I was always depending on S57/S58, also while using pedalboard, and guitar effects. They were just "right", You know? "I can't stick the mic to deep, and not play for a far..and that's it!" But 2 days ago I have decided to buy... erhm... Superlux Pra383d... the cheapest "not-stick". I don't know yet how it will suit my horn, but the idea was to have clip-on for rehearsals, from-home composing and smaller gigs. I think every active player should have it just in case (literally, "in case"). Then, if budget allows it - AKG, Shure or DPA. Also many music clubs, venues, and Sound Engineers have sometimes good hardware, so it's go to ask for it, don't You think? Thanks for a good video and cool vibe
I also keep one of these in my case, especially for playing theatre gigs. I actually forgot to take it for a Sitzprobe the other night and (for the first time in a couple years) had to use a different clip-on mic. Better believe I brought mine the next night! Only thing I haven't managed to figure out well with it is when I'm using a Solotone mute (I use the Trumcor VintageTone) as that one is a quite a bit longer, but that doesn't come up too often. When it does, I just clip it to the stand for a bit.
Putting clip-on mics on the whole horn section was a game-changer for our FOH sound. Fewer unintended dynamic swings allowed the sound man to use less compression on each player, and instead use "dynamic EQ" (essentially frequency-specific compression) on the section. Way more expressive, way more room to keep the singers out front without relegating the horns to the background.
Great video!! We often underestimate how many things can throw us off our position and compromise our sound. Good quality properly-placed mics are a game changer!!!
This is such a good shout actually. However, I'm curious is there a truly wireless alternative perhaps for settings where you would wanna move around while playing and not have to worry about cables getting caught? Better still is there a way to adapt the mic you've mentioned for this use case? Perhaps a compact transmitter pack that will attach to the trumpet? I know Timmy Trumpet (the DJ) has a pretty compact setup that kinda achieves this, but I can't for the life of me fogger out what it is haha.
I was wondering about mutes, and then you answered that 👍. But doesn't it pick up noise from mute changes? Also, do you then hang your instrument from a hook instead of using a bell stand?
You can adjust it out of the way for mute changes, it shouldn't make noise if you move it out of the way (just don't bang the end of the mic). You can hang it from a hook, but I just un-clip it from the bell if there is a song I'm not playing and attach the mic to the edge of the music stand.
I've a question! What stand would you use for your trumpet when using a clip on? I love using a clip on but it always feels awkward using a stand in love settings as I'm nervous about knocking the mic etc.
Great question, I have a K&M Trumpet holder - it clips onto the side of a microphone stand/music stand. You can hang the trumpet from that, I'll see if I can make a video about it sometime in the next few weeks. I'll be back in video mode in about 2 weeks.
I bought a UHF multi-function wireless mic off amazon. It has a 1/4 inch jack on the receiver that plugs into a guitar amp. Sounds silly, but it works! The amp has a mic setting, so I get the clean trumpet sound. But I can also add effects with guitar pedals-reverb, etc. Don't know the brand it just has CI on it.
Yo thank you for the very informative video. I am used to play with mic stand, this gives me some safety feeling because I know I can always get further from the microphone if I am not sure about my playing, I can also manage sound's velocity. However, a clip on mic would add to discipline that's for sure, so I am considering buying one that you recommended. Question: how does it work with a trumpet stand? I guess one needs to move the microphone each time you put the trumpet on and off the stand.
Yes, if you are going to place the horn down on a stand you need to remove the microphone, but the clip is super easy and fast. I just attach the clip to the edge of my music stand, or on the lip of the mount for my iPad holder when I'm reading digital charts.
I use the Audio Technica PRO 35 clip-on mic for wedding and NOLA brass band gigs. I think when I was looking for a mic, someone told me the Shure 98/h wasn't durable enough so that's why I went for the AT PRO 35 but I'm sure they're pretty comparable.
The AT mics are great - I've used them in the past. I've used the Shure 98/h on the road and around town for years, it's worked great for me. For me It's always either plugged in for a gig, or in it's case. I haven't had any durability issues, seems solid to me.
When I got the mic, I started practicing with a plate reverb, compressor, echo a boost. Whatever I could put together to sweeten the sound. However, I don't think it's a good idea because I found I was becoming dependent on the gear to achieve that mastered sound. So I'm focused on the true trumpet tone without gear. I will use the gear for a performance and dialing in tones only.
That's a great approach - master the sound on the horn for sure. Certain effects can definitely add to the music depending on the circumstances - when the gig calls for it!
Thanks! They have a version that's designed for plugging into the wireless pack, look up the Shure WB98H/C with 5.3 ft. cable terminated to 4-Pin Mini-Connector. That should be the one.
Hi from Chile. I am new in the clip microphones. I just acquired the same mic to play with a band. Do you use any kind of hooks attached to the music stand to rest? considering you can't use a trumpet stand in this case.. thanks for the video.
I just remove it from the bell and clip the microphone to the edge of the music stand. I don’t often have songs I am not playing on, so it’s mostly in my hands on the gig. But for breaks, horn on the stand, clip mic to the stand.
I use a tablet sometimes, the holder that I use for the tablet has the slightest edge on one corner, I attach it to that. I may be able to share a picture or something tomorrow. Which tablet mount do you use?
Hi Josh. Love the videos! I've got to say that I don't have a lot of experience being mic'ed for gigs, but when I am, I definitely notice the issues you mentioned. I am curious how this works with wah mutes. Do you swing the microphone head off to the side of the bell? Do you ever have any problems with this?
Hey Aidan, thanks!! With a harmon (without the stem) I just adjust it to be tight at the end just an inch from the opening. For a cup mute I adjust it to be near the rim of the bell in the gap. In some scenarios it's going to be a bit tricky, so for a "wah" effect I just extend it all the way and it's in a decent position. On rare occasion I'll attach the mic to my music stand and play at it as though it's a stationary mic (for plunger/complicated mute work) - but that has only been a few times. Generally speaking if it's that involved it's pit/large ensemble work, and that's either acoustic or just a mic on a stand. You just have to weigh what's going to work best overall.
Thanks again Josh. Any feedback on the Shure PGA98H-XLR Cardioid Condenser? I play trumpet in a three piece with two guitars. I am looking to invest in this model for our Friday and Sat. nights at a restaurant. Any advice would be appreciated. Love your videos.
Sure thing. I don't have any experience with that microphone so I unfortunately can't comment on it. They might have some info on their website? I'd look at the frequency response and other technical details to see how the two of them compare sonically. Someone at Sweetwater might be able to get that information too ... and a great place to pic up microphones too.
I love my Beta98 too. No one has ever complained about me bringing mine either. I use it for everything except small group acoustic jazz stuff. Definitely use it for the higher louder stuff.
There are two versions, a wired and wireless. The Beta 98H/C is what I have, the WB98H/C has the connector for the wireless pack. I believe the only difference is the connector (XLR vs TA4F connector), and I believe there is an adapter you can get if you have the wired version and want to plug it into the pack.
I’m not certain if it will work on *any* wireless system, that’s a question I’d message Shure about, or call someone at Sweetwater and chat with them - they have great training on the gear.
Semantics, my apologies. I was obviously speaking to the difference between an acoustic and amplified instrument and how that impacts playing trumpet on certain gigs. I suppose it would have been more accurate had I said an "analog electric" signal. Nevertheless, whether it's digitized 1s, and 0s, or an analog signal that's been transferred via electric pickup, at the end of the day it's not exactly an acoustic instrument like a trumpet. Acoustic instruments are limited in volume by a number of parameters, and playing louder isn't as simple as turning a dial, pushing a fader, or plugging into a more powerful PA. An electric guitar, bass, keyboard, doesn't emit enough sound (if any) to be heard in a gig setting without plugging into an amp or PA.
I can not believe this guy talked for 9 minutes without even mentioning anything about excessive trumpet valve noise on clip-on microphones. Nobody talks about it. Is it a taboo subject or what?
Thanks for checking out my video. I’ve yet to have a single sound engineer ever mention any valve noise while using a clip on, is that a common occurrence with you? I’ve literally used it on hundreds of shows, in concert halls, with orchestras, pits, jazz club, and I’ve even tracked for live TV and recording sessions with no issues. So no, I didn’t mention it as it’s never been a consideration.
I have a superlux and the valve noise is bad through the PA. You need to roll off all the low frequencies. However, I am interested if the Shure doesn't have this problem.
Let me know what clip-on mic you're using - anyone else using the Shure Beta 98/h?
I was always depending on S57/S58, also while using pedalboard, and guitar effects. They were just "right", You know? "I can't stick the mic to deep, and not play for a far..and that's it!" But 2 days ago I have decided to buy... erhm... Superlux Pra383d... the cheapest "not-stick". I don't know yet how it will suit my horn, but the idea was to have clip-on for rehearsals, from-home composing and smaller gigs. I think every active player should have it just in case (literally, "in case"). Then, if budget allows it - AKG, Shure or DPA. Also many music clubs, venues, and Sound Engineers have sometimes good hardware, so it's go to ask for it, don't You think? Thanks for a good video and cool vibe
I also keep one of these in my case, especially for playing theatre gigs. I actually forgot to take it for a Sitzprobe the other night and (for the first time in a couple years) had to use a different clip-on mic. Better believe I brought mine the next night! Only thing I haven't managed to figure out well with it is when I'm using a Solotone mute (I use the Trumcor VintageTone) as that one is a quite a bit longer, but that doesn't come up too often. When it does, I just clip it to the stand for a bit.
Hi, I have been using for the last years a DPA 4099 for brass and it is just wonderful...
Putting clip-on mics on the whole horn section was a game-changer for our FOH sound. Fewer unintended dynamic swings allowed the sound man to use less compression on each player, and instead use "dynamic EQ" (essentially frequency-specific compression) on the section. Way more expressive, way more room to keep the singers out front without relegating the horns to the background.
Yes - such a game changer.
Great video!! We often underestimate how many things can throw us off our position and compromise our sound. Good quality properly-placed mics are a game changer!!!
Thank you!! 🙏🙏
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us. Josh I appreciate your knowledge and I especially enjoy your enthusiasm. Stay passionate forever!
Thank you! 🙏🙏
Great seeing you in Minneapolis! Will be looking into this mic. :)
Likewise, what a fun conference. I never leave home without it, it lives in my case.
HEY JOSH ! WELCOME BACK , I USE THE SAME SYSTEM WITH THE WIRELESS TRANSCEIVER TO WALK AROUND IT's A GODSEND WITH A GREAT SOUND !
Thank you!! Nice - I don't yet have the wireless pack, but it's on the wish list!
@@JoshRzepkaMusic MAN IT's LIKE FLYING ABOVE THE CLOUDS ! TOTAL FREEDOM !
Nice! Which pack do you use?
@@JoshRzepkaMusic Shure WH 98 Correction SHURE BLX14R/B98 - H10
@@JoshRzepkaMusic IT IS EASY TO USE ! HAVE FUN ONCE YOU GET IT !
This is such a good shout actually. However, I'm curious is there a truly wireless alternative perhaps for settings where you would wanna move around while playing and not have to worry about cables getting caught? Better still is there a way to adapt the mic you've mentioned for this use case? Perhaps a compact transmitter pack that will attach to the trumpet?
I know Timmy Trumpet (the DJ) has a pretty compact setup that kinda achieves this, but I can't for the life of me fogger out what it is haha.
I was wondering about mutes, and then you answered that 👍. But doesn't it pick up noise from mute changes? Also, do you then hang your instrument from a hook instead of using a bell stand?
You can adjust it out of the way for mute changes, it shouldn't make noise if you move it out of the way (just don't bang the end of the mic). You can hang it from a hook, but I just un-clip it from the bell if there is a song I'm not playing and attach the mic to the edge of the music stand.
@@JoshRzepkaMusic that makes sense, thanks 🎺🎺
Thanks for watching and commenting!! 🎺
I've a question! What stand would you use for your trumpet when using a clip on? I love using a clip on but it always feels awkward using a stand in love settings as I'm nervous about knocking the mic etc.
Great question, I have a K&M Trumpet holder - it clips onto the side of a microphone stand/music stand. You can hang the trumpet from that, I'll see if I can make a video about it sometime in the next few weeks. I'll be back in video mode in about 2 weeks.
I bought a UHF multi-function wireless mic off amazon. It has a 1/4 inch jack on the receiver that plugs into a guitar amp. Sounds silly, but it works! The amp has a mic setting, so I get the clean trumpet sound. But I can also add effects with guitar pedals-reverb, etc. Don't know the brand it just has CI on it.
Yo thank you for the very informative video. I am used to play with mic stand, this gives me some safety feeling because I know I can always get further from the microphone if I am not sure about my playing, I can also manage sound's velocity. However, a clip on mic would add to discipline that's for sure, so I am considering buying one that you recommended.
Question: how does it work with a trumpet stand? I guess one needs to move the microphone each time you put the trumpet on and off the stand.
Yes, if you are going to place the horn down on a stand you need to remove the microphone, but the clip is super easy and fast. I just attach the clip to the edge of my music stand, or on the lip of the mount for my iPad holder when I'm reading digital charts.
I use the Audio Technica PRO 35 clip-on mic for wedding and NOLA brass band gigs. I think when I was looking for a mic, someone told me the Shure 98/h wasn't durable enough so that's why I went for the AT PRO 35 but I'm sure they're pretty comparable.
The AT mics are great - I've used them in the past. I've used the Shure 98/h on the road and around town for years, it's worked great for me. For me It's always either plugged in for a gig, or in it's case. I haven't had any durability issues, seems solid to me.
When I got the mic, I started practicing with a plate reverb, compressor, echo a boost. Whatever I could put together to sweeten the sound. However, I don't think it's a good idea because I found I was becoming dependent on the gear to achieve that mastered sound. So I'm focused on the true trumpet tone without gear. I will use the gear for a performance and dialing in tones only.
That's a great approach - master the sound on the horn for sure. Certain effects can definitely add to the music depending on the circumstances - when the gig calls for it!
Hi Josh, great video thanks!
I'm wondering if your beta 98 is easy to plug into a radio belt-pack. How does that work with phantom power?
Thanks! They have a version that's designed for plugging into the wireless pack, look up the Shure WB98H/C with 5.3 ft. cable terminated to 4-Pin Mini-Connector. That should be the one.
In the old days Tpt was the loudest. Now we compete with Gtr. We getting Louder. Is Music getting Dumber?
Music is certainly getting louder ... dumber ... no comment! 😂😂
Hi from Chile. I am new in the clip microphones. I just acquired the same mic to play with a band. Do you use any kind of hooks attached to the music stand to rest? considering you can't use a trumpet stand in this case.. thanks for the video.
I just remove it from the bell and clip the microphone to the edge of the music stand. I don’t often have songs I am not playing on, so it’s mostly in my hands on the gig. But for breaks, horn on the stand, clip mic to the stand.
@@JoshRzepkaMusic Thanks, in my case a tablet stand, no edge :(
Same thing, no breaks to rest, but if I need both hands I get clumsy
I use a tablet sometimes, the holder that I use for the tablet has the slightest edge on one corner, I attach it to that. I may be able to share a picture or something tomorrow. Which tablet mount do you use?
Hi Josh. Love the videos! I've got to say that I don't have a lot of experience being mic'ed for gigs, but when I am, I definitely notice the issues you mentioned. I am curious how this works with wah mutes. Do you swing the microphone head off to the side of the bell? Do you ever have any problems with this?
Hey Aidan, thanks!! With a harmon (without the stem) I just adjust it to be tight at the end just an inch from the opening. For a cup mute I adjust it to be near the rim of the bell in the gap. In some scenarios it's going to be a bit tricky, so for a "wah" effect I just extend it all the way and it's in a decent position. On rare occasion I'll attach the mic to my music stand and play at it as though it's a stationary mic (for plunger/complicated mute work) - but that has only been a few times. Generally speaking if it's that involved it's pit/large ensemble work, and that's either acoustic or just a mic on a stand. You just have to weigh what's going to work best overall.
@@JoshRzepkaMusic. Thank you!
Yeah , Nice Video==)
Glad you liked it!
I was a little distracted by the gorgeous trumpet you were holding. What kind of a trumpet is that?
That is a Shires trumpet, model AHW
Thanks again Josh. Any feedback on the Shure PGA98H-XLR Cardioid Condenser? I play trumpet in a three piece with two guitars. I am looking to invest in this model for our Friday and Sat. nights at a restaurant. Any advice would be appreciated. Love your videos.
Sure thing. I don't have any experience with that microphone so I unfortunately can't comment on it. They might have some info on their website? I'd look at the frequency response and other technical details to see how the two of them compare sonically. Someone at Sweetwater might be able to get that information too ... and a great place to pic up microphones too.
@@JoshRzepkaMusic Thanks again. Great videos!
I love my Beta98 too. No one has ever complained about me bringing mine either. I use it for everything except small group acoustic jazz stuff. Definitely use it for the higher louder stuff.
So will this work on any wireless system?
There are two versions, a wired and wireless. The Beta 98H/C is what I have, the WB98H/C has the connector for the wireless pack. I believe the only difference is the connector (XLR vs TA4F connector), and I believe there is an adapter you can get if you have the wired version and want to plug it into the pack.
I’m not certain if it will work on *any* wireless system, that’s a question I’d message Shure about, or call someone at Sweetwater and chat with them - they have great training on the gear.
Thanks. I should have thought of that.
6:32 mike type
Shure Beta 98/H
So many words...
The claim that a guitar or bass is giving out a "digital" signal is of course nonsense.
Semantics, my apologies. I was obviously speaking to the difference between an acoustic and amplified instrument and how that impacts playing trumpet on certain gigs. I suppose it would have been more accurate had I said an "analog electric" signal. Nevertheless, whether it's digitized 1s, and 0s, or an analog signal that's been transferred via electric pickup, at the end of the day it's not exactly an acoustic instrument like a trumpet. Acoustic instruments are limited in volume by a number of parameters, and playing louder isn't as simple as turning a dial, pushing a fader, or plugging into a more powerful PA. An electric guitar, bass, keyboard, doesn't emit enough sound (if any) to be heard in a gig setting without plugging into an amp or PA.
I can not believe this guy talked for 9 minutes without even mentioning anything about excessive trumpet valve noise on clip-on microphones. Nobody talks about it. Is it a taboo subject or what?
Thanks for checking out my video. I’ve yet to have a single sound engineer ever mention any valve noise while using a clip on, is that a common occurrence with you? I’ve literally used it on hundreds of shows, in concert halls, with orchestras, pits, jazz club, and I’ve even tracked for live TV and recording sessions with no issues. So no, I didn’t mention it as it’s never been a consideration.
I have a superlux and the valve noise is bad through the PA. You need to roll off all the low frequencies. However, I am interested if the Shure doesn't have this problem.
DPA clip-on microphones are mounted in a way that doesn't pick up valve or slide noise.