The craziest theory is that the tarnished themselves are theorized to be one of her demigod children.The main evidence being that in the beginning of the game as we are summoned into the lands between, we can hear the walking Mausoleum bell toll.
I'm so glad that another made the connection that the snowy crone is Marika, I even dubbed the crazy theory as Snow White. There are two unique endings where Marika stops being the vessel for the ER and the Age of Stars is the ending that Marika wanted to get.
Yo, are you telling me I can simp for Ranni *AND* Marika at the same time while remaining consistent in terms of theological philosophy and goals? Dope.
hrm problem is i think grace points you to the nearest location to reach an ending seemingly without, or at least with very little, bias. otherwise grace would stop pointing for you when you take the frenzied flame path or at least start pointing to Placidusax to nail you(heh)
Very interesting theory, and definitely one I can get behind. I think another important connection in the game adds to this theory, that being the one between Millicent and Malenia. Millicent herself states that she does not know the exact nature of her connection to Malenia; whether it be that of a child and mother, or if she wasn’t just a piece of Malenia that “fell off” so to speak. If we apply that same type of connection to Ranni (daughter of Radagon, who is Marika), then it’s possible that she could *also* be a piece of Marika that fell off originally (in a thematic sense) and then the two just sort of came back together. It’s a weird way of thinking about it, but that’s the track my brain fell into while watching.
They are trees, the question is whether she’s a fruit or a stem. If she’s cuckoo’s egg with no Rennala DNA in her then she's stem of Marika/Radagon. Which means they are basically identical. Radagon has red hair which was of the giant/fellgod, she hated it and wanted to shed that aspect of her.
Miquella had mohg seduced and killed,had radahn assassinated,messmer assassinated,malenia abandoned and trina discarded to become a god ranni also murdered herself to become a god by the way,at least her end goal wasnt to enslave the world.
@@tsu_nani2380 Her end goal was to leave the world in a wasteland which is akin to murdering the whole world. We killed Mogh, Radahn and Messmer, BTW. Miquella essentially destroyed everything he is while Ranni just killed her body but kept everything else.
@@azureascendant994 She left the world to the people because gods are the reason the world was ruined to begin with.She made sure no gods or men could meddle with the reality by taking the elden ring with her to the stars essentially dooming herself to solitude,it was self sacrifice until we decided to go with her Also if it weren’t for us burning the shaded tower with Messmers flame miquella couldn’t use the gate of divinity to become a god.Its no coincidence that he uses us and those we kill to further his schemes.He threw his love away too the guy was a monster.
Ranni willingly murders her half brother for a chance at personal freedom and condemns most of the Lands Between in the process. Marika outcasted and subdued entire races to humiliation. Them both killed and betraied to accomplish their goals. Mogh was the master mind of a satanist group responsible for blood sacrifices concentration camps. He was the only person miquella discarted. Unlike Ranni, miquella didnt screw over THE WHOLE WORLD to promote himself. Marika betrayed, killed and outcated races, abandoned partners and friends, sons and Ranni is the empirean who looks like her the most, she willingly murders her half brother for a chance at personal freedom and condemns most of the Lands Between in the process. Its excplicity explained that miquella went to the lands of shadow to repair his families sins. Since he was a kid, he has been colecting more deeds than any character in all fromsoftware games. He tried to bring an end to the suffering of godwyn ( murdered by ranni ), he used his own blood to grow the helighthree to protect all races, he made needles to help his sister fight agaisnt the rot. Miquella is the only truly good person in the Lands Between as a bodshiwata he cares for everyone, him getting so close to his goal of saving the world, only to be denied by the smoldering flame of ambition, is tragic, classic fromsoftware writting. @@tsu_nani2380
@@azureascendant994where does it state it would be a wasteland? It states she and the elden ring will not be on earth to be worshipped and idolized to keep her off the mistakes Marika did in this age.
Queen Marika can manipulate me whenever she wants.😁 Jokes aside, another banger lore video. With all informations from the DLC, I think Marika is the best written and the most complete character in all Soulsborne games.
I will point out that if this theory is true the Age of Star ending has the Tarnished marrying two wives, both of which are fairly willful figures. Life is going to be a roller coaster for the Tarnished.
It's an interesting theory to be sure, but I feel like it just depends on so many things that have to be interpreted in a specific way to fit exactly your theory. One thing is off and the whole thing falls apart... My biggest gripe is that I just don't think that Marika is an active participant in the happenings when the we and by extension the Tarnished as a whole return to the lands between. She controls the guidance of grace and thus ultimately the Tarnished and what they do if they are at least somewhat faithful. And I think that plan has been laid out even before she shattered the Elden Ring. We, the Tarnished, are her ace in the whole ready to clean up the Lands Between in case the other demigods fail to make something of themselves (as Melina tells us).
Fair enough, I hope you were entertained at least! I think there are alot of question marks in the story of Elden Ring and you kind of need to add your own interpretation to it.
@@SilverMooney Oh yeah definitely! I like seeing people come up with new theories and interpretations of the games lore/story despite the fact that the game has been out for a while now. It also makes me reevalueate my own interpretations. So I do appreciate your take on it.
In Chaos ending everything melt into one, we didn’t kill Torrent, we united with it ultimately. So stop being a pussy and get in the godd*mn robot, Shinji!
Marika: I'm very pleased you've matured splendidly . Just the way I wanted you to. Tarnished: What? Marika: The truth is tarnished warrior that all the battles you've fought up till now, were simply apart of my plan. Elden ring 2 boss speech.
Goldmask quest is literally spelled out by Coeryn, hence Goldmask going ... isn't complicated. Marika manipulating Ranni is not how I would put this. Ranni already had her own goal to sever the ties with her empyrean flesh and golden order. Marika started opposing golden order and greater will as well. Hence imo Marika helps out Ranni with her goal, rather than manipulating her.
Corhyn is biased by his desire to be important, and very explicitly does not really understand what goldmask is communicating. Multiple times he admits he just copies what he sees blindly, and when he does finally listen, he abandoned Goldmask for a heretic.
I find different images on the internet and combine it into a thumbnail. But for each image I adjust the color, brightness, sharpness, clarity, temperature, etc
This theory would explain what I saw in another Lore Theory video that in the various Ages of the Lands Between, one can always find statuary or murals of a woman like Marika. That as a god, she moves from worthy host, to worthy host to bring a new age. I still think Ranni still has influence within the gestalt since her goal is to basically leave to the Moon to remove her father's busybody parasite from mucking things up for a while.
You pearl clutching, moaning, irellevant fool. Nobody cares. And in what sad mind space does a scinario where someone ponders "that dastardly elden ring community". You're sad. Your communities are false, your concept of social morality is broken. Nobody is interested in the way you want. Go away.
I personally don't see it, but I love all the things you noticed. I feel it is more probable that Ranni is the bastard child of radagon and marika, with the whole cuckoo thing, and that Marika is simply trying to make a certain thing happen in many possible ways, and Ranni isn't necessarily the only one. We go to Millicent with grace, Rykard, Dominula, and even Castle Sol. We also get no grace underground. I feel there is a love between Marika and Ranni, but I don't know if there is enough direct evidence to say they are the same being. We get a lot of twoness in the game, two morgotts, two mohgs, two godfreys, st trina and Miq, Marika and Radagon, two children born of fire, and so on. However, not all these twin things are exactly the same, they all manifest in various forms. Ranni has her own twoness showing, and I feel it just doesn't click for it to become this extra layer on top of Marika+Radagon. My two cents, doesn't mean I am right at all. Your main point is that Ranni can move her spirits, but this really doesn't signify your conclusion and I don't see anything directly acting as evidence otherwise. Occams razor makes me believe the conclusion is probably simpler, like Marika just wanted a lord, and it isn't necessarily only Ranni's quest that does that, thus the many guidances.
This was an immediate subscribe. Absolutely love your theory because it’s well-thought and very plausible. The most exciting takeaway for me is the implication that Marika is the mother of ALL demigods. Fathered Rennala’s as Radagon and Mothered Godfrey’s as Marika. I always assumed that she was only a mother and that she and Radagon were once distinct entities, but there’s no reason they couldn’t have been one and the same all along.
That's why I choose the Flame. "Burn the Erdtree to the ground and incinerate all that divides and distinguishes. Ahh, may chaos take the world! May chaos take the world!" ~ a quote from a personal hero of mine
It would be interesting to see if Ranni’s head tilts at all depending on whether she refers to herself as “Ranni” or “Renna”, similar to how D shifts between his heads
Loved the video, happy to have inspired some of your theories in some way! So exciting to see more people use the information that we have in game to show how schemes and plots of these characters are interconnected. Here's a sneak peak for my upcoming video, we know why Marika wanted an Age of Stars, let me know what you think! We have our Elden Throne endings, we have our Flame of Frenzy Ending, and we have our Icy Cold Dark Moon ending. If there is a 1000 year voyage under the wisdom of the moon its going to get pretty chilly, I would think, and the few people to survive one thousand years of darkness would be the people accustomed to it. The Nox, who live under the False Night sky, and the Ancestral Follower's who have a near identical culture to Marika's people. The songs of the shamans shall last into the future while the history of cruelty and those who enforced it will not.
It is the Mimic! Thanks so much for watching glad you liked it! That is a super interesting theory. I never connected that the Ancestral Followers have a close culture to Marika's people but that makes sense! I actually interpreted the 1000 years of darkness a bit differently. I took it as 1000 years of darkness for just Ranni and her consort, and left everyone else alone, but now I am rethinking that lol. I like where your ideas are going and excited to watch your next video!
@@SilverMooney The Elden Ring needs to go somewhere, it needs a vessel. In the Dark Moon ending, Marika's body dissipates into golden dust, and Ranni slew her Empyrean flesh, and the Tarnished isn't a viable vessel. The only option is the Dark Moon, which is described as cold and from Ranni's Dark Moon spell we learn that it inflicts Frost (we also see Frost in the Cutscene) - so by process of elimination the Elden Ring must be stored in the Dark Moon If the Elden Ring is the Dark Moon which is Cold, Dark, and can inflict Frost, then the Order of the Lands Between would be affected by it - the Lands Between would also become Cold, Dark, and Frosty. Hope that makes sense, will talk about it in my next video.
Thing is, as a Tarnished I'm loyal to Queen Marika, and follow the age of stars because her grace points along it and the other endings feel like band-aid solutions(Elden Lord) or getting mad at the computer you cant fix and smashing it(Lord of chaos). So this hardly deters me from following the age of stars.
For what you say, Marika could just regreat what the greater will "made" her do, making she help Ranni and us for a new path, to not repeat the same mistakes.
This also (imo) explains why the Age of Stars ending is so much different than the other non-Frenzy endings, where you ultimately just sit on the throne lol
I don't think the cinematic depicts Marika taking life energy out of corpses, but she is stealing the power out of the Scadu Tree and using it to create the elden ring and what would later become the Erd Tree. This is why the Scadu Tree is twisted and wounded when we go to the land of shadows, because Marika sundered it to achieve her own ambitions, or perhaps the ambitions of the greater will, which may or may not have manipulated her from the start as the outer god parasite it is.
Yet another reason why Marika is just the worst. I understand why she turned out the way that she did, but it doesn’t really justify all of the horrible actions she’s committed.
Great theory, simply cinema. Only that I not agree is that Marika would be Snow Witch. With the DLC is confirmed that there was three moons, each other represents a carian princess and her caractheristics: Rennala, the Full Moon that all we known; Rellana, the younger sister and the Twin Moon; and Renna, the Dark Moon and the misterious original Snow Witch. I think she is the oldest sister and Ranni was her aprentice, and to honor her, Ranni make it done a doll with her figure. Remember that Rennala, her mother, take Ranni to the forest and introduced her the Snow Witch to became her mentor, it make senses that the Snow Witch would be Rennala's sister and someone to trust her child, and finally Ranni would inherit the power of Dark Moon.
Hi. I loved the video. Its videos like these that really make me love Elden Ring. I haven't played it myself but i do follow a lot of its content and love the lore specially. Its always awesome when creative people like you bring forward such awesome conjectures . Calling it a conjecture since the story of Elden Ring has a lot more if i am not mistaken. I just wanna ask this....the Frienzied Flame....No one suspects it but i feel its one of Marika's fail safe but no idea to what end.... It does trigger Melina to open her Other Eye and mention the coming of the Destined Death.... So far Melina's other eye is the only Non Marika thing we have seen so far but on the suface , is it truly though ? But does make one wonder why she removed the Rune of Destined Death from the Elden Ring in the first place?
I’ve always thought Marika and ranni worked together to orchestrate a grand plan. Their actions mirror each other but there opposites in the sense that Marika did a lot to achieve godhood but ultimately wanted out while ranni was easily a candidate from birth but wanted out before she was groomed into it. This theory I can support and adds more to missing pieces of this story And as you touched upon it Elden ring has a heavy theme on twins and duality As we know we’ve been doing miquellas dirty work to get into the dlc. Marika still guides us the the shadow realm to thwart miquallas plan because there’s no freedom. Where as she guides us to ranni to have the good ending of the game. It makes sense now why Marika would support ranni so much. I’ve always believed and it’s shown throughout the story that Marika has a by any means necessary type of mindset that plays 4D chess, knowing she was under the pretense of a false order that wasn’t hers and wanting to be free from it she’d do anything to for that. Especially knowing how her life was before godhood this is further supported But adding your theory to mine it makes it sound more legit that ranni was marikas way out
Sellen might not be the only one using a puppet body (note: puppets are alive, dolls are not), we know the same about Seluvis as well, and I suspect masters Lusat and Azur to also live in new bodies while we can only find their original immobile bodies.
Yeah GRRM really loves doing the puppet puppeteering the puppeteer tropes in his writing. And he mockingly tells us this by having Ranni be an actual puppet 😂
This theory still needs alot of proof, there is alot of stretching, if radagon is marika why would he attack us stopping us from ushering the age of stars? Also Marika's order is the golden order, when people die they go to the erdtree, ranni's order is the natural order, when people die they just die, there is alot of differences between golden age and age of the stars
Marika and Ranni have such an interesting relationship, ik we focus a lot on Marika being tied to faith but her scarseal also shows she had connection to both int and arcane. If she is the snowy crone, it'd explain even further how Ranni learned spirit manipulation. (Additionally it'd be curious to know if Renalla had received "tutoring" from the snowy crone, my Renalla x Marika ship thrives)
That would be interesting if Rennalla also knew the snowy crone. And I'm pretty sure Ranni did learn spirit manipulation through Marika, be it her glamoured as the snowy crone or just herself.
Marika probably knows frost magic because of her ties to the Hornsent. The Divine Beast in Belurat has an attack that involves the frost status effect. It's interesting to note that the Land of Shadow doesn't have snowy terrain, so where else can Marika learn spells of such nature?
@@mmyr8ado.360 it's entirely possible Marika spent some time away from the shadowlands among the Zamor, they also share the braids that Marika had. Ice storm (the spell) specifically calls it a tornado of ice, very similar to the Hornsent's Divine Beast Tornado 🤔
Renalla is only in love with Radagon, not Marika, and Marika even hated Rennala, especially when she became a champion and climbed the ladder to become Queen of Caria, and it was by sending Radagon that she wanted to defeat her, and then what happened happened. Radagon and Marika are two different people who merged, it's not just one person.
Wouldn't surprise me. Marika is a shape shifter. The mimic veil reveals this. Renna could also be the Gloam Eyed Queen... or a piece of her. What? Did you think that Marika and Malenia are the only Empyreans who could shrug off parts of themselves?
Anoter point to support your theory. Crone has a more rare definition “(rare) An old man; especially, a man who talks and acts like an old woman.” I immediately thought of Radagon. Radagon is Rannis father afterall, having been married to Renala perhaps the warning came from him knowing something :]
Honestly there are a few points that aren't holding together due to lacking evidence but all in all this looks plausible. Given how Marika is it would be too farfetched to think her ultimate goal was to shed the shackles of the Greater Will and her other self by having a tarnished kill them to then stop all the influences by "abandoning" the lands with the said tarnished. If anything the DLC helps this theory as the grace guides us to kill Miquella and stop his claims to godhood and the lands. Really nice and very well done the video looks crisp 👌
I believe that Melina is the reincarnation of Ranni's, born severed from Ranni's Soul, but still bound to her same fate. Melina must still burn, for that is her fate, as it was the fate of Ranni before her. Life was she accorded for this alone. But Ranni escaped her fate, and now lives free of her destiny, free to choose for herself.
@SilverMooney well I know that I mean how do you activate it? I dont remember getting a rune from him that you can use. Unless you're talking about that black and red stone thing that looks like a fake fingernail lol. Do you use that for something?
How did they manipulate me if I didn't even get that ending also the gold mast quest was way more intuitive to me then the age of stars one how the fuck am I supposed to know to keep Harrasing the raine doll over and over again till it talks
Most people do get the Age of Stars ending according to Steam, right now its at 28%. That ending has a higher percentage than Elden Lord (23%) and Frenzied Flame (16%). You can get the Elden Lord Achievement by doing Age of Fracture, Age of Duskborn, Blessing of Despair, and Age of Order, but Age of Stars still has a higher percentage.
@SilverMooney I am aware of the data I still didn't get that ending socyour YOU in red caps lied to me XD. and because people wanted that ending though If people played blind and didn't look anything up probely the people that did manage to beat it almost all would get age of fracture cause figure out some of this shit for yourself is kind of a bitch.
@@SilverMooney That is because people want that ending and are looking up how to get to it game is esoteric ad fuck most people would get fracture ending if they even finish and not the ending I got as your video says manipulate you lied to me individually D:
Roderika's eyes are actually green, not blue like Ranni's. The lighting in Roundtable Hold doesn't help ruclips.net/video/ioiGV4sESMk/видео.htmlsi=fCYLcc6I-pFktG9-
Spirit tuning woman that was mentioned by Hewg, should not be Marika because the hue in the eyes. Marika and her bloodline have golden eyes, Ranni included (Her true body). Roderika has blue eyes, not golden. But the Carians have blue eyes, Rennala eyes are blue, and she use spirit summon in the fight.
Counterpoint: Most things in the Lands Between have golden eyes. The Gold of Grace obscures and sometimes overwrites one's natural eye color. Even (the true) Rennala was some gold in her eyes. What made the Tarnished *tarnished* is the distinct lack of this gold.
This is the exact feeling you get when you've played through a dnd campaign and you're sitting around with the dm later and they drop some crazy lore that you didn't notice. Also, fully convinced and subscribed
She manipulated YALL, not I. I am THEE ELDEN LORD OF THE PERFECT ORDER! It was I who chose to mend the perfect rune for my own age. All other gods and legends were dropped to rest on my path to god hood. The Lands Between are mine to correct as Elden Lord. And with my perfect order, I would ensure that life can thrive here. Not be abandoned by unworthy gods. Age Of Order imo is the canonical best ending in the game. It’s the only one that ensures true life (order and chaos equally) with fair means. No gods, no outside interference from ancient ones, no uprisings, just fair, equal life. All other endings are diabolical in nature. With either twisted ways of living, abandonment, destruction, and ignorance. With perfect order all life is put to equal grounds.
I'm glad people are still on that elden ring lore grind.
Oh my god, manipulate me again mommy Marika.
Bro😂
FAX pleaseeee
Dude wtf lmaoooo she’s a video game character man
Okay, at this point in the lore I just need someone to tell who ISN'T Marika...
Am I Marika?
Unfortunately yes you are also Marika. I don't make the rules.
@@SilverMooney understood, I'll begin building a tiny replica of myself to inhabit one day
Might not be -too- far from the truth tbh. There's a theory that the Tarnished is a Bastard Child of Marika.
The craziest theory is that the tarnished themselves are theorized to be one of her demigod children.The main evidence being that in the beginning of the game as we are summoned into the lands between, we can hear the walking Mausoleum bell toll.
@@swordmasterkuo6419 nice to see the theory is mentioned
They weren't expecting a Lord of Frenzied Flame.
"No one expects the Frenzied Inquisition!"
@@ravendelacour1917 Underrated Comment
Nor Blessing of Despair
The Biggest Prank in all of Lands Between History
the very thing she despise
True
Bless every one with divinity
I'm so glad that another made the connection that the snowy crone is Marika, I even dubbed the crazy theory as Snow White.
There are two unique endings where Marika stops being the vessel for the ER and the Age of Stars is the ending that Marika wanted to get.
Snow White, I like it haha. I'm glad there is someone else out there that thinks Marika is the Snowy Crone too!
You mean Renna right?
Yo, are you telling me I can simp for Ranni *AND* Marika at the same time while remaining consistent in terms of theological philosophy and goals?
Dope.
You bet I am!
I think Miyazaki and GRR Martin share the same body.
Miyazaki completes his work though.
They are both merika. So yes, but also no. But also yes.
The irony that Roderika being a noble that was exiled by her family ultimately has more in common with Marika than them is GRRM written all over it.
Goldmask was, in fact, correct.
"We can't fuck up if we don't have Free Will bro"
Yeah, no wonder his disciples abandoned this bozo
always have been
@@TheUrizen you never really had free will in elden ring, youre eternally shaped and guided by 'grace'
Yes brother!!!
@@TheUrizen it's mor elike "gods can't fuck us up if they have no free will"
hrm problem is i think grace points you to the nearest location to reach an ending seemingly without, or at least with very little, bias. otherwise grace would stop pointing for you when you take the frenzied flame path or at least start pointing to Placidusax to nail you(heh)
Very interesting theory, and definitely one I can get behind.
I think another important connection in the game adds to this theory, that being the one between Millicent and Malenia.
Millicent herself states that she does not know the exact nature of her connection to Malenia; whether it be that of a child and mother, or if she wasn’t just a piece of Malenia that “fell off” so to speak.
If we apply that same type of connection to Ranni (daughter of Radagon, who is Marika), then it’s possible that she could *also* be a piece of Marika that fell off originally (in a thematic sense) and then the two just sort of came back together.
It’s a weird way of thinking about it, but that’s the track my brain fell into while watching.
That is a really cool interpretation! I like that idea!
They are trees, the question is whether she’s a fruit or a stem. If she’s cuckoo’s egg with no Rennala DNA in her then she's stem of Marika/Radagon. Which means they are basically identical. Radagon has red hair which was of the giant/fellgod, she hated it and wanted to shed that aspect of her.
This theroy has me hooked and I find myself looking sodeways at Ranni wondering how much of a puppet I am in hers *and Marikas eyes.
Miquella murdered himself to achieve godhood, Ranni murdered her family to achieve godhood.
Miquella had mohg seduced and killed,had radahn assassinated,messmer assassinated,malenia abandoned and trina discarded to become a god
ranni also murdered herself to become a god by the way,at least her end goal wasnt to enslave the world.
@@tsu_nani2380 Her end goal was to leave the world in a wasteland which is akin to murdering the whole world. We killed Mogh, Radahn and Messmer, BTW. Miquella essentially destroyed everything he is while Ranni just killed her body but kept everything else.
@@azureascendant994 She left the world to the people because gods are the reason the world was ruined to begin with.She made sure no gods or men could meddle with the reality by taking the elden ring with her to the stars essentially dooming herself to solitude,it was self sacrifice until we decided to go with her
Also if it weren’t for us burning the shaded tower with Messmers flame miquella couldn’t use the gate of divinity to become a god.Its no coincidence that he uses us and those we kill to further his schemes.He threw his love away too the guy was a monster.
Ranni willingly murders her half brother for a chance at personal freedom and condemns most of the Lands Between in the process. Marika outcasted and subdued entire races to humiliation. Them both killed and betraied to accomplish their goals. Mogh was the master mind of a satanist group responsible for blood sacrifices concentration camps. He was the only person miquella discarted. Unlike Ranni, miquella didnt screw over THE WHOLE WORLD to promote himself. Marika betrayed, killed and outcated races, abandoned partners and friends, sons and Ranni is the empirean who looks like her the most, she willingly murders her half brother for a chance at personal freedom and condemns most of the Lands Between in the process. Its excplicity explained that miquella went to the lands of shadow to repair his families sins.
Since he was a kid, he has been colecting more deeds than any character in all fromsoftware games. He tried to bring an end to the suffering of godwyn ( murdered by ranni ), he used his own blood to grow the helighthree to protect all races, he made needles to help his sister fight agaisnt the rot. Miquella is the only truly good person in the Lands Between as a bodshiwata he cares for everyone, him getting so close to his goal of saving the world, only to be denied by the smoldering flame of ambition, is tragic, classic fromsoftware writting.
@@tsu_nani2380
@@azureascendant994where does it state it would be a wasteland? It states she and the elden ring will not be on earth to be worshipped and idolized to keep her off the mistakes Marika did in this age.
Queen Marika can manipulate me whenever she wants.😁
Jokes aside, another banger lore video. With all informations from the DLC, I think Marika is the best written and the most complete character in all Soulsborne games.
Haha for real. And thanks so much!
Being gaslighted by my own family I feel extremaly triggered when I hear about manipulation.... even in video game
Not me bro. I did Lord of Chaos ending. My goal from the beginning was to eradicate all life in the Elden Ring universe.
I will point out that if this theory is true the Age of Star ending has the Tarnished marrying two wives, both of which are fairly willful figures. Life is going to be a roller coaster for the Tarnished.
It's an interesting theory to be sure, but I feel like it just depends on so many things that have to be interpreted in a specific way to fit exactly your theory. One thing is off and the whole thing falls apart...
My biggest gripe is that I just don't think that Marika is an active participant in the happenings when the we and by extension the Tarnished as a whole return to the lands between. She controls the guidance of grace and thus ultimately the Tarnished and what they do if they are at least somewhat faithful. And I think that plan has been laid out even before she shattered the Elden Ring. We, the Tarnished, are her ace in the whole ready to clean up the Lands Between in case the other demigods fail to make something of themselves (as Melina tells us).
Fair enough, I hope you were entertained at least! I think there are alot of question marks in the story of Elden Ring and you kind of need to add your own interpretation to it.
@@SilverMooney Oh yeah definitely! I like seeing people come up with new theories and interpretations of the games lore/story despite the fact that the game has been out for a while now. It also makes me reevalueate my own interpretations. So I do appreciate your take on it.
this is why you must embrace chaos.
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
You killed torrent. You’re immediately wrong.
In Chaos ending everything melt into one, we didn’t kill Torrent, we united with it ultimately. So stop being a pussy and get in the godd*mn robot, Shinji!
@@llab3903 but melina gets to live. and for her i would burn the world and torrent again.
@@llab3903 Nah he's right. A Horsegoat that handles like a perpetually drunk is not a life worth saving.
Marika: I'm very pleased you've matured splendidly . Just the way I wanted you to.
Tarnished: What?
Marika: The truth is tarnished warrior that all the battles you've fought up till now, were simply apart of my plan.
Elden ring 2 boss speech.
Goldmask quest is literally spelled out by Coeryn, hence Goldmask going ... isn't complicated.
Marika manipulating Ranni is not how I would put this.
Ranni already had her own goal to sever the ties with her empyrean flesh and golden order. Marika started opposing golden order and greater will as well.
Hence imo Marika helps out Ranni with her goal, rather than manipulating her.
I agree with this, it has more occams razor.
Corhyn is biased by his desire to be important, and very explicitly does not really understand what goldmask is communicating. Multiple times he admits he just copies what he sees blindly, and when he does finally listen, he abandoned Goldmask for a heretic.
@@hermithefrog629 I didn't said Corhyn understands Goldmask. Corhyn spells out the quest for you, as in getting in done, not the plot itself.
well she had 2 arguments, that i was not able to ignore, she had a point
DAYUM Marika on the thumbnail 🤤🤤🤤
haha glad you liked it
step on me marika.
@@SilverMooneyDo you do your own thumbnail art?
I find different images on the internet and combine it into a thumbnail. But for each image I adjust the color, brightness, sharpness, clarity, temperature, etc
@@SilverMooney Oh ok 👍
This theory would explain what I saw in another Lore Theory video that in the various Ages of the Lands Between, one can always find statuary or murals of a woman like Marika. That as a god, she moves from worthy host, to worthy host to bring a new age. I still think Ranni still has influence within the gestalt since her goal is to basically leave to the Moon to remove her father's busybody parasite from mucking things up for a while.
Somebody needs Tarnished Archeology.
These thumbnails don’t help this community’s reputation
Lmao
Bahahaha they are all waifu fan art
You pearl clutching, moaning, irellevant fool.
Nobody cares.
And in what sad mind space does a scinario where someone ponders "that dastardly elden ring community".
You're sad.
Your communities are false, your concept of social morality is broken.
Nobody is interested in the way you want.
Go away.
She played us like a damn FIDDLE!!
May chaos take the world
I always wondered why the guidande of grace pointed towards Caria Manor. Great video!
I personally don't see it, but I love all the things you noticed. I feel it is more probable that Ranni is the bastard child of radagon and marika, with the whole cuckoo thing, and that Marika is simply trying to make a certain thing happen in many possible ways, and Ranni isn't necessarily the only one. We go to Millicent with grace, Rykard, Dominula, and even Castle Sol. We also get no grace underground.
I feel there is a love between Marika and Ranni, but I don't know if there is enough direct evidence to say they are the same being. We get a lot of twoness in the game, two morgotts, two mohgs, two godfreys, st trina and Miq, Marika and Radagon, two children born of fire, and so on. However, not all these twin things are exactly the same, they all manifest in various forms. Ranni has her own twoness showing, and I feel it just doesn't click for it to become this extra layer on top of Marika+Radagon. My two cents, doesn't mean I am right at all. Your main point is that Ranni can move her spirits, but this really doesn't signify your conclusion and I don't see anything directly acting as evidence otherwise. Occams razor makes me believe the conclusion is probably simpler, like Marika just wanted a lord, and it isn't necessarily only Ranni's quest that does that, thus the many guidances.
That thumbnail goes so hard
praise the message !
And people hate me for saying Lord of frenzy flame is the only good ending.
This was an immediate subscribe. Absolutely love your theory because it’s well-thought and very plausible.
The most exciting takeaway for me is the implication that Marika is the mother of ALL demigods. Fathered Rennala’s as Radagon and Mothered Godfrey’s as Marika. I always assumed that she was only a mother and that she and Radagon were once distinct entities, but there’s no reason they couldn’t have been one and the same all along.
A lot of female loretubers seems to think that Marika is the villain of the story it seems.... I see a Freudian pattern here lol!!!
That's why I choose the Flame.
"Burn the Erdtree to the ground and incinerate all that divides and distinguishes.
Ahh, may chaos take the world!
May chaos take the world!"
~ a quote from a personal hero of mine
It would be interesting to see if Ranni’s head tilts at all depending on whether she refers to herself as “Ranni” or “Renna”, similar to how D shifts between his heads
Can’t manipulate me if I burn everything
Don't you gaslight is about this ending, it's the only one we don't end up maidenless!
Honestly, I would've picked Miquella's age of kindness if the dlc had let me instead of making him a twin princes copy.
manufactured and enforced kindness is no kindness at all
@TheMarauderOfficial for someone who claimed to want kindness, Miquella did some pretty awful things and not just the mind control.
@@TheMarauderOfficial I don’t care, it’s better than killing your step-brother because you dislike society.
@@kamageddynvideochannel3479 Is anyone in the elden ring universe not guilty of heinous shit?
@@TheMarauderOfficialI don’t care, it’s better than killing your step-brother because you dislike society and want an age of stars and edge.
Loved the video, happy to have inspired some of your theories in some way! So exciting to see more people use the information that we have in game to show how schemes and plots of these characters are interconnected.
Here's a sneak peak for my upcoming video, we know why Marika wanted an Age of Stars, let me know what you think!
We have our Elden Throne endings, we have our Flame of Frenzy Ending, and we have our Icy Cold Dark Moon ending. If there is a 1000 year voyage under the wisdom of the moon its going to get pretty chilly, I would think, and the few people to survive one thousand years of darkness would be the people accustomed to it.
The Nox, who live under the False Night sky, and the Ancestral Follower's who have a near identical culture to Marika's people. The songs of the shamans shall last into the future while the history of cruelty and those who enforced it will not.
It is the Mimic! Thanks so much for watching glad you liked it!
That is a super interesting theory. I never connected that the Ancestral Followers have a close culture to Marika's people but that makes sense!
I actually interpreted the 1000 years of darkness a bit differently. I took it as 1000 years of darkness for just Ranni and her consort, and left everyone else alone, but now I am rethinking that lol. I like where your ideas are going and excited to watch your next video!
i read the darkness bit as without guidance, since ranni leaves the world instead of enforcing a rule.
@@SilverMooney The Elden Ring needs to go somewhere, it needs a vessel. In the Dark Moon ending, Marika's body dissipates into golden dust, and Ranni slew her Empyrean flesh, and the Tarnished isn't a viable vessel. The only option is the Dark Moon, which is described as cold and from Ranni's Dark Moon spell we learn that it inflicts Frost (we also see Frost in the Cutscene) - so by process of elimination the Elden Ring must be stored in the Dark Moon
If the Elden Ring is the Dark Moon which is Cold, Dark, and can inflict Frost, then the Order of the Lands Between would be affected by it - the Lands Between would also become Cold, Dark, and Frosty.
Hope that makes sense, will talk about it in my next video.
@jackisamimic Got it, that sounds like it’s going to be a great video! Can’t wait to watch!
"More of a feature than a bug." Broooooo 😂😂😂🤣☠️☠️
Thing is, as a Tarnished I'm loyal to Queen Marika, and follow the age of stars because her grace points along it and the other endings feel like band-aid solutions(Elden Lord) or getting mad at the computer you cant fix and smashing it(Lord of chaos). So this hardly deters me from following the age of stars.
and that's why i think frenzied flame ending is the best for everyone in the lands between
For what you say, Marika could just regreat what the greater will "made" her do, making she help Ranni and us for a new path, to not repeat the same mistakes.
Dang even virtual women manipulating me
This also (imo) explains why the Age of Stars ending is so much different than the other non-Frenzy endings, where you ultimately just sit on the throne lol
Me, doing the Age of Order ending since it's nearly the same except you don't marry the funny big blue doll:
I don't think the cinematic depicts Marika taking life energy out of corpses, but she is stealing the power out of the Scadu Tree and using it to create the elden ring and what would later become the Erd Tree. This is why the Scadu Tree is twisted and wounded when we go to the land of shadows, because Marika sundered it to achieve her own ambitions, or perhaps the ambitions of the greater will, which may or may not have manipulated her from the start as the outer god parasite it is.
is marika the one who keeps bringing us back from death?
Probably... she is the one that brought the tarnished back in the beginning of the game
There are 2 big ways she is manipulating me right now
Yet another reason why Marika is just the worst.
I understand why she turned out the way that she did, but it doesn’t really justify all of the horrible actions she’s committed.
The mimic veil is called "Marika's Mischief"
So Ranni is our mother ,sister and wife?
Yes
@@kcojco Sounds like George RR Martin writing.
hot. peak fiction
@@deathandrebirth-y8x Diddy go away
@@ChaoticUrges diddy. isnt into chicks
me going to be lord of frenzy
Goes to show how smart Marika is. She’s so intricate and complex, definitely one of my favorite characters
She’s mine back off 😤😤😤
Just another reason to let chaos take the world.
Great theory, simply cinema. Only that I not agree is that Marika would be Snow Witch. With the DLC is confirmed that there was three moons, each other represents a carian princess and her caractheristics: Rennala, the Full Moon that all we known; Rellana, the younger sister and the Twin Moon; and Renna, the Dark Moon and the misterious original Snow Witch. I think she is the oldest sister and Ranni was her aprentice, and to honor her, Ranni make it done a doll with her figure. Remember that Rennala, her mother, take Ranni to the forest and introduced her the Snow Witch to became her mentor, it make senses that the Snow Witch would be Rennala's sister and someone to trust her child, and finally Ranni would inherit the power of Dark Moon.
Hi. I loved the video. Its videos like these that really make me love Elden Ring. I haven't played it myself but i do follow a lot of its content and love the lore specially.
Its always awesome when creative people like you bring forward such awesome conjectures .
Calling it a conjecture since the story of Elden Ring has a lot more if i am not mistaken.
I just wanna ask this....the Frienzied Flame....No one suspects it but i feel its one of Marika's fail safe but no idea to what end.... It does trigger Melina to open her Other Eye and mention the coming of the Destined Death.... So far Melina's other eye is the only Non Marika thing we have seen so far but on the suface , is it truly though ?
But does make one wonder why she removed the Rune of Destined Death from the Elden Ring in the first place?
I’ve always thought Marika and ranni worked together to orchestrate a grand plan. Their actions mirror each other but there opposites in the sense that Marika did a lot to achieve godhood but ultimately wanted out while ranni was easily a candidate from birth but wanted out before she was groomed into it. This theory I can support and adds more to missing pieces of this story
And as you touched upon it Elden ring has a heavy theme on twins and duality
As we know we’ve been doing miquellas dirty work to get into the dlc. Marika still guides us the the shadow realm to thwart miquallas plan because there’s no freedom. Where as she guides us to ranni to have the good ending of the game. It makes sense now why Marika would support ranni so much.
I’ve always believed and it’s shown throughout the story that Marika has a by any means necessary type of mindset that plays 4D chess, knowing she was under the pretense of a false order that wasn’t hers and wanting to be free from it she’d do anything to for that. Especially knowing how her life was before godhood this is further supported
But adding your theory to mine it makes it sound more legit that ranni was marikas way out
Sellen might not be the only one using a puppet body (note: puppets are alive, dolls are not), we know the same about Seluvis as well, and I suspect masters Lusat and Azur to also live in new bodies while we can only find their original immobile bodies.
Incredible thumbnail 👌
Cause of that: May chaos tske the world
I still havent gotten Age Of Stars. So far the only endings ive bothered with are Perfect Order, Dung Eater and Frenzy.
Girl how did I miss the similarities! I have often wondered about Ranni, but never that she and Marika could be the same person.
Heh, I guess accidentally getting the frenzied flame for the 1st playthrough was good thing after all :D
Yeah GRRM really loves doing the puppet puppeteering the puppeteer tropes in his writing. And he mockingly tells us this by having Ranni be an actual puppet 😂
Just become the lord of frenzied flame and burn it all down just like Elden Lord Beavis would’ve done
This theory still needs alot of proof, there is alot of stretching, if radagon is marika why would he attack us stopping us from ushering the age of stars? Also Marika's order is the golden order, when people die they go to the erdtree, ranni's order is the natural order, when people die they just die, there is alot of differences between golden age and age of the stars
my head have a big boom watching this video
Didn't Ranni originally have two voices speaking at once, or am I misremembering it?
Did she? That would be crazy if she did.
Ya I think this was in the playtest
Wow I need to find footage of this
I swear I saw it in a VaatiVidya video. I'll see if I can locate it
@@SilverMooney I think vaati says he recreated it.. but was content that was cut
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Marika and Ranni have such an interesting relationship, ik we focus a lot on Marika being tied to faith but her scarseal also shows she had connection to both int and arcane. If she is the snowy crone, it'd explain even further how Ranni learned spirit manipulation. (Additionally it'd be curious to know if Renalla had received "tutoring" from the snowy crone, my Renalla x Marika ship thrives)
That would be interesting if Rennalla also knew the snowy crone. And I'm pretty sure Ranni did learn spirit manipulation through Marika, be it her glamoured as the snowy crone or just herself.
Marika probably knows frost magic because of her ties to the Hornsent. The Divine Beast in Belurat has an attack that involves the frost status effect. It's interesting to note that the Land of Shadow doesn't have snowy terrain, so where else can Marika learn spells of such nature?
@@mmyr8ado.360 it's entirely possible Marika spent some time away from the shadowlands among the Zamor, they also share the braids that Marika had. Ice storm (the spell) specifically calls it a tornado of ice, very similar to the Hornsent's Divine Beast Tornado 🤔
Renalla is only in love with Radagon, not Marika, and Marika even hated Rennala, especially when she became a champion and climbed the ladder to become Queen of Caria, and it was by sending Radagon that she wanted to defeat her, and then what happened happened. Radagon and Marika are two different people who merged, it's not just one person.
Elden ring is a big giant lesson of “don’t simp”
Wouldn't surprise me. Marika is a shape shifter. The mimic veil reveals this.
Renna could also be the Gloam Eyed Queen... or a piece of her.
What? Did you think that Marika and Malenia are the only Empyreans who could shrug off parts of themselves?
Anoter point to support your theory. Crone has a more rare definition “(rare) An old man; especially, a man who talks and acts like an old woman.” I immediately thought of Radagon. Radagon is Rannis father afterall, having been married to Renala perhaps the warning came from him knowing something :]
Honestly there are a few points that aren't holding together due to lacking evidence but all in all this looks plausible. Given how Marika is it would be too farfetched to think her ultimate goal was to shed the shackles of the Greater Will and her other self by having a tarnished kill them to then stop all the influences by "abandoning" the lands with the said tarnished. If anything the DLC helps this theory as the grace guides us to kill Miquella and stop his claims to godhood and the lands. Really nice and very well done the video looks crisp 👌
I love the gooner marika based thumbnail.
Elden Ring loremaster starterpack:
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I like your take on this... also I want to play elden ring now
Bro this lore of elden ring is crazy
I believe that Melina is the reincarnation of Ranni's, born severed from Ranni's Soul, but still bound to her same fate. Melina must still burn, for that is her fate, as it was the fate of Ranni before her. Life was she accorded for this alone.
But Ranni escaped her fate, and now lives free of her destiny, free to choose for herself.
What Age of Stars? I'm watching the World Burn.
And I thought Gwyn was a bad daddy.
jokes on them i stick with the path of frenzied flame.
Miquella the kind spoke of the thumbnail... the seduction
Golden age of perfect order! Quck question though: WHO TH IS THE GLOAM EYED QUEEN???
Any vaguely or directly evil goddess want to manipulate me? I’m very voulnerable right now and will easily fall for it
lol love that for you
What is that shot at 0:31?
That was from unleashing the rune of death!
@SilverMooney how do you even do that?
You fight Maliketh!
@SilverMooney well I know that I mean how do you activate it? I dont remember getting a rune from him that you can use. Unless you're talking about that black and red stone thing that looks like a fake fingernail lol. Do you use that for something?
How did they manipulate me if I didn't even get that ending also the gold mast quest was way more intuitive to me then the age of stars one how the fuck am I supposed to know to keep Harrasing the raine doll over and over again till it talks
Most people do get the Age of Stars ending according to Steam, right now its at 28%. That ending has a higher percentage than Elden Lord (23%) and Frenzied Flame (16%). You can get the Elden Lord Achievement by doing Age of Fracture, Age of Duskborn, Blessing of Despair, and Age of Order, but Age of Stars still has a higher percentage.
@SilverMooney I am aware of the data I still didn't get that ending socyour YOU in red caps lied to me XD. and because people wanted that ending though If people played blind and didn't look anything up probely the people that did manage to beat it almost all would get age of fracture cause figure out some of this shit for yourself is kind of a bitch.
@@SilverMooney That is because people want that ending and are looking up how to get to it game is esoteric ad fuck most people would get fracture ending if they even finish and not the ending I got as your video says manipulate you lied to me individually D:
I'm playing the lore accurate marika preset and chose gold mask tho
Roderika's eyes are actually green, not blue like Ranni's. The lighting in Roundtable Hold doesn't help
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So you're saying that a woman played a long game of matchmaker for her stepdaughter and her chosen champion?
Silver Tarnishes, Gold does not.
Spirit tuning woman that was mentioned by Hewg, should not be Marika because the hue in the eyes.
Marika and her bloodline have golden eyes, Ranni included (Her true body).
Roderika has blue eyes, not golden.
But the Carians have blue eyes, Rennala eyes are blue, and she use spirit summon in the fight.
Counterpoint: Most things in the Lands Between have golden eyes. The Gold of Grace obscures and sometimes overwrites one's natural eye color. Even (the true) Rennala was some gold in her eyes. What made the Tarnished *tarnished* is the distinct lack of this gold.
No, Roderika has green eyes
hope there will be another dlc
Who’s the artist for the Marika thumbnail, asking for a friend.
great video make sense to me
This is the exact feeling you get when you've played through a dnd campaign and you're sitting around with the dm later and they drop some crazy lore that you didn't notice.
Also, fully convinced and subscribed
Haha yay welcome!
Can’t manipulate me if I don’t understand story and lore
She manipulated YALL, not I. I am THEE ELDEN LORD OF THE PERFECT ORDER! It was I who chose to mend the perfect rune for my own age. All other gods and legends were dropped to rest on my path to god hood. The Lands Between are mine to correct as Elden Lord. And with my perfect order, I would ensure that life can thrive here. Not be abandoned by unworthy gods.
Age Of Order imo is the canonical best ending in the game. It’s the only one that ensures true life (order and chaos equally) with fair means. No gods, no outside interference from ancient ones, no uprisings, just fair, equal life. All other endings are diabolical in nature. With either twisted ways of living, abandonment, destruction, and ignorance. With perfect order all life is put to equal grounds.
Is there anything or anyone who hasn't been gaslit by marika??
Another great video!
Thank you so much!