Universal History: Beowulf - with Richard Rohlin

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  • Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
  • In this episode of my Universal History series with Richard Rohlin, we discuss the Old English poem, Beowulf. Also, stay tuned for an online course we will host in the coming months about Beowulf from a symbolic perspective.
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    Timestamps:
    00:00:00 - Coming up next...
    00:00:36 - Intro music
    00:01:02 - Announcements from Richard
    00:04:47 - Upcoming online course on Beowulf
    00:06:21 - Introduction to Beowulf
    00:10:42 - The author of Beowulf
    00:13:10 - Apocryphal Christian literature preserved
    00:17:00 - The Beowulf character and the 3 monsters
    00:20:24 - Grendel and the Book of Enoch
    00:23:46 - How did the giants re-emerge?
    00:31:03 - How is there still a line of Cain after the flood?
    00:32:01 - Giants representing civilization
    00:35:51 - Links to the Book of Enoch
    00:39:09 - The name of Grendel
    00:40:49 - Grendel's mother: the siren
    00:42:46 - The idolatry of the Danes
    00:46:19 - Homilary
    00:48:33 - The arkenstone
    00:49:29 - Homily 16: hell
    00:57:56 - What's great about the Beowulf poem
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Комментарии • 165

  • @stevenyoung3752
    @stevenyoung3752 Год назад +112

    Nothing on RUclips hypes me up more than a new Episode of Universal History. I hope these gents keep up the amazing work. I wish Rohlin would do a podcast using his incredible encyclopedic knowledge, or at least write us some books lol

  • @30JLETO
    @30JLETO Год назад +44

    As a Catholic, this series deepens my moral imagination and reminds me why I became Christian in the first place. Thank y’all!

  • @orfious
    @orfious Год назад +35

    The Universal History series would make an epic topic for a documentary series. It always inspires me to buy more obscure books 😅

  • @jonathonfrazier6622
    @jonathonfrazier6622 8 месяцев назад +5

    I think the moral of the story of Grendel's Mother falling to the Giant sword is that evil will unwittingly forge and offer to you the very weapon you will need to destroy it.

    • @NaturalStateWingChun
      @NaturalStateWingChun 5 месяцев назад

      The One ring comes to mind

    • @jonathonfrazier6622
      @jonathonfrazier6622 5 месяцев назад

      @@NaturalStateWingChun Indeed it was almost but not quite a verbatum quote of Tolkien's.

  • @telephonebear21
    @telephonebear21 Год назад +7

    To add to your discussion about giants and civilisation, see the Anglo Saxon poem "The Ruin". It describes a Roman ruin (the first cities in Britain were Roman) as the "handiwork of giants", "enta geweorc" in Old English.

    • @jonathonfrazier6622
      @jonathonfrazier6622 8 месяцев назад

      Cities predate Roman occupation of Britain. The Celtic Oppidiums. ( I may have mispelled that, I don't know).

  • @Nextlevelvic
    @Nextlevelvic Год назад +5

    Wonderful video as always!! Reminds me of this passage from the Zohar:
    "There was a certain male who came into the world from the spirit of the side of Cain, and they called him Tubal-cain. And a certain female emerged with him, and human beings go astray after her, and she was called Naamah... And Naamah makes a roaring noise and cleaves to her side, and she still survives. And her dwelling is among the breakers of the great sea, and she goes out and makes sport with men, warming herself on them in dreams with human desire, and cleaving to them... The sons that she bears from mortal men present themselves to the females among mankind and they become pregnant by them and bear spirits. And they all go to ancient Lilith and she rears them."

  • @xcurvatus
    @xcurvatus Год назад +17

    Awesome! I just did a video for Christmas that touched on Grendel's similarities to the Grinch. You guys took something as "cute" as Groundhog Day and revealed its cosmic implications. I look forward to seeing what you've gleaned from something as gritty and manly as Beowulf.

  • @ScottMannion
    @ScottMannion Год назад +27

    Hard to universalise this one, chaps, look forward to it! People may enjoy this analysis vid as a supplement: "№17 Beowulf's Bane | Anglo-Saxon origins & the eternal evils" Audience comment: "My god it was great, really set my mind alive. Haven't felt like this since peterson started the bible lectures."

    • @maximosmagyar9653
      @maximosmagyar9653 Год назад

      In this series they do seem to celebrate both the culturally particular aspects of things as well as the way that they participate in a more universal Christian pattern. I know that's what they named this series, but do you actually think they over-emphasize the universal nature of the subjects they discuss?

    • @ScottMannion
      @ScottMannion Год назад +1

      ​@@maximosmagyar9653 a little, yes, in a negation of the particular. Even implicitly. But i'm glad it all exists. I mentioned in our dialogue that people are allergic to saying 'Anglo-Saxon' and Pageau has hosted two talks with Roland around the subject, so i'm glad for that-people need to be comfortable saying the word.

  • @xaviorjimenez2227
    @xaviorjimenez2227 Год назад +11

    Y'all need to focus on this podcast more it's probably the best work out there

  • @J.Tom.S
    @J.Tom.S Год назад +21

    “Reversing Hermon” by Michael Heiser had a shocking number of parallels to this discussion. If you have not read him yet, you absolutely should. He was a world-class biblical scholar, irrespective of the stream of Christianity one finds themself in.
    After hearing your deep dive into Beowulf, you have me convinced of the original poet’s intent.

    • @betrion7
      @betrion7 Год назад

      Yeah, it's a bit sad how long does it take for these things to penetrate. I was hoping for some discussion between them while Michael was still alive.
      Many are set in tradition and will not go about reading from protestant scholar.
      For anyone interested he hosted naked bible podcast that is freely available.
      If you're into woo-woo fringepop321 was his outlet as well and questions allowed might be worth checking out.
      For starters search for Heiser logos documentary here on RUclips.

    • @JenniferoftheSea
      @JenniferoftheSea Год назад +2

      It all fits together, doesn't it?😊 Genesis is real history and we are all far closer to it then we can really realize (we are more affected by modernism and the evolution narrative than we realize, even if you don't believe it.)

    • @arimathean4128
      @arimathean4128 Год назад +1

      If you're new to Heiser, the book to start with is The Unseen Realm. Heiser's work has a lot in common with that of Fr Stephen DeYoung, of the Lord of Spirits podcast.

    • @J.Tom.S
      @J.Tom.S Год назад +1

      @@arimathean4128 Thanks. I have read “Unseen Realm”, along with “Demons” and most of “Angels”. I do think you are right that “Unseen Realm” is probably the better starting work as it lays out the case in a gentler fashion for people who have never been exposed to this type of worldview. But “Reversing Hermon” is the more topical for the above discussion, and, in my opinion, an even more interesting read. But both are fantastic.

    • @arimathean4128
      @arimathean4128 Год назад +1

      @@J.Tom.S Thanks. I have "Reversing Hermon" but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. I'll move it up on my reading list, along with 1 Enoch.

  • @dwayneeutsey8162
    @dwayneeutsey8162 Год назад +6

    Thanks for this interesting discussion! I read Beowulf as an undergraduate in my 20s (back in the mid-1980s). The professor raised many of the issues brought up here and I believe he came at his interpretation from a Christian perspective. I remember a main theme he developed was how the further away from his community Beowulf got, the more he became like a monster himself. Something like that. It's been a while. We also read Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, which has become a favorite of mine. I read it again a couple years ago and was more surprised this time around by the mixture of Christian and Pagan themes than I was when I first read it. Your discussion has prompted me to dig out the newer translation of Beowulf that my son read in college and revisit the text.

  • @nathanielhegge5582
    @nathanielhegge5582 Год назад +72

    Average Tolkien fan running to a Pageau video.

    • @jacobgray676
      @jacobgray676 Год назад +8

      Welcome to the bottomless well.

    • @levilightning
      @levilightning Год назад +3

      Welcome. You’re in for a treat.

  • @a.biggajones5307
    @a.biggajones5307 Год назад +6

    Okay, now this is epic

  • @nikolaikai940
    @nikolaikai940 Год назад +5

    I feel like I'm REALLY late to the party.
    I've seen you countless times on interviews with Jordan Peterson but for some reason never bothered to check if you had a youtube channel.
    Well, good news for me, now I have a backlog to catch up on. : D

  • @Jack.A.S
    @Jack.A.S Год назад +4

    Been a long time since you guys mentioned the Goths and raised way more questions than were answered on these mysterious origins. Can't wait to delve deeper

  • @sharonbetts5596
    @sharonbetts5596 Год назад +8

    I loved your lecture. I recently watched a Beowulf video to prepare myself so I could follow this lecture. Richard , you are so knowledgable on this subject. I love learning from both of you.
    In reguard to the idea of multiple gods not being Christian, this is a more modern mindset. If you have read Michael Heiser's book (Bible Scholar), The Unseen Realm, he talks a lot about the Counsel of gods in the old testament. He said the Bible must be read and understood in the context it was written. To do this you must understand the ancient mindset, which is what you and Jonathan talk about too. Michael Heiser says there is a counsel of gods in the old testament but that the Christian/Jewish God is the God above all other Gods. He also incorporates information from Enoch and other ancient literature to acurately understand the Bible. He said the NT Disciples would have had knowledge of these writings because they were commonly known at that time. He said when the the Tower of Bable was destroyed God gave some of the lesser gods authority over certain people groups and geographical areas. This could be another reason that so many stories are repeated in various cultures. He also talks about the the spirits and monsters that are a part of the full Bible story. It makes one read the Bible with more understanding. I love the idea of Universal History because I do think everything fits together and can only be fully understood by those who use God the Lord as a reference point.

    • @ananonymouseuser2571
      @ananonymouseuser2571 Год назад

      Are you a Gnostic? You think "lesser" gods (you used capital G) are giving you hidden "knowledge" about our God's "true" will? Mate, those are demons. There is no "hidden" knowledge that communing with demons will give you, beyond that which will bring you (possibly eternal) harm, as it did Adam and Eve.
      De council of de Ganja gods tell me to breeve de bref of de lyfe fo' eternal knowledge of de Great BONG In De Sky! I breeve de Brefalyfe upon you, dat you may be healed by de great Cannabis Council!
      Is that an accurate summary of a "council"? I saw it in a dream so it must be real.
      Smoking copious amounts of crack also reveals many hidden secrets, like how to carry full size refrigerators on one arm while riding a bicycle. Is there a Council of Crack too?

  • @chrisc7265
    @chrisc7265 Год назад +8

    Richard, if you want to build some hype for your RPG, some videos about how you designed the setting and rules / game design would be super interesting

  • @Nunofurbiznus
    @Nunofurbiznus Год назад +2

    This and the last universal history are the best ones yet, please do more on these topics!!!

  • @beng7206
    @beng7206 Год назад +5

    Finally. It has been too long between these!

  • @tara_artist
    @tara_artist Год назад +2

    Between these conversations and the scholarship of Tom Shippey and his book Beowulf and the North Before the Vikings, we have a very full picture of this time period in history. Bravo guys. And if you haven't heard of Tom's book... Highly recommend! Both of you should get together and compare notes. Your work very much compliments each other! ❤

  • @NorwichCityAFIFASTORY
    @NorwichCityAFIFASTORY Год назад +3

    CAN’T WAIT FOR THIS!

  • @IronKing66
    @IronKing66 Год назад +1

    YEEEEESSSSS!!! I hope to meet Richard one day; coolest nerd ever, for serious. Keep these videos coming! Great stuff!

  • @lausdeo4944
    @lausdeo4944 Год назад +2

    Yes. This is what I have been waiting for.

  • @EamonBurke
    @EamonBurke Год назад +1

    Oh baby let's go! Excited for this one

  • @jacobembry6709
    @jacobembry6709 Год назад +4

    "He's a hardliner when it comes to fairies." Can't explain why this makes me and Jonathan smile so much. Just goofy sounding.

  • @joeroganstrtshots881
    @joeroganstrtshots881 Год назад +1

    Amazing episode

  • @jennytr5056
    @jennytr5056 Год назад

    Really love this iteration of the intro music!!!

  • @evolassunglasses4673
    @evolassunglasses4673 Год назад +1

    Looking forward to this!

  • @zita-lein
    @zita-lein Год назад

    Loved this! And I want the class! ❤

  • @Christopherurich33
    @Christopherurich33 Год назад +1

    Thank you for the knowledge

  • @LiliumCruorem
    @LiliumCruorem Год назад

    My teacher made me read Beowulf in 7th grade. It was a short book. But I remember it kind of baffling me in a way that inspired a deep interest in reading and writing. Definitely taking this video as a sign to read Beowulf through myself again.

  • @dbretton
    @dbretton 7 месяцев назад

    This was truly, truly excellent

  • @robhuck2828
    @robhuck2828 Год назад

    Thank you both. I definitely hope to participate in your class.

  • @Greggarious3033
    @Greggarious3033 4 месяца назад +1

    point of clarification: @26m57s, the worst of the four sorts of betrayal in the final circle of Dante’s Inferno is betrayal of *benefactors*. betrayal of i. kin, ii. nations, iii. guests, and iv. *benefactors*, in that ascending order. Generally good otherwise. 🤙🏻

  • @robhuck2828
    @robhuck2828 Год назад +3

    A Beowulf course! Sign me up!

    • @arimathean4128
      @arimathean4128 Год назад

      I haven't been able to find any info on Richard's Beowulf class. Has it started yet?

  • @stevenyoung3752
    @stevenyoung3752 Год назад +5

    Is there some kind of universal history discord or group chat somewhere to discuss this stuff?

  • @Antrolf
    @Antrolf Год назад

    Very epic!

  • @tara_artist
    @tara_artist Год назад +1

    At long last! It has arrived!

  • @joshuaforeman2611
    @joshuaforeman2611 Год назад +3

    Apparently it’s a Thomistic proverb: "hominem unius libri timeo" ('I fear the man of a single book').

  • @cuteasxtreme
    @cuteasxtreme Год назад +4

    The idea of dog headed men existed in native tribes too particularly mesoamerican tribes. Don’t quote me on that.

  • @h_family_bible_study9403
    @h_family_bible_study9403 Год назад +4

    Richard
    It would be lovely to get a version of your translation with footnotes, wheather as a publication or just you reeding from it

  • @FDosty
    @FDosty Год назад +11

    What is the best version of Beowulf to read in preparation for the class Richard will be teaching. (I own Tolkien's translation.)

    • @russellhoward3866
      @russellhoward3866 Год назад +5

      Richard told me the Ray Liuzza translation is his favorite--it cane out @ the same time as the Seamus Heeney one.

    • @FDosty
      @FDosty Год назад +1

      @@russellhoward3866 I bought both the Heany and Liuzza translations. The only Liuzza I could find was used with underlining and stupid marginal notes. (I hate marking up the texts of books. That’s why God created notebooks on day 6.5.)

    • @russellhoward3866
      @russellhoward3866 Год назад +1

      Search on the publisher's website.

    • @FDosty
      @FDosty Год назад +1

      @@russellhoward3866 Thanks for the advise. A new book is on the way.

    • @russellhoward3866
      @russellhoward3866 Год назад

      @@FDosty 👍

  • @Ac-ip5hd
    @Ac-ip5hd Год назад +1

    “How did I confuse those two weirdos [Grant Morrison and Neil Gaimen]”
    “I don’t know, how could you.”😂

  • @Ac-ip5hd
    @Ac-ip5hd Год назад +1

    Cool, will have to make time for this. This series and Jonathan helped me get into the Holy Fathers and Fr Rose and convert me to Orthodoxy.
    I don’t feel I really need all the archetypal stuff and Imaginal stuff any more, but this series, Beowulf, folklore etc are all very educational and interesting.
    If kept in its proper place and not mixed with the spirituality against hesychasm it’s all far better than the Gnostic/hermetic/Jungian/postmodern, consumerism, and government propaganda co-opting of myth, history, and fairy tales pumped 24/7 in entertainment, games and education.
    If there are issues with different paths to Orthodoxy having different baggage, be it a softer academic approach that can be soft and move against patristics ceding to the times, or conversely the young guys coming in against that being rude to priests, I do think those coming in this way need to be very careful about Theosophy, process theology, Origenism (Jonathan himself is very careful there), Jung etc and get into the liturgy with a spiritual father that doesn’t allow for those things.
    I know that splits with neoliberalism and conservatism via Peterson, but it also has extreme individualism not just from the Peterson side, but also the Gnostic psychedelic side, and on the side of natural/process theology the kind of stuff we saw with the Living Church and Christian esotericism Jonathan addressed in his video with Grail Country.
    This overlaps with things like an OCA bishop rejecting the ecumenical councils to be amenable to ecumenicism and modernity and extra-ecclesiastical power in academia, and left wing infiltration, subversion and state influence and pressure through scandal as well as through both Constantinople under the Turks and the infiltration of the Vatican. It involves taking COVID money and deplatforming Abbot Tryphon by Ancient Faith and coincides with lists of who not to listen to as well to avoid these things and has strange overlap with neocon boomer mentalities.
    I hope to see Jonathan address this with the more traditionalist priests like Fr Trenham, Fr Turbo, Fr Heers or Fr John Whiteford, or another discourse with Dyer.
    Thanks for your work Jonathan and Richard. God bless and have a productive Lent.

  • @JohnSmith-jo1fs
    @JohnSmith-jo1fs Год назад +6

    Beyond his hand written translation, is there a particular edition of Beowulf Richard would recommend?

    • @BibleKeyes
      @BibleKeyes Год назад +2

      I don’t know the answer, but I know Tolkien wrote a translation and commentary… I’m drawn to anything by Tolkien lol. So that’s what I’m drawn to

    • @jonathonfrazier6622
      @jonathonfrazier6622 8 месяцев назад +1

      Tolkien.

  • @johnshee07
    @johnshee07 Год назад

    I love you guys 👍👍

  • @h_family_bible_study9403
    @h_family_bible_study9403 Год назад +1

    49:02 this reminded me of the poem the pearl (by the sir Gawaine poet)
    part of what the author seems to do is use images of Mary and combine them with images of the sanctified church and his daughter.

  • @notloki3377
    @notloki3377 Год назад +8

    funnily enough, there are some critical race "scholars" who are grendel sympathizers, and shun beowulf for being a mean mad white man.
    i enjoy these series immensely, keep it up!

    • @the2ndcoming135
      @the2ndcoming135 Год назад

      Well, I’m not gonna use the R-word. But, I certainly understand the level of skepticism for obvious reasons. Plus, Beowulf was a monster slayer. So, there’s that😆

  • @guilhermemeier3015
    @guilhermemeier3015 Год назад +2

    Please, do one about the Epic of Gilgamesh

  • @ruslpit2615
    @ruslpit2615 Год назад

    The cavalcade of questions that get answered in these conversations…hell in the north; the burn of frost bite..

  • @chief_tobias_
    @chief_tobias_ Год назад +3

    Are y'all going to go through the Mabinogion at some point?

  • @zita-lein
    @zita-lein 8 месяцев назад

    @36:35 Richard reaches for two volumes - his own translation. He is just amazing. And adorable, but let me not digress.

  • @SautterFilm
    @SautterFilm 6 месяцев назад

    Have you come across the work The Heliand? I’m just discovering it, but it’s a translation of the Gospel written for the Germanic-Saxon people in the early centuries. The author understood that the mindset of the pagan north would be different from the Middle Eastern mind and so translated the Gospel to evangelize the Saxon people. Would be interested if this is something you’ve delved into.

  • @martinzies2874
    @martinzies2874 Год назад +3

    Really interesting about Grendel being a decendent of Cain due to killing of kin and kin meaning fellow humans and the war of God v the giants being behind the flood also. I always thought the significance of the sword Beowulf found underwater was the tools of a place, like languages, are better used in that place, hence why his own sword failed. Why did Germanic people put hell in the north?

    • @jonathonfrazier6622
      @jonathonfrazier6622 8 месяцев назад +1

      To the Germanic peoples, or at least the Norse ( the Norse get over-emphasized due to the lack of other surviving Germanic traditions), Hell is a place of Ice and cold, ruled by the goddesss Hel, daughter of Loki, from which the modern word " Hell" derives. Actually the place was'nt named Hell, it was Nifleheim.

  • @BJORNArtist
    @BJORNArtist Год назад +1

    A fistfight in Canada over Beowulf...
    Reality never disappoints, that's marvelous.

  • @djz9584
    @djz9584 Год назад +1

    Pretty cool now to think of the Danes and Geats as Orthodox potentially. BC when I was a protestant and read this. Just assumed they were "catholic"

  • @caseyl3631
    @caseyl3631 Год назад

    I've heard that the folk song " John barleycorn" has some connections with the Beowulf story.

  • @davidvanvranken1595
    @davidvanvranken1595 Год назад +1

    Listening to this, I just realized that the xenomorph with its acidic blood is like Grendel and his mother

  • @betweenearthandsky4091
    @betweenearthandsky4091 Год назад +1

    From chatGPT: Peterson and Pageau, as modern-day oracles, illuminate the path toward self-discovery, bridging the chasm between ancient wisdom and contemporary understanding. Their insights, shimmering like dewdrops on the leaves of our collective knowledge, nourish our thirst for meaning and purpose amidst the chaos of existence.
    😂

  • @theosebes9975
    @theosebes9975 Год назад

    Reupload? I remember watching this a few months ago.

  • @davidnattestad7627
    @davidnattestad7627 Год назад

    great class! two questions: what year do scholars think this story was written and of what thought concerning Beowulf was Tolkien? again very interesting talk

  • @wendygale282
    @wendygale282 Год назад

    If any man ever pulls out his own translation of Beowulf in a conversation with me, I'm marrying that man.

  • @gcummings88
    @gcummings88 Год назад +1

    Aristotle said that if we knew 5 books really well we would be well-read.

  • @cedricburkhart3738
    @cedricburkhart3738 Год назад

    I remember reading a portion of the poem at 17. I conclude the a large part of it must have been derived from early cristeon belfes. I was told that it was pigeon I think I dropped the topic but still it seems undoubtably influenced by cristanty.

  • @fortnitebotpetti7293
    @fortnitebotpetti7293 6 месяцев назад +2

    My grandmother told me Beowulf was a story of Pagan/Christian conflict. Grendel, his mother represented the ancient pagan gods ir remainder of Nephlim, demanding terrible sacrifices, the dragon lurking evil or Satan. The hero from the North was a saviour, not Christ but perhaps a saint? Can't recall the detail but I loved this podcast.

  • @cidklutch
    @cidklutch Год назад +3

    Interesting bit about the giant sword... any similarities between that and Goliath's sword that is held with the ark of the covenant? very interesting

    • @the2ndcoming135
      @the2ndcoming135 Год назад

      Not sure. From what I understand Beowulf has similar invincibility to King Arthur. It may have something to do with him being king. Not clear on whether a sword is tied into that or not. But, essentially it’s because he was fated to be king.

    • @lausdeo4944
      @lausdeo4944 Год назад +1

      It's pretty neat if you read the poem, it's said to have a serpent twisting around the hilt. Gives me Garden of Eden vibes.

  • @kennethrothman5511
    @kennethrothman5511 Год назад

    Can anyone recommend me which edition of Beowulf I should buy?

  • @DennisCNolasco
    @DennisCNolasco Год назад

    Which translation would Richard suggest (other than his own), for Beowulf? Would Tolkien’s be the best, since Tolkien is translating it from a strong traditional Catholic background?

  • @jon4233
    @jon4233 Год назад

    The sword thing was interesting as David cut off Goliath's head with Goliath's sword.

  • @jennifercampanaro7544
    @jennifercampanaro7544 Год назад

    Me too !

  • @jonathonfrazier6622
    @jonathonfrazier6622 8 месяцев назад

    Everytime I hear "kinslaying", I think of Feanor.

  • @cmcapps1963
    @cmcapps1963 Год назад

    Richards professor called the poet a "hard liner"?!? Dr. Tom Shippey?!? He's not the only one to use the phrase I suppose but I've heard him use it many times!

  • @js1817
    @js1817 8 месяцев назад

    Anyone here read Headley's re-telling? What did you think?
    I plan to read it, but I am ready for it to be a re-telling that reflects the authour's views, and not the poem itself.

  • @JuliusCaminus
    @JuliusCaminus Год назад +1

    Scenes like the finding of the giants' sword make me think that Conan the Barbarian must have taken some direct inspiration from Beowulf.

    • @spaak3465
      @spaak3465 Год назад +1

      Not a bad connection, for a mere castle age knight of course.

    • @JuliusCaminus
      @JuliusCaminus Год назад +1

      @spaak3465 Is that the taunting of longbowmen I hear?

  • @zenden6564
    @zenden6564 Год назад +1

    Can you refer to a recommended translation please?

  • @loveandmercy9664
    @loveandmercy9664 Год назад +2

    When is universal history coming to North America? the song of Hiawatha, Wacousta, the popol Vuhl and many other things.

    • @lausdeo4944
      @lausdeo4944 Год назад +1

      That's funny. I was just wondering if they would ever touch of Hiawatha. They have done some work on North America, but mostly with traditions of the USA.

  • @beowulf.reborn
    @beowulf.reborn 11 месяцев назад

    I think the Poem is fairly clear that Beowulf is meant to reflect the pre-Christian Godfearers, and set him against the pagans of the North. The idea being that just because paganism was the main religion of the Germanic peoples, and the Scandinavians in particular. Still, God had a remnant of righteous Gentiles (like Cornelius from the Book of Acts).
    This is why, despite Beowulf clearly being a worshipper of the God of gods, the Poem never mentions Christ, or Jesus, or the Apostles, or anything else from the New Testament times. Because Beowulf is Godfearer, and one of the Righteous Gentiles.

  • @lordofhostsappreciator3075
    @lordofhostsappreciator3075 Год назад +10

    LARPagans can cope & seethe all they want; Beowulf will still remain a Christian story at the end of the day.

    • @lausdeo4944
      @lausdeo4944 Год назад +7

      Indeed! Christ is King!

    • @primusinterpares5767
      @primusinterpares5767 Год назад +2

      So true!

    • @the2ndcoming135
      @the2ndcoming135 Год назад

      Plus, he did have some cool weapons. Can’t remember the exact names. The book is a hard read. But, worth it if you’re a young impressionable male interested in warrior stories and such.

    • @crushinnihilism
      @crushinnihilism Год назад

      When your religion is just a Frankenstein of every pagan religion then I guess everything pagan becomes Christian

    • @jeeves9428
      @jeeves9428 Год назад

      How is it Christian? Beowulfs adventures are all motivated by his want for fame, glory and material wealth. There are a few references to genesis and God as a sort of diety that controls fate, but none of Jesus christ.

  • @ivan.engelchristisking
    @ivan.engelchristisking Год назад

    The question is whether it is theologically correct in presupposing that it's good to imply grace outside the Church.

  • @enzocompanbadillo5365
    @enzocompanbadillo5365 Год назад +1

    The intro music has video game "GAME OVER" vibes, but in a nice chill way.

  • @JohnSmith-wo2fz
    @JohnSmith-wo2fz Год назад +1

    How's the Tolkien translation of Beowulf?

  • @celienepaul5378
    @celienepaul5378 9 месяцев назад

    💜

  • @mywinterapocalypse
    @mywinterapocalypse Год назад

    Which is a good translation for Beowulf?

  • @AnUnhappyBusiness
    @AnUnhappyBusiness Год назад

    Luther and Cranmer wrote homilies for the priests to read aloud, it was very common among Protestants of that time to read written homilies. The avoidance of it today is the aberration. But actually a lot of protestant pastors still do it; that is what that whole plagiarism scandal in the SBC was about

  • @user-ll4hd7yy9d
    @user-ll4hd7yy9d Год назад

    You mention that the book of enoch banned by the Pope? I tried searching but can't find anything.

  • @kenhelm8832
    @kenhelm8832 Год назад

    I ordered one of your shirts 2.5 months ago, and I never received the order. Is this normal?

    • @lisaonthemargins
      @lisaonthemargins Год назад +4

      Hi, no. You should reach out to Teespring! Jonathan doesn't deal with any customer service, if there's a mistake then it's on Teespring and they will refund you or send you a new shirt.

    • @primusinterpares5767
      @primusinterpares5767 Год назад

      Definitely not normal. Talk to teespring.

  • @tomfromtexas
    @tomfromtexas Год назад +2

    Beowulf is the story of man’s battle w addiction/impulsive behaviors and all it’s consequences. Grendel is symbolic of the beast man turns to when “drunk”

  • @kennethrothman5511
    @kennethrothman5511 Год назад

    Richard, publish your translation!?

  • @jonathankniffen8304
    @jonathankniffen8304 Год назад

    Where is the class?

  • @suzukitalenteducationbyali1229

    Hi Johnathan, I’ve been watching your videos and interactions with Dr. Peterson and others for some time, thank you for helping us understand the patterns of reality! I just watched an old video of yours, symbolic vs literal interpretation of the Bible, and I have a question which I want to comment on here because I don’t know if you would see this comment under an old video.
    Everything you say about intrinsic symbolic nature of reality seems true, but why is it that you cannot conclude with something straightforward such as,
    “I believe, as the church has always taught in its creeds and confessions, as historical fact, that there was, in 1st century Palestine, a Jewish man named Jesus from the town of Nazareth. The biblical gospels are an accurate representation of his life and teachings. On a certain day in the early 30s A.D., this historical Jesus of Nazareth was crucified in plain view of the public under the Roman authority of Pontius Pilate, and his dead body was put into a marked tomb. Yet this tomb was found to be empty on the third day after the burial. The most obvious non-supernatural explanation of this event has always been that body was stolen or misplaced somehow. Yet against all reason, his disciples began to teach that they encountered their rabbi Jesus in a resurrected form, in his same flesh and blood body, bearing the marks of his crucifixion, but somehow alive again, eating and drinking normal food with them, but that this was also a transformed and immortal body, which they saw ascend to into heaven and disappear in front of their eyes. They did not understand everything they saw and experienced, but the disciples each went to their deaths because they could not deny what they saw, and they believed they would also be raised to life one day with the same kind of immortal resurrection body which they saw with their own eyes and touched with their hands. The unbeliever will say that this was a lie or a mass hallucination, but I believe the Apostles were neither lying nor hallucinating, but rather they were witnesses to a truly unique miraculous event in the history, a one-of-a-kind one-place-one-time intersection of the divine Logos with the created order. And this event is the center of the cosmos, in which we find all meaning and purpose, through which we have hope for union with God into eternal life and joy.”
    Do you not affirm the historicity of the resurrection of Christ as I described? I get the sense that you do, but somehow you always skirt around the question for reasons I do not fully grasp.

  • @ethanb2554
    @ethanb2554 Год назад +1

    What translation is recommended?

    • @lausdeo4944
      @lausdeo4944 Год назад +2

      I have heard good things about Tolkien's translation. I was actually surprised they didn't mention it.

    • @joygibbons5482
      @joygibbons5482 Год назад

      @@lausdeo4944 as an alternative try that by Seamus Heaney

  • @glenliesegang233
    @glenliesegang233 Год назад

    Can the first 6 minutes be put at the end?

  • @aprillee83
    @aprillee83 Год назад

    So basically I just realized how much Beowulf poem is in The Hobbit

  • @daves-c8919
    @daves-c8919 Год назад

    Is the end of the angel names (EL) linked to the old god of the Canaanites, EL?
    The one Yahweh kinda blends with to become the God of the Israelites?

    • @arimathean4128
      @arimathean4128 Год назад +1

      The Semitic EL is just the generic word for God or a god. The Arabic Allah and Hebrew Elohim come from the same root. (Elohim is in plural form, which serves as an intensifier.) So, yes, they are linked.

    • @daves-c8919
      @daves-c8919 Год назад

      @@arimathean4128 thanks, that’s super cool

  • @sennewam
    @sennewam Год назад

    Top keks

  • @universalflamethrower6342
    @universalflamethrower6342 Год назад

    Starway to Pageau

  • @vanfja
    @vanfja Год назад +6

    Sacramental imagination is this really a good way to portray understanding of the Holy Mysteries. Pageau, Rohlin, Fr Andrew Stephen Damick Kotar, and others are the new Orthodox Fantasy School. All excellent academics and I am sure very well meaning, but there is no monastic grounding. They grew up around Western fantasy as children and this along with western style academia where nothing is forbidden all guides a lot of their though. Like the Parisian School, there may be some good but there is also a lot of danger and bad. Understanding imagery of Orthodox Christian writings, stories, lessons is very good and needed in the west where much has been forgotten, the entire mystical mindset had been lost, but it needs to be viewed from a sober spiritual life. Being tantalised and enticed by imagination and mythical worlds (not Beowulf, but LOTR and others) as they discuss in other podcasts has many dangerous slopes to fall down.
    We do not need to “Imagine” the holy mysteries, we know! Saint John of the Ladder says imagination is of the daemons. The angels are present with The Christ in the altar and all the Temple during the liturgy . We do not need to imagine them. Also just because some ancient writers may have been Christian does not mean what they wrote was not influenced by demonic powers intended to confuse or lead people away. I just stress caution with all this renewed academic interest explaining imagery, myths, stories, fantasies and using that to view our True Faith.

    • @the2ndcoming135
      @the2ndcoming135 Год назад

      The scriptures also blatantly state that the outer courts would be trampled on by the Gentiles/Pagans. So, basically illiterate morons getting ahold of sacred info and mutilating it to their own interpretation.

    • @Ac-ip5hd
      @Ac-ip5hd Год назад +3

      Yes! I came in through this way via Jordan Peterson/Jung/Vervaeke and Pageau, and am very grateful for that but there are going to be many who do not understand this and want to mix the intermediary realm into Orthodoxy via Jungianism and Theosophy.
      It’s wrong and dangerous and should be addressed with caveats every time they talk. There is good and interesting history here and a place for fairy tales and psychology outside and below the faith, but much of this was and is used for subversion and against Christianity from the Renaissance to German criticism, new age, masonry and illumanism, Hollywood, academia and post modernism. We should be very careful not to rebuild Orthodoxy on that.
      Pageau has been pretty good about caveats there and church closings, as well as accepting the councils rejection of Origen, but there are some danger zones along with Damick and the de platforming of Abbot Tryphon.
      It is typically in these open minded circles that Origenism, David Bentley Hart, Sophiology etc intellectualize the faith and cede ground to leftism and globalism (if other routes lead to phylotism and young men being rude to priests that is a separate issue.) I know there are other factors as well such as scandals (which there were in The Lives of The Saints or Herod as a puppet for the Romans, and Paul’s epistles), to the geopolitical pressure on Constantinople since WWI, but these things have to be addressed.

  • @theeightbithero
    @theeightbithero Год назад

    Yo, Johnathan! Put this guy in contact with Peterson! He would be perfect for Peterson’s school he is trying to get off the ground.

  • @rowlandharryweston6037
    @rowlandharryweston6037 Год назад

    "Down from the moorlands misting fells came Grendel stalking, God's brand was on him"

  • @orthobro4806
    @orthobro4806 Год назад

    🐺