@@patrickc3419 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” 1 Samuel 16:7 NIV Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers Psalms 1:1 NIV
Misrepresentation is a huge hurdle when arguing with an atheist. Some are willfully more dense than others. It is important when being genuine to understand precisely the view of your opponent, otherwise we are no longer arguing with the man across from you but a straw one.
And Jesus also prevented His disciples before His death from sacrificing their lives to protect His, oh what love and grace from the Good Shepherd Jesus the Lord and Savior!
_”And Jesus also prevented His disciples before His death from sacrificing their lives to protect His, oh what love and grace from the Good Shepherd Jesus the Lord and Savior!”_ Is your implication that he was damning them? Are you presenting this possibility seriously and in good faith?
You know he's heard these things a hundred times. So how can he repeatedly misunderstand and misrepresent it? Could it be because he's the kid in the class who thinks he smarter than he really is?
Man I was thinking the same thing. I think the guy may actually be saved and really understand salvation, but he’s just acting out for attention. Just my 2 cents though.
To be quite honest, I've felt like Abe Piper at times and can resonate with him. I think at the root of it is a gross misunderstanding and misbelief of the Good News of Jesus and His complete work. The implication of the preaching and overall environment in most churches is that if you're a decent guy and "try" to live a good life, God is pleased with you, things go well for you, people in the church esteem and elevate you as someone pious and righteous, BUT once you commit some unthinkable sin, like get angry, or proud, or god forbid some sexual sin, then God (and his people) turns His back on you, until you prove to be a decent guy again.. Abe may have felt that growing up, perhaps a misrepresented God that demands perfection, and gets what He demands in the perfect life of Christ, however what Abe observed among christians is the lowering of the perfect standard of God's law, while few pious that achieve that "lowered" standard of God's law, they turn out to be jerks and hypocrites and far removed from the concept of Grace.
His father understands free grace better than almost anyone. He’s the one, for instance, who welcomed a recurrence of cancer because he had developed a habit of self-reliance. So I don’t think it’s fair suggest Abraham hasn’t heard you can’t work yourself into salvation.
@G D It’s good news to those who know they’re perishing. Without Jesus, we are in shackles to sin and death. It’s Jesus who redeemed us of our sins and freed us from the death that awaits us. You offer some questions that maybe cause you doubt, and I might be able to answer them. But ultimately, I don’t know how to make you want life or how to make you want to be forgiven, but Christ freely offers you both of those things… because he loves you truly. And to those who desperately want forgiveness and life, that is incredibly good news. If you want me to answer questions, I’ll try my best. God bless you, man.
I appreciate this response. Piper in many ways saved my life. However I don't know how I would handle being his son. Who he is as a preacher and as a father are two different things. Let's have compassion on our "enemies".
Abraham seems to have missed the point that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Do not fear the one who can destroy the body but can do no more. Fear the one who can destroy both body and soul.
@@untoldhistory2800 I read it. Great verses even starting at 14. I hope it applies to me and my son. It’s a wonderful promise to israel. Thank you for your encouragement!
God cannot save against the free will Abraham Piper chooses to exercise in rejecting Him. I also don’t believe that is the direction for our prayers to go, as we are in essence praying for God to go against His own character, it’s simply impossible while making an idol of the life of a man. Best be, I believe, biblically speaking, we pray that God use all circumstances (which I trust and believe He most probably already is) to steer Abraham (and so also your son) to truth, removing the adversaries deceit, but also poiting to the wickedness of our own hearts. I pray for your heart Pamela, may you see the thirsts of your sons heart, and may you be guided by the wisdom of the Word through the power of the Holy Spirit. My heart breaks for your situation 🙏
I understand what Doug wants to say at 1:26 - 1:42 (i.e. one can not earn his own salvation apart from Christ). But I still want to point out this to those who don't know much about the scripture: Striving to find god is good e.g. Hebrews 11:6 Without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to him, for he who comes to God must believe that he exists, and that he is a rewarder of those who seek him. So if you are a seeker for God, continue. It will be rewarded.
No, he knows his audience isn't gonna do any research or think these things through. It's easy to be an internet atheist influencer if you just know how to speak confidently and sound like you know what you're talking about. They're just looking for someone to confirm their biases so they can attempt to justify what they desperately want to believe.
Nooooooo way, I could never see him doing something like that. As wrong and as lost as Christopher Hitchens was, I will give credit where credit is due; he at least would do debates, and, generally, would hear out the opposing side. From what I understand, he and Wilson actually got along very good during the filming of “Collision” and were civil and friendly to one another.
There is no point in a debate when only one of the participants uses “Scriptures says…” as the foundation of an argument. A debate requires an agreed upon definition of terms. “The Bible says” means something to you people that it does not mean to anyone else. There is no debate. There’s one man using scripture to validate his personal beliefs as if they’re universal truths, and another man who does not share the same beliefs, saying “I don’t care what the Bible says.” No debate. No argument.
@@freedomstream1506 I agree with you that with two individuals who are polar opposite on such a topic, they’re at a standstill. The point though isn’t to put God on the defense; that is unbiblical and unnecessary. He is the Judge, we’re not. That’s why I’m far more of a presuppositionist and not an apologist.
I was hurt by a past church as well, prior to being led to the one where we now worship, but that’s no excuse for the rage he has against the God he knows exists.
@@lucaspoles2510 Well, he’s angry because he hates God. Suppressing the truth in his heart in unrighteousness. Jesus never sinned in asking “why have You forsaken me”
He was like this as a kid, too, and it's dispositional and arrogant minded. Because he was arrogant he didn't listen and assumed meanings that are irrational and baseless. Because of his arrogance he assumes everyone believed ludicrous things and that he had to just go along because it was "right." Instead of thinking, "this is ludicrous; maybe I misunderstand," he thinks, "this is ludicrous, so all those people are dumb," even though none of those people believed the ludicrous thing Abraham supposed. He just was and is too arrogant to actually think.
He may actually be close to a point of deep contrition. I don’t tictock so I’m not sure what else he’s put out there recently. It appears he’s realizing the low value of our fleshly existence. Pray for him.
@Groobs I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’ve seen a few cases myself included where that pride and arrogance is like a cheap birthday balloon. It’s filled with an exhaust gas of hurt and conviction of sin that’s hidden behind a bright plastic orange color. Eventually it pops leaving nowhere for that excess shame and guilt to hide.
@@gerritcain210 it’s like a person with low self esteem who over compensates with grandiose behavior with a big ego. It’s fragile. That was the first analogy I could think of
I used to ticktock but I've since identified as a digital clock. Sorry. I don't know if he intentionally misquotes or removes the context with intent or if he is very confused. "Pray for him." Yes. And his dad. And one another.
I came over here from an atheist facebook group where someone mentioned Abraham Piper. I'm a former believer and I consider myself an agnostic who doubts the existence of the Judeo-Christian or Islamic God. By some definitions, that makes me an atheist; by others it doesn't. Whoever Abraham Piper is, he certainly seems like a goofy guy in this video, but I feel like he has something good that many commenters here might be missing, and certainly are not seeing in him. In my experience, when one allows themself room to doubt their indoctrinated beliefs, and to question things and think about other possibilities, for lack of a more philosophical way of saying it, it feels free; it feels great. It brings happiness. That's true in my case anyhow. I feel like maybe Piper enjoys that too. On the other hand, the comments left here that express fear for, disdain of, or mockery of Piper make it feel like I'm listening to a household of children who have a very toxic, abusive parent. Everyone's walking on eggshells, afraid to do or say something that might upset the parent and invalidate their whole existence and get them cast into a dark, scary eternity outside the house. And brother Abraham here is casually going about his day not obeying the long list of specific rules posted on the kitchen wall, so everyone's trying to warn, hush, mock or distance themself from him. Maybe my perspective is flawed somehow, but that's my honest take on this. Wherever Piper is going (evidence for an afterlife is another question), I think it sounds more free and healthy than where I was indoctrinated to want to go. Not sure I'd ever do a man-bun like Piper's, but I wish I had enough hair to have the option. :)
Wow, your comment is a refreshing respite from the wall of harsh judgment elsewhere in this thread. Thank you for so eloquently stating your observations. Very closely aligns with my own view, except that I have watched many of Abraham's other videos, and they seem to confirm that wherever he is headed, it seems an awful lot more interesting and life-affirming than most of the others here
Hey Doug from one Christian to another I really believe if you respect and love John Piper that you should really stop doing this. The hurt and pain that he must be going through regarding his son can only be exacerbated by what you're doing here and I can't really see that it serves any purpose other than to highlight and let the world know that Dr. Piper has a wayward and apostate child. If this was your son would you like Dr. Piper to do to him what you're doing to Abraham?
Rebellion is in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him. Rebellion to God and parents is a very foolish thing. God is angry with the wicked every day! It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God. Piper junior if you read this, my advice is what Scripture says with urgency. "Seek the Lord while he may be found". Repent of your lunacy!
"For my sake" lose life. Not "lose life" for some ephemeral reason, or for yourself, or whatever. Abe Baby obviously omitted that part on purpose. I guess everyone else saw that as an obvious given. But, it's remarkable. The fact remains, Abe Baby isn't even quoting the Bible. He's quoting himself, and representing it as Scripture. Hmmm. Something about "whoever adds or subtracts from this book" being a dangerous behavior comes to mind....
Alright all this derogatory talk about his looks needs to stop. Abraham is made in the image of God and you all need to start acting like it. Bro imagine if Jesus judged people based on looks… I would be going to hell.
Hating your life doesn't mean you're depressed.. If you were in class and you hated being in class, but afterward you were going to disneyland, you would be STOKED. Even if right now is completely terrible, you have great hope.
@@jhails112 ‘What? Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil’? Job 2:10 Much easier said than done, no doubt. I remember how badly I failed my wife in anger and hurt when we lost 3 babies through miscarriages.
I don't understand. Why should I care? I mean he needs prayer but, is he popular? I know he's a pastor's son. Perhaps he needed more attention in his youth. Can we move on yet?
You know what i wish i could see is for Abraham and doug to have a sit down discussion respectfully and i think they could .. i wonder has either made the offer ?
““Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.” Luke 13:24. Why do Christians make striving out to be such a bad thing when the Lord Jesus tells us to strive to stay on the narrow path? You say that “the more you peddle, the more salvation escapes you.” What about where the apostle Paul said “No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.” 1 Corinthians 9:27 Also, “Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.” Hebrews 12:14.
Because many make an idol out of their theology, to the disregard of Holy Writ. I used to be in this camp. Only Jesus himself and his words can rescue from this. Thank you for your post. (Amen)
Interesting that Doug feels like he has any moral authority to speak as one with authority on these matters. No matter whether he is right or wrong. Might want to clean up his own house first.
The heart of God is grieved by this ... I am reminded of the scenes in C.S. Lewis' book, The Great Divorce. It is as if Doug Wilson is the heavenly spirit sent to try to persuade Abraham Piper to go on toward the sunrise, and not to return to hell.
I’ve talked with people like this and what I find is they’re always trying to get you to give them an answer you can’t give because it doesn’t exist. Biblically that is, eg who made God? No one, He has always existed, He’s eternal, yeah but if He exists who made Him? 😫
I feel for John Piper. It is one thing to have a lost child or a child that is not walking with the Lord. but it is a whole different thing when you have one that is on social media and talking so badly about our Bible, our savior and those of us who love the Lord and His word.
Salvation is all about your cognitive mindset according to Christians. Ultimately your salvation has nothing to do with what you actually do. They try to say that your fruit is the evidence, but they can’t have it both ways.
I just watched this video and I didn't hear it explained in a manner that lets me know how Piper was getting it wrong. I am going to watch again, maybe i missed it.
Comment section is the best. My favorite is the chastising christian Pharisee who reads one comment and believes it is their responsibility to judge an entire life and spiritual journey of that individual. All the while proving they have foot in mouth head up ass syndrome. If anything these videos expose two sides of the same coin. Love these videos. Keep up the great work Doug.
Abraham's biggest problem is that a core component of knowing truth is the will/desire to know it, and not resistance or animosity to it. Watching Abraham Piper is like reading Nietzsche's The Will to Power.
Dulcet ~ You're right that he needs our prayers, and that he is in pain. l believe that this apostated man will be truly saved one day, as he has ALL the info he needs. lt would not be good if he didnt make it because he is more responsible with that info. Please Lord saved Abraham from the eternal punishment, and call him back to you ~ Amen.
Are you picking on Abraham because Barnabas makes fun of you on his podcast? Definitely a way to dig at the senior Piper but I bet the ribbing you get on the Happy Rant is also a clear motivation for this “series.”
I wonder how John Piper feels knowing that God has determined that his Son is lost and leading millions of others astray. If Calvinism is true of course.
Spoken with a smile I'm not sure if your words are meant to be understood just as they written or if you are baiting Calvinists. There's a lot of trolling on the www. I'm not making a judgement on your intent except to accept your words at face value. Without inflection in dialogue I'm overly verbose to avoid misunderstanding as you may see. I've wondered the same thing and have seen pastors' children run from the God of Grace and act the fool. There's my preamble. I think a full on 5 pointer or an Arminian would feel about the same. At least the Calvinist is willing to accept God's sovereignty in the outward effects of his son's actions. God named Abram and his descendants as His chosen and also chose Pharaoh and Judas to do what they did. As a father I don't think I'd be particularly happy with that even if I maintained peace about it. To live with the thought your child is a reprobate must lead to more prayer and dependance on the Father. Grace and peace.
A better interpretation of Piper's interpretation is those who believe they can save themselves will not be saved and those who believe they cannot save themselves will be saved, how can someone unironically scoff at a religion and then get it so right without even realize they got the interpretation
Kind of wish he would’ve given a little context of why Jesus said what He said. So if he would’ve actually studied what Jesus meant by saying “if you try to save your life you will lose it, but if you lose your life for Me you will find it” and you must hate your life in order to be a disciple of Jesus.” So basically when you understand the context and the place and times He was saying this, which pretty much meant that if you denied Jesus “who is eternal life/God”the Son”” to try and save your life, since during back then and several parts in the world even today could mean that you will most definitely be beaten/jailed or death by believing in Jesus as your Lord and Savior. So if you deny Christ then Christ says He will deny you in the judgement in the presence of the Father and the angels and then you would go to hell because you denied the one who his eternal life and therefore you don’t have eternal life which again is hell because you you denied Him. So it would be better to hate your life “deny yourself/deny the comforts of this world/life” here on earth and possibly die for Christ “martyr” and receive God/eternal life in paradise/Heaven/an eternal weight of glory. Again to deny Christ means that you deny eternal life in paradise with God Almighty. So in that sense it is better to deny yourself or “hate” yourself then deny Christ. By “hate yourself” it doesn’t mean that you beat yourself up because you are to destroy yourself for hating yourself. It just means to deny yourself and live for Christ who is eternal life! I pray you live for Christ who saved us!
"Now the trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed."
--C.S. Lewis, The Magician's Nephew
Insults don't make a god exist without evidence.
@@TeethToothman You do realize that evidence has nothing to do with rather something actually exists, right?
At only 41 years old Abraham appears to suffer from some type of advanced premature aging.
What do you mean?
I agree. He looks like he’s in his early 50s.
Sin has a way of affecting someone’s appearance, over time. In the eyes, mostly.
@@patrickc3419
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
1 Samuel 16:7 NIV
Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers
Psalms 1:1 NIV
Don’t smoke kids.
I'm not sure what his appearance has to do with anything...I wonder what Jesus would have had to say about your comment?
Misrepresentation is a huge hurdle when arguing with an atheist. Some are willfully more dense than others. It is important when being genuine to understand precisely the view of your opponent, otherwise we are no longer arguing with the man across from you but a straw one.
well said.
Someone who had to suffer having John Piper as a father deserves the freedom to be cheeky with the Bible.
Abe is the walking, talking (or blabbering?) definition of that adage about the two principles of atheism:
1.) God doesn’t exist
2.) And I hate him
😂😂😂😂👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Lots of people hate Rey from Star Wars, doesn't mean they think she exists.
@@tomasrocha6139 She exists as a character.
@@123duelist Just like YHWH
@@tomasrocha6139 No, Yahweh exists as a God.
What Jesus actually said was "whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." Anything sounds dumb when you misquote it.
And Jesus also prevented His disciples before His death from sacrificing their lives to protect His, oh what love and grace from the Good Shepherd Jesus the Lord and Savior!
_”And Jesus also prevented His disciples before His death from sacrificing their lives to protect His, oh what love and grace from the Good Shepherd Jesus the Lord and Savior!”_
Is your implication that he was damning them? Are you presenting this possibility seriously and in good faith?
I think Doug was made for this kind of content.
You’re absolutely correct. I’m not sure that’s a compliment but I wholeheartedly agree.
You know he's heard these things a hundred times. So how can he repeatedly misunderstand and misrepresent it?
Could it be because he's the kid in the class who thinks he smarter than he really is?
No. I think he really has some issue with his dad and that is why he is rebelling so hard.
No he's trying to discredit Christ.
@@paulwiederhold7629 Agreed.
@@Odo-so8pj Pastor/preacher John Piper is Abraham Piper's dad. I think Abraham is having some issue (pastor's kid rebellion) with his dad - not Jesus
@@paulwiederhold7629 the funny thing is, it's Jesus he's rebelling against......
I love, love, LOVE these Dr. Wilson! So glad you're still covering it.
Edit- I say schedule a debate!
@Derek Hall I know. Here's to dreaming!
This is one of the most childish lines of reasoning I’ve ever heard. He’s a hurt little boy in a grown man’s body.
The weird thing is we know he wasn’t under dumbed down teaching.
geoffrobinson true.
This comes across as a guy with daddy issues. The reasoning is so bad it is on troll level.
theocratickingdom30 absolutely
I don’t understand why pounding on an apostate prodigal who’s father must be in great pain is edifying?
These are great. Lord, save Abraham Piper for your glory.
I wonder if his internal struggle with his eternal destiny is manifesting externally. That dude looks BEAT!
Man I was thinking the same thing. I think the guy may actually be saved and really understand salvation, but he’s just acting out for attention. Just my 2 cents though.
@@MrC_XVI no if you deny Christ than the Father will deny you.
If he doesn't abide in Christ , Christ is not in him.
I can’t tell what age he is. Is he young or old?
@@BrokTheLoneWolf He's 39 years old.
@Brok Homz Seriously! It’s not a good look whatever’s going on
To be quite honest, I've felt like Abe Piper at times and can resonate with him. I think at the root of it is a gross misunderstanding and misbelief of the Good News of Jesus and His complete work. The implication of the preaching and overall environment in most churches is that if you're a decent guy and "try" to live a good life, God is pleased with you, things go well for you, people in the church esteem and elevate you as someone pious and righteous, BUT once you commit some unthinkable sin, like get angry, or proud, or god forbid some sexual sin, then God (and his people) turns His back on you, until you prove to be a decent guy again.. Abe may have felt that growing up, perhaps a misrepresented God that demands perfection, and gets what He demands in the perfect life of Christ, however what Abe observed among christians is the lowering of the perfect standard of God's law, while few pious that achieve that "lowered" standard of God's law, they turn out to be jerks and hypocrites and far removed from the concept of Grace.
Amen. That’s a good analysis of a lot of church culture. And a lot of these commenters aren’t doing anything to prove that conception wrong.
His father understands free grace better than almost anyone. He’s the one, for instance, who welcomed a recurrence of cancer because he had developed a habit of self-reliance. So I don’t think it’s fair suggest Abraham hasn’t heard you can’t work yourself into salvation.
@G D It’s good news to those who know they’re perishing. Without Jesus, we are in shackles to sin and death. It’s Jesus who redeemed us of our sins and freed us from the death that awaits us. You offer some questions that maybe cause you doubt, and I might be able to answer them. But ultimately, I don’t know how to make you want life or how to make you want to be forgiven, but Christ freely offers you both of those things… because he loves you truly. And to those who desperately want forgiveness and life, that is incredibly good news.
If you want me to answer questions, I’ll try my best. God bless you, man.
I appreciate this response. Piper in many ways saved my life. However I don't know how I would handle being his son. Who he is as a preacher and as a father are two different things. Let's have compassion on our "enemies".
Abraham seems to have missed the point that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Do not fear the one who can destroy the body but can do no more. Fear the one who can destroy both body and soul.
I have a son who grieves my heart. I feel for John Piper. May the Lord graciously save both these sons!
Amen Pamela, I will join you in praying for your son.
I understand Pamela! My son is coming around it seems, but he’s still immature. It’s hard for us moms and dads!
Hi Pamela, God is faithful and He will keep His promise. Read out loud everyday Isaiah 49:24,25 God will do what He has promised you. 🙏🏼
@@untoldhistory2800 I read it. Great verses even starting at 14. I hope it applies to me and my son. It’s a wonderful promise to israel. Thank you for your encouragement!
God cannot save against the free will Abraham Piper chooses to exercise in rejecting Him. I also don’t believe that is the direction for our prayers to go, as we are in essence praying for God to go against His own character, it’s simply impossible while making an idol of the life of a man. Best be, I believe, biblically speaking, we pray that God use all circumstances (which I trust and believe He most probably already is) to steer Abraham (and so also your son) to truth, removing the adversaries deceit, but also poiting to the wickedness of our own hearts. I pray for your heart Pamela, may you see the thirsts of your sons heart, and may you be guided by the wisdom of the Word through the power of the Holy Spirit. My heart breaks for your situation 🙏
I like to imagine the day when Abraham waves the white flag and stops fighting God…. Victory in Jesus!
I understand what Doug wants to say at 1:26 - 1:42 (i.e. one can not earn his own salvation apart from Christ).
But I still want to point out this to those who don't know much about the scripture: Striving to find god is good e.g. Hebrews 11:6 Without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to him, for he who comes to God must believe that he exists, and that he is a rewarder of those who seek him.
So if you are a seeker for God, continue. It will be rewarded.
Enjoying these responses. Any attempt to get him on the podcast? I would imagine he wouldn’t dare get in the ring and play it safe on tictoc instead.
You want to start a fundraiser to make it happen.. I throw 5 dollars on that 😁
No, he knows his audience isn't gonna do any research or think these things through. It's easy to be an internet atheist influencer if you just know how to speak confidently and sound like you know what you're talking about. They're just looking for someone to confirm their biases so they can attempt to justify what they desperately want to believe.
Nooooooo way, I could never see him doing something like that.
As wrong and as lost as Christopher Hitchens was, I will give credit where credit is due; he at least would do debates, and, generally, would hear out the opposing side. From what I understand, he and Wilson actually got along very good during the filming of “Collision” and were civil and friendly to one another.
There is no point in a debate when only one of the participants uses “Scriptures says…” as the foundation of an argument. A debate requires an agreed upon definition of terms. “The Bible says” means something to you people that it does not mean to anyone else. There is no debate. There’s one man using scripture to validate his personal beliefs as if they’re universal truths, and another man who does not share the same beliefs, saying “I don’t care what the Bible says.” No debate. No argument.
@@freedomstream1506 I agree with you that with two individuals who are polar opposite on such a topic, they’re at a standstill. The point though isn’t to put God on the defense; that is unbiblical and unnecessary. He is the Judge, we’re not. That’s why I’m far more of a presuppositionist and not an apologist.
I sense possible church hurt. ❤️ forgiveness. As some one who struggles with this myself.
I was hurt by a past church as well, prior to being led to the one where we now worship, but that’s no excuse for the rage he has against the God he knows exists.
@@patrickc3419 He's angry, what do you suppose he does with that anger? How is that any different from Jesus saying, "God, why have you forsaken me?"
@@lucaspoles2510 Well, he’s angry because he hates God. Suppressing the truth in his heart in unrighteousness. Jesus never sinned in asking “why have You forsaken me”
He was like this as a kid, too, and it's dispositional and arrogant minded. Because he was arrogant he didn't listen and assumed meanings that are irrational and baseless. Because of his arrogance he assumes everyone believed ludicrous things and that he had to just go along because it was "right." Instead of thinking, "this is ludicrous; maybe I misunderstand," he thinks, "this is ludicrous, so all those people are dumb," even though none of those people believed the ludicrous thing Abraham supposed. He just was and is too arrogant to actually think.
"Strive to enter at the straight gate, for narrow is the way that leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." -- Jesus
Amen! Salvation is all of grace 😍🙏
Salvation from your god's anger at people exercising the free will that he gave them.
He may actually be close to a point of deep contrition. I don’t tictock so I’m not sure what else he’s put out there recently. It appears he’s realizing the low value of our fleshly existence. Pray for him.
@Groobs I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’ve seen a few cases myself included where that pride and arrogance is like a cheap birthday balloon. It’s filled with an exhaust gas of hurt and conviction of sin that’s hidden behind a bright plastic orange color. Eventually it pops leaving nowhere for that excess shame and guilt to hide.
@@gerritcain210 it’s like a person with low self esteem who over compensates with grandiose behavior with a big ego. It’s fragile. That was the first analogy I could think of
I used to ticktock but I've since identified as a digital clock. Sorry. I don't know if he intentionally misquotes or removes the context with intent or if he is very confused. "Pray for him." Yes. And his dad. And one another.
@@gerritcain210 I see way more pride and arrogance in this comment section than in Abraham's video.
Why does this gray-haired guy act like a 12 year old middle schooler?
Religion has been reduced to entertainment.
@@bradspitt3896 It's been entertainment for a long time. Paul talked about this
@@lkae4 Neil Postman I think makes it clear for a modern lens.
@@bradspitt3896 I say away from woke speak of lenses and junk like that. But thanks.
@@bradspitt3896 And I'll take Biblical over trendy any day. Trends are inherently worthless in the long run.
I came over here from an atheist facebook group where someone mentioned Abraham Piper. I'm a former believer and I consider myself an agnostic who doubts the existence of the Judeo-Christian or Islamic God. By some definitions, that makes me an atheist; by others it doesn't. Whoever Abraham Piper is, he certainly seems like a goofy guy in this video, but I feel like he has something good that many commenters here might be missing, and certainly are not seeing in him. In my experience, when one allows themself room to doubt their indoctrinated beliefs, and to question things and think about other possibilities, for lack of a more philosophical way of saying it, it feels free; it feels great. It brings happiness. That's true in my case anyhow. I feel like maybe Piper enjoys that too. On the other hand, the comments left here that express fear for, disdain of, or mockery of Piper make it feel like I'm listening to a household of children who have a very toxic, abusive parent. Everyone's walking on eggshells, afraid to do or say something that might upset the parent and invalidate their whole existence and get them cast into a dark, scary eternity outside the house. And brother Abraham here is casually going about his day not obeying the long list of specific rules posted on the kitchen wall, so everyone's trying to warn, hush, mock or distance themself from him. Maybe my perspective is flawed somehow, but that's my honest take on this. Wherever Piper is going (evidence for an afterlife is another question), I think it sounds more free and healthy than where I was indoctrinated to want to go. Not sure I'd ever do a man-bun like Piper's, but I wish I had enough hair to have the option. :)
Wow, your comment is a refreshing respite from the wall of harsh judgment elsewhere in this thread. Thank you for so eloquently stating your observations. Very closely aligns with my own view, except that I have watched many of Abraham's other videos, and they seem to confirm that wherever he is headed, it seems an awful lot more interesting and life-affirming than most of the others here
@@killiemon Thanks Joel, there are plenty of us who get where he's at. So glad to be out of the faith mindf**k, er mindset. ;)
Abraham looks like he has aged decades in the past few years. Rebellion definitely does not pay, folks.
By your stupid statement, everyone in church who looks old and wrinkly must be rebelling against God. 🙄
@@imagomonkei
"So you are saying..."
😂😂😂
Luk 13:24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
... these are Jesus's words.
AMEN. I just posted the same verse above... then scrolled down and see your comment. Blessings.
Canon Press is delusional, Abraham Piper is in reality keeping it real.
Hey Doug from one Christian to another I really believe if you respect and love John Piper that you should really stop doing this. The hurt and pain that he must be going through regarding his son can only be exacerbated by what you're doing here and I can't really see that it serves any purpose other than to highlight and let the world know that Dr. Piper has a wayward and apostate child.
If this was your son would you like Dr. Piper to do to him what you're doing to Abraham?
I'm still not sure why Doug is upset for Abraham Piper being determined by a sovereign God to be an athiest who has not been drawn by the Spirit.
A souverign God acts by means, which he has determined. The main mean is preaching the word through men! Read Romans 10,17.
@@markusw.2690 Calvinism teaches that God has determined outcomes, including predestining people to hell. This is unbiblical. Read John 3:16.
Methinks he doth protest too much. Who is "striving" at a gnat to belabor this tired argument? Poor Abraham.
Rebellion is in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him. Rebellion to God and parents is a very foolish thing. God is angry with the wicked every day! It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God. Piper junior if you read this, my advice is what Scripture says with urgency. "Seek the Lord while he may be found".
Repent of your lunacy!
Good teachers don't save you, good parents don't save you: Jesus does.
Religion and rules without relationship lead to rebellion.
"For my sake" lose life. Not "lose life" for some ephemeral reason, or for yourself, or whatever. Abe Baby obviously omitted that part on purpose. I guess everyone else saw that as an obvious given. But, it's remarkable. The fact remains, Abe Baby isn't even quoting the Bible. He's quoting himself, and representing it as Scripture. Hmmm. Something about "whoever adds or subtracts from this book" being a dangerous behavior comes to mind....
Praise God. Salvation is all of grace, including non believers. Jesus said so.
Mt. 28:31
Mk. 3:28
Actually, Jesus sad, "Whovever loses his life FOR MY SAKE will keep it."
He misquoted Jesus to begin with.
I actually think Doug Wilson doesn't get it.
Anyone know what happened to the crosspolitic channel? No videos at all.
Alright all this derogatory talk about his looks needs to stop. Abraham is made in the image of God and you all need to start acting like it. Bro imagine if Jesus judged people based on looks… I would be going to hell.
Lots of the greatest theologians and philosophers were depressed in life.
Abraham Piper = Pauly Gordon-Levitt Shore.
Hating your life doesn't mean you're depressed.. If you were in class and you hated being in class, but afterward you were going to disneyland, you would be STOKED. Even if right now is completely terrible, you have great hope.
Is this the same guy who shared about the still born death of his daughter? That you can get over it.
I didn’t hear that. I’ve never heard any mention of his own family beside his father & mother.
Yes. Felicity Piper was stillborn 9.23.07 to Abraham and Molly Piper.
@@jhails112 ‘What? Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil’?
Job 2:10
Much easier said than done, no doubt. I remember how badly I failed my wife in anger and hurt when we lost 3 babies through miscarriages.
Why does Abraham look like an old grandmother?
I don't understand. Why should I care? I mean he needs prayer but, is he popular? I know he's a pastor's son. Perhaps he needed more attention in his youth. Can we move on yet?
You know what i wish i could see is for Abraham and doug to have a sit down discussion respectfully and i think they could .. i wonder has either made the offer ?
““Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.” Luke 13:24. Why do Christians make striving out to be such a bad thing when the Lord Jesus tells us to strive to stay on the narrow path?
You say that “the more you peddle, the more salvation escapes you.” What about where the apostle Paul said “No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.” 1 Corinthians 9:27
Also, “Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.” Hebrews 12:14.
Because many make an idol out of their theology, to the disregard of Holy Writ.
I used to be in this camp. Only Jesus himself and his words can rescue from this.
Thank you for your post. (Amen)
Apparently, the “A” actually stands for “Anathema.”
i get what pipers saying, but when i got to the end of myself, i had to realize i had put faith in the man of God instead of the God of man.
Interesting that Doug feels like he has any moral authority to speak as one with authority on these matters. No matter whether he is right or wrong. Might want to clean up his own house first.
The heart of God is grieved by this ... I am reminded of the scenes in C.S. Lewis' book, The Great Divorce. It is as if Doug Wilson is the heavenly spirit sent to try to persuade Abraham Piper to go on toward the sunrise, and not to return to hell.
Now you've said it I can't unsee it! He could be in that very scene after they get off the bus.
Why does Abraham Piper look like he's 75 years old?
I’ve talked with people like this and what I find is they’re always trying to get you to give them an answer you can’t give because it doesn’t exist.
Biblically that is, eg who made God?
No one, He has always existed, He’s eternal, yeah but if He exists who made Him? 😫
I love Abraham. He doesn’t get everything right but he’s doing a lot better than all you folks
Abraham needs to brush up on his arguments. They are as weak as the watered down Kool-Aid that he's been drinking.
Isaiah 49:24, 25 is the will of God. His word is the assurance
Are preachers supposed to have believing children? If so, has his dad stopped? I have no idea.
Those are spiritual statements. Abraham is playing with fire.
old Abe's looking more and more like an angry old woman.
Abe piper looks like a 60-year-old woman in the thumbnail.
Obtusely refusing???hmmm
Predestined to do what God wills. Be consistent Doug.
And you refuse to stop having free content out of young Piper 😂
Doug is trying to warn others to not follow a destruction of their soul.
Doug is a watchman on the wall. Look it up.
@@rena3654 there's this thing called "The Holly Bible", it has plenty of warnings
Always new people to give old warnings to.
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What is his father like? serious question
Abe ought to end his tantrums and just on with his life.
Maybe Abraham Piper was predestined for hell?
I feel for John Piper. It is one thing to have a lost child or a child that is not walking with the Lord. but it is a whole different thing when you have one that is on social media and talking so badly about our Bible, our savior and those of us who love the Lord and His word.
He is certainly right that he is the annoying kid in class
Salvation is all about your cognitive mindset according to Christians. Ultimately your salvation has nothing to do with what you actually do. They try to say that your fruit is the evidence, but they can’t have it both ways.
Hating your human falleness is actually freedom he knows what Jesus meant when he said your life
Abraham Piper GETS IT........HE IS LAUGHING AT THE LOT OF YOU
Was never a fan of Piper. Now I feel justified
This is more like potatoes and rhubarbs than low-hanging fruit.
I just watched this video and I didn't hear it explained in a manner that lets me know how Piper was getting it wrong. I am going to watch again, maybe i missed it.
bruh he's like 48 and acts like he's 8
Comment section is the best. My favorite is the chastising christian Pharisee who reads one comment and believes it is their responsibility to judge an entire life and spiritual journey of that individual. All the while proving they have foot in mouth head up ass syndrome. If anything these videos expose two sides of the same coin. Love these videos. Keep up the great work Doug.
That's a nice #rekt-moment at the end.
Glad I found your channel
1:16 Abraham is the dense kid.
1:24 Abraham is completely right.
Hm.
Abraham's biggest problem is that a core component of knowing truth is the will/desire to know it, and not resistance or animosity to it. Watching Abraham Piper is like reading Nietzsche's The Will to Power.
That last line nailed it. That man is in pain. He needs our prayers. Imagine what an impact his coming to Christ would be.
Dulcet ~ You're right that he needs our prayers, and that he is in pain. l believe that this apostated man will be truly saved one day, as he has ALL the info he needs. lt would not be good if he didnt make it because he is more responsible with that info. Please Lord saved Abraham from the eternal punishment, and call him back to you ~ Amen.
@G D Thank you!
Who is this piper guy anyway?
Are you picking on Abraham because Barnabas makes fun of you on his podcast? Definitely a way to dig at the senior Piper but I bet the ribbing you get on the Happy Rant is also a clear motivation for this “series.”
I wonder how John Piper feels knowing that God has determined that his Son is lost and leading millions of others astray. If Calvinism is true of course.
Spoken with a smile I'm not sure if your words are meant to be understood just as they written or if you are baiting Calvinists. There's a lot of trolling on the www. I'm not making a judgement on your intent except to accept your words at face value. Without inflection in dialogue I'm overly verbose to avoid misunderstanding as you may see. I've wondered the same thing and have seen pastors' children run from the God of Grace and act the fool. There's my preamble.
I think a full on 5 pointer or an Arminian would feel about the same. At least the Calvinist is willing to accept God's sovereignty in the outward effects of his son's actions. God named Abram and his descendants as His chosen and also chose Pharaoh and Judas to do what they did. As a father I don't think I'd be particularly happy with that even if I maintained peace about it. To live with the thought your child is a reprobate must lead to more prayer and dependance on the Father.
Grace and peace.
It’s not
Abraham Piper is the most bitter man I have ever seen
Abraham Piper is right on.
Abraham Piper overestimates his cleverness.
He does but he’s still right about a lot of things. Certainly more than you can ignore
Why so worried? The almighty has this. Frightened little humans.
This must break Dr. Piper's heart. Pray for him brethren.
Why answer a fool??
A better interpretation of Piper's interpretation is those who believe they can save themselves will not be saved and those who believe they cannot save themselves will be saved, how can someone unironically scoff at a religion and then get it so right without even realize they got the interpretation
Not depressed, Stoic sadness
Did Piper use the F word?
Kind of wish he would’ve given a little context of why Jesus said what He said. So if he would’ve actually studied what Jesus meant by saying “if you try to save your life you will lose it, but if you lose your life for Me you will find it” and you must hate your life in order to be a disciple of Jesus.” So basically when you understand the context and the place and times He was saying this, which pretty much meant that if you denied Jesus “who is eternal life/God”the Son”” to try and save your life, since during back then and several parts in the world even today could mean that you will most definitely be beaten/jailed or death by believing in Jesus as your Lord and Savior. So if you deny Christ then Christ says He will deny you in the judgement in the presence of the Father and the angels and then you would go to hell because you denied the one who his eternal life and therefore you don’t have eternal life which again is hell because you you denied Him. So it would be better to hate your life “deny yourself/deny the comforts of this world/life” here on earth and possibly die for Christ “martyr” and receive God/eternal life in paradise/Heaven/an eternal weight of glory. Again to deny Christ means that you deny eternal life in paradise with God Almighty. So in that sense it is better to deny yourself or “hate” yourself then deny Christ. By “hate yourself” it doesn’t mean that you beat yourself up because you are to destroy yourself for hating yourself. It just means to deny yourself and live for Christ who is eternal life! I pray you live for Christ who saved us!
Not much of a refutation. Should have went into more depth.
Still proudly flaunting your gelled hair? Shame on you! Next you're gonna tell us you got a tattoo!
Think God is cursing him by turning him into an old grandma 🤯
I wonder what Jesus would have said about your comment?
Wow Abe has gotten old real quick.
What’s happening on the inside is showing very clearly on the outside. Abraham looks unstable because he is without Christ.
I said that the moment I first heard about this lost soul; He looks awful. Apparently he’s 41; I thought he was in his 50s!!
You can't take the quote out of context. Otherwise, it is senseless.
What have you lost Doug Wilson? What have you given up for Jesus?
It's all cute, but what does he actually believe? Just a lot of cynicism and anger
His father taught his son a false Christianity