I thought it was a really nice touch how Kukulkan was their word for the Feathered SERPENT God and they made his wings kinda sound like rattlesnake rattles Also the siren song stuff was really interesting to me as well Honestly the Talokan stuff was my absolute favorite, and I can't wait to revisit it!!
The entire theatre was dead silent during the Chadwick Marvel logo. It was a very powerful moment. The same happened late in the film when Shuri got stabbed. We were all gripped all the way through
One of my favorite Parts in the movie that brought a true tear to my eye is when M'Baku shouted, "The Black Panther lives!" 🤎 I felt in that moment that hope return to Wakanda!
I cried the whole movie. As a Mexican man who never gets to see our ancestors in. Blockbuster movies i cried, i had a physical and happy reaction to seeing Namor's home. It was beautiful and beyond what i imagined. I am forever grateful to Ryan Coogler for bringing us to this story. Simply amazing.
I love Okoye, but I agreed with the queen. In any other situation if this was real life she would have been fired as well. That scene alone gave me chills in the trailer and I was Overwhelmed in the theater when The Queen said what she said. It’s sad because the people who are saying this movie was terrible are just those people who are team recast Tchalla and where never going to give the movie a chance in the first place.
@@dmtt9682 forget all this people saying Wakanda Forever is bad. This movie is taking over the world, to much quality here + ... we still have T'Challa 👶🏿
I think it's okay for Nakia (Lupita N'ongo) to be the "softer" female character. There needs to be a variety of African women representation besides the "strong" warrior woman archetype that we see too much of. Best movie of the year!
100% agree. Strength and femininity have multitudes, just like people do. And her being different to the other marvel women is a strength in my opinion.
i didn’t think Nakia being softer detracted from her character. I think it made her stand out from the other female characters. Her motherliness is a big part of her, with her son and the school she started, so i thought it worked really well.
Grace has a one dimensional version of what makes a good character. It’s very American. Unless they’re aggressively driven towards their goals and prepared to sacrifice everything to meet their goals, she thinks they have no value.
I’m not sure if I buy his flying faster than some of those ships. If his flight was hobbled after Shuri ripped off one of his ankle wings, we’re supposed to believe they’re the only thing giving him his ability to fly. His speed and acceleration vs the size of those wings would beg to differ.
I’m Mexican and I absolutely *LOVED* the naming convention behind Namor in this movie - I’ve also always said “NAY-mor,” but the flashback conveying that slaveholder calling him “sin amor,” and Namor wearing that as a badge of honor, explaining the new pronunciation - I thought it was absolutely amazing.
I watched it yesterday in Paris, France. One of the best parts of the entire movie was Queen Ramonda's entrance at the United Nations. It was so regal, so imperious, so gracious. The entire movie audience was stunned and shut to its quietest state.
@@MooneShadow Yeah, they screwed up on that one. Ms Marvel has a good fanbase outside the MCU they could have capitalize on. They broke their own rules by changing too much.
It was definitely bittersweet... as a Mexican/US citizen i loved all of the beautiful Mexican representation... but damn i missed Chadwick. I didn't cry until the very end when his son came out... i mean like coldplay "fix you" crying!! Omg it was a perfect film! 🥰
I agree that M'Baku could have been handled better. But the work they did with Namor... just amazing. And funny thing, he got what he wanted! An alliance with Wakanda! Honestly the "bad guy" got away with his goal. Honestly I hope Ryan Coogler gets to have an input about von Doom and Latveria. I get chills with what he could do with the character.
@@hothotheat3000 lol, Well Shuri and Namor did have great chemistry. But Shuri tends to have great chemistry with everyone including Boseman, the White Wolf, etc. Not romantic but just a good rapport.
@juan manuel hornos Ryan coogler seems to do a really good job when it comes to introducing different nations like wakandans, talokans I agree he would be perfect for introducing the latverians and victor von doom
Maybe Nakia's "softness" was meant to counterbalance all that upfront strength the other female characters in the movie show. If you kinda sideline "classic" male characters by letting female characters fill their spots (no critique, just a trail of thought why Nakia was written that way), you also omit more classical female roles. Broadens the spectrum a bit. Like you can still be cool and badass *and* on the softer side.
Right! I was annoyed by Grace's narrow minded comment. African women come in many forms from tough to soft. She was the love interest but also a badazz too.
Definitely! Nakia felt like a voice of reason to Shuri but she was too consumed of vengeance. I think even in BP Nakia is softer compared to other female characters and I love it
@@CYeoung , the word "absent" lacks context inherently. The father is absent for x, y, z, reason. You don't have to ASSIGN the worst case scenario (a deadbeat father who abandoned them). She was taking about Hollywood having an *abundance of "Black father is absent" narratives/representation; and how that's contentious with many viewers. Just like "gay torment" narratives getting Hollywood's green-light, rather than "queer excellence/thriving" narratives.
Hats off Ryan Coogler, he’s a freaking genius, this is not perfect movie, but he did his best, with what he had to work with, because of the passing of Chadwick, this was a very fun movie, action packed, superb acting, a great, great story line, CGI/ visual effects was better than the first. Planning on seeing it a second time.
This is a great, balanced review. Not perfect (with a lot of ideas juggled) but Coogler had to change tack after Chadwick's passing and did his best, as did most of the cast.
Lupita was amazing - not only was her acting and emotional turns on par with everyone elses, the language and code switching she did throughout, her spy skills, were excellent and made me want to see more of this character - a different type of powerful woman in the movie
There was a moment in the movie where Shuri was reflecting and there was no music playing, the whole theatre was also dead silent in that moment... very moving
I really appreciated her softness. It provided balance and variety in how the women dealt with such a tragic situation overall. She participated in the final battle on the ship so she was willing to possibly die for Wakanda, I can’t really imagine a braver act.
now I want to see a Nakia series with her traveling around the world speaking so many languages doing disguises while raising her son and training him to be a fighter
I think it’s safe to say that a LOT of us, if not all of us...completely UNDERESTIMATED Letitia & her range! She most definitely OVERDELIVERED! I mean ABOVE & BEYOND pulled off every single aspect of her character’s arc! And that’s an extremely hard & demanding/challenging arc to take on! If this wasn’t a superhero movie...but instead just a family drama about grief, Shuri’s/Letitia’s emotional story arc goes to places that most actors would KILL to get the chance to sink their teeth in & prove how meaty and how great the role is! She did all THAT and the fact that she succeeded, the way she did, with all odds against her, not only due to bad press/on set conflicts/injuries & Ofcourse losing Chadwick in Real Life...is honestly a Glorious Triumph that speaks volumes on her talent & skills!!! Everyone is rooting for Queen Ramonda/Angela Bassett to get a nomination and so am I...but IMO...it’s Letitia that carried this film and deserves an Academy Nomination/Recognition! Hands down! What a gripping piece of cinema!!! Not a lot of films delving as deeply into grief like WAKANDA Forever! So needed in today’s culture/society!!! 🙏🏼⚡️🕯🖤🐯🙅🏻♂️🚀🎉☀️
I think Danai did amazing. She deserves a nomination. It was her performance in the scene with Angela that did it for me, her reaction to getting fired
I didnt mind that Shuri didn’t take the throne and mantle. She’s said that she’s the Brains behind the scenes and the throne isn’t something she’s been drawn too…and in a way she was honoring Embaku for taking care of all the Wakandians during their time of need. She’ll continue working on tech which is her love/passion that she acquired from her big brother and be the protector of Wakanda. Also I caught that they called her Panther instead of Princess at the end. This movie was beautiful and it feels like old school moving Marvel that we’ve been missing. The lack of Okeye in this movie was criminal but other than that I loved the movie. 8.5/10
@@fahimalfaisal7781 This movie wasn’t tied to the others as much and stood on its own and is just connected to the first Black Panther. This is just my opinion your entitled to yours as well and you don’t even know my opinion on the rest of phase 4 lol
@@fahimalfaisal7781 Wakanda Forever isn’t typical of a Marvel film. It strikes a more poignant tone and tackles the depths of grief throughout, and the different ways in which people handle it. It includes only one after credits scene which furthers the contained story. To me personally this gave me the feels….just like I felt watching some of marvels iconic entry’s. I’m not comparing it to those films as again this a different type of marvel movie in many ways but when I see a movie (any movie in general) I love getting “the feels” of just feeling something when I watch them.
@@OcularAMVs She was missing after she was fired from the end of the film. But compared to the first she was in the movie more I think her she was sidelined a bit again my opinion you don’t have to agree I’m just saying I wanted more
So suprised that the reviews are much more mixed than I thought. It was such a satisfying movie. Such moving tribute to Chadwick, the performances was really good, and Naymor is a beast. I really really loved it.
Letitia wright’s performance was really not good. The sad parts were mostly sad but the fight scenes were lifeless. Thus, I think a lot of people found it dull. And the character decisions generally seemed stupid. There was no strategy, no cleverness. Which is odd given that Shuri is supposed to be the intellectual sibling.
"A movie where after the initial shock and awe wears off, you realize that it's actually about Shuri's emotional journey of accepting her brother's death." I kinda realized that while I was watching the movie.
The reason Namor killed the queen is because when Shuri and Riri were rescued. He felt that the queen defied his order. He told her that if a single ship came near his home or if anyone tried to rescue the girls he would attack wakanda and that's what he did. I do think she defied him in a lot of their interactions and he made a statement by taking her down.
@@ms.bubs4fun506 Of course she doesn't, never said she did. I'm saying she resisted negotiations so he being a tyrant, attacked her nation to kill Riri and her as a bonus.
@@actuallyitsjustbo He told her he would kill her and that's exactly what he did. When Nakia set off into the water to invade & save Shuri, I knew Queen Ramonda was a goner.
Namor and Talokan was so well realised and I love how Marvel has managed to make the character names have a meaning behind it like with Namor and The Scarlet Witch, both of which are my favourite characters. I didn't know much about Namor but after watching this movie, it has made a Namor fan. As for Shuri, I agree with Marvel decision for her to give up her throne. She is not someone that wants to rule a kingdom. As for M'Baku, we'll just have to see what comes next and how they handle it. Okoye, has one my favorite scenes during her firing, performance was so amazing. As for Lupita Nyong'o, I'm sad that she doesn't have a bigger role in the film. Looking at her in this movie, I really thought that she would've made a great Storm if she wasn't Nakia already, since she exudes such regalness and is so beautiful.
Did you notice how during the movie that her hair was normal like Tchalla was, but when she started to take on Killmonger‘s revenge persona her hair changed to the way Killmonger wore he is in the first movie.
Grace, that last scene with Shuri showing clips of TChalla with no music at all was my favorite.. big guys beside me are crying.. raw emotions, Shuri honored his brother
The mid credit scene of this movie might be my favourite one of all Marvel movies, not a hint for future movies but simply made the movie more complete
I can NOT believe they killed Queen Ramonda!! Like we lost BOTH BP and the QUEEN!? Wtf. This was insane!! Shuri lost her dad, brother AND mother!! Geez.
That fight scene on the bridge was great. Not only the action but the choice of no music. Just the sound of the characters and combat. Great call by Ryan.
That writing room really sorted out alot of storytelling issues that could've arisen with Chadwick Boseman's death. It was very smoothly done. And as for the motivations of Namor & Talokan it was also smoothly done. There weren't many sore thumbs in terms of coherent storytelling. Well done.
He was amazing especially his sequence taking out the wakandan ships during that attack scene. Loved Cooglers choice to focus on his wings in that scene.
I'm really glad to see that people are loving Namor and not hating him. I loved Ryan Cooglers choice on using the Wings on his feet to have Namor dart around like a hummingbird in the air and how he fights overall.
I for sure thought they killed off Namor when Shuri blew up the vibranium engine while he was in close proximity to it. Glad this movie avoided the Marvel proclivity of killing off its villains and losing potentially great ones like Killmonger and Wenwu.
Great review, Grace. Just a heads up that Shuri did actually have a fight with Namor in the comics around the time she first became the new Black Panther. She even used the same dehydration method to weaken him in that fight if I remember it right.
I loved the opening i found it very moving. I really loved the whole film. Coogler did a great job of expanding the world and i love the themes explored in this film.
I like Thursday night shows because of the crowd reactions. Watching days of future past, people cheered when Famke Jansen appeared. During infinity war, they gasped when characters got dusted. And endgame was unforgettable. During the Marvel intro with the Chadwick Boseman clips and the end with Shuri on the beach, my whole theater was silent. There was an entire extended family in the row in front of me and the guy next to me reacted to everything (including Annabelle in the Shazam trailer). You could have heard a ping drop. It was as unforgettable as all those others.
Absolutely enthralled by the film. I didn’t rave on the first one as others had but people will be lucky if I shut up about this one. As a man, I completely feel the representation and spotlight of the women in this film justified Grace. It was so refreshing, beautiful and powerful in ways I can’t seem to imagine, and it makes me feel proud of Couglar and the writers for finding such a full circle way of telling this story. Also, I’m a bit of a long form story lover myself, so all the emphasis from BP 1 and it’s influence of each characters decision in this chapter offered so much parallel, meaning and history. I truly feel Marvel is back on track and what am honor to Chadwick❤ Wakanda Forever Ps, I think any of your grievances or just necessary evils to story telling BUT the Midnight Angels helmet can be readjusted to say the least haha
Just saw the movie... Definitely cried man tears several times... Okoye was AMAZING in the movie... LOVED Riri... They both had some of my favorite scenes... And that scene with Shuri Panther on the side of the ship was one of the best MCU action scenes imo... And good lord... Namor is freaking SCARY
I've seen it twice now and the biggest takeaway I had from a second viewing is that as well as Letitia Wright's performance being gut wrenching and powerful, her anger and hurt are so palpable and written so well. It's a natural progression for someone who has lost everything and it's handled with class and care. Again, Letitia Wright was extraordinary.
I just saw it and it was absolutely amazing! Ryan Coogler did an amazing job! I loved how Shuri wrestled with being like her cousin or her brother. It was very sad how Shuri lost everything but gained a nephew! So she still has family!
What a perfect final scene. The mid credits scene was great but I would have been completely content to end on the shot of Shuri at the fire finally mourning.
Loved it. Great review Grace. My only issue: 1. RiRi had nothing to do. She reminded me of America Chavez and felt like a mandatory insert from Disney. 2. The editing could have been a little tighter and cut 10-15 minutes. 3. The midnight angels stuff was weak . EVERYTHING ELSE WAS DOPE.
I loved everything about this film, can't stop thinking about so many different scenes from Namor and Shuri going to Talocan (the soundtrack of that scene), the relationship between Namor and Shuri, the action sequences (some were so good), the emotional beats overall, Okoye getting fired, the call backs to BP 1, Shuri's Skywalker moment, Namor overall, and that final scene of Shuri at the beach. I think it surpasses the first for me
Honestly when Namor mentioned the word mutant and said imperius rex, I literally gasped. I also gasped when Val showed up. I watched this movie in Korea, but the audience barely reacted to anything the whole movie, I just know if I were back in the states the reactions for this movie would have been better but oh well. I still enjoyed the movie very much!
Chadwick Boseman would have NEVER wanted the T’Challa character to die with him as a way to honor his death. T’Challa was too valuable to the culture…people ruined it. And then for T’Challa to die so similarly to how Chadwick Boseman did?! Taking away the uniqueness of Wakanda by making so there’s other places to find vibranium?? I admit Ryan Coogler did AN AMAZING JOB with the impossible task he was given, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to pretend like he didn’t drop the ball in some major ways too 🤦🏾♂️😔
Just got out of this movie so my thoughts are super fresh. Loved the performances and the way Coogler & company handled every big decision here. The big story points were perfect, with the parallels between Shuri and Namor, Shuri and T'Challa, and Shuri and Killmonger. Expert stuff. My nitpicks with the movie were underwhelming third act big fight sequence on the boat (but I loved Shuri vs Killmonger final fight), the weird cuts and general poor editing, and the occasional line here and there. Overall, so phenomenal! I'm all for Coogler directing Secret Wars!
Namor is so menacing and charming, Tenoch Hureta nailed it 👌. Angela Bassett, oh my god she was amazing! Her scenes with Danai Gurira are so good, it’s a slam dunk to get Bassett an Oscar nom. And I want her to win. This is the first MCU movie where I felt they used all the actors amazingly and let them pour their heart into the craft. This year is the year where I felt old Hollywood style of film with Everything Everywhere All At Once, Top Gun 2, and The Woman King are back. I thought M’Baku was amazing. With little screen time he ate. Such a tempered man but can show such great humbleness when the time calls for it. Shuri’s journey is cathartic and she really proved she can be a leader and a hero.
I’ve just gotten back from the screening - incredible! One thing i realised Grace, after your comment about the de-humidifier and Namor, is the quick quip from Okoye at the end of the scene where she and Shuri collect Riri. She made a joke about Riri bringing her “heater” as her weapon. Turns out, a “heater” is exactly the weapon needed to weaken Namor 🤷🏻♂️ again, more tiny, brilliant and intelligent details by Mr Coogler 👏🏻
I watched it this afternoon in an almost empty Theater (just how I like it) and it's a beautiful and touching movie. I'm so in love with Namor, and I love that he's not big and buff like thor and all these other steroids ads models. If course he's fit but like in a way that is achievable without the juice. Loved it. And love all his jewelry one of the best costumes designs in all of marvel.
Having T'Chala and Nakia have a son was perfect!!. Automatically tugs on the heart strings of the audience. Makes it easier for him to take on the mantle when its time. He's only 6 but these are comic book films. What is time really?lol
I didn't see the emasculation with M'baku. He acted as a mentor to Shuri as he had promised her brother. He served the queen amd Shuri very well. Is he only represented well if he's the one in charge? I think an honorable man also shows loyalty, compassion, and wisdom to those around him. He gracefully accepted his role and performed well. He was trustworthy and I'm sure Shuri had no issues allowing him to bid for king. She didn't want it for herself.
I'd heard the notion that M'baku wasn't given enough to do, then he kept showing up to fight N-amor and be part of the council. I felt he had a story arc of being the leader of a separate tribe, fighting to be the king of Wakanda, then accepting his role as being an aide to the king in the first movie and _Infinity War._ In this he's a warrior-advisor who thinks he could have fought and protected Wakanda better than the Dora Milaje, before getting beat by N-amor. Then finally showing he cares about the people enough to relocate them and advises Shuri not to wage an unending war, making him worthy of the throne. If anyone it was Everett Ross (Martin Freeman) who didn't have enough to do. There are so many movies that are nearly all male characters, that we could use the reverse for a change as long as they don't deprecate men.
I’m Black and non-binary, not a man, but I didn’t feel like M’Baku was emasculated at all. It felt more like the story and the stakes were more personal for Shuri, Okoye and Nakia etc. so we focused on them more. And M’Baku once again not wanting to get involved in the fight (although for more justifiable reasons) feels in character for him
This movie was a big step in representation. It was emotional in so many levels. As a Latina seeing mesoamerica representation on screen so well done made me get emotional. It was so great!
When the midnight angel showed up my friend freaked out. He’s big on the last black Panther run and he said for him it made the movie. Love letter to the comic
The naval ship scene with the Talokan peoples was incredible! With the mesmerizing song and hynosis, kinda reminded me of the ship scene from Winter Soldier
I loved it. I watched it with my mother. Aa a man mostly growing up with women, I had no issues with the portrayal of men and all the strong women in this film. Namor is easily one of the best mcu villains. I cried so many times...jeez haha. The opening together with the complete altered silent mcu roll left me speechless and in tears, same as the end. Best mcu phase 4 film for me (sry shang-chi) and putting the black panther franchise at my top of mcu franchises (previously gotg).
The movie the only issue that I had was in my theater some of the nighttime and underwater scenes were hard to see because the things were just too dark. I don’t know if it was the screen that I was watching it on or what, but I could hardly see what was happening on the screen. Other than that I love the movie and damn near cried when his son came out.
@@ItsJamieon The first time Namor nation attacked the boat and the first time Shuri and the queen encountered Namor. those things were extremely dark and I could hardly see what was happening on the screen.
I saw the movie today, and I loved it. I didn't see any of the gender issues that you referred to. The nation stood together, and fought as one. It's not about being the "Star", it's about doing your part. (I'm also black, so the representation also meant a lot... That's probably why I wasn't bothered by the supposedly "weak" male role. It wasn't weak, or emasculating... In the final analysis, we'll rise, or fall together. So they were right to play their role, and not try to grab the spotlight. Tomorrow is another day, and our time will come.)
Shuri's character arc in this film is like her brothers in Civil War but the circumstances on her part feels kinda worst. i'll need to rewatch it again to take better notes on the comparison of each character arcs.
Yeah I'm sure I don't have the exact quotes right but when T'Challa let Zemo live, he said "Vengeance has consumed you. I will not let it consume me." And Shuri said to Namor something to the effect of "Vengeance has consumed us. I will not let it consume our people."
I thought it was trying to do A LOT and I don’t know that it accomplishes everything. They handled the death of Tchalla very well, but Act 2 gets a bit bogged down with the world building for Namor’s kingdom and establishing Riri. Angela Bassett is phenomenal here. I noticed early on that she had a lot of screen time and I thought “oh, she’s going to die for sure” and it was so sad to see.
I think the France thing in the beginning was a slight criticism of their relationship with their former W.African colonies (especially since the attack took place in Mali).
This movie had a lot to do, and it did it with integrity and a lot of heart. I really think they knocked it outta the park. Can’t wait to see it again.
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I like how Namor moved like a hummingbird, which is the representation of the Mayan and Aztec god of war.
That's so interesting! I didn't even realize until you said this! The way he moved looked so amazing on screen
I thought it was a really nice touch how Kukulkan was their word for the Feathered SERPENT God and they made his wings kinda sound like rattlesnake rattles
Also the siren song stuff was really interesting to me as well
Honestly the Talokan stuff was my absolute favorite, and I can't wait to revisit it!!
@@emiliohernandez7214 Amen brother
I liked the part when Shuri ripped off one of his wings
Thank you for this
The entire theatre was dead silent during the Chadwick Marvel logo. It was a very powerful moment. The same happened late in the film when Shuri got stabbed. We were all gripped all the way through
Same here. Dead silence
One of my favorite Parts in the movie that brought a true tear to my eye is when M'Baku shouted, "The Black Panther lives!" 🤎 I felt in that moment that hope return to Wakanda!
When Namor said to Shuri “You are the Queen now” I was like whoa 🤯 he’s not playing.
Ya that was cool
Also “bury your dead. Mourn your losses”.
That was some cold shit
And he was actually toned down from the comic Namor and seemed more reasonable.
I didn't like the scene. an the response at the end where this was okay by Shuri made me not see this again...
I cried the whole movie. As a Mexican man who never gets to see our ancestors in. Blockbuster movies i cried, i had a physical and happy reaction to seeing Namor's home. It was beautiful and beyond what i imagined. I am forever grateful to Ryan Coogler for bringing us to this story. Simply amazing.
Pathetic
Same here! I understand now that representation matters.
❤❤❤❤❤… Coogler did an amazing job. He reminded everyone that it wasn’t just Africans that colonizers enslaved.
Righ there with you. I like knowing that my ancestors were represented here. And that i could potentially be like namors people. And blue
To be honest, Namor abandoned Mexico and went to live in Talocan. . .
Queen Ramonda firing General Okoye has got to be one of the best scenes in the MCU
Forreal, you couldn't even argue against her logic, lol. Like sorry Okoye.
I love Okoye, but I agreed with the queen. In any other situation if this was real life she would have been fired as well. That scene alone gave me chills in the trailer and I was Overwhelmed in the theater when The Queen said what she said. It’s sad because the people who are saying this movie was terrible are just those people who are team recast Tchalla and where never going to give the movie a chance in the first place.
@@dmtt9682 forget all this people saying Wakanda Forever is bad. This movie is taking over the world, to much quality here + ...
we still have T'Challa 👶🏿
Facts, I didn't want Okoye to get fired but I understood why Ramonda did that. That was a standout scene fr
She is so good I feel like she was yelling at me instead lol
I think it's okay for Nakia (Lupita N'ongo) to be the "softer" female character. There needs to be a variety of African women representation besides the "strong" warrior woman archetype that we see too much of. Best movie of the year!
100% agree. Strength and femininity have multitudes, just like people do. And her being different to the other marvel women is a strength in my opinion.
Best movie of the year? Cmon mate, thats a reach lol
Exactly everyone isn't the strong trope there are tons of soft and girly black women and they need representation as well
I agree. Nakia was good to be a feminine and softer character. It gave balance to the female characters
Nakia would have made a much better BP than Shuri. Letitia Wright was not good in this film.
i didn’t think Nakia being softer detracted from her character. I think it made her stand out from the other female characters. Her motherliness is a big part of her, with her son and the school she started, so i thought it worked really well.
Yes, definitely!
I also think it shows that she has been through the ringer and has had to remake herself.
Grace has a one dimensional version of what makes a good character. It’s very American. Unless they’re aggressively driven towards their goals and prepared to sacrifice everything to meet their goals, she thinks they have no value.
That scene between Okoye and Queen Ramonda is what’s gonna get Angela Bassett that Oscar nom and hopefully win.
The queen was beyond pissed...
Lol an Oscar nod.
@@havenht I mean when your husband is gone and your son is dead AND you're a political leader, you tend to get mad/stressed
@@havenht same
Movies not good enough.
They nailed Namor’s flight. Not saying the wings are lame, but showing them to be powerful. Perfect.
I’m not sure if I buy his flying faster than some of those ships. If his flight was hobbled after Shuri ripped off one of his ankle wings, we’re supposed to believe they’re the only thing giving him his ability to fly.
His speed and acceleration vs the size of those wings would beg to differ.
@@Antwannnn This.
@@Concepcion30 its def a stupid concept
@@azeezibnnaim blame comic book writers lmao, Namor is like 60 plus years old with that design.
@@murk4552 does that mean it’s not a stupid concept ? Also I was referring to the fact that if his wings are injured he can’t fly.
I’m Mexican and I absolutely *LOVED* the naming convention behind Namor in this movie - I’ve also always said “NAY-mor,” but the flashback conveying that slaveholder calling him “sin amor,” and Namor wearing that as a badge of honor, explaining the new pronunciation - I thought it was absolutely amazing.
Likewise. No-Love - is absolutely brilliant. I want to know who precisely thought of that.
It was very clever. I like how they did that 👍
Same
So you people live underwater?
@@ashajacob8362 yes
I watched it yesterday in Paris, France. One of the best parts of the entire movie was Queen Ramonda's entrance at the United Nations. It was so regal, so imperious, so gracious. The entire movie audience was stunned and shut to its quietest state.
So the audience was quiet while watching the movie. wow, imagine that
We just came out of a screening at La Defense and the whole cinema was clapping at the end
How’d they feel about Coogler/Feige/ Marvel/ Disney lol, choosing to make France the country trying to steal Vibranium from the Wakandans ?
I hope that's not the best part
@@apocalypsepow still Salty that Bp2 Will trounce BA
I liked that Namor confirmed he was a MUTANT .
He says he's a mutant in the movie. But it's hard sometimes with his accent to understand
Tgis was a better way to confirm mutants. MRS MARVEL does it in a cheesy way...
@@MooneShadow Yeah, they screwed up on that one. Ms Marvel has a good fanbase outside the MCU they could have capitalize on. They broke their own rules by changing too much.
@@bishop51807 I totally agree... it wasn't bad but it wasn't good.
She hulk was ... just bad. It broke my escape... I'll never watch it again...
I turned to my friend and said
Ha he said it he said the thing! Lol
Queen Ramonda was incredible, Namor was compelling and Shuri's dark Luke Skywalker Esk side was a fasincating development
I think Nakia and M'baku knew shuri saw killmonger well definetly nakia
It was definitely bittersweet... as a Mexican/US citizen i loved all of the beautiful Mexican representation... but damn i missed Chadwick. I didn't cry until the very end when his son came out... i mean like coldplay "fix you" crying!! Omg it was a perfect film! 🥰
I agree that M'Baku could have been handled better. But the work they did with Namor... just amazing. And funny thing, he got what he wanted! An alliance with Wakanda! Honestly the "bad guy" got away with his goal. Honestly I hope Ryan Coogler gets to have an input about von Doom and Latveria. I get chills with what he could do with the character.
I was scared for a second that they were setting up a romance with him and Shuri.
Mbaku wasn’t that great in the comics
@@hothotheat3000 lol, Well Shuri and Namor did have great chemistry. But Shuri tends to have great chemistry with everyone including Boseman, the White Wolf, etc. Not romantic but just a good rapport.
@@ms.bubs4fun506 She’s such a natural star I been saying this since the first movie, so I love this movie because it’s Shuri coming out party
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Ryan coogler seems to do a really good job when it comes to introducing different nations like wakandans, talokans
I agree he would be perfect for introducing the latverians and victor von doom
Maybe Nakia's "softness" was meant to counterbalance all that upfront strength the other female characters in the movie show. If you kinda sideline "classic" male characters by letting female characters fill their spots (no critique, just a trail of thought why Nakia was written that way), you also omit more classical female roles. Broadens the spectrum a bit. Like you can still be cool and badass *and* on the softer side.
Good point here
Right! I was annoyed by Grace's narrow minded comment. African women come in many forms from tough to soft. She was the love interest but also a badazz too.
Definitely! Nakia felt like a voice of reason to Shuri but she was too consumed of vengeance. I think even in BP Nakia is softer compared to other female characters and I love it
I would say Nakia was quieter and stealthier not SOFT
Didn’t care for the movie. Namor stuff was awesome, Wakanda stuff was pretty trash
The first appearance of the Talokans is sooo frightening.
True they are frightening in throughout the movie
Great sequence straight out of a horror film
The freaking score in that scene! amazing!
I was literally so scared of them. They do not show mercy. Not for a bit
Another reason why I will not touch the sea again. 🥶
T’Challa isn’t an “absent father” he died of an illness. HUGE difference Grace
Can you imagine Bruce Wayne dying of an illness offscreen? That's wack.
@@richierich7229 sorry? i guess cancer should have waited for filming to start just so you wouldn’t think it’s wack
@@CYeoung
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THANK YOU!
@@CYeoung , the word "absent" lacks context inherently. The father is absent for x, y, z, reason. You don't have to ASSIGN the worst case scenario (a deadbeat father who abandoned them).
She was taking about Hollywood having an *abundance of "Black father is absent" narratives/representation; and how that's contentious with many viewers. Just like "gay torment" narratives getting Hollywood's green-light, rather than "queer excellence/thriving" narratives.
I like how the Talocans did that mermaid/siren song, that folklore says was used to lure sailors into the water.
Aye, why you not on Twitter lol
It was eerily reminiscent of "Hoist the Colours"
It was trippy af! Its reminiscent to the stories of ancient cultures in both continents of sirens.
Yeah convenient how they did not use it on the Dora Milaje.
The sirens from Greek Mythology
The movie didn't really feel like 2+ hours, it went by so fast, i was so invested from the begining, the death of the queen really caught me off guard
My thoughts exactly
It really caught me off guard. Didn't think they would go there.
That was too much. So much loss is just a downer
I had the opposite reaction... it felt like I was stuck at the movie theater for a week! The Queen's death did serve for some comic relief, though.
@@cOcInternationalXThanatos Same
Hats off Ryan Coogler, he’s a freaking genius, this is not perfect movie, but he did his best, with what he had to work with, because of the passing of Chadwick, this was a very fun movie, action packed, superb acting, a great, great story line, CGI/ visual effects was better than the first. Planning on seeing it a second time.
Marvel need to fix up on their CGI, comparing this to the CGI in Andor and its such a higher level.
@@stevetrevor7004 ...and better scripts. They have turned into "quantity over quality"
This is a great, balanced review. Not perfect (with a lot of ideas juggled) but Coogler had to change tack after Chadwick's passing and did his best, as did most of the cast.
What action 🤔🤔
Lupita was amazing - not only was her acting and emotional turns on par with everyone elses, the language and code switching she did throughout, her spy skills, were excellent and made me want to see more of this character - a different type of powerful woman in the movie
You said it.
There was a moment in the movie where Shuri was reflecting and there was no music playing, the whole theatre was also dead silent in that moment... very moving
Bro it was crazy the theatre went dead silent, people stop eating pop corn I swear 😂😂
Damn 😐 can't wait to see it
Same in my theater, no one dared to make a sound. Very moving indeed 🥲
Was it at the very end? I loved that moment.
It was silent! I was clutching my invisible pearls dam it!
Grace, there are many black women like Nakia who acheive great things and dont need to be "hard" to get there.
Thank you! In Avengers, Wanda was definitely softer than Black widow so not sure why Nakia can't be a little softer than the warriors.
I really appreciated her softness. It provided balance and variety in how the women dealt with such a tragic situation overall. She participated in the final battle on the ship so she was willing to possibly die for Wakanda, I can’t really imagine a braver act.
@@justphil84 Very well said!
Whyte feminists tend to request black women be more masculine so as to be assured in their femininity. They don't want competition..
@@panthergod well said
now I want to see a Nakia series with her traveling around the world speaking so many languages doing disguises while raising her son and training him to be a fighter
bruh she looked so beautiful in the movie
Yes
@@80smodel63 yes
@@80smodel63 And that BOOTY! 🍑
In real life she is fluent in Spanish, it was great to listen to her speak it perfectly
I think it’s safe to say that a LOT of us, if not all of us...completely UNDERESTIMATED Letitia & her range!
She most definitely OVERDELIVERED!
I mean ABOVE & BEYOND pulled off every single aspect of her character’s arc! And that’s an extremely hard & demanding/challenging arc to take on!
If this wasn’t a superhero movie...but instead just a family drama about grief, Shuri’s/Letitia’s emotional story arc goes to places that most actors would KILL to get the chance to sink their teeth in & prove how meaty and how great the role is!
She did all THAT and the fact that she succeeded, the way she did, with all odds against her, not only due to bad press/on set conflicts/injuries & Ofcourse losing Chadwick in Real Life...is honestly a Glorious Triumph that speaks volumes on her talent & skills!!!
Everyone is rooting for Queen Ramonda/Angela Bassett to get a nomination and so am I...but IMO...it’s Letitia that carried this film and deserves an Academy Nomination/Recognition!
Hands down!
What a gripping piece of cinema!!!
Not a lot of films delving as deeply into grief like WAKANDA Forever!
So needed in today’s culture/society!!!
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Completely agree men, she carried this film on her shoulders!
She did great!!!!
Letitia also deserves a fair chance for Oscar nod
@@vokasimid5330 agreed!!! 💯
I think Danai did amazing. She deserves a nomination. It was her performance in the scene with Angela that did it for me, her reaction to getting fired
Kuggler did more w Namor than most comic book writers have in close to 80 years (w maybe the exception of John Byrne). What amazing writing!
It helps to have a diverse writing room!
A talented writer's room.
I didnt mind that Shuri didn’t take the throne and mantle. She’s said that she’s the Brains behind the scenes and the throne isn’t something she’s been drawn too…and in a way she was honoring Embaku for taking care of all the Wakandians during their time of need. She’ll continue working on tech which is her love/passion that she acquired from her big brother and be the protector of Wakanda. Also I caught that they called her Panther instead of Princess at the end. This movie was beautiful and it feels like old school moving Marvel that we’ve been missing. The lack of Okeye in this movie was criminal but other than that I loved the movie. 8.5/10
Old school marvel ?You’re acting like marvel trying something new doesn’t mean they’re not old school anymore ?WTF ?LOL
@@fahimalfaisal7781 This movie wasn’t tied to the others as much and stood on its own and is just connected to the first Black Panther. This is just my opinion your entitled to yours as well and you don’t even know my opinion on the rest of phase 4 lol
@@fahimalfaisal7781 Wakanda Forever isn’t typical of a Marvel film. It strikes a more poignant tone and tackles the depths of grief throughout, and the different ways in which people handle it. It includes only one after credits scene which furthers the contained story. To me personally this gave me the feels….just like I felt watching some of marvels iconic entry’s. I’m not comparing it to those films as again this a different type of marvel movie in many ways but when I see a movie (any movie in general) I love getting “the feels” of just feeling something when I watch them.
Lack of Okeye? She was everywhere in the movie?
@@OcularAMVs She was missing after she was fired from the end of the film. But compared to the first she was in the movie more I think her she was sidelined a bit again my opinion you don’t have to agree I’m just saying I wanted more
So suprised that the reviews are much more mixed than I thought. It was such a satisfying movie. Such moving tribute to Chadwick, the performances was really good, and Naymor is a beast. I really really loved it.
Letitia wright’s performance was really not good. The sad parts were mostly sad but the fight scenes were lifeless. Thus, I think a lot of people found it dull. And the character decisions generally seemed stupid. There was no strategy, no cleverness. Which is odd given that Shuri is supposed to be the intellectual sibling.
"A movie where after the initial shock and awe wears off, you realize that it's actually about Shuri's emotional journey of accepting her brother's death."
I kinda realized that while I was watching the movie.
Lol so u agree
Yeah but namor should of smacked it down. The toaster oven could have ahould have been more encompassing. Would have made more sense
The reason Namor killed the queen is because when Shuri and Riri were rescued. He felt that the queen defied his order. He told her that if a single ship came near his home or if anyone tried to rescue the girls he would attack wakanda and that's what he did. I do think she defied him in a lot of their interactions and he made a statement by taking her down.
The queen doesn't have to obey Namor. lol
@@ms.bubs4fun506 Of course she doesn't, never said she did. I'm saying she resisted negotiations so he being a tyrant, attacked her nation to kill Riri and her as a bonus.
If she didn’t have to save Riri she would have survived
@@acf5980 Yeah.. like I said it was a bonus for him. I guess I had to think about it to realize.
@@actuallyitsjustbo He told her he would kill her and that's exactly what he did. When Nakia set off into the water to invade & save Shuri, I knew Queen Ramonda was a goner.
Namor and Talokan was so well realised and I love how Marvel has managed to make the character names have a meaning behind it like with Namor and The Scarlet Witch, both of which are my favourite characters. I didn't know much about Namor but after watching this movie, it has made a Namor fan. As for Shuri, I agree with Marvel decision for her to give up her throne. She is not someone that wants to rule a kingdom. As for M'Baku, we'll just have to see what comes next and how they handle it. Okoye, has one my favorite scenes during her firing, performance was so amazing. As for Lupita Nyong'o, I'm sad that she doesn't have a bigger role in the film. Looking at her in this movie, I really thought that she would've made a great Storm if she wasn't Nakia already, since she exudes such regalness and is so beautiful.
I loved that the opening logo and the end of the movie held a moment of silence for Chadwick.
Did you notice how during the movie that her hair was normal like Tchalla was, but when she started to take on Killmonger‘s revenge persona her hair changed to the way Killmonger wore he is in the first movie.
YES!!! Loved that attention to detail and showed how accessible Killmonger’s rage was.
Grace, that last scene with Shuri showing clips of TChalla with no music at all was my favorite.. big guys beside me are crying.. raw emotions, Shuri honored his brother
The mid credit scene of this movie might be my favourite one of all Marvel movies, not a hint for future movies but simply made the movie more complete
I can NOT believe they killed Queen Ramonda!! Like we lost BOTH BP and the QUEEN!? Wtf. This was insane!! Shuri lost her dad, brother AND mother!! Geez.
In defense of the Midnight Angel (which I hated, by the way), we need all the armors we can get to have actual Armor Wars.
To me the final version just made them look like a Predator…
Like Mortal Kombat’s Cyrax and Sektor 😂
That fight scene on the bridge was great. Not only the action but the choice of no music. Just the sound of the characters and combat. Great call by Ryan.
That writing room really sorted out alot of storytelling issues that could've arisen with Chadwick Boseman's death. It was very smoothly done.
And as for the motivations of Namor & Talokan it was also smoothly done.
There weren't many sore thumbs in terms of coherent storytelling. Well done.
Chadwick Boseman is not T'challa.
Stfu, it was mid
@@richierich7229 K, we get it... you're the dumb loser troll in the comment threads. Congrats 🙄
Give Namor his standalone film ASAP!!
Loved Tenoch huerta in this film. 👏🏻👏🏻👑💕🔥🔥🔥🔥
I was so scared of him and his people. They show no mercy. And that was a brilliant choice
He was amazing especially his sequence taking out the wakandan ships during that attack scene. Loved Cooglers choice to focus on his wings in that scene.
I'm really glad to see that people are loving Namor and not hating him. I loved Ryan Cooglers choice on using the Wings on his feet to have Namor dart around like a hummingbird in the air and how he fights overall.
He was so freakin amazing and believable
I for sure thought they killed off Namor when Shuri blew up the vibranium engine while he was in close proximity to it. Glad this movie avoided the Marvel proclivity of killing off its villains and losing potentially great ones like Killmonger and Wenwu.
I really enjoyed that every female character were not powerful only for being women but because they had the skills to back it up.
Every time Angela Bassett said something I wanted to cry.. ughhh she’s the best!
That opening scene got me, I was in tears 😭
Rip Chadwick Boseman 💜👑
Namor was the best part of the movie, I loved every scene he was in and he was so cool, I want to see a lot more from him
Everyone was really good! It was well acted!
He should have gotten his own movie.
The poor character (Namor) from the comics was butchered in this horrible rendition which did him no favors.
@@zziicckk01 wut. i just watched it he was done perfectly!! imperius rex bitxh
@@doctormeme6563 Namor first interaction had him ignoring the queen and going off into his own monologue. That's totally comic book Namor
Great review, Grace. Just a heads up that Shuri did actually have a fight with Namor in the comics around the time she first became the new Black Panther. She even used the same dehydration method to weaken him in that fight if I remember it right.
Nice!
Didn't know that
I loved the opening i found it very moving. I really loved the whole film. Coogler did a great job of expanding the world and i love the themes explored in this film.
I like Thursday night shows because of the crowd reactions. Watching days of future past, people cheered when Famke Jansen appeared. During infinity war, they gasped when characters got dusted. And endgame was unforgettable.
During the Marvel intro with the Chadwick Boseman clips and the end with Shuri on the beach, my whole theater was silent. There was an entire extended family in the row in front of me and the guy next to me reacted to everything (including Annabelle in the Shazam trailer). You could have heard a ping drop. It was as unforgettable as all those others.
When Ramonda fired Okoye I felt like she was yelling at me. Great acting.
Shuri during the end fight with Namor doing two of T'Challa's signature moves was brilliant. And Namor dropping "Imperius Rex" mid fight...amazing
That "Imperious rex" confused me so much as someone who haven't read namor comics.
Same, what does it mean?
Seeing Haiti being part of this movie really touched my heart 🥲
Absolutely enthralled by the film. I didn’t rave on the first one as others had but people will be lucky if I shut up about this one. As a man, I completely feel the representation and spotlight of the women in this film justified Grace. It was so refreshing, beautiful and powerful in ways I can’t seem to imagine, and it makes me feel proud of Couglar and the writers for finding such a full circle way of telling this story. Also, I’m a bit of a long form story lover myself, so all the emphasis from BP 1 and it’s influence of each characters decision in this chapter offered so much parallel, meaning and history. I truly feel Marvel is back on track and what am honor to Chadwick❤ Wakanda Forever
Ps, I think any of your grievances or just necessary evils to story telling BUT the Midnight Angels helmet can be readjusted to say the least haha
Just saw the movie... Definitely cried man tears several times... Okoye was AMAZING in the movie... LOVED Riri... They both had some of my favorite scenes... And that scene with Shuri Panther on the side of the ship was one of the best MCU action scenes imo... And good lord... Namor is freaking SCARY
are man tears diffrent from regular tears?
In order not to cry I just kept munching popcorn. My theater clapped when they saw the dedication to Chadwick at the end😢
@@Concepcion30 Mine clapped at the end and the first time Shuri Panther suited up
@@tremilius yes
I've seen it twice now and the biggest takeaway I had from a second viewing is that as well as Letitia Wright's performance being gut wrenching and powerful, her anger and hurt are so palpable and written so well. It's a natural progression for someone who has lost everything and it's handled with class and care. Again, Letitia Wright was extraordinary.
She deserves a fair chance for Oscar nod
I just saw it and it was absolutely amazing! Ryan Coogler did an amazing job! I loved how Shuri wrestled with being like her cousin or her brother. It was very sad how Shuri lost everything but gained a nephew! So she still has family!
What a perfect final scene. The mid credits scene was great but I would have been completely content to end on the shot of Shuri at the fire finally mourning.
Lots of respect in the theatre for all of the setimental moments. Very much appreciated.
Whew that ending with “Lift Me Up” had me fighting back tears and I never cry at movies 😂😅
This movie blew me away. So emotional and so impactful.
Loved it. Great review Grace. My only issue:
1. RiRi had nothing to do. She reminded me of America Chavez and felt like a mandatory insert from Disney.
2. The editing could have been a little tighter and cut 10-15 minutes.
3. The midnight angels stuff was weak .
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS DOPE.
Trevor Noah is credited in the end credits as the voice of Griot, reprising his role from the first BP film.
That mid credit scene was absolutely beautiful. So well done and such a pleasant surprise😭😭
That shit was stupid! T’Challa Jr is dumb
I loved everything about this film, can't stop thinking about so many different scenes from Namor and Shuri going to Talocan (the soundtrack of that scene), the relationship between Namor and Shuri, the action sequences (some were so good), the emotional beats overall, Okoye getting fired, the call backs to BP 1, Shuri's Skywalker moment, Namor overall, and that final scene of Shuri at the beach. I think it surpasses the first for me
Ryan Coogler is a brilliant filmmaker. 👏🏿 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Honestly when Namor mentioned the word mutant and said imperius rex, I literally gasped. I also gasped when Val showed up. I watched this movie in Korea, but the audience barely reacted to anything the whole movie, I just know if I were back in the states the reactions for this movie would have been better but oh well. I still enjoyed the movie very much!
Chadwick Boseman would have NEVER wanted the T’Challa character to die with him as a way to honor his death. T’Challa was too valuable to the culture…people ruined it. And then for T’Challa to die so similarly to how Chadwick Boseman did?! Taking away the uniqueness of Wakanda by making so there’s other places to find vibranium?? I admit Ryan Coogler did AN AMAZING JOB with the impossible task he was given, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to pretend like he didn’t drop the ball in some major ways too 🤦🏾♂️😔
T'challa is still alive, though? Through his son. There'll now continue to be a T'challa. The character isn't dead
Just got out of this movie so my thoughts are super fresh. Loved the performances and the way Coogler & company handled every big decision here. The big story points were perfect, with the parallels between Shuri and Namor, Shuri and T'Challa, and Shuri and Killmonger. Expert stuff. My nitpicks with the movie were underwhelming third act big fight sequence on the boat (but I loved Shuri vs Killmonger final fight), the weird cuts and general poor editing, and the occasional line here and there. Overall, so phenomenal! I'm all for Coogler directing Secret Wars!
Namor is so menacing and charming, Tenoch Hureta nailed it 👌. Angela Bassett, oh my god she was amazing! Her scenes with Danai Gurira are so good, it’s a slam dunk to get Bassett an Oscar nom. And I want her to win. This is the first MCU movie where I felt they used all the actors amazingly and let them pour their heart into the craft. This year is the year where I felt old Hollywood style of film with Everything Everywhere All At Once, Top Gun 2, and The Woman King are back.
I thought M’Baku was amazing. With little screen time he ate. Such a tempered man but can show such great humbleness when the time calls for it. Shuri’s journey is cathartic and she really proved she can be a leader and a hero.
I loved it. I truly think the way the story is all brought together was beautiful. Definitely worth seen multiple times.
I think Ryan Coogler was able to solve so many problems so cleverly. My respect for him has sky rocketed.
@@SourBogBubble what does that have to do with what they said? Lol
@@SourBogBubble the same doctor strange 2 that made 950mil but go off
I’ve just gotten back from the screening - incredible! One thing i realised Grace, after your comment about the de-humidifier and Namor, is the quick quip from Okoye at the end of the scene where she and Shuri collect Riri. She made a joke about Riri bringing her “heater” as her weapon. Turns out, a “heater” is exactly the weapon needed to weaken Namor 🤷🏻♂️ again, more tiny, brilliant and intelligent details by Mr Coogler 👏🏻
Wonderful Grace! As a Haitian, I'm also happy that they would choose to spotlight it.
I watched it this afternoon in an almost empty Theater (just how I like it) and it's a beautiful and touching movie. I'm so in love with Namor, and I love that he's not big and buff like thor and all these other steroids ads models. If course he's fit but like in a way that is achievable without the juice. Loved it. And love all his jewelry one of the best costumes designs in all of marvel.
Having T'Chala and Nakia have a son was perfect!!. Automatically tugs on the heart strings of the audience. Makes it easier for him to take on the mantle when its time. He's only 6 but these are comic book films. What is time really?lol
I didn't see the emasculation with M'baku. He acted as a mentor to Shuri as he had promised her brother. He served the queen amd Shuri very well. Is he only represented well if he's the one in charge? I think an honorable man also shows loyalty, compassion, and wisdom to those around him. He gracefully accepted his role and performed well. He was trustworthy and I'm sure Shuri had no issues allowing him to bid for king. She didn't want it for herself.
I'd heard the notion that M'baku wasn't given enough to do, then he kept showing up to fight N-amor and be part of the council. I felt he had a story arc of being the leader of a separate tribe, fighting to be the king of Wakanda, then accepting his role as being an aide to the king in the first movie and _Infinity War._ In this he's a warrior-advisor who thinks he could have fought and protected Wakanda better than the Dora Milaje, before getting beat by N-amor. Then finally showing he cares about the people enough to relocate them and advises Shuri not to wage an unending war, making him worthy of the throne.
If anyone it was Everett Ross (Martin Freeman) who didn't have enough to do.
There are so many movies that are nearly all male characters, that we could use the reverse for a change as long as they don't deprecate men.
I’m Black and non-binary, not a man, but I didn’t feel like M’Baku was emasculated at all. It felt more like the story and the stakes were more personal for Shuri, Okoye and Nakia etc. so we focused on them more. And M’Baku once again not wanting to get involved in the fight (although for more justifiable reasons) feels in character for him
This movie was a big step in representation. It was emotional in so many levels. As a Latina seeing mesoamerica representation on screen so well done made me get emotional. It was so great!
When the midnight angel showed up my friend freaked out. He’s big on the last black Panther run and he said for him it made the movie. Love letter to the comic
Loved when Shuri said I didn't do this for the mantel she was trying to save her brother
Namor was just plain awesome. The ending before the credits when Shuri is crying remembering her brother, that got me to tears. Very powerful
The naval ship scene with the Talokan peoples was incredible! With the mesmerizing song and hynosis, kinda reminded me of the ship scene from Winter Soldier
Amazing film, loved Shuri's arc. she's GREAT as the new Black Panther. Hope she's Black panther for a long time.
I loved it. I watched it with my mother. Aa a man mostly growing up with women, I had no issues with the portrayal of men and all the strong women in this film. Namor is easily one of the best mcu villains. I cried so many times...jeez haha. The opening together with the complete altered silent mcu roll left me speechless and in tears, same as the end. Best mcu phase 4 film for me (sry shang-chi) and putting the black panther franchise at my top of mcu franchises (previously gotg).
The movie the only issue that I had was in my theater some of the nighttime and underwater scenes were hard to see because the things were just too dark. I don’t know if it was the screen that I was watching it on or what, but I could hardly see what was happening on the screen. Other than that I love the movie and damn near cried when his son came out.
Omg I just saw it in 3d I thought it was because of that I keep wiping my glasses
@@ItsJamieon The first time Namor nation attacked the boat and the first time Shuri and the queen encountered Namor. those things were extremely dark and I could hardly see what was happening on the screen.
Yeah agreed Ryan needs to hire better cinematographers
hmmm?? didnt have this issue, saw them clear and caught in 4k
@@doctormeme6563 i plan on seeing it again today. Maybe it was the Screen I was watching it on.
Uhhh, Ifeel like it was pretty apparent it was about Shuri's emotional journey right from the start...
NAMOR WAS THE BEST PART OF THE MOVIE. He killed it… i want more namor projects… like… dont be shocked if he become s a fan favorite
Shuri was the best part
Nah Okoye was the best part
I saw the movie today, and I loved it. I didn't see any of the gender issues that you referred to. The nation stood together, and fought as one. It's not about being the "Star", it's about doing your part. (I'm also black, so the representation also meant a lot... That's probably why I wasn't bothered by the supposedly "weak" male role. It wasn't weak, or emasculating... In the final analysis, we'll rise, or fall together. So they were right to play their role, and not try to grab the spotlight. Tomorrow is another day, and our time will come.)
Kudos Bro. You answered that "weak" male role nonsense with intelligence and class.
Black Panther's Son Raised in Haiti, The First Black Republic, is very Symbolic . Ryan Coogler is definitely a Master of his Craft!
And named Toussaint after the 18th century revolutionary
27:00 - you don’t need to be fierce to be strong. Being “soft” sometimes takes a lot of strength in a time of such trouble
Shuri's character arc in this film is like her brothers in Civil War but the circumstances on her part feels kinda worst. i'll need to rewatch it again to take better notes on the comparison of each character arcs.
Yeah I'm sure I don't have the exact quotes right but when T'Challa let Zemo live, he said "Vengeance has consumed you. I will not let it consume me." And Shuri said to Namor something to the effect of "Vengeance has consumed us. I will not let it consume our people."
Yeah, it would have been great to show a flashback to T'challa's scene at the end of civil war with Zemo as Shuri was considering killing Namor
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY KILLED RAMONDA
I'm still LIVID. It really surprisingly pissed me off. It felt so unnecessary. HAVE WE NOT LOST EVVVVVERYTHING!?!?!
Black death is what America banks on consistently
I thought it was trying to do A LOT and I don’t know that it accomplishes everything. They handled the death of Tchalla very well, but Act 2 gets a bit bogged down with the world building for Namor’s kingdom and establishing Riri. Angela Bassett is phenomenal here. I noticed early on that she had a lot of screen time and I thought “oh, she’s going to die for sure” and it was so sad to see.
This was such a beautiful way to wrap up phase 4!!!!
Looks like the best way possible, the phase 4 needed it
Still garbage. Using a man's death to sell a movie.
Disney is scum.
Saw where Lupita Nyong’o was raised in Mexico City early on, so she was thrilled to get to use her Spanish in this movie
The first scene was so powerful. Like, I never cry in Marvel films, or shows, at all but this movie. How dare they. Hahaha
Having just seen the Little Mermaid trailer before watching the siren call scene made me want to start singing as people were dropping off the ship.
I think the France thing in the beginning was a slight criticism of their relationship with their former W.African colonies (especially since the attack took place in Mali).
This movie had a lot to do, and it did it with integrity and a lot of heart. I really think they knocked it outta the park. Can’t wait to see it again.
Loved this movie, just saw it tonight, I love the tribute to Chadwick and I love the emotional journey it took us on.