Depreciation can be almost wholly averted by never, ever buying a new, nearly new, or even relatively new caravan, let alone car. Most caravans suffer brutal depreciation from new, yet there are thousands of extremely good condition caravans which do not leak and have almost as new qualities even when they are ten years old, provided the previous owners have looked after them. I've seen perfectly good caravans on sale for as little as £1,500 compared to their new price of £10,000-£16,000.
Really informative, and great insight. With my rent increasing noisy neighbours, a cold house for 550 per month bill and council tax on top. A year in caravan, to have peace and quiet, a dog and save money is sounding very tempting. You videos are helping to know the reality of what life will be like. Thanks
I was just sat here thinking I wish Andrew would upload a new video because I really enjoy them and find them full of useful and informative information, well what do you, switched on my laptop and to my delight..........thanks Andrew 😀
Another hit, Mr. Dougal, ahem, Ditton! :) So many people think van life or caravan life is cheaper, and it can be, but there are many costs, as you pointed out, that those new to the life haven't considered. If one is only measuring the cost comparison of various ways to live, then yes, sharing a flat with another rent paying human or two, on a public transport line, is likely the most cost effective. BUT! The loss of freedom, for me, makes that a no-go. My highest ideal is freedom, and it drives all of the decisions I make--in my personal and work life. I have lived a life of voluntary simplicity for most of my life (with a few aberrant years of over-consumption thrown in for good measure). Living simply not only has positive effects on the bank balance--if you are an introvert AND an HSP, like me, then the minimizing of physical, emotional, and dare I say psychic clutter helps to keep my mind and life peaceful. Too much static (possessions, obligations, etc.) wears me out! Learning to cook simple, healthful meals, plant-based, can greatly offset costs. Shopping local and in-season--at the farmers market or co-op can yield top quality fruit and veg at the best prices. I know some van dwellers who eat out every meal (and crap, I tell ya) and they wonder why their living costs are so high. Would be a great follow-up to talk about the costs you don't have to bear when full-timing (new roof for the house, major electrical and plumbing concerns, property tax, etc.). Be well, and treat yourself to a Heidi pie! :)
Thank you my very dear Shanna! :) I agree with you 100% about the personal space and freedom, but I thought I'd better mention the cheaper alternative. I lived in a shared house twice - never again. I'd rather be on my own in a van than sharing a house, but I know many others who think the opposite. I'm still on that decluttering journey (the ideal would be to minimise/find the root cause of the migraines which I am 100% convinced is bad energy) and that's half the reason for stating all this RUclips malarky - a self-inflicted kick up the backside and also to show people that not all of us who crave the Simple Life get there without pain and effort. I love the idea of a talk about the positives... hmm. There is SO MUCH ground to cover but I have to pace myself to one a week, and even that seems to fill my head for days! All the best to you :)
Shanna Trenholm. Hello Shanna - I’m just like you! You’ve just summed-up all that’s important to me, and how I’ve always lived my life. I thought I was a one-off. I never realised it until I asked the internet what HSP is, and discover I’m a lot of that too! I’m smiling now cos suddenly I don’t feel quite so odd and alone. That’s HUGE. Thank you so much. Chris X
How I beat the system in the UK and its done by a few loop holes the main one been only one person is permitted to live in the barn 2 people or more and planing Laws come into force and its classed as a encampment. Next with planing approved I built a timber framed barn style out building rendered bricks on the out side then I moved in after I fitted my arga for heating and hot water and to cook on but been very carful not to put a kitchen, bed room or even bath room that resembles any thing like a house. If a bed is seen or a kitchen by the Council planing officer who will visit ever 6 months and can enter any building with out a Warrent for up to 4 years they have the power to fine you up to £3500 and £2 a day until you move out. After 4 years the council must acsept what you have done called the 4 year rule. After 10 years your allowed to turn your out building in to a house it may seem a long time but from day one there was no way I could ever build a house where my home is now and all the time I've lived there paying no Council tax, rent, or water rates as I have a fresh stream that flows on my land so fresh I even drink it. To avoid the law my bed can never be seen as my fitted table doubles as my bed by putting my air mattress on it when not on use my bed returns to a large table while storing the mattress out of site in a cubourd. This now gives me the main loophole in living in my out building UK law states I must not sleep in any building with out been past by Council planing so never admit to sleeping or even cooking in your unaficial home when asked you cook out side. That it's my home that is leagle lived like this for to many years to remember. Firstly I owned a house that had a garden across the road. I did every thing leagle firstly got planing for a out building in the style of a barn. and the local Council have visited £350 it cost to take that off my house deeds. It's very easy and even the land did not cost me any thing as did not lower the price I sold the original house building for. It was all so easy to live free no costs and no cares. My fuel is even free due to living next to a forest and my job been a coffin maker MEENS I have endless supplies of off cuts for fire wood.
That is FASCINATING Karl, I had no idea about all these little loopholes and such. I admire your skills and determination, and doff my cap to the way you have dared challenge the paradigm and live life on your own terms.
Looks like Dougal is totally bored by the topic. Must be because you failed to mention doggie treats for him! Come on Andrew, I thought you were a better 'Doggie Parent' than that! Still saving pennies for my own AirStream in the mean time I shall have to make do with a vintage RV, but if it makes it all the way to Alaska it will have served its purpose!
Hi mate, my wife and I are living in Australia and are soon to purchase a caravan, so thank you for your video and great first hand advice mate, cheers
Lots of great info, thank you 😀👍 just one thing... you will never find a room in or near an Oyster card zone for £200 a month 😂😂😂 its more like £200 per week but then we don't strive to live this way to save money do we 😎
Depreciation or not ,nothing compare the Life Style of Living a camper or Motorhome.Nothing better in Life that wasting money on something you reaaaaly enjoy,after at the end of the day We all waste money somehow.My 2 cents.
Thanks Andrew. Very helpful. I've stopped getting the paper version of the C&CC's magazine but remember it was a good way to look up those temporary holiday sites. Not found it so easy on their website. I must switch back to paper!
Interesting about the paper bag - I used keep mine on the windowsil as a student till a woman made a comment they were green and toxic in the light, decades later I find most people including those selling spuds don't know that... thanks for the tips on cheap sites, I had wondered how on earth anyone could afford the daily fees advertised as normal...
People put to much emphases on how much money they will loose on a e,g caravan, Motorhome or property. Depreciation on such items only comes into effect "if" you decide to sell. If your not selling it can depreciation 100% and it wouldn't make any difference at all.
I mean i love airstreams but the cheapest is 75k euros :( A very good caravan with the same size is about 15k to 20k over here and that’s not even the budget model.
A now vintage video, however the advice still rings true today. The Airstream is very shrewd investment, if anything is going to shrug off depreciation it’s an airstream.
Hi just a comment on living in a caravan. I have been in myn 4 years now and the key is planning where the sites are in the area where you want to be as the 28 day stay . Book all the sites in advance job done great life style I recommend it
I don't know if you ever mention about having a satellite internet connection on a caravan or mothorhome using a regular antena that you to setup yourself instead of the expensives roof automatic types.Thank you
Andrew, I guess that many people that considering living in a RV it is because they like that kind of life style, but if it is only for the financial aspect we have to considering the following (based on my experience in Australia): It is much cheaper and easy to live in a large van (Ford Transit, Sprinter, Fiat,etc) that living in a caravan and the reason is based on easy to get free sites, over night or for longer period and also the maintenance of one vehicle only. I lived nearly 3 years in a converted 22 seats community bus and only paid accommodation for 2 nights because my fault of not planning in advance. That, here in Australia represent a saving of over $ 200 to $400 a week depends on the state and city. I do not know how expensive is the rent or real estate in UK but here, renting can go for $300 to easy $ 700 a week again in relation to location. That will be more that any depreciation in a 3 or 4 years old van. Home loans for the young or retired? forget it they cannot afford it and if they have the deposit the repayments will not cover the increase value of the property. Add to that council rates, maintenance, water, electricity, etc and will come a non sustainable life. Not wonder the van living have become a solution in USA that have similar problems than here in Oz. Keep posting, I like your videos and humor. Cheers
Thanks a lot for taking the time to give us a peek into Oz van life! Real estate prices in the UK are stupid crazy. Van living can save a stack of money - BUT - unlike Australia and the US there really is nowhere left on this crowded little island that you can 'disappear' for a while. I hear of many van dwellers here that soon tire of running, and end up either on a site or reconsidering. Also, weather is an issue here...it can get so damp and cold here, so heating fuel is a consideration...and if you have a wood stove then you need to keep a stack of wood dry. It's something I don't go into much as there are some far more informed people out there than me about that! Thanks again, and all my best wishes to your wonderful, beautiful country :)
That's a great idea. But I guess there is a ventilation issue, and the mech to ensure sufficient air changes etc might as you say get weight prohibitive.
A tiny house community near public transport links? Sounds great, Andrew! Maybe you could say more about that, and people could flag up their interest. Get a group together online, and it might become a reality! :) Happy days all round!
That would be amazing. The trouble is Sarah, as soon as you get that permission, only 'Park Homes' make it viable. Or Tiny Houses that will end up costing an arm and a leg. I'm sure it's doable, I just don't think I have the fight.
Great. I'm a new subscriber so thank you Andrew. I've no intention of joining your way of living but I do admire your commitment to it, particularly as you sell it as it is...the reality check is an honest approach that informs your subscribers from an experienced viewpoint. Looking forward to catching up on your other episodes !
Good work there Mr Ditton. Some good informative information! Cathy's cake looked lush. One useful thing that I have found whilst staying on a narrowboat is the heating power of a couple of cheap IKEA* tealights. Helps cut down on your heating and also adds a bit of ambiance. It goes without saying that you should never leave candles burning unattended etc! Also wearing leather and a hoody will keep you toasty warm. Or just snuggle with a very impressed looking Dougal. *other tealight suppliers are available
Hi Andrew, doogle always looks frozen on the seat curled up with his little feet tucked in, try a little dog blanket on him i bet he would love it. BE WELL.
Some really good advice. I would also like a small place of my own but can't afford anywhere as a single person on the minimum wage. I'm not getting any younger so the thought of paying off a mortgage with interest until retirement is not very appealing. I must start doing some researching and asking lots of questions as there are so many choices!
Sounds like you are already on the right track Ben by realising where you are and that you might need to follow your own path rather than just the everyday 'easy' (in the short term) one. Good luck and I wish you every success :)
Oh my word Michael, you've just rekindled a long-standing wish of mine. I would LOVE to visit Northern Ireland, especially the wild North West. It would have to be a long-ish trip to make the ferry fare viable so that's a possibility for 2018. Cheers!
For the first part of the video I thought "this is all quite obvious" but I had no idea about the temporary holiday sites, so glad I watched it all, and thanks for the info.
Cheers! It's hard to pitch a video, as some folks are coming in without any experience, and others have been at it for years. With the 'Living Simply' videos I pitch them more to people who are considering 'making the leap' from the rat race, and trying to present my experiences as honestly, openly, and thoroughly as possible. When you stop and think, you wonder why some people change their 'van every couple of years when there is nothing wrong with the one they have and they like it. There are SO MANY people who really don't see depreciation as a real cost and real money. Anyway, well done for sticking with my rambling to the bitter end! :)
Note to US residents, I believe that in the UK, you can buy a used car or camping trailer (caravan) without paying sales tax... in California, if you buy a used car or trailer, tax paid once already, the state makes you pay again ... ! Yep ... as an expat here, always thought that strange. Is that still the same in the UK? No taxes on private party sales ?
If this is being done full time how do you earn a living? What about a permanent address for banks, doctors, etc? How do register your vehicle or provide a post code for your insurers?
Hi Mike, blooming good question and one I have forgotten to address so far. The solar panel is about 100 watts I think, and I have two 110amp batteries. I must hasten to add that I don't have a telly or anything like that - just the laptop, but I try and use my tablet when off grid and no sunshine, then charge it up when it's light. Cheers.
Great video Andrew, keep up the good work and looking forward to hearing about the next steps for you ;o) In my view someone like the Caravan Club etc should have you as their front man to promote Caravanning etc and raise their profile online with video and social media ;o)
Great video Andrew. I think most people are concerned with the day to day costs, but many forget the depreciation of equipment. And yes, the fuel you use boondocking can exceed an inexpensive site with electric and water. Oh, don't forget the cost of video equipment. It's not cheap! Laughs. Then the cost of mobile data... I'm not sure what it costs where you are, but serious caravaners who work online in the US might have $75-$100 plans with 2 or 3 carriers at a time. Take good care.
Cheers Jon! Yes, I've just renewed my mobile plan... gulp. I guess here I was more looking at just the actual camping costs. There is a future video planned about staying online on the move :)
Your experienced explanation about depreciation and maintenance cost is of course accurate. If I may I'd respectfully like to speak from experience, and that is depreciation does not always apply! My first caravan purchased March 2012, was a 1998 Sterling Eccles Diamond 2 berth (is that vintage?) purchased for £2300 from a dealer, which I cherished and kept clean and polished, and sold it 2 years later for the princely sum of £2950 (privately) For the second caravan I was the very proud owner of a Bessacarr Cameo 495SL purchased for £4500 from the same dealer, and over the three years once again it was kept washed, polished, and cherished. Maintenance cost involved a new set of tyres, and annual services by the said dealer for £85 a throw. That sold 2 months ago for £4900 (again a private sale) It possibly would have made a little more, but it needed to go to help fund the new one! The important thing is to keep them well looked after and maintained, and when advertised for sale take lots of good pictures (and not library images!) The latest rig is a 2014 Coachman VIP 520, unfortunately this one is going to depreciate though, but no amount of money could buy the amount of joy it will bring. Show less REPLY
Absolutely - as the C&CC used to promote, you are never richer than when camping! Full-timing is of course doable in older rigs, but of course you will be spending a lot more time and money on maintenance.
thanks again enjoying watching your this-is-how-it-really-is style videos. I really want a tiny house somewhere but not sure where. My feeling is I like the idea of van life more than campervans or caravans. I just have to try everything out and see how it feels.Life everywhere has become so ridiculously expensive renting, buying, overspending and cluttering homes with things we don't really need. At the moment I am on the third and what i hope will be the final stage of decluttering and downsizing. Working really hard on clearing debts and doing really well. I think the next stage after that is saving up enough money to rent a van and seeing if I can live in it for two months. I follow Bee and Theo of the Indie Projects and that has been a real eye-opener i have learnt a lot. The idea of towing a caravan kind of scares me but we will see. It seems from what you are saying it is worth joining the caravan and campers club does it cover Europe?
Congratulations on already making so much progress! Bee and Theo are great, aren't they? Most people are scared of towing a caravan until they actually do it, then wondered why they were scared! The two main clubs do offer European breakdown cover at an additional cost but it is quite expensive for the year. They can also book overseas sites for you but I would guess you would prefer to find your own? Good luck with the rest of the project!
Working my way through your vlogs/videos Andrew, enjoyable informative viewing to a wannabe caravan owner. I'm guessing your navara is auto, does towing make much of a mpg difference ? Don't see me getting my GS in the back :-) keep it up and I look fwd to watching more. Michael.
Hi Michael, welcome aboard! :) In fact my Nav is manual. I get about 25mpg towing and 35mpg solo, but I have a very light right foot and drive like I'm towing even when solo! I used to get a 260kg 1993 Triumph Daytona in the back so maybe a GS is doable? A van would be a better bet I guess but I just like my Tonka Toy Truck. All the best mate.
Really enjoying your vids. I'm seriously thinking about doing this for a more simple stress free life but, I have 2 cats.. Does anybody do this with cats? I'm not thinking about doing it forever just to get some money behind me and the cost of renting flats is so high now I can never find enough to live and save for a deposit. If your talking about £300 per month then thats a saving of about £7500 a year! ish? Many thanks. Martin
Yes, my friends K&K have an elderly cat, and I see cats on campsites too. Check out The Indie Projects channel as Theo and Bea take their cat camper-vanning with them. I guess they need to either be house cats or get used to being on a lead. It's not insurmountable! Don't forget you have to factor in the cost of the van and stuff... I was only talking an 'average' pitch rent over the year, and it can easily be £500-600 per month. Good luck!
Hi Andrew, a very informative chat. Thank you. Your comments about joining a caravan club are well placed for saving money and finding preferred sites. Here in the U.S. we have several similar clubs that offer access to preferred sites. But some clubs have large annual fees and others not. You really need to plan your travels get the best return on your club fees. In the U.S. caravanning is becoming very popular which causes preferred summer site prices to climb to about $30 to $40 a night in Colorado. A natural response to supply and demand. To better control your site costs it is very helpful to make a plan of where you are staying for the next six months or so. This plan allows you to make early reservations and many times reduce site costs. Thank you and happy travels my friend.
Hey Robert, thanks for taking the time to make such an interesting and useful post about the US. Like you say, site fees wherever climb to respond to demand. Planning for such makes jolly good sense. I think things like that soon come with experience, but it's a super point and one which I forgot to labour. Thanks a lot and happy travels!
Love, love your videos. Living in the Pacific Northwest means there are many free places to Boondock, and 'Snowbirding' in Arizona and New Mexico, is very cheap too. Too bad it would be difficult getting Dougal back into the UK if you came here for a holiday. Ah, the sacrifices we make for our pets, no wonder he's so generous with his doggie kisses!
I'm a huge fan of the Pacific Northwest, esp Mount Rainier and Hood River/Oregon. But yes, I won't fly Dougal, and I've looked into sailing and that isn't much better, as he would have to stay in the kennel for the week's voyage. Thanks for your support!
Hi Andrew, a very interesting vlog because, as you may remember Tina and |I start living the dream full time from the 1st February 2018. We have booked our first site for two months but your talk has helped tremendously with ideas for future planning. Tina has already insisted on Scotland and the Outer Hebrides after watch your series. Please keep up the excellent vlogs in the sure knowledge we will be watching!
The cost is definitely going up each year, we have noticed that in the last 4 seasons of caravan ownership. And having 1 child still in school we have to have the 2 week in summer holidays at a largish commercial site. Another great vid by the way...........carry on.
Thanks Graham! Having kids in school can make CLs look even more attractive although a friend of mine's wife won't hear of going off-grid and going without her hair straighteners! 'Hair like a coconut' was the phrase she used. There's no doubt that while stripping the kids of their electronics, playgrounds and amusements might make for this perceived 'family time' it also makes it a loss less relaxing for the parents who need to take on the role of 24/7 entertainer. All the best.
'Wherever they won't find you' is the simple answer... and good luck with that one. The only place in the UK where it is approaching legal is in Scotland, but again you have to make sure that you are inconspicuous and not upsetting anyone. Sadly some folk have taken to living in and trashing lay-bys in places like the Isle of Skye, so stand by for this last bastion to be outlawed soon...
AllAboutAnn Funny you should mention that Ann. Here's one I did a few years ago...maybe time for an update? ;) ruclips.net/video/BCbGIxYBvOE/видео.html
Andrew, have you considered to move in any warm place in winter like south Spain/France/Italy? You should able to be off grid and here (in Italy) there are good campings near the sea for 15€/19€ per day with ACSI card.
Hi Mattia, until now I always had to think about my job, but that finishes soon. It is definitely easier to go off grid in warmer and sunnier places which is why I don't do it for more than one or two nights in the British Winter. Who knows...maybe I will give it a go next winter?! Thanks a lot.
I get it, sorry i miss that point: "job question" :). Anyway if you you want more details just drop me a line. We know really good and cheaper spot in Italy. I'm the guy under caravantrips.it and we fighting every day to find cheap spot in order to spend more days possibile in caravan. Our job, basically, let us to stay around 100days/year in caravan but not continuously.
Going from strength to strength. No wonder the number of subscribers is going up and up. Time for a howto on security soon? I think a lot of people are put off by feeling vulnerable sleeping in a tin box in the middle of a field and caravans are expensive so what about leaving them in the middle of nowhere while you go out for the day.
Thanks Cliff, you say all the right things! Dan Trudgian and I are planning a collaboration on just that subject - both physical security and online security. Watch this space! :)
I'd say both to start with as we are all looking for different things. I've heard both good stories and bad stories about both, and I have had both positive and negative experiences with both myself. My only point would be that the CC seems to have the wider choice of Certificated sites, and the C&CC seems to have more Temporary Holiday Sites. Another decider might be your favourite sites. I originally joined C&CC just for Norman's Bay campsite near Eastbourne! Both offer great tech support, too.
Is there a council worker for every single caravan that follows you everywhere and start counting days every time you stop at your friends driveway and force you to move away after? :))))
Love watching your videos! I watched your video you recommended. Very helpful to know that you need to gradually work up to your dog biking with you. I have taken Fiona the pug tubing down a river and she did awesome!
Oh that sounds brilliant! Fiona sounds like a character. Dougal would have none of that - he hates water. He looks at me when I go kitesurfing, thinks 'No way!' and heads back to the comfort of the trailer ;@)
Yes Mike, sorry I didn't make that clear. My seasonal pitch has a 16A hook-up included in the price. I find that the added energy cost and faff (running a generator or keep fetching gas) is not worth it between November and March unless I'm escaping to the wilds for a proper break for a few days.
Grilliant!!!! video Andrew. I have a 2 berth tourer in storage at present as ive been waiting on some surgery which is now complete. I understand the benefits of solar panels however they are very expensive as an initial outlay. I am thinking of buying a 1000W generator with battery charger for certain times when I can stay on a pitch without power. With your vast knowledge and experience would you say this would be a good alternative for off-grid power? Just adore the Jack Russell and ironically I have just acquired one too, one man and his dog hey...
Hi David, glad to hear you're back on your feet. Generators are noisy and fuel is expensive. Solar panels only work if it's good weather. The choice, I'm afraid, is purely down to your personal requirements.
Hi @@andrewjditton many thanks for your speedy reply. The intention to go for a generator is mainly as a back up to charge battery and maybe wild camping where hopefully no one else would be, wishful thinking...Anyway keep up the great work
I know I've long since missed the deadline for the Q&A vids, but I'd like to know about water usage - esp as I have long hair to wash 3-4 times per week! Do fixed pitches have shower block thingies?
Um, I'm not sure I understand the question! Some sites have shower blocks, some don't, some have service pitches where there is a fresh water connection at every pitch, but most pitches are the 'regular' type where you have to go fetch your water. Most people use a 40 litre barrel called an Aquaroll to fetch the water. The water heater in the van is 10 litres, meaning you get a 5 minute shower. If you're washing hair, it's a case of wetting it, turning off the water, shampoo, then turning it on again to rinse. I don't have this problem! ;)
Andrew Ditton Looks like you understood the question perfectly. :) Thanks! Yes, I thought military showers would be the order of the day. I do them at home sometimes to save hot water costs a bit.
You can register as a visitor in most cases and a local GP will see you, but sometimes this is for urgent problems only. Otherwise it's a case of 'back to base.'
Hi Andrew. I live in Uruguay and with a friend we decided to buy a motorhome or caravan to travel through Europe 3-4 months every year since our job is seasonal ( summer accomodations at La Paloma, an Atlantic beach resort of my country) and have all the rest of the year to do what we love... travel. Which do you consider the best option for us... car and caravan or Motorhome? Love your videos !!!
Hi Nika, that is difficult to answer! For your seasonal job - caravan. For your other travels - motorhome! A van is easier for free camping or stealth camping, but a caravan will give you more room and you have the car to get about. I'm leaning towards motorhome I think :)
Hi . .. Thank you VERY MUCH for your advise!!.. for my job i do own a small beach hotel... but it works at it´s full capacity only from december through march (our summer) . So we plan to travel during our autumn -winter season when the hotel is closed :) As we are 2 women travelling alone, occationally with a 3rd one, we plan to stay near the cities we want to visit more than countryside. Love your videos and the way you explain all that things a newbie needs to know before entering the caravan world ! Greetings , from La Paloma , Uruguay :) Ps. Sorry for my English ... for it´s not my primary language :)
Hi Mark, I love the 604! I like the fact it is 7ft 6 wide - in my opinion that makes it easier to tow on the road than, say, a wide-bodied 534. If I had the choice myself, I'd definitely go for the 604 before a wide-bodied model. My only reservation is that it seems a wee bit short on storage, and I'd recommend motor movers (which will be hugely expensive) as they will make it easier to manoeuvre on site, especially if you want to go 'nose in' to a pitch to ensure that your rear lounge gets the best view.
+Mark Rae Taps a charaid. If you search 'Tiny House movement' you'll see stacks of stuff, mainly US based. As is always the case on both sides of the pond, it's planning that's the major obstacle... :-/
Another wonderful video, thank you. I'm taking care of family at the moment, but this will change in the plenitude of time and I"ll be on the road until age or a change of heart dictates I settle somewhere. I haven't decided whether I will stay in the US with a caravan or travel more lightly out of a backpack through Latin America, Asia, and, if I can afford it, Europe. Since a caravan (we mostly call them trailers or house trailers here in the US) is a possibility, your show is educational. Since I'm writing from the relatively libertarian United States-which at least partially explains why we're always shooting each other all the time-the numerous rules you seem to have in Britain about 28-day limits sound peculiar to my ears. Certainly in the US rules get attached to property by various legislative bodies as well as by developers, but there is still plenty of unencumbered land where I could park my trailer (either as the owner or with the owner's permission) and stay there indefinitely. So, with all due respects to Britain and British lawmakers (frankly I would prefer to live there and escape some of the madness that gives rise to things like guns and Trumps), I'm curious why there are so many restrictions about where and for how long you can park your beautiful Airstream. Without naming names, is it possible that these laws actually targeted a specific group?
+Mason West Hi Mason, thanks for your message and I hope the family situation improves soon. I think the main reason for the 28 day rule is because we are so short of space on our crowded little island. Notice I always say 'England and Wales' as the rules are different in Scotland where there is far more space. You have to be aware that as I'm speaking in the public domain (RUclips) I just say about the rules as I understand them and leave it there. However...we have this crazy system where, if you can 'get away with' flouting the law for something like seven years straight and live somewhere 'illegally' but unreported to the authorities, then your status switches to legal. That tells you all you need to know - it's not so much about rules, it's about not getting caught! If that isn't the legal system condoning 'not getting caught' rather than 'respect the law' then I don't know what is!
Andrew Ditton I could be wrong, but I think gaining legality after a certain period of time is a concept of English Common Law (off which the American legal system is also built). If I'm a surly rancher in West Texas, and my neighbor lives in Houston and almost never visits his ranch, I can move my fence line well inside of his property. If he doesn't notice and complain (in the courts) within a certain period of time, then the property I've surrounded becomes legally mine (even though it seems as though it would be theft). Though you may have answered my original question in that wonderfully discreet, sotto voce way the British have, Americans are notoriously bad at not catching it. What I'm really asking is whether the restrictions about caravans lingering too long in any one place are actually meant not to target vacationers and semi-retired travelers, but ethnic groups like Roma and Tinkers, at the center of whose culture is mobile housing.
I don't think that the law is there to deter traveller groups, I think it is more to do with controlling development of our crowded island. You'll find that most travellers know the law and their rights inside-out, more than I ever would. I do know that it is illegal to force entry or cause damage getting onto land, so we see height barriers and padlocks everywhere, or local bye-laws preventing overnight stays. While spoiling it for everyone, some leisure 'vanners who do not understand the principle of 'contribution' in return for being somewhere (e.g. supporting local businesses or tidying up the area they are camped) are just as guilty of instigating such restrictions.
Mason West actually it's hard to find places where you can perminatly park and live in a trailer in the US. Forest Service and BLM Land has a 14 day limit. Many counties or cities don't allow permanent living in an RV unless you are in a designated trailer park. That is why people who own tiny homes are always talking about the gray areas of the law.
Great video 👍 loving Doogle 😍 your videos are very helpful,I am considering this very seriously, totally different to my wild camping but as a permanent way of life with a caravan seems perfect for me, I've considered buying a piece of land and suddenly found how un-straightforward it really is (planning permission etc) seems so unfair 😥😡😐 I'm still going to eventually give up my "home" as I'm looking more to some freedom than the teadious and stressful living in the city and the expense too. I've just found your channel and I've liked the video's I've watched and I've subscribed too👍😀 I would be so grateful for any advice you could give, wishing you both the very best, Eddie.
Cheers Eddie, and thanks for subscribing! Most folks I know who 'live' in their caravans (me now included) do so in relation to a job, otherwise folks just keep on moving which can get quite tiring... there is a reason that the state doesn't make it easy! :-/
@@andrewjditton I am considering maybe buying some land and possibly start an animal rescue/respite center (I'm ex RSPCA so worship animals) I have to look further into it but I maybe be able to then have a home and most importantly do what I do and love best, caring for animals both domestic and wild. xx
Hi Patrick, apologies, it's so hard to avoid jargon! In England and in Wales, boondocking (what we call 'wild camping') is effectively outlawed. As a concession, the two major clubs are allowed to operate this network of privately owned and run 'Certificated Locations' (CLs - Caravan Club) or 'Certificated Sites' (CSs, Camping & Caravanning Club). These sites are exempt from planning permission rules BUT they can only accept 5 units for up to 28 days per unit, and the owners HAVE TO be members of the affiliated Club. More and more CLs and CSs are offering power and bathroom facilities, but there are still many that are little more than a field with a tap and a black water pit, and these can be great value! It's amazing how camping differs between countries. All the best.
Thanks so much for the reply. I understand how this works now. Are you familiar with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in the US? This is great way of boondocking or wild camping. Here is a link if you are interested in reading more www.rv-camping.org/blmcampgrounds/. All the best, Patrick
Cheers Patrick! Hopefully super-useful to those already there or those lucky ones who are elsewhere and realising their dreams of touring the US in an RV :)
It's a small privately owned site, maximum five caravans, and is affiliated to the Caravan and Motorhome Club (CL) or Camping and Caravanning Club (CS), and you have to be a member to stay there. There are other rules too, like no leaving your rig empty for the night and maximum stay of 28 days.
I'd like to winter tour but, my caravan is freezing, on mains hook up, heating blasting for two hours, I open the door and it was like opening a fridge door. How do you keep the caravan warm in winter? Loving the videos 😊 thank you 😊
Hi Julie, I find when you are heating up any caravan from below 10 degrees C, you need gas AND electricity, or just gas if you're off grid, to get it up to temperature. In my caravan, I put the Alde on gas and 2kW for about 60-120 minutes, then once the heating is roaring and up to about 14-16 degrees I can knock off the gas. In cold weather I find that mains leccy can only hold a temperature, it can't warm the caravan from scratch without taking about 8 hours. Hope this helps!
Andrew Ditton Thank you so much 👍 I will try this. I'm a bit scared of gas in caravans. I try to use electric for everything. I'm the person who won't sleep until the gas is isolated at the bottle. Thanks for solving my heating problem 👍😊
There is absolutely nothing wrong in wanting to be safe not sorry and turning off the gas at the regulator every night. If the site supply is 16A, another option is to put the heating on 2kW then use a 1000w fan heater to help boost it up to temp, but that will take longer than a gas boost. Don't forget you can't use the kettle till you turn off the fan heater!
Another great informative video Bob fae Scot Another great video I store my caravan at a fantastic Cl site called Gallowhill in Kinross Perthshire. Pull it out onto site only 8.00 pounds a night. Bob fae Scotland
Depreciation can be almost wholly averted by never, ever buying a new, nearly new, or even relatively new caravan, let alone car. Most caravans suffer brutal depreciation from new, yet there are thousands of extremely good condition caravans which do not leak and have almost as new qualities even when they are ten years old, provided the previous owners have looked after them. I've seen perfectly good caravans on sale for as little as £1,500 compared to their new price of £10,000-£16,000.
Really informative, and great insight. With my rent increasing noisy neighbours, a cold house for 550 per month bill and council tax on top. A year in caravan, to have peace and quiet, a dog and save money is sounding very tempting. You videos are helping to know the reality of what life will be like. Thanks
Cheers! It's not all a bed of roses, but I like it! Good luck with your dreaming.
However it’s looked at living in a caravan is cheaper than renting or buying a house hence why I did it myself
I was just sat here thinking I wish Andrew would upload a new video because I really enjoy them and find them full of useful and informative information, well what do you, switched on my laptop and to my delight..........thanks Andrew 😀
Thank you! I try to maintain a schedule of Sunday - Living Simply, and Wednesday - Vlog. Then other bits and pieces as and when.
Just looking at buying my first van, very good advice. thank you.
Another hit, Mr. Dougal, ahem, Ditton! :)
So many people think van life or caravan life is cheaper, and it can be, but there are many costs, as you pointed out, that those new to the life haven't considered. If one is only measuring the cost comparison of various ways to live, then yes, sharing a flat with another rent paying human or two, on a public transport line, is likely the most cost effective. BUT! The loss of freedom, for me, makes that a no-go.
My highest ideal is freedom, and it drives all of the decisions I make--in my personal and work life. I have lived a life of voluntary simplicity for most of my life (with a few aberrant years of over-consumption thrown in for good measure). Living simply not only has positive effects on the bank balance--if you are an introvert AND an HSP, like me, then the minimizing of physical, emotional, and dare I say psychic clutter helps to keep my mind and life peaceful. Too much static (possessions, obligations, etc.) wears me out!
Learning to cook simple, healthful meals, plant-based, can greatly offset costs. Shopping local and in-season--at the farmers market or co-op can yield top quality fruit and veg at the best prices. I know some van dwellers who eat out every meal (and crap, I tell ya) and they wonder why their living costs are so high.
Would be a great follow-up to talk about the costs you don't have to bear when full-timing (new roof for the house, major electrical and plumbing concerns, property tax, etc.).
Be well, and treat yourself to a Heidi pie! :)
Thank you my very dear Shanna! :) I agree with you 100% about the personal space and freedom, but I thought I'd better mention the cheaper alternative. I lived in a shared house twice - never again. I'd rather be on my own in a van than sharing a house, but I know many others who think the opposite. I'm still on that decluttering journey (the ideal would be to minimise/find the root cause of the migraines which I am 100% convinced is bad energy) and that's half the reason for stating all this RUclips malarky - a self-inflicted kick up the backside and also to show people that not all of us who crave the Simple Life get there without pain and effort. I love the idea of a talk about the positives... hmm. There is SO MUCH ground to cover but I have to pace myself to one a week, and even that seems to fill my head for days! All the best to you :)
Shanna Trenholm. Hello Shanna - I’m just like you! You’ve just summed-up all that’s important to me, and how I’ve always lived my life. I thought I was a one-off. I never realised it until I asked the internet what HSP is, and discover I’m a lot of that too! I’m smiling now cos suddenly I don’t feel quite so odd and alone. That’s HUGE. Thank you so much. Chris X
How I beat the system in the UK and its done by a few loop holes the main one been only one person is permitted to live in the barn 2 people or more and planing Laws come into force and its classed as a encampment. Next with planing approved I built a timber framed barn style out building rendered bricks on the out side then I moved in after I fitted my arga for heating and hot water and to cook on but been very carful not to put a kitchen, bed room or even bath room that resembles any thing like a house. If a bed is seen or a kitchen by the Council planing officer who will visit ever 6 months and can enter any building with out a Warrent for up to 4 years they have the power to fine you up to £3500 and £2 a day until you move out. After 4 years the council must acsept what you have done called the 4 year rule. After 10 years your allowed to turn your out building in to a house it may seem a long time but from day one there was no way I could ever build a house where my home is now and all the time I've lived there paying no Council tax, rent, or water rates as I have a fresh stream that flows on my land so fresh I even drink it. To avoid the law my bed can never be seen as my fitted table doubles as my bed by putting my air mattress on it when not on use my bed returns to a large table while storing the mattress out of site in a cubourd. This now gives me the main loophole in living in my out building UK law states I must not sleep in any building with out been past by Council planing so never admit to sleeping or even cooking in your unaficial home when asked you cook out side. That it's my home that is leagle lived like this for to many years to remember. Firstly I owned a house that had a garden across the road. I did every thing leagle firstly got planing for a out building in the style of a barn. and the local Council have visited £350 it cost to take that off my house deeds. It's very easy and even the land did not cost me any thing as did not lower the price I sold the original house building for. It was all so easy to live free no costs and no cares. My fuel is even free due to living next to a forest and my job been a coffin maker MEENS I have endless supplies of off cuts for fire wood.
That is FASCINATING Karl, I had no idea about all these little loopholes and such. I admire your skills and determination, and doff my cap to the way you have dared challenge the paradigm and live life on your own terms.
Looks like Dougal is totally bored by the topic. Must be because you failed to mention doggie treats for him! Come on Andrew, I thought you were a better 'Doggie Parent' than that! Still saving pennies for my own AirStream in the mean time I shall have to make do with a vintage RV, but if it makes it all the way to Alaska it will have served its purpose!
Hi mate, my wife and I are living in Australia and are soon to purchase a caravan, so thank you for your video and great first hand advice mate, cheers
Lots of great info, thank you 😀👍 just one thing... you will never find a room in or near an Oyster card zone for £200 a month 😂😂😂 its more like £200 per week but then we don't strive to live this way to save money do we 😎
Ha ha! I kind of meant 'Generic public transport card' but had been working in London too long myself at the time ;@) Cheers!
Depreciation or not ,nothing compare the Life Style of Living a camper or Motorhome.Nothing better in Life that wasting money on something you reaaaaly enjoy,after at the end of the day We all waste money somehow.My 2 cents.
Thanks Andrew. Very helpful. I've stopped getting the paper version of the C&CC's magazine but remember it was a good way to look up those temporary holiday sites. Not found it so easy on their website. I must switch back to paper!
don't think you'll find a room for a couple of hundred pounds a month that'll be near enough to london for an oyster card to be of much use!
£10 a night, still pricey, you can rent a 1 bedroom ensuite flat with kitchen, up north for £250-300 a month
Interesting about the paper bag - I used keep mine on the windowsil as a student till a woman made a comment they were green and toxic in the light, decades later I find most people including those selling spuds don't know that... thanks for the tips on cheap sites, I had wondered how on earth anyone could afford the daily fees advertised as normal...
People put to much emphases on how much money they will loose on a e,g caravan, Motorhome or property. Depreciation on such items only comes into effect "if" you decide to sell. If your not selling it can depreciation 100% and it wouldn't make any difference at all.
I mean i love airstreams but the cheapest is 75k euros :( A very good caravan with the same size is about 15k to 20k over here and that’s not even the budget model.
A now vintage video, however the advice still rings true today. The Airstream is very shrewd investment, if anything is going to shrug off depreciation it’s an airstream.
Hi just a comment on living in a caravan. I have been in myn 4 years now and the key is planning where the sites are in the area where you want to be as the 28 day stay . Book all the sites in advance job done great life style I recommend it
those prices are cheaper than I pay for a tent with my dog.
Rallies can often provide good value pitching and there are many groups you can cheaply join to get access to loads of those.
I don't know if you ever mention about having a satellite internet connection on a caravan or mothorhome using a regular antena that you to setup yourself instead of the expensives roof automatic types.Thank you
Andrew, I guess that many people that considering living in a RV it is because they like that kind of life style, but if it is only for the financial aspect we have to considering the following (based on my experience in Australia):
It is much cheaper and easy to live in a large van (Ford Transit, Sprinter, Fiat,etc) that living in a caravan and the reason is based on easy to get free sites, over night or for longer period and also the maintenance of one vehicle only.
I lived nearly 3 years in a converted 22 seats community bus and only paid accommodation for 2 nights because my fault of not planning in advance.
That, here in Australia represent a saving of over $ 200 to $400 a week depends on the state and city.
I do not know how expensive is the rent or real estate in UK but here, renting can go for $300 to easy $ 700 a week again in relation to location. That will be more that any depreciation in a 3 or 4 years old van.
Home loans for the young or retired? forget it they cannot afford it and if they have the deposit the repayments will not cover the increase value of the property.
Add to that council rates, maintenance, water, electricity, etc and will come a non sustainable life.
Not wonder the van living have become a solution in USA that have similar problems than here in Oz.
Keep posting, I like your videos and humor.
Cheers
Thanks a lot for taking the time to give us a peek into Oz van life! Real estate prices in the UK are stupid crazy. Van living can save a stack of money - BUT - unlike Australia and the US there really is nowhere left on this crowded little island that you can 'disappear' for a while. I hear of many van dwellers here that soon tire of running, and end up either on a site or reconsidering. Also, weather is an issue here...it can get so damp and cold here, so heating fuel is a consideration...and if you have a wood stove then you need to keep a stack of wood dry. It's something I don't go into much as there are some far more informed people out there than me about that! Thanks again, and all my best wishes to your wonderful, beautiful country :)
You tips and tricks and great pics are such fun. Greetings from Canada. RVing here has a shorter season😔snow and all😊
Dugal seems to have clung to every word! anyway,,,it was a very interesting topic,,,to me, that is!
Well, I got a kiss on the nose at the end so that's about as much approval as I'll get from him :)
I wonder if caravans/motorhomes could be over-insulated so they become essentially passive? Maybe it'd be weight prohibitive?
That's a great idea. But I guess there is a ventilation issue, and the mech to ensure sufficient air changes etc might as you say get weight prohibitive.
A tiny house community near public transport links? Sounds great, Andrew! Maybe you could say more about that, and people could flag up their interest. Get a group together online, and it might become a reality! :) Happy days all round!
That would be amazing. The trouble is Sarah, as soon as you get that permission, only 'Park Homes' make it viable. Or Tiny Houses that will end up costing an arm and a leg. I'm sure it's doable, I just don't think I have the fight.
Great. I'm a new subscriber so thank you Andrew. I've no intention of joining your way of living but I do admire your commitment to it, particularly as you sell it as it is...the reality check is an honest approach that informs your subscribers from an experienced viewpoint.
Looking forward to catching up on your other episodes !
Thanks Rob!
Good work there Mr Ditton. Some good informative information! Cathy's cake looked lush. One useful thing that I have found whilst staying on a narrowboat is the heating power of a couple of cheap IKEA* tealights. Helps cut down on your heating and also adds a bit of ambiance. It goes without saying that you should never leave candles burning unattended etc! Also wearing leather and a hoody will keep you toasty warm. Or just snuggle with a very impressed looking Dougal.
*other tealight suppliers are available
Top tip Al, cheers!
Hi Andrew, doogle always looks frozen on the seat curled up with his little feet tucked in, try a little dog blanket on him i bet he would love it. BE WELL.
I do cover him with his 'Dougal' blanket. He hates it and shakes it off. I think he just likes snuggling up :)
Hi Andrew, I'm just starting touring myself with a little dog very simular to dual :) maybe meet up one day, be nice cheers for now
I'm not difficult to spot :)
USA here! Love this. Live full time in a 5 th wheel.
Welcome aboard Elaine!
Very helpful video! Dugal is so cute!!!! 😻
Thanks Jeanine! And yes, he SO knows that! :)
LOL!!!
Hi Andrew, I'm worried about Doogle, have you drugged him ! Is he breathing
Ha ha! There is chilled, and then there is Dougal... ;@)
Some really good advice. I would also like a small place of my own but can't afford anywhere as a single person on the minimum wage. I'm not getting any younger so the thought of paying off a mortgage with interest until retirement is not very appealing. I must start doing some researching and asking lots of questions as there are so many choices!
Sounds like you are already on the right track Ben by realising where you are and that you might need to follow your own path rather than just the everyday 'easy' (in the short term) one. Good luck and I wish you every success :)
Good info as always Andrew. BTW, some great sites here in N.Ireland - if you ever get to this neck of the woods..
Oh my word Michael, you've just rekindled a long-standing wish of mine. I would LOVE to visit Northern Ireland, especially the wild North West. It would have to be a long-ish trip to make the ferry fare viable so that's a possibility for 2018. Cheers!
Living cheaply is boring
Ur dog probably thought u were sing a lullaby for doggy so the dog fell asleep instantly. Good information u had.
Glad you liked, cheers!
For the first part of the video I thought "this is all quite obvious" but I had no idea about the temporary holiday sites, so glad I watched it all, and thanks for the info.
Cheers! It's hard to pitch a video, as some folks are coming in without any experience, and others have been at it for years. With the 'Living Simply' videos I pitch them more to people who are considering 'making the leap' from the rat race, and trying to present my experiences as honestly, openly, and thoroughly as possible. When you stop and think, you wonder why some people change their 'van every couple of years when there is nothing wrong with the one they have and they like it. There are SO MANY people who really don't see depreciation as a real cost and real money. Anyway, well done for sticking with my rambling to the bitter end! :)
Note to US residents, I believe that in the UK, you can buy a used car or camping trailer (caravan) without paying sales tax... in California, if you buy a used car or trailer, tax paid once already, the state makes you pay again ... ! Yep ... as an expat here, always thought that strange. Is that still the same in the UK? No taxes on private party sales ?
great advice very helpful indeed certainly got me thinking about being on the move and doing some sightseeing on my small income
Cheers Stephen, glad you found it useful.
Thanks for the really great and detailed info.
Great video, thanks.
If this is being done full time how do you earn a living? What about a permanent address for banks, doctors, etc? How do register your vehicle or provide a post code for your insurers?
Another great, informative, video. Thanks again.
Cheers John!
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Is that dog real or a dummy
andrew how many batteries do you have in the van, and what size wats is your solar panel
Hi Mike, blooming good question and one I have forgotten to address so far. The solar panel is about 100 watts I think, and I have two 110amp batteries. I must hasten to add that I don't have a telly or anything like that - just the laptop, but I try and use my tablet when off grid and no sunshine, then charge it up when it's light. Cheers.
Great video Andrew, keep up the good work and looking forward to hearing about the next steps for you ;o) In my view someone like the Caravan Club etc should have you as their front man to promote Caravanning etc and raise their profile online with video and social media ;o)
Great video Andrew. I think most people are concerned with the day to day costs, but many forget the depreciation of equipment. And yes, the fuel you use boondocking can exceed an inexpensive site with electric and water. Oh, don't forget the cost of video equipment. It's not cheap! Laughs. Then the cost of mobile data... I'm not sure what it costs where you are, but serious caravaners who work online in the US might have $75-$100 plans with 2 or 3 carriers at a time. Take good care.
Cheers Jon! Yes, I've just renewed my mobile plan... gulp. I guess here I was more looking at just the actual camping costs. There is a future video planned about staying online on the move :)
Aha, I would have noticed that you were talking about the actual caravanning costs if I weren't so dim this morning... laughs.
Don't put yourself down! As we say in the UK, that's my job to do that... ;@)
Purchased used after having it checked out is the economic way to start this. What if you don't stay with this lifestyle?
hi Dougal!
Hi Andrew, is it difficult to get things like insurance and health care with no permanent address?
Your experienced explanation about depreciation and maintenance cost is of course accurate. If I may I'd respectfully like to speak from experience, and that is depreciation does not always apply!
My first caravan purchased March 2012, was a 1998 Sterling Eccles Diamond 2 berth (is that vintage?) purchased for £2300 from a dealer, which I cherished and kept clean and polished, and sold it 2 years later for the princely sum of £2950 (privately) For the second caravan I was the very proud owner of a Bessacarr Cameo 495SL purchased for £4500 from the same dealer, and over the three years once again it was kept washed, polished, and cherished. Maintenance cost involved a new set of tyres, and annual services by the said dealer for £85 a throw. That sold 2 months ago for £4900 (again a private sale) It possibly would have made a little more, but it needed to go to help fund the new one! The important thing is to keep them well looked after and maintained, and when advertised for sale take lots of good pictures (and not library images!)
The latest rig is a 2014 Coachman VIP 520, unfortunately this one is going to depreciate though, but no amount of money could buy the amount of joy it will bring.
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Absolutely - as the C&CC used to promote, you are never richer than when camping! Full-timing is of course doable in older rigs, but of course you will be spending a lot more time and money on maintenance.
Good one mate!
Good Andrew
i live in hampshire and almost all sites are closed over winter, know any good websites? great channel please keep it up thanks
thanks again enjoying watching your this-is-how-it-really-is style videos. I really want a tiny house somewhere but not sure where. My feeling is I like the idea of van life more than campervans or caravans. I just have to try everything out and see how it feels.Life everywhere has become so ridiculously expensive renting, buying, overspending and cluttering homes with things we don't really need. At the moment I am on the third and what i hope will be the final stage of decluttering and downsizing. Working really hard on clearing debts and doing really well.
I think the next stage after that is saving up enough money to rent a van and seeing if I can live in it for two months. I follow Bee and Theo of the Indie Projects and that has been a real eye-opener i have learnt a lot. The idea of towing a caravan kind of scares me but we will see. It seems from what you are saying it is worth joining the caravan and campers club does it cover Europe?
Congratulations on already making so much progress! Bee and Theo are great, aren't they? Most people are scared of towing a caravan until they actually do it, then wondered why they were scared! The two main clubs do offer European breakdown cover at an additional cost but it is quite expensive for the year. They can also book overseas sites for you but I would guess you would prefer to find your own? Good luck with the rest of the project!
I forgot to say... Dougal seems really stressed out from this way of life doesn't he !
Another excellent video Andrew. It’s given me plenty of ideas.
Working my way through your vlogs/videos Andrew, enjoyable informative viewing to a wannabe caravan owner. I'm guessing your navara is auto, does towing make much of a mpg difference ? Don't see me getting my GS in the back :-) keep it up and I look fwd to watching more. Michael.
Hi Michael, welcome aboard! :) In fact my Nav is manual. I get about 25mpg towing and 35mpg solo, but I have a very light right foot and drive like I'm towing even when solo! I used to get a 260kg 1993 Triumph Daytona in the back so maybe a GS is doable? A van would be a better bet I guess but I just like my Tonka Toy Truck. All the best mate.
Really enjoying your vids. I'm seriously thinking about doing this for a more simple stress free life but, I have 2 cats.. Does anybody do this with cats? I'm not thinking about doing it forever just to get some money behind me and the cost of renting flats is so high now I can never find enough to live and save for a deposit. If your talking about £300 per month then thats a saving of about £7500 a year! ish? Many thanks. Martin
Yes, my friends K&K have an elderly cat, and I see cats on campsites too. Check out The Indie Projects channel as Theo and Bea take their cat camper-vanning with them. I guess they need to either be house cats or get used to being on a lead. It's not insurmountable! Don't forget you have to factor in the cost of the van and stuff... I was only talking an 'average' pitch rent over the year, and it can easily be £500-600 per month. Good luck!
Hi Andrew, a very informative chat. Thank you. Your comments about joining a caravan club are well placed for saving money and finding preferred sites. Here in the U.S. we have several similar clubs that offer access to preferred sites. But some clubs have large annual fees and others not. You really need to plan your travels get the best return on your club fees. In the U.S. caravanning is becoming very popular which causes preferred summer site prices to climb to about $30 to $40 a night in Colorado. A natural response to supply and demand. To better control your site costs it is very helpful to make a plan of where you are staying for the next six months or so. This plan allows you to make early reservations and many times reduce site costs. Thank you and happy travels my friend.
Hey Robert, thanks for taking the time to make such an interesting and useful post about the US. Like you say, site fees wherever climb to respond to demand. Planning for such makes jolly good sense. I think things like that soon come with experience, but it's a super point and one which I forgot to labour. Thanks a lot and happy travels!
Love, love your videos. Living in the Pacific Northwest means there are many free places to Boondock, and 'Snowbirding' in Arizona and New Mexico, is very cheap too. Too bad it would be difficult getting Dougal back into the UK if you came here for a holiday. Ah, the sacrifices we make for our pets, no wonder he's so generous with his doggie kisses!
I'm a huge fan of the Pacific Northwest, esp Mount Rainier and Hood River/Oregon. But yes, I won't fly Dougal, and I've looked into sailing and that isn't much better, as he would have to stay in the kennel for the week's voyage. Thanks for your support!
how much is your seasonable pitch?
Hi Andrew, a very interesting vlog because, as you may remember Tina and |I start living the dream full time from the 1st February 2018. We have booked our first site for two months but your talk has helped tremendously with ideas for future planning. Tina has already insisted on Scotland and the Outer Hebrides after watch your series. Please keep up the excellent vlogs in the sure knowledge we will be watching!
Glad to be of service John, see you on the road!
The cost is definitely going up each year, we have noticed that in the last 4 seasons of caravan ownership. And having 1 child still in school we have to have the 2 week in summer holidays at a largish commercial site. Another great vid by the way...........carry on.
Thanks Graham! Having kids in school can make CLs look even more attractive although a friend of mine's wife won't hear of going off-grid and going without her hair straighteners! 'Hair like a coconut' was the phrase she used. There's no doubt that while stripping the kids of their electronics, playgrounds and amusements might make for this perceived 'family time' it also makes it a loss less relaxing for the parents who need to take on the role of 24/7 entertainer. All the best.
U talk sense good videos 👌
Cheers, thank you!
On "Wild Camping" where can one do it (places wise) in the UK, where the local authorities won't bother you?
'Wherever they won't find you' is the simple answer... and good luck with that one. The only place in the UK where it is approaching legal is in Scotland, but again you have to make sure that you are inconspicuous and not upsetting anyone. Sadly some folk have taken to living in and trashing lay-bys in places like the Isle of Skye, so stand by for this last bastion to be outlawed soon...
you should do a video on your dog!!!
AllAboutAnn Funny you should mention that Ann. Here's one I did a few years ago...maybe time for an update? ;) ruclips.net/video/BCbGIxYBvOE/видео.html
hi Andrew great video and very informative. was that my local campsite Hoddom Castle in Dumfries? ?? spend many a great weekend there
Yes it was! I stayed there on the way up to the islands when Skerryvore were playing Dumfries. Isn't it an amazing site? Loved it!
Andrew, have you considered to move in any warm place in winter like south Spain/France/Italy? You should able to be off grid and here (in Italy) there are good campings near the sea for 15€/19€ per day with ACSI card.
Hi Mattia, until now I always had to think about my job, but that finishes soon. It is definitely easier to go off grid in warmer and sunnier places which is why I don't do it for more than one or two nights in the British Winter. Who knows...maybe I will give it a go next winter?! Thanks a lot.
I get it, sorry i miss that point: "job question" :). Anyway if you you want more details just drop me a line. We know really good and cheaper spot in Italy. I'm the guy under caravantrips.it and we fighting every day to find cheap spot in order to spend more days possibile in caravan. Our job, basically, let us to stay around 100days/year in caravan but not continuously.
Andrew, a very useful video. Thank you for sharing.
Going from strength to strength.
No wonder the number of subscribers is going up and up.
Time for a howto on security soon? I think a lot of people are put off by feeling vulnerable sleeping in a tin box in the middle of a field and caravans are expensive so what about leaving them in the middle of nowhere while you go out for the day.
Thanks Cliff, you say all the right things! Dan Trudgian and I are planning a collaboration on just that subject - both physical security and online security. Watch this space! :)
hi andrew what would you recommend joining? the caravan club? or the camping and caravanning club? or both? are there pros and cons ect?
I'd say both to start with as we are all looking for different things. I've heard both good stories and bad stories about both, and I have had both positive and negative experiences with both myself. My only point would be that the CC seems to have the wider choice of Certificated sites, and the C&CC seems to have more Temporary Holiday Sites. Another decider might be your favourite sites. I originally joined C&CC just for Norman's Bay campsite near Eastbourne! Both offer great tech support, too.
Is there a council worker for every single caravan that follows you everywhere and start counting days every time you stop at your friends driveway and force you to move away after? :))))
No, but there *are* Nimbys who will do the job for them... :(
Also i think storage costs has to be factored in for many people. I have a small storage room which costs me around 50 quid a month
Excellent point Simon. That is something I will touch on when I do a 'decluttering' video. Cheers!
Love watching your videos! I watched your video you recommended. Very helpful to know that you need to gradually work up to your dog biking with you. I have taken Fiona the pug tubing down a river and she did awesome!
Oh that sounds brilliant! Fiona sounds like a character. Dougal would have none of that - he hates water. He looks at me when I go kitesurfing, thinks 'No way!' and heads back to the comfort of the trailer ;@)
great very informative
how would you get electric if there wasnt a hook up on site? sorry if you already explained i must of missed it
Hi Jay, I made a video about that here, cheers! ruclips.net/video/w1wBQ-iHmPU/видео.html
so when you park like you are right now you connect to the mains supply right
Yes Mike, sorry I didn't make that clear. My seasonal pitch has a 16A hook-up included in the price. I find that the added energy cost and faff (running a generator or keep fetching gas) is not worth it between November and March unless I'm escaping to the wilds for a proper break for a few days.
Grilliant!!!! video Andrew. I have a 2 berth tourer in storage at present as ive been waiting on some surgery which is now complete. I understand the benefits of solar panels however they are very expensive as an initial outlay. I am thinking of buying a 1000W generator with battery charger for certain times when I can stay on a pitch without power. With your vast knowledge and experience would you say this would be a good alternative for off-grid power? Just adore the Jack Russell and ironically I have just acquired one too, one man and his dog hey...
Hi David, glad to hear you're back on your feet. Generators are noisy and fuel is expensive. Solar panels only work if it's good weather. The choice, I'm afraid, is purely down to your personal requirements.
Hi @@andrewjditton many thanks for your speedy reply. The intention to go for a generator is mainly as a back up to charge battery and maybe wild camping where hopefully no one else would be, wishful thinking...Anyway keep up the great work
Fab video, just spotted my friends lovely van in your video! So true, I have gone vintage, saved lots and learned a lot ! :)
Oooh! Which one?
Both the retro caravans :)
I know I've long since missed the deadline for the Q&A vids, but I'd like to know about water usage - esp as I have long hair to wash 3-4 times per week! Do fixed pitches have shower block thingies?
Um, I'm not sure I understand the question! Some sites have shower blocks, some don't, some have service pitches where there is a fresh water connection at every pitch, but most pitches are the 'regular' type where you have to go fetch your water. Most people use a 40 litre barrel called an Aquaroll to fetch the water. The water heater in the van is 10 litres, meaning you get a 5 minute shower. If you're washing hair, it's a case of wetting it, turning off the water, shampoo, then turning it on again to rinse. I don't have this problem! ;)
Andrew Ditton Looks like you understood the question perfectly. :) Thanks! Yes, I thought military showers would be the order of the day. I do them at home sometimes to save hot water costs a bit.
Andrew on full time touring what happens if you need to see a doctor
You can register as a visitor in most cases and a local GP will see you, but sometimes this is for urgent problems only. Otherwise it's a case of 'back to base.'
Hi Andrew. I live in Uruguay and with a friend we decided to buy a motorhome or caravan to travel through Europe 3-4 months every year since our job is seasonal ( summer accomodations at La Paloma, an Atlantic beach resort of my country) and have all the rest of the year to do what we love... travel. Which do you consider the best option for us... car and caravan or Motorhome? Love your videos !!!
Hi Nika, that is difficult to answer! For your seasonal job - caravan. For your other travels - motorhome! A van is easier for free camping or stealth camping, but a caravan will give you more room and you have the car to get about. I'm leaning towards motorhome I think :)
Hi . .. Thank you VERY MUCH for your advise!!.. for my job i do own a small beach hotel... but it works at it´s full capacity only from december through march (our summer) . So we plan to travel during our autumn -winter season when the hotel is closed :) As we are 2 women travelling alone, occationally with a 3rd one, we plan to stay near the cities we want to visit more than countryside.
Love your videos and the way you explain all that things a newbie needs to know before entering the caravan world !
Greetings , from La Paloma , Uruguay :)
Ps. Sorry for my English ... for it´s not my primary language :)
Hi Andrew would u say an airstream 604 is a bit big as first timer?
Any advice ?
Myself my wife & 2 cockerpoos 🙂
Hi Mark, I love the 604! I like the fact it is 7ft 6 wide - in my opinion that makes it easier to tow on the road than, say, a wide-bodied 534. If I had the choice myself, I'd definitely go for the 604 before a wide-bodied model. My only reservation is that it seems a wee bit short on storage, and I'd recommend motor movers (which will be hugely expensive) as they will make it easier to manoeuvre on site, especially if you want to go 'nose in' to a pitch to ensure that your rear lounge gets the best view.
Andrew Ditton
Thanks Andrew that helps let you know how I get on!,!
Couple of things 2 sell first coz as you say not cheap 😳👍🏻
Very valuable information. Thank you. In Australia some things are a bit different. It seems airstream Australia is permanent,y closed Boo Hoo
Oh that's a bummer! :(
Andrew Ditton you and Dougal will have to come here and show yours off LOL
Thank you. ❤️💕🇺🇸
Really fascinating, as always. Would really be interested to learn more about the "tiny house" concept...
+Mark Rae Taps a charaid. If you search 'Tiny House movement' you'll see stacks of stuff, mainly US based. As is always the case on both sides of the pond, it's planning that's the major obstacle... :-/
Fascinating!
Another wonderful video, thank you. I'm taking care of family at the moment, but this will change in the plenitude of time and I"ll be on the road until age or a change of heart dictates I settle somewhere. I haven't decided whether I will stay in the US with a caravan or travel more lightly out of a backpack through Latin America, Asia, and, if I can afford it, Europe. Since a caravan (we mostly call them trailers or house trailers here in the US) is a possibility, your show is educational. Since I'm writing from the relatively libertarian United States-which at least partially explains why we're always shooting each other all the time-the numerous rules you seem to have in Britain about 28-day limits sound peculiar to my ears. Certainly in the US rules get attached to property by various legislative bodies as well as by developers, but there is still plenty of unencumbered land where I could park my trailer (either as the owner or with the owner's permission) and stay there indefinitely. So, with all due respects to Britain and British lawmakers (frankly I would prefer to live there and escape some of the madness that gives rise to things like guns and Trumps), I'm curious why there are so many restrictions about where and for how long you can park your beautiful Airstream. Without naming names, is it possible that these laws actually targeted a specific group?
+Mason West Hi Mason, thanks for your message and I hope the family situation improves soon. I think the main reason for the 28 day rule is because we are so short of space on our crowded little island. Notice I always say 'England and Wales' as the rules are different in Scotland where there is far more space. You have to be aware that as I'm speaking in the public domain (RUclips) I just say about the rules as I understand them and leave it there. However...we have this crazy system where, if you can 'get away with' flouting the law for something like seven years straight and live somewhere 'illegally' but unreported to the authorities, then your status switches to legal. That tells you all you need to know - it's not so much about rules, it's about not getting caught! If that isn't the legal system condoning 'not getting caught' rather than 'respect the law' then I don't know what is!
Andrew Ditton I could be wrong, but I think gaining legality after a certain period of time is a concept of English Common Law (off which the American legal system is also built). If I'm a surly rancher in West Texas, and my neighbor lives in Houston and almost never visits his ranch, I can move my fence line well inside of his property. If he doesn't notice and complain (in the courts) within a certain period of time, then the property I've surrounded becomes legally mine (even though it seems as though it would be theft).
Though you may have answered my original question in that wonderfully discreet, sotto voce way the British have, Americans are notoriously bad at not catching it. What I'm really asking is whether the restrictions about caravans lingering too long in any one place are actually meant not to target vacationers and semi-retired travelers, but ethnic groups like Roma and Tinkers, at the center of whose culture is mobile housing.
I don't think that the law is there to deter traveller groups, I think it is more to do with controlling development of our crowded island. You'll find that most travellers know the law and their rights inside-out, more than I ever would. I do know that it is illegal to force entry or cause damage getting onto land, so we see height barriers and padlocks everywhere, or local bye-laws preventing overnight stays. While spoiling it for everyone, some leisure 'vanners who do not understand the principle of 'contribution' in return for being somewhere (e.g. supporting local businesses or tidying up the area they are camped) are just as guilty of instigating such restrictions.
Mason West actually it's hard to find places where you can perminatly park and live in a trailer in the US. Forest Service and BLM Land has a 14 day limit. Many counties or cities don't allow permanent living in an RV unless you are in a designated trailer park. That is why people who own tiny homes are always talking about the gray areas of the law.
Great video 👍 loving Doogle 😍 your videos are very helpful,I am considering this very seriously, totally different to my wild camping but as a permanent way of life with a caravan seems perfect for me, I've considered buying a piece of land and suddenly found how un-straightforward it really is (planning permission etc) seems so unfair 😥😡😐 I'm still going to eventually give up my "home" as I'm looking more to some freedom than the teadious and stressful living in the city and the expense too. I've just found your channel and I've liked the video's I've watched and I've subscribed too👍😀 I would be so grateful for any advice you could give, wishing you both the very best, Eddie.
Cheers Eddie, and thanks for subscribing! Most folks I know who 'live' in their caravans (me now included) do so in relation to a job, otherwise folks just keep on moving which can get quite tiring... there is a reason that the state doesn't make it easy! :-/
@@andrewjditton I am considering maybe buying some land and possibly start an animal rescue/respite center (I'm ex RSPCA so worship animals) I have to look further into it but I maybe be able to then have a home and most importantly do what I do and love best, caring for animals both domestic and wild. xx
Now THAT sounds like a plan!
Great video! Many thanks. One question - what is "CL" that you refer to? I'm in the USA and am not familiar with this term. Many thanks.
Hi Patrick, apologies, it's so hard to avoid jargon! In England and in Wales, boondocking (what we call 'wild camping') is effectively outlawed. As a concession, the two major clubs are allowed to operate this network of privately owned and run 'Certificated Locations' (CLs - Caravan Club) or 'Certificated Sites' (CSs, Camping & Caravanning Club). These sites are exempt from planning permission rules BUT they can only accept 5 units for up to 28 days per unit, and the owners HAVE TO be members of the affiliated Club. More and more CLs and CSs are offering power and bathroom facilities, but there are still many that are little more than a field with a tap and a black water pit, and these can be great value! It's amazing how camping differs between countries. All the best.
Thanks so much for the reply. I understand how this works now. Are you familiar with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in the US? This is great way of boondocking or wild camping. Here is a link if you are interested in reading more www.rv-camping.org/blmcampgrounds/.
All the best, Patrick
Cheers Patrick! Hopefully super-useful to those already there or those lucky ones who are elsewhere and realising their dreams of touring the US in an RV :)
What do you mean by a "CL" site? thank you !
It's a small privately owned site, maximum five caravans, and is affiliated to the Caravan and Motorhome Club (CL) or Camping and Caravanning Club (CS), and you have to be a member to stay there. There are other rules too, like no leaving your rig empty for the night and maximum stay of 28 days.
yet another quality vlog. making me think about the future.. temporary sites seem like a great idea as just joined ccv
Victor Kent Thanks Victor! Certainly worth a browse in the back of the C&CC magazine, enjoy!
just vic please :)
Victor Kent Will remember for next time!
Hi Andrew
Great info as usual 👍🏻
Cheers Mark!
I'd like to winter tour but, my caravan is freezing, on mains hook up, heating blasting for two hours, I open the door and it was like opening a fridge door. How do you keep the caravan warm in winter?
Loving the videos 😊 thank you 😊
Hi Julie, I find when you are heating up any caravan from below 10 degrees C, you need gas AND electricity, or just gas if you're off grid, to get it up to temperature. In my caravan, I put the Alde on gas and 2kW for about 60-120 minutes, then once the heating is roaring and up to about 14-16 degrees I can knock off the gas. In cold weather I find that mains leccy can only hold a temperature, it can't warm the caravan from scratch without taking about 8 hours. Hope this helps!
Andrew Ditton Thank you so much 👍 I will try this. I'm a bit scared of gas in caravans. I try to use electric for everything. I'm the person who won't sleep until the gas is isolated at the bottle. Thanks for solving my heating problem 👍😊
There is absolutely nothing wrong in wanting to be safe not sorry and turning off the gas at the regulator every night. If the site supply is 16A, another option is to put the heating on 2kW then use a 1000w fan heater to help boost it up to temp, but that will take longer than a gas boost. Don't forget you can't use the kettle till you turn off the fan heater!
Andrew Ditton Thank you ☺
Great video mate, thanks.
Cheers!
Actually bricks and mortar does depreciate, it is land that does not.
Another great informative video
Bob fae Scot
Another great video
I store my caravan at a fantastic Cl site called Gallowhill in Kinross Perthshire. Pull it out onto site only 8.00 pounds a night.
Bob fae Scotland