@@therasmeteasily could explain it by saying he wasn’t actually part of the tardis so splitting it didn’t split him, or that as a god the toymaker doesn’t have any power to affect him like that, or a host of easily accepted explanations
It goes to show the Groaning Sound did in fact manifest because of the Mavity Paradox. Susan Twist made her first appearance there and while Susan Triad may be mixed up in the Sutekh plot, she and her duplicates are not part of his design, it's a signal from somewhere to get Mavity back to Gravity to seal the paradox.
I think it's very wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey. IMHO, Sutekh first grasped on during Pyramids of Mars. But it wasn't until WBY when the Doctor was at the edge of the universe that Sutekh was really able to reach back from the Time Vortex and have an impact on the world. But once that happened for 14, Sutekh had been sowing Susan Triad through the universe during 4-13.
I seen people review this anniversary and they are giving it stick. I will say I watch these two episodes every week and these 2 episodes have been far better than any of Chris episodes and they are great episodes we had ever since Moffat and Peter left the show. This show feel like Doctor Who again that we knew a long time ago.
If you enjoyed them, that's all that matters. I did think that 'The Giggle' was a very busy episode, felt very weirdly paced but was still brilliant. The Toymaker was as amazing as a threat as always. Wild Blue Yonder was a great ep, felt like classic Who even if I did think sometimes they did special effects just for using special effects (like the weird Doctor spider walk). Star Beast was probably my least favorite, but compared to some of the hate i've seen it wasnt THAT bad, just my least favorite of the 3.
So the sound started here but the the weird thing is this is 14s tardis. 15s is also making the sounds and his is a copy. So he who waits is also with 14?
@serina3872 well that doesn't make sense as 14s tardis was 15s without the juke box. 15 hits it with a hammer and makes a second tardis comes out exactly the same but with a door ramp and juke box. 14 goes in to check it out. He then goes back to the og, then 15 quickly runs into the new tardis and tries to fly off with it.
Guys watch the Pyramids of Mars it’s a Doctor Who episode with Tom Baker and Elizabeth Sladen watch it it will all make sense this clip and those episodes your understand perfectly the end of the episode
that same groan sound has been heard a lot in the recent episodes and its not the usual indigestion sound, i wonder if it signifies the nearby arrival of a susan twist fragment into that part of time
SPOILERS if this is the first time that groan sound is heard, and its been heard multiple times leading up to sutekh’s reveal as being woven into the tardis, was this the moment he attacked and joined with it? if so, does that mean sutekh was also doubled when the tardis got cloned in the giggle?
Realizing the "groaning sound" started back in this episode, and now knowing wtf was happening...damn.
Before the salt too
Worst plot hole now have to explain 14's Tardis duplicate. Do we have 2 Sutekh's lol?
@@therasmeteasily could explain it by saying he wasn’t actually part of the tardis so splitting it didn’t split him, or that as a god the toymaker doesn’t have any power to affect him like that, or a host of easily accepted explanations
It goes to show the Groaning Sound did in fact manifest because of the Mavity Paradox. Susan Twist made her first appearance there and while Susan Triad may be mixed up in the Sutekh plot, she and her duplicates are not part of his design, it's a signal from somewhere to get Mavity back to Gravity to seal the paradox.
And now with even more context, discovering the groaning had no reason to start at this point…
I think this is the moment sutekh latches onto the TARDIS when it was in a weakened state
Nope. _Much_ longer
nah somehow before
Litterally says in the episode it latched on when the doctor cast him in the time vortex, apparently a lot of people missed that part
@@goose2574 id like to point out I made this original post before empire of death came out, so I was speculating at the time
I think it's very wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey. IMHO, Sutekh first grasped on during Pyramids of Mars. But it wasn't until WBY when the Doctor was at the edge of the universe that Sutekh was really able to reach back from the Time Vortex and have an impact on the world. But once that happened for 14, Sutekh had been sowing Susan Triad through the universe during 4-13.
That groaning noise from the TARDIS sounds mad familiar…Wild fr…
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Hi Rin.
I seen people review this anniversary and they are giving it stick. I will say I watch these two episodes every week and these 2 episodes have been far better than any of Chris episodes and they are great episodes we had ever since Moffat and Peter left the show. This show feel like Doctor Who again that we knew a long time ago.
If you enjoyed them, that's all that matters. I did think that 'The Giggle' was a very busy episode, felt very weirdly paced but was still brilliant. The Toymaker was as amazing as a threat as always. Wild Blue Yonder was a great ep, felt like classic Who even if I did think sometimes they did special effects just for using special effects (like the weird Doctor spider walk). Star Beast was probably my least favorite, but compared to some of the hate i've seen it wasnt THAT bad, just my least favorite of the 3.
Such a good episode! Felt like doctor who
Whos here after empire of death?
Always thought the tardis regenerated automatically. But gotta love the old gal she's awesome.
probably depends. sometimes it does but clearly sometimes it needs to be activated manually
It's probably like a medic putting someone in the recovery position
Sutekh must have been sick after Donna did it again.
Well uh.
Uh oh.
It's crazy how long they've been foreshadowing this...
So the sound started here but the the weird thing is this is 14s tardis. 15s is also making the sounds and his is a copy. So he who waits is also with 14?
As there at the edge of the universe and probably close to the void this is probably wheh sutekh jumped onto the tardis and escaped
Sutekh clung to the TARDIS the first time the Doctor tried to get rid of him.
I was kind of expecting a new tardis exterior design
I thought it would be similar but maybe some new paint and chairs.
the interior doors don’t match the exterior so i think she’s gearing up to shed skin
@@tonoornottonoshe’s not a lizard 🙄🤦♂️
Please could you post the scene where the doctor accidentally leaves donna
but mam, my arms to long
0:13 Sutekh
Wired thing is this is the original tardis. 15s is a copy so sutekh should be with 14 unless he moved to 15s tardis.
@@metascrub285 apparently Russell confirmed in an interview or something that 15th's is the original, 14th's tardis is the copy
@serina3872 well that doesn't make sense as 14s tardis was 15s without the juke box. 15 hits it with a hammer and makes a second tardis comes out exactly the same but with a door ramp and juke box. 14 goes in to check it out. He then goes back to the og, then 15 quickly runs into the new tardis and tries to fly off with it.
I’m not having it no one here worked out that a god was effecting it
Guys watch the Pyramids of Mars it’s a Doctor Who episode with Tom Baker and Elizabeth Sladen watch it it will all make sense this clip and those episodes your understand perfectly the end of the episode
I watched Pyramids of Mars after watching the most recent episode just to understand who Suetekh was.
that same groan sound has been heard a lot in the recent episodes and its not the usual indigestion sound, i wonder if it signifies the nearby arrival of a susan twist fragment into that part of time
Only had to wait an hour and your question would be answered haha
SPOILERS:
yeah literally me going to the internet to find the sound when doc said that he's heard the sound before XD
doesn’t the key bring it back
Hostile action. The tardis detected it and left to wait for the hostile people to leave.
SPOILERS
if this is the first time that groan sound is heard, and its been heard multiple times leading up to sutekh’s reveal as being woven into the tardis, was this the moment he attacked and joined with it? if so, does that mean sutekh was also doubled when the tardis got cloned in the giggle?
go all the way back to The Impossible Planet and The Satin Pit
The TARDIS also groaned coming in to land, but that noise is never explained.
@@Maeve_Rose i mean that specific groan sound, its the exact same every time since wild blue yonder
@@brookse746 its actually a bit different every time. its never the same groan.
@@Maeve_Rose yeah but in the episodes since wild blue yonder its always been a very distinct groan sound
@@brookse746 Its the new Devil Cloister Bell.
This season sucked ass. Least RTD could foreshadow over a season thoigh :p