Nah they just don't know shit. I love how in the Internet era, when you can listen to literally whatever you want out of millions of brilliant artists, they still cling on to the like 4 max classic overused rock bands. Just silly
@@YouGotTheMelvin exactly this. If you claim "there's no good music anymore" you simply dont look. You're not going to find new music by listen to back in black again and again and again. I find new artists that I love every week lol
Lol fr especially cause they deride people for listening to "shitty modern pop music" but then they listen to even shittier, dated old radio pop music from the 60s and 70s but think it's cool cause they call it "classic rock"
It's true about djent fans. When I saw Meshuggah about ten years ago, some stranger with a rudimentary grasp of the English language turned to me and said "This is fun, We are friends." and hugged me. That pretty much summarized the vibe.
I also get this with Iron Maiden fans. When I was in Europe, I would go a day in my favourite NotB and have at least 1 or 2 strangers flash me the devil horns, talk to me about maiden, etc. It was really nice seeing so much positivity!
When I lived in New York, I was on the train on my way to a show in New Jersey that's pretty out of the way from public transport. I think I was either going to see Animals as Leaders or Between the Buried and Me, I don't even remember which show that was lol. These two fans noticed my Periphery T-shirt and gave me a ride to and back from the venue to the train station. That part, I'm never gonna forget 😌
Multiple times on this channel this guy has reminded us that young folks (especially young girls) are just innocent kids that are way enthusiastic about bands we don't care about, and we should just leave them be. It's sometimes easy to forget that.
It's a bit more difficult when they swarm your Twitter account after one of them randomly found your "this band sucks" comment that wasn't aimed nor tweeted at them.
I think this applies to young kids in general, the whole reason why they're in school all day and not welding or in in pre-med is because they're ignorant AF about basically everything, which is fine as that is part of what makes childhood happy and adulthood filled with pragmatists/pessimists. So I give their taste in music a pass, and if anything offer educational advice or information; just like you'd tell them not to strip the F-ing bolt on an oil pan or not why you can't run 10 kitchen appliances at once.
The local bands only fandom. The ones that automatically dismiss any band as “butt rock” that’s had any sort of mild/moderate success outside of their local bar scene.
I find it odd that you never mentioned the Boomer Soft Rock fandom that almost endlessly love to lecture you on how bands like Toto, Steely Dan, and Eagles are elite musicians and everything else is crap
I won't diss any of those bands as my Dad likes them and I like the Eagles, but my Dad says he just remembers that when they were new on the radio during good times in his life, and the Eagles just did good songs in my opinion. But we both definitely prefer the heavier bands
@@samod7550 Oh, Steely Dan, for sure. Toto as well. It’s just some of their fans just love to dick ride them almost incessantly, it’s annoying. Not saying that there isn’t any elite players in Yacht Rock, that goes without saying. But the fandom is just irritating
Refused, Radiohead, At the Drive-In.... not even 2 minutes in and my whole musical taste is attacked... that's how I know it's going to be a great video
Dude, I think you kinda proved him wrong. I mean if you were who he said you were, you'd be writing some 5 page essay about how wrong he is and how all those bands are the top of the food chain for rock. I applaud good sir.
DGD fan boy here; definitely an accurate assessment of us as a whole. Love your insights the industry Finn, don't think I've ever watched a video and not learned something.
I’m a punk/hardcore guy first - but I started getting a lot into Death Metal and Black Metal about 7 years ago. I was apprehensive about going to small venue metal shows by myself, but I actually found the metalheads really welcoming. I was super surprised. The really nerdy Black Metal kids were super friendly. Probably just because I’m in Canada and everyone is just more polite lol
I feel like it's really important to distinguish between the pretentious, holier than thoug elitist types who look down their noses at people, and the people who have just been so deeply touched by a band's music that they might blabber on passionately encouraging someone else to give it a shot. Very different, even if the latter is somewhat annoying as well lol
I had a GOOD chuckle at this as a longtime Tool fan because I absolutely used to be one of the, "Tool isn't music; it's an experience" type of people. Now, I just giggle at my old self and listen to it because it's fun.
I don't think what kids listen to these days is music. Like the crap I hear my 9yo listen to. BUT I also remember older ppl saying that same thing to me when I was young! Seriously though, rap/pop these days takes very little talent than the music did when I was young. Like NIN, Type O Negative, Duran Duran, Devo, Alice in Chains. All were pioneers in music. Now it's copy/paste music. which is why I look forward to Christmas every year. For a whole month I get to hear actual music being played on the radio or shopping.
U forgot any deathcore fans.. “Lol u call this heavy? This is not even heavy bro. Why don’t u listen to (*insert cringe generic deathcore band name*) now THATS heavy.”
Damn that was my little bro a while back. He thought Pantera was not heavy at all and wondering how Metallica is even supposed to be metal. Then he listened to stuff like Braindrill... 🤮 Thankfully he has changed 😄
Lol totally true, but then also the metalheads who like criticize Suicide Silence for being talentless and repetitive but then think that Cannibal Corpse is the best thing ever.
Bruh, they ain't toxic, the memes we get out of that are top tier. The one of the hipster in the Swans "Public castration is a good idea" posing with Carly is fucking gold lmao
I think the most common issue with the more negative fandoms talked about here is a lack of care for the music landscape as a whole. Like, how a Tool fan can’t be bothered to check out any other prog bands who have either inspired them or come in their wake, or a J. Cole fan who says that trap is “killing” rap music but hasn’t listened to a song by Denzel Curry or JID. Just overall disregard for viewing any contemporary of the field who might challenge their perception of the landscape of the scene.
Yeah, I think it's the elitism that any individual's particular favourite band/genre is the Best and everything else is just automatically dismissed without even listening to them that's annoying. I don't personally vibe with country music but I'm not going to claim that the artists lack talent or that the fans are stupid. It's just not my thing but if it's someone else's thing, then cool.
"you didn't write the song you just pressed play on it" a line every gate keeper/elitist needs to hear, from personal experience I have to say that the skatepunk fandom in 2020 is pretty chilled out for the most part and tbf has been since the genre dropped off in 2004/05, yes we know none of the bands we like are doing anything groundbreaking and the scene is essentially jogging in place but we like our fast drum beats and melodic vocals and if we get to see bands playing it in a venue that costs less than the price of a pint to get into so be it, most of us are over the age of 30 and have mortgages and shit anyway so the cheaper the better
@@MrHoliday2usir Djent is an onomatopoeia for a certain tone on an extended scale guitar often with amp modeling. The playing style is highly syncopated start-stop riffs that end up sounding somewhat machine-like. It's really hard to define without referencing Meshuggah. The sound influenced bands like Periphery, Tesseract, Sikth, Vildjharta, Animals as Leaders etc.
@@MrHoliday2usir At first it was one band who did that and that was their schtick. It influenced other metal bands but more indirectly. Then in the mid 2000s a small community formed doing bedroom metal influenced by Meshuggah but blended with hardcore, electronic, and hooky melodies. Periphery is the best known of this scene, but it did explode and actually get very oversaturated very fast. Standouts in my opinion besides the originator: Periphery, Tesseract, Sikth, Vildjharta, Animals as Leaders, Monuments. Like I said there are actually a whole lot and there's a lot of variation within the genre but you'll understand the underlying thing if you listen to a few of them.
I have a somewhat funny “fan girl” story…I’ve always been into the “rock” genre/scene. I used to go to tons of shows, from large scale to local. So when my aunt surprised my much younger cousin with Justin Bieber tickets (back when he was just starting out and still a kid himself), and asked me if I would take her, I bragged in the weeks leading up that I’d get her right up in the front because I was a “pro” at it and in much more aggressive crowds. Guess what, though. Those Justin Bieber fans girls weren’t having it. I didn’t get my cousin anywhere close to that stage lmao.
Funnyfarts53 lol I say like whatever you like. I like Lamb of God. I also like Harry Styles. Sometimes I wanna listen to Black Flag. Other times, All Time Low. I just listen to what I like and what I’m in the mood for. Fuck elitists. Listen to what you like. Life is too short to be worried about labels and genres and whatnot.
Speaking as a Tool fan, the thing that chaps my ass the most about the fanatics is their obsessive focus on Maynard. Last I checked there were 3 other guys in the band too.
Hi, it’s me! I’m the one un-ironic Limp Bizkit fan! Wes Borland is a really talented guitarist and song writer! John Otto is very underrated as a percussionist. I do not own a red hat. I’m a teacher in Iowa.
I love Midwest emo! Split Lip, Gauge, Manumission, Chino Horde, Current, Ordination of Aaron, Castor, Mainspring, Constatine Sankathi, Ten Boy Summer, Roosevelt's Inaugural Parade, Friction, None Left Standing, Harriet The Spy, William Martyr 17...there's so much good stuff!
I don't know who needs to hear this, but stop basing your entire personality on the fact that you listen to Tool. Sincerely, - A life-long Tool fan who just wants to enjoy the music without feeling guilty.
My best freind did that in sixth grade and told me I was dumb for liking deftones more. 😆. I love both bands. Not so much the new tool album and half of deftones albums but love em both.
I read your comment before he said that and I was like "dude, shut up. they're are about the same level in fame" but then I realize he was talking about their music being on the same level and yeah, I love The Strokes way more but most of their music is just catchy, simple, fun stuff. Maybe he only listened to Pablo Honey and thought that's all Radiohead does
@@ErimlRGG gotta disagree, Radiohead definitely make more complex music but that doesn’t mean the strokes only make simple music, last 3 albums and even the lead of the most popular song, reptilia showcases that
Shout out to the strain of Pantera fans who shit on anything that came out in the 30 years since Vulgar. "Let's bring back 'real' metal". Finn swinging for the fences by name checking Thr*ce in this one. Stay safe man.
I feel like I fall in the minority.... but I loved their glam stuff! Power Metal is my all time favorite Pantera record :) It’s got that cheesey 80’s shred vibe kinda like Racer X and Yngwie Malmsteen
I think i know what you mean by that. These are the guys that also like Lamb of god and Slipknot but not too many more bands. These are also the idiots that yell "fucking slayer"
As a big babymetal fan, the fandom is very.. weird😅 I had an instagram page where i posted mostly babymetal pictures and stuff like that. One day someone dm'ed me and asked if i wanted to talk about babymetal and i of course said yes, bad idea😀 A few days passed and he had already given me weird vibes, he would say how much he loved them. Especially moa-metal. Then one day we were talking like normal and suddenly he asked me if i wanted pictures of HER FEET🙃
That's only the first three or four minutes of the song, then the riff comes in more angry with palm muting and then after that comes a full 11.2358 seconds of silence and then the weird harmonic wail solo over some kind of stoner enrapturing polymetric drum and bass arrangement
When it came to the “I’m too smart” group, I’m really truly shocked that you didn’t mention The Mars Volta… I loved them so much back in the day, but their HARDcore fans were truly unfreakingbearable lol.
You are exactly right lmao. They are fun to watch live though, was able to see them back in 07 I believe? And yeah my friends were completely unbearable back then. Asking to see my iPod and being “completely impressed” I had the mars Volta on my iPod and “not just The Widow” lollll
@@lisalove991 Lmao I’m 100% with you on that one. I saw them in 2004 right after they’d just released ‘Deloused’, and gad dayum… as much as the album deserved the praise it did, it just automatically produced the most pretentious sect of Emo’nians I think I’ve ever seen in my life. Everyone there looked exactly the same - but still, everyone was 1000x smarter than everyone else there because they ‘Understood what the music was _actually_ saying apart from what everyone else was hearing. I still love that band, but I lost all respect for their fan base on pretty much one of their first concerts ever haha 😂
@@Vikanuck hahaha yeah exactly. I remember a good friend of mine that I would hang out with on weekends and I’ve known for like 20 years now, we brought up the mars Volta back in like 2016 and started singing one of their songs together while we were drunk and it was one of their songs that was in Spanish, so we probably sounded like idiots to other people but that’s probably the best memory I have for the mars Volta. Reminds me of the kids in high school that thought they were better than you for various reasons. Their concert at bill graham on NYE in 07 was completely EPIC though 😉
The nicest fandom I’ve seen is the death metal community as of recently they just want to enjoy the music and have a good time and don’t give a shit how you come dressed to a show
Depends on where you are on the internet. On RUclips and Reddit they're pretty nice, but the Pinterest/Tumblr crowd in my experience can be horrible (shipping the Way brothers, if you're not emo you're not valid, for example). For the most part they've been nice to me though
@@KickflipGnasty Meanwhile thrash fans deliberately try to look like they sleep in a dumpster... I've never known any black metallers to enjoy chocolate milk, either. I think you just made that up.
@Reclusiarch Grimaldus Not really. They are elitists AF. I grew up in Gothenburg and hung out with quite a few of the old school Swedish BM bands. Dark Funeral, Marduk etc. They where elitist.
I use to work a lot of security gigs in the early 2000s for concert venues and Ive been to a fair amount of shows myself and I would say the nicest yet still kind of obsessed fandom is definitely symphonic metal fans. They are really passionate about their bands and they for the most part I think with Nightwish being the main band in the stable are just like absolutely ecstatic for new people discovering their music.
By my username you can probably tell that I'm a little bit biased, but I listen to a very wide variety of music, and I couldn't agree more. Go look at any Nightwish reaction video (of which there are a million of them, especially Ghost Love Score from Wacken which surely has to be one of the most reacted to videos on the internet by now because of how shocking Floor's vocals are) and you will see two things on basically every single video, legions of fans that are genuinely absolutely thrilled to see someone discovering Nightwish for the first time, and a long message to the reviewer from Gabriel the "resident Nightwish welcomer" lmao. They're literally organized about it, once people figure it out they'll all show up to welcome the reviewer and thank them for giving Nightwish a listen, they can be a little obsessive about it but it's also really sweet and Nightwish is still a pretty underrated band that pretty much anybody should be able to listen to a few songs and even if it's not their cup of tea will at the very least be blown away by how good they are.
That was definitely me in high school, and I'm so happy that Myspace kinda disappeared so I don't have to see it. I still love RTJ, Aesop, and Eyedea, but acting like that's "real rap" is fucking retarded, and brings up the issue of suburban white kids deciding what "real rap" is. There's a time and a place for everything. Sometimes I want Darktime Sunshine, sometimes I want Big K.R.I.T., but I don't wanna hear "Labor Days" in a fucking club.
Tyler Leeson Dark Time Sunshine! 👏🏼🙌🏼 I saw Orry and Zavala open for Aesop like 10 years ago before I ever heard of them and I fell in love. Anything Orry does is gold. And totally agree with you. Eyedea, Sadistik, and Aesop was my musical life when I was younger and what I used to consider; “real rap”. So glad that’s not me anymore.
Tyler Leeson I get you, man!!! I went through my underground hip hop phase too!! Mostly shit that came from Rhymesayers Entertainment. lol. I still love eyedea and stuff don’t get me wrong.
I love dream theater but when I went to see them live I felt so awkward, felt like I was at an insurance conference, but I blocked it out and still can enjoy the music 😂
I discovered Dream Theater years ago with Octavarium and fell in love with them but quickly started to realize that the fan base was annoying as shit, basing this off what I had seen on various forums and such back in the day but when I finally went to see them with my dad a few years ago I met a lot of people at various points of the night and everyone was really nice and down to earth. Everyone was nerding out and rambling on about their favorite albums, the 12 Step Suite and the whole nine, and not a single person was the least bit snobbish. That was when I realized that the most annoying elitists you hear on the internet can sometimes simply be the loudest and most annoying aspect of a fan base but are far less in number and not as representative of the group as it might appear, they simply feel the need to talk over everyone else and you remember that annoying elitist asshole far more than you remember all the other guys that are like "Oh yeah DT rocks bro, good shit!" I know there are definitely a lot of those assholes out there of course, but it's not nearly as much as stereotypically assumed sometimes. I also expected James to sound terrible but he actually sounded fantastic, I was surprised by a lot that night lmao.
@@Nightwishmaster it makes me annoyed when people whine about Kevin Moore being so amazing, when he left in 1994, and they claim that everything pales to Images and Words lol.
@@psychedelicfright85 I personally don't understand how someone could listen to Scenes From a Memory or Octavarium and say that but to each their own, Images and Words is great but was only the beginning, not the end in my opinion.
lol They didn't do acid. They just watched some Tool vids and thought they did acid. I do love Tool though but I don't care about any of that fibonacci bullshit or their neat time signatures. It just sounds cool and their lyrics are cool. They aren't that deep and they don't try to make deep music to the point of being pretentious. Their fans project this pretentiousness onto the band and that just turns so many people off. Tools just a cool dark rock band.
They're my favorite band haha but they have been for many years and one of the main reasons is because I enjoy jamming out to them on guitar or bass! Buuut I'd be lying if I didn't admit to having obsessive moments regarding Tool (i.e., showing somebody Tool and them not liking it, causing me to explain to them that they must think again hahaha).. Lmao. But I can gladly say over the years I've chilled out with that sort of thing haha
@@escherpainting8622 Don't worry about a-holes like me, unless I perfectly described you or someone else does. Somebody could make fun of a lot of my favorite music.
The worst with Tool fans is that... they tend to ignore the bands Tool themselves consider major: King Crimson, Rush, the Melvins, etc. If you want to pretend you're the smartest around because you listen to Tool, at least be as open-minded as the band you worship.
Lol I'm both a recent Tool fan and a black metal fan. I especially think it's sad that black metal is so elitist because I think it's a genuinely brilliant genre and holy shit I've found some music within it that has blown me away this year. Recently discovered Nargaroth and I have lost count just how many times I have listened to the song "spectral visions of mental warfare". Omg. What a fantastic song. The lyrics are so beautiful and the structure of the song makes me float away everytime I listen to it. Especially love the throat singing segment. Wish more people did that in metal in general. But yeah. Haven't really been able to find anyone to talk to about black metal because either I run into elitists who mock me for not knowing a lot about the genre or I run into people who don't care about black metal and/or aren't interested in talking about it. So frustrating xD but yeah. People should really chill with the elitism. It's not a pretty look and it hurts the genre or band you claim to love. As for Tool, I had zero idea that their fans were obnoxious. My close colleague turned me into a Tool fan this year and we listen to them regularly when we work on projects. It's pretty chill :D the other day we had a moment where we watched an 11 minute video where you see the drummer play Pneuma. That was very enjoyable! Generally the drumming in Tool is so frigging cool :D for me it's on the same level of cool that I feel for Tomas Haake and Joey Jordison when he was in Slipknot. Very enjoyable :D
dude. YES. Finn is the GOAT when it comes to naming obscure genres or categories that have never been named yet - and its a thing and you know its a thing and you can't quite put your finger on that THING whatever that thing is, and then he says something like, for example in this video "NPR RAP", and your third eye opens and you're like "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! THAT'S IT! THAAAAAT'SS IIIIT!!!! THE THING!!! THAT'S WHAT IT IS!!" I've seen it happen at least 5 times.
I’d argue that Run The Jewels is the success story of two hip hop figures who know the hip hop world very well and unlike rock, the support up and coming artists. Both El-P and Killer Mike were huge figures in theirlocal scenes but struggled greatly to break out their cities for most of their careers. Killer Mike is a true representative of the dirty south, and ElP created the indie rap scene They got success when they united. Now with that success, Killer Mike has used his star power and money to help young rappers. He advocated for 21 Savage’s release when he was jailed by immigration. I can’t see Imagine Dragons doing that for a young indie rocker
While this is true, fame and success has changed Mike (not el-p so much), he plays his part in pushing certain agendas and now praises people he once rapped about being part of the problem just because the social culture has changed to where his audience wants certain people praised Don't get me wrong, he still does a ton of good, there is still a ton of truth in a lot of his lyrics and I still respect Mike, but he has learned he has to play the game to a certain degree to maintain that level of fame
I wonder how much the perception of My Chemical Romance fans has changed with the extent to which so many of us are older and not as fangirl-y. I wasn't particularly an MCR fangirl, but I was very much a Motley Crue fangirl in middle school (this was 2008, mind you - I was the teenage girl screaming out their names in a nosebleed seat while surrounding by grown adults.) It's an interesting situation where teenagers still discover My Chemical Romance, but a lot of us are just grown adults who love the band and may look like we stepped out of a Hot Topic store circa 2005 when seeing them live.
@@SAPANNow I think it’s because they changed their sound over the course of time and some fans preferred their older stuff and they looked down on the fans of the newer stuff.
Calm down.... Even over exaggeration has a limit. Mustaine fans stick to one idea - Mustaine is better than all the four members of Metallica. That's it.
@@andrewbentz8894 You mean like David Gilmour fans, Adam Jones fans, Steven Wilson fans, Steve Harris fans, Dimebag fans, Jimmy Page fans, Dave Lombardo fans and so many more?
When I was in junior high I was absolutely certain only classic rock, pre 1990, was good music. Eventually I tried listening to Tool, SOAD, Modest Mouse and others which snapped me out of that toxic mentality. Imagine all the amazing new music I would have missed out on if I only listened to Zeppelin and Floyd for the rest of my life. BORING
I love the weird crossover that seems to exist between fans of metal music and fans of Modest Mouse. I grew up listening to SOAD, Deftones, Tool, and despite sounding nothing like my usual suspects, when I gave MM a chance beyond their spate of hits in early 00's I felt right at home.
Eric Ridenour for sure but this particular video is rock focused. If he covered other genres too this would be one LONG ass video. That’s all I’m sayin.
Tool's lyrics are what get me tbh. Music is music. Sounds you like or dont. The lyrical content is what really either engages people or makes them think its pretentious trash or w/e
I legit listen to everything, and when I say that people have replied "so you only listen to metal but you want to pretend to be cultured" like, no I'm just passionate about all forms of music lmao
I don't listen to everything personally, tho I feel like I listen to a bit of a wider variety of genres than the average person. I've felt tempted in the past to answer the "What music do you listen to?" question with "Everything" just cause it's easy and makes me feel sophisticated, but as time went by I realize whenever anyone says they listen to everything 99% of the time it's just people who listen to a few of the most popular bands in each of about 5 genres. In realizing I'm one of those people, I think I'm gonna promise myself to never EVER say that I "Listen to everything." For a person who is genuinely passionate and invested in music it's not something that should just be thrown around, and at the end of the day I don't think I even could listen to everything because there's hundreds of genres and whenever I discover something new, like a subgenre or even a band, I get caught up on it for weeks or months at a time. So I'm never actually gonna listen to everything, and I've realized it's feels kinda pretentious to claim that I do.
I know this is late, but just had to comment that "hardcore kids" always were the biggest assholes at pretty much every show I've ever been to. You may have had a different experience because of the way you look but as someone who has always looked pretty goth and would get called an emo kid because of it, they were always the worst kinds of people. They're literally just an alt version of dude bros at parties that try and fight everyone, but with camo shorts on.
As much as I love hardcore, you’re absolutely right. In the early 2000s there used to be hardcore crews, but here in LA County, the gangs would handle them. Lmao😂
There were a lot of hyperaggressive meatheads for sure, and some who seemed intent on hurting people, but I've also encountered some of the most respectful, down to earth and chill people in that crowd.
I got clipped in the nuts by one of these idiot's "dancing" at a local show and my from then on my opinion of Hardcore invisible person fighting dances were stupid and anyone performing such acts should be locked in a air tight room and force fed farts and only farts through some ventilation system for 3 days straight.
This. HXC has always had the worst fans, from guys punting generic punk bands cause of a tacked on message (which definitely isn't there as a marketing tool) or the jock stereotype above. Sure there are nice people, but the same as with every other genre.
There’s a lot of people who use the genre as a front for hate and violence, a lot of bands included in that, but as other people expressed, some of the most incredible and genuine people I’ve ever met came out of the hardcore music scene. I think there’s just toxicity everywhere. (I’ve had very similar experiences to you, so I’m definitely not invalidating your feelings, I’ve just been on both sides of the fence.)
Was gonna say that myself. I've had to defend myself from dmb fans since the 90s because they bore the shit out of me. Its prog rock for people who don't know what prog rock is. But dmb fans just will never let you not like them.
I had a pretty hardcore DMB phase like 20 years ago. I still have some fond memories of early Dave but I haven’t followed them for years. This is definitely true though. Bit of a deadhead vibe to it.
I LOVE SDRE. I got to see them when I was 14/15 and I will never be the same. Jermey got frustrated and smashed his guitar. It was beautiful. I don’t pat myself on the back for liking them though haha. I just get super excited when I meet someone else who listens to them.
honestly as a former fangirl type person i can definitely agree that it be like that. you didn't discuss it much but as an insider it wasn't JUST idol worship happening in those fan groups. i distinctly remember the twenty one pilots fandom in about 2016 being downright toxic at points. Regional at best (possibly their second worst album now bc of scaled and icy) was worshipped like it was somehow the best album in existence despite the fact that one of the songs on it to this day creeps me out lyrically due to the context and about half of the tracks have aged like fine piss (both in terms of lyrics and production). there was also the reading festival situation, where tyler (the frontman) decided to crowdsurf as he usually does and the crowd started ripping his top off and i believe one of his shoes got stolen by someone also i can't talk about how weird 2016 emo fandoms were without mentioning the trinity but in particular my chem for this one. MCR's music is pretty good on my opinion but holy SHIT the fandom was bad. usually, i can ignore shipping in these kinds of fandoms simply because it's younger teen girls who don't really understand much about the world. but holy fuck it was bad in MCR's fandom because frank and gerard were seen as stirring the pot a little bit in the mid 2000s AND because there were actual siblings in the band. add onto that how much the band has been doing weird ass merch lately (not rammstein collector's edition weird, releasing funko pops and those stupid ass blindbox figures that haunt me and a collab with lootcrate weird) and it just feels a bit icky. i think the shipping situation has calmed down a bit but the merch situation definitely hasn't unfortunately.
Also the “old school metal is the best metal” guys they can be beyond brutal to teens and chicks getting into metal, always asking to name 15 songs and the last 2 bassists of the band on the persons t shirt
Yesterday while i was running I saw a dude wearing a Cradle of filth shirt, the rest of his outfit and his friend would tell me he doesn't actually know what the hell hes wearing. No point in engaging or making fun of him to his face. I did audibly laugh when i saw him, but i couldnt help it.
@Luke no reason to be an ass to them about it tell them who the band is and maybe theyll get into the band after trying it but being a jerk about it will push them away
Me neither. I feel like they got lumped in because of the "prog" thing, I guess. I've met fans who are a little 'too into' the band, if you can call that a fault. Overall most Coheed fans I've met have been pretty chill, if not a little awkward. Never experienced any of that "you just don't 'get' it bro" attitude toward someone criticizing the band.
Same those of us among the fence all just love and appreciate the glory that is coheed. I feel like he was just trying to trigger us but too bad we all just like good music
Same. Every show of theirs I’ve been to, people pull me to the front railing because I’m short and they protect me from pushers and crowd surfers. I will say some in the fan page can be shitty, but I’ve never met one in person. Other than my ex that I showed Coheed to who became a “die hard fan” but doesn’t know anything about weerd science and prizefighter inferno
@@christopherbell4543 Second Stage Turbine Blade is awesome, but I lost interest after that. I saw them play back in 2003-2004. Their set was one of the best I've ever seen at a DIY show.
Those things you said about djent fans at the end made me feel really nice. -Sincerely, a mechanical engineer djent fan who is watching this video at work .
17 minutes of worst fandom and no word about straight edge movement? You have any idea how many people I've pissed off by buying a beer at a Youth of Today show?
There are some that are the worst in a *LOT* of someone's eyes though... I've got a feeling you were talked about at least once in the video, could I be correct in saying this? Haha
Yep. And we can see in these comments a lot of people themselves being rude and obnoxious but they think they're the "normal ones" and mocking the "weirdos". Sigh
Depending on what ska scene you're looking at, you can find yourself in the best or worst fandoms. lemme tell you how annoying it is to have a bunch of 45 year old white dudes in fred perrys gatekeep you on not knowing "real ska"
When I was thinking of fandoms, ska was the first that came to mind. I've always loved being able to geek out about ska bands with people at shows or just meeting random people. In the last couple years it feels like there are tons of new ska bands popping up. It's like a 4 wave is coming!
I know this is kinda lame of me to do, but have you ever heard of Saves The Day's song At Your Funeral? That song is just begging for a ska punk cover by you. Love your work, seriously.
Gatekeeping for "true ska music" just seems so opposite to the feeling and vibe of Ska. To me it seems to be about having fun and making fun of yourself and lifes misfortunes. Btw love the channel man.
@@harrybaldwin3 If that's true for US Ska, I hope all these new fans help rediscover Bim Skala Bim. They are the great unknown US Ska band, and I'm not just saying that because the bassist is an old friend(Mark Ferranti).
Funny story when I was in high school a A classmate was talking about a perfect circle and how much of a tool fan he was and I made a simple joke" what about a perfect square"( I was in high school so so yes lame jokes) And he threatened to kick my ass if I made fun of him again lol
Wow I’d love to listen to a album with you a time or two lmao Seriously though same vibe I can’t help it I was a nu metal kid with his hand dipped and dripped in every genre 😁
I heard OK Computer in full for the first time a couple months ago after I kept seeing it being mentioned as being "the best album of all time" everywhere, and like... It's good, but not *that* good lol. It's kinda overrated for what it actually offers.
I don’t understand his opinion on this. Explain to me how albums like Kid A and The King of Limbs are the “Olive Garden” of music. It’s not like, off the deep end experimental, but it’s not even approaching conventional pop. I feel like Finn heard The Bends once and thought he knew the whole story
@@dclarkmusic yep, when he said "predictable and basic stuff" talking about Radiohead i was like... bruh wtf hahahaha i don´t want to be that Radiohead fan but damn,that´s simply wrong.
As a KPop and Rock fan myself I have to agree that atleast the KPop fans are insane , I didn't know Babymetal fans were that way , I'm a Babymetal fan myself and I would hope people would say I'm chill about them and it doesn't surprise me that they used to lipsync
Billie Ellish fans are even worse, faking depression cause they think it's cool and writing death threats to anyone who insults her music , seriously grow the fuck up
I have the theory that there are only 2 types of babymetal fan(obviously there are a lot of exceptions) The adult man: which is like the equivalent of a Brony (it will mean that because BABYMETAL is not very "" masculine "" or metal it has to defend because it likes him, as much as possible) The Loona fan: found babymetal by accident and it is one of his first if not his first approach to heavy music and basically acts as you would expect from a Loona fan (does edits, fancams, "Moa-Metal sumpremacy🛐" or at least consume that kind of content)
@@chokolat762 i found baby metal in a " 10 weird sub genres of metal". Not crazy about the singing but damn the band blows me away. Id definitely defend them as a metal band but thats about it
I love J-Rock/metal, the credible acts anyway! The "Kami band" /Baby Metal's backing band, dont really need the whole idols up front thing..very cheesy
I love Deftones, but my god the people that just ramble on and on about having sex to Deftones or orgasming every time Chino speaks are so cringe. Edit : Also people that ramble on about passed away band members (The rev, Chi Cheng, Cliff Burton etc.) I don’t have a problem with the band members, I don’t have a problem with paying respects, I’d have more of a problem if someone didn’t but my god people that don’t shut up about them and make every single conversation about a band about this member or how much better the band was before are seriously annoying.
There could be worst things to talk about. I love deftones and it's fanbase. i think they're the least judgemental and most welcoming so i disagree with them being annoying
Ian Jurica Yeah, non-existent, unless Foo Fighters drop the occasional new album that’s big for a week until Justin Bieber cries about it online because he wants his album on top of the charts
Ian Jurica You mean modern mainstream rock on the charts. Underground bands have been killing it the last few years, and metal in particular has been absolutely amazing. If you think rock has to be a monolith with the big bands selling millions of records to be "good," let alone rehashing the sounds of the '70s and '80s like nothing has changed, I don't know what to tell you, but trust me, loud guitar music still has quite an audience.
Feels like peckerwoods are basically what people stereotyped ICP to be (before everyone realized juggalos are generally super misunderstood), but for real this time and with a white supremacist twist
It's crazy. I love circa Survive, but I have never encountered a circa surviva fan IRL or online because I just listen to music and do not really make it my life, but I could talk about them the way you described, lol.
I was going to be insulted by the Tool fandom comments, but then I remembered all the "lectures" I got from the dudes who introduced me to them years ago. I wasn't allowed to just think the music and lyrics were dope, I had to understand the mathematical underpinnings blah blah blah. The key to good art that people forget is there is no right or wrong way to engage with it, if you like to dig into the deeper themes that's great but just enjoying the music because it makes your ears happy is equally valid.
Personally, as part of the Linkin Park fandom, it is very tight knit and most people there are true fans and not complete assholes There are a lot of graphic designers and other artists and the lp underground community and chat are amazing and really supportive of everyone. The Paramore fan base is also good, mostly in the discord which is a chaotic mess ,but a fun chaotic mess
Every Smiths fan I've ever known has always been overly sensitive and offended by everything, they take all criticism of media they like as personal attacks. It's like they have no personality other than the media they consume
Here in Costa Rica have the "Trashers" as we like to call them, the incorrect spelling on that is on purpose BTW, they listen to the same bands including but not limited to Sepultura, Mayhem, Bathory, Slayer, Immortal, Municipal Waste, Overkill, Motorhead, Danzig and others. The worst part about them is that when they jump into a conversation about music if you are talking about bands that they don't enjoy you are considered not a "True" Metal fan. Also it's quite annoying to have them next to you in a line for a gig or show since they are permanently wasted and most of them don't have jobs so they go and camp outside of the venue to be the first in line which causes them to be quite stinky by the day of the actual show.
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You should put out a shirt with just a chart on it lol
Can we get a part 2?
New challenge: check out a french band called Igorrr and try to figure oit what sort of fandom do they have... 🤔
@@rogeriocorreia1901 or Thy Catafalque
Digging the Cold as Life footy, was probably at that show..... Looks like the Stick...
Classic rock fans, who say "no good music after 19xx" can be pretty annoying too!
The shittiest
Nah they just don't know shit. I love how in the Internet era, when you can listen to literally whatever you want out of millions of brilliant artists, they still cling on to the like 4 max classic overused rock bands. Just silly
@@YouGotTheMelvin exactly this. If you claim "there's no good music anymore" you simply dont look. You're not going to find new music by listen to back in black again and again and again. I find new artists that I love every week lol
Lol fr especially cause they deride people for listening to "shitty modern pop music" but then they listen to even shittier, dated old radio pop music from the 60s and 70s but think it's cool cause they call it "classic rock"
what you dont like it when they tell you Ted Nugent is the greatest rock star ever ?
As a TOOL fan, I agree, we are the worst.
Even Maynard hates us.
@@Safetysealed This is so annoying... a lot of our fan-base seems to be pseudeintellectual. -.-
@Morbid Angel is better than Death Not all of em.
Tool fandom is the Rick and Morty fandom of music.
I say this as a huge former Tool fan. jesus christ.
Tool are a good for a djent band, connor Maynard sounds like the puddle of mud guy
Lol at most of these comments being tool fans admitting we suck
Tool fans: This song is so deep. Hits me in the soul.
Tool: It's a song about butt sex
Mate, when you get that fist deep enough it starts to feel like it's hitting your soul :P
😂😂
Welll... yes. To both. 😅
4°...isn't it?
Prison Sex?
It's true about djent fans. When I saw Meshuggah about ten years ago, some stranger with a rudimentary grasp of the English language turned to me and said "This is fun, We are friends." and hugged me. That pretty much summarized the vibe.
I love that 🤣🤣🤣
Djent. Lol, that term is so gay. Anyway, Meshuggah is maybe the only band that plays that way, that can write good songs too.
How it should be. Unless you’re in the pit😂😂🤘🏼
I also get this with Iron Maiden fans. When I was in Europe, I would go a day in my favourite NotB and have at least 1 or 2 strangers flash me the devil horns, talk to me about maiden, etc. It was really nice seeing so much positivity!
When I lived in New York, I was on the train on my way to a show in New Jersey that's pretty out of the way from public transport. I think I was either going to see Animals as Leaders or Between the Buried and Me, I don't even remember which show that was lol. These two fans noticed my Periphery T-shirt and gave me a ride to and back from the venue to the train station. That part, I'm never gonna forget 😌
Multiple times on this channel this guy has reminded us that young folks (especially young girls) are just innocent kids that are way enthusiastic about bands we don't care about, and we should just leave them be. It's sometimes easy to forget that.
Well said!
It's a bit more difficult when they swarm your Twitter account after one of them randomly found your "this band sucks" comment that wasn't aimed nor tweeted at them.
I agree live and let live. Although being human i have been known to stir it on occasion .
I think this applies to young kids in general, the whole reason why they're in school all day and not welding or in in pre-med is because they're ignorant AF about basically everything, which is fine as that is part of what makes childhood happy and adulthood filled with pragmatists/pessimists.
So I give their taste in music a pass, and if anything offer educational advice or information; just like you'd tell them not to strip the F-ing bolt on an oil pan or not why you can't run 10 kitchen appliances at once.
Wow people criticising 13 year olds for acting childish. You know what is really much worse 50 year olds acting like perceptual teenagers.
"If bad posture had a soundtrack..."
This is the quality content I subscribe to this channel for 👌🏻
This shit had me fkn WEAK
I did NOT ask to be called out like this today 😂
That was easily my favorite line, too.
The local bands only fandom. The ones that automatically dismiss any band as “butt rock” that’s had any sort of mild/moderate success outside of their local bar scene.
“You played in a venue outside the town ? Mainstream !”
All the bands from Gilman’s that shamed Green Day for getting signed
*Southern Illinois* enters the chat
Most local music scene sucks. It's filled with a bunch of jaded douchebags in a bunch of wannabe primadonnas.
We call them forever locals.
I find it odd that you never mentioned the Boomer Soft Rock fandom that almost endlessly love to lecture you on how bands like Toto, Steely Dan, and Eagles are elite musicians and everything else is crap
I won't diss any of those bands as my Dad likes them and I like the Eagles, but my Dad says he just remembers that when they were new on the radio during good times in his life, and the Eagles just did good songs in my opinion. But we both definitely prefer the heavier bands
Lol this is my dad who loves all these bands. When I was listening to emo in its heyday he’d give me drunk lectures about this
Yeah fr that whole yacht rock fandom can be really annoying. However, Steely are in fact objectively elite musicians
@@samod7550 Oh, Steely Dan, for sure. Toto as well. It’s just some of their fans just love to dick ride them almost incessantly, it’s annoying. Not saying that there isn’t any elite players in Yacht Rock, that goes without saying. But the fandom is just irritating
Grateful Dead; Crosby, Stills & Nash; Tom Petty; etc.
Refused, Radiohead, At the Drive-In.... not even 2 minutes in and my whole musical taste is attacked... that's how I know it's going to be a great video
Same - full shocked pikachu face
But can he taylor swift?
get shrek'd mah boi
Correction my music fandom never stopped getting attacked and I loved every second of it.
Dude, I think you kinda proved him wrong. I mean if you were who he said you were, you'd be writing some 5 page essay about how wrong he is and how all those bands are the top of the food chain for rock. I applaud good sir.
Tool fans are the musical version of Rick and Morty fandom
100% true
As a tool fan, I can tell you that tool fans are assholes, and I have memed that fact pretty hard.
Amen to that
Nah, Rick and Morty is hot trash
DGD fan boy here; definitely an accurate assessment of us as a whole. Love your insights the industry Finn, don't think I've ever watched a video and not learned something.
“What’s your favorite band?”
Primus fans: The Red Hot Chili Peppers
Yeah that’s pretty accurate
Say what you will but les claypool is nothing short of a genius
@@RastaMouseOG i agree but when I tell people that primus is my favorite band they have no clue what I'm talking about
@@kajechapman3930
"So you know the South Park intro right?"
I got into FNM and Mr. Bungle due to my severe hatred of the Red Hot Chili Dicks. So I gotta give ‘em credit
I’m a punk/hardcore guy first - but I started getting a lot into Death Metal and Black Metal about 7 years ago. I was apprehensive about going to small venue metal shows by myself, but I actually found the metalheads really welcoming. I was super surprised. The really nerdy Black Metal kids were super friendly. Probably just because I’m in Canada and everyone is just more polite lol
id say your rite , its a Canadian thing, down here we kill over parking spots, cold food , stay north man
I'm in Nova Scotia and wish there were shows like this here. We have nothing for a metal scene where I reside.
Everybody kinda just sticks to themselves. Enjoy
Death metal guys are usually pretty chill
"If bad posture had a soundtrack..."
Immediately straighten my back on the chair
Dude, I was slouching as I heard that and I immediately shed a tear.
Nah. Own it. Check out Esoteric's album A Pyrrhic Existence. For when bad posture becomes immobile on the floor like a living rag doll...
I had Scoliosis before I was even aware of these bands.
I feel like it's really important to distinguish between the pretentious, holier than thoug elitist types who look down their noses at people, and the people who have just been so deeply touched by a band's music that they might blabber on passionately encouraging someone else to give it a shot. Very different, even if the latter is somewhat annoying as well lol
I wasn’t expecting to be targeted multiple times during this video.
Same
Definitely the same here
I feel attacked lmao
Right?!
#metoo
I had a GOOD chuckle at this as a longtime Tool fan because I absolutely used to be one of the, "Tool isn't music; it's an experience" type of people. Now, I just giggle at my old self and listen to it because it's fun.
same :))
I don’t hate any “fandom” just hate the fans who will hate/demean/look down on you if you don’t love the same stuff they do
The look down part cannot be helped, the hate/demean part can tho.
I don't think what kids listen to these days is music. Like the crap I hear my 9yo listen to. BUT I also remember older ppl saying that same thing to me when I was young! Seriously though, rap/pop these days takes very little talent than the music did when I was young. Like NIN, Type O Negative, Duran Duran, Devo, Alice in Chains. All were pioneers in music. Now it's copy/paste music. which is why I look forward to Christmas every year. For a whole month I get to hear actual music being played on the radio or shopping.
Mumble rap sucks though.
That is literally two of my friends who listens to 5 Seconds Of Summer lol
@@Attached-data1 ok boomer you've got a whole database of music at your fingertips yet you continue to whine about "tOdAy'S MuSiC"
U forgot any deathcore fans.. “Lol u call this heavy? This is not even heavy bro. Why don’t u listen to (*insert cringe generic deathcore band name*) now THATS heavy.”
Damn that was my little bro a while back. He thought Pantera was not heavy at all and wondering how Metallica is even supposed to be metal. Then he listened to stuff like Braindrill... 🤮
Thankfully he has changed 😄
That is one of two metal guys I talk to on a Discord server, but less toxic and more just oblivious to second opinion.
Lol totally true, but then also the metalheads who like criticize Suicide Silence for being talentless and repetitive but then think that Cannibal Corpse is the best thing ever.
Caleb Hawk fr
I cant even lie, you just outted me basically
lets talk about Carly Rae Jepsen's fanbase:
a union of 13yr old girls and 28yr old hipster dudes
Bruh, they ain't toxic, the memes we get out of that are top tier. The one of the hipster in the Swans "Public castration is a good idea" posing with Carly is fucking gold lmao
That's awesome.
As a 34 year old male CRJ fan, I'm triggered by this
CRJ is the My Little Pony of music.
Full disclosure, Emotion is a 9/10 album
I think the most common issue with the more negative fandoms talked about here is a lack of care for the music landscape as a whole. Like, how a Tool fan can’t be bothered to check out any other prog bands who have either inspired them or come in their wake, or a J. Cole fan who says that trap is “killing” rap music but hasn’t listened to a song by Denzel Curry or JID. Just overall disregard for viewing any contemporary of the field who might challenge their perception of the landscape of the scene.
Yeah, I think it's the elitism that any individual's particular favourite band/genre is the Best and everything else is just automatically dismissed without even listening to them that's annoying. I don't personally vibe with country music but I'm not going to claim that the artists lack talent or that the fans are stupid. It's just not my thing but if it's someone else's thing, then cool.
@@likepocketsjingling Exactly
I was such a prog-snob when I got into dream theater back in high school. What a tool I was lol
Such a *TOOL*
Man. The horror of being a prog snob but you only know dream theater. I’m sorry. I’m happy you’re better.
@@apothecurio it was DT that got me into prog. Never said it was all I knew lol
Same lmao one who really loved (and still does) tool and dream theater. I think they’re excellent to this day because I like how they sound.
same here bro jajajsa
"you didn't write the song you just pressed play on it" a line every gate keeper/elitist needs to hear, from personal experience I have to say that the skatepunk fandom in 2020 is pretty chilled out for the most part and tbf has been since the genre dropped off in 2004/05, yes we know none of the bands we like are doing anything groundbreaking and the scene is essentially jogging in place but we like our fast drum beats and melodic vocals and if we get to see bands playing it in a venue that costs less than the price of a pint to get into so be it, most of us are over the age of 30 and have mortgages and shit anyway so the cheaper the better
I dunno, if you cant spend 30 bucks to see a band, new or old, and afford to buy a pint and a shirt, why fucking bother?
“Djent” a genre that makes monthly royalty payments to Meshuggah
I still don't know what this is lol
@@MrHoliday2usir Djent is an onomatopoeia for a certain tone on an extended scale guitar often with amp modeling. The playing style is highly syncopated start-stop riffs that end up sounding somewhat machine-like. It's really hard to define without referencing Meshuggah. The sound influenced bands like Periphery, Tesseract, Sikth, Vildjharta, Animals as Leaders etc.
@@AbbaZabaoth thanks man, so essentially it's a sub sub genre created by one or a couple bands maybe?
@@MrHoliday2usir At first it was one band who did that and that was their schtick. It influenced other metal bands but more indirectly. Then in the mid 2000s a small community formed doing bedroom metal influenced by Meshuggah but blended with hardcore, electronic, and hooky melodies. Periphery is the best known of this scene, but it did explode and actually get very oversaturated very fast.
Standouts in my opinion besides the originator: Periphery, Tesseract, Sikth, Vildjharta, Animals as Leaders, Monuments. Like I said there are actually a whole lot and there's a lot of variation within the genre but you'll understand the underlying thing if you listen to a few of them.
You just accurately roasted a whole genre.
Props
I have a somewhat funny “fan girl” story…I’ve always been into the “rock” genre/scene. I used to go to tons of shows, from large scale to local. So when my aunt surprised my much younger cousin with Justin Bieber tickets (back when he was just starting out and still a kid himself), and asked me if I would take her, I bragged in the weeks leading up that I’d get her right up in the front because I was a “pro” at it and in much more aggressive crowds. Guess what, though. Those Justin Bieber fans girls weren’t having it. I didn’t get my cousin anywhere close to that stage lmao.
Worst fandom of all time? K-Pop fangirls. Ultra cringe.
But in rock and metal? Probs the “real metal” fans.
Exactly. Someone had a go at me for having an Avatar patch on my vest because the new album had been announced a few days before
Funnyfarts53 lol I say like whatever you like. I like Lamb of God. I also like Harry Styles. Sometimes I wanna listen to Black Flag. Other times, All Time Low. I just listen to what I like and what I’m in the mood for. Fuck elitists. Listen to what you like. Life is too short to be worried about labels and genres and whatnot.
You just hate women probably.
The "true metal" Manowar fans are the cringiest cancer! And I know cause I was one when I was 14 to 17 y.o.
The one that say they hate slipknot, Metallica and any other mainstream band and call them "pop metal"
Speaking as a Tool fan, the thing that chaps my ass the most about the fanatics is their obsessive focus on Maynard. Last I checked there were 3 other guys in the band too.
Yup, I’m a guitarist but I focus more on Danny Carey lol
Yeah every show go to I watch Danny Carrey. How is he that intricate and fast?
Can we all take a minute to appreciate Danny? Lol
The same goes for Danny Carey. No one mentions Adam Jones or Justin Chancellor.
@@guitaraholic83 everyone I know that are fan’s of them do.
Hi, it’s me! I’m the one un-ironic Limp Bizkit fan! Wes Borland is a really talented guitarist and song writer! John Otto is very underrated as a percussionist. I do not own a red hat. I’m a teacher in Iowa.
Hi friend
I can unironically get down with some Bizkit 🤘
I am an unironic Limp Bizkit fan, I know quite a few. Rap metal forever!!
I'm a advid listener of the bizkits myself.
In college I took a course called "the enjoyment of music" and 3 kids did their final projects on tool
Sorry to hear that the rest of you guys failed that class.
My oldest brother's favorite band is Dance Gavin Dance, he even has a sealed vinyl copy of one of their newer albums.
We don't own a vinyl player
I have 3 NIN records ... I have yet to ever own a record player 🙄 This is my Confession...
@@therobotsmademedoit8550 Nah he admitted that he thought we had a vinyl player but we don't
Nothin wrong with supporting the band
It's unopened, he doesn't need a record player...
I currently don't have one either, but I do have some vinyl still haha
As a Midwest emo fan, you totally called me out on my shit. I really need to fix my posture.
Saaaame
I love Midwest emo! Split Lip, Gauge, Manumission, Chino Horde, Current, Ordination of Aaron, Castor, Mainspring, Constatine Sankathi, Ten Boy Summer, Roosevelt's Inaugural Parade, Friction, None Left Standing, Harriet The Spy, William Martyr 17...there's so much good stuff!
kakashi66132 I really love Marietta, camping in Alaska, mallard and a lot more...I’ll have to check out some of your bands
I don't know who needs to hear this, but stop basing your entire personality on the fact that you listen to Tool.
Sincerely,
- A life-long Tool fan who just wants to enjoy the music without feeling guilty.
Everyone keeps going after Tool fans but from my experience Radiohead fans are worse.
@@autisticjesus9224 Also very true.
@@autisticjesus9224 for sure
My best freind did that in sixth grade and told me I was dumb for liking deftones more. 😆. I love both bands. Not so much the new tool album and half of deftones albums but love em both.
@@KT-Buf69 give it 20 years. They will all click :)
Putting Radiohead and The Strokes in the same category is outrageous
Amen.
Fr strokes>>
I read your comment before he said that and I was like "dude, shut up. they're are about the same level in fame" but then I realize he was talking about their music being on the same level and yeah, I love The Strokes way more but most of their music is just catchy, simple, fun stuff. Maybe he only listened to Pablo Honey and thought that's all Radiohead does
@@ErimlRGG gotta disagree, Radiohead definitely make more complex music but that doesn’t mean the strokes only make simple music, last 3 albums and even the lead of the most popular song, reptilia showcases that
Cap guy only knows creep.
Shout out to the strain of Pantera fans who shit on anything that came out in the 30 years since Vulgar. "Let's bring back 'real' metal".
Finn swinging for the fences by name checking Thr*ce in this one. Stay safe man.
I feel like I fall in the minority.... but I loved their glam stuff! Power Metal is my all time favorite Pantera record :) It’s got that cheesey 80’s shred vibe kinda like Racer X and Yngwie Malmsteen
Big Pantera fan, but I hate a lot of Pantera fans for this. They cant enjoy anything after 1992
I think i know what you mean by that. These are the guys that also like Lamb of god and Slipknot but not too many more bands. These are also the idiots that yell "fucking slayer"
@@andysixxlett2632 yeah,.. You are a Minority.
Come on, listen to -Venom & Tears by Throwdown. (Groove) Metal is alive and kicking.
That 11 year old dude who listens to Nirvana and rejects his generation is so annoying
I literally was that kid. Sorry MCR and fall out boy didn't do it for me?
That was me. I grew up to appreciate artists from my generation though.
@@Thomsonthetube love to hear that
2000s emo is still in 2020 the worst shit I will ever hear
I LOVE that dumb kid!
as a Circa Survive fan, I can 100% say that I have no chill when it comes to talking about Circa.
Juturna was pretentious and whiny. Everything after that is good.
Is that why you never mentioned my name to them? Denying us all of the moment
LemonZeppelin sounds like someone got lost in a haunting thought, spinning them around once more.
Think its cause they were fed by hand and caught with force?
Holy shit that band has my SOUL
As a big babymetal fan, the fandom is very.. weird😅 I had an instagram page where i posted mostly babymetal pictures and stuff like that. One day someone dm'ed me and asked if i wanted to talk about babymetal and i of course said yes, bad idea😀 A few days passed and he had already given me weird vibes, he would say how much he loved them. Especially moa-metal. Then one day we were talking like normal and suddenly he asked me if i wanted pictures of HER FEET🙃
How dem feet look? Which one went to the market? Did one stay home?
Too many hows and whys to this story XD. How did he get those specific features? Why did he ask you if you wanted them? How does he know it's her?
Well, Moa these days can attract a lot of weirdos.
Korn fans talk about Korn band members like they went to school with them or something.
Omg they really do. Korn fans are annoying as shit
I'm surprised there r still Korn fans ...didnt age well
or they publicly talk about their traumas on the internet
And they all do that Fieldy bass slap dance
me and the drummer went to different schools together. I actually liked them when I was younger but didn’t last long.
I feel like pretentious Tool fans would hate Coheed.
i resemble that remark
I love both
I saw Pretentious Tool open for Gwar in Durham back in 89.
im a fan of both
I love Tool, but I cannot get into Coheed no matter how I have tried. I like the ideas in their music, I just cannot get into it. No harm no foul.
Tool: *plays one note*
Fans: *OMG that’s deeeep*
Accurate
That's only the first three or four minutes of the song, then the riff comes in more angry with palm muting and then after that comes a full 11.2358 seconds of silence and then the weird harmonic wail solo over some kind of stoner enrapturing polymetric drum and bass arrangement
"Holy shit it was in D# thats an allegory to how Maynard sharpened his dick"
@Andrew Salter to people who so not listen to metal; it all sounds the same.
Goes for Radiohead too.
When it came to the “I’m too smart” group, I’m really truly shocked that you didn’t mention The Mars Volta… I loved them so much back in the day, but their HARDcore fans were truly unfreakingbearable lol.
You are exactly right lmao. They are fun to watch live though, was able to see them back in 07 I believe? And yeah my friends were completely unbearable back then. Asking to see my iPod and being “completely impressed” I had the mars Volta on my iPod and “not just The Widow” lollll
@@lisalove991 Lmao I’m 100% with you on that one. I saw them in 2004 right after they’d just released ‘Deloused’, and gad dayum… as much as the album deserved the praise it did, it just automatically produced the most pretentious sect of Emo’nians I think I’ve ever seen in my life.
Everyone there looked exactly the same - but still, everyone was 1000x smarter than everyone else there because they ‘Understood what the music was _actually_ saying apart from what everyone else was hearing.
I still love that band, but I lost all respect for their fan base on pretty much one of their first concerts ever haha 😂
@@Vikanuck hahaha yeah exactly. I remember a good friend of mine that I would hang out with on weekends and I’ve known for like 20 years now, we brought up the mars Volta back in like 2016 and started singing one of their songs together while we were drunk and it was one of their songs that was in Spanish, so we probably sounded like idiots to other people but that’s probably the best memory I have for the mars Volta. Reminds me of the kids in high school that thought they were better than you for various reasons. Their concert at bill graham on NYE in 07 was completely EPIC though 😉
The nicest fandom I’ve seen is the death metal community as of recently they just want to enjoy the music and have a good time and don’t give a shit how you come dressed to a show
Saw a dude dress as a Teletubby when I went to see Spite.
They just can't stop shitting on deathcore do they I feel the nicest fandom is lofi lol
@@KevinLuper99 WHAT!? LMAO
that'll be because you're going to a death metal show - go to shows of these genres with "bad" fanbases and you'll see that it's just a generalisation
Bro forreal, the same Goliath that is keeping the pit flowing will be the same dude that picks you up if you fall down.
My Chemical Romance has one of the nicest, most supportive fans I’ve ever spoken to! I think they’re pretty great
Depends on where you are on the internet. On RUclips and Reddit they're pretty nice, but the Pinterest/Tumblr crowd in my experience can be horrible (shipping the Way brothers, if you're not emo you're not valid, for example). For the most part they've been nice to me though
@@FabulousKilljoy and on twitter too, I spent like 2-3 months in there and loads of shit happened
nicchan oh yeah stan Twitter is awful
@@neethaii4689 It's pretty much why Gerard and most of the members quit twitter except for Frank. They're vile and aggressive
@@FabulousKilljoy Feel like almost everything on twitter is awful
If you look up ”elitist” in a dictionary, there should be a picture of black metal bands and fans.
@@KickflipGnasty Bro don’t you ever talk shit about Chocolate milk
@@KickflipGnasty Meanwhile thrash fans deliberately try to look like they sleep in a dumpster...
I've never known any black metallers to enjoy chocolate milk, either. I think you just made that up.
If u see elitists u see the word right associated
And all while the genre it's self is ridiculously cartoonish and over the top, I'm a fan but it's hilarious
@Reclusiarch Grimaldus Not really. They are elitists AF. I grew up in Gothenburg and hung out with quite a few of the old school Swedish BM bands. Dark Funeral, Marduk etc. They where elitist.
I use to work a lot of security gigs in the early 2000s for concert venues and Ive been to a fair amount of shows myself and I would say the nicest yet still kind of obsessed fandom is definitely symphonic metal fans. They are really passionate about their bands and they for the most part I think with Nightwish being the main band in the stable are just like absolutely ecstatic for new people discovering their music.
By my username you can probably tell that I'm a little bit biased, but I listen to a very wide variety of music, and I couldn't agree more. Go look at any Nightwish reaction video (of which there are a million of them, especially Ghost Love Score from Wacken which surely has to be one of the most reacted to videos on the internet by now because of how shocking Floor's vocals are) and you will see two things on basically every single video, legions of fans that are genuinely absolutely thrilled to see someone discovering Nightwish for the first time, and a long message to the reviewer from Gabriel the "resident Nightwish welcomer" lmao. They're literally organized about it, once people figure it out they'll all show up to welcome the reviewer and thank them for giving Nightwish a listen, they can be a little obsessive about it but it's also really sweet and Nightwish is still a pretty underrated band that pretty much anybody should be able to listen to a few songs and even if it's not their cup of tea will at the very least be blown away by how good they are.
You know Finn's a punk fan when he thinks 7 minutes is a really long song.
😂 yup
Right? I was like, isn't that about average though?
7 minutes is long, and Tool makes longer songs than that
Henry Martino 7 minutes isnt long lol. a lot of metal songs are 6-7 minutes long
Nah just a rap fan.
"NPR rap" really nails it. It's almost a guarantee that those fans would talk about the "flow" of those rappers completely unprompted.
That was definitely me in high school, and I'm so happy that Myspace kinda disappeared so I don't have to see it. I still love RTJ, Aesop, and Eyedea, but acting like that's "real rap" is fucking retarded, and brings up the issue of suburban white kids deciding what "real rap" is. There's a time and a place for everything. Sometimes I want Darktime Sunshine, sometimes I want Big K.R.I.T., but I don't wanna hear "Labor Days" in a fucking club.
im surprised finn labeled jpeg as one of those, im sure he hates being associated with nerdy white guy shit
As Kendrick said himself,
“If people cared about real rap
Killer Mike would be platinum”
This doesn’t mean that RTJ is the only great hip hop group
Tyler Leeson Dark Time Sunshine! 👏🏼🙌🏼 I saw Orry and Zavala open for Aesop like 10 years ago before I ever heard of them and I fell in love. Anything Orry does is gold. And totally agree with you. Eyedea, Sadistik, and Aesop was my musical life when I was younger and what I used to consider; “real rap”. So glad that’s not me anymore.
Tyler Leeson I get you, man!!! I went through my underground hip hop phase too!! Mostly shit that came from Rhymesayers Entertainment. lol. I still love eyedea and stuff don’t get me wrong.
My girlfriend just dead ass looked at me, while you were referencing the djent Fandom and said, 'awe, they're djentle!'"
djent is djentle
@@joeyclemenza7339
@Yumi Yumi Hey, thanks! lol
@Danny Dircio yer opinion is gold
I love dream theater but when I went to see them live I felt so awkward, felt like I was at an insurance conference, but I blocked it out and still can enjoy the music 😂
I discovered Dream Theater years ago with Octavarium and fell in love with them but quickly started to realize that the fan base was annoying as shit, basing this off what I had seen on various forums and such back in the day but when I finally went to see them with my dad a few years ago I met a lot of people at various points of the night and everyone was really nice and down to earth. Everyone was nerding out and rambling on about their favorite albums, the 12 Step Suite and the whole nine, and not a single person was the least bit snobbish. That was when I realized that the most annoying elitists you hear on the internet can sometimes simply be the loudest and most annoying aspect of a fan base but are far less in number and not as representative of the group as it might appear, they simply feel the need to talk over everyone else and you remember that annoying elitist asshole far more than you remember all the other guys that are like "Oh yeah DT rocks bro, good shit!" I know there are definitely a lot of those assholes out there of course, but it's not nearly as much as stereotypically assumed sometimes. I also expected James to sound terrible but he actually sounded fantastic, I was surprised by a lot that night lmao.
@@Nightwishmaster it makes me annoyed when people whine about Kevin Moore being so amazing, when he left in 1994, and they claim that everything pales to Images and Words lol.
@@psychedelicfright85 I personally don't understand how someone could listen to Scenes From a Memory or Octavarium and say that but to each their own, Images and Words is great but was only the beginning, not the end in my opinion.
@@Nightwishmaster oh I agree. I worded that wrong. I discovered them with an album that fans hate: Train of Thought.
Tool fans are the kind of people who base their entire worldview on what they saw when they did acid one time.
Fucking sooo accurate 😂
lol They didn't do acid. They just watched some Tool vids and thought they did acid. I do love Tool though but I don't care about any of that fibonacci bullshit or their neat time signatures. It just sounds cool and their lyrics are cool. They aren't that deep and they don't try to make deep music to the point of being pretentious. Their fans project this pretentiousness onto the band and that just turns so many people off. Tools just a cool dark rock band.
They're my favorite band haha but they have been for many years and one of the main reasons is because I enjoy jamming out to them on guitar or bass! Buuut I'd be lying if I didn't admit to having obsessive moments regarding Tool (i.e., showing somebody Tool and them not liking it, causing me to explain to them that they must think again hahaha).. Lmao. But I can gladly say over the years I've chilled out with that sort of thing haha
@@escherpainting8622 Don't worry about a-holes like me, unless I perfectly described you or someone else does. Somebody could make fun of a lot of my favorite music.
@@HumanoidMachine Spot on. Couldn’t have stated it better myself.
I think I’m the worst cause I’m a fan of Deftones, glassjaw, dgd and Midwest emo. Damn I need to re-evaluate my life decisions lol
...and posture
@Sam Paget I love how you ask this question as if it's a hard drug. Ok, maybe it _is_ a hard drug but come on
Just like the music you wanna like. Who cares if someone else is critical of it
Listen to what you want to listen to -- just don't be the neckbeard
If you let Finn direct your music choices then you really should re evaluate your life choices;)
The worst with Tool fans is that... they tend to ignore the bands Tool themselves consider major: King Crimson, Rush, the Melvins, etc. If you want to pretend you're the smartest around because you listen to Tool, at least be as open-minded as the band you worship.
Works for Nirvana fans too. "Kurt Cobain's Top 50 favorite albums of all time" might as well be a bucket of piss to the vast majority of them.
I'm a tool fan and I love all metal like I love death metal and I'm not unbearable because I just head bang usually
Tool is a Korn that thinks they are a King Crimson.
@@SpiralDream yeah, not at all
@@laggyshaggy3230 I would have said Helmet, but I thought that'd be too generous.
Lol I'm both a recent Tool fan and a black metal fan. I especially think it's sad that black metal is so elitist because I think it's a genuinely brilliant genre and holy shit I've found some music within it that has blown me away this year. Recently discovered Nargaroth and I have lost count just how many times I have listened to the song "spectral visions of mental warfare". Omg. What a fantastic song. The lyrics are so beautiful and the structure of the song makes me float away everytime I listen to it. Especially love the throat singing segment. Wish more people did that in metal in general. But yeah. Haven't really been able to find anyone to talk to about black metal because either I run into elitists who mock me for not knowing a lot about the genre or I run into people who don't care about black metal and/or aren't interested in talking about it. So frustrating xD but yeah. People should really chill with the elitism. It's not a pretty look and it hurts the genre or band you claim to love.
As for Tool, I had zero idea that their fans were obnoxious. My close colleague turned me into a Tool fan this year and we listen to them regularly when we work on projects. It's pretty chill :D the other day we had a moment where we watched an 11 minute video where you see the drummer play Pneuma. That was very enjoyable! Generally the drumming in Tool is so frigging cool :D for me it's on the same level of cool that I feel for Tomas Haake and Joey Jordison when he was in Slipknot. Very enjoyable :D
Dude, have you seen the drum cam for him playing triad, it’s crazy satisfying
@@StrangerE0ns no I haven't but I will after you mentioned it! Thank You! 🤗
Dude, have you ever listened to Funeral Mist, Taake, or Tsjuder? I hope, but if not... Enjoy!
"Basketball jersey branch of the hard-core scene." lol
So you can’t like hardcore and be an NBA fan?
Tough guys are the worst thing happened to hardcore since its inception lol
You showed my boys in the hardcore part lmao this dude aint lying
Ugh, its like the hockey jerseys or anyone of any genre from Boston but the NYC style.
I think about the Earth Crisis jersey immediately.
Man, Finn's been killing it lately! NPR Rap was the category I'd been struggling to name for the longest time, and your boy nailed it
dude. YES. Finn is the GOAT when it comes to naming obscure genres or categories that have never been named yet - and its a thing and you know its a thing and you can't quite put your finger on that THING whatever that thing is, and then he says something like, for example in this video "NPR RAP", and your third eye opens and you're like "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! THAT'S IT! THAAAAAT'SS IIIIT!!!! THE THING!!! THAT'S WHAT IT IS!!"
I've seen it happen at least 5 times.
I’d argue that Run The Jewels is the success story of two hip hop figures who know the hip hop world very well and unlike rock, the support up and coming artists. Both El-P and Killer Mike were huge figures in theirlocal scenes but struggled greatly to break out their cities for most of their careers. Killer Mike is a true representative of the dirty south, and ElP created the indie rap scene They got success when they united. Now with that success, Killer Mike has used his star power and money to help young rappers. He advocated for 21 Savage’s release when he was jailed by immigration. I can’t see Imagine Dragons doing that for a young indie rocker
While I am a big RTJ fan. I feel like this comment basically personifies the example he gave of an RTJ fan.
Cringe dude
Ignoring the irony of this comment this is actual facts
While this is true, fame and success has changed Mike (not el-p so much), he plays his part in pushing certain agendas and now praises people he once rapped about being part of the problem just because the social culture has changed to where his audience wants certain people praised
Don't get me wrong, he still does a ton of good, there is still a ton of truth in a lot of his lyrics and I still respect Mike, but he has learned he has to play the game to a certain degree to maintain that level of fame
Finn hits the nail on the head again.
I wonder how much the perception of My Chemical Romance fans has changed with the extent to which so many of us are older and not as fangirl-y. I wasn't particularly an MCR fangirl, but I was very much a Motley Crue fangirl in middle school (this was 2008, mind you - I was the teenage girl screaming out their names in a nosebleed seat while surrounding by grown adults.) It's an interesting situation where teenagers still discover My Chemical Romance, but a lot of us are just grown adults who love the band and may look like we stepped out of a Hot Topic store circa 2005 when seeing them live.
2008 was the last time they released a new album, and when Hot Topic was actually about music and all black. Now, it's anime and pop culture buttsex.
@@psychedelicfright85 last album, they've released a few EPs and singles
A new video from Finn = A great day
😇
As a HUGE Blink-182 fan, I can admit that no one hates Blink-182 more than Blink-182 fans
This applies to Weezer as well
Why so?
@@SAPANNow I think it’s because they changed their sound over the course of time and some fans preferred their older stuff and they looked down on the fans of the newer stuff.
@@oscarmarek7746this applies to Green Day too lol
@@errix yep
Dude, Dave mustaine fans... In their minds mustaine wrote all of Mozart's music.
Calm down.... Even over exaggeration has a limit. Mustaine fans stick to one idea - Mustaine is better than all the four members of Metallica.
That's it.
Dave actually invented music actually, this is an actual fact that actually exists..... Actually
Lol I know exactly what you mean. I think he's a great musician but they put him on way too high a pedestal.
He did
@@andrewbentz8894 You mean like David Gilmour fans, Adam Jones fans, Steven Wilson fans, Steve Harris fans, Dimebag fans, Jimmy Page fans, Dave Lombardo fans and so many more?
When I was in junior high I was absolutely certain only classic rock, pre 1990, was good music.
Eventually I tried listening to Tool, SOAD, Modest Mouse and others which snapped me out of that toxic mentality.
Imagine all the amazing new music I would have missed out on if I only listened to Zeppelin and Floyd for the rest of my life.
BORING
I love the weird crossover that seems to exist between fans of metal music and fans of Modest Mouse. I grew up listening to SOAD, Deftones, Tool, and despite sounding nothing like my usual suspects, when I gave MM a chance beyond their spate of hits in early 00's I felt right at home.
I am a bit shocked to see Juggalos not on this list.
Good point. I once became friendly with a few juggalos and holy shit. They were drunk 24/7 and wanted to fight everyone.
Sabrina Meixsell like everyone ive met some good and some bad. But with juggalos, it seems it’s like 90% bad lol.
Probably cause it’s rock focussed
Quinton Berger no, not really. It fits. He has mentioned ICP and juggalos in the past. But you are right in a strict sense.
Eric Ridenour for sure but this particular video is rock focused. If he covered other genres too this would be one LONG ass video. That’s all I’m sayin.
“To be fair you need a high IQ to understand the music Tool produces”- 90% of Tool fans.
Tool's lyrics are what get me tbh. Music is music. Sounds you like or dont. The lyrical content is what really either engages people or makes them think its pretentious trash or w/e
If only they knew that Maynard's lyrics are meant to be interpreted in any way you see fit.
@@aloneiplay26 I agree. I just appreciate the thoughtfulness of the lyrics, wether I "get it" or not is irrelevant. Theyre just beautifully composed.
You totally need a high IQ to understand incredibly repetitive, strung out songs. Absolutely 🤣
@@JohnPaulSheets Nailed it!
You forgot the "I listen to everything...except (lists a bunch of genres)" like no dude, you listen to one genre. Great video lmao fr
I agree with you.
Just say you listen to rock music instead of claiming you listen to EVERYTHING
I legit listen to everything, and when I say that people have replied "so you only listen to metal but you want to pretend to be cultured"
like, no I'm just passionate about all forms of music lmao
I listen to everything except most recent pop and most recent rap :)
So true. The average top 40 normie that is supposedly open to all genres except country and the spine crushing death metal i try to show them.
I don't listen to everything personally, tho I feel like I listen to a bit of a wider variety of genres than the average person. I've felt tempted in the past to answer the "What music do you listen to?" question with "Everything" just cause it's easy and makes me feel sophisticated, but as time went by I realize whenever anyone says they listen to everything 99% of the time it's just people who listen to a few of the most popular bands in each of about 5 genres. In realizing I'm one of those people, I think I'm gonna promise myself to never EVER say that I "Listen to everything." For a person who is genuinely passionate and invested in music it's not something that should just be thrown around, and at the end of the day I don't think I even could listen to everything because there's hundreds of genres and whenever I discover something new, like a subgenre or even a band, I get caught up on it for weeks or months at a time. So I'm never actually gonna listen to everything, and I've realized it's feels kinda pretentious to claim that I do.
Whenever a fandom is criticized or classified as "bad" I feel bad for them, even if I hate that fandom myself lol
Uuuhh... Spend some time with the red-laces in their meth den, then say that, poser! Haha
I know this is late, but just had to comment that "hardcore kids" always were the biggest assholes at pretty much every show I've ever been to. You may have had a different experience because of the way you look but as someone who has always looked pretty goth and would get called an emo kid because of it, they were always the worst kinds of people.
They're literally just an alt version of dude bros at parties that try and fight everyone, but with camo shorts on.
As much as I love hardcore, you’re absolutely right. In the early 2000s there used to be hardcore crews, but here in LA County, the gangs would handle them. Lmao😂
There were a lot of hyperaggressive meatheads for sure, and some who seemed intent on hurting people, but I've also encountered some of the most respectful, down to earth and chill people in that crowd.
I got clipped in the nuts by one of these idiot's "dancing" at a local show and my from then on my opinion of Hardcore invisible person fighting dances were stupid and anyone performing such acts should be locked in a air tight room and force fed farts and only farts through some ventilation system for 3 days straight.
This. HXC has always had the worst fans, from guys punting generic punk bands cause of a tacked on message (which definitely isn't there as a marketing tool) or the jock stereotype above. Sure there are nice people, but the same as with every other genre.
There’s a lot of people who use the genre as a front for hate and violence, a lot of bands included in that, but as other people expressed, some of the most incredible and genuine people I’ve ever met came out of the hardcore music scene.
I think there’s just toxicity everywhere. (I’ve had very similar experiences to you, so I’m definitely not invalidating your feelings, I’ve just been on both sides of the fence.)
I think Dave Matthews Band fans definitely belong on this list. They are definitely Dad rock, but good God are those fans die hard...
I've lived in Charlottesville most of my life and everyone here has their own story about meeting Dave. Granted I love DMB though...
Was gonna say that myself. I've had to defend myself from dmb fans since the 90s because they bore the shit out of me. Its prog rock for people who don't know what prog rock is. But dmb fans just will never let you not like them.
Even that show Community jokes on them. "Real fans call him Dave."
I had a pretty hardcore DMB phase like 20 years ago. I still have some fond memories of early Dave but I haven’t followed them for years. This is definitely true though. Bit of a deadhead vibe to it.
And when they get older they become Jimmy Buffet fans.
Me: Looks down at my Sunny Day Real Estate shirt and feels personally attacked
I LOVE SDRE. I got to see them when I was 14/15 and I will never be the same. Jermey got frustrated and smashed his guitar. It was beautiful. I don’t pat myself on the back for liking them though haha. I just get super excited when I meet someone else who listens to them.
Me: looks down at my Saetia tee and immediately adjust my posture
LMAO!
@@Joshua-ww1fz lol
@@hannahbella1594
honestly as a former fangirl type person i can definitely agree that it be like that. you didn't discuss it much but as an insider it wasn't JUST idol worship happening in those fan groups. i distinctly remember the twenty one pilots fandom in about 2016 being downright toxic at points. Regional at best (possibly their second worst album now bc of scaled and icy) was worshipped like it was somehow the best album in existence despite the fact that one of the songs on it to this day creeps me out lyrically due to the context and about half of the tracks have aged like fine piss (both in terms of lyrics and production). there was also the reading festival situation, where tyler (the frontman) decided to crowdsurf as he usually does and the crowd started ripping his top off and i believe one of his shoes got stolen by someone
also i can't talk about how weird 2016 emo fandoms were without mentioning the trinity but in particular my chem for this one. MCR's music is pretty good on my opinion but holy SHIT the fandom was bad. usually, i can ignore shipping in these kinds of fandoms simply because it's younger teen girls who don't really understand much about the world. but holy fuck it was bad in MCR's fandom because frank and gerard were seen as stirring the pot a little bit in the mid 2000s AND because there were actual siblings in the band. add onto that how much the band has been doing weird ass merch lately (not rammstein collector's edition weird, releasing funko pops and those stupid ass blindbox figures that haunt me and a collab with lootcrate weird) and it just feels a bit icky. i think the shipping situation has calmed down a bit but the merch situation definitely hasn't unfortunately.
Also the “old school metal is the best metal” guys they can be beyond brutal to teens and chicks getting into metal, always asking to name 15 songs and the last 2 bassists of the band on the persons t shirt
Those bastards make it hard to be a metal head, i can't stand it.
Yesterday while i was running I saw a dude wearing a Cradle of filth shirt, the rest of his outfit and his friend would tell me he doesn't actually know what the hell hes wearing. No point in engaging or making fun of him to his face. I did audibly laugh when i saw him, but i couldnt help it.
Call me a Conservative, but a band shirt is not a fashion Accessoires, it's a Statement.
@Luke no reason to be an ass to them about it tell them who the band is and maybe theyll get into the band after trying it but being a jerk about it will push them away
And they say don't name their popular songs only their underrated songs
I’ve never met awful Coheed fans lol. This is news to me
Me neither. I feel like they got lumped in because of the "prog" thing, I guess. I've met fans who are a little 'too into' the band, if you can call that a fault. Overall most Coheed fans I've met have been pretty chill, if not a little awkward. Never experienced any of that "you just don't 'get' it bro" attitude toward someone criticizing the band.
went to a coheed show and the other fans were extremely chill and nice to be around.
Yeah r/TheFence is always so chill and wholesome
Same those of us among the fence all just love and appreciate the glory that is coheed. I feel like he was just trying to trigger us but too bad we all just like good music
Same. Every show of theirs I’ve been to, people pull me to the front railing because I’m short and they protect me from pushers and crowd surfers. I will say some in the fan page can be shitty, but I’ve never met one in person. Other than my ex that I showed Coheed to who became a “die hard fan” but doesn’t know anything about weerd science and prizefighter inferno
I’m a coheed and Cambria fan.
Yes, we are extremely annoying.
A friend of mine at work keeps trying to turn me on to them but I'm just not hearing it.
🚮
@@christopherbell4543 Second Stage Turbine Blade is awesome, but I lost interest after that. I saw them play back in 2003-2004. Their set was one of the best I've ever seen at a DIY show.
one of the best live shows ive ever seen
Those things you said about djent fans at the end made me feel really nice.
-Sincerely, a mechanical engineer djent fan who is watching this video at work .
👆 a djentleman and a scholar
@@cloudycello2072 15:40
17 minutes of worst fandom and no word about straight edge movement?
You have any idea how many people I've pissed off by buying a beer at a Youth of Today show?
Standing drinking a pint at the edge of the pit getting all the growlers from the hc fashionistas way there £200 DIY nike trainers.
Doesn't PRMBA already have a straight edge video?
@@Trepanation21 yes, he has.
I stay away from hardcore all together to be honest. So toxic. The guys over at the melodic hardcore side of things are awesome tho
Agreed they are just as annoying as the vegan hardcore crowd.
Every fandom is the worst in someone's eyes.
There are some that are the worst in a *LOT* of someone's eyes though...
I've got a feeling you were talked about at least once in the video, could I be correct in saying this? Haha
@Don.Corp.69 but not *at ALL* to the same extent, hence this video.
Good point.
@@MiketheNerdRanger The whole purpose of the video is to be edgy for the purpose of drawing in views.
Yep. And we can see in these comments a lot of people themselves being rude and obnoxious but they think they're the "normal ones" and mocking the "weirdos". Sigh
Depending on what ska scene you're looking at, you can find yourself in the best or worst fandoms.
lemme tell you how annoying it is to have a bunch of 45 year old white dudes in fred perrys gatekeep you on not knowing "real ska"
When I was thinking of fandoms, ska was the first that came to mind. I've always loved being able to geek out about ska bands with people at shows or just meeting random people. In the last couple years it feels like there are tons of new ska bands popping up. It's like a 4 wave is coming!
I know this is kinda lame of me to do, but have you ever heard of Saves The Day's song At Your Funeral? That song is just begging for a ska punk cover by you.
Love your work, seriously.
Gatekeeping for "true ska music" just seems so opposite to the feeling and vibe of Ska. To me it seems to be about having fun and making fun of yourself and lifes misfortunes. Btw love the channel man.
@@harrybaldwin3 If that's true for US Ska, I hope all these new fans help rediscover Bim Skala Bim. They are the great unknown US Ska band, and I'm not just saying that because the bassist is an old friend(Mark Ferranti).
@Danny Dircio When you mean ska, do you mean Jamaican ska or 2-tone? I think I've heard quite a few 2-tone styled bands.
Funny story when I was in high school a A classmate was talking about a perfect circle and how much of a tool fan he was and I made a simple joke" what about a perfect square"( I was in high school so so yes lame jokes) And he threatened to kick my ass if I made fun of him again lol
"you didn't write the song, you just pressed play on it"
Just earned my sub
Huge Deftones fan here and this was so accurate 😂😂. I can’t help but gush about them.
Best show I ever saw
same :)
Wow I’d love to listen to a album with you a time or two lmao
Seriously though same vibe I can’t help it I was a nu metal kid with his hand dipped and dripped in every genre 😁
huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge sleep token fan here and gosh its true
Me toooooo!
"the basketball jersey branch of the hardcore family tree." well said.
"Deftones fans will not stop gushing about Deftones."
I have never been so upset by something I completely agree with.
😍 Deftones
"am I saying Radiohead is the Olive Garden of music? Yes that is exactly what I'm saying" LOL dying
Listened to OK Computer for the first time in like 10 years the other day. Album is so fucking boring.
I heard OK Computer in full for the first time a couple months ago after I kept seeing it being mentioned as being "the best album of all time" everywhere, and like... It's good, but not *that* good lol. It's kinda overrated for what it actually offers.
I don’t understand his opinion on this. Explain to me how albums like Kid A and The King of Limbs are the “Olive Garden” of music. It’s not like, off the deep end experimental, but it’s not even approaching conventional pop. I feel like Finn heard The Bends once and thought he knew the whole story
@@dclarkmusic yep, when he said "predictable and basic stuff" talking about Radiohead i was like... bruh wtf hahahaha i don´t want to be that Radiohead fan but damn,that´s simply wrong.
Whoever says ok computer is a boring album or a bad album , is just stupid.
“If bad posture had a soundtrack”
Okay man, just fucking wreck me like that.
Don’t forget Death Grips fans! Sincerely, a Death Grips fan
Dude - just discovered this channel... grew up in the punk/hardcore/metal scene in the 80s/90s and this video straight up nails all the sub groups 😂
It's weird how your description of black metal fans is literally just Varg.
lmao
Example, avoid losers that use the word Varg. They are so Varg. 😂
Minus a stabbing or two, yes. Unless they're TRVE CVLT fans who have also "caused someone to fall on a broken lamp" 22 times.
Ngl, most BM trve kvltists just kinda stand their while a fucking sick band has a juicy song playing and a slapping pit is moshing, and it shows.
As a KPop and Rock fan myself I have to agree that atleast the KPop fans are insane , I didn't know Babymetal fans were that way , I'm a Babymetal fan myself and I would hope people would say I'm chill about them and it doesn't surprise me that they used to lipsync
kpop,rock,and jpop??
you are amazing dude
my respect.
Billie Ellish fans are even worse, faking depression cause they think it's cool and writing death threats to anyone who insults her music , seriously grow the fuck up
I have the theory that there are only 2 types of babymetal fan(obviously there are a lot of exceptions)
The adult man: which is like the equivalent of a Brony (it will mean that because BABYMETAL is not very "" masculine "" or metal it has to defend because it likes him, as much as possible)
The Loona fan: found babymetal by accident and it is one of his first if not his first approach to heavy music and basically acts as you would expect from a Loona fan (does edits, fancams, "Moa-Metal sumpremacy🛐" or at least consume that kind of content)
@@chokolat762 i found baby metal in a " 10 weird sub genres of metal". Not crazy about the singing but damn the band blows me away. Id definitely defend them as a metal band but thats about it
I love J-Rock/metal, the credible acts anyway! The "Kami band" /Baby Metal's backing band, dont really need the whole idols up front thing..very cheesy
I love Deftones, but my god the people that just ramble on and on about having sex to Deftones or orgasming every time Chino speaks are so cringe.
Edit : Also people that ramble on about passed away band members (The rev, Chi Cheng, Cliff Burton etc.) I don’t have a problem with the band members, I don’t have a problem with paying respects, I’d have more of a problem if someone didn’t but my god people that don’t shut up about them and make every single conversation about a band about this member or how much better the band was before are seriously annoying.
There could be worst things to talk about. I love deftones and it's fanbase. i think they're the least judgemental and most welcoming so i disagree with them being annoying
They are good and Chino Moreno is the coolest name ever. But they're not the greatest band in the world.
They really need to release Eros though.
I can’t believe a video about fandoms doesn’t dedicate a huge amount of time to
Juggalos. I’m not a Juggalo, but I respect them so much.
Man they can be weird but they are legitimately the nicest and most welcoming people 90 percent of the time.
@@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193 Like Wade? Lol
The “I was born in the wrong generation” 80’s hair band kids
Given the state of modern rock, I'd say it's a perfectly reasonably opinion
Those kids are actually chill
Ian Jurica Yeah, non-existent, unless Foo Fighters drop the occasional new album that’s big for a week until Justin Bieber cries about it online because he wants his album on top of the charts
Ian Jurica You mean modern mainstream rock on the charts. Underground bands have been killing it the last few years, and metal in particular has been absolutely amazing. If you think rock has to be a monolith with the big bands selling millions of records to be "good," let alone rehashing the sounds of the '70s and '80s like nothing has changed, I don't know what to tell you, but trust me, loud guitar music still has quite an audience.
those dudes mostly just smoke weed and wear ugly fat white sneakers, they're okay
I'm with ya on most MBA but Radiohead is a quantum leap from the strokes bro
Like a complete different sound
Yup agreed
Radio head sucks
I think he means neither group are obscure or underground.
“They love meth and guns.... in that order” 😂😂
If you find yourself around someone who describes themselves as a Wood... as in peckerwood, gtfo. Words to live by.
Yeah peckerwoods can get real nasty real fast. They're basically every stereotype of inner city meets trailer park you've heard.
Feels like peckerwoods are basically what people stereotyped ICP to be (before everyone realized juggalos are generally super misunderstood), but for real this time and with a white supremacist twist
It's crazy. I love circa Survive, but I have never encountered a circa surviva fan IRL or online because I just listen to music and do not really make it my life, but I could talk about them the way you described, lol.
*Mentions Deftones*.. *Me* “Oh shit man I love Deftones” anyone like deftones?
yeah, there's something about Deftones that makes me say how much I love Deftones, oh sh*t, I'm doing this again
Vladimir Levinson Don’t get it
@@nighthawk9532 I love Deftones man 😁
I love deftones
I started listening to them and I was like I should have much earlier their first three albums are great.
I was going to be insulted by the Tool fandom comments, but then I remembered all the "lectures" I got from the dudes who introduced me to them years ago. I wasn't allowed to just think the music and lyrics were dope, I had to understand the mathematical underpinnings blah blah blah. The key to good art that people forget is there is no right or wrong way to engage with it, if you like to dig into the deeper themes that's great but just enjoying the music because it makes your ears happy is equally valid.
A video on the Misfits would be fantastic, branding, marketing, how they changed.
Personally, as part of the Linkin Park fandom, it is very tight knit and most people there are true fans and not complete assholes
There are a lot of graphic designers and other artists and the lp underground community and chat are amazing and really supportive of everyone. The Paramore fan base is also good, mostly in the discord which is a chaotic mess ,but a fun chaotic mess
"the smiths/Morrisey'' fans are something else..
ExCuSe Me, I lIsTeN tO ReAl MuSiC
They're Lame
Haha
Every Smiths fan I've ever known has always been overly sensitive and offended by everything, they take all criticism of media they like as personal attacks. It's like they have no personality other than the media they consume
@@ethann9433 Many are hipster snobs.
Here in Costa Rica have the "Trashers" as we like to call them, the incorrect spelling on that is on purpose BTW, they listen to the same bands including but not limited to Sepultura, Mayhem, Bathory, Slayer, Immortal, Municipal Waste, Overkill, Motorhead, Danzig and others. The worst part about them is that when they jump into a conversation about music if you are talking about bands that they don't enjoy you are considered not a "True" Metal fan. Also it's quite annoying to have them next to you in a line for a gig or show since they are permanently wasted and most of them don't have jobs so they go and camp outside of the venue to be the first in line which causes them to be quite stinky by the day of the actual show.
Trashers!!! 🤘 Long Live Trash Metal
& Forever may it Rot & Fester!!!
I pat myself on the back with Olive Garden breadsticks
Tim 😂😂😂😂😂