I think it's worth considering that Kane will get a winter break in Germany, whilst Premier League players won't. This could be a nice break for the Prem Lot and they could need the rest
They're dropping out of glorified friendlies, not official EUROs/WC qualifiers, if it was the latter he'd have a point. These games were merely just friendles prior to the invention of the Nations League concept for UEFA's pockets, and they're now just glorified ones.
The nations league was a great addition. Too many games all around, yes.. but the tournament is a lot more than friendlies and if you can’t see that then I don’t know.
@@EmirBanan not a glorious tournaments. It's not euro nor WC,not many people watch it overseas. Kane can say that because in Germany there is winter break no such thing for EPL players.
Can't believe the lack of critical thinking here. Some of these players are genuinely injured, don't make it seem like they've all bailed for no reason. 1) Trent pulled his hamstring and came off after 20 minutes, 2) Rice has a broken toe 3) Shaw has been injured for months and isn't playing for United, 4) Ramsdale had surgery on a fractured finger and didn't play for his club on the weekend So that is 4 of the supposed 9 that you're making a headline out of are injured, what do you expect them to do? They can't play. So you're down to 2 City players, Grealish and Foden, and Arsenal player in Saka, and 2 Chelsea players Colwill and Palmer. It is these 5 players that you're talking about, but you want to exaggerate it for headlines
'It is these 5 players that you're talking about, but you want to exaggerate it for headlines' Yes, journalist wants headline. Asks Kane a loaded question. Kane gives answer that he's not so happy about it. The next day 'Kane is disgusted at England players who aren't playing for England' shocker!!! Modern media is a disgrace.
Let’s be honest, absolutely nobody cares about international football outside of major tournaments. Even qualifiers have lost appeal due to expanded tournaments. The nations league is just another money grab that have turned meaningless friendlies where you could pick your opponents into semi competitive games against good opposition.
Kane has played for a successful club competing for serious trophies for a year. This is his first experience playing for a serious club. Of course he doesn't understand the mindset of putting club above irrelevant international nonsense.
He’s a fool. There’s a reason why Kane has never won anything and why he’s always out on his feet in April and May, when it counts. Who cares about a Nations League dead rubber
Nah, the extent of this guy's career is zero trophies and tap-ins against San Marino, so naturally he can't understand when others drop out to win trophies
That' should be just country over Tottenham Hotspur. Taa Sala rice who all pull out of the squad have trophies with their clubs. Maybe time to bring dele and Harry winks and Oliver skipp
What was the comment? Such poor journalism from the Athletic. Y'all can't have a discussion about comments made by someone and assume we've heard the comments.
I read that 7 of the 9 players were injured, didn’t complete their last games or coming back from injury. Only 2 players were fully fit and finished their games prior to their call-ups.
Ridiculous for Carsley to complain about the lack of natural left backs in the England set up when Tyrick Mitchell has been playing premier league football at a decent standard week in, week out for years now.
Maybe if Kane ruled himself out with injury in the summer like he should have we would have won something. I believe on the whole, fans aren’t too bothered about this fixture and would rather the players at their clubs get a rest.
The FA told Carsley that he had the three international windows this autumn. I think it's actually a good thing they didn't reneg on this and stuck to their word. we don't know what contractual arangments and cost of not sticking to it are, can't be too high given Carsley was already the U21 coach (my organisatoin would call this a 'development opportunity' and not provide any additional salary!), so giving them the benefit of the doubt it was a moral choice, although the cynic in me thinks it was probably a financial one.
Players get paid more by their clubs. These are not just people but assets to companies. People within clubs will be urging players to sit it out if potentially injured because the financial loses can be huge
At the end of the day, getting mad at other people for not sharing your particular set of priorities seems at best kinda childish to me. If Kane wants to say: 'Playing for England is the most important thing in the world to me, I wouldn't miss it for anything' then fair play to him, but it's also perfectly acceptable to my mind for other athletes have other priorities whether that's trying to maximise their financial gains from what is for many a short career at their peak earning potential. Or proving themselves in some other sporting context by wanting to be part of a club team, or any combination of these factors.
Nearly all the players are legitimatly injured though. Rice has a broken toe. Saka has literally been injured for going on a fucking year now. Trent went off after 25 minutes with a hamstring and Ramsdale has a broken finger. Grealish I'm not sure, but given that his not exactly playing alot at City, theres no reason for him to skip it if his isn't injured. So that basically just leaves Foden, Colwill and Palmer who... are apparently injured despite not appearing to be in thier last game (I think Palmer had an issus going into the Arsenal game but he played the full match with no issue). City I suspect may have just gone fuck off. Pep probably needs to work with the squad to get things back on track (and overplaying has already arguably lost them Rodri, which is probably a big reason why they are suddenly in a bit of rut). Chelsea may be in a similar, but different boat, with the team performing far better then most were expecting, they probably just don't want to risk key members of thier squad in glorified friendlies. Honestly, I'd rather have a situation where teams on mass did this, then the usual where you get one or two teams that do it and then the teams that don't suffer for it. Does anyone realy care about these glorified friendlies, especially when its under a lame duck manager.
Kane gets a winter break. The others don't. These international games are complete bullshit anyway. The more people pull out the better. Sends a message imo
Yes if he has read every medical report and can write a dissertation on the inability or the ability for each player to be available for 90 minutes and the type of injury or personal situation. Once he has done that analysis and summarized which I am sure he is has it is absolutely right. What happened when phil foden left the euros for the birth of a baby?
Goodluck to Jack, hopefully you don’t get severe depression writing about these kind of stories for the England team as it is so boring…you guys have a left back discussion once every 2 months or so?…
Oh no... players are dropping out of unnecessary friendly's in the middle of an already clogged season to rest and heal up... who tf cares... when it starts happening during major tournaments then we can talk...
This is the first season in my life/decades where I feel burnt out by football. If there was a button that would postpone all football for a year, I would press it.
3 international breaks between September and November is ridiculous. I can understand players wanting to drop out.
I think it's worth considering that Kane will get a winter break in Germany, whilst Premier League players won't. This could be a nice break for the Prem Lot and they could need the rest
I like how at no point of this podcast no one mentioned why the hell we have 3-4 international breaks in mid November ?
They're dropping out of glorified friendlies, not official EUROs/WC qualifiers, if it was the latter he'd have a point. These games were merely just friendles prior to the invention of the Nations League concept for UEFA's pockets, and they're now just glorified ones.
The nations league was a great addition. Too many games all around, yes.. but the tournament is a lot more than friendlies and if you can’t see that then I don’t know.
@@EmirBanan not a glorious tournaments. It's not euro nor WC,not many people watch it overseas.
Kane can say that because in Germany there is winter break no such thing for EPL players.
Can't believe the lack of critical thinking here.
Some of these players are genuinely injured, don't make it seem like they've all bailed for no reason.
1) Trent pulled his hamstring and came off after 20 minutes,
2) Rice has a broken toe
3) Shaw has been injured for months and isn't playing for United,
4) Ramsdale had surgery on a fractured finger and didn't play for his club on the weekend
So that is 4 of the supposed 9 that you're making a headline out of are injured, what do you expect them to do? They can't play.
So you're down to 2 City players, Grealish and Foden, and Arsenal player in Saka, and 2 Chelsea players Colwill and Palmer. It is these 5 players that you're talking about, but you want to exaggerate it for headlines
So more than half of the dropouts aren't injured? Sounds like a headline to me
'It is these 5 players that you're talking about, but you want to exaggerate it for headlines'
Yes, journalist wants headline. Asks Kane a loaded question. Kane gives answer that he's not so happy about it. The next day 'Kane is disgusted at England players who aren't playing for England' shocker!!!
Modern media is a disgrace.
Saka didn't finish the game against Chelsea even though Arsenal were desperate for a goal.
Let’s be honest, absolutely nobody cares about international football outside of major tournaments. Even qualifiers have lost appeal due to expanded tournaments. The nations league is just another money grab that have turned meaningless friendlies where you could pick your opponents into semi competitive games against good opposition.
Kane has played for a successful club competing for serious trophies for a year. This is his first experience playing for a serious club. Of course he doesn't understand the mindset of putting club above irrelevant international nonsense.
He’s a fool. There’s a reason why Kane has never won anything and why he’s always out on his feet in April and May, when it counts. Who cares about a Nations League dead rubber
Harry Kane wasted a place in England's starting line up at the Euros by playing when he was nowhere near match fit!!!
Nah, the extent of this guy's career is zero trophies and tap-ins against San Marino, so naturally he can't understand when others drop out to win trophies
Club > Country. Kane spoke like someone who has never won anything at club level.
You could say this is why england has not won anything due to the mindset many players have towards international football
Savage!
That' should be just country over Tottenham Hotspur. Taa Sala rice who all pull out of the squad have trophies with their clubs. Maybe time to bring dele and Harry winks and Oliver skipp
My thoughts exactly. Well said
Bundesliga way less intense also
Sorry boys, nobody cares about Kane or this third rate comp.
What was the comment? Such poor journalism from the Athletic. Y'all can't have a discussion about comments made by someone and assume we've heard the comments.
No idea what he said but Fu k Lane 😂
I read that 7 of the 9 players were injured, didn’t complete their last games or coming back from injury. Only 2 players were fully fit and finished their games prior to their call-ups.
Jack Pitt-Brooke: hair of the dog. Ayo Akinwolere: my body is a temple. Phil Hay: just the dog.
No. He’s a delusional corporate stooge.
He's a corporate stooge for standing by his country over the literal corporations that own the clubs?
@ No, I actually said DELUSIONAL corporate stooge. And he’s pulled out of as many England camps through injury as anyone. So he’s also a hypocrite.
@@jadmantoura4483 has he ?
@@Lewis1995 Yes
@jadmantoura4483 when
Ridiculous for Carsley to complain about the lack of natural left backs in the England set up when Tyrick Mitchell has been playing premier league football at a decent standard week in, week out for years now.
Maybe if Kane ruled himself out with injury in the summer like he should have we would have won something.
I believe on the whole, fans aren’t too bothered about this fixture and would rather the players at their clubs get a rest.
The FA told Carsley that he had the three international windows this autumn. I think it's actually a good thing they didn't reneg on this and stuck to their word. we don't know what contractual arangments and cost of not sticking to it are, can't be too high given Carsley was already the U21 coach (my organisatoin would call this a 'development opportunity' and not provide any additional salary!), so giving them the benefit of the doubt it was a moral choice, although the cynic in me thinks it was probably a financial one.
Players get paid more by their clubs. These are not just people but assets to companies. People within clubs will be urging players to sit it out if potentially injured because the financial loses can be huge
Without your club there is no country, when you are unpopular in the media your country drops you your club is less likely too.
Club > country’s
At the end of the day, getting mad at other people for not sharing your particular set of priorities seems at best kinda childish to me. If Kane wants to say: 'Playing for England is the most important thing in the world to me, I wouldn't miss it for anything' then fair play to him, but it's also perfectly acceptable to my mind for other athletes have other priorities whether that's trying to maximise their financial gains from what is for many a short career at their peak earning potential. Or proving themselves in some other sporting context by wanting to be part of a club team, or any combination of these factors.
Nearly all the players are legitimatly injured though.
Rice has a broken toe. Saka has literally been injured for going on a fucking year now. Trent went off after 25 minutes with a hamstring and Ramsdale has a broken finger. Grealish I'm not sure, but given that his not exactly playing alot at City, theres no reason for him to skip it if his isn't injured.
So that basically just leaves Foden, Colwill and Palmer who... are apparently injured despite not appearing to be in thier last game (I think Palmer had an issus going into the Arsenal game but he played the full match with no issue).
City I suspect may have just gone fuck off. Pep probably needs to work with the squad to get things back on track (and overplaying has already arguably lost them Rodri, which is probably a big reason why they are suddenly in a bit of rut). Chelsea may be in a similar, but different boat, with the team performing far better then most were expecting, they probably just don't want to risk key members of thier squad in glorified friendlies. Honestly, I'd rather have a situation where teams on mass did this, then the usual where you get one or two teams that do it and then the teams that don't suffer for it. Does anyone realy care about these glorified friendlies, especially when its under a lame duck manager.
Kane gets a winter break. The others don't. These international games are complete bullshit anyway. The more people pull out the better. Sends a message imo
Cant stand the Nations League
Tuchel called off basically 😂
Yes if he has read every medical report and can write a dissertation on the inability or the ability for each player to be available for 90 minutes and the type of injury or personal situation. Once he has done that analysis and summarized which I am sure he is has it is absolutely right. What happened when phil foden left the euros for the birth of a baby?
Goodluck to Jack, hopefully you don’t get severe depression writing about these kind of stories for the England team as it is so boring…you guys have a left back discussion once every 2 months or so?…
Rice odergaard and saka actually have injuries...
Harry McGuire was definitely not going Greece, does he not have a court order about going there. Fighting in bar. And yes injured lol
Oh no... players are dropping out of unnecessary friendly's in the middle of an already clogged season to rest and heal up... who tf cares... when it starts happening during major tournaments then we can talk...
I used to like the Athletic until they started utilising predatory pricing strategies to take my money. I guess i'm the sucker right?
This guy is a serial bottle job. Can't take him seriously. Not captain material. Airing out fellow players like that
Wow
No one cares. Micky mouse matches.
Ayo you need to take a critical look at your podcast and find ways to vary it so you're not always discussing the big clubs.
Just a suggestion.
This is the first season in my life/decades where I feel burnt out by football.
If there was a button that would postpone all football for a year, I would press it.
"The Best" (UCL matches in Dec. and Jan.) is yet to come!
Definitely press it for international football. Wenger can have his quarterly world cups in his garden
Club before country 🩵 UTV 💜