The rant about using that kind of language to describe what happened to a 13 year old victim, you are 100% spot on. Children should never be viewed or described as sexual for any reason.
yes, disgusting description. reminds me of a reddit storytime video, the father said his daughter developed quickly, but decided to go INTO DETAIL about his DAUGHTER having BIG HIPS AND BREASTS. only a few people in the comments were defending him, luckily
I'm at that part just now. I went into the comments because I didn't know what to do with my shock, confusion and anger. What the actual fuck? How can no one have seen that printed, read it out loud, and then release it in a fucking documentary without demanding it edited out!?
I don't even believe that Barbara wanted to keep the kids away from their dad for safety reasons. I think she just wanted to punish the father for the divorce. She 100% strikes me as being that petty and uncaring.
I agree with you. I think she just used him being abusive as an excuse but I think even if he was the kindest dad in the world she would have still said he abused the kids and shouldn't have them
My heart breaks for Evelyn, Jerry's mother. How terrifying it must have been, whether she was aware of what truly going on or not. And to be abandonded like this. In an empty house, pitch black at night, in complete silence, dehydrated and starving, unable to do anything...for 5 days. I can't even imagine the horror. Oh my god, I can't. I hope those remaining 2 years of her life were peaceful. What a terrible case.
I had to stop the video and have a cry for her. Being left alone, sitting in her own waste and starving. So awful. I really hope she didn’t understand what happened to her son. That sounds like the worst hell imaginable, to watch your son be murdered and not be able to stop it.
The fact that a murder is what it took for the police and child services to finally remove these children from the "care" of that monster says a lot..!!! 😡
They always ignore serious cases or HUGE red flags like this.... yet they'll break up families over after a Dr visit: hospital report MISUNDERSTANDING!
@@Iowaborn14A 13yr old knows right from wrong so therefore is just as culpable as her mother. If we are going to make excuses for the childhood abuse then we would have to excuse Barbara's evil deeds too as she was abused as a child.
That detail made the situation so much worse. I hope more than anything that she was mentally deteriorated enough to not understand because I don't want to think about that kind of horror.
even if she was fully far gone to grasp the situation it is still how inhumane they left her there for 5 days covered in her sons blood! Any person would be left traumatized no matter what mental state they are in.
My god i don’t want to think about that poor woman coherent enough to know what was going on but was trapped in her body and couldn’t say or do anything about it. Then left for 5 days to suffer and think about it. That’s a level of trauma that my brain can’t handle 💔
Regarding Heather's diary entry... It's not uncommon for abused children to lie to themselves about their situation and pretend they're okay with things that they really aren't okay with. It's a kind of self protection. I wouldn't be surprised if her "excitement" over a new bike was just a way to cope with something she felt she had no control over.
I definitely think the younger teens were served too harsh of sentences, Marriam in particular because she tried to back out, but was essentially forced to go back. I hope they are all able to live their lives and stay out of trouble (well except for Barbara, she can go to hell).
I literally came down to the comments to talk about this. You're absolutely correct. Children in situations like this, with abusive, manipulative parents, often feel helpless, and sadly, the authorities in their lives are often a large part of why. Pretend for a moment that you're Heather. Your mother, your abuser, who has complete control over your life, has decided this is going to happen, and she's promised you a reward for it. You know it's wrong, sure, but here are the options you see: 1. Call it wrong, try to push back, maybe go to the authorities, and watch the authorities do what they've always done, which is nothing at all, and then you face even more abuse before the crime happens anyway. 2. Participate, avoid further abuse, and maybe even make your abuser happy for long enough that you can be left alone for a bit. Animals are wired to survive, and we are animals. Faced with those choices, I have no doubt whatsoever that Heather felt like there was no choice, and lying to herself and convincing herself she wanted this and was invested in it was a tactic to try to save her own sanity. It's horrible and horrific, but Heather is very much a victim in this situation.
The children got too much time. They were vulnerable. Think about how Heather was coerced into sex slavery. The fact that these kids committed this murder for paltry gifts shows how little they understood. 13-14 year old children are very easily persuaded by adults and going along with the group.
Yes that's what I'm thinking. In a situation like that, children will feel like they have absolutely no control but to submit to their parents and do as they're told. Therefore they try to see the brighter side to comfort themselves.
Personally, I think Miriam delivered the last blows out of compassion. She wanted out of this whole situation. She tried to leave. Coming back to the kitchen to see Jerry stabbed, beaten, and with a slit throat but still alive? That must have been terrifying. I think it was obvious Jerry could not be helped at that point (especially considering he wasn't healthy/strong because of the cancer) so maybe Miriam just wanted it to end. Just wanted Jerry to stop suffering and make this whole nightmare be done.
that's how I feel about her delivering the final blow as well. I don't think anyone besides Barbra and the 17yo should have been tried as adults. the others should have gotten serious counseling etc and then kept a very close eye on
Part of me thinks it was out of fear. Not just mercy. Perhaps it was Barbara yelling at her in the moment. It’s one of those things you’d have to visualize in your head. Step by step
@@neuswoesje590yeah, I hate to say it. But it seems kind of a double standard that both 13 year old girls were tried as adults but the 13 year old boy was tried as a child...
I am glad that you and I agree that not all women are natural mothers. Personally I think that there are already far too many selfish people on our planet already.
@@rebekahjimenez2808yeah thats the problem with pretty much all messed up families in this world, the "bad genes" seem to reproduce and jump/be passed on from generation to generation. It's a devilish never ending and self repeating cycle of de ja vue's. Apparently the bloodline of cain has passed on to later generations more so than abel's bloodline. And unfortunately as it seems there are way more bad than good genes inherited out there. You pretty much spoke out what I'm thinking all the time.
As a Psychologist.... if you have a reputation as being "the most dysfunctional family" considering the things we hear every day, that is really saying something. This story is heartbreaking
Don't ever worry about technical issues, it's not your fault. Also can I suggest an Italian case? Yara Gambirasio's story is heartbreaking and it really had a big impact on many people.
I feel horrible for what Jerry had to go through but man am I glad he was able to show those children kindness. It was probably the first time they saw a parental figure be kind to them. This case is heartbreaking.
Heather's statement about Jeff not needing to use protection because she hadn't even started her cycle yet is one of the most gut wrenching things I've heard in a long time. What a sick sick case And to kill Jerry in front of his own helpless elderly mother is just horrific 😭😭
hearing about how CPS left it alone hurt my heart. In 3rd grade I tried to tell a classroom cop once about how i was being abused and he didnt even call CPS because i had no marks:/ Investigation on childhood abuse needs to be WAY more thorough
im not saying 40k is not a lot of money, for me it is. but im actually shocked she orchestrated all of this for “only” 40k. with the way she spends she probably will have blown through that
Exactly. Yes it’s nothing to sneeze at but how far could one get on 40 grand. Especially someone so irresponsible. She’s just vile. I think it was a power thing personally
I thought of that as well. It’s not like this was going on in the 50’s. This went on in 2001! When my dad died in a car accident I got $70k from his life insurance. ( still would trade it for him). This was in ‘96 and, thanks to my narcissistic first husband, the money was gone in 3 months. He went crazy! And that was nearly 30 years ago! So $40k in 2001 … that’s ridiculous.
Yes this was a good reminder to not tell anyone when you get a bit of money, even when it's not very much, people have been killed for less. It's ridiculous.
THIS. 40k is a life changing amount for many people, but it's not going to get you too far. It's definitely not nearly enough to consider it "reasonable" motive. Of course no amount is justified, but girl come on, that's only 40k
I feel so bad for Heather and her friend. I know they should have known better, but Heather suffered so much abuse that I really don’t know what to think. Her trauma made her vulnerable and easy to manipulate on her mother’s side. That’s why I never agree when people say, no matter who or what she is, she is still your mother and you need to respect her. This is a prime example why that statement shouldn’t be true.
Shall we make excuses for Barbara too seen as though she was also abused as a child ? There are NO excuses they are all evil and deserve to be punished. How about some compassion for Jerry and his mother.
I feel worse for Heather’s friend. She didn’t know Jerry that well, so she might’ve thought everything was true. However, Heather knew what Barbara was saying about Jerry was not true. I think Miriam did the final blow probably to put him out of his misery. Remember the first time she had tried to hit him, it didn’t even affect him. But now she could hit him so hard it crushes up his skull? Most likely she was trying to end it quickly after his throat was slit. Or she was being used as the scapegoat. We don’t know if Barbara was hoping that the police would fixate only on Miriam since she is black. If someone is willing to do this to a nice man, I wouldn’t doubt that she may be bigoted.
@@sugarsundae3400 you’re the same damn person that tried making excuses for that nurse that killed all those babies saying there wasn’t enough evidence when any idiot could see there was 😂 😂
There’s a difference between being evil and being abused and manipulated your entire life. Barbara is a grown adult who’s experienced life outside of abuse and had the option of choosing to create a better life for her children, but instead she chose to abuse, manipulate, and use her children to further her own personal agenda. Barbara had her chance to become a better person, but she ruined Heather and Mariam’s chance to better themselves and their future. Also, just because people feel there are more than just 2 victims doesn’t make Jerry or his mother any less important, what happened to them was beyond tragic and i’m sure everyone watching this video feels the same. Especially his mother, the state she was left in is absolutely heartbreaking.
This is so complicated. At 13/14, you still rely heavily on your parent, and believe what they say. These kids were absolutely manipulated into committing this crime. The power dynamic between (abusive) mother and her daughter alone brings into question the daughter's ability to make a clear judgment. So many lives needlessly ruined.
Heather writing how she was excited to kill Jerry isn't a sign of her actually wanting to kill him, it's a sign of her immaturity and how manipulated she is .. that poor girl .. Kids don't understand death, teens feel immortal almost so killing isn't well understood to them :( These poor kids should have been protected..
Yeah, to me, the two girls saying how excited they were to kill him so that they can get a bike, and some rollerblades shows just how childlike they were, not cold-blooded killers.
I can't agree with that. Sure they were immature, but I don't believe that at 13 yo they didn't know what death is and that murdering people is wrong. Also, how emotionally numb one must be to keep beating up somebody completely vulnerable, defenceless, who's probably screaming in pain and begging for mercy, and as for Heather, who was also sort of a father figure to her? Not to mention poor Evelyn who they knew couldn't take care of herself and still they left her to die of hunger and thirst... No, I think they knew what they were doing and they all deserved to stay in prison.
@@lisaelisa4772 a lot of 14 year olds understand death to a degree. But without actually knowing someone that has died it can be hard to understand what death truly is. Now if you told a 13 year old “oh it’s okay to kill someone since you’ll get a reward afterwards” a kids brain would mostly likely be confused. They’d question is it actually okay to kill someone. Since the mother an “adult” began to “normalize” killing someone almost everyday. A young teenager will trust the adult. Because we are taught to trust adults. But when an adult has bad intentions, they can teach them terrible things. Now since being 13, you think you’re “independent” and you’re making your own choices. You are influenced by the people around you. What doesn’t help is that they wanted to impress the mother, and also be rewarded for doing this huge task. I’m not saying that the 13 year olds should be dismissed. But have to learn the hard way that killing is very wrong. And sadly you have to face these consequences.
Yes ,I agree especially when u say it like that " screaming out in pain and begging for help" literally begging period would ( or should) make any living thing with a heart not be able to go through with it ,even with a gun to their head. Some would rather take a bullet than to beat someone else TO DEATH! I couldn't imagine. I know there are situations in life but I'm serious when someone would start begging,screaming that should be where it stops .😢 Idk ,just so terribly sad.@@lisaelisa4772
Me too. My mother passed away from complications with dementia almost 3 years ago. My future mother-in-law was just diagnosed with Alzheimer’s and is now in a nursing home. I cannot imagine how horrible this must have been for Evelyn 😢
My one sister and I took care of our mom before and during her bad health then dementia. NOT ONE of our relatives even our older sister ever helped us. We had one male friend that would come by and watch our mom for us for about 2 hours or so, so we could get extra sleep. It’s very hard taking care of a person with dementia. It’s even worst then if that person has Alzheimer’s. My father had that 12 years earlier and we including my mom at the time took care of him. we didn’t find out till years later that we could have gotten a PCG to help us. So yes it pisses me off when people abuse the elderly especially when their handicapped.
@@zellagrace445. I feel for you went thru that with my mom. And now my sister is showing some signs. And unfortunately, I can’t deal with her, she is getting violent yelling and hitting things now. I’m handicap now myself so I can’t deal with what I went thru with my mom and her dementia.
I know! My grandmother also has later stage dementia. She doesn't even really remember who we are anymore. She sometimes will say "Oh mama and daddy are going to be so worried about me for being out so long. I need to call them!" And she will look at my mom, her own daughter and ask if she can go visit her daughter or ask where her little girl is. It's so sad....she had to be put into a memory care home and it's really nice there as far as we can tell but one of my biggest fears is that they are mistreating her. I wanted so badly to take care of her but I'm unable to do so and it breaks my heart that she even has to be anywhere but with her family. If ever there was someone who neglected her in anyway like this woman did to Evelyn omgoodness it would take everything in me not to destroy them. My grandmother is one of the most sweetest people in the entire world. My husband calls her an angel. Because that is literally what she is. She doesn't have one cruel bone in her entire body. :/
I can't believe someone finally covered this case. I played softball with Heather, and she had a great future ahead of her. She had such talent for pitching and honestly the entire game itself. It's so sad this happened, and honestly, Barbara was an interesting lady and was one of those moms who pushed and pushed until she got what she wanted out of any situation and made Heather feel so bad most of the time. I guess you could call her a "stage mom" but for softball.
I feel so sad that Jerry died under the hands of Barbara's children, who were manipulated by their own mother and brainwashing them into believing that Jerry was an abuser. Also, I feel sad that his mom, Evelyn, was either aware or not aware on what happened to her son. Regardless, Barbara is a cruel and heartless person.
As soon as you mentioned that she would try to act like the teenagers I immediately had groomer alarm bells going off in my head. From what I have heard it is very common for adults who want to groom and manipulate children to try to act like them to build up a relationship for their gain.
I keep being drawn back to a phrase that comes up in almost all cases with child attackers, "they are x age, they should know murder is wrong" and yeah, in a perfect world they should know, but it is a place of privilege to assume someone grew up given the same moral lessons as yourself. As someone who grew up in an abusive situation, outside forces trying to impose morals and values on you don't always triumph over the things you are witnessing in your life and from your family. Luckily it did for me, but it doesn't for everyone and that's how we end up with child perpetrators. I agree that these children should be punished for their crimes, but the system also needs to give these kids a chance to reform rather than lock them away in a cell for the rest of their lives. Yeah reform doesn't always work, but not allowing the opportunity for it to work makes us no better than the parents that corrupted and abused them in the first place.
Very well said. I totally agree. With therapy, education, just a real chance to make their own decisions (with supervision and probation), some of them may have become real assets to society. And this: " it is [from] a place of privilege to assume someone grew up given the same moral lessons as yourself." pretty well sums it all up.
Exactly! And I hate how she's almost being hypocritical. Like, if a grown man did something to a 17-year-old, 'that's basically a child,' but when a 17-year-old does something wrong, it will be 'he's basically a man' Let's not forget that kid's brain is not yet fully developed to have the same logic as grown-ups. And if Barbara can manipulate older people, imagine what a bunch of teenagers can do to stand up against her.
My heart dropped when I heard they left Evelyn behind after murdering Jerry. It’s insane that she was still alive. I can’t imagine what she was thinking when jerry was being killed.
I don’t know why, but the thing that struck me as horrendous the most, aside from the actual murder of course, was that his mother was watching him get murdered. Yes I know she had alzheimer’s disease, but that doesn’t mean you don’t know anything at all. And some days you are lucid and others not. She might have known exactly what she was witnessing which is devastating.
I worked in a care home and there were these residents, roommates. One was in the very late stages of dementia but when his roommate passed he became withdrawn and more jumpy, he did see the body before they could take him away.
Yea even if she recognized it was her son or not. She still witness a whole murder. She probably thought she was up next & knew she couldnt fight back, so she hust excepted her fate.
The sentences about Heather not using protection because she hasn’t yet started her period - and the media stating that she “used her youthful sexual behaviour” to seduce Jeff is absolutely deplorable! The fact that this Jeff guy was 17 and his friends were also 14 & 13 goes to show he could not get friends or a gf his own age. This case is all kinds of messed and all kinds of wrong for so many different reasons. I feel so bad for Jerry & his poor mum. When Barbara kept deliberately making her children homeless. She should’ve been arrested or institutionalised and her children should’ve been taken off her.
It baffles me how common it is for a lot of people not to take accountability for their actions. It’s either gaslighting, shifting blame, etc. Anyway, I hope Jerry’s family found healing. He could have spent more time with his mum 😔
Thank you for stressing the 13 vs 17 gap. There are so many people who don't see a problem with it including my friends. So many of them have bfs who were 20 in relationship with 16yo. I remember being bullied in high school by a buch of people bc I didn't want to date a 19yo when I was 16.😔
I remember as a freshman in high school having crushes on Seniors in the school. I was probably 15 or so at the time though. (I was held back so I was like a year or so older than most my class mates) but I started my period in 6th grade around 12/13 years old. Even now as an adult I’m still into older men. (Husband is 11 years older than me but got together when I was 25/26) but yah now looking back it’s weird for a 17 year old to be into a freshman. Two totally different mindsets going into freshman year and senior year. Though boys are usually less mature than females by a few years.
First of all 13 hasn't even finished puberty so why a 17yr old would be interested in them i don't know. at 17 most people have finished puberty so they would be much more mature and able then a 13yr old! two different life stages entirely i know 17 is young but this is still predatory.
disgusting how a child can be “treated as an adult” like they were 13 year old children who endured horrific abuse and were put into a horrible situation. they should NOT have received that much time in prison.
They knew right from wrong so are just as capable as their mother if we are going to make excuses for the childhood abuse then we must excuse Barbara's evil deeds too as she was also abused as a child. There are no excuses how about some compassion for the real victims.
Let me tell you right now. Kids are not as innocent as you think they are. Trust me, I ride the school bus everyday after school and the things that they say would probably shock you. Some even younger saying some stuff
Heather and Miriam shouldn’t have been charged as adults IMO. I mean 13 is just too young to make an adult decision but add verbal and physical abuse, psychological manipulation and statutory rape and those girls clearly shouldn’t have been held responsible to the same degree Barbara or even Jeff had been.
I agree. And it makes me crazy that the law differentiates between being charged as a minor and as an adult..except when they decide otherwise. What is the point of having that distinction if it can be changed case-to-case? It's ridiculous, imo. And I absolutely think childhood abuse and parental/guardian influence should be taken into consideration.
It'd also crazy to me that the other 13 year old boy got charged as a minor, but the 13 year old girls got charged as adults. Kinda weird. Tho I suppose it's from what they actually did? But it's still kinda weird imo
I had to stop the video halfway through to write comment.....THANK YOU for speaking up for children being sexualized. There are so many creators that use these cases to gain viewers, then make jokes and laugh during the videos about the situations they are covering. I absolutely love your willingness to use your platform for good and not for views....and I absolutely adore you for this. Thank you.
Out of all the true crime youtubers i listen to you are BY FAR the very very best. You seem so down to earth, always talk with such care love and compassion for the victims as well as bringing new cases i have never heard of instead of recycling old cases everyone covers. The quality of your presentations is absolutely top notch thank you, Danielle!
42:00 You want to know why Heather was so excited about that bike? It's twisted, but it fits. This barely teenage girl has known nothing but abuse from her mother & father. No real love. She barely knows this the new guy, despite how he's treated her. But now, all of a sudden, by following her mom's commands, she's getting positive affirmations & effectively affection from her mother. What Heather would probably consider to be love at that point. Something she was CRAVING to have from her mom, deep down. Not to mention a cessation of the abuse from her as well. So, suddenly, she's the good girl, doing what mommy wants. Getting love from mommy & rewarded for it. Of COURSE she's going to do what her mom wants. She's been conditioned to & for it, unfortunately.
Fully agree with you! Of course it's absolutely awful what they did to Jerry, but I definitely think that Heather was just desperate for her mum's approval and finally the abuse to pause/to get a bike. It's incredibly sad.
Well, actually and unfortunately, many children learn to be manipulative, heartless, and narcissistic, when they are raised by people like Barbara. I’ve watched it in some children. It’s a dog-eat-dog world for them and they are using all their skills to not only survive but get ahead. It’s worked for their mom all these years. They think it’s normal.
This is one of the most horrific cases I’ve heard covered on this channel. I care for the elderly for work, so this one hit me hard. Jerry was such a kind man, my heart breaks for him and Evelyn. Rest in peace Jerry
I just hate when people are able to mask the abuse just by being able to clean. My close friend is from similar family and the hopelessness he described is just terrible - like even if the social services are finally involved, they just say the house is clean, the fridge is full, therefore the child has to be ok. And after this there is no other way to find help.
I hate gentleness now because my Mom was only gentle in front of others. It isolated me from help. One day, a teacher told me that she would have called CPS for neglect if my sisters didn't have me but things were better with me involved.
i mean, a 13-yo not having menstrual cycle is normal, but in this case it could also be an indicator that she might be malnourished. Poor child. edit: Finished the video. Thank you for covering it and I really like the way you present all of the cases! At the beginning of the video I thought it was a case of a mother manipulating her adult gang member children to commit something but I was absolutely wrong. NEVER had I imagined it to unfold this way. just sick beyond imagination.
What made me so shocked throughout the case (still listening) is how failed those kids were. No one stepped up for those kids, no one loved them like kids are supposed to be loved. They were isolated. It wasn't there fault. They were brought up in an environment where their mother was controlling, she did everything, called every shot. I know people who either hurt themselves, or hurt others because of such situations, and they can't see a way out. I don't blame the kids, though they did it. What were they to do? Barbara was so evil (she had all those horrible thoughts, who would stop her from killing her kids??) that she could and would kill her kids if anything pushed her in that direction. She ruined the victim's life, the victim's family's life, her kids' life, her own life (DESERVED), etc.
Thank you for saying something about the 13 vs 17 age gap. It's so creepy, and can be very, very dangerous. When I was 13 I was severely traumatized. I lived in an abusive home where love was only available after getting physically or verbally abused, I was raising my siblings, my mom had just committed suicide and my sister had died of a chromosomal disorder. A friend I grew up with popped into my life, he was 17. He supplied me with marijuana and alcohol. He paid people to "keep an eye on me". He was emotionally abusive. He encouraged my eating disorder. He "proposed" to me. He forced me into sexual activities I wasn't really ready for. And he told me he wanted to get me pregnant right then. I stayed through everything because I thought he loved me, and all I wanted was to be loved by someone- anyone. Looking back as an adult, I find it disgusting. That wasn't love. It wasn't even really a relationship. At 17, you're practically an adult. At 13, you're still a child. Nothing about that is okay.
Wow I don’t know how you got through this. I’m so sorry your mother took her own life and left all that on you, I hope your able to have your son life now and not have to look after your siblings any more ✌️
I think the fact that heather was exicted for a new bike shows how young she is. I dint think she grasped the gravity of the situation. She may have been 13 chronologically but younger mentally
There is the possibility that heather was made / manipulated / ordered to write those things in her diary (based on the abuse and scapegoating previously by her mother and how quick her mother was to blame her)
One of the downsides of child protective services is the action of removing a child from a home is the LAST resort.They advise all kinds of counseling before that. The only way they would be removed immediately is if they were in immediate life threatening risk(which personally i feel MOST abuse is life threatening).
Yeah like I feel like counseling and extra help will work if the parents are just down on their luck but if there’s abuse happening, the abuser seeing a therapist won’t make them stop.
I was abused badly as a child and no one called CPS and because of it I suffer from PTSD as well as childhood trauma and anxiety attacks. I wished someone would’ve called I ended up running away and live in an orphanage for a few years and to be honest the orphanage saved my life. These children didn’t stand a chance is having Barbara for mother
@@kayciel3268Totally agree!! They take children away from parents that want and love thoer children and leave them with parents that abuse and neglect them. Of course not in all cases but,I've seen it myself. I know a women who lost custody of her children for an entire year for a failed drug test even though she was going to methadone treatment. Thankfully she got completely clean and has her kids back and they are all doing good but, it happens more often then not.
As a child, (and I still am a minor, 16) I had gone through so many visits with child protective services because of my unstable, neglectful, and abusive living situation. I would lie *THROUGH TEARS* and say that everything was okay when it obviously wasn't. (Bruises all over me, unhygienic, and dirty clothes. Things like that.) The police were called on my grandparents (guardians at the time) multiple times by our friends, neighbors, family, and even myself, yet child protective services continued to ignore our situation, and failed to remove my sibling and I from the home. Finally, when I was 14, they decided to do something about it when I had opened up about some sexual abuse that had been going on. It really saddens me to know just how corrupt the "protective" systems are these days. If those kids had been removed from the home just a little bit earlier, I feel that they would have turned out better than they did, and the violent murder most likely would have never happened the way it did, if at all. It's so aggravating.
This case reminds me so much of Shelly Knotek- both evil murderous mothers from Washington who took advantage of vulnerable people and used their children as punching bags
Oh yeah, that one. I was listening to that book and didn't realize it was a real story. At some point I thought "who in the world creates this world, and why". So I read the description and learned it was real. I still can't believe it. One of the worst ones I've heard of.
It's also very telling that Heather never told her friend that Jerry wasn't abusing her. I understand that Barbara was very manipulative but Jerry had shown her so much kindness, opening up his home and treating her like a daughter, giving them all a good Christmas. It's heartbreaking that she would do this for such a small reward.
She’s really young, and her mom represents her continued ability to survive - she didn’t do it for the reward. For all we know, her mom may even have read her journal - she may not have felt free to express her true feelings therein. Humans fear rejection by our parents, more than we fear almost anything else, and also, our number one need is acceptance, first by our parents, and then, also by others
for a child who’s been abused their whole life by their parents, a reprieve from that abuse (however short) is not a “small reward”. you have to think about how she was raised and treated. her mother had her under her complete control. and she was only 13.
@@sarahissersohn5495!!! she also could’ve been trying to justify the murder to herself. trying to find a silver lining in the horrible act she was to commit due to her mother
she was 13 years old and she had known Jerry for not even a full year that is literally nothing. He was a very nice man and he did not deserve to die, but you guys have got to stop over exaggerating the role he played in her life, he would not have been a father figure though he was very kind to her, but he was absolutely nothing compared to her mom.
Danielle... i know I've commented this before.. but you, ma'am, have a gift. Your story telling is so enchanting and your details supercede other crime channels by a landslide. You're delightful to listen to and soothing to watch. I think you're the cats meow ❤🥰
I am a HUGE fan of your videos. The difference I noticed between you and other crime case covering RUclipsrs is how you always make the victims seem more human…? I don’t know how to explain it. Some of your videos bring me to tears and I don’t usually cry seeing videos. I love what you do. All the best for your future uploads
I agree! I actually had to stop watching another true crime channel I had recently found, bc I kept getting so angry that she never acknowledges any mitigating factors, at all - bc of how often criminals were subjected to awful abuse as kids, I think it’s very dishonest, to only humanize victims, or more accurately, to only humanize the victims who don’t also perpetrate
The last video was great, nervous for this one as the title itself is spine-chilling. Thank you Danielle, for all of your effort and care of the victims! It angers me how the system failed these children their entire lives. I hope the two younger siblings are doing okay now.
My heart breaks for Jerry and Evelyn, finding oneself unable to move and communicate, in the dark, alone and after perhaps witnessing the murder of your own son... I have no words for this monstrosity, Barbara it's the devil herself 😢 💔
I get so engrossed by your narrative and level of details, I didn’t notice any audio issues! You’re amazing Danielle, thank you for you constant and quality content.
I almost didn’t finish this one for two reasons: I’m a caretaker of the most wonderful lady (she too is wheelchair bound) and I was a very late bloomer - at 13 I was still playing with dolls and I didn’t want anything to do with boys for years. This is so horrific in so many levels.
Well this one hit me like a truck. Growing up I was estranged from my fathers parents and *very* close with my mothers (to the point that my grampa helped raise us kids for a couple years) and he fought prostate cancer for over almost 15 years. He was an absolute pillar in my life and even when we knew he was suffering so much he'd still be the most gentle giving person. The way Jerry was treated is nightmare fuel. The tears started flowing when you explained how that monster left his mother abandoned in her wheelchair, because my granny had degenerative MS for over thirty years, and my entire young life was seeing her being taken care of as she lost the ability to take care of herself including eating and drinking. I'm so glad she survived but holy hell to leave someone like that without a second thought twists my soul in knots. Thank you for giving a voice to victims and calling out these vile subhumans for what they are
Sunday routine is out of whack for few weeks but we still get the queen this week!!! Yeah Tuesday evening, just opened a beer n grabbed some snacks! Bring it on queen Danielle x
One thing I will always admire is Danielle’s empathy, which I feel like is something that lacks in the true crime community. I’m happy she didn’t become “desensitised” after all these years. She makes these terrible stories a lot easier to listen to, and doesn’t downplay the sick nature of the perpetrators.
I'm in Australia so I have to wait until 3am to watch you, but it is SO WORTH IT EVERYTIME 🥹 Thank you for all you do, bringing the stories of these victims to light. You're a wonderful soul ❤
We love you and are here for your content no matter the issues you might have thought there was. Thank you for bringing this disgusting case into the light. As a mother I have no words. Love from Wyoming USA
Thank you, thank you, thank you for being one of the very few content creators who actually covers different cases, unknown cases, small and large cases, but cases that 20 other youtubers haven't covered! ❤❤❤❤
Utterly despicable. I work as a dietitian in a long term care facility and am constantly interacting with older adults, including ones with advanced dementia or Alzheimer’s that have limited mobility. The way Evelyn was neglected is unforgivable
Barbara sounds like my mother! Mistreats kid, narcissist, trying to be friends with mine n my sisters friends! Capable of doing harm! What an awful woman Barbara is! Never heard of this case so thank you Danielle for bringing it to us! Rip jerry x
How can you not see how underdeveloped Heather’s and Mary Anne’s minds are. When she wrote in her diary, that she was excited to get a new bike. She’s completely disconnected from the whole thing, and still just a child.
Please don’t apologize for anything! I never noticed. We are just here to enjoy your stories and watch you do gorgeous makeup! I’m so glad I’ve found you! I have binged all of your videos the past few months or so ❤
I have unfortunately, met people like this throughout my life, at 68, Barbara is younger than me. I've had neighbors like her. I did call CPS but it took years!!😐 I am so happy that were able to fix audio, missed you Sunday but now I got to watch you on a Tuesday!!💙
I have worked with many people with dementia at all stages and not once have I ever thought they didn’t understand me or their surroundings. Every single person at no matter which stage was able to give me eye contact and show signs of emotions, this story is awful. How can someone be so evil, I will never know. I feel bad for the children but you know right from wrong. Brought me to tears. I’m actually glad the younger children got shorter sentence and a chance to relive their lives and have a second chance, what they did was disgusting but when they are so young they deserve to have a second chance after their punishments.
Wow! This was a very sad one. Thank you so much for taking so much time to research all the nitty gritty of the cases you cover. I'm sure it takes a toll emotionally. I know just hearing about these cases can be a lot. Your dedication is stellar!! Thanks hon ❤
My heart just broke man wow . When the part where Heather delivered the last blows and you Danielle mentioned how heart broken Jerry must’ve been to look up and see her. That level of manipulation where they are so programmed to look past all their intuition and dissonance because they knew it wasn’t right or they wouldn’t have tried to flee or drop out at some point , I couldn’t imagine being that brainwashed in any type of situation in life to go against my literal morals and humanity. Even at 13 . This is probably one of the worst moms because she ruined those kids lives before they were even allowed to live them. Taking away child’s childhood is disgusting , even in real life situations the kids usually have somewhat of a kid mindset. These kids don’t even know the difference of being a child and being an adult. Even I get depressed sometimes when I think about how I rushed my childhood. I think CPS is responsible . Where I live if you even are rumored to even hit your child too hard CPS will do a weeks investigation . I couldn’t imagine CPS getting back to back calls but didn’t do any background. That is so damn dangerous . If everyone is saying the same thing then obviously there’s a problem
Danielle, please don’t stress so much, I love your content and can tell you put in SO MUCH hard work into them. I appreciate you! stuff happens don’t beat yourself up ❤
I know how you feel so much. Please don’t have anxiety with us. We’re not your management we’re your support team. Love your videos so much!! Because of you & the research and professionalism, not because of the sound quality. All love - Jo
Be careful shaming people for leaving/abandoning their babies in hospitals. If babies are not wanted, leaving them in a safe place like the hospital is exactly what we want them to do. That should be praised so that it happens more often. So much better than throwing them in the trash. Other than that, I love your storytelling.
Never feel bad! Your videos are great quality, especially for not having a team of people helping you 💜Barbara is infuriating. As someone who spent 10 years working as a Personal Support Worker in Canada (I'm thinking the equivalent to a Carer) and frequently had clients with Dementia etc... my heart was just breaking for Jerry's mom.
Love the way you tell a story......Thank you for the content, brilliant work and if I have heard of a case I still watch because you always have something I didn't know
I grew up in the 70s/80s with home phones. When my friends would call, my mom would talk to them for 20 minutes before telling me that I had a call. She inserted herself in my business inappropriately. I was always mortified although my friends always said how much they liked her. It was crazy because she was highly disappointed in me because I was very shy. I'm only 25 minutes into the video but have already taken a couple of breaks. I'll stick out because you are such a great storyteller, Danielle. Phenomenal.
Thankfully she never had sex and alcohol parties for us. She was highly concerned that I wasn't having sex until I was 24. But she didn't set me up for it to happen.
Didn’t even notice any issues last time haha! It was a great video last time, thank you so much for uploading as much as you do! Love your videos sm. (P.s. Bothell is pronounced “baw-thull” source im a local 😅)
Living for the makeup palette! As a child living with an alcoholic mother, I know very will the system fails because you can make any situation "look normal" when they show up. I live in Washington and the systems in place for abusive home lives is not enough. On a different note my son loves watching your videos with me regardless of the makeup ha ha. Do thank you for creating something we have in common. Love what you do and who you are Danielle. Get sassy girl! This stuff is so leaving common sense I can't help but make a face when you do.
I love Danielle. She delivers these heartbreaking cases with so much passion. I would love for her to cover my granddad's case. I feel as if no one ever cared about it.
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The rant about using that kind of language to describe what happened to a 13 year old victim, you are 100% spot on. Children should never be viewed or described as sexual for any reason.
THANK YOU. Yes!
yes, disgusting description. reminds me of a reddit storytime video, the father said his daughter developed quickly, but decided to go INTO DETAIL about his DAUGHTER having BIG HIPS AND BREASTS. only a few people in the comments were defending him, luckily
It is completely awful that people think it’s ok to talk about kids that way.
I'm at that part just now. I went into the comments because I didn't know what to do with my shock, confusion and anger. What the actual fuck? How can no one have seen that printed, read it out loud, and then release it in a fucking documentary without demanding it edited out!?
I don't even believe that Barbara wanted to keep the kids away from their dad for safety reasons. I think she just wanted to punish the father for the divorce. She 100% strikes me as being that petty and uncaring.
And callous as hell
I agree with you. I think she just used him being abusive as an excuse but I think even if he was the kindest dad in the world she would have still said he abused the kids and shouldn't have them
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That's exactly what I thought. She definitely did it out of spite.
As a hospice nurse this makes me so very sad.😢
My heart breaks for Evelyn, Jerry's mother. How terrifying it must have been, whether she was aware of what truly going on or not. And to be abandonded like this. In an empty house, pitch black at night, in complete silence, dehydrated and starving, unable to do anything...for 5 days. I can't even imagine the horror. Oh my god, I can't. I hope those remaining 2 years of her life were peaceful. What a terrible case.
I had to stop the video and have a cry for her. Being left alone, sitting in her own waste and starving. So awful. I really hope she didn’t understand what happened to her son. That sounds like the worst hell imaginable, to watch your son be murdered and not be able to stop it.
I think you mean *Jerry
I think Barbra should of been charged for leaving poor Evelyn. My heart breaks for her, Jerry and their family.
The fact that a murder is what it took for the police and child services to finally remove these children from the "care" of that monster says a lot..!!! 😡
Yep. If your house is a bit cluttered oooooh, they'll remove the kids. Cpsia absolutely ridiculous. They're truly a JOKE.
They always ignore serious cases or HUGE red flags like this.... yet they'll break up families over after a Dr visit: hospital report MISUNDERSTANDING!
@@MorqanaVery true! Even happen to me! (Luckily I’m back to my mother!)
Barbara is all at fault, they were kids. Jeff was much older and knew better.
@@Iowaborn14A 13yr old knows right from wrong so therefore is just as culpable as her mother. If we are going to make excuses for the childhood abuse then we would have to excuse Barbara's evil deeds too as she was abused as a child.
My only hope is that Jerry’s mom was too far gone to fully grasp what happened in front of her. But I fear that she did
Same. I was really worried for her. I really hope she was okay and didn’t fully understand.
That detail made the situation so much worse. I hope more than anything that she was mentally deteriorated enough to not understand because I don't want to think about that kind of horror.
even if she was fully far gone to grasp the situation it is still how inhumane they left her there for 5 days covered in her sons blood! Any person would be left traumatized no matter what mental state they are in.
My god i don’t want to think about that poor woman coherent enough to know what was going on but was trapped in her body and couldn’t say or do anything about it. Then left for 5 days to suffer and think about it. That’s a level of trauma that my brain can’t handle 💔
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I rarely cry during true crime cases but the part of Evelyn being all alone and eating newspapers...that brought tears to my eyes.
That is SO sad. Makes me tear up knowing that Evelyn had to do that before she passed away. 😢
Yes, that got me too, it was horrific and unforgivable. Her poor soul 💔
Regarding Heather's diary entry... It's not uncommon for abused children to lie to themselves about their situation and pretend they're okay with things that they really aren't okay with. It's a kind of self protection. I wouldn't be surprised if her "excitement" over a new bike was just a way to cope with something she felt she had no control over.
I definitely think the younger teens were served too harsh of sentences, Marriam in particular because she tried to back out, but was essentially forced to go back. I hope they are all able to live their lives and stay out of trouble (well except for Barbara, she can go to hell).
I literally came down to the comments to talk about this. You're absolutely correct. Children in situations like this, with abusive, manipulative parents, often feel helpless, and sadly, the authorities in their lives are often a large part of why.
Pretend for a moment that you're Heather. Your mother, your abuser, who has complete control over your life, has decided this is going to happen, and she's promised you a reward for it. You know it's wrong, sure, but here are the options you see:
1. Call it wrong, try to push back, maybe go to the authorities, and watch the authorities do what they've always done, which is nothing at all, and then you face even more abuse before the crime happens anyway.
2. Participate, avoid further abuse, and maybe even make your abuser happy for long enough that you can be left alone for a bit.
Animals are wired to survive, and we are animals. Faced with those choices, I have no doubt whatsoever that Heather felt like there was no choice, and lying to herself and convincing herself she wanted this and was invested in it was a tactic to try to save her own sanity. It's horrible and horrific, but Heather is very much a victim in this situation.
Yes, she literally lied to herself and found a "good" thing to get excited about to cope with this horrible situation.
The children got too much time. They were vulnerable. Think about how Heather was coerced into sex slavery. The fact that these kids committed this murder for paltry gifts shows how little they understood. 13-14 year old children are very easily persuaded by adults and going along with the group.
Yes that's what I'm thinking. In a situation like that, children will feel like they have absolutely no control but to submit to their parents and do as they're told. Therefore they try to see the brighter side to comfort themselves.
Personally, I think Miriam delivered the last blows out of compassion. She wanted out of this whole situation. She tried to leave. Coming back to the kitchen to see Jerry stabbed, beaten, and with a slit throat but still alive? That must have been terrifying. I think it was obvious Jerry could not be helped at that point (especially considering he wasn't healthy/strong because of the cancer) so maybe Miriam just wanted it to end. Just wanted Jerry to stop suffering and make this whole nightmare be done.
This was my thought as well.
Yes! And she was scared of Barbra
that's how I feel about her delivering the final blow as well. I don't think anyone besides Barbra and the 17yo should have been tried as adults. the others should have gotten serious counseling etc and then kept a very close eye on
Part of me thinks it was out of fear. Not just mercy. Perhaps it was Barbara yelling at her in the moment. It’s one of those things you’d have to visualize in your head. Step by step
@@neuswoesje590yeah, I hate to say it. But it seems kind of a double standard that both 13 year old girls were tried as adults but the 13 year old boy was tried as a child...
people like barbara shouldn't reproduce. this was such a heartbreaking case. poor jerry.
I agree
I am glad that you and I agree that not all women are natural mothers. Personally I think that there are already far too many selfish people on our planet already.
It doesn't really sound like Barbara's mother should have been a mother either!
@@rebekahjimenez2808yeah thats the problem with pretty much all messed up families in this world, the "bad genes" seem to reproduce and jump/be passed on from generation to generation. It's a devilish never ending and self repeating cycle of de ja vue's. Apparently the bloodline of cain has passed on to later generations more so than abel's bloodline. And unfortunately as it seems there are way more bad than good genes inherited out there. You pretty much spoke out what I'm thinking all the time.
As a Psychologist.... if you have a reputation as being "the most dysfunctional family" considering the things we hear every day, that is really saying something. This story is heartbreaking
Don't ever worry about technical issues, it's not your fault. Also can I suggest an Italian case? Yara Gambirasio's story is heartbreaking and it really had a big impact on many people.
I feel horrible for what Jerry had to go through but man am I glad he was able to show those children kindness. It was probably the first time they saw a parental figure be kind to them. This case is heartbreaking.
Heather's statement about Jeff not needing to use protection because she hadn't even started her cycle yet is one of the most gut wrenching things I've heard in a long time. What a sick sick case
And to kill Jerry in front of his own helpless elderly mother is just horrific 😭😭
I can't imagine a more horrible case poor Evelyn. What a nightmare she endured. No amount of money is worth this.
Everything about this case is gut wrenching.
This case makes my stomach hurt literally
They are all evil. I don't care what their situation was. Horrible people.
hearing about how CPS left it alone hurt my heart. In 3rd grade I tried to tell a classroom cop once about how i was being abused and he didnt even call CPS because i had no marks:/ Investigation on childhood abuse needs to be WAY more thorough
im not saying 40k is not a lot of money, for me it is. but im actually shocked she orchestrated all of this for “only” 40k. with the way she spends she probably will have blown through that
Exactly. Yes it’s nothing to sneeze at but how far could one get on 40 grand. Especially someone so irresponsible. She’s just vile. I think it was a power thing personally
I thought of that as well. It’s not like this was going on in the 50’s. This went on in 2001!
When my dad died in a car accident I got $70k from his life insurance. ( still would trade it for him). This was in ‘96 and, thanks to my narcissistic first husband, the money was gone in 3 months. He went crazy!
And that was nearly 30 years ago! So $40k in 2001 … that’s ridiculous.
I always think this ! Like 40k would do loads for me …. But to murder for it ? WTAF 😢
Yes this was a good reminder to not tell anyone when you get a bit of money, even when it's not very much, people have been killed for less. It's ridiculous.
THIS. 40k is a life changing amount for many people, but it's not going to get you too far. It's definitely not nearly enough to consider it "reasonable" motive. Of course no amount is justified, but girl come on, that's only 40k
I feel so bad for Heather and her friend. I know they should have known better, but Heather suffered so much abuse that I really don’t know what to think. Her trauma made her vulnerable and easy to manipulate on her mother’s side. That’s why I never agree when people say, no matter who or what she is, she is still your mother and you need to respect her.
This is a prime example why that statement shouldn’t be true.
Shall we make excuses for Barbara too seen as though she was also abused as a child ? There are NO excuses they are all evil and deserve to be punished. How about some compassion for Jerry and his mother.
I feel worse for Heather’s friend. She didn’t know Jerry that well, so she might’ve thought everything was true. However, Heather knew what Barbara was saying about Jerry was not true. I think Miriam did the final blow probably to put him out of his misery. Remember the first time she had tried to hit him, it didn’t even affect him. But now she could hit him so hard it crushes up his skull? Most likely she was trying to end it quickly after his throat was slit. Or she was being used as the scapegoat. We don’t know if Barbara was hoping that the police would fixate only on Miriam since she is black. If someone is willing to do this to a nice man, I wouldn’t doubt that she may be bigoted.
@@sugarsundae3400 you’re the same damn person that tried making excuses for that nurse that killed all those babies saying there wasn’t enough evidence when any idiot could see there was 😂 😂
There’s a difference between being evil and being abused and manipulated your entire life. Barbara is a grown adult who’s experienced life outside of abuse and had the option of choosing to create a better life for her children, but instead she chose to abuse, manipulate, and use her children to further her own personal agenda. Barbara had her chance to become a better person, but she ruined Heather and Mariam’s chance to better themselves and their future. Also, just because people feel there are more than just 2 victims doesn’t make Jerry or his mother any less important, what happened to them was beyond tragic and i’m sure everyone watching this video feels the same. Especially his mother, the state she was left in is absolutely heartbreaking.
This is so complicated. At 13/14, you still rely heavily on your parent, and believe what they say. These kids were absolutely manipulated into committing this crime. The power dynamic between (abusive) mother and her daughter alone brings into question the daughter's ability to make a clear judgment.
So many lives needlessly ruined.
Heather writing how she was excited to kill Jerry isn't a sign of her actually wanting to kill him, it's a sign of her immaturity and how manipulated she is .. that poor girl ..
Kids don't understand death, teens feel immortal almost so killing isn't well understood to them :(
These poor kids should have been protected..
Yeah, to me, the two girls saying how excited they were to kill him so that they can get a bike, and some rollerblades shows just how childlike they were, not cold-blooded killers.
I can't agree with that. Sure they were immature, but I don't believe that at 13 yo they didn't know what death is and that murdering people is wrong. Also, how emotionally numb one must be to keep beating up somebody completely vulnerable, defenceless, who's probably screaming in pain and begging for mercy, and as for Heather, who was also sort of a father figure to her? Not to mention poor Evelyn who they knew couldn't take care of herself and still they left her to die of hunger and thirst... No, I think they knew what they were doing and they all deserved to stay in prison.
@@lisaelisa4772 a lot of 14 year olds understand death to a degree. But without actually knowing someone that has died it can be hard to understand what death truly is.
Now if you told a 13 year old “oh it’s okay to kill someone since you’ll get a reward afterwards” a kids brain would mostly likely be confused. They’d question is it actually okay to kill someone. Since the mother an “adult” began to “normalize” killing someone almost everyday. A young teenager will trust the adult. Because we are taught to trust adults. But when an adult has bad intentions, they can teach them terrible things.
Now since being 13, you think you’re “independent” and you’re making your own choices. You are influenced by the people around you.
What doesn’t help is that they wanted to impress the mother, and also be rewarded for doing this huge task.
I’m not saying that the 13 year olds should be dismissed. But have to learn the hard way that killing is very wrong. And sadly you have to face these consequences.
Yes ,I agree especially when u say it like that " screaming out in pain and begging for help" literally begging period would ( or should) make any living thing with a heart not be able to go through with it ,even with a gun to their head. Some would rather take a bullet than to beat someone else TO DEATH! I couldn't imagine. I know there are situations in life but I'm serious when someone would start begging,screaming that should be where it stops .😢 Idk ,just so terribly sad.@@lisaelisa4772
They all knew what they were doing 🤡 if it was one of your loved ones, you wouldn’t be saying poor anything
That poor woman. As a caregiver for my grandmother who has later stage dementia i think this is the part that pisses me off the most.
Me too. My mother passed away from complications with dementia almost 3 years ago. My future mother-in-law was just diagnosed with Alzheimer’s and is now in a nursing home. I cannot imagine how horrible this must have been for Evelyn 😢
My one sister and I took care of our mom before and during her bad health then dementia. NOT ONE of our relatives even our older sister ever helped us. We had one male friend that would come by and watch our mom for us for about 2 hours or so, so we could get extra sleep. It’s very hard taking care of a person with dementia. It’s even worst then if that person has Alzheimer’s. My father had that 12 years earlier and we including my mom at the time took care of him. we didn’t find out till years later that we could have gotten a PCG to help us. So yes it pisses me off when people abuse the elderly especially when their handicapped.
@@zellagrace445. I feel for you went thru that with my mom. And now my sister is showing some signs. And unfortunately, I can’t deal with her, she is getting violent yelling and hitting things now. I’m handicap now myself so I can’t deal with what I went thru with my mom and her dementia.
I know! My grandmother also has later stage dementia. She doesn't even really remember who we are anymore. She sometimes will say "Oh mama and daddy are going to be so worried about me for being out so long. I need to call them!" And she will look at my mom, her own daughter and ask if she can go visit her daughter or ask where her little girl is. It's so sad....she had to be put into a memory care home and it's really nice there as far as we can tell but one of my biggest fears is that they are mistreating her. I wanted so badly to take care of her but I'm unable to do so and it breaks my heart that she even has to be anywhere but with her family. If ever there was someone who neglected her in anyway like this woman did to Evelyn omgoodness it would take everything in me not to destroy them. My grandmother is one of the most sweetest people in the entire world. My husband calls her an angel. Because that is literally what she is. She doesn't have one cruel bone in her entire body. :/
The parts about Evelyn seriously broke my heart 😢
I can't believe someone finally covered this case. I played softball with Heather, and she had a great future ahead of her. She had such talent for pitching and honestly the entire game itself. It's so sad this happened, and honestly, Barbara was an interesting lady and was one of those moms who pushed and pushed until she got what she wanted out of any situation and made Heather feel so bad most of the time. I guess you could call her a "stage mom" but for softball.
My heart shattered for Jerry and Evelyn. This was such a senseless murder.
I feel so sad that Jerry died under the hands of Barbara's children, who were manipulated by their own mother and brainwashing them into believing that Jerry was an abuser. Also, I feel sad that his mom, Evelyn, was either aware or not aware on what happened to her son. Regardless, Barbara is a cruel and heartless person.
As soon as you mentioned that she would try to act like the teenagers I immediately had groomer alarm bells going off in my head. From what I have heard it is very common for adults who want to groom and manipulate children to try to act like them to build up a relationship for their gain.
I keep being drawn back to a phrase that comes up in almost all cases with child attackers, "they are x age, they should know murder is wrong" and yeah, in a perfect world they should know, but it is a place of privilege to assume someone grew up given the same moral lessons as yourself. As someone who grew up in an abusive situation, outside forces trying to impose morals and values on you don't always triumph over the things you are witnessing in your life and from your family. Luckily it did for me, but it doesn't for everyone and that's how we end up with child perpetrators. I agree that these children should be punished for their crimes, but the system also needs to give these kids a chance to reform rather than lock them away in a cell for the rest of their lives. Yeah reform doesn't always work, but not allowing the opportunity for it to work makes us no better than the parents that corrupted and abused them in the first place.
Very well said. I totally agree. With therapy, education, just a real chance to make their own decisions (with supervision and probation), some of them may have become real assets to society. And this: " it is [from] a place of privilege to assume someone grew up given the same moral lessons as yourself." pretty well sums it all up.
Exactly! And I hate how she's almost being hypocritical. Like, if a grown man did something to a 17-year-old, 'that's basically a child,' but when a 17-year-old does something wrong, it will be 'he's basically a man' Let's not forget that kid's brain is not yet fully developed to have the same logic as grown-ups. And if Barbara can manipulate older people, imagine what a bunch of teenagers can do to stand up against her.
i agree
My heart dropped when I heard they left Evelyn behind after murdering Jerry. It’s insane that she was still alive. I can’t imagine what she was thinking when jerry was being killed.
I don’t know why, but the thing that struck me as horrendous the most, aside from the actual murder of course, was that his mother was watching him get murdered. Yes I know she had alzheimer’s disease, but that doesn’t mean you don’t know anything at all. And some days you are lucid and others not. She might have known exactly what she was witnessing which is devastating.
I have worked with people with Alzheimers previously and they can be very fearful and anxious, this must have been absolutely awful for her 😢
I worked in a care home and there were these residents, roommates. One was in the very late stages of dementia but when his roommate passed he became withdrawn and more jumpy, he did see the body before they could take him away.
Yea even if she recognized it was her son or not. She still witness a whole murder. She probably thought she was up next & knew she couldnt fight back, so she hust excepted her fate.
The sentences about Heather not using protection because she hasn’t yet started her period - and the media stating that she “used her youthful sexual behaviour” to seduce Jeff is absolutely deplorable! The fact that this Jeff guy was 17 and his friends were also 14 & 13 goes to show he could not get friends or a gf his own age. This case is all kinds of messed and all kinds of wrong for so many different reasons. I feel so bad for Jerry & his poor mum. When Barbara kept deliberately making her children homeless. She should’ve been arrested or institutionalised and her children should’ve been taken off her.
It baffles me how common it is for a lot of people not to take accountability for their actions. It’s either gaslighting, shifting blame, etc. Anyway, I hope Jerry’s family found healing. He could have spent more time with his mum 😔
No worries about the audio issues, the video was still great!
I didn't even notice!
I didn't notice anything either :)
I didn’t notice as well.
I had to go back and relisten to the episode to see if anything was wrong! Lol
Same
Thank you for stressing the 13 vs 17 gap. There are so many people who don't see a problem with it including my friends. So many of them have bfs who were 20 in relationship with 16yo. I remember being bullied in high school by a buch of people bc I didn't want to date a 19yo when I was 16.😔
Jesus, you shouldn't have been bullied for boundaries! Sorry for having to go through that
I remember as a freshman in high school having crushes on Seniors in the school. I was probably 15 or so at the time though. (I was held back so I was like a year or so older than most my class mates) but I started my period in 6th grade around 12/13 years old. Even now as an adult I’m still into older men. (Husband is 11 years older than me but got together when I was 25/26) but yah now looking back it’s weird for a 17 year old to be into a freshman. Two totally different mindsets going into freshman year and senior year. Though boys are usually less mature than females by a few years.
That kind of age gap is no big deal.
First of all 13 hasn't even finished puberty so why a 17yr old would be interested in them i don't know. at 17 most people have finished puberty so they would be much more mature and able then a 13yr old! two different life stages entirely i know 17 is young but this is still predatory.
@@kellymott3796 Still its not an excuse for a grown 17yr old to be into a freshman who's probably like 15
disgusting how a child can be “treated as an adult” like they were 13 year old children who endured horrific abuse and were put into a horrible situation. they should NOT have received that much time in prison.
If anything they needed heavy HEAVY therapy!!!
They knew right from wrong so are just as capable as their mother if we are going to make excuses for the childhood abuse then we must excuse Barbara's evil deeds too as she was also abused as a child. There are no excuses how about some compassion for the real victims.
Let me tell you right now. Kids are not as innocent as you think they are. Trust me, I ride the school bus everyday after school and the things that they say would probably shock you. Some even younger saying some stuff
I remember being 13 clearly and they still know how wrong murder is.. no excuses
Heather and Miriam shouldn’t have been charged as adults IMO. I mean 13 is just too young to make an adult decision but add verbal and physical abuse, psychological manipulation and statutory rape and those girls clearly shouldn’t have been held responsible to the same degree Barbara or even Jeff had been.
I agree. And it makes me crazy that the law differentiates between being charged as a minor and as an adult..except when they decide otherwise. What is the point of having that distinction if it can be changed case-to-case? It's ridiculous, imo. And I absolutely think childhood abuse and parental/guardian influence should be taken into consideration.
It'd also crazy to me that the other 13 year old boy got charged as a minor, but the 13 year old girls got charged as adults. Kinda weird. Tho I suppose it's from what they actually did? But it's still kinda weird imo
Jerry seemed so amazing I can't believe that Barbara did that to him using her own children and taking away her childrens normal life as teenagers 😢
*Jerry! Not Jeff
Jeff was the 17yr old having sex with the 13yr old daughter,JERRY was the amazing,innocent man they killed.
Jeff is the salt of the earth who was raping a 13 year old and murdered someone with a terminal illness after a week of meeting him.
Upstanding child he makes his parents proud 😆🥁😆
I meant to say Jerry I guess I just got confused of all the names 😂
I had to stop the video halfway through to write comment.....THANK YOU for speaking up for children being sexualized. There are so many creators that use these cases to gain viewers, then make jokes and laugh during the videos about the situations they are covering. I absolutely love your willingness to use your platform for good and not for views....and I absolutely adore you for this. Thank you.
Out of all the true crime youtubers i listen to you are BY FAR the very very best. You seem so down to earth, always talk with such care love and compassion for the victims as well as bringing new cases i have never heard of instead of recycling old cases everyone covers. The quality of your presentations is absolutely top notch thank you, Danielle!
when she says " I just want the world to be better.... and then im reminded that its not" I felt that so deep in my soul.
42:00 You want to know why Heather was so excited about that bike? It's twisted, but it fits. This barely teenage girl has known nothing but abuse from her mother & father. No real love. She barely knows this the new guy, despite how he's treated her. But now, all of a sudden, by following her mom's commands, she's getting positive affirmations & effectively affection from her mother. What Heather would probably consider to be love at that point. Something she was CRAVING to have from her mom, deep down. Not to mention a cessation of the abuse from her as well. So, suddenly, she's the good girl, doing what mommy wants. Getting love from mommy & rewarded for it. Of COURSE she's going to do what her mom wants. She's been conditioned to & for it, unfortunately.
Fully agree with you! Of course it's absolutely awful what they did to Jerry, but I definitely think that Heather was just desperate for her mum's approval and finally the abuse to pause/to get a bike. It's incredibly sad.
Well, actually and unfortunately, many children learn to be manipulative, heartless, and narcissistic, when they are raised by people like Barbara. I’ve watched it in some children. It’s a dog-eat-dog world for them and they are using all their skills to not only survive but get ahead. It’s worked for their mom all these years. They think it’s normal.
100% agree
I agree, she has been groomed for years, learnt to accept abuse is "normal" or is even a sign of affection
Spot on!!!
This is one of the most horrific cases I’ve heard covered on this channel. I care for the elderly for work, so this one hit me hard. Jerry was such a kind man, my heart breaks for him and Evelyn. Rest in peace Jerry
I just hate when people are able to mask the abuse just by being able to clean. My close friend is from similar family and the hopelessness he described is just terrible - like even if the social services are finally involved, they just say the house is clean, the fridge is full, therefore the child has to be ok. And after this there is no other way to find help.
That's because cps and the law are worthless
I hate gentleness now because my Mom was only gentle in front of others. It isolated me from help. One day, a teacher told me that she would have called CPS for neglect if my sisters didn't have me but things were better with me involved.
i mean, a 13-yo not having menstrual cycle is normal, but in this case it could also be an indicator that she might be malnourished. Poor child.
edit: Finished the video. Thank you for covering it and I really like the way you present all of the cases! At the beginning of the video I thought it was a case of a mother manipulating her adult gang member children to commit something but I was absolutely wrong. NEVER had I imagined it to unfold this way. just sick beyond imagination.
You uploading this the exact second I start to do a bunch of chores is an absolute miracle
Danielle knows. She knows when people need her.
I clean to Danielle videos!
OMG, the makeup look is *a chef's kiss*. Trying it out asap! Great storytelling as always, Danielle!
Infuriates me that her death sentence was commuted to life in prison.
What made me so shocked throughout the case (still listening) is how failed those kids were. No one stepped up for those kids, no one loved them like kids are supposed to be loved. They were isolated. It wasn't there fault. They were brought up in an environment where their mother was controlling, she did everything, called every shot. I know people who either hurt themselves, or hurt others because of such situations, and they can't see a way out. I don't blame the kids, though they did it. What were they to do? Barbara was so evil (she had all those horrible thoughts, who would stop her from killing her kids??) that she could and would kill her kids if anything pushed her in that direction. She ruined the victim's life, the victim's family's life, her kids' life, her own life (DESERVED), etc.
Thank you for saying something about the 13 vs 17 age gap. It's so creepy, and can be very, very dangerous.
When I was 13 I was severely traumatized. I lived in an abusive home where love was only available after getting physically or verbally abused, I was raising my siblings, my mom had just committed suicide and my sister had died of a chromosomal disorder. A friend I grew up with popped into my life, he was 17. He supplied me with marijuana and alcohol. He paid people to "keep an eye on me". He was emotionally abusive. He encouraged my eating disorder. He "proposed" to me. He forced me into sexual activities I wasn't really ready for. And he told me he wanted to get me pregnant right then. I stayed through everything because I thought he loved me, and all I wanted was to be loved by someone- anyone.
Looking back as an adult, I find it disgusting. That wasn't love. It wasn't even really a relationship. At 17, you're practically an adult. At 13, you're still a child. Nothing about that is okay.
Wow I don’t know how you got through this. I’m so sorry your mother took her own life and left all that on you, I hope your able to have your son life now and not have to look after your siblings any more ✌️
I think the fact that heather was exicted for a new bike shows how young she is. I dint think she grasped the gravity of the situation. She may have been 13 chronologically but younger mentally
a 13 year old and a 17 year is is very much a crime and I'm so happy that you highlighted it the way you did.
There is the possibility that heather was made / manipulated / ordered to write those things in her diary (based on the abuse and scapegoating previously by her mother and how quick her mother was to blame her)
Poor Jerry, he seemed like such a sweet natured guy. Its so unfair. I feel so bad for his mom too.
One of the downsides of child protective services is the action of removing a child from a home is the LAST resort.They advise all kinds of counseling before that. The only way they would be removed immediately is if they were in immediate life threatening risk(which personally i feel MOST abuse is life threatening).
Yeah like I feel like counseling and extra help will work if the parents are just down on their luck but if there’s abuse happening, the abuser seeing a therapist won’t make them stop.
I was abused badly as a child and no one called CPS and because of it I suffer from PTSD as well as childhood trauma and anxiety attacks. I wished someone would’ve called I ended up running away and live in an orphanage for a few years and to be honest the orphanage saved my life. These children didn’t stand a chance is having Barbara for mother
or the first resort in cases that don't need it. I'm shocked at just how many times CPS gets it wrong.......
@@kayciel3268Totally agree!! They take children away from parents that want and love thoer children and leave them with parents that abuse and neglect them. Of course not in all cases but,I've seen it myself. I know a women who lost custody of her children for an entire year for a failed drug test even though she was going to methadone treatment. Thankfully she got completely clean and has her kids back and they are all doing good but, it happens more often then not.
*thier*
As a child, (and I still am a minor, 16) I had gone through so many visits with child protective services because of my unstable, neglectful, and abusive living situation. I would lie *THROUGH TEARS* and say that everything was okay when it obviously wasn't. (Bruises all over me, unhygienic, and dirty clothes. Things like that.) The police were called on my grandparents (guardians at the time) multiple times by our friends, neighbors, family, and even myself, yet child protective services continued to ignore our situation, and failed to remove my sibling and I from the home. Finally, when I was 14, they decided to do something about it when I had opened up about some sexual abuse that had been going on. It really saddens me to know just how corrupt the "protective" systems are these days. If those kids had been removed from the home just a little bit earlier, I feel that they would have turned out better than they did, and the violent murder most likely would have never happened the way it did, if at all. It's so aggravating.
This case reminds me so much of Shelly Knotek- both evil murderous mothers from Washington who took advantage of vulnerable people and used their children as punching bags
Yeah my mind also immediately went there.
Shelly Knotek and Teresa Knorr put together.
Absolutely agree😮
Oh yeah, that one. I was listening to that book and didn't realize it was a real story. At some point I thought "who in the world creates this world, and why". So I read the description and learned it was real. I still can't believe it. One of the worst ones I've heard of.
Disgusting! 😡
Listening to you talk about the victims or even just people involved, is like you knew them. Cared for them. You truly are a beautiful soul
It's also very telling that Heather never told her friend that Jerry wasn't abusing her. I understand that Barbara was very manipulative but Jerry had shown her so much kindness, opening up his home and treating her like a daughter, giving them all a good Christmas. It's heartbreaking that she would do this for such a small reward.
She’s really young, and her mom represents her continued ability to survive - she didn’t do it for the reward. For all we know, her mom may even have read her journal - she may not have felt free to express her true feelings therein. Humans fear rejection by our parents, more than we fear almost anything else, and also, our number one need is acceptance, first by our parents, and then, also by others
for a child who’s been abused their whole life by their parents, a reprieve from that abuse (however short) is not a “small reward”. you have to think about how she was raised and treated. her mother had her under her complete control. and she was only 13.
@@sarahissersohn5495!!! she also could’ve been trying to justify the murder to herself. trying to find a silver lining in the horrible act she was to commit due to her mother
she was 13 years old and she had known Jerry for not even a full year that is literally nothing. He was a very nice man and he did not deserve to die, but you guys have got to stop over exaggerating the role he played in her life, he would not have been a father figure though he was very kind to her, but he was absolutely nothing compared to her mom.
Danielle... i know I've commented this before.. but you, ma'am, have a gift. Your story telling is so enchanting and your details supercede other crime channels by a landslide. You're delightful to listen to and soothing to watch. I think you're the cats meow ❤🥰
I am a HUGE fan of your videos. The difference I noticed between you and other crime case covering RUclipsrs is how you always make the victims seem more human…? I don’t know how to explain it. Some of your videos bring me to tears and I don’t usually cry seeing videos.
I love what you do.
All the best for your future uploads
I agree! I actually had to stop watching another true crime channel I had recently found, bc I kept getting so angry that she never acknowledges any mitigating factors, at all - bc of how often criminals were subjected to awful abuse as kids, I think it’s very dishonest, to only humanize victims, or more accurately, to only humanize the victims who don’t also perpetrate
Thank you so much for taking a stand regarding Heather's age, and how she should not be sexualized. At thirteen she WOULD BE a child 😢
The last video was great, nervous for this one as the title itself is spine-chilling. Thank you Danielle, for all of your effort and care of the victims!
It angers me how the system failed these children their entire lives. I hope the two younger siblings are doing okay now.
I hope Heather is too, she may have participated but she was manipulated, abused, brainwashed etc. That must be such a heavy burden to carry with you.
My heart breaks for Jerry and Evelyn, finding oneself unable to move and communicate, in the dark, alone and after perhaps witnessing the murder of your own son... I have no words for this monstrosity, Barbara it's the devil herself 😢 💔
I get so engrossed by your narrative and level of details, I didn’t notice any audio issues! You’re amazing Danielle, thank you for you constant and quality content.
Jerry just sounds like he was such a light in this dark, dark world.
Jasus, this case is so sad, made me want to cry. That Barbara isn't even human, she's the spawn of satan. How can people be so cruel??
Wow. Just finished this episode. This one was brutal. This may have to go into my top 5 “hardest to handle” cases. Barbara is one SICK person.
I almost didn’t finish this one for two reasons: I’m a caretaker of the most wonderful lady (she too is wheelchair bound) and I was a very late bloomer - at 13 I was still playing with dolls and I didn’t want anything to do with boys for years. This is so horrific in so many levels.
Well this one hit me like a truck. Growing up I was estranged from my fathers parents and *very* close with my mothers (to the point that my grampa helped raise us kids for a couple years) and he fought prostate cancer for over almost 15 years. He was an absolute pillar in my life and even when we knew he was suffering so much he'd still be the most gentle giving person. The way Jerry was treated is nightmare fuel.
The tears started flowing when you explained how that monster left his mother abandoned in her wheelchair, because my granny had degenerative MS for over thirty years, and my entire young life was seeing her being taken care of as she lost the ability to take care of herself including eating and drinking. I'm so glad she survived but holy hell to leave someone like that without a second thought twists my soul in knots. Thank you for giving a voice to victims and calling out these vile subhumans for what they are
Sunday routine is out of whack for few weeks but we still get the queen this week!!! Yeah Tuesday evening, just opened a beer n grabbed some snacks! Bring it on queen Danielle x
Just cracked a can of Pinot myself. Cheers!
One thing I will always admire is Danielle’s empathy, which I feel like is something that lacks in the true crime community. I’m happy she didn’t become “desensitised” after all these years. She makes these terrible stories a lot easier to listen to, and doesn’t downplay the sick nature of the perpetrators.
She's saying everything we're thinking.
I'm in Australia so I have to wait until 3am to watch you, but it is SO WORTH IT EVERYTIME 🥹
Thank you for all you do, bringing the stories of these victims to light. You're a wonderful soul ❤
Jerry seemed so sweet. RIP Jerry. I’m so sorry to him and his family. They didn’t deserve this.
We love you and are here for your content no matter the issues you might have thought there was. Thank you for bringing this disgusting case into the light. As a mother I have no words. Love from Wyoming USA
Thank you, thank you, thank you for being one of the very few content creators who actually covers different cases, unknown cases, small and large cases, but cases that 20 other youtubers haven't covered! ❤❤❤❤
girl ur okay!! I honestly didn't even notice the audio issues in the last video. love you as always!!
Hearher is one of the most kindest people i have ever met ❤️ she was always a person i looked forward to seeing at the gym ❤
I'm sorry but I'm dying laughing because you sounded EXACTLY like 'Veruca Salt' when you said "Oh daddy can I have a horse".🤣
Utterly despicable. I work as a dietitian in a long term care facility and am constantly interacting with older adults, including ones with advanced dementia or Alzheimer’s that have limited mobility. The way Evelyn was neglected is unforgivable
Barbara sounds like my mother! Mistreats kid, narcissist, trying to be friends with mine n my sisters friends! Capable of doing harm! What an awful woman Barbara is! Never heard of this case so thank you Danielle for bringing it to us! Rip jerry x
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It all adds up. These are behaviors they will repeat their whole lives.
How can you not see how underdeveloped Heather’s and Mary Anne’s minds are. When she wrote in her diary, that she was excited to get a new bike. She’s completely disconnected from the whole thing, and still just a child.
Please don’t apologize for anything! I never noticed. We are just here to enjoy your stories and watch you do gorgeous makeup! I’m so glad I’ve found you! I have binged all of your videos the past few months or so ❤
I have unfortunately, met people like this throughout my life, at 68, Barbara is younger than me. I've had neighbors like her. I did call CPS but it took years!!😐 I am so happy that were able to fix audio, missed you Sunday but now I got to watch you on a Tuesday!!💙
I have worked with many people with dementia at all stages and not once have I ever thought they didn’t understand me or their surroundings. Every single person at no matter which stage was able to give me eye contact and show signs of emotions, this story is awful. How can someone be so evil, I will never know. I feel bad for the children but you know right from wrong. Brought me to tears. I’m actually glad the younger children got shorter sentence and a chance to relive their lives and have a second chance, what they did was disgusting but when they are so young they deserve to have a second chance after their punishments.
It could be that Mariam just wanted it all to end, and figured it wouldn’t end till jerry was dead. So she finally gets involved to end all the fear.
I think this was an episode on Deadly Women. You’re really good at covering cases with way more detail
Wow! This was a very sad one. Thank you so much for taking so much time to research all the nitty gritty of the cases you cover. I'm sure it takes a toll emotionally. I know just hearing about these cases can be a lot. Your dedication is stellar!! Thanks hon ❤
My heart just broke man wow . When the part where Heather delivered the last blows and you Danielle mentioned how heart broken Jerry must’ve been to look up and see her. That level of manipulation where they are so programmed to look past all their intuition and dissonance because they knew it wasn’t right or they wouldn’t have tried to flee or drop out at some point , I couldn’t imagine being that brainwashed in any type of situation in life to go against my literal morals and humanity. Even at 13 . This is probably one of the worst moms because she ruined those kids lives before they were even allowed to live them. Taking away child’s childhood is disgusting , even in real life situations the kids usually have somewhat of a kid mindset. These kids don’t even know the difference of being a child and being an adult. Even I get depressed sometimes when I think about how I rushed my childhood. I think CPS is responsible . Where I live if you even are rumored to even hit your child too hard CPS will do a weeks investigation . I couldn’t imagine CPS getting back to back calls but didn’t do any background. That is so damn dangerous . If everyone is saying the same thing then obviously there’s a problem
Danielle, please don’t stress so much, I love your content and can tell you put in SO MUCH hard work into them. I appreciate you! stuff happens don’t beat yourself up ❤
I know how you feel so much. Please don’t have anxiety with us. We’re not your management we’re your support team. Love your videos so much!! Because of you & the research and professionalism, not because of the sound quality. All love - Jo
Be careful shaming people for leaving/abandoning their babies in hospitals. If babies are not wanted, leaving them in a safe place like the hospital is exactly what we want them to do. That should be praised so that it happens more often. So much better than throwing them in the trash. Other than that, I love your storytelling.
I was born and raised in that area, I’ve never heard of this case, crazy! Thank you for covering it. (It’s pronounced Baw-thell)
Never feel bad! Your videos are great quality, especially for not having a team of people helping you 💜Barbara is infuriating. As someone who spent 10 years working as a Personal Support Worker in Canada (I'm thinking the equivalent to a Carer) and frequently had clients with Dementia etc... my heart was just breaking for Jerry's mom.
Sassy Danielle is the best, so here for it. Love your videos, can’t wait to hear this story, never heard it!
Love the way you tell a story......Thank you for the content, brilliant work and if I have heard of a case I still watch because you always have something I didn't know
Jerry was a Very Kind, and Compassionate Man! How Heartbreaking he was taken advantage of so Horribly!
I grew up in the 70s/80s with home phones. When my friends would call, my mom would talk to them for 20 minutes before telling me that I had a call. She inserted herself in my business inappropriately. I was always mortified although my friends always said how much they liked her. It was crazy because she was highly disappointed in me because I was very shy. I'm only 25 minutes into the video but have already taken a couple of breaks. I'll stick out because you are such a great storyteller, Danielle. Phenomenal.
I just unpaused the video and "mortified". Our brains are definitely on the same track today.
Thankfully she never had sex and alcohol parties for us. She was highly concerned that I wasn't having sex until I was 24. But she didn't set me up for it to happen.
We appreciate your insights on this. The amount of detail in this is incredible.
You do make the world better.
You show us - who don't know - just what is normal.
You are, you just are - so beautifully.
This case is so messed up and sad. I hope prison is horrible for Barbra, she is pure evil.
Make up look today is stunning, Danielle!
After your video, I went to Marriam's TED talk and she has the sweetest, most enthusiastic energy. I hope she is out doing great things.
Didn’t even notice any issues last time haha! It was a great video last time, thank you so much for uploading as much as you do! Love your videos sm.
(P.s. Bothell is pronounced “baw-thull” source im a local 😅)
Living for the makeup palette! As a child living with an alcoholic mother, I know very will the system fails because you can make any situation "look normal" when they show up. I live in Washington and the systems in place for abusive home lives is not enough. On a different note my son loves watching your videos with me regardless of the makeup ha ha. Do thank you for creating something we have in common. Love what you do and who you are Danielle. Get sassy girl! This stuff is so leaving common sense I can't help but make a face when you do.
Hearing what happened to Jerry and his mom was in the room just breaks my heart!! 💔
I love Danielle. She delivers these heartbreaking cases with so much passion. I would love for her to cover my granddad's case. I feel as if no one ever cared about it.