore other than just be punk and be noisy.
as other people said it's more the opposite. crust punks like doom who just threw down as hard as they could that eventually formed the entire genre with further inclusions of black/death metal influence. it's honestly why i love and relate to the grind scene than other metal scenes, cuz i'm a crustie myself lol
Great video !!!!
The Punk Rock MBA is my favourite music channel on RUclips !!!
Keep the gold coming mate 👍🏻
It’s funny that everyone has a combo of music they just can’t appreciate. For you its melodic death metal, for me it’s country and hip hop. I like country, I like hip hop, but I can’t do the fusion.
I respect your opinion but I'm definitely into the country/hip-hop fusion.
I love melodic metal because it’s waaayyy more approachable than the hardcore stuff. Melody is so important to music and it should be celebrated. I feel like it increases the lifespan for people to enjoy music in greater numbers over longer periods of time.
@@edlingja1 the more i read through comments the more i realize music is almost COMPLETELY subjective because there are bands i listen to that don't incorporate melody or harmony in any actually tonal sense, and those are the bands that have made me happy. swans, coughs, encenethrakh... everybody's got way different experiences i suppose
@@spitgorge2021 encenathrakh is the shit
17:22 I wouldn't say melodic death metal is watered down or oxymornic, I would say it's catchy while maintaining a great deal of heaviness.
Death was melodic death metal... Death.... DEATH
I don't care for melodeath either but I still disagreed with Finn because I don't think you have to "pick one" between heavy and melodic. Those bands are obviously still heavy and obviously still melodic.
My favourite metal genre I would say :) Lots of variety in melodeath
Ikr, honestly, the epic atmosphere that melodeath bands like CoB or Be'Lakor create are what sets the genre apart from the others for me, as someone who doesn't really like the overly symphonic/generic operatic approach of power metal
@@ptr_does_music7042 Be'lakor is amazing \m/ Children of Bodom too of course. RIP Alexi
To sum this up into a thesis statement: It's all pretty ridiculous but also kinda fun.
Good shout with Forced Entry. Never heard of them. They’re class!!
"Is it heavy or is it melodic? Pick one."
*Misery Signals has entered the chat*
I think cybergoths are a bit closer to rave music than industrial, at least than industrial rock/metal. The industial aesthetic you are thinking of is called rivetheads.
You're right. Well, Finn did say that he isn't that knowledgeable about this stuff. I hate how Cybergoths' dancing is called "industrial" btw, as there's nothing industrial about their music or their dancing. It's all rave, like you said.
Thank you.
I heard that they call stuff like Electro-Industrial,Aggrotech etc part of
Post-Industrial Music.
Well it definitely doesnt belong in the Punk family tree 😆
Nitro is ridiculous and incredible, they're like the final Pokemon evolution of hair metal.
listened to that and all of MAB's solo stuff a lot when I was young
I almost thought he was gonna say Racer X, but yeah Nitro def works there, too.
This is great Fin thank you so much for this, by the way, regarding melodeath, i'm all about oxymoronic music, so it's perfect for me! Keep doin ur thing G
All the Lookout! sampler records. I had so many of those on tape from friends-multiple generations of copied cassette tapes. And tapes recorded from the college radio shows. Tape trading (which I wasn't as deep into as some friends were). Maximum Rock n' Roll magazine from the local record stores Raunch and Heavy Metal Shop and Graywhale.This video brought back lots of memories.
I love indie (particularly 90's indie rock) but that was a much needed dressing down. Gotta say, Ben Gibbard walking through the woods wearing a brown tweed blazer, bowler hat, scarf and skinny jeans is about the lamest, most 2000's indie thing I can think of. Great work!
can you name your favorite 90s indie rock bands? i wanna listen to more i love built to spill
@@fairy6126 Sure! If you love Built to Spill I think you would really enjoy Lync's "These Are Not Fall Colors". Another great one is Archers of Loaf's "Icky Mettle". Shudder to Think's "Funeral At the Movies" or "Goat" are both lovely. Nada Surf's "High/Low" is an underrated classic. Silkworm's "In the West" is great and influenced both Built to Spill and Modest Mouse. If you like a more emo sound Knapsack's "This Conversation Is Ending Starting Now" is great, and if you like a more hardcore sound I recommend Boilermaker's "Watercourse LP" or The Van Pelt's "Stealing from our Favorite Thieves". Finally for some contemporary indie rock with that 90's feel, Entropy's "Liminal" is superb and anything by Title Fight is pretty fresh. That should get ya started, hope you find something you like!
Is indie rock the same as alternative rock? As in that genre that was spawned from late 70's No Wave? Swans, Sonic Youth etc
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 I don't think they're identical but there is so much overlap between the two that they are functionally the same. Alternative rock originally meant alternative to mainstream rock, and indie rock originally meant independent rock and roll music. Then the terms began to take on somewhat particular identities. Sonic Youth, Pixies, REM? Alternative rock. Dinosaur Jr, Sebadoh, Archers of Loaf? Indie rock. It's all a muddle though, there are no hard lines.
@@xxcrysad3000xx kay, but both came out of No Wave? As in not from Metal nor Punk?
Ahhhh, Lagwagon, Reel Big Fish, and Goldfinger were the soundtrack to my middle school years. Edit: Do not look at me like that Finn, it was a happy time and I have lots of fond memories of Tony Hawk Pro Skater on PS1.
Early Goldfinger yes. What about VGS? Never got into Lagwagon, but loved NoFX and Strung Out. Ask Finn about the bands AKE and Formula One.
@@sandollor Lagwagon is skate punk with metal influences like Strung Out so you might dig them. The quality of their output didn’t dip like Strung Out post-Jim Cherry too.
Holy shit. Lagwagon.
Doom Metal really is missing. I understand throwing classic heavy metal and NWOBHM into a pot or not diving into the subgenre-swamp of pagan etc, but Doom Metal is totally different and itself divided into several broad strokes of subgenres that genuinely sound like different genres of rock music again.
Also, I find the defining feature of Black Metal to be tremolo picking, but oh well.
Man this whole time I thought I had a fairly food grasp on all the sub genres but watching this and realizing my era of music started at like..the crossover point. oooh boy
Power metal is extra cheesy, but I love cheese and you can't deny the success of Dragonforce, Nightwish, Amaranthe, Kamelot, Within Temptation, et al. Coming from a more traditional music background, these were my gateway drug into metal and they'll always have a special place in my heart.
Dig the channel, sir!
Never thought I could like power metal until trying to play dragonforce on guitar hero and it’s like, ok I’ll never be able to play this BUT it sounds pretty sweet
Honestly there are some individual power metal songs that I think have pretty broad appeal even in spite of the cheese, like Elysium by Stratovarius or Ghost Love Score by Nightwish
Eh i wouldn't call Nightwish and Within Temptation Power Metal.
I mean just listen to Within Temptation Enter album.
Sounds nothing like Power Metal. Which makes sense.
Because that is Symphonic Metal,Gothic Metal and Doom Metal.
Just like their later albums like Silent Force sounds nothing like
Power Metal.
And Nightwish doesn't sound like Power Metal only.
I would add Gothic Metal and Symphonic Metal.
With songs like Nemo and End Of All Hope.
Melodeath is actually one of my favorite Metal genres. Especially the techno stuff that started in the early-mid 2000s.
Same here. Children of Bodom and Amon Amarth got me into death metal.
Same. Pandemonium is one of my fave metal bands and I think they fall under melodeath
I got into crust from my math tutor, pretty interesting genre, it is a shame, that it isn’t talket about too often. Some bands even combine genres, for example, black metal
Crust really is pretty much the same thing as Black Metal except it doesn’t have solos, blast beats, shrieking vocals or growls, and ofc, the lyrics are usually protest chants/political statements or speaking against things like oppression, war, violence, addiction and poverty, instead of praising Satan or Viking Gods and talking about ghosts and demons and curses and promoting oppression, war, violence, addiction and poverty. TLDR Crust punk is made by alcoholic communist/anarchist hooligans from urban areas who wanna live life traveling like Gypsies, while Black metal is made by depressive Nazis who are on FBI-watchlists and live on the suburbs or countryside who wanna move into cabins in the woods like the Unabomber
It’s so interesting to hear other people’s opinions and thoughts on music that differ from your own. Melodic death metal was what got me into heavier music, namely Children of Bodom. The addition of melody is what a lot of heavy music desperately needed in my opinion. It’s took the “epicness” of cinematic music and made it feel like you were going to war. I still love it. Imagine trying to writing a metal music but with the emotion of the final scenes of last of the Mohicans
I’m glad you mentioned my favorite sub genre, Power Metal. I wish you would have mentioned my second favorite, Folk Metal.
My biggest problem with Hair metal was the fact that growing up the hair metal radio guys were generally the most aggressive in their condemnations of hip-hop for lyrical content being only about "hos and bling" in between Warrant and Motley Crue records. Always felt like thinly veiled cultural and racial anxiety.
@Soy Orbison ugggghhhh stfuuu
@ghost mall
I don't think it could be possible to cram in more adjectives and attributes in that comment.
Comment from Europe - Concerning your point about power metal - yes it is goofy and - i didn't really realize that until you said that "i can hardly think about somebody listening to that with a straight face" - yes, well I think that's the entire point about power metal - it's about havin' a great time with your friends and all rising your beer towards the sky, singing along and having a good time and not taking oneself too seriously
Greets from Austria
Finn, this is a fantastic Video. Thank you! I will be sharing... Cheers! 🤘
"Like Metal is about playing guitar really fast and coming up with cool edgy lyrics about demons n shit"
---finn
That description just hit waaaaay different hahahaha
Way different than........
@@user-fj6kk1vo8n different than the standard person trying to describe metal
*Talking about Opera*
"But I really think the band that formed this genre as we know it was The Descendants."
I LOOOOOVE that you mentioned insect warfare ... my personal favorite as well
Love it! Great vid man. This is all fluff of course for my "how could you forget!" entry: where's Ministry on the industrial section! No but for real, this was great man. Dig what you're doing, so well done. But also for real: how could you forget Ministry.
As a Brazilian, I automatically like any video mentioning Sepultura.
Theyre in place of Megadeth in my big four.
@Jason Weaver over Megadeth ya. But probably not. Kreator. Exodus. There's so many thrash bands I like more. Anthrax is fun though.
@@KT-cz7rm exodus is fucking sick
Any Nervosa fans here?
@Jason Weaver what’s wrong with Anthrax? They’re second behind Slayer for me in that Big 4. Metallica has a few good tracks and Megadeth just sucks.
Remember the simpler times, when GWAR was the only band around that you had to be in on the joke to really enjoy? Now there's entire genres of the stuff! :D
My favorite bands are the ones that dont take themselves all seriously. Gwar, primus and iwrestledabearonce just to name a few. Gwar has been my all time favorite for 15-20 years now. They're so fucking absurd
Austrian Death Machine, Psychostick and Alestorm are in regular rotation here.
Slugdge ftw. Extreme metal where all songs are about slugs.
nice showing DI some love ! respect to you
Honestly I like all the subgenres, these days I appreciate music in general. It is hella funny listening to someone blast the music I love 'cuz even I know it sucks lol, still fun to bump when I'm skateboarding
3:38 me who listened to lots of MCR and post hardcore bands in high school and listens to a lot of midwest emo/post-punk/goth/etc now: i feel called out 😂
Lol same here, but since I still listen to MCR and I got tired of explaining the whole history of emo every time someone asked me about my music taste I just accept whatever definition they have of emo as true
The older I get and the wider my musical taste gets the less I give a fuck about genres in general. I remember being 13 and arguing on musicianforums over genres all day though lmao.
I have two: Jams and Don't.
I was so happy to hear you mention Insect Warfare! I thought they were way more obscure
You're not supposed to listen to power metal with a straight face. You're supposed to smile stupid wide and raise your fist and yell "HELL YEAH!"
Finally! As an old man of 51, I sometimes feel lost when people break it down into such fine subcategories.
This will most likely help me out when I’m talking with my kids about music and I appreciate it.🤠
I also had some trouble learning these genres, because I just got into the rock genre in general this year. But I’m not even 18 so I probably could be your child :D
@@quantumlp8807 my oldest is 22, so maybe…🤠
@@quantumlp8807 Good to see a new face in the genre....word of advice...whoever gives you shit about not knowing everything about these genres is probably like 15 years older than you and still living with mom and dad so don't let them get to you.
I feel like thrash is when Metal got heavy without losing it's groove. Love it.
You mean Groove Metal?
@Soy Orbison yeah, groove is pretty close to thrash and thrash is close to speed. It's cool how they're all connected
This is really informative especially for me who doesn't really listen to metal that often!
Djent is my favorite. Bands like Erra, Northlane, Volumes, Periphery, Architects, After the Burial are just *chefs kiss*
Oh god, I used so much of my teenage lifespan caring about these things, talking about it on recess at school, on forums, in short-lived social media... It's a bit odd finding people on their late 20s or 30s still talking about this stuff like it is an exact science or something. Also, it's fun to me how we used to "take sides", and now I like at least two artists from every single genre you mentioned.
As a 38yo virgin death and power metal fan, I just wanna say one thing:
In Flames rox!
In flames we trust
Never lose faith my friend
*Old In Flames
I only know "Take This Life" from Guitar Hero 😅
Skate punk is the most popular of all those genres in my country. Lima, Peru had a big skate punk scene back in the 2000s. Some of the bands even ''re used'' American bands' riffs and tried to translate the lyrics obviusly changing them a little bit so it sounds good. El patio de Aliz, Tragokorto, 6 voltios, Dopaje, Difonia, Terreviento, Diazepunk, Yankenpunk, La forma, Sincon100cia, Dalevuelta. There's also a big hardcore punk scene but I haven't listened to a lot of bands of that genre. There are good compilations like Tu mama calata (Punk rock/Garage rock) and Muere a los 80s, nuestro tiempo es ahora (Hardcore punk/Crust punk).