Love the vibe this video! I know filming can be cumbersome when you just want to go for a ride, so i appreciate you taking us along with you. Fall in the mountains really is the dream! I've been really liking the idea of a flat bar "urban" bike that handles big tires for going off road and staying comfortable. While I'm sure it's not as perfectly suited for gnarly gravel as other bikes, it definitely gets the job done.
Russ rides the kinderkoppen and puts his wrists in peril to provide the knowledge and we appreciate it! 👍🏻 That view of the valley is definitely poster/portrait worthy.
These are my favorite PLP videos by far, riding in beautiful scenery, pleasant music, off the cuff commentary. Just perfect. Makes me miss living in Boulder and that's just the vibe I come here for.
I picked one of those up a few months ago. Great bike! I did a semi drop bar conversion with the new Surly corner bar. I use it as a back-up gravel bike and all around exploring bike. It's equally fun on pavement, gravel and the type of light trails Russ is riding in the video. I love the versatility. I has lots of mounting options for racks or fenders and can even be set-up single speed. You get a lot of bike for $1600.
It's great seeing the Missoula foothills again. My family had a fishing cabin on Rock Creek for decades - Lovely spot of the planet you've chosen to take us on these bike reviews. I haven't been back in a while, and miss it. You've put this All-City through its paces and it held up, showing a lot of versatility. Another great review, Russ.
We don’t all come with the same batteries. My back and hips don’t like posture of drops or straight bars. Likes h-bars and a rise. But I love riding some else’s drops for an hour if it is neato bike. Thanks for trying out bikes for the rest of us and the conversation.
AllCity is indeed amazing! Super Pro for lighter single track and Gorilla Monsoon for heavy duty bikepacking and chunkier terrain. I absolutely love these bikes
Soaking up that chunk! We had an awesome ride this weekend on the Buxton/Bacona gravel, which I know you’re familiar with from your time in Oregon. Enjoy these nice days while they last! Best wishes ✌️
Russ I get it. Ride what fits you. I've never felt like the hoods on most brifters ever felt "super" comfy. Started having trigger thumb problems after carpel tunnel surgery so I've put Jones bars on my gravel/adventure rigs. I find the Jones bars more comfy than drops although a little less aero but still not bad when my hands are on the front.
It is funny that you said that about wrist issues. After about a year of riding hybrid bikes I developed wrist problems myself. It got so bad that typing started to hurt my wrist. Since switching to drop bar bikes, the problems I've been having went away.
Put narrower bars on it and a 3x crankset and you've got an early 90s mountain bike. Back in the pre-suspension days, speeds were lower and lines were twistier; a lot of emphasis was placed on quick steering. There's still a use-case for a bike like that. Out here in the Northeast forests are dense and those old 90s with their quick steering and narrow bars could thread twisty forest singletrack like a needle. Still the average "mountain bike" rider was more like a "gravel" rider today; it was about covering distance not cleaning features. That was before the influx of young riders who'd cut their teeth on BMX trick riding and brought their crazy bike handling skills to the sport.
Great video as always! I have this bike set up as a singlespeed with a Venturemax XL bar, 650b Hunts and putting Gravdals for the winter season. Back to 47mm Teravail Washburns in the late spring. Going to try a friction shifter and rear derailleur so I can easily switch back to a singlespeed for the following winter. This is my commuter and planning to try some light bikepacking as well. The AllCity master dropout offers a lot of options.
how are you liking the bike 2 years later? Any issues with the master/2 for 1 dropout? There is one of these bikes on sale for 40% off and I'm tempted to snag it, but the proprietary dropout concerns me.
Agree it's a flat bar cross bike. My wife has one, and she loves it. I've ridden it a bit, and the rear end feels quite responsive and jumpy compared with that of my noodly Straggler. Doesn't hurt that it's gorgeous either.
I think this bike is mutch better adapted to a general bike one takes out front door for a mix of utilitarian and rec/adventure cycling. I think the average super pro user will only rarely go on "chonk" but it's nice to know it can!
thanks for trying something different. beautiful ride around Missoula. would be interested to know the conditions while you are doing a ride - temp, wind, etc.
For the wrist issue, elevate the seat so your elbow is higher than the desk, which prevents resting body weight on the wrist, preventing carpel tunnel syndrome. If your table is too high, buy another one, or better yet, build one yourself, that way the the tabletop is exact for your chair height. And lean against the back rest when sitting; don't lean forward on your wrist once you have a right tabletop height.
This looks a lot like the late model Macho Man, but with longer chain stays and thru-axles. Curious that All City built the smaller (43" & 46") MMs around 650b (good move, IMO), but not this bike. My only complaint about the MM is that my 46" frame maxes out at 650bx42s (could maybe squeeze some 43s), so maybe the longer chain stays on the SP were a concession to fatter meats? I enjoy the quick steering around town, and even on tame, flowy single track - ie. good all-rounder, which seems to match your description of this "dad bike" well enough. PS. I also really dug the music in this video!
Great review! Have you ever tried Ergon GP5 grips on a flatbar? I have Ergons on 3 of my bikes and love their GP5 model with so many different hand positions you can use which has eliminated my previous elbow / forearm pain.
Hey Russ, I'm considering getting this or the Surly Straggler. Which do you think would be a better option, and whats the major difference between both?
Hey Russ, How does this geo compare to your Bombora, if you were to put drop bars on it. I’m not the most familiar with numbers, and I tried to take a look at bikeinsights to compare. Seem pretty similar overall, yet you said this bike is twitchy. Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks
Oof, gotta put an All-City video out when I've been thinking about replacing my road bike with a Space Horse even though I have a Fargo. I guess the idea of running sub 2.0/50 tires on the Fargo just doesn't seem proper, and something 30 or low 40, more CX use just seems more appropraite for the Space Horse. Also, dang I wish I had such roads or places to ride nearby.
Should I go to 700x47 or 650bx47? Will 47 be much smoother than 44? My rim brake gravel bike is so much smoother than my new steel disc gravel bike with the same tyres (700x 44mm). Maybe I should just sell my new bike as the old steel is much smoother than the new steel.
If your wrists are getting abused, have you considered getting a short-travel shock? You can either pay $$$ for something fancy from Lauf, Cannondale, etc., or get get a refurbed short-travel 28mm 90s MTB shock that weighs
@@PathLessPedaledTV Why? Older bikes had curved forks to soak up hits, which is why Rene Herse bikes are so fast. Not possible with discs, which is why short travel suspension is so great!
@@rolfaalto they're expensive and heavy and require maintenance and I get plenty of suspension from the tire. Suspension, like I mentioned before isnt what is causing my wrist issues, so it'd just be a waste of money.
@@rolfaalto short travel suspension is a pretty big leap from a curved fork and isn't really equivalent when you factor in weight, complexity, maintenance, inefficiency when climbing, etc.,
@@PathLessPedaledTV so my 20 year old SID Race Titanium weights only 2.7 lbs, has 100% lockout for climbing, and is from an era when Rockshox built forks to last. Dual air lets me dial in the ride for perfect performance and PLUSHNESS!!
Dad bike? I'm a double dad and a single grand dad. I ride a Fargo, Mukluk, CrossCheck, Ogre, and a Fuji Cambridge. Dad's need low gearing as our legs are tired from carrying the burdens of our families.
Russ, you really need to ride a road bike sometime, just to remember that supple is a spectrum … and you, my friend, are living squarely on one end. 👍😎🚴
I'm beginning to think this entire gravel bike thing is complete BS. Find an old steel rigid Specialized Stumpjumper and replace the components as needed and save a bundle. I had the chance but unfortunately let it pass. The bike industry is f'ed in the head.
Love the vibe this video! I know filming can be cumbersome when you just want to go for a ride, so i appreciate you taking us along with you. Fall in the mountains really is the dream!
I've been really liking the idea of a flat bar "urban" bike that handles big tires for going off road and staying comfortable. While I'm sure it's not as perfectly suited for gnarly gravel as other bikes, it definitely gets the job done.
Russ rides the kinderkoppen and puts his wrists in peril to provide the knowledge and we appreciate it! 👍🏻 That view of the valley is definitely poster/portrait worthy.
These are my favorite PLP videos by far, riding in beautiful scenery, pleasant music, off the cuff commentary. Just perfect. Makes me miss living in Boulder and that's just the vibe I come here for.
Loving things new style.
I picked one of those up a few months ago. Great bike! I did a semi drop bar conversion with the new Surly corner bar. I use it as a back-up gravel bike and all around exploring bike. It's equally fun on pavement, gravel and the type of light trails Russ is riding in the video. I love the versatility. I has lots of mounting options for racks or fenders and can even be set-up single speed. You get a lot of bike for $1600.
It's great seeing the Missoula foothills again. My family had a fishing cabin on Rock Creek for decades - Lovely spot of the planet you've chosen to take us on these bike reviews. I haven't been back in a while, and miss it. You've put this All-City through its paces and it held up, showing a lot of versatility. Another great review, Russ.
We don’t all come with the same batteries. My back and hips don’t like posture of drops or straight bars. Likes h-bars and a rise. But I love riding some else’s drops for an hour if it is neato bike. Thanks for trying out bikes for the rest of us and the conversation.
Learning so much from your podcasts. Not the bike for my injuries but I loved seeing the topography and specs details.
AllCity is indeed amazing! Super Pro for lighter single track and Gorilla Monsoon for heavy duty bikepacking and chunkier terrain. I absolutely love these bikes
I got this bike last year and I fell in love so quickly! So happy to see you review it!
Soaking up that chunk! We had an awesome ride this weekend on the Buxton/Bacona gravel, which I know you’re familiar with from your time in Oregon. Enjoy these nice days while they last! Best wishes ✌️
Digging the audio mixing on this video. Great music, and really smooth!
This video format is great! Loving your recent stuff
Russ I get it. Ride what fits you. I've never felt like the hoods on most brifters ever felt "super" comfy. Started having trigger thumb problems after carpel tunnel surgery so I've put Jones bars on my gravel/adventure rigs. I find the Jones bars more comfy than drops although a little less aero but still not bad when my hands are on the front.
It is funny that you said that about wrist issues. After about a year of riding hybrid bikes I developed wrist problems myself. It got so bad that typing started to hurt my wrist. Since switching to drop bar bikes, the problems I've been having went away.
Put narrower bars on it and a 3x crankset and you've got an early 90s mountain bike. Back in the pre-suspension days, speeds were lower and lines were twistier; a lot of emphasis was placed on quick steering.
There's still a use-case for a bike like that. Out here in the Northeast forests are dense and those old 90s with their quick steering and narrow bars could thread twisty forest singletrack like a needle. Still the average "mountain bike" rider was more like a "gravel" rider today; it was about covering distance not cleaning features. That was before the influx of young riders who'd cut their teeth on BMX trick riding and brought their crazy bike handling skills to the sport.
Great video as always! I have this bike set up as a singlespeed with a Venturemax XL bar, 650b Hunts and putting Gravdals for the winter season. Back to 47mm Teravail Washburns in the late spring. Going to try a friction shifter and rear derailleur so I can easily switch back to a singlespeed for the following winter. This is my commuter and planning to try some light bikepacking as well. The AllCity master dropout offers a lot of options.
how are you liking the bike 2 years later? Any issues with the master/2 for 1 dropout? There is one of these bikes on sale for 40% off and I'm tempted to snag it, but the proprietary dropout concerns me.
Agree it's a flat bar cross bike. My wife has one, and she loves it. I've ridden it a bit, and the rear end feels quite responsive and jumpy compared with that of my noodly Straggler.
Doesn't hurt that it's gorgeous either.
I think this bike is mutch better adapted to a general bike one takes out front door for a mix of utilitarian and rec/adventure cycling. I think the average super pro user will only rarely go on "chonk" but it's nice to know it can!
after this video, I'm not sure if I want to buy a Super Pro or move to Missoula or both, haha - great video
I like the hunter orange for the rifle season, safe and looks great.
thanks for trying something different. beautiful ride around Missoula. would be interested to know the conditions while you are doing a ride - temp, wind, etc.
Missoula Bears sounds like your local school football team.
Well, lucky them because it looks like you have some beautiful riding spots out there!
University of Montana Grizzlies. Thank you.
Leafage should definitely be a word, looks a sweet ride, and great to see it out and about.
Watching you decend reminds me of my misspent youth!! Always love the content 👌. Thanks Russ 😊
This is also my go-to route - don't give away all our secrets Russ!
i made a trip to fish the little bighorn, wow what a beautiful place, have you been? thanks great channel. love all city
I like how you changed the format of the video , music, no into talk.
Hey Russ. What size frame were you riding? Happy and Healthy 22' to you both.
For the wrist issue, elevate the seat so your elbow is higher than the desk, which prevents resting body weight on the wrist, preventing carpel tunnel syndrome. If your table is too high, buy another one, or better yet, build one yourself, that way the the tabletop is exact for your chair height. And lean against the back rest when sitting; don't lean forward on your wrist once you have a right tabletop height.
This looks a lot like the late model Macho Man, but with longer chain stays and thru-axles. Curious that All City built the smaller (43" & 46") MMs around 650b (good move, IMO), but not this bike. My only complaint about the MM is that my 46" frame maxes out at 650bx42s (could maybe squeeze some 43s), so maybe the longer chain stays on the SP were a concession to fatter meats? I enjoy the quick steering around town, and even on tame, flowy single track - ie. good all-rounder, which seems to match your description of this "dad bike" well enough. PS. I also really dug the music in this video!
Great review! Have you ever tried Ergon GP5 grips on a flatbar? I have Ergons on 3 of my bikes and love their GP5 model with so many different hand positions you can use which has eliminated my previous elbow / forearm pain.
Yes. I’ve tried those and they don’t work for me.
Love the scenery. Great place to live in.
Beautiful place, how I wish I can bike and explore the trails there.
Did you mean the WTB Sendero 650bx47 (or 27.5x1.85")? Would you go for a semi-slick design like the Schwalbe Land Cruiser?
Hey Russ, I'm considering getting this or the Surly Straggler. Which do you think would be a better option, and whats the major difference between both?
Biggest difference is the stock handlebar configuration and the sliding dropouts on the All City. Really if you want drops or flats.
@PathLessPedaledTV Alright, thanks alot Russ! Really appreciate the great work brother!
I miss having dirt to ride. My local area really doesn't offer anything other then road.
Hey Russ,
How does this geo compare to your Bombora, if you were to put drop bars on it.
I’m not the most familiar with numbers, and I tried to take a look at bikeinsights to compare. Seem pretty similar overall, yet you said this bike is twitchy.
Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks
Oof, gotta put an All-City video out when I've been thinking about replacing my road bike with a Space Horse even though I have a Fargo. I guess the idea of running sub 2.0/50 tires on the Fargo just doesn't seem proper, and something 30 or low 40, more CX use just seems more appropraite for the Space Horse. Also, dang I wish I had such roads or places to ride nearby.
Bear spray only makes you tastier to bears. Carry an air horn, it works better.
How about running the All City in a mullet setup. 29 in front, see if it calms the steering down
Maybe if I owned it but I'm shipping it back.
Flat bar is great.
I like the Specialized mini riser bars on my flat bar gravel bike
Love your reviews!
Wheelset the Hunt Mason X Adventure Sports?
Happy Halloween! Do you do Missoula group rides?
Should I go to 700x47 or 650bx47? Will 47 be much smoother than 44? My rim brake gravel bike is so much smoother than my new steel disc gravel bike with the same tyres (700x 44mm). Maybe I should just sell my new bike as the old steel is much smoother than the new steel.
Sick bike
Enjoyed your videos xx Stay Safe!!!
That looks 👀 like a cool trail….however I would be afraid of the bears 🐻
If your wrists are getting abused, have you considered getting a short-travel shock? You can either pay $$$ for something fancy from Lauf, Cannondale, etc., or get get a refurbed short-travel 28mm 90s MTB shock that weighs
I don’t want to ride with a front shock. Period.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Why? Older bikes had curved forks to soak up hits, which is why Rene Herse bikes are so fast. Not possible with discs, which is why short travel suspension is so great!
@@rolfaalto they're expensive and heavy and require maintenance and I get plenty of suspension from the tire. Suspension, like I mentioned before isnt what is causing my wrist issues, so it'd just be a waste of money.
@@rolfaalto short travel suspension is a pretty big leap from a curved fork and isn't really equivalent when you factor in weight, complexity, maintenance, inefficiency when climbing, etc.,
@@PathLessPedaledTV so my 20 year old SID Race Titanium weights only 2.7 lbs, has 100% lockout for climbing, and is from an era when Rockshox built forks to last. Dual air lets me dial in the ride for perfect performance and PLUSHNESS!!
So it's a 90s all rigid MTB😁
Drop bars rule, flat bars drool
New tunes!!!!!
You need an e bike for that ride !
any clearance issues in back Russ? Do the WTB measure as stated?
No clearance issues.
Dad bike? I'm a double dad and a single grand dad. I ride a Fargo, Mukluk, CrossCheck, Ogre, and a Fuji Cambridge. Dad's need low gearing as our legs are tired from carrying the burdens of our families.
NEW SUBS IDOL
but that is mountain bike *ducks for cover for the oncoming missiles* ... yeah who cares, nice video.
BB Drop is only 60mm. This frame wants to be 650b!
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MSRP $1850 USD
Russ, you really need to ride a road bike sometime, just to remember that supple is a spectrum … and you, my friend, are living squarely on one end. 👍😎🚴
[laughs from a bit further down the spectrum on a rigid VO Piolet with 2.8" g-one allrounds.]
Define "dadbike"
It’s the bike equivalent of dadbod. Vestiges of former glory but occluded by pragmatism.
@@PathLessPedaledTVDadpool??? Around here (Dallad TX) most Dads seem to prefer BMX cruisers 😉
First hi
I'm beginning to think this entire gravel bike thing is complete BS. Find an old steel rigid Specialized Stumpjumper and replace the components as needed and save a bundle. I had the chance but unfortunately let it pass. The bike industry is f'ed in the head.
I agree. Old Stumpjumper or one of the old TREK steel bikes like the 520/620/720.