RESCUING A 1952 FORD 8N TRACTOR FROM A BARN (PART2) CAN WE GET IT RUNNING?
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2021
- THIS IS PART 2 OF FIXING UP THE 1952 FORD 8N TRACTOR WE FOUND IN A BARN, BE SURE TO WATCH PART 1 AND NOW PART 3 THAT JUST CAME OUT!!
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I have watched many videos about tractor restoration and lost interest. You have got me hook, line and sinker into this restoration. I subscribed & clicked notification to your channel and cannot wait for part 3.
I maintain a 1952 Ferguson TO30 which is a work horse and have a late 1950 and 1951 Ford 8N. The late 1950's engine is stuck so who knows what it will need but the 1951 only needs the distributor installed back in time. You are inspiring me to dig into my 8N tractors.
PLEASE do not quit on your Ford 8N tractor!
What a awesome comment!! I should have part 3 out soon I just got the parts in the mail so I’m starting assembly tomm thanks for watching!!
At this point you are in the motor. Replace the oil pump, rod and main bearings, polish the crank. Ensure you mic all the bearing surfaces to get a correct fit. Yes, a pain, but it is what it is. Obviously pull the head and rework it as well. You are here, time to make it right to give you another few decades of service. Good video. Looking forward to seeing it back to work.
You are so correct! I want it to last!!
he ain't capable. just saw ppl making money so he tried it. left the rotor off. confused by disturbing cap. lol. diy youtube education
gotta get rid of the dishwashing gloves. get mechanics gloves
And these are mechanics gloves idiot they are disposable nitrile gloves that many many mechanics wear, and when disassembling a engine it’s nice not to get grease on your hands all the time, after many years of greasy hands sometimes it’s nice not having to wash them constantly
I usually don’t comment on many videos, but I couldn’t help myself. Let me start by saying great video, and it’s your tractor. You do what you think is best. If you wanted to do all this, go for it!! I’m just glad to see folks working on something. It’s a tractor not the space ship. I would have slapped those bearings back in, replaced the pump and made sure the oil pressure line wasn’t clogged. If it still knocked then I would have done all that.
yes yes yes!!! good gosh you are so correct! one of my fav comments!!
We always pull line off line prime system up some of lose prime screen very important that helps pick tube on oil pump from vibrating that’s what pickup tube get loose on oil pump I work at Ford tractor dealership for about 18 years
I will do that thank you very much
just found your channel the morning I just love these old tractor rebuilds thanks for sharing good luck
That’s awesome thank you for watching if you want check out my other videos on my channel thanks again
I don’t think you knew it at the time but all you had to do with the front end and radiator was disconnect the steering arms, radius arms, radiator hoses, loosen the six center axle bolts, jack up and support the tractor just enough to take the weight off the front end, tie the spindle steering arms to the axle beam to keep them rolling straight and then remove the six bolts and roll away the entire front end with the radiator. Wiring or clamping the steering spindle arms saves a lot of aggravation when working alone. I don’t know if you had the oil pump rebushed but if you do, find a machinist that has the 8n oil pump bushing jig to rebuild it you will be well pleased. I noticed no wire on the main bearing caps? The studs stripped out on mine when I took the oil pump out and I had to have a machine shop make two new precision $tuds as replacements are NLA.
Yeah I figured that out about midway through the process but there was some reason why I did it like this I can’t remember right now but I think it’s because I wanted to grease some of the joints or something anyway thanks for watching
@@TheHomePros6221 The key is locking those steering arms down and then one person can handle the front end. I have two 8Ns I’m working on right now.
Hey Darrell. Just found your channel this morning, and I liked your content. I'm an old guy @ 69, but remember some great days growing up on a farm and my Dad was a tinkerer for sure 👍🇺🇸 Thanks for the videos 👍
Hey Dave thank you for the wonderful comment!! Comments like this mean a lot to me! Hopefully I’ll have this old girl running soon and working around here at my house it’s weird I was watching Andrew Cammarata‘s new video or it might’ve been another video that I saw a comment from you on their channel I’m pretty sure it was you but it’s just weird how the world works haha thanks for watching!!
Good on you for saving an old tractor from the scrap heap. I'm working on a 1948 Ferguson TE20 just for the heck of it. Good retirement project that keeps me out of trouble. And yes, it could easily become a money pit, but you cannot take your cash to the grave. Its the greatest music when these old girls start and run. Like your videos, good fun playing catchup watching the series. TTFN/CDC
man that’s awesome!! sounds so good when they start!!
Thanks for posting n update about the vintage tractor, cant wait to see it put into work hehe.
Thank you so much for watching and commenting! I also can’t wait!! I’m so excited to drive it and do some grading and other stuff with it!
I Have Always wanted a Old Ford 8N or 9N like Watching your RUclips Channel, Keep Up The Great Work My Friend 👍
thank u soo much that really means a lot!
There is a oil pressure valve on the front of motor right below the fan pulley. If it is not working you will not get oil to your bearings. I have 1952 8n that i redone. I also have the book that shows how to rebuild the complete tractor.
Thank you very much!!
you said "i'll need to do a full overhaul... unfortunately." hmmm... unfortunate for you, maybe, but very fortunate for us to be able to watch you do all the things we want to do and learn how! bigtime thanks for this xlnt video series!
lol thank you my friend! be sure to check out the other videos on this tractor! and more to come 😊
@@TheHomePros6221 i subscribed immdiately and won't miss a one on the tractor for sure! very nicely done!
Glad you got it running! Looking forward to part 3!
Thank you I should have it out shortly I’ve just been super buisy
Pull the oil pump relief plunger and spring. Use a oil can to fill it with heavy gear lube. The lube will stick to the gear and start the suction. The service manual will give you the pictures.
Yes I was thinking of this but the damage already looks to have been done 😩
Hi from Australia. Just discovered your channel. I grew up on a farm and recall my Dad, God rest his soul, having all kinds of old tractors and dozers. He did his own repairs and I use to love watching him pull down these old things and I learnt a lot from that that helped me in my adulthood. I have watched a lot of restoration video's on YT and this would have to be one of the best I have come across. I have subscribed and hit notification bell for all content. I will be watching all these parts to see the out come. Any plans for repaint on this?. Keep up the good work. Going to watch your other videos after this one. Cheers.👍
this is probably the nicest comment I’ve ever got!! thank you so much!! I truly appreciate people like you, thanks again my friend!!
When you Gap Rings ,you should push the ring down with the piston to keep the ring Square in the bore
I did off camera
Great job Darrell. Pity about the oil pressure. I know nothing about 8Ns, but some engines are prone to oil pump priming issues if they sit a long time. Had it with a rover v8 a few years so and had to use a special tool to prime it. You're on the right track with your plans though, plus a new pump. Serious jump in subscribers in a very short time, you're on your way!! 👍🙂
Thanks for watching Dave! If I didn’t hear the knock and see the bearing damage then I was thinking of trying to prime the pump but I think the damage has already been done 😩 yes I am happy about the new subs I’ve been very blessed!
Excellent video :) rebuilt engine bottom to top fully then carb also you ve super pleased when fully done !
Thank you very much!! Part 3 will be out soon so stay tuned
I know I'm a little late on this but on the loss of oil pressure a lot of those old tractors if you disturb the oil filter basket you better make sure that you prime it again or you won't get any oil pressure.
thank you for the info!!
When you go to start it again, bleed the oil pressure gauge line to see / check that oil is getting to the gauge. make sure there is no blockage in the line itself.
Yes sir great idea
That looks like so much fun. Get yourself some plastigauge and check tolerance on mains and rod bearings, plastigauge is your friend in a situation like this and it's very easy to use. Look on the back of the old bearings to see if there oversized, most likely they are. I wish you could have done another compression test after the engine ran to see if the rings might have loosened a bit. This all brings back so many old time memories. Thanks for sharing this. Cheers from Jacksonville Florida 🌞
Love the comment micheal
After a rebuild, mains and rods go undersized, not oversized. Undersized bearings fill the additional gap from crankshaft wear/damage being machined away which results in reduced diameters thus the bearings sizes are "under" the original size.
Thanks for posting great content!
Thanks man I appreciate it very much!
Excellent videos really enjoy watching your content. Cheers from Eastern Ontario 🇨🇦 .
Thank you so much!!! That means a lot to me and comments like this are what keep me going!!🙂
Great video!!!!! Make friends with plasta gage. All the old timers know what it is. And it's cheap.
Learn static timing for old motors with points its easy.
I like your use of the American fit all. !!!🙂. The old bore Guages are as good as any if used right. And cheap. If you are working a job I don't see how you have time to do all this. The videos are great to watch and your expertise is good and getting better!!!!
Thanks for the tips! I’ve used plasti gauge numerous times, I couldn’t find it when I did this job ( it was hidden in a toolbox) but thanks for watching!! Check out my other vids if u want
To bad you have to rebuild the motor but it should give you lots of good service after. Great job.
Thanks!! It sucks but I hope I can get it going
Wow! These 8N tractor videos really took of! Congratulations! And 1k +subscribers! Great work.
thank u so much!! I was just watching your channel yesterday
Nice shirts!
Haha thank you!!!!!
the 8n and the 9n are a little like my 51 ferguson but the oil pan was a lot easier to get off still neat old tractor
Yes would be nice if it was easier
Home Pros I am 2yrs, late finding your channel but my Dad always said any bearing play in an oil pump it was bad
Awesome video really enjoyed it
Thank you
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As long as the pans off I would replace the oil pump, save some time and effort later on.
I did my friend, check out my other vids if u want to check it out 🙂
New oil gauge may be air locked. Crack it, let air out. See if pumping
It was cracked and rusted check out my other parts to the video they are worth watching 🙂
Since your this deep, I'd replace the pump. I have a 48 8n that's doing the same exact thing and I too replaced the pressure gauge. So. Next summer I get to play the same game here
Dang that stinks
@@TheHomePros6221 engine is probably tired and needs rebuilt.
Hopefully it’s not to bad, but if it’s knocking like mine odds probably aren’t good ☹️ But you never know until you really start opening the engine up. Best of luck with it!
@@TheHomePros6221 SURPRISINGLY is not knocking. I try not to run it for long periods of time
Collosal drain plug!
sure is!!
If in doubt, replace it.
good way to think
We used oil can to prime oil pump then it have oil presure
Awesome information thanks
1952 has thick sleeved
Thank you that’s valuable information!
You are there get a water pump and belt.
I probably need to
You gotta prime the plunger on front of block
there isnt one this is a gas motor not diesel
Yes there is I have one. There's a nut with a plunger and spring on the front of the block. Prime it with some 90W gear oil and oil pressure will come back
Number 4 mains are always the worst due to being furthest away from oil pump and the pumps are just poor gear pump
yea I hate the crappy gear pump they have
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What do you guys think? Could the oil pump be bad? Also should I just replace the rod bearings and pump and send it, or should I take my time and rebuild the entire engine? What would you do in my situation?
Yes, it spins way way too freely. Quite a bit of wear.
I had the same
Issue with my 8N. I read on a forum that if you pull the 15/16” plug in the front cover, and remove the check ball and spring, pump some 80/90 into the hole which feeds to the pump, it will “reprime” the pump. It fixed mine. I went from 0psi to 30psi at idle. Still thinking on doing a lower end though, just to be safe.
It's got to be cranked to get oil pressure!!
you must have missed the part in the video we’re I started it??!!
It seems that at the end of this process, the tractor will look like it just came out of the factory.
haha I wish
Look at Dan Gingell and Rachel Gingell Vidio's . They have all kinds of Vidios on how to restore your tractor
Yes I love their videos.. good info
If I was going in it, it would get mains and rod bearings. Did you blow out the line feeding the oil pressure meter?
My thought also.
Yes I need to make sure the line is clear
has the crankshaft oil way to each piston bearing clogged at all.
I don’t think so but will check
There's is a spot on the front of the engine where you add oil to prime the system unfortunately you went water to far
yes I know check out my other videos if u want of it
It is common for these fords to lose prime to th oil pump, but you ill hve rebuilding it!
You are correct sir
Bread the line to the gage
On another video someone had a loose distributor shaft and had to replace a distributor.
Does that engine have cylinder sleeves?
Yes it does
oil pumps are cheap. i change mine everytime i rebuild a motor.
Yes I head that from others I wonder if I have the larger or smaller gears in the pump
Oil pump bushing has to be reamed. The reamer and the jig required to hod the bushing in position are over $100. I took mine to an engine machine shop and they happened to have the jig and reamer.
I think you have your measurements messed up on your feeler gauge. .027" is what that looks like. .027 mm is actually .001" which is way way too tight. Anyways You really need to check the bore diameter and also the piston before deciding on just rings. Seeing how much piston ring gap there was I doubt new rings are going to take that up. These old tractors never did lubricate the cylinder walls all that well. For the difference in cost you're likely just as far ahead to get a rebuild kit with pistons and sleeves. Piston ring gap should be roughly .015", you're almost double the spec.
THANKS FOR WATCHING, I DID DO ALOT OF CHECKING OFF CAMERA AND CHECKING IT WITH THE MANUAL, AND I THINK THE MANUAL SAYS IT CAN BE 17-.043'' I BELEIVE I CANT REMEMBER BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY IN SPEC AND NOT SMOKING. I WAS GOING TO GET NEW SLEEVES AND PISTONS BUT I DECIDED NOT TO CHECK OUT PART 3 WHEN IT COMES OUT AND ILL EXPLAIN WHY. BUT THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENT AND INFO!
Take your battery cables off
Will do thanks
Um did you forget the rear main rope seal??
no it’s in there
12 volt conversion is totally unnecessary. Don't listen to those hacks
lol
Carbon good if used oil carbon wash way carbon
Can’t really understand your comment
charge the battery and put a tuneup on the engine along with a pertronics ign instead of points.
We’re can I find that type of ignition?
I would have replaced the plugs and fed it two cycle gas until I had it running correctly, as well as the MMO in each cylinder.
I already did this off camera
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thank you
Monetize me Al Gore rhythm!!
And if u don’t u can kick me in the assss
MM I am sure that those old tractors do not go by that metric crap, tell us in Ths.
pretty much all standard stuff
I just found your channel realize that this is a video that's a week old hope you didn't turn into that tractor yet because before you do any of that mess you might want to convert it to 12 volt that'll make it spin faster it'll start you don't have a compression problem you got one cylinder that's down I believe it's cylinder too is down on compression that'll come back up again once you run it you need is 12 volt conversion
Did u watch the whole video? I did get it running but it had zero oil pressure. I should have part 3 out soon, but after disassembling the oil pump.. the pump is toast and rod bearing are also. I ordered new parts and should have it together soon
You need to just get a new key to get it running that’s what it is and maybe put water in the gas tank
Hahah yea buddy
What a pain you have to nearly split the Tractor just to remove the oil pan.
Yup and I had to split it entirely in half to get the engine and clutch off
that's a big oil plug
Sure is!
Assuming it runs good, and sounds healthy?? at that i would not take it apart, IF it sounds healthy leave as is change engine oil.
Check out the other parts to this tractor if u get a chance 😊
Other videos I mean
Do a full rotisserie rebuild and refurb or why bother at all.
doing close to a full rebuild
You are going to screw around with it until you turn it into a money pit.
Most likely lol
You can fix anything I need you to build me a speaker box
thanks buddy I just wish I had more time and felt better I’m still dealing with thyroid and blood pressure problems ☹️
@@TheHomePros6221 its ok im gonna come over and help you out and make a crazy video!!!
shave the head before you put it back on.
Yea I will thanks
D the you even own any wrenches??? All I've seen you use is a pair of channel lock plires!!! Get a with the program!
Nope don’t own any at all I’m gonna rebuild this whole tractor with only a pair of pliers...I am the program. Thanks for watching btw
Just jerking your chain, I used to drive one just like it for my grandfather many years ago. Likewise he didn't have any tool sets, just a cresent wrench and a pair of vise grips! Good luck rebuilding the engine and driving it once again.
Thanks buddy should have part 3 out shortly
This kid is not a mechanic, he has the fingernails of an office girl!
Hahahaha I love your comment cause it’s so true damn I gotta cut my nails!!
They just grow so fast!! Maybe I need to get a pedicure hahaha