I can’t explain how much more likely it would be for me to click on these first time if Joe was the thumbnail. Three times as likely. Ok I explained it.
100% I used to watch these videos all the time with the old thumbnails but I don't even realise who they are by now. If this channel cares about their viewership at all, they'll change it back
Appreciate the feedback gang, and similarly, re-explaining stuff is annoying - but there are several reasons we don’t do this and they all result in a higher viewership, so whilst for you guys and a core of the audience it might be useful, it actually harms our viewership overall.
@joedevine4746 ah fair enough, just seen your other comment explaining it. If it's increasing your viewership then fair play to you. Guess I need to subscribe so I don't miss them!
@@joedevine4746oh, this is awkward... I am subscribed but I don't remember seeing a video of yours in my sub feed. There's gotta be a way to make them stand out a bit more without reducing your views??
Yeah, I love it when people press the subscribe button! These are the only horizontal videos we release at the moment on this channel so you can’t go wrong putting notifications on, it’s only once a week on a Saturday.
I will never forgive The Athletic for ending the Tifo podcast. I like the mixture of stats, humour and Lord of the Rings speculations. Most football podcasts can be quite dry, even the Guardian or Totally Football (with certain 'footballing experts'). The Football Ramble has gone in steep decline.
Well lucky you, they brought back the old style football podcast for this year. It's just as funny as it used to be. There's just no video version anymore.
I am glad at last someone is talking about Nottingham Forest. John is always a Liverpool naysayer, he and other haters will keep on saying that they haven't played anyone good till they have won the league.
@@tp4rk866 not really after De Zerbi left with how they were trending towards the end of the season and the squad not being replenished was reasonable to have them in the bottom half 🤷♂️
@@couturecriminal8330we had lots of players injured early on in the season and still got points against good teams. We now have a good run of fixtures with everyone back from injury
Think Liverpool are still being underestimated. Half that team know what's required to win big trophies, and I don't think they've played particularly well this last month Leverkusen aside, yet are still getting goals when they need them. If they actually start putting together 80-90 minute performances, they'll be hard to beat.
Unless it's a piece of media associated with the club, I feel like there isn't that much positive talk coming Liverpools way. Always seems like people forget that Liverpool have been fighting for trophies on multiple fronts for the last few years. They'll praise Arsenal to the hills and always have kind things to say on City's behalf, but not so much for the Reds.
@@evan8654 no. There's too many games. The foreign players in the team have had to play many matches without training because their games requiring 16 hour flights. There will be disjointed play as a result. McAllister looks to be suffering the most of anyone. It's why Diaz sometimes does not start after being brilliant, om that case Gakpo is always more rested than he is. There's just too many games and unlike with Klopp, Slot requires the team to be relaxed. It is hoped we will have less injuries. Before we'd play up and down and then concede because we are open and rhen panick even more and concede again. Now, we concede and couldn't be bothered because we will win the game eventually.
At moment we are top because Slot has been willing to change the tactics in second half of games we are either having issues with or just not getting it done in first half. He is a tactical tweaker (for the good). Lets see how he continues for the next ten week and see if teams "find out" then get found out again
Yeah Slot looks very promising especially if he can find a system that *really* works for Liverpool. On the other hand, I could see a situation where instead of Liverpool looking like they won the league, Man City look like they lost it -- If they can't stabilize without Rodri and can't find the consistency that is synonymous with Guardiola's football, they have to find some other way maintain the point return needed to stay at the top. In that case, Slot doesn't have to get it completely right every time. But as with all things we can only wait and see how it plays out.
He’s not really changing tactics much at all in second half. Just more wholesale personal in key positions. It’s a good thing. Liverpool and getting a little luck here and there. But they are making their own luck. Will be up there at the end.
@@Eldriitchfor city to comeback from here it will be hard. If they make it to January within touching distance maybe they can save their title shot with a couple of signinings in the middle. That's if they make it. I'm saying this because they look a lot like Liverpool 22/23. The usual star players just seem a tad slower and less sharp. It happens with age and maintaining a full 90 of pressing and staying on top of the opposition gets harder and harder every week.
Regarding the Liverpool haven't played anyone yet theory, our last 4 premier-league games have been Chelsea, Arsenal, Brighton and Villa and we've won 3 and drawn the other. Chelsea can beat anyone on their day and have a really good chance of top 4, Arsenal have been runner's up in the past 2 seasons and were/are a lot of people's choice to win the league, Brighton are an excellent side who are currently in a really good run of form and have just beaten the reigning champions yesterday and Villa who are an excellent side with a great manager. So I would have no hesitation in saying that these are definitely not nobody sides and we've taken 10 points from a possible 12 in the 4 games. We've also beaten Bournemouth who've beaten Arsenal and City, plus Brentford who are a really well managed team and are definitely no walkovers. Also as bad as United have been there's no way they can be as bad when Amorim takes charge and suddenly playing them away could easily turn into a very hard game and we've already been there and gotten the 3 points, and City and Arsenal both have to go there and it's definitely not gonna be as easy as Liverpool made it look. Our only defeat was against a very well organised Forest team who have definitely earned their 3rd place position in the league. So to anyone who still thinks that Liverpool have played no one yet, you either know f-all about football or you're lying through your jealous teeth. Hopefully Slot can do what Paisley done, in terms of the apprentice outdoing the teacher and I'm cautiously optimistic that's gonna be the case. I can see Slot bringing in a ruthless streak, where by with City losing earlier in the day and really needing to win to capitalise on these rare City slip ups that's exactly what we're doing. Hell of a long way to go but I don't think even the most optimistic lfc fan could have hoped for such an unbelievable start to the season.
I am the Liverpool fun who thought it would be exactly as it is the moment pre-season finished. What the EPL has not yet understood is that Slot tactics fit the defensive and attacking skillset of the Liverpool players like a glove so much so that Liverpool nolonger need to play well to beat any team. His exploitation of zone 14 using goal scoring 8s and a 9 nullify our former Achilles heal of low blocks, Gravenbruch's press resistance and Macca's game reading nullify the midblock but if you decide to go toe to toe then you have to deal with the pace of Salah in behind which has proved to be challenging for most teams and if you stop all 3 like AC Milan did in the UCL. VVD and Konate on their day can do you on a corner or TAA with a free kick. Liverpool is the most dangerous side in the EPL but most are just blind to this fact in the here and now. I expect this team to hit its pick in december and Jan when Jota and Elliot are added to the attacking options but truely believe the wildcard will be Chiesa in the last few tight games of the season.
@@charlesfinster4893 Or you could look at it another way. Because we're not slaughtering teams and sometimes only winning by the odd goal, to me with a new manager that means we can only get better the more the players understand what he wants. So suck it up and stay with whatever team you support who isn't gonna get near the league title, it's Liverpools!!!! Yeeeehaaaaaah!!!!
@charlesfinster4893 being a fan of a football team obviously brings downers but it's main attraction is that optimistic feeling that your team is gonna win something big, so if Liverpool fans were optimistic about winning 4 trophies that we ultimately didn't win, so what? A true fan knows that that's what it's all about. I'm in my early 50s so I've seen way more than my fair share of trophies. 6 European cups isn't far off every single club in England put together's total. We dream big because we've done it all before and will again. Not a peep out of you about who you support. Doesn't really matter because they'll be behind Liverpool's success anyway. Best club, best fans and biggest trophy cabinet.
You could make it even wider. 4 points between 3rd and 13th. The table is so congested at the moment as everyone is losing to everyone. lol It's chaos and I kinda like it.
@@SaturnusDK Well-aware. lol Just goes to show how one week (or matchday) can make a massive difference in this table where everyone is losing to each other.
@@CoconutJewce Absolutely. I'm loving how vital every single game is for every club. It's the dream when you have a league where all but a few teams are competing for the top positions.
I hope that's sarcasm. Soccer AM was puerile blokey rubbish that never focused on actual football analysis. It was to football what top gear was to cars. Utter ladbible tosh. The soccer AM viewers wouldn't understand the level of analysis of these guys and would probably think it's too boring
With Forest, that one goal against Brighton, where Chris Wood dropped into space to receive the ball, laid it off, then that player sending Jota through was literally, in my mind, the most idealistic goal a team could score.
@@jpah8944just saw their fixtures, I genuinely believe if Brighton put their head in it they can get 7 wins from it. Aston Villa may be a struggle though. They honestly did really well vs the top teams.
how can JJ have looked at Brighton's first 10 games and put them down a spot lol? Even before the win against City the signs have been very promising, done really well with a pretty hard run of fixtures
Brighton will surely finish above Angeball and Newcastle this year, comfortably, and would be a shout for top 4 but I can’t see Arsenal and Chelsea dropping out of there.
FC Noah's manager said they weren't going to "park the bus" which was a joke since he and Mourinho are both Portuguese. They had to take a 55 hour bus ride to play that match and they went for it. UEFA should have paid there plane ticket. They make plenty of $ from the sport and keeps creating more and more games for more and more money.
The next 3 games are big for Liverpool. Southampton could be tricky given they have to pick up points some time, and we might take our eye off them with Real Madrid rolling into town before City the following week. However, Liverpool could win all three and if they do I think they have to be favourites for the title. I know it’s still early but the only reasons Joe and JJ could give for Liverpool not being favourites were basically “City are City” and “Vibes man, vibes”. JJ is internally screaming “HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!” every time Slot gets 3 points, but can’t explain why beyond, “he’s the same as Ten Hag, it shouldn’t work.”
You know, 95 point (2.5 per match x 38 matches) usually only bring you into contention for maybe possibly, if things stack up right, to be in consideration of being close to maybe daring to say that there is a slight possibility of LFC being worth mentioning when talking about teams that could be at the top at the end of the season.
@@paulquaife7974It really annoys me when somebody states something as an absolute fact when all it is is their own personal opinion. There is nothing on the planet that can prove which manager was better and sticking the word opinion into your opinion would make you look a lot less like a know it all. If you're a Liverpool fan just be grateful that these 2 great leaders of men have been our managers instead of turning it into a completely unnecessary competition that can never be proven anyway.
Watching this just after City's Brighton result. Great stuff. However, (as a Liverpool fan) if I'm trying to be reasonable. Think of how Liverpool are being spoken about this season, the papers and pundits can't stop raving about Slot. Now think of how City are being spoken about now they've just lost to Brighton. It's "crisis club" talk. And yet, there's only 5 points difference.
I mean those opinions are moreso talking on an overall scale than purely a premier league one. I doubt people would be this wild over slot if it weren't for scoring 4 goals on leverkusen in one half, and same thing for City flopping if it weren't for losses against sporting in the champions league and spurs in the carabao cup(or was it fa cup idr)
Yes, City usually have a slump. But they usually don't have to go all season without Rodri. Add to that they have a quite aged starting XI with Walker, KDB, Gundogan, Kovacic etc. It might be that Pep have run its course at City. Same thing happened at Liverpool with Klopp in the end. We'll see if Liverpool can rotate and save players better more so there's anything left in the tanks towards the last 8 games. I think Slot's more controlling football is better suited for just that. But we'll see. Liverpool were top of the league at Christmas too. It doesn't mean anything at this stage.
I've only watched two videos from this particular podcast. And unfortunately some of the stuff this Jon says shows he hasn't got a clue, doesn't watch Liverpool games and just gets his information probably from talksport or ESPN . He hasn't got a clue and I would assume he supports a team that doesn't like Liverpool as well .
Palace's drop off and Forest's start have been the biggest surprises for me. Followed by Arsenal/Brighton/Liverpool. Looking at West Ham's recruitment and managerial appointment this summer, it seemed obvious they would drop off given how drastic the transition would be.
As a Chelsea fan Very disappointed you guys didn't mention us once and the improvement we've had and your expectations..Kudos to John for predicting 3rd.
Sorry but Chelsea are not finishing above City, Liverpool, Arsenal or Villa. In order to get top four you must replace one of them, and you are neither equal to nor better than any of them. You have a had a good start to the season by beating the teams you were meant to beat, but when faced with equal of better opposition you haven't even looked lucky. You are a 6th to 8th best place team currently.
Its curious to see the skepticism around Liverpool given how much more solid they clearly look defensively under Slot ; once they go into the lead in games they rarely look like conceding. They'd be definite favourite at this point for me.
Brighton in 12th! I wonder what they would have said if the video was predicting the PL again after 11 games. The seagulls dominated Liverpool until they fell apart at the end and they played City off the ground. If they don’t make top 6, I’ll be surprised.
I would say less than brighton fell more and more that Liverpool were rejuvenated with Slot's substitutes, I watched that game and I still felt a constant threat from brighton as a Liverpool fan so they definetly didn't fall off! Idunno about top 6 though, I'm predicting them barely missing out on europe as other sides like Aston Villa and Forest have been really suprising for me
@Leftenant334 2 matchdays ago Forest was in 3rd and like 4 or 5 ago we thought Man City clutched the title after Forest beat Liverpool, a couple of days at 2nd doesn't matter, what matters is consistency. Which I don't think Brighton have that.
@@Orewastaken Brighton already have a lot of injuries right now, including to the oldest and most experienced members of our squad, which is part of th reason for our home inconsistency against teams like wolves. Nonetheless we have already played the big 6, winning three of those games, drawing at arsenal, and only losing very early in the season to Chelsea and more recently in a tightly contested game to liverpool. Given that many of our players will be soon returning from injury, and indeed players bought in the summer (and scheduled for january; Diego Gomez, messi's mls teammate) will be worked into the squad, I can only see brighton becoming more consistent and resilient as the season continues. Meanwhile villa have had an arguably easier fixture list than brighton, with fewer injuries (If I'm not mistaken), played 4 of the big 6 and beaten none (admittedly played fewer home games) and have a harder fixture list leading into the new year than Brighton, playing Newcastle, chelsea and forest away while Brighton only play midtable and relegation threatened teams until villa themselves on gw19. And when you consider that villa are currently in the champions league and likely to progress to knockout stages, their already evident slump in form is unlikely to get better as injuries stack up and players grow even wearier. Bar a miraculous recruitment in january, I see villa finishing between 8th and 11th, below (currently) stronger teams such as Bournemouth, newcastle, forest, and possibly even west ham.
Currently the only teams I am fairly confident will finish above Brighton are Liverpool and Arsenal, and 50/50 city if they recruit well in January. Chelsea have been just as inconsistent as brighton if not more, drawing to Palace and Forest at home, however I'd say there is also a good chance they finish above Brighton, leaving us in 4th or 5th, which given the expected performance of English teams in Europe this season, is likely to be champions league qualification either way. I also think brighton are dark horses for the title, given Liverpools lack of squad evolution from last season, Arsenal's similarly unchanged squad and disciplinary issues (as well as vulnerability without odegaard), Chelsea's difficulty in producing a single consistent XI which can gel, City's extended lack of a holding midfielder, and the inconsistency of other teams such as Spurs, United, Villa and Newcastle. Meanwhile Brighton arguably have the best attacking depth in the league, more midfield depth than teams such as Arsenal, Liverpool and City, and have great individual quality all over the pitch and on the bench. The only reason I would say as to why Brighton are unlikely to win the league currently is the fragility their defence has shown, particularly in defending leads against weaker opposition, and our lack of overall defensive depth currently. However if we get through to January with minimal points lost in our upcoming string of matches against the kinds of opposition we have struggled against so far, and recruit a few defenders in January, I seriously wouldn't be surprised by a top 2 finish.
3:38 worth mentioning too that as well as just being tall, Milenkovic had the best aerial win percentage of any player in Europe's top 5 leagues with more than 1000 minutes at CB last season (88%). Next best were Maguire (86%) and van Dijk (84%). So he's in good company. Data courtesy of HudlStatsbomb.
18:54 Andersen I think is a huge loss. Everyone talks about Olise, and while he's undoubtedly a massive player the sale of Anderson just seemed bizarre, especially selling to a direct rival who are now performing much better than expected.
Manchester United have been have been awful this season but to say they are lucky to be 13th is insane….horrendous luck against Brighton, horrible luck/refereeing vs West Ham and unlucky vs palace…it couldn’t have gone any worse…Bruno sent off vs spurs which was recinded
Yeah, I don't even think we've been that bad outside of the Liverpool and Spurs games (and we weren't even *that* bad against Liverpool tbh). And the daylight robbery of two points against West Ham. Those two points would put us ahead of Spurs and 2 points behind 3rd. 😂 "Abysmal"
It makes sense. Statistically speaking, you can represent a dataset of millions with a sample size of just 100 - 200. Obviously, the higher the sample, the better the data, but that ratio still holds true. In PL terms, 26.3% of the dataset is already complete. So, statistically, 25% of a dataset is actually pretty reliable, especially when you factor in form from previous seasons.
As a Liverpool fan Slot is getting all the luck Klopp didn't get, including the corrupt ref getting kicked out. Rodri getting injured was the game changer.
Lopetegui... How he got to manage a team in the premier league it stills blows my mind! just check his work at FC Porto and how he left the club.. I would never want him near my team ever
Think Newcastle are being underestimated and Man Utd/Tottenham overestimated here. Ange has been completely figured out and he's a very one dimensional manager. There's never any plan B with him. People are assuming things will get better at Man Utd under Amorim, but he's going to want them to play an entirely new system and I think they're going to struggle while they're adapting.
The hate for liverpool is crazy .... not as consistent as their results every metric there absolutely consistent hahaha it's madness the amount of hate that baldy clown he's been doing this for years
Good show again lads. I'm a Forest fan. Whilst your analysis on Forest is sound I would offer that our improved possession stats (up 0.7% according to your data) is largely irrelevant. Look at Southampton as a comparator. Under Cloughie Forest were fantastic in defence. That model will always lead to success and that has been our main change so far this season.
I’d really appreciate if you guys could provide english subtitles. Non native speaker like me had a hard time trying to catch what you guys are saying and the CC is not that helping. Great analysis as always!
Man Utd jumping 13 to 6? Come off it. Also, Brighton has played phenomenal against a pretty balanced schedule so far. So how do you have them dropping so far? We have lost to Chelsea and Liverpool and that's it. That would be a monumental streak of losses for us to drop that far.
I have a good feeling about Amorin going to United. He beats City handsomely and even had some words for United after the game! He's not left Lisbon yet, but he's already giving United team talks!
@@_XPERIA_ As have I! Nothing wrong with saying it again though, eh?! The worst that can happen is it all goes t*ts up again, which we've witnessed already, so where's the harm?!?
yeah i think destiny want liverpool won premier league. PGMOL, rodri injury, liverpool playing under ten hag on OT while other team playing against amorim, idont know if he is good but man utd under new manager always good
Have to say, Wolves seem like the Leicester of two years ago where they have the players that make you think "Yeh they can't get relegated" and then they do and a couple of players go to top clubs like Maddison did. They just seem doomed and O'Neil doesn't have any answers to their problems, which I hate to say because they do play good football most seasons
How come on the front montage of managers you don't have Slot? And was that a picture of Amorim on the front, a manager who isn't at MUFC for another month?
Insufferable. "They didn't beat Chelsea their first big big big challenge." Even if he meant Arsenal, that was an away game and neither did ManC beat Arsenal at home. What was the point again?
They would need to be well into the end of May 2025 before they might consider the possibility that its worth assuming that there is a slight possibility of it might have happen.
do a video on the serie a title race. top 6 all within 2 points, the tightest its been at this stage since the introduction of 3 points for a win in the league
That's fine - just keep underestimating Newcastle. Every time they turn over a " big " team its how badly the defeated outfit played. Their form level that murdered PSG is back, with no European football mid week, players STILL to come back from injury ( Botman Lascelles and Trippier ) and potentially serious funds available in January, especially if the PSR farce is resolved in Man City's favour.
I do feel like these there (and previousiterations helmed by Joe Devine) do have a pretty unique chemistry. If the concern was not having enough to say i wonder if a reduced release schedule would have worked.
Tbh I don't agree that United has been abysmal. Most clean sheets in the league and the defense has looked pretty solid (tied with Arsenal for 4th lowest goals against). The main problems have been the midfield sometimes getting overrun or making sloppy mistakes that lead to goals, and the entire frontline being unable to score a damn goal. If anything, they've been unlucky to be down in 13th. The only games that felt abysmal were the Spurs spanking and the Villa game where the clear objective was just not to lose. lol And let's not forget how a point was stolen by West Ham over that shambolic penalty. With that point back, they'd be joint 11th with the same points total as Spurs and 3 points behind Chelsea in 3rd. It's really not been that horrible despite being the worst start ever.
the amount of people that told me "you don't know ball" when I said Glasner and that overrated bang average Wharton weren't the world class talents people assumed they were. They both only stood out when last season was coming to a close. Pretty much every one of Palace's opponents already knew they were safe and had very little to play for, so the new manager bounce really took effect against opponents only putting 50 percent effort in. Same with wharton. Well done mate you stood out against a makeshift united midfield that had no chance of top 4 and were thinking more about the fa cup. He's hardly "a baller blood yo innit fam" for having a lot of the ball against a succession of opponent midfielders that didn't want to pick up an injury for the upcoming euros. Their true level has been visible this season. Glasner will be gone in a couple of weeks and Wharton will be watching Will Hughes from the bench (you know, that other superstar tipped for greatness when he left the championship for the Premier league)
Can we have it right lads? Elliot Anderson cost us 15 million as part of a trade deal with Vlachodimos going the other way for 20 mill, reported at the time sold for 35 mill but for PSR only Much like other clubs that did these deals on this sort of get around?
What happened with Forest is everyone LAUGHED at our fans when Athletic did a survey and we were the most optimistic fans about our team in August. Pundits are arrogant and never listen to the fans. Fans as a whole know much more about their teams than you do. Maybe learn something from this.
@@ericlamela371 In a thing like a survey of fans optimism though the results compensate for bias because it is how optimistic teams' fans are relative to each other. Forest fans knew we had plenty to be optimistic about this season because we have been watching Forest much more closely than any pundit has. They watch highlights and the odd full game on sky.
Still miss Tifo, as much as the quality of this is higher, there’s no discussion of LOTR, Mr skeleton, or random music knowledge. I mean why am I even tuning into this football podcast
Neecastle are a converted Gordon penalty off 3rd place and yet they are put 8th and 9th in these predictions despite now being on the up and no European football. Madness
I’ve been watching Joe Devine and whatever channel he is in for a long while, and my mans still got it.
He's a great blend of unseriously serious.
The most serious of the least serious people
I know right, still as handsome as ever
Joe "The Vine"
He reminds me a lot of James Richardson
I can’t explain how much more likely it would be for me to click on these first time if Joe was the thumbnail. Three times as likely. Ok I explained it.
100% I used to watch these videos all the time with the old thumbnails but I don't even realise who they are by now. If this channel cares about their viewership at all, they'll change it back
Appreciate the feedback gang, and similarly, re-explaining stuff is annoying - but there are several reasons we don’t do this and they all result in a higher viewership, so whilst for you guys and a core of the audience it might be useful, it actually harms our viewership overall.
@joedevine4746 ah fair enough, just seen your other comment explaining it. If it's increasing your viewership then fair play to you. Guess I need to subscribe so I don't miss them!
@@joedevine4746oh, this is awkward... I am subscribed but I don't remember seeing a video of yours in my sub feed. There's gotta be a way to make them stand out a bit more without reducing your views??
Yeah, I love it when people press the subscribe button! These are the only horizontal videos we release at the moment on this channel so you can’t go wrong putting notifications on, it’s only once a week on a Saturday.
I will never forgive The Athletic for ending the Tifo podcast. I like the mixture of stats, humour and Lord of the Rings speculations.
Most football podcasts can be quite dry, even the Guardian or Totally Football (with certain 'footballing experts'). The Football Ramble has gone in steep decline.
Exactly most podcasts take themselves way too seriously.
The Tifo podcast is still on?
It’s back now lol
Well lucky you, they brought back the old style football podcast for this year. It's just as funny as it used to be. There's just no video version anymore.
I can't listen to the guardian since rushden and glendenning turned it into talksport
I am glad at last someone is talking about Nottingham Forest. John is always a Liverpool naysayer, he and other haters will keep on saying that they haven't played anyone good till they have won the league.
"havent played anyone good" until they vs city is his usual excuse
To be fair, Liverpool haven't played anyone above them 🤣🤣🤣
JJ’s prediction of brighton ending up 12th feels random - they’ve been great to watch with so many exceptional talents!
As a Brighton fan I’ve found people rule us out of a good season too easily
@@tp4rk866 not really after De Zerbi left with how they were trending towards the end of the season and the squad not being replenished was reasonable to have them in the bottom half 🤷♂️
@@couturecriminal8330 yeah, only the second biggest spenders in Europe, the squad's not been replenished.... /s
@@jonathanmogg3643 exactly Jonathan
@@couturecriminal8330we had lots of players injured early on in the season and still got points against good teams. We now have a good run of fixtures with everyone back from injury
It's so fun to rewatch previous predictions and compare. Awesome analysis and great brit humor as always. Roll the clip!
Who's here after Liverpool has gone 35:12 5 points clear.
Think Liverpool are still being underestimated. Half that team know what's required to win big trophies, and I don't think they've played particularly well this last month Leverkusen aside, yet are still getting goals when they need them. If they actually start putting together 80-90 minute performances, they'll be hard to beat.
Heartily agree
Unless it's a piece of media associated with the club, I feel like there isn't that much positive talk coming Liverpools way. Always seems like people forget that Liverpool have been fighting for trophies on multiple fronts for the last few years. They'll praise Arsenal to the hills and always have kind things to say on City's behalf, but not so much for the Reds.
True, but it almost looks like Slot is coaching the team to just survive the first half and then dominate at the end when everyone's tired.
@@evan8654 no. There's too many games. The foreign players in the team have had to play many matches without training because their games requiring 16 hour flights.
There will be disjointed play as a result. McAllister looks to be suffering the most of anyone. It's why Diaz sometimes does not start after being brilliant, om that case Gakpo is always more rested than he is. There's just too many games and unlike with Klopp, Slot requires the team to be relaxed. It is hoped we will have less injuries. Before we'd play up and down and then concede because we are open and rhen panick even more and concede again. Now, we concede and couldn't be bothered because we will win the game eventually.
At moment we are top because Slot has been willing to change the tactics in second half of games we are either having issues with or just not getting it done in first half. He is a tactical tweaker (for the good). Lets see how he continues for the next ten week and see if teams "find out" then get found out again
Yeah Slot looks very promising especially if he can find a system that *really* works for Liverpool. On the other hand, I could see a situation where instead of Liverpool looking like they won the league, Man City look like they lost it -- If they can't stabilize without Rodri and can't find the consistency that is synonymous with Guardiola's football, they have to find some other way maintain the point return needed to stay at the top. In that case, Slot doesn't have to get it completely right every time.
But as with all things we can only wait and see how it plays out.
He’s not really changing tactics much at all in second half. Just more wholesale personal in key positions. It’s a good thing.
Liverpool and getting a little luck here and there. But they are making their own luck.
Will be up there at the end.
@@Eldriitchfor city to comeback from here it will be hard. If they make it to January within touching distance maybe they can save their title shot with a couple of signinings in the middle. That's if they make it.
I'm saying this because they look a lot like Liverpool 22/23. The usual star players just seem a tad slower and less sharp. It happens with age and maintaining a full 90 of pressing and staying on top of the opposition gets harder and harder every week.
Liverpool DID beat Chelsea !
This is the level of oversight I expect from the club or one of those other meme football channels.
and is Chelsea better than Milan and Leverkusen?
Obv meant Arsenal.
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Why would you predict Brighton to finish 12th? I don't get it. I hope Aberdeen get relegated now, JJ.
united 7th brighton 12th is wild :p
Regarding the Liverpool haven't played anyone yet theory, our last 4 premier-league games have been Chelsea, Arsenal, Brighton and Villa and we've won 3 and drawn the other. Chelsea can beat anyone on their day and have a really good chance of top 4, Arsenal have been runner's up in the past 2 seasons and were/are a lot of people's choice to win the league, Brighton are an excellent side who are currently in a really good run of form and have just beaten the reigning champions yesterday and Villa who are an excellent side with a great manager. So I would have no hesitation in saying that these are definitely not nobody sides and we've taken 10 points from a possible 12 in the 4 games. We've also beaten Bournemouth who've beaten Arsenal and City, plus Brentford who are a really well managed team and are definitely no walkovers. Also as bad as United have been there's no way they can be as bad when Amorim takes charge and suddenly playing them away could easily turn into a very hard game and we've already been there and gotten the 3 points, and City and Arsenal both have to go there and it's definitely not gonna be as easy as Liverpool made it look. Our only defeat was against a very well organised Forest team who have definitely earned their 3rd place position in the league. So to anyone who still thinks that Liverpool have played no one yet, you either know f-all about football or you're lying through your jealous teeth. Hopefully Slot can do what Paisley done, in terms of the apprentice outdoing the teacher and I'm cautiously optimistic that's gonna be the case. I can see Slot bringing in a ruthless streak, where by with City losing earlier in the day and really needing to win to capitalise on these rare City slip ups that's exactly what we're doing. Hell of a long way to go but I don't think even the most optimistic lfc fan could have hoped for such an unbelievable start to the season.
I am the Liverpool fun who thought it would be exactly as it is the moment pre-season finished. What the EPL has not yet understood is that Slot tactics fit the defensive and attacking skillset of the Liverpool players like a glove so much so that Liverpool nolonger need to play well to beat any team. His exploitation of zone 14 using goal scoring 8s and a 9 nullify our former Achilles heal of low blocks, Gravenbruch's press resistance and Macca's game reading nullify the midblock but if you decide to go toe to toe then you have to deal with the pace of Salah in behind which has proved to be challenging for most teams and if you stop all 3 like AC Milan did in the UCL. VVD and Konate on their day can do you on a corner or TAA with a free kick. Liverpool is the most dangerous side in the EPL but most are just blind to this fact in the here and now. I expect this team to hit its pick in december and Jan when Jota and Elliot are added to the attacking options but truely believe the wildcard will be Chiesa in the last few tight games of the season.
You'll fall off eventually, not winning games decisively enough. One goal wins will only be sufficient for so long, it's unsustainable.
@@charlesfinster4893 Or you could look at it another way. Because we're not slaughtering teams and sometimes only winning by the odd goal, to me with a new manager that means we can only get better the more the players understand what he wants. So suck it up and stay with whatever team you support who isn't gonna get near the league title, it's Liverpools!!!! Yeeeehaaaaaah!!!!
@@bordercollie1140 So true, just like the quadruple last season 😂 Or were you a City fan then?
@charlesfinster4893 being a fan of a football team obviously brings downers but it's main attraction is that optimistic feeling that your team is gonna win something big, so if Liverpool fans were optimistic about winning 4 trophies that we ultimately didn't win, so what? A true fan knows that that's what it's all about. I'm in my early 50s so I've seen way more than my fair share of trophies. 6 European cups isn't far off every single club in England put together's total. We dream big because we've done it all before and will again. Not a peep out of you about who you support. Doesn't really matter because they'll be behind Liverpool's success anyway. Best club, best fans and biggest trophy cabinet.
I haven’t watched the full thing- and already I can tell you there will be no praises for Liverpool. Jon’s biased against them is uncanny 😂😂
This weekends results made me laugh at his final prediction
that's not what uncanny means, but ok
His Leeds side always showing. Never change, Jon. Never change.
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhereyour use of that word is uncanny, cause it’s incorrect. 😭
Bias, not biased. Biased is an adjective, but you've used it as a noun here, and bias is the noun form of the word.
It's a really interesting season so far. 3 points between Chelsea in 4th and Newcastle in 11th is a cray tight mid-table.
You could make it even wider. 4 points between 3rd and 13th. The table is so congested at the moment as everyone is losing to everyone. lol It's chaos and I kinda like it.
@@CoconutJewce Yeah, now. My comment was written before the Sunday games.
@@SaturnusDK Well-aware. lol Just goes to show how one week (or matchday) can make a massive difference in this table where everyone is losing to each other.
@@CoconutJewce Absolutely. I'm loving how vital every single game is for every club. It's the dream when you have a league where all but a few teams are competing for the top positions.
I really love this podcast & the trio
Liverpool beat Chelsea 2-1. It is Arsenal that they drew with.
I want Brighton content
'Boring,' Farage.
This is the new Soccer AM
I hope that's sarcasm. Soccer AM was puerile blokey rubbish that never focused on actual football analysis. It was to football what top gear was to cars. Utter ladbible tosh. The soccer AM viewers wouldn't understand the level of analysis of these guys and would probably think it's too boring
JJ trying to save face for his predictions with an excellent Day Man shirt
thank you, couldn't figure out what the tshirt was
With Forest, that one goal against Brighton, where Chris Wood dropped into space to receive the ball, laid it off, then that player sending Jota through was literally, in my mind, the most idealistic goal a team could score.
"City have only lost three games" getting to this three weeks later I think the lads might want to re-redo their predictions.
Why are Brighton so low all of a sudden even though they have had a great start to the season?
Especially given our next 10 games are all very winnable.
@@jpah8944just saw their fixtures, I genuinely believe if Brighton put their head in it they can get 7 wins from it. Aston Villa may be a struggle though.
They honestly did really well vs the top teams.
@@jpah8944which means we will probs drop more points than we would playing top 6 ffs 😂
@@chadpashen348 haha as we always do mate!! We're nothing if not predictable when it comes to bottom of the table teams.
I would put Liverpool at the top, even though I'm not even a Liverpool fan myself
how can JJ have looked at Brighton's first 10 games and put them down a spot lol? Even before the win against City the signs have been very promising, done really well with a pretty hard run of fixtures
Completely agree!! Brighton have had one of the hardest fixture lists for the start of the season
Brighton will surely finish above Angeball and Newcastle this year, comfortably, and would be a shout for top 4 but I can’t see Arsenal and Chelsea dropping out of there.
John MacKenzie with Numbers 😆 🤣 😂 Always bringing what we don't notice... Great Job! 💯
FC Noah's manager said they weren't going to "park the bus" which was a joke since he and Mourinho are both Portuguese.
They had to take a 55 hour bus ride to play that match and they went for it. UEFA should have paid there plane ticket. They make plenty of $ from the sport and keeps creating more and more games for more and more money.
The next 3 games are big for Liverpool. Southampton could be tricky given they have to pick up points some time, and we might take our eye off them with Real Madrid rolling into town before City the following week. However, Liverpool could win all three and if they do I think they have to be favourites for the title.
I know it’s still early but the only reasons Joe and JJ could give for Liverpool not being favourites were basically “City are City” and “Vibes man, vibes”. JJ is internally screaming “HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!” every time Slot gets 3 points, but can’t explain why beyond, “he’s the same as Ten Hag, it shouldn’t work.”
Having watched a couple of Southampton games, though…I’d be devastated if Liverpool managed to lose that, eye on Madrid or not 😂
1:25 - Nottingham Forest's overperfomance has been insane
They're all just working hard, it's not over performing. This is the standard nuno requires from all his players or they are benched
So much Brighton disrespect on this channel
'If Liverpool continue with this momentum for the rest of the season, they'll be title contenders'
Don't get carried away lads!
😂
You know, 95 point (2.5 per match x 38 matches) usually only bring you into contention for maybe possibly, if things stack up right, to be in consideration of being close to maybe daring to say that there is a slight possibility of LFC being worth mentioning when talking about teams that could be at the top at the end of the season.
Oh boy, they all seem very reluctant to consider Liverpool as realistic challengers
YNWA. Thanks for not jinxing.
Klopp was a 21st century Shankly
I’m still dreaming that Slot is our 21st century Paisley
Jinxed
and the trophies will flow like water
Klopp was nowhere near Shankly's level
@ agreed
@@paulquaife7974It really annoys me when somebody states something as an absolute fact when all it is is their own personal opinion. There is nothing on the planet that can prove which manager was better and sticking the word opinion into your opinion would make you look a lot less like a know it all. If you're a Liverpool fan just be grateful that these 2 great leaders of men have been our managers instead of turning it into a completely unnecessary competition that can never be proven anyway.
Fair game analysis, bad predictions. Good luck sorting out Rodri's replacement, winding back De Bruyne's age, and poor recruitment.
Watching this just after City's Brighton result. Great stuff. However, (as a Liverpool fan) if I'm trying to be reasonable. Think of how Liverpool are being spoken about this season, the papers and pundits can't stop raving about Slot. Now think of how City are being spoken about now they've just lost to Brighton. It's "crisis club" talk. And yet, there's only 5 points difference.
I mean those opinions are moreso talking on an overall scale than purely a premier league one. I doubt people would be this wild over slot if it weren't for scoring 4 goals on leverkusen in one half, and same thing for City flopping if it weren't for losses against sporting in the champions league and spurs in the carabao cup(or was it fa cup idr)
Yes, City usually have a slump. But they usually don't have to go all season without Rodri. Add to that they have a quite aged starting XI with Walker, KDB, Gundogan, Kovacic etc. It might be that Pep have run its course at City. Same thing happened at Liverpool with Klopp in the end. We'll see if Liverpool can rotate and save players better more so there's anything left in the tanks towards the last 8 games. I think Slot's more controlling football is better suited for just that. But we'll see. Liverpool were top of the league at Christmas too. It doesn't mean anything at this stage.
'I'm just not sure that Liverpool are as consistent as their results have been' - 33:55. The results were achieving themselves?
I've only watched two videos from this particular podcast. And unfortunately some of the stuff this Jon says shows he hasn't got a clue, doesn't watch Liverpool games and just gets his information probably from talksport or ESPN . He hasn't got a clue and I would assume he supports a team that doesn't like Liverpool as well .
The dry humour on these is so good
Palace's drop off and Forest's start have been the biggest surprises for me. Followed by Arsenal/Brighton/Liverpool. Looking at West Ham's recruitment and managerial appointment this summer, it seemed obvious they would drop off given how drastic the transition would be.
As a Chelsea fan Very disappointed you guys didn't mention us once and the improvement we've had and your expectations..Kudos to John for predicting 3rd.
That's what I've noticed too. They only seem to mention Chelsea when we're bad or having a crisis. Same with Tifo and same here with the Athletic.
Sorry but Chelsea are not finishing above City, Liverpool, Arsenal or Villa. In order to get top four you must replace one of them, and you are neither equal to nor better than any of them. You have a had a good start to the season by beating the teams you were meant to beat, but when faced with equal of better opposition you haven't even looked lucky. You are a 6th to 8th best place team currently.
@@VethoRinga yea they only like Negativity about Chelsea
@@justsean09 you know nothing
@@Royalgreatnessmedia I know a better team when I see one. Chelsea are already looking like the wheels are coming off.
Its curious to see the skepticism around Liverpool given how much more solid they clearly look defensively under Slot ; once they go into the lead in games they rarely look like conceding. They'd be definite favourite at this point for me.
Brighton in 12th! I wonder what they would have said if the video was predicting the PL again after 11 games. The seagulls dominated Liverpool until they fell apart at the end and they played City off the ground. If they don’t make top 6, I’ll be surprised.
I would say less than brighton fell more and more that Liverpool were rejuvenated with Slot's substitutes, I watched that game and I still felt a constant threat from brighton as a Liverpool fan so they definetly didn't fall off! Idunno about top 6 though, I'm predicting them barely missing out on europe as other sides like Aston Villa and Forest have been really suprising for me
@@Orewastakenstill think brighton will finish behind villa and forest? Beat Southampton tomorrow and we'll go second in the league.
@Leftenant334 2 matchdays ago Forest was in 3rd and like 4 or 5 ago we thought Man City clutched the title after Forest beat Liverpool, a couple of days at 2nd doesn't matter, what matters is consistency. Which I don't think Brighton have that.
@@Orewastaken Brighton already have a lot of injuries right now, including to the oldest and most experienced members of our squad, which is part of th reason for our home inconsistency against teams like wolves. Nonetheless we have already played the big 6, winning three of those games, drawing at arsenal, and only losing very early in the season to Chelsea and more recently in a tightly contested game to liverpool. Given that many of our players will be soon returning from injury, and indeed players bought in the summer (and scheduled for january; Diego Gomez, messi's mls teammate) will be worked into the squad, I can only see brighton becoming more consistent and resilient as the season continues. Meanwhile villa have had an arguably easier fixture list than brighton, with fewer injuries (If I'm not mistaken), played 4 of the big 6 and beaten none (admittedly played fewer home games) and have a harder fixture list leading into the new year than Brighton, playing Newcastle, chelsea and forest away while Brighton only play midtable and relegation threatened teams until villa themselves on gw19. And when you consider that villa are currently in the champions league and likely to progress to knockout stages, their already evident slump in form is unlikely to get better as injuries stack up and players grow even wearier. Bar a miraculous recruitment in january, I see villa finishing between 8th and 11th, below (currently) stronger teams such as Bournemouth, newcastle, forest, and possibly even west ham.
Currently the only teams I am fairly confident will finish above Brighton are Liverpool and Arsenal, and 50/50 city if they recruit well in January. Chelsea have been just as inconsistent as brighton if not more, drawing to Palace and Forest at home, however I'd say there is also a good chance they finish above Brighton, leaving us in 4th or 5th, which given the expected performance of English teams in Europe this season, is likely to be champions league qualification either way. I also think brighton are dark horses for the title, given Liverpools lack of squad evolution from last season, Arsenal's similarly unchanged squad and disciplinary issues (as well as vulnerability without odegaard), Chelsea's difficulty in producing a single consistent XI which can gel, City's extended lack of a holding midfielder, and the inconsistency of other teams such as Spurs, United, Villa and Newcastle. Meanwhile Brighton arguably have the best attacking depth in the league, more midfield depth than teams such as Arsenal, Liverpool and City, and have great individual quality all over the pitch and on the bench. The only reason I would say as to why Brighton are unlikely to win the league currently is the fragility their defence has shown, particularly in defending leads against weaker opposition, and our lack of overall defensive depth currently. However if we get through to January with minimal points lost in our upcoming string of matches against the kinds of opposition we have struggled against so far, and recruit a few defenders in January, I seriously wouldn't be surprised by a top 2 finish.
3:38 worth mentioning too that as well as just being tall, Milenkovic had the best aerial win percentage of any player in Europe's top 5 leagues with more than 1000 minutes at CB last season (88%). Next best were Maguire (86%) and van Dijk (84%). So he's in good company.
Data courtesy of HudlStatsbomb.
Newcastle vs Nottingham will be the match to watch 🎉
Im going to the stadium 😊 i hope for another 3 points!
@nico-lasty I am for Newcastle mate 3 points to nufc🤍
@@anmoljeetsingh8837 i live half a mile from the city ground, 3points is staying home in Nottingham 😂 good luck, gonna be a good game 😚
@@nico-lasty you don't know nothing nico
@anmoljeetsingh8837 was trying to have banter with you boy. Humble yourself down there in 10th. Newcastle gonna lose, bookmark this 😘
18:54 Andersen I think is a huge loss. Everyone talks about Olise, and while he's undoubtedly a massive player the sale of Anderson just seemed bizarre, especially selling to a direct rival who are now performing much better than expected.
Manchester United have been have been awful this season but to say they are lucky to be 13th is insane….horrendous luck against Brighton, horrible luck/refereeing vs West Ham and unlucky vs palace…it couldn’t have gone any worse…Bruno sent off vs spurs which was recinded
Also played pretty well until the Liverpool game. I agree it was a poor take
Yeah, I don't even think we've been that bad outside of the Liverpool and Spurs games (and we weren't even *that* bad against Liverpool tbh). And the daylight robbery of two points against West Ham. Those two points would put us ahead of Spurs and 2 points behind 3rd. 😂 "Abysmal"
They've got mid table midfielders, bottom 6 defenders and bottom 4 attackers
@@LAndrewNextwhat has that
Got to do with how lucky they have been.
It makes sense. Statistically speaking, you can represent a dataset of millions with a sample size of just 100 - 200. Obviously, the higher the sample, the better the data, but that ratio still holds true. In PL terms, 26.3% of the dataset is already complete. So, statistically, 25% of a dataset is actually pretty reliable, especially when you factor in form from previous seasons.
I don't know if it is stated enough what a great presenter Joe Devine is.
As a Liverpool fan Slot is getting all the luck Klopp didn't get, including the corrupt ref getting kicked out. Rodri getting injured was the game changer.
The boys! Mark Carey stuck in the data too, sheeesh
Keep waiting for guadola to solve his problem rather than acknowledge Slot Liverpool success 😅😂😊
Lopetegui... How he got to manage a team in the premier league it stills blows my mind! just check his work at FC Porto and how he left the club.. I would never want him near my team ever
Looking forward to the matchweek 37 predictions
Think Newcastle are being underestimated and Man Utd/Tottenham overestimated here.
Ange has been completely figured out and he's a very one dimensional manager. There's never any plan B with him. People are assuming things will get better at Man Utd under Amorim, but he's going to want them to play an entirely new system and I think they're going to struggle while they're adapting.
1:26 - 😂 At least Joe has a few which are in the correct positions, but for JJ it's 0
Interesting.
I think Liverpool finishes 10-12 points clear at the top of the table.
This Is aging like milk 27th of December here 😅
The hate for liverpool is crazy .... not as consistent as their results every metric there absolutely consistent hahaha it's madness the amount of hate that baldy clown he's been doing this for years
So nothing really outrageous then. I'll see you in round 20. Cheers.
I think brighton finish 5th or 6th ahead of villa & totenham & most likely united
We've been there before. Top of the league then City go on a 14 game winning streak. Actually just happened last year.
Everyone’s making a “we’re sorry forest fans” video 😂
gonna need to hear why JJ has dropped Brighton a place, surely they've been better than expected
Teams are rocketing up and down the table on 1 result right now
Good show again lads. I'm a Forest fan. Whilst your analysis on Forest is sound I would offer that our improved possession stats (up 0.7% according to your data) is largely irrelevant. Look at Southampton as a comparator. Under Cloughie Forest were fantastic in defence. That model will always lead to success and that has been our main change so far this season.
I’d really appreciate if you guys could provide english subtitles. Non native speaker like me had a hard time trying to catch what you guys are saying and the CC is not that helping. Great analysis as always!
Bruh Wan Bissaka's roast video is amazing
Man Utd jumping 13 to 6? Come off it. Also, Brighton has played phenomenal against a pretty balanced schedule so far. So how do you have them dropping so far? We have lost to Chelsea and Liverpool and that's it. That would be a monumental streak of losses for us to drop that far.
I have a good feeling about Amorin going to United. He beats City handsomely and even had some words for United after the game! He's not left Lisbon yet, but he's already giving United team talks!
Heard the same thing about every United manager the last 12 years ..
@@_XPERIA_ As have I! Nothing wrong with saying it again though, eh?! The worst that can happen is it all goes t*ts up again, which we've witnessed already, so where's the harm?!?
yeah i think destiny want liverpool won premier league. PGMOL, rodri injury, liverpool playing under ten hag on OT while other team playing against amorim, idont know if he is good but man utd under new manager always good
Man this makes me nostalgic for the Tifo Football Podcast
Have to say, Wolves seem like the Leicester of two years ago where they have the players that make you think "Yeh they can't get relegated" and then they do and a couple of players go to top clubs like Maddison did. They just seem doomed and O'Neil doesn't have any answers to their problems, which I hate to say because they do play good football most seasons
How come on the front montage of managers you don't have Slot? And was that a picture of Amorim on the front, a manager who isn't at MUFC for another month?
Insufferable. "They didn't beat Chelsea their first big big big challenge." Even if he meant Arsenal, that was an away game and neither did ManC beat Arsenal at home. What was the point again?
After todays match isn’t it time to switch L’pool and City around
They would need to be well into the end of May 2025 before they might consider the possibility that its worth assuming that there is a slight possibility of it might have happen.
I like the thumbnail click-bait. They certainly forgot to Slot someone in. YNWA or You’ll Never Slot Alone😂
do a video on the serie a title race. top 6 all within 2 points, the tightest its been at this stage since the introduction of 3 points for a win in the league
Joe Devine is the greatest being in the world. Nevermind Jesus or Cole Palmer, Devine is #1 😂
I'm surprised well known Newcastle fan JJ Bull put Newcastle in 9th
That's fine - just keep underestimating Newcastle. Every time they turn over a " big " team its how badly the defeated outfit played. Their form level that murdered PSG is back, with no European football mid week, players STILL to come back from injury ( Botman Lascelles and Trippier ) and potentially serious funds available in January, especially if the PSR farce is resolved in Man City's favour.
United are going to be this season’s biggest movers
I do feel like these there (and previousiterations helmed by Joe Devine) do have a pretty unique chemistry. If the concern was not having enough to say i wonder if a reduced release schedule would have worked.
Tbh I don't agree that United has been abysmal. Most clean sheets in the league and the defense has looked pretty solid (tied with Arsenal for 4th lowest goals against). The main problems have been the midfield sometimes getting overrun or making sloppy mistakes that lead to goals, and the entire frontline being unable to score a damn goal. If anything, they've been unlucky to be down in 13th. The only games that felt abysmal were the Spurs spanking and the Villa game where the clear objective was just not to lose. lol And let's not forget how a point was stolen by West Ham over that shambolic penalty. With that point back, they'd be joint 11th with the same points total as Spurs and 3 points behind Chelsea in 3rd. It's really not been that horrible despite being the worst start ever.
not to mention utd could've won against brighton or even drawn with them
the amount of people that told me "you don't know ball" when I said Glasner and that overrated bang average Wharton weren't the world class talents people assumed they were. They both only stood out when last season was coming to a close. Pretty much every one of Palace's opponents already knew they were safe and had very little to play for, so the new manager bounce really took effect against opponents only putting 50 percent effort in. Same with wharton. Well done mate you stood out against a makeshift united midfield that had no chance of top 4 and were thinking more about the fa cup. He's hardly "a baller blood yo innit fam" for having a lot of the ball against a succession of opponent midfielders that didn't want to pick up an injury for the upcoming euros. Their true level has been visible this season. Glasner will be gone in a couple of weeks and Wharton will be watching Will Hughes from the bench (you know, that other superstar tipped for greatness when he left the championship for the Premier league)
I see The Athletic FC, I click, I like before watching
Do this after every 10 games
Joe Devine - Top man
Can we have it right lads? Elliot Anderson cost us 15 million as part of a trade deal with Vlachodimos going the other way for 20 mill, reported at the time sold for 35 mill but for PSR only
Much like other clubs that did these deals on this sort of get around?
JJ with the Nightman lyrics shirt
Newcastle are coming for that top 4 spot and I don’t think anyone can stop up us now
This is the only media outlet that has said United aren't MASSIVELY underperforming thei xG AND it's the only outlet to not show the data....
What happened with Forest is everyone LAUGHED at our fans when Athletic did a survey and we were the most optimistic fans about our team in August. Pundits are arrogant and never listen to the fans. Fans as a whole know much more about their teams than you do. Maybe learn something from this.
But pundits are much more objective than fans. Fans are always optimistic and biased towards the team they support.
@@ericlamela371 In a thing like a survey of fans optimism though the results compensate for bias because it is how optimistic teams' fans are relative to each other.
Forest fans knew we had plenty to be optimistic about this season because we have been watching Forest much more closely than any pundit has. They watch highlights and the odd full game on sky.
Lol I'd give you the benefit of the doubt if you Forest fans weren't absolutely flaming Nuno last season, for the most part.
@@ericlamela371 Pundits aren't more objective than fans
I think thats more of a exception. for example look at Man Utd and how optimistic the majority of the fans were regarding EtH in the summer...
I hope later in the season we have a "re-re-predicting the EPL"
Still miss Tifo, as much as the quality of this is higher, there’s no discussion of LOTR, Mr skeleton, or random music knowledge. I mean why am I even tuning into this football podcast
Some wonderful hair in that thumbail. And Nuno too.
Neecastle are a converted Gordon penalty off 3rd place and yet they are put 8th and 9th in these predictions despite now being on the up and no European football. Madness
+1 for the Always Sunny Tshirt
That filling waiting for City to loose their games but still ending up winning those matches is what is happening to Liverpool Hater's 😂😊
Top tier t-shirt, JJ.
Will these be going up on The Athletic app as a podcast?
Remember when man utd fans tried to say wan bissaka was better than Trent😂
He was the best defensive full back ITW at Palace. Another of our academy products ruined by that joke of a club sadly.