5:01 IMPORTANT: I found out why the lag occurs, and it actually turns out to be a good thing. I was comparing how Quest and Camp determine the accuracy of your exercises, and it turns out that only Quest ENSURES that you did the exercise correctly. In a Camp exercise, it wanted me to store the value of x[3] + x[-3] into a variable. However, I decided to test whether it actually checks that by adding the values in my head and then doing sum = 28.75 instead of sum = x[3] + x[-3]. The ENTIRE purpose of the exercise was to practice the list subsetting, and despite not using it, Camp told me I got the answer right. I discovered that Camp ONLY checks your Variable Values and your Output. Camp does not check your Script, it does not care whether you practiced the correct language constructs. This is a major disadvantage for Camp in my opinion, because it allows you to get the correct answer without doing the exercise correctly. In Quest, I did a similar experiment. The exercise wanted me to update a variable using x *= 4, because the primary focus of the exercise was to practice the arithmetic shortcuts. So I decided to use x = x * 4, and guess what, INCORRECT!!!!! My output was correct, and my variable values were correct (so if I had done this in Camp, it would have said correct, despite doing it wrong). Then I changed it to x *= 4, and, CORRECT!!!!! This PROVES that Quest checks your Variables, Output, AND your Script. Camp: Variables and Output are checked for correctness Quest: Variables, Output, and Script are checked for correctness This certainly explains the additional lag via Quest, because it checks more than Camp does. This makes the lag a positive in my opinion, because it exists only to ensure that you did the exercise correctly. Also, I noticed that Quest has added way more content since you posted the video, so maybe you should do an updated comparison that includes the new content. PLUS I think it would be important for you to let others know what I've described here.
I purchased both programs. Please comment more on the real learning effectiveness of both programs for a complete beginner . How competent is one when they complete a career path , eg Data Analysis? My interpretation so far is Data Quest is more streamlined and less confusing than Datacamp. The former is better for Python and R but the latter is better for Excel, SQL, Tableau and PowerBi.
I’ve been with dataquest since august. I’m just now starting the command line course then the sql course... I’m hoping to find something by March!!! Thanks for the informative video
@@whatupjrk5275 Haha it's been a ride. Yes I did. I'll say if you're looking for intro Data Analytics work PLEASE be realistic about your salary expectations. I did over 13 interviews until I finally got hired... I always did well but I always went by what salaries I saw on google... I didn't realize until I asked for $90k for a Data Science role at a big car manufacturer..... he basically said you're fresh out of college and little experience WE WILL NOT pay you that much. Really gave me the perspective I needed.. also had a few offers rescinded last minute which is AGGRAVATING. I wanted to give up many times but I somehow made it to the other side. It wasn't easy. So yeah be realistic about your salary expectations for your first job in Data. I spent basically a year applying for jobs and getting interviews only to be shot down every time for most likely, asking for too much money.
@@ProdbyTrehnt wow, thanks for this. But not getting 90k for a Data Science role sounds crazy. I guess as and entry level data scientist or a data analyst, 70k base minimum sounds decent but if I'm on the coast no way I would be taking anything less than 6 figures for the role. My long term goal is now ml engineer. But if I'm just not smart enough to self teach myself into an ml/ds role, data engineer will have to do. Kinda feeling burnt out/wrong choice with web dev and I'm only 1 yr in 😅 (also self taught, no degree). But I feel like I know at this point. I love that I'm still learning and growing but just feel uninspired with web development i guess. Data seems more interesting, exciting, and useful.
Jen If I want to transition from mechanical engineering to data science field where I can benefit from my organization and management skills what's the most suitable career for me? (business analyst, data analyst etc)
Roudy, I am one of those who want to change career path from mechanical engineering to data science field. I hope things have gone well for you so far. Do you have any reccomendation about the path you followed during your transition? I am stuck between datacamp and dataquest. Since both have considerable cost in terms of money and time, I want to invest the right course.
Well, I have taken courses in coursera where they provided a lot of information related data analysis but they lack technical practice, meaning the hands-on-experience coding excersises are very very basic and are not enough to actually converte it into muscle memory and very high level. I believe data campa is the oposite, they tell you how to code but you may not be clear as to why you would need this or in what situations you actually will need this.
5:01
IMPORTANT: I found out why the lag occurs, and it actually turns out to be a good thing.
I was comparing how Quest and Camp determine the accuracy of your exercises, and it turns out that only Quest ENSURES that you did the exercise correctly.
In a Camp exercise, it wanted me to store the value of x[3] + x[-3] into a variable. However, I decided to test whether it actually checks that by adding the values in my head and then doing sum = 28.75 instead of sum = x[3] + x[-3]. The ENTIRE purpose of the exercise was to practice the list subsetting, and despite not using it, Camp told me I got the answer right. I discovered that Camp ONLY checks your Variable Values and your Output. Camp does not check your Script, it does not care whether you practiced the correct language constructs. This is a major disadvantage for Camp in my opinion, because it allows you to get the correct answer without doing the exercise correctly.
In Quest, I did a similar experiment. The exercise wanted me to update a variable using x *= 4, because the primary focus of the exercise was to practice the arithmetic shortcuts. So I decided to use x = x * 4, and guess what, INCORRECT!!!!! My output was correct, and my variable values were correct (so if I had done this in Camp, it would have said correct, despite doing it wrong). Then I changed it to x *= 4, and, CORRECT!!!!! This PROVES that Quest checks your Variables, Output, AND your Script.
Camp: Variables and Output are checked for correctness
Quest: Variables, Output, and Script are checked for correctness
This certainly explains the additional lag via Quest, because it checks more than Camp does. This makes the lag a positive in my opinion, because it exists only to ensure that you did the exercise correctly.
Also, I noticed that Quest has added way more content since you posted the video, so maybe you should do an updated comparison that includes the new content. PLUS I think it would be important for you to let others know what I've described here.
Which exercise do you speak of because I disagree with your conclusion.
This was so helpful. I was confused about which to choose but youve helped me make my mind. Thanks.
Thanks Jen very interesting, i choose Datacamp based on your advices.
I purchased both programs. Please comment more on the real learning effectiveness of both programs for a complete beginner . How competent is one when they complete a career path , eg Data Analysis? My interpretation so far is Data Quest is more streamlined and less confusing than Datacamp. The former is better for Python and R but the latter is better for Excel, SQL, Tableau and PowerBi.
Thank you, this was extremely helpful!
Thanks for the information. Delivery method is the most important thing for me so I choose datacamp.
Thanks Jen. This was really helpful and made it easier to make a decision between the two
I’ve been with dataquest since august. I’m just now starting the command line course then the sql course... I’m hoping to find something by March!!! Thanks for the informative video
I’ve been using dataquest and it’s truly awesome. Better at teaching than Udacity.
We're u able to get a gig?
@@whatupjrk5275 Haha it's been a ride. Yes I did. I'll say if you're looking for intro Data Analytics work PLEASE be realistic about your salary expectations. I did over 13 interviews until I finally got hired... I always did well but I always went by what salaries I saw on google... I didn't realize until I asked for $90k for a Data Science role at a big car manufacturer..... he basically said you're fresh out of college and little experience WE WILL NOT pay you that much. Really gave me the perspective I needed.. also had a few offers rescinded last minute which is AGGRAVATING. I wanted to give up many times but I somehow made it to the other side. It wasn't easy.
So yeah be realistic about your salary expectations for your first job in Data. I spent basically a year applying for jobs and getting interviews only to be shot down every time for most likely, asking for too much money.
@@ProdbyTrehnt wow, thanks for this. But not getting 90k for a Data Science role sounds crazy. I guess as and entry level data scientist or a data analyst, 70k base minimum sounds decent but if I'm on the coast no way I would be taking anything less than 6 figures for the role. My long term goal is now ml engineer. But if I'm just not smart enough to self teach myself into an ml/ds role, data engineer will have to do.
Kinda feeling burnt out/wrong choice with web dev and I'm only 1 yr in 😅 (also self taught, no degree). But I feel like I know at this point. I love that I'm still learning and growing but just feel uninspired with web development i guess. Data seems more interesting, exciting, and useful.
@@ProdbyTrehnt congrats btw
Thanks for the review Jen. This video was very helpful
This is incredibly helpful. Much appreciated this video. Mahalo 🌺
Thanks Jen! Great and honest review :)
Thank you for this. I'm thinking about this and found out your video
Datacamp vs codeacademy for data science?
Did you get any information about outside of this comment thread of course?
Jen If I want to transition from mechanical engineering to data science field where I can benefit from my organization and management skills what's the most suitable career for me? (business analyst, data analyst etc)
Roudy, I am one of those who want to change career path from mechanical engineering to data science field. I hope things have gone well for you so far. Do you have any reccomendation about the path you followed during your transition? I am stuck between datacamp and dataquest. Since both have considerable cost in terms of money and time, I want to invest the right course.
how about 365 data science?
Can you be specific about the non programming skills you refer to? What are they? Thanks.
Well, I have taken courses in coursera where they provided a lot of information related data analysis but they lack technical practice, meaning the hands-on-experience coding excersises are very very basic and are not enough to actually converte it into muscle memory and very high level. I believe data campa is the oposite, they tell you how to code but you may not be clear as to why you would need this or in what situations you actually will need this.
Thanks Jen for all your hard work! Where would one begin if one wanted to become an QA Engineer?
very informative! thanks!
It really helped thanks alot❤
what about courseera? is it better than codeacademy