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Rob, to make you realize how wrong you are, I will use an example... and your imagination. Let's imagine, for example, that Ireland or France want the British government to stop all large investments planned in the UK. Because they claim they pose a serious threat to the environment, but in reality they pose a threat to their business. They say not to expand any port or build any airports. And liberal British politicians say in interviews that, for example, building a large airport in Blefast is unnecessary, because it is the government's gigantomania, and besides, there is an airport in Dublin. Poland is currently in such a situation. Germany wants to stop all large investments in Poland and the liberal politicians who won the elections say exactly the same. Only a month has passed since the elections in Poland, and they have already announced that there will be no construction of a new, large airport near Warsaw. They also question the construction of a nuclear power plant in Poland.
See what's happening in Poland now, Rob. Three months have passed since the elections and the new government has just released from prison four people accused of spying for Russia. We also already have the first decisions taken on the initiative of German lobbying. In north-western Poland, they plan to create a new national park in the place where a new container port and gas terminal are being built, to where we were to import gas from Norway. Which in practice will block its further development and prevent the development of shipping in this region, and these were strategic investments for the development of Poland. Investments that Germans did not like and that the current government criticized while in opposition before the 2023 elections. It looks like you will have to spit out all your joy about the election results in our country and say: "I'm sorry, I was wrong, it's not good for Poland that the election results were like this." I hope you will have the courage to post such a video soon on your channel. And you will admit your mistake.😉
Both the video and your reactions to it are "politically correct" 🙂. I want to underline some blatantly false statements I noticed in the original video: The Polish PM didn't say anything about "stopping" military support for Ukraine. Donald Tusk doesn't seem dedicated to assist Ukraine's fight (it were the leaders of Law and Justice who were the first EU politicians to visit Kiev after the outbreak of the war. Tusk has never met Zelensky). The President isn't a member of Law and Justice. The video wants to present the Civic Platform as "good" and the Law and Justice as "bad" (nearly "fascist", isn't that so?). Many elements of the video (like the false statements I noticed, but also the photographs of the leaders of both parties) are designed to create sympathy for one side and dislike for the other. It seems you got bought into it 🙂. But, well, I don't consider Poland's sovereignty an offence to anybody. Nor the federalisation of the EU "a must". From my perspective calling Poland and Hungary "unruly members of the EU" (illustrated by a map of Europe with a "behave yourself" addressed to the two countries) is simply arrogance. Poland didn't join the EU to be "ruly". The Lisbon Treaty nowhere said anything about subordinate position of any member states. I consider Law and Justice reminding about that a very positive act. If somebody values sovereignty of his state (and I believe one should), a rule of those who want to dismantle it isn't something to be approved of.
"The President isn't a member of Law and Justice." do you also believe in the Santa Claus? You (and you alike) are one of the dumbest and easiest to manipulate people alive. One only needs to speak about protecting sovereignty, or speak about patriotism, and you will buy whatever they will say. Don't bother replying. You lack the tools to change my mind, and i don't care enough to change yours.
You probably get used to the biased materials in TVP, so an independent matetial from TLDR News might be a shock for you. I don't blame you... Can you tell us when Mateusz Morawiecki was elected as a polish Prime Minister? Was it 2017? And when he has visited Ukraine for the very first time, remind us kindly, as to the best of my knowledge it was 2022. It ilustrates the ties between Poland and Ukraine prior to the war. Unfortunately, this trip you are praising was just another PR move. Everything this government did was for the domestic use. Compare this PR moves to real actions, just like with the grain crisis, which they were warned about a year prior it happening, and their response was terribly wrong for our relations with Ukraine... Maybe it will shock you, but since 2021 Donald Tusk hold no official position anywhere, so I don't know how you imagine him going to Kiev, and for what. Just to take a photo like Morawiecki did? He had nothing to offer, so your accusation is out of place. I bet u will see him next month at Kiev as a PM. Brussel and Kiev would be the very first place he will visit. And this will demonstrate his attitude towards Ukraine. But above all, actions. As PiS for the sake of winning elections, was saying things, that harmed our relationship. Like they always do. Domestic PR above national interest and diplomacy... President Duda isn't a member of PiS, but watch him out, just in 2 years his term will end, and I bet he will rejoin the party. I'm even guessing he will want to be a successor of Jaroslaw Kaczynski. You can give up membership, but it's your actions that matter. His behavior is not like this of president Kwasniewski, who was an independent politician and often was against his party. Present situation illustrates it perfectly - he asked PM Morawiecki to form the government being perfectly aware that he is unable to (even PiS leader openly says that they will be in oposition). And yes, winning party was always asked to form a government in the first place, but the winning party was also able to form coalition if needed. And here, every single party leader told president that they won't form a coalition with PiS. Not to mention that new majority was confirmed this week, when Holownia was elected. What did your "independent" president said? That he believes in PM Morawiecki promises. As you can see, he doesn't need to be a member of PiS, to behave as one... It's not the EU fault, that your favourite government doesn't know to do to diplomacy and that politic is a conflict of interest. If they wasn't able to protect your interest, they wasn't woth to stay in power. As simple as that. France and Germany doesn't rule in EU. It's 27 nations that make the decisions. And both of this countries can be outvoted. But PiS had no allies, so it was impossible for them. Not even one really ally you can rely on. Remind us what was the result in voting for EU council president (Tusk)? Was it 26:1? It shows how small this party is - they can't stand Donald Tusk so much, they voted against polish politician being in this position. Cooperation is a world they do not understand, and this is why they lost power, despite abusing it...
The problem in Poland is that every new government instead of continuing what was boeing done tries to undo all the decisions. Politics can't communicate and their voters can't too, it hurts that we can't talk anymore to people who vote differently from us. I'm tired of the campaign, it was really brutal from all sides of political scene. I hope for the best now but I realise it will be a long process. What makes me happy though is that so many people voted (in comparison in 2005 it was just 40% so big progress since then!)
Problem is this. Lech walesa saved post comunist with his signature. Donald tusk overthrown Olszewski goverment and reseat almost all comies back. During his regin we get in the poverty. During his full po reg8n Poland literalu bankrupy and had no army or anything and was exposed yo russian invashion luckly in 2014 PIS got in to gov and saved Poland from russian invasion. Because tractat about spying on NATO signed by donald tusk him self lost the importance with new goverment. If not this russians whould invade Poland in 2014 not ucraine. After 8 years moroned kidds voted tusk back in not knowing not remembering how Poland was poor 8 years elier and how big risk was set in. Only because of sware words mask behinf 8 stars. DISASTER. IT is end of europe to. Because Poland as only country was VETO all stupid UE legislations. Soon Poland eill be decimated by EU laws and russian army. END! ONLY GODS MIRACLE CAN SAVE US NOW!
opowiedz o brutalności kampanijnej tzw opozycji. ciekawi mnie, co ktoś może porównać do wykluczania ze społeczeństwa w tvp i permanentnej inwigilacji bronią cybernetyczną, preznaczoną do zwalczania terroryzmu
@@pogorach Straszenie wszystkich (łącznie z Dudą) trybunałem stanu, nazywanie drugiej strony złem wcielonym, mordercami itp, itd. Uważam, że nie udało im się przeprowadzić kampanii pozytywnej, może ewentualnie 3 drodze. Zwycięstwo Tuska wynikało ze słabości PiSu, nie z siły KO. Mieszkam pod Poznaniem gdzie PiS jest bardzo słaby, ale mój przyjaciel i jego rodzina ich popierają, przez co byli wyśmiewani, szykanowani, itd. Polaryzacja w Polsce jest olbrzymia i ludzie obrzucają się błotem. Nie jesteśmy jeszcze na poziomie USA, ale idziemy w tym kierunku.
@@MyPrideFlagdokładnie popieram to co napisałeś już wystarczy zobaczyć na hasła opozycji o np. sprawie aborcji, gdzie żaden trybunał konstytucyjny nie mógł niezależnie od poglądów orzec inaczej... Jak i stworzenie całego sporu o trybunał konstytucyjny, który PO zapoczątkował w swoich latach rządzenia naginajac prawa demokracji i konstytucji, a zwalajac później winę na łamanie prawa przez PiS czy łamanie demokracji przez PiS, gdzie PiS nieudolnie próbował tylko przywrócić reguły uczciwej gry. Jedna strona drugiej warta, ale zauważyłem wśród elektoratu u obu parti brak krytycznego myślenia i wierzenia w nielogiczne hasła emocjonalne np. Aborcja to prawo człowieka. Manipulacja, bo prawa człowieka są określone i aborcja nie może być prawem człowieka, bo godzi w prawo do życia (jedno i najważniejsze prawo człowieka), ale jak takim zmanipulowanym emocjami powiesz nie mów tak, bo to jest bzdura to zaraz od mizoginów i ciemiezycieli kobiet zjadą nawet nie znając mojego stosunku do legalizacji aborcji. Emocje haselka poprostu się sprzedają i wywołanie aborcji jako prawa czlowieka(czegoś pozytywnego) zmuszają myśleć podatną osobę na sugestie, że aborcja to dobro bo jest prawem człowieka bez najmniejszej refleksji na tak złożony i skomplikowany temat, jakim jest aborcja sama w sobie.
@@michal8976 PiS jednak poszedł dużo dalej od PO z rozwalaniem TK, trudno powiedzieć żeby próbował coś naprawiać, jak wszyscy sędziowie jak leci są niekonstytucyjnie wybrani, a jeszcze Ziobrzyści żrą się z resztą PiSu paraliżując tą instytucję. Natomiast bawi mnie jak opozycja (dotychczasowa) opowiada jak oni tego nie naprawią w 24h, co sprowadziłoby się do tego, że wypierdolą sędziów PiSu i dadzą swoich. I tak to będzie się toczyło, że każda nowa władza będzie zaczynać od czystek. Nie wiem czy przywrócenie jakiegoś porządku konstytucyjnego jest w jakikolwiek sposób możliwe. Głównię winę tu PiS, ale PO też nie jest bez winy. Apropos aborcji wolę się nie wypowiadać, ja osobiście popieram stary kompromis, ale jest to temat trudny, tak jak mówisz manipulowany przez oba bloki polityczne. Sensem mojego komentarza jest, nie dajmy się skłócić politykom. Często tworzą sztuczne podziały, nie ma miejsca na dialog. Moja własna siostra nie chce ze mną rozmawiać ze względu na poglądy, bo nie popieram ideologii gender i nie lubię lewicy jako partii. Nawet nie głosowałem na PiS ani konfę. Ale media jątrzą nienawiść i jak ktoś się z tobą nie zgadza to zły człowiek od razu. Nie popieram ataków na osoby LGBT, nie popieram ataków na chrześcijan (gdzie się czuję osobiście dotknięty). Po prostu chcę żebyśmy się szanowali jako Polacy, co nie oznacza, że musimy się zgadzać. Ale wszechobecna nienawiść jest przytłaczająca. PiSior, lewak, platfus, konfiarz itd, itp...
regardless of your political views, you are making a bold move here. I'll just say this - be careful with the topic of politics in Poland, especially if you don't live here.
It's just a funny RUclips video. Are you proposing to have an argument with an Englishman here? What for? what controversy? I do not know what you mean 😅
Rob, I like you very much, but you're on very shaky ground. Many people who have lived their whole lives in Poland don't even really understand it... that's why, unfortunately, their image of reality is created by the media. Liberal mainstream European media hates PiS because it opposes the destruction of nation states and replacing them with a European state. Moreover, PIS respects tradition and conservative and patriotic values, which is very frowned upon in the EU mainstream. That's why I'll show you some comparison in numbers (8 years of PO [Tusk] rule vs. 8 years of PIS [Kaczyński] rule: *Unemployment - PO 14.4% vs PIS 5.2% *National minimum - PO PLN 1,680 vs. PIS PLN 3,600 Polish budget - PO PLN 283 billion vs PIS PLN 693 billion Support for children [monthly for 1 child] - PO PLN 0 vs. PIS PLN 500 Minimum pension - PO PLN 831 vs. PIS PLN 1,588 Army size - PO 80 thousand vs. PIS 172 thousand Army budget - PO PLN 32 billion vs PIS PLN 97 billion and much much more, which shows that the PIS government was much better and more effective.. Don't be naive please... Tusk [PO] is the guy who was president of the European parliament when the UK was negotiating Brexit and did everything to make the UK lose as much as possible.... When Tusk was the Prime Minister of Poland, he was constantly at war with the president of Poland, Lech Kaczyński (brother of the head of PiS). He allowed the Polish president to be murdered in Russia in the same way that Putin murdered Prigozin... in a plane crash Tusk is a disaster for Poland... not all gold glitters and not every guy in a white shirt is a good character
The name of the party has historical meaning mostly, when it started it was using popularity of former minister of justice who was one of its founders. Later nobody was really thinking what the name stood for, it was just some name the party used :)
Current Polish politics is like that: KO - Koalicja obywatelska (civic coalition) is a mix of left/center parties, like PO - Platforma Obywatelska (Civic Platform), Z - Zieloni (Greens), N - Nowoczesna (Modern), IP - Inicjatywa Polska ( Polish Initiative). L - Lewica (Left) is a mix of left parties like: PPS - Polska Partia Socjalistyczna (Polish Socialist Party), NW - Nowa Lewica (New Left Party), R - Razem (Together). TW - Trzecia Droga (Third Way) - is a mix of right/center parties like: PSL - Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe (Polish Folk Party) and P2050 - Polska 2050 (Polish 2050). So that is very huge, but very different parties against PiS , Prawo i Sprawiedliwość (Law and justice) There will be many problems in many things and ideas to push in debates. Polish Politics system is divided in three ways, Sejm, senat and president. President have a right to sign up or reject aan act from sejm. IF president have signed an act so then an act is going to senate where these peoples is checking if it is right with constitution. If President have rejected an act or has doubts about an act so may direct it to constitution tribunal to check if such act is right with constitution and if may sign it. I hope that i have explained our political system. Sorry for my english.
I got anecdote: When I was in Peru I met tourists who lived in Venezuela for past few years... I asked them what's really going on in there cause I'm watching global news and the picture isn't clear for me enough. They said to me that every news I've heard/seen is usually a peak of an iceberg and the real problem lays few layers below, that you need to be local to fully understand it. After Poland becoming wide spread topic in many world media I finally understand what he ment.
@@mateuszgrajko So you think Britain has gone east? What the officials from Brussels, controlled by Germany, are creating is the equivalent of the USSR, the authorities in the EU are not democratically elected - it must fall apart.
We should show to Weber "finger", he should focus in German problems. Poland will grow, eventually, but will be tough, cause we sell too much our nation properties to international corps.
Poles understand words defining political affiliation differently compared to English people, based on experience from the past of Polish politics as well as the way the country is governed by political parties that have historically obtained a parliamentary majority. Poland is a country where you have to look at the actions of politicians and parties to determine their degree of affiliation to the right or left, although sometimes these concepts are mixed within one party, which is reflected in the way it operates. The Civic Coalition, called the center-left, can be very misleading for an Englishman, because it refers to everything else but money and finances (on the financial side, D. Tusk is more similar to Margaret Thatcher) and it bears absolutely no resemblance to the Labor party from the UK. The "far right" are basically conservatives/ideological traditionalists who leaned towards the center in these elections, pressing for lower taxes and at the same time avoiding social benefits to a minimum, agitating for looser regulations for business and simplifying the complicated Polish tax law. Law and Justice only in name is right-wing or ideologically center-right, but when it comes to finances, they are socialists because they give away more in social benefits than any party before them. Pensioners were most satisfied with Law and Justice, as they gained significantly during their rule through reforms in the pension system, or rather revaluation of pensions, and they also lifted the country out of poverty to some extent by providing benefits for children and establishing a minimum wage, which did not exist before. Unfortunately, the two parliamentary systems in the UK and Poland are significantly different and cannot be compared one to one.
I was laughing so badly waching this poor video about polish politics. Yes, yes, I know, that's only my opinion. But things are so much more complicated. Aaaaaand don't forget. Nothing about Poland without Poland. It's about our indenpendence. IMO the veto rule in the EU is good and it shoud stay like that. Take care!
Nope. The veto rule should be changed, because 1 bad actor bought by Russia (Hungary for example) can destroy the union (instead of just 1 country countering the other 27 countries it should be changed to 4 - 6 countries so their needs to be build a coalition). This is exactly what happened to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, at its time a superpower in Europe and destroyed by the Liberum Veto.
@@bohomazdesign725 what union? You live in some kind of dream if you think every country in ue has the same needs, belives and goals. Germany or France doesnt care about what Poland want and without any kind of veto power we will be in deep trouble.
Improving relations with the EU means agreeing to quotas, i.e. accepting a certain number of illegal emigrants. And also extremely expensive energy reforms related to reducing co2 emissions.From what I heard, although the UK is not in the EU, it has adopted even stricter criteria for reducing CO2 emissions, which also affects the difficult situation of farmers and industry in the UK.
Nope realistic is cooperation and strengthening our position through showing our power in being a central EU powerhouse the right way not standing in the corner of the world like idiots together with Orban and other right wing nutjobs, only bitching and of course wanting money without any responsibilities.@@malkontentniepoprawny6885
@@malkontentniepoprawny6885 To trochę smutne, że sprzeciw wobec zakazu samochodów czy przymusowego remontowania mieszkań w imię zmniejszenia śladu węglowego nagla stało się domeną "skrajnej" prawicy. Jakby te postulaty nie były RADYKALNIE lewicowe.
Exactly so. And what's more - it is Germany and their mignon Tusk who would be the first to back out from supporting Ukraine, if the US got busy somewhere else. This video is propaganda ;-) .
What would the English, the inhabitants of London, do if their mayor said "Why do we need an airport near London when there will soon be a large airport in Paris"? And this is what the president of Warsaw (vice-chairman of the Civic Platform) said about the CPK (Central Communication Port) being built, which is of great importance in the transport of people, cargo and security, combined with high-speed rail to every region of Poland - "Why do we need an airport near Warsaw if there will be a large airport soon in Berlin" - and won the elections. By the way, 76% of the media market in Poland is in the hands of foreign capital, mainly German.
13:05 yes, that will be huge problem: only thing that unites these people is removal of PiS from ruling, everything else divides them. I wouldn't be surprised, if we would have next election is Poland soon... ( like in less than 6 months)
1:25 thing is, Polish justice system isnt perfect and judges are above law - they cannot be stopped for speeding, they can refuse being alcohol-tested even, if they are plain drunk, they cannot be trialed for common crimes etc. All that requires disciplinary board(which consists from their collegues) to remove their immunity and make them viable for trial. I dont need to say here, that there were situations were some judges overused that privillege and never paid for braking the law as average Pole would do. PiS( Law and Justice) tried to fix that situation with creating independent disciplinary court, which would be independent from judges, but... that created a risk that this disciplinary court would be... dependent from politicians... and EU supreme court supported that complaints and decided that this new body should be disbanded and that's were it all failed 😂
All legal professions are dominated by former communists and their descendants. The judiciary has not been cleared of judges who sentenced fighters for a free and democratic Poland. They created a system in which only their children could become judges, lawyers and notaries. A kind of mafia arrangement was created.
Hi Rob, please buddy don't go in to politics, specially polish. It's complicated enough for brightest brains to work it out, and very dividing. Keep this channel politics free please.
Ow Rob... You were so naive with idea of this video:P You have right about politics, talkin about it, but in Poland it's a kind of internal war. Divides are so deep and they are on so many levels, that for many people it's a matter of life and death. Russian agents, "bought by Germany" enemies of "real Poland", "traitor to the nation". I'ts a huge mess here. What I meant was asking people to comment about fresh elections was a little danger:P
I agree you shouldnt touch Polish politics. You would be surprised how so many things you think are simple have quit complicated structure. Keep this blog light, please.
@@RobReacts1 You are very naive to believe that the EU is a good thing. Especially now when the EU intends to change the content of the treaties so as to deprive the governments of member states of the right to decide, for example, about their finances. The issue of defense is also to be taken over by the EU government. A reform of the European Commission is also planned. If successful, as many as 12 countries will not have a representative there. The EU is currently an organization subordinated to the interests of Germany and France. Rob, your country was lucky that Brexit happened.
@@RobReacts1 There are many things that people forgot when they voted against the current government. For example, in the years 2007-2015, when today's opposition was in power, there was 14% unemployment in Poland. And young people had to work on "junk contracts", for the equivalent of one pound per hour, which forced them to emigrate en masse to work west. Including to Great Britain.
Nah men, do not let the Karens, antivaxxers, Russ lovers and other nutjobs/paid trolls/ idiots discourage you from any topic, she is 100% salty you were not singing praises to her party or calling Tusk a german devil :D EU is 100% the best thing to happen to Poland in the last 3-4 centuries, stupid people are just more afraid of the change and more prone to beliving in global conspiracies to take control from them, as if beign poor, isolated and on Russian/American mercy is better than having a democratic voting voice inside the EU... just shortsightness and fear of change.
The only thing you were wrong about is the parties, while the left is indeed splintered Civic Coalition is historically more center right and PSL/Third way are definently conservative center right parties, the left voters sum up only to about 15% of the total voting base, law and justice is conservative but fiscally their policies were definently more left leaning than the previous goverments for example, so it is indeed complicated.@@RobReacts1
Unfortunatelly the material you've watched was very manipulative on many levels. Even You catch some unwilingly by looking at the portaits of the politics wchich were deliberately chosen to show some politics as good looking and others with wry faces. Another example are the names of parties. Thle Law and Justice party was acused because it tried to reform the law which badly touched the memmbers of the opposition who had some things behind the ears and Eu exploited it to acused Poland. The Civic Party in the other hand have nothing to do with the civic movement because it is ruled with iron fist by its leader, just similar to his main opponent.
That elections were in fact about if Poland want to go pro old EU way, or if Poland want to build central-european coaliton under wings of USA. Since Germany made everything to kick UK out of EU, they rule almost totally here. Now they want to make from EU one country under their economical and political power. Problem is, that last decade shown that they are really shitty in terms of polithics. Imigration crissis - Germany's idea, against Poland. NordStream2 and cooperation with Russia on energetic field - idea of Germany, again against Poland. Covid Policy - total catastrophe. Green Deal - handicapping EU economy so hard, that not much left is profitable to made here anymore - also German idea, against Poland. That playing fool after Russia attacked Ukraine on first months with military help (which still lasts tbh) that was Germany, against Poland. What is even more dangerous, they are not learning a damn thing from mistakes there in Germany - now they closed Nuclear Power Plants, and they want to cooperate closer with other authorytharian giant - China. Law and Justice party was on a position that we have to be stronger and more independent energetically (which they achieved), economically (which they for sure were achieving), politically (after war started the diplomatic ffensive by Morawiecki and Duda was awesome), militarly (legendary polish weapon shopping) - everything under a shield of USA. Center-left coalition are pro federalization of EU, all that green and immigration polithics. Thats why they had full EU help in campaigh. Inside Poland it was crazy circus, cos in fact both sides were offering more or less same thing, but one side was pro abortion, and all that gender polithics and other was against. That basically all what people really cared of in Poland.
You compare the situation in your country where people were misled by Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson about the benefits they will receive after leaving the European Union. In Poland it looks slightly different. People are afraid of total dependence on the decisions of the European Parliament and the will of Germany, which Donald Tusk will probably agree to. D. Tusk has already neutered most of the Polish industry once during his rule, people lost their jobs, unemployment and extreme poverty were rampant. I think that not all Poles want a dependent puppet state. But this does not mean that Poles want to leave the EU - I think they are far from such a decision. However, they want to be independent in decision-making from other countries, they want prosperity and higher salaries. The election results depended on rising prices and costs of living. Poles' living costs are approaching the costs incurred by the English in their own country, and Poles' salaries are half as much - this is the eternal Polish disappointment.
I wouldn't agree with that 'unemployment and extreme powerty' during Tusks ruling It was way much more better than it is now What is PiS doing? Nationalizing companies, putting their own members, families and friends as supervisors and embezlling public money This sounds much like PiS's narration
But you described the sentiments of the PiS voters, not the opposition ones. 'The election results depended on rising prices and costs of living.' - nope, those were mostly voices for the political change. More cooperation with the EU and other states, less bullshit propaganda of 'EU and German dependency', less conservative, humiliating laws, smaller impact of the catholic church. And of course less political corruption, specialite a la maison of PiS.
@@blinski1 However, there is no doubt that the situation from a decade ago may repeat itself. In this case, the concerns of right-wing voters will become a fact. Then what? Who will Poles blame this time? Will they vote for the opposite side again to achieve a different result? Life goes by and Poland will continue to be a country of poor people and cheap labor. With this method, we will never be a rich country, but only a colony subject to the influence of others. Apparently, Poles must care about this, which will not make most of us live according to the desired European standards.
@@RafałMalczewski-e6v Decade ago we were at the path of constant growth, but 1) ruling coalition sucked big time with PR and naively thought people would see everything with their own eyes, so whatever, 2) there was a migration crisis and PiS knew how to make use of it, spewing fear. Plus of course 500+ program, to buy some voters. Every country is influenced by others, especially in the EU. You cannot be just some lonely island without the need of adopting to common European market and politics, no-one would treat you like a trustworthy partner. Maybe if we were Switzerland or Norway, but we're not.
fun fact "Law and Justice" name of the party is taken from the Bible. Ezekiel 45:9 "Give up your violence and oppression and do what is just and right [in Polish: ...and fulfill law and justice]. So the name doesn't suggest they are going to care about those things, this is an ideological (christian) decleration
First of all, Tusk party got over 1M votes less than rulling party PIS (Tusk 30% PIS Rulling party 36%) so title of this video is misleading there is no such a thing as Tusk victory. Also there is no coalition right now between oposition parties
I'll give one example to explain to nonpolish viewers what kind of people we are dealing with. The present government has been working on the project of a new airport. It will cost £10 billion to build, but the profit for the next 30 years is estimated to be £200billion, it will also create 350000 new jobs. It's a win-win situation, but guess what the new government says. They claim we don't need it because we already have an airport in.... Berlin. It shows what to expect from them for the next 4 years. All you hear about Poland being antithis and anti that is a fake information spread by our "favourite" neighbour who needs to cope with competition of super hard working people in Poland. They will do everything to keep us at the back of the line
@@RobReacts1 do you know anything about Tusk and his connections to Putin and the liberal EU mafia ? He was Merkel's pet. Not to mention the industry's and business he sold to western countries during his reign ? He left Poland a shithole. Most people left the country during his leadership as there was nothing for them. Now he came back to fuck it up.
PiS was good for Poland nad Poles. They were going in right direction of building economically strong and sovereign country. Not everyone in Europe liked it. Especially Russia and Germany. What comes now are politicians which bring the ceiling of expectations down to medium growth and total subjugation to EU and Germany. This also will make Russia happy. These politicians are not real Polish patriots.
6:46 in Poland it's quite the opposite, they takes only the worst bits of left wing and right wing. 7:17 again in Poland it's the opposite it easier to win for left-wing parties than it is for right-wing parties, this is easy to see, considering that after the fall of communism in Poland, no right-wing party was ever in power, only left-wing or center-left parties. 8:57 I wouldn't say "far right" at most they are "mid right" 13:07 It might be good for Tusk and EU, but not for Poland
The government of the PO-PSL coalition with Prime Minister Tusk eight years ago - Millions of Poles worked on "junk contracts" (without insurance: disability, health, accidents at work), at an hourly rate of PLN 3-5, i.e. EUR 0.8-1. 30% poverty level (real poverty where many children went hungry). After eight years of PiS rule, the minimum net hourly rate is PLN 21 (EUR 4.7). This is how it was when the people who are now to form the government were in power, young people don't remember, but they will find out
niezle bredzisz! na kłamstwach pisuarze daleko nie zajedziesz. Takuch stawek nie było 30 lat temu! W 2000 r w pierwszej pracy miałem 2500 brutto - ok 1900 na reke. 8 lat temu zarabialem wiecej niz dzis a za te sane pieniadze moglem kupic 5 x wiecej !!
@@PaulPaul-bq2wk It is worth watching TVN's "Kuchenne Rewolucje" season 10, episode 13 in Przasnysz (from 2014), where cooks and waitresses working "on junk contracts" earned PLN 3 per hour. And this is not literary fiction, the rates were similar in Warmia and Mazury as in many other places in Poland far from large cities (in 2015, when PO returned to power, unemployment was 18.8%, many people were forced to emigrate to survive). Of course, in large cities the rates were higher, but only the children of former activists of the Polish People's Republic and the entire "elite" of the Third Polish Republic could count on permanent jobs.
@@PaulPaul-bq2wk Ja bredzę? Ile godzin pracowałeś na te 1900? Co ci zdrożało 5 razy? Paliwo kosztuje tyle co za rządów PO, przez inflację (głównie w wyniku wojny na Ukrainie i tarczy antykryzysowej za którą głosowała również PO) żywność podrożała, niektóre produkty najwyżej 2 razy. Dużo podrożały nieruchomości, działki, materiały budowlane, w wyniku bumu budowlanego - ludzie mają dużo pieniędzy skoro stać ich budować domy , na zachodzie Europy na własny dom stać nielicznych. Płaca minimalna z 3 zł wzrosła do 21 zł/godz. Nie każdy jest pozbawionym empatii egoistą, widzącym tylko czubek własnego nosa, zmień się przecież chcesz do "demokratycznej", "uczciwej", "dbającej o wszystkich" Europy
Poland will not regress, Poland will progress, simple as. Soon even the EU funds which are blocked will be unblocked and the hefty fines Poland has to pay every day to the EU will end which is already a massive advantage for the tax payers money, not to mention that the economy will keep growing further as it always has since the collapse of communism until covid.
@@RobReacts1 Unfortunately, this is not nonsense. I don't know if you know, but Donald Tusk's party has already announced the suspension of most large investments in Poland, the implementation of which did not please the Germans. This included the Central Communication Port, a large international airport that was to be built near Warsaw.
Rob you basically do not understand what just happened. Tusk supports all post communists who occupy most top positions in courts , police , or other national institutions and he's himself a criminal. His party had a chance to be in power and they destroyed everything. He was doing everything what he was told by Germany, he's basically a German puppet.
You have zero idea what you're talking about. First, read some kinda book on how this terrifying Union actually works. Because you obviously have zero understanding of it.
What would the English, the inhabitants of London, do if their mayor said "Why do we need an airport near London when there will soon be a large airport in Paris"? And this is what the president of Warsaw (vice-chairman of the Civic Platform) said about the CPK (Central Communication Port) being built, which is of great importance in the transport of people, cargo and security, combined with high-speed rail to every region of Poland - "Why do we need an airport near Warsaw if there will be a large airport soon in Berlin" - and won the elections. By the way, 76% of the media market in Poland is in the hands of foreign capital, mainly German.
@@jonybravo2930Nie zmienia to jednak faktu, że on się próbuje uczyć polskiego. Gdyby robił to tylko dla zasięgów i kasy, to na pewno nie poświęcałby swojego czasu na naukę. On jest zafascynowany naprawdę naszym krajem, a nie tak jak niektórzy inni youtuberzy, że podlizują się Polakom dla wyświetleń.
@@bohomazdesign725 well, not really. It depends which laws you call anti-democratic. Also, they openly stated many times that they are not interested in coalition with pis and they want Kaczyński to go on retirement
Thanks. Im learning myself. I will always give my opinions on what I know and can relate to and will always tell people where I stand on the political scale.
Rob with all respect - you don’t understand polish politics . To simplify - civic platform represents interest of Germany (literally) and Low and Justice interest of Poland . Sure they make many mistakes but Tusk didn’t deliver not one of previous promises unlike Low and Justice.
I would say Civic Platform is a puppet of Germany, while Law and Justice is a puppet of the USA. These elections were about geopolitical alignment (either with the US or with Germany). Unfortunately most of the voters did not realise this. Actually, Law and Justice rule was very prosperous due to American support. Donald Tusk's rule was poverty as Germany would like to see Poland as its colony. However, the Law and justice have much more annoying rhetorics. This is why they lost.
Polityka to skomplikowana rzecz do oceny. Wiele dzieje się za kulisami. Ten film, który słuchałeś jest tylko z pozoru obiektywny. Podam 2 przykłady: 1. Podczas rządów PiS premier Morawiecki podpisywał wszystko co UE przynosiła. 2. Zmiany traktatów w UE spowoduje zwiększenie utraty suwerenności państw. Decyzje dotyczące szkolnictwa, polityki zagranicznej, zdrowia, energetyki będą podejmowane przez polityków w Brukseli, którzy pewnie nigdy nie byli w Polsce. Dokument zmiany przepisów traktatów odnosi się do postaci Spinelliego, włoskiego komunisty.
There is some misinformarion in the video you were watching. Konfederacja (confederation) is NOT fat-right. Its centro-right or right at most. Also it declared that it is NEVER going to enter a coalition with PiS. Also no. Tusk is not thrustworthy, wich was shown by his reign in Poland before PiS.
I am pretty unstasified with the results as i am kinda a Law and Justice fanboy but i really also would like for some of the smaller parties to win as these couple of years only PO (Civil Platform) and PIS (Laws and Justice) were getting the Spotlight
I ca't agree more on the topic of including smaller parties. It's the worst thing that can happen when a single party has all the power to do anything in the country. I'm not PiS fanboy at all, though I do agree with lots of right arguments. A lot of what they are saying makes sense to me but I the problem is they don't do it and if they do they choose the worst way possible antagonising everyone in the process. The parliament should be a bunch of people with different points of view agreeing together the ways that would work best for everyone (meaning as many as possible) and not just looking for ways to make it better for themselves.
Dude, plz do not engage in politics, especially of a country you know barely anything about. Our country is divided enough by those idiots from "both" sides.
@@RobReacts1 It is no matter what you saying if your video start from Tusk ugly face. We have politic war in Poland, and better for you is not mix in the middle.
Well Rob, the true problem is that, we in Poland have expirience with another Union, wich dominanted our politics, and were in fact decision maker about mamy Things of our country. So many people has trust issue about current Union, especially when it try to make us do what they want. The fun fact is, that the younger people are more radical and anti-UE, but older people who remember communism in Poland under the soviet union, are more likely EU lovers, and do nit afraid of giving up decisions to Brussels
Well, detailed data from elections shows something completely opposite 😂 Young people voted for broad opposition (EU oriented), while old ones (60+) voted for PiS (anti-EU). Young people don't want to leave EU, they want to have freedom of movement, freedom of work in EU, freedom of doing business within EU. So, you can't be further from truth. PS. There is only one party that is openly anti-EU - Konfederacja, but they got like 7-8% of votes.
@@mehow357 A wybory to są aninimowe czy nie? Bo ja nie pamiętam żebym popisywał kartę do głosowania. Skąd niby te dane statystyczne zakładam z ostatnich wyborów?
@@bee12117 tak, z ostatnich wyborów, bodajże podawane również przez PKW. Polecam lektórę z podziałem na 3 głowne kategorie: - wiek - wykształcenie - wielkość miejscowości zamieszkania. PiS miał dużą większość w tych kategoriach w wartościach: - 60+ - podstawowe - wieś Młodzi (do 25 lat) głosowali w ok 90% nie na PiS (nie pamiętam dokładnej wartości - do sprawdzenia). Przez "nie na PiS" mam na myśli również Konfę. Polecam najpierw sprawdzić, a nie tylko ironicznie krytykować, kwestionować i spekulować wymyślając własne teorie i wartości.
Too many refer to PiS as right-wing. It is more complicated than that. PiS has a leftwing social welfare program, which is similar to the British Labour Party or the Australian Labor Party. However, on social engineering and morality policies such as legislating against a woman's right to an abortion, it was on the far right. PiS stuffing about the rule of law and the right to an abortion is what let it down, and possibly Poland, because it was spot on with sovereignty issues, defense spending, support for Ukraine, and aligning its foreign policy more with the USA and Britain rather than the wishy-washy EU. Let's hope Tusk keeps on that path and does not cave into Germany and France. Both these two countries are untrustworthy as they were slow in helping Ukraine, and in breaking off doing business with Russia. Polish politics is not similar to Britain - not at all. It is rather unique, and I am sad, as an Australian lefty and member of the Australian Labor Party that PiS unnecessarily engaged in unpopular social engineering, media control, and undermining the independence of the judiciary.
Tusk is not beter for Poland Rob. this is sisaster for Poland. this person is Mor Germany agent in Polan covered by public relation games so please be more with distance for this ;) Polisj people dond wana live in new German Roman Empire. if we have to lets keep same state with Independedn nations in EU not 4th Rich. wtahs why those voting as done but loos by unawared young people what they dont know whats going on cose of less experience in live.
Rob, the conspirators are the dumb majority of EP, the EC and especially 5 madmen (4 Germans and 1Belge, the 6th -Polish author - decided not to support this ideological crap and left) who wrote down a some 160- pages -report, which demands the EU nations to be totally depraved of key competences, which are to be delegated to Brussels, read:Berlin. The Veto-right will be cancelled, accordingly. IV Reich in making. Regards.
@@RobReacts1 hehe, no ;) just try to hight light a risk what we have to deal with (try to go deep into Polish geostratey podcasts on youtube). Polish strategy is to have independent state with EU open market but independent state (so keep the veto as a tool against to stronger country like Germany and so on) to adjust suitable ageerment between politicians from other countries.
If these farmers are fighting for survival, 53% of them, before they went to vote 7 years ago to LEAVE the EU, should first read a little and ask here and there about the European Union and agriculture.
It means my homeland sold to Germany and France. It means nato defend plan at vistula river not eastern border. It means leftists socialism like in Germany and tons of illegal immigrants on our streets. It means deals with putin to maintain cheap economy for Germany and so on and so on.
12:08 Any country besides Major countries in the EU are opposing this idea. That idea will mean that Germany Italy and France will have power to oppose any minor countries coallition and will practically rule other countries as they want. Politics is not about being friendly but about finding the best posittion to get the most from situation. Being humble and ,,behaving" is just a way of saying thet minor countries should just obey the rule of Germany and France
The trouble with politicians is that they don't really care about their country just their bank balance. Gone are the days when we had people like Marget Thatcher, John Smith etc. You have both leaders who are rich and both leaders do not know what a woman is because he is scared of upsetting a small majority.
PiS is a political party that has been called Russophobic for years. Mainly by German politicians who had strong interests with Russia. The former president of Poland was in Tbilisi in 2008. along with other leaders of Central and Eastern Europe, which stopped the Russian offensive on Georgia. L. Kaczyński 2008. Tbilisi, the speech is worth seeing. For this move in 2010. died in Russia. KO is a political party that is more pro-European. He realizes that Western Europe has not had much contact with Russia, does not know their culture or the mentality of Russian rulers. As a Pole, I believe that Russia was and is a threat to Europe. Coming back to KO and Donad Tusk, he downplays the problem of Russia's imperialism, which pleased the Germans. The elections in Poland show that practically half of the nation does not want to worry about this problem, and the other half prefers to prepare for such an eventuality.
Rob, I know a few British women working at a pretty high level in Vienna, and after Brexit and because of Brexit, they would lose their jobs and have to move back to England. So they decided to give up British citizenship (as required by Austrian law) to get citizenship of Austria, only to retain EU citizenship and to keep the right to live and work in the EU. At least some of them got their Austrian citizenship through - I think - a fake marriage with Austrian guys. Now - they say - they feel weird when, with their new Austrian passports, they go to visit their parents in England when British border control officers ask them for what reason they want to go to England, how much money they have with them, and if they have enough money for every single day they plan to stay in the UK. Only because they want to go to their family homes for a weekend or a week, where they spent their childhood. Gosh, how moronic your Brexit was.... The Kremlin's money played a big part in it. Your MI5 should investigate this.
I'm sorry, but as an Englishman you don't understand what is happening in Poland. Saying PIS is a conservative-nationalist party in the Western media. What's wrong with nationalism? Every government should fight for the good of its country. What does it mean that PiS is a dictatorship? Have you seen a dictator who loses in democratic elections and gives power to the opposition?! P.S. I have never voted for PIS, but I am annoyed by the simplification.
@@RobReacts1 Now people who think like you will stop the construction of a nuclear power plant in Poland, because it is an investment that our western neighbors from Germany do not like.
I feel the need to correct you a bit there - when people talk about the rule of law in Poland deteriorating under PiS, it's not about the general public order going down the drain. There is no huge wave of crime sweeping Poland, really. The things referred to are the institutions of the state being destroyed or rotting from the inside: - We have Constitutional Tribunal, responsible for ruling whether laws are in line with Polish constitution - now it doesn't really function, there is a controversy whether its holds this seat legally AND a couple of the judges of the tribunal have been selected in blatantly unconstitutional manner, potentially making all the rulings they participated in invalid (but then again, there is no mechanism to really decide that) - We have a special body responsible for a lot of things regarding promotions and assignments of judges; the rules of selecting people into that body have been altered in questionably legal way and right now the body - contrary to its constitutional role - is very political, making it questionable whether the judges under its care are independent judges at all - We have the public prosecutor's office that is held in firm grasp by the political appointees, and operating quite blatantly for political purposes (most obviously - dropping basically any and all charges against the people associated with the ruling party, ESPECIALLY charges related to some illegal "political" moves) ...and there are more like that. The crisis of rule of law in Poland isn't about breakdown of public order but about the ruling party compromising the very core of the country's legal order to make it serve its political needs, shield its members from responsibility for unlawful actions and, well, get rich at the country's expense.
I like your channel so I try to be as nice as I can. Don't go into polish politics. Old people just don't care anymore, they are too old to understand that 'Law and Justyce' party is not good with its socialist ideas. Young people don't remember that when 'KO' (Tusk) was in power people didn't have money to buy meat, at that time it was not about a living it was about a survival. The '3rd way' is almost as bad as the rest and the worst party for country and people is probably 'the left'. The best party for country and people would probably be 'Konfederation' but to get it you need knowledge about many things like economics etc. and time to think about the things they are saying, which people don't have. Wifes works, husbands works and comming back home where nothing is done (both tired and irritated) and when they finally dont working at the home its too late for most things. Also this video that you watched it very biaised towards Tusk. Thats true that Poland and Hungary were against some things that EU wanted to do. Mostly migration from the Africa which Poland and Hungary were right about but nobody is talking about that. Poland was also against Nord stream 2 and having so much trade with Russia and Poland was right. Lets not even talk that Tusk, after Poland got independance from Soviet Russia, was against 'getting rid of communistic people from govermant and administration positions'. The event is called "Nocna zmiana" ("Night shift" - roughly translated). Tusk also earned Poland the highest gas prices from Russia many years ago (10-20 I think) compare to entire Europe.
I think that we should not compare the Polish parliament to the British one, because in Poland its composition changes almost completely until the next parliamentary elections,. It is outdated and badly constructed, and instead of a place where it will be suffocated about laws that are good for citizens, it becomes a meme factory. In Great Britain the parliament has existed since the 13th century, and in Poland since the 15th century, but even then it was only a place of struggles for privileges and power, getting rich. To a large extent, it was he who contributed to the weakening of the country and, in the long run, the partitions of Polish. And when it comes to the elections, both of these parties act in the same way, doing similar, if not the same, financial scams.
Young does not mean clever. You need to be Polish to understand what has happened. That's for sure. By the way I really do not like taking about politics. If you want to argue it's a good way.
As a Pole, I will tell you one thing. It doesn't matter which party wins in Poland. Poles will always lose, because all these parties are paid by Western corporations that have taken over the entire market in Poland. That's why I don't call the politicians in power the government, but the management. And I agree with the voices in the comments, please do not go towards politics, especially Polish politics, and I say this as a person who is a little more aware of what is really happening in Poland and not only listening to the official propaganda which in Poland is worse than in China in the 1980s and 90's
Hi Rob, as a jam roll born in the uk I have strong opinions with regard to politics in the old country. Enough to say the country needs to open it's eyes and move forward.
Mam dwa konta na youtubie. Na pierwszym koncie nie widzę moich komentarzy z drugiego konta, a na drugim nie widzę komentów z pierwszego. Tak tylko Was uprzedzam....
law and order where awfull at modernizing law becose courts are dominated by people from communists times, they children and they have nothing to do with being just, about 15 years ago it was impossible to be Judge if you didn't have connection's with postcomunists now you have some chances but very slim. Basickly old juges that are directly connected to communists party and previous totalitarian system elect new Judges and they elect they own people they can trust. Law and order try to change this but opposition party is strongly connected with postcomunists and everything's law and order do in order to reform law in Poland they go craing to EU that rule of law is being broken. Right now they are Judges in Poland that you have on video tape they stilling something, or who driven drank and kill some one and they cannot be jugged becose they have immunity, and only people who can decide to remove immunity in order to judge them are they fellow most trusted post communists colleges so if you are with in system you are protected from any crime
1. It wasn't a coalition of centre-left parties against one right wing party. In fact, so-called "Trzecia Droga" is quite conservative. Lewica is a left wing, and KO is a mix of liberals, left and even some conservatives. 2. Trzecia Droga, and especially PSL would make a better coalition with PiS, as they are quite similar in their conservative view, but there is a reason why PiS is unable to form any form of coalition. Jaroslaw Kaczysnki, lider of PiS, know only one type of ruling - his way. And so, he lost power in 2007, because he was trying to corrupt leader of his coalition party. It wasn't the case of accepting bribe and reporting it - polish anticoruption forces were offering such bribe. And then, in 2020, his second coalition partner was ignored, so Jaroslaw Kaczynski has bribed members of this party, and they left their leader for either minister position or high position at one of the companies belonging to the state. 3. In UK we vote on Thursday, which can justify lower turnout, but in Poland it's Sunday, so more people are able to vote. It's quite interesting, that in Poland, more people went to vote now, than when their had the first chance to vote for other party then communists in 1989. 4. Poland have a mix voting system, so the lower parliament (sejm) have proportionate system, hence PiS have so many MP's, and in higher parliament (senat) it's similar to UK, and due to the coalition, PiS have 34 representants out of 100, if I'm not mistaken. 5. PiS had such a good result in this election, mostly due to the abuse of power. The polish equivalent of BBC was entirely controlled by this party, and so around 3 million of people were feed with pure propaganda every single day. Then you have state owned companies (like banks, energy and many more) which sponsored this party campaign. Not to mention their CEO's, who were appointed by PiS, and each paid 45k PLN every year, which is maximum, an individual can pay for a party. All of these advantages made this year election not even. Despite it, they lost... 6. You said Andrzej Duda doesn't look trustworthy - well, for the last 7 years he was just a figure. Signing everything Jaroslaw Kaczynski wanted him to sign - with very few exceptions (usually meaningless exceptions). Same with Mateusz Morawiecki. PiS made a pathological system, where Jaroslaw Kaczynski who decided about everything, had no official function, yet both Prime Minister and President were doing whatever he wanted. 7. There are two more elections in Poland next year - one to Euro parliament and one similar to council election in UK. We will see then, how PiS performs without this financial and propaganda instruments. 8. Your video is 3 weeks old, and what PiS does has not changed - their are throwing government money for organisations that they control, and appointing their members to organisations, where it would be hard if not impossible to fire them... PS: Law and Justice is just a historical name, it doesn't suit this party. In 2019 election, they were using Pegasus (Israel technology designed to spy on terrorists) against the KO chef of campaign - which was checked and confirmed by independent organisations.
This is far more complicated not to mention Tusk is associated with taking power after the President died in Smolensk. While the PIS leader is the twin of the RIP president. During PIS many good decisions were made that lead to a strong economy and military improvements (Ukraine Russian war deff helped) I’ve seen you praise PIS (not directly but agreeing with their decisions) PIS is however too far right when it comes to social freedoms and or really human rights. But then again Poland is wildly catholic still so lgbtq and abortions aren’t on pis agenda. Anyway so much more could be said
i see some salty people in here lmao whats the problem with that video if he wants to learn about our little hell of politics let him do it he aint political activist or something as well as i dont get vibes like stupid westernoid because he clearly says whe would like to get to know more so i dont undestand your way of thinking fr
@@RobReacts1 They call themselves right-wing because of their conservative approach to ideological matters. But in fact, they are right-wing only in ideological matters, and extreme left in economic matters and state management. First of all, law and justice are against the free market, they support centralization of state management, increasing taxes, large social assistance, cooperation with trade unions and expanding state institutions - these are classic leftist demands.
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Rob, to make you realize how wrong you are, I will use an example... and your imagination. Let's imagine, for example, that Ireland or France want the British government to stop all large investments planned in the UK. Because they claim they pose a serious threat to the environment, but in reality they pose a threat to their business. They say not to expand any port or build any airports. And liberal British politicians say in interviews that, for example, building a large airport in Blefast is unnecessary, because it is the government's gigantomania, and besides, there is an airport in Dublin. Poland is currently in such a situation. Germany wants to stop all large investments in Poland and the liberal politicians who won the elections say exactly the same. Only a month has passed since the elections in Poland, and they have already announced that there will be no construction of a new, large airport near Warsaw. They also question the construction of a nuclear power plant in Poland.
See what's happening in Poland now, Rob. Three months have passed since the elections and the new government has just released from prison four people accused of spying for Russia. We also already have the first decisions taken on the initiative of German lobbying. In north-western Poland, they plan to create a new national park in the place where a new container port and gas terminal are being built, to where we were to import gas from Norway. Which in practice will block its further development and prevent the development of shipping in this region, and these were strategic investments for the development of Poland. Investments that Germans did not like and that the current government criticized while in opposition before the 2023 elections. It looks like you will have to spit out all your joy about the election results in our country and say: "I'm sorry, I was wrong, it's not good for Poland that the election results were like this." I hope you will have the courage to post such a video soon on your channel. And you will admit your mistake.😉
It is much more complicated, but this video worked just well to show basics of politics in our country.
The fun thing is, that Kaczyński is being dubbed "duck". So we can choose between Donald and Duck.
It is waaaay more complicated than this video shows.
Both the video and your reactions to it are "politically correct" 🙂.
I want to underline some blatantly false statements I noticed in the original video: The Polish PM didn't say anything about "stopping" military support for Ukraine. Donald Tusk doesn't seem dedicated to assist Ukraine's fight (it were the leaders of Law and Justice who were the first EU politicians to visit Kiev after the outbreak of the war. Tusk has never met Zelensky). The President isn't a member of Law and Justice.
The video wants to present the Civic Platform as "good" and the Law and Justice as "bad" (nearly "fascist", isn't that so?). Many elements of the video (like the false statements I noticed, but also the photographs of the leaders of both parties) are designed to create sympathy for one side and dislike for the other.
It seems you got bought into it 🙂.
But, well, I don't consider Poland's sovereignty an offence to anybody. Nor the federalisation of the EU "a must".
From my perspective calling Poland and Hungary "unruly members of the EU" (illustrated by a map of Europe with a "behave yourself" addressed to the two countries) is simply arrogance.
Poland didn't join the EU to be "ruly". The Lisbon Treaty nowhere said anything about subordinate position of any member states.
I consider Law and Justice reminding about that a very positive act.
If somebody values sovereignty of his state (and I believe one should), a rule of those who want to dismantle it isn't something to be approved of.
"The President isn't a member of Law and Justice." do you also believe in the Santa Claus? You (and you alike) are one of the dumbest and easiest to manipulate people alive. One only needs to speak about protecting sovereignty, or speak about patriotism, and you will buy whatever they will say.
Don't bother replying. You lack the tools to change my mind, and i don't care enough to change yours.
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You probably get used to the biased materials in TVP, so an independent matetial from TLDR News might be a shock for you. I don't blame you...
Can you tell us when Mateusz Morawiecki was elected as a polish Prime Minister? Was it 2017? And when he has visited Ukraine for the very first time, remind us kindly, as to the best of my knowledge it was 2022. It ilustrates the ties between Poland and Ukraine prior to the war. Unfortunately, this trip you are praising was just another PR move. Everything this government did was for the domestic use. Compare this PR moves to real actions, just like with the grain crisis, which they were warned about a year prior it happening, and their response was terribly wrong for our relations with Ukraine...
Maybe it will shock you, but since 2021 Donald Tusk hold no official position anywhere, so I don't know how you imagine him going to Kiev, and for what. Just to take a photo like Morawiecki did? He had nothing to offer, so your accusation is out of place. I bet u will see him next month at Kiev as a PM. Brussel and Kiev would be the very first place he will visit. And this will demonstrate his attitude towards Ukraine. But above all, actions. As PiS for the sake of winning elections, was saying things, that harmed our relationship. Like they always do. Domestic PR above national interest and diplomacy...
President Duda isn't a member of PiS, but watch him out, just in 2 years his term will end, and I bet he will rejoin the party. I'm even guessing he will want to be a successor of Jaroslaw Kaczynski. You can give up membership, but it's your actions that matter. His behavior is not like this of president Kwasniewski, who was an independent politician and often was against his party. Present situation illustrates it perfectly - he asked PM Morawiecki to form the government being perfectly aware that he is unable to (even PiS leader openly says that they will be in oposition). And yes, winning party was always asked to form a government in the first place, but the winning party was also able to form coalition if needed. And here, every single party leader told president that they won't form a coalition with PiS. Not to mention that new majority was confirmed this week, when Holownia was elected. What did your "independent" president said? That he believes in PM Morawiecki promises. As you can see, he doesn't need to be a member of PiS, to behave as one...
It's not the EU fault, that your favourite government doesn't know to do to diplomacy and that politic is a conflict of interest. If they wasn't able to protect your interest, they wasn't woth to stay in power. As simple as that. France and Germany doesn't rule in EU. It's 27 nations that make the decisions. And both of this countries can be outvoted. But PiS had no allies, so it was impossible for them. Not even one really ally you can rely on. Remind us what was the result in voting for EU council president (Tusk)? Was it 26:1? It shows how small this party is - they can't stand Donald Tusk so much, they voted against polish politician being in this position. Cooperation is a world they do not understand, and this is why they lost power, despite abusing it...
No, it is not better for poland. It is better for the eu commission. 😅
Tusk is one of those things people dont want, but have it anyway ..
Well thats clearly not the case
@@RobReacts1 Yep. Preety much. Is It for good or for worse, we will find out soon 😉
The problem in Poland is that every new government instead of continuing what was boeing done tries to undo all the decisions. Politics can't communicate and their voters can't too, it hurts that we can't talk anymore to people who vote differently from us. I'm tired of the campaign, it was really brutal from all sides of political scene. I hope for the best now but I realise it will be a long process. What makes me happy though is that so many people voted (in comparison in 2005 it was just 40% so big progress since then!)
Problem is this. Lech walesa saved post comunist with his signature. Donald tusk overthrown Olszewski goverment and reseat almost all comies back. During his regin we get in the poverty. During his full po reg8n Poland literalu bankrupy and had no army or anything and was exposed yo russian invashion luckly in 2014 PIS got in to gov and saved Poland from russian invasion. Because tractat about spying on NATO signed by donald tusk him self lost the importance with new goverment. If not this russians whould invade Poland in 2014 not ucraine. After 8 years moroned kidds voted tusk back in not knowing not remembering how Poland was poor 8 years elier and how big risk was set in. Only because of sware words mask behinf 8 stars. DISASTER. IT is end of europe to. Because Poland as only country was VETO all stupid UE legislations. Soon Poland eill be decimated by EU laws and russian army. END! ONLY GODS MIRACLE CAN SAVE US NOW!
opowiedz o brutalności kampanijnej tzw opozycji. ciekawi mnie, co ktoś może porównać do wykluczania ze społeczeństwa w tvp i permanentnej inwigilacji bronią cybernetyczną, preznaczoną do zwalczania terroryzmu
@@pogorach Straszenie wszystkich (łącznie z Dudą) trybunałem stanu, nazywanie drugiej strony złem wcielonym, mordercami itp, itd.
Uważam, że nie udało im się przeprowadzić kampanii pozytywnej, może ewentualnie 3 drodze.
Zwycięstwo Tuska wynikało ze słabości PiSu, nie z siły KO.
Mieszkam pod Poznaniem gdzie PiS jest bardzo słaby, ale mój przyjaciel i jego rodzina ich popierają, przez co byli wyśmiewani, szykanowani, itd.
Polaryzacja w Polsce jest olbrzymia i ludzie obrzucają się błotem.
Nie jesteśmy jeszcze na poziomie USA, ale idziemy w tym kierunku.
@@MyPrideFlagdokładnie popieram to co napisałeś już wystarczy zobaczyć na hasła opozycji o np. sprawie aborcji, gdzie żaden trybunał konstytucyjny nie mógł niezależnie od poglądów orzec inaczej... Jak i stworzenie całego sporu o trybunał konstytucyjny, który PO zapoczątkował w swoich latach rządzenia naginajac prawa demokracji i konstytucji, a zwalajac później winę na łamanie prawa przez PiS czy łamanie demokracji przez PiS, gdzie PiS nieudolnie próbował tylko przywrócić reguły uczciwej gry. Jedna strona drugiej warta, ale zauważyłem wśród elektoratu u obu parti brak krytycznego myślenia i wierzenia w nielogiczne hasła emocjonalne np. Aborcja to prawo człowieka. Manipulacja, bo prawa człowieka są określone i aborcja nie może być prawem człowieka, bo godzi w prawo do życia (jedno i najważniejsze prawo człowieka), ale jak takim zmanipulowanym emocjami powiesz nie mów tak, bo to jest bzdura to zaraz od mizoginów i ciemiezycieli kobiet zjadą nawet nie znając mojego stosunku do legalizacji aborcji. Emocje haselka poprostu się sprzedają i wywołanie aborcji jako prawa czlowieka(czegoś pozytywnego) zmuszają myśleć podatną osobę na sugestie, że aborcja to dobro bo jest prawem człowieka bez najmniejszej refleksji na tak złożony i skomplikowany temat, jakim jest aborcja sama w sobie.
@@michal8976 PiS jednak poszedł dużo dalej od PO z rozwalaniem TK, trudno powiedzieć żeby próbował coś naprawiać, jak wszyscy sędziowie jak leci są niekonstytucyjnie wybrani, a jeszcze Ziobrzyści żrą się z resztą PiSu paraliżując tą instytucję.
Natomiast bawi mnie jak opozycja (dotychczasowa) opowiada jak oni tego nie naprawią w 24h, co sprowadziłoby się do tego, że wypierdolą sędziów PiSu i dadzą swoich.
I tak to będzie się toczyło, że każda nowa władza będzie zaczynać od czystek.
Nie wiem czy przywrócenie jakiegoś porządku konstytucyjnego jest w jakikolwiek sposób możliwe.
Głównię winę tu PiS, ale PO też nie jest bez winy.
Apropos aborcji wolę się nie wypowiadać, ja osobiście popieram stary kompromis, ale jest to temat trudny, tak jak mówisz manipulowany przez oba bloki polityczne.
Sensem mojego komentarza jest, nie dajmy się skłócić politykom. Często tworzą sztuczne podziały, nie ma miejsca na dialog.
Moja własna siostra nie chce ze mną rozmawiać ze względu na poglądy, bo nie popieram ideologii gender i nie lubię lewicy jako partii.
Nawet nie głosowałem na PiS ani konfę.
Ale media jątrzą nienawiść i jak ktoś się z tobą nie zgadza to zły człowiek od razu.
Nie popieram ataków na osoby LGBT, nie popieram ataków na chrześcijan (gdzie się czuję osobiście dotknięty).
Po prostu chcę żebyśmy się szanowali jako Polacy, co nie oznacza, że musimy się zgadzać.
Ale wszechobecna nienawiść jest przytłaczająca. PiSior, lewak, platfus, konfiarz itd, itp...
regardless of your political views, you are making a bold move here.
I'll just say this - be careful with the topic of politics in Poland, especially if you don't live here.
Chill out man
@@mateuszgrajko Czemu? Przecież polityka w polsce jest BARDZO kontrowersyjnym tematem.
It's just a funny RUclips video. Are you proposing to have an argument with an Englishman here? What for? what controversy? I do not know what you mean 😅
@@weziak I'm rather afraid of what may explode in the Comments. We are fresh after the elections and people are boiling with emotions.
Rob, I like you very much, but you're on very shaky ground. Many people who have lived their whole lives in Poland don't even really understand it... that's why, unfortunately, their image of reality is created by the media. Liberal mainstream European media hates PiS because it opposes the destruction of nation states and replacing them with a European state. Moreover, PIS respects tradition and conservative and patriotic values, which is very frowned upon in the EU mainstream. That's why I'll show you some comparison in numbers (8 years of PO [Tusk] rule vs. 8 years of PIS [Kaczyński] rule:
*Unemployment - PO 14.4% vs PIS 5.2%
*National minimum - PO PLN 1,680 vs. PIS PLN 3,600
Polish budget - PO PLN 283 billion vs PIS PLN 693 billion
Support for children [monthly for 1 child] - PO PLN 0 vs. PIS PLN 500
Minimum pension - PO PLN 831 vs. PIS PLN 1,588
Army size - PO 80 thousand vs. PIS 172 thousand
Army budget - PO PLN 32 billion vs PIS PLN 97 billion
and much much more, which shows that the PIS government was much better and more effective..
Don't be naive please... Tusk [PO] is the guy who was president of the European parliament when the UK was negotiating Brexit and did everything to make the UK lose as much as possible.... When Tusk was the Prime Minister of Poland, he was constantly at war with the president of Poland, Lech Kaczyński (brother of the head of PiS). He allowed the Polish president to be murdered in Russia in the same way that Putin murdered Prigozin... in a plane crash
Tusk is a disaster for Poland... not all gold glitters and not every guy in a white shirt is a good character
The name of the party has historical meaning mostly, when it started it was using popularity of former minister of justice who was one of its founders. Later nobody was really thinking what the name stood for, it was just some name the party used :)
Current Polish politics is like that: KO - Koalicja obywatelska (civic coalition) is a mix of left/center parties, like PO - Platforma Obywatelska (Civic Platform), Z - Zieloni (Greens), N - Nowoczesna (Modern), IP - Inicjatywa Polska ( Polish Initiative). L - Lewica (Left) is a mix of left parties like: PPS - Polska Partia Socjalistyczna (Polish Socialist Party), NW - Nowa Lewica (New Left Party), R - Razem (Together). TW - Trzecia Droga (Third Way) - is a mix of right/center parties like: PSL - Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe (Polish Folk Party) and P2050 - Polska 2050 (Polish 2050). So that is very huge, but very different parties against PiS , Prawo i Sprawiedliwość (Law and justice) There will be many problems in many things and ideas to push in debates. Polish Politics system is divided in three ways, Sejm, senat and president. President have a right to sign up or reject aan act from sejm. IF president have signed an act so then an act is going to senate where these peoples is checking if it is right with constitution. If President have rejected an act or has doubts about an act so may direct it to constitution tribunal to check if such act is right with constitution and if may sign it. I hope that i have explained our political system. Sorry for my english.
I got anecdote:
When I was in Peru I met tourists who lived in Venezuela for past few years... I asked them what's really going on in there cause I'm watching global news and the picture isn't clear for me enough. They said to me that every news I've heard/seen is usually a peak of an iceberg and the real problem lays few layers below, that you need to be local to fully understand it. After Poland becoming wide spread topic in many world media I finally understand what he ment.
For me it's clear. Poland can only go West or East. We've decided to go with the EU. It's as simple as that
@@mateuszgrajko Go West, now mean go East, Middle East.
@@mateuszgrajko Well that was not the point, but yeah. Still I hope we will go side by side with EU, but not led by the hand.
It is not EU anymore. It is an ideological madhouse/kolkhoz.
@@mateuszgrajko So you think Britain has gone east? What the officials from Brussels, controlled by Germany, are creating is the equivalent of the USSR, the authorities in the EU are not democratically elected - it must fall apart.
Poland, stop this growth right now! - germany has spoken. 😅
We should show to Weber "finger", he should focus in German problems. Poland will grow, eventually, but will be tough, cause we sell too much our nation properties to international corps.
Masz pan 100% racji!!
Poles understand words defining political affiliation differently compared to English people, based on experience from the past of Polish politics as well as the way the country is governed by political parties that have historically obtained a parliamentary majority. Poland is a country where you have to look at the actions of politicians and parties to determine their degree of affiliation to the right or left, although sometimes these concepts are mixed within one party, which is reflected in the way it operates.
The Civic Coalition, called the center-left, can be very misleading for an Englishman, because it refers to everything else but money and finances (on the financial side, D. Tusk is more similar to Margaret Thatcher) and it bears absolutely no resemblance to the Labor party from the UK.
The "far right" are basically conservatives/ideological traditionalists who leaned towards the center in these elections, pressing for lower taxes and at the same time avoiding social benefits to a minimum, agitating for looser regulations for business and simplifying the complicated Polish tax law.
Law and Justice only in name is right-wing or ideologically center-right, but when it comes to finances, they are socialists because they give away more in social benefits than any party before them. Pensioners were most satisfied with Law and Justice, as they gained significantly during their rule through reforms in the pension system, or rather revaluation of pensions, and they also lifted the country out of poverty to some extent by providing benefits for children and establishing a minimum wage, which did not exist before.
Unfortunately, the two parliamentary systems in the UK and Poland are significantly different and cannot be compared one to one.
One is a true democracy. The other has House of Lords.
Tusk was like that maybe 16 years ago, at least that's what he declared back then and that's all. Nothing close to Thatcher. :P
I was laughing so badly waching this poor video about polish politics. Yes, yes, I know, that's only my opinion. But things are so much more complicated. Aaaaaand don't forget. Nothing about Poland without Poland. It's about our indenpendence. IMO the veto rule in the EU is good and it shoud stay like that. Take care!
Nope. The veto rule should be changed, because 1 bad actor bought by Russia (Hungary for example) can destroy the union (instead of just 1 country countering the other 27 countries it should be changed to 4 - 6 countries so their needs to be build a coalition). This is exactly what happened to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, at its time a superpower in Europe and destroyed by the Liberum Veto.
@@bohomazdesign725 what union? You live in some kind of dream if you think every country in ue has the same needs, belives and goals. Germany or France doesnt care about what Poland want and without any kind of veto power we will be in deep trouble.
@@bohomazdesign725Kto ciebie uczył historii Polski? Największym sojusznikiem Rosji są Niemcy. To ten sojusz doprowadził do rozbiorów Polski.
It's European channel, so it's obviously biased. I mean TLDR.
@@janekhercowicz4875 i rozpoczął II WŚ
Wkładasz kij w mrowisko 🙂
Improving relations with the EU means agreeing to quotas, i.e. accepting a certain number of illegal emigrants. And also extremely expensive energy reforms related to reducing co2 emissions.From what I heard, although the UK is not in the EU, it has adopted even stricter criteria for reducing CO2 emissions, which also affects the difficult situation of farmers and industry in the UK.
Looking at is that way is a konfa way of seeing the world :/
@@LukCPL That's realistic way of seeing the world. And it does't have anyhing to do with konfa.
Nope realistic is cooperation and strengthening our position through showing our power in being a central EU powerhouse the right way not standing in the corner of the world like idiots together with Orban and other right wing nutjobs, only bitching and of course wanting money without any responsibilities.@@malkontentniepoprawny6885
@@malkontentniepoprawny6885 To trochę smutne, że sprzeciw wobec zakazu samochodów czy przymusowego remontowania mieszkań w imię zmniejszenia śladu węglowego nagla stało się domeną "skrajnej" prawicy.
Jakby te postulaty nie były RADYKALNIE lewicowe.
The previous agreements about supplying Ukraine with weapons are still valid and executed.
Exactly so.
And what's more - it is Germany and their mignon Tusk who would be the first to back out from supporting Ukraine, if the US got busy somewhere else.
This video is propaganda ;-) .
Exactly, polish factory Bumar repair leopards
We're fucked
What would the English, the inhabitants of London, do if their mayor said "Why do we need an airport near London when there will soon be a large airport in Paris"? And this is what the president of Warsaw (vice-chairman of the Civic Platform) said about the CPK (Central Communication Port) being built, which is of great importance in the transport of people, cargo and security, combined with high-speed rail to every region of Poland - "Why do we need an airport near Warsaw if there will be a large airport soon in Berlin" - and won the elections. By the way, 76% of the media market in Poland is in the hands of foreign capital, mainly German.
13:05 yes, that will be huge problem: only thing that unites these people is removal of PiS from ruling, everything else divides them. I wouldn't be surprised, if we would have next election is Poland soon... ( like in less than 6 months)
1:25 thing is, Polish justice system isnt perfect and judges are above law - they cannot be stopped for speeding, they can refuse being alcohol-tested even, if they are plain drunk, they cannot be trialed for common crimes etc. All that requires disciplinary board(which consists from their collegues) to remove their immunity and make them viable for trial. I dont need to say here, that there were situations were some judges overused that privillege and never paid for braking the law as average Pole would do. PiS( Law and Justice) tried to fix that situation with creating independent disciplinary court, which would be independent from judges, but... that created a risk that this disciplinary court would be... dependent from politicians... and EU supreme court supported that complaints and decided that this new body should be disbanded and that's were it all failed 😂
All legal professions are dominated by former communists and their descendants. The judiciary has not been cleared of judges who sentenced fighters for a free and democratic Poland. They created a system in which only their children could become judges, lawyers and notaries. A kind of mafia arrangement was created.
Hi Rob, please buddy don't go in to politics, specially polish. It's complicated enough for brightest brains to work it out, and very dividing. Keep this channel politics free please.
Oh but I love politics and this channel has many many political videos. Politics is everywhere in life
The clip you watched was such a shallowed out and underinformed representation of what's actually going on behind the scenes, unfortunately
Its fine, I dont think it needed to be too detailed
OMG this video is do wrong. The situation differs to much to take it serious. You should watch something less manipulated
I love this „pa pa” at the end 😍
Ow Rob... You were so naive with idea of this video:P You have right about politics, talkin about it, but in Poland it's a kind of internal war. Divides are so deep and they are on so many levels, that for many people it's a matter of life and death. Russian agents, "bought by Germany" enemies of "real Poland", "traitor to the nation". I'ts a huge mess here. What I meant was asking people to comment about fresh elections was a little danger:P
Poland and Hungary don’t want to loose their sovereignty. That’s why they’re against loosing the “ veto “.
Yeah, Poland has also very good tradition of "liberum veto" :D
I agree you shouldnt touch Polish politics. You would be surprised how so many things you think are simple have quit complicated structure. Keep this blog light, please.
To be fair I did keep it light , 😉
@@RobReacts1 You are very naive to believe that the EU is a good thing. Especially now when the EU intends to change the content of the treaties so as to deprive the governments of member states of the right to decide, for example, about their finances. The issue of defense is also to be taken over by the EU government. A reform of the European Commission is also planned. If successful, as many as 12 countries will not have a representative there. The EU is currently an organization subordinated to the interests of Germany and France. Rob, your country was lucky that Brexit happened.
@@RobReacts1 There are many things that people forgot when they voted against the current government. For example, in the years 2007-2015, when today's opposition was in power, there was 14% unemployment in Poland. And young people had to work on "junk contracts", for the equivalent of one pound per hour, which forced them to emigrate en masse to work west. Including to Great Britain.
Nah men, do not let the Karens, antivaxxers, Russ lovers and other nutjobs/paid trolls/ idiots discourage you from any topic, she is 100% salty you were not singing praises to her party or calling Tusk a german devil :D EU is 100% the best thing to happen to Poland in the last 3-4 centuries, stupid people are just more afraid of the change and more prone to beliving in global conspiracies to take control from them, as if beign poor, isolated and on Russian/American mercy is better than having a democratic voting voice inside the EU... just shortsightness and fear of change.
The only thing you were wrong about is the parties, while the left is indeed splintered Civic Coalition is historically more center right and PSL/Third way are definently conservative center right parties, the left voters sum up only to about 15% of the total voting base, law and justice is conservative but fiscally their policies were definently more left leaning than the previous goverments for example, so it is indeed complicated.@@RobReacts1
Unfortunatelly the material you've watched was very manipulative on many levels. Even You catch some unwilingly by looking at the portaits of the politics wchich were deliberately chosen to show some politics as good looking and others with wry faces. Another example are the names of parties. Thle Law and Justice party was acused because it tried to reform the law which badly touched the memmbers of the opposition who had some things behind the ears and Eu exploited it to acused Poland. The Civic Party in the other hand have nothing to do with the civic movement because it is ruled with iron fist by its leader, just similar to his main opponent.
That elections were in fact about if Poland want to go pro old EU way, or if Poland want to build central-european coaliton under wings of USA. Since Germany made everything to kick UK out of EU, they rule almost totally here. Now they want to make from EU one country under their economical and political power. Problem is, that last decade shown that they are really shitty in terms of polithics. Imigration crissis - Germany's idea, against Poland. NordStream2 and cooperation with Russia on energetic field - idea of Germany, again against Poland. Covid Policy - total catastrophe. Green Deal - handicapping EU economy so hard, that not much left is profitable to made here anymore - also German idea, against Poland. That playing fool after Russia attacked Ukraine on first months with military help (which still lasts tbh) that was Germany, against Poland. What is even more dangerous, they are not learning a damn thing from mistakes there in Germany - now they closed Nuclear Power Plants, and they want to cooperate closer with other authorytharian giant - China. Law and Justice party was on a position that we have to be stronger and more independent energetically (which they achieved), economically (which they for sure were achieving), politically (after war started the diplomatic ffensive by Morawiecki and Duda was awesome), militarly (legendary polish weapon shopping) - everything under a shield of USA. Center-left coalition are pro federalization of EU, all that green and immigration polithics. Thats why they had full EU help in campaigh. Inside Poland it was crazy circus, cos in fact both sides were offering more or less same thing, but one side was pro abortion, and all that gender polithics and other was against. That basically all what people really cared of in Poland.
pisuarnia skłóciła nas z wszystkimi sąsuadami pajacu a brednie o ktorych piszesz to czysta propaganda!
D.T.sk's relationship with UE is not a good thing for the sovereignty of our country.... :(
You compare the situation in your country where people were misled by Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson about the benefits they will receive after leaving the European Union. In Poland it looks slightly different. People are afraid of total dependence on the decisions of the European Parliament and the will of Germany, which Donald Tusk will probably agree to. D. Tusk has already neutered most of the Polish industry once during his rule, people lost their jobs, unemployment and extreme poverty were rampant. I think that not all Poles want a dependent puppet state. But this does not mean that Poles want to leave the EU - I think they are far from such a decision. However, they want to be independent in decision-making from other countries, they want prosperity and higher salaries. The election results depended on rising prices and costs of living. Poles' living costs are approaching the costs incurred by the English in their own country, and Poles' salaries are half as much - this is the eternal Polish disappointment.
I wouldn't agree with that 'unemployment and extreme powerty' during Tusks ruling It was way much more better than it is now What is PiS doing? Nationalizing companies, putting their own members, families and friends as supervisors and embezlling public money
This sounds much like PiS's narration
But you described the sentiments of the PiS voters, not the opposition ones.
'The election results depended on rising prices and costs of living.' - nope, those were mostly voices for the political change. More cooperation with the EU and other states, less bullshit propaganda of 'EU and German dependency', less conservative, humiliating laws, smaller impact of the catholic church. And of course less political corruption, specialite a la maison of PiS.
@@blinski1 However, there is no doubt that the situation from a decade ago may repeat itself. In this case, the concerns of right-wing voters will become a fact. Then what? Who will Poles blame this time? Will they vote for the opposite side again to achieve a different result? Life goes by and Poland will continue to be a country of poor people and cheap labor. With this method, we will never be a rich country, but only a colony subject to the influence of others. Apparently, Poles must care about this, which will not make most of us live according to the desired European standards.
to pisuarnia doprowadziła polskue firmy do upadku cymbale!! propagandy sie nazarles!
@@RafałMalczewski-e6v Decade ago we were at the path of constant growth, but 1) ruling coalition sucked big time with PR and naively thought people would see everything with their own eyes, so whatever, 2) there was a migration crisis and PiS knew how to make use of it, spewing fear. Plus of course 500+ program, to buy some voters.
Every country is influenced by others, especially in the EU. You cannot be just some lonely island without the need of adopting to common European market and politics, no-one would treat you like a trustworthy partner. Maybe if we were Switzerland or Norway, but we're not.
fun fact "Law and Justice" name of the party is taken from the Bible. Ezekiel 45:9 "Give up your violence and oppression and do what is just and right [in Polish: ...and fulfill law and justice]. So the name doesn't suggest they are going to care about those things, this is an ideological (christian) decleration
O nie!
Jesteśmy zgubieni!
First of all, Tusk party got over 1M votes less than rulling party PIS (Tusk 30% PIS Rulling party 36%) so title of this video is misleading there is no such a thing as Tusk victory. Also there is no coalition right now between oposition parties
Politicians everywhere behaving like toddlers in a sand pit, it seems that they'll never grow up
Hi Rob. Consider adding Polish subtitles to your podcast. I think it will add a few tens of thousands of your subscribers.
There are Polish subs on all my videos :) They are google auto translate but better than nothing.
Back Polish tragedy
I'll give one example to explain to nonpolish viewers what kind of people we are dealing with.
The present government has been working on the project of a new airport. It will cost £10 billion to build, but the profit for the next 30 years is estimated to be £200billion, it will also create 350000 new jobs. It's a win-win situation, but guess what the new government says. They claim we don't need it because we already have an airport in.... Berlin.
It shows what to expect from them for the next 4 years.
All you hear about Poland being antithis and anti that is a fake information spread by our "favourite" neighbour who needs to cope with competition of super hard working people in Poland. They will do everything to keep us at the back of the line
Whenever Germany is happy about something happening in Poland its NEVER good for Poland.
A bit dramatic
@@magdabogart6592 im not the one making outlandish statements with no real evidence or facts
@@RobReacts1 do you know anything about Tusk and his connections to Putin and the liberal EU mafia ? He was Merkel's pet. Not to mention the industry's and business he sold to western countries during his reign ? He left Poland a shithole. Most people left the country during his leadership as there was nothing for them. Now he came back to fuck it up.
PiS was good for Poland nad Poles. They were going in right direction of building economically strong and sovereign country. Not everyone in Europe liked it. Especially Russia and Germany. What comes now are politicians which bring the ceiling of expectations down to medium growth and total subjugation to EU and Germany. This also will make Russia happy. These politicians are not real Polish patriots.
6:46 in Poland it's quite the opposite, they takes only the worst bits of left wing and right wing. 7:17 again in Poland it's the opposite it easier to win for left-wing parties than it is for right-wing parties, this is easy to see, considering that after the fall of communism in Poland, no right-wing party was ever in power, only left-wing or center-left parties.
8:57 I wouldn't say "far right" at most they are "mid right"
13:07 It might be good for Tusk and EU, but not for Poland
Zobaczymy. Jak sss... wężuje coś, to dostanie kopniaka w tył. Nie będę się cackał ani z nim ani z Kaczymsynem.
a co prawicowego moze byc dobre dla Polski?? mity watykańskiego okupanta czy mafijny rząd???
@@PaulPaul-bq2wk nie wiem czy słyszałeś, jest takie coś co się gospodarka nazywa.
@@xountajZajebista gospodarka, która została doszczętnie rozjebana przez PiS.
As a pessimist I must say I believe the center takes the worst bits of both, not the best. xD
1:25 It's a common occurrence. In Poland we have a saying: "diabeł się w ornat ubrał i ogonem na mszę dzwoni". Sorry I cannot translate that. :)
"Devil in disguise of a priest rings a church bell with his tail for a mass" 😅tried my best
@@matyy_. Not a bad try. You only forgot about "tail" which is quite important. He rang the bell with his tail.
fixed it :D@@martingorbush2944
The devil got a chasuble and is calling for a mass
The government of the PO-PSL coalition with Prime Minister Tusk eight years ago - Millions of Poles worked on "junk contracts" (without insurance: disability, health, accidents at work), at an hourly rate of PLN 3-5, i.e. EUR 0.8-1. 30% poverty level (real poverty where many children went hungry). After eight years of PiS rule, the minimum net hourly rate is PLN 21 (EUR 4.7). This is how it was when the people who are now to form the government were in power, young people don't remember, but they will find out
niezle bredzisz! na kłamstwach pisuarze daleko nie zajedziesz. Takuch stawek nie było 30 lat temu! W 2000 r w pierwszej pracy miałem 2500 brutto - ok 1900 na reke. 8 lat temu zarabialem wiecej niz dzis a za te sane pieniadze moglem kupic 5 x wiecej !!
@@PaulPaul-bq2wk It is worth watching TVN's "Kuchenne Rewolucje" season 10, episode 13 in Przasnysz (from 2014), where cooks and waitresses working "on junk contracts" earned PLN 3 per hour. And this is not literary fiction, the rates were similar in Warmia and Mazury
as in many other places in Poland far from large cities (in 2015, when PO returned to power, unemployment was 18.8%, many people were forced to emigrate to survive). Of course, in large cities the rates were higher, but only the children of former activists of the Polish People's Republic and the entire "elite" of the Third Polish Republic could count on permanent jobs.
@@PaulPaul-bq2wk Ja bredzę? Ile godzin pracowałeś na te 1900? Co ci zdrożało 5 razy? Paliwo kosztuje tyle co za rządów PO, przez inflację (głównie w wyniku wojny na Ukrainie i tarczy antykryzysowej za którą głosowała również PO) żywność podrożała, niektóre produkty najwyżej 2 razy. Dużo podrożały nieruchomości, działki, materiały budowlane, w wyniku bumu budowlanego - ludzie mają dużo pieniędzy skoro stać ich budować domy , na zachodzie Europy na własny dom stać nielicznych. Płaca minimalna z 3 zł wzrosła do 21 zł/godz. Nie każdy jest pozbawionym empatii egoistą, widzącym tylko czubek własnego nosa, zmień się przecież chcesz do "demokratycznej", "uczciwej", "dbającej o wszystkich" Europy
@@robertkowalski7932 niezle cpiesz dziecko🤣🤣🤣
Poland will not regress, Poland will progress, simple as.
Soon even the EU funds which are blocked will be unblocked and the hefty fines Poland has to pay every day to the EU will end which is already a massive advantage for the tax payers money, not to mention that the economy will keep growing further as it always has since the collapse of communism until covid.
Tusk is the German governor. Poland has just lost its independence. 😞
What a load of nonesense
@@RobReacts1 It's a fact. Tusk receives orders from Berlin.
@@RobReacts1 Unfortunately, this is not nonsense. I don't know if you know, but Donald Tusk's party has already announced the suspension of most large investments in Poland, the implementation of which did not please the Germans. This included the Central Communication Port, a large international airport that was to be built near Warsaw.
Masz pan 100% racji !!
Rob you basically do not understand what just happened. Tusk supports all post communists who occupy most top positions in courts , police , or other national institutions and he's himself a criminal. His party had a chance to be in power and they destroyed everything. He was doing everything what he was told by Germany, he's basically a German puppet.
The european commission is consistent with the same theme: more power to ue than european countries. 😅
you mean more power to germany and france?
@@Bloker710yes, or more precisely, mostly Germany
The word you're looking for is Belgium
You have zero idea what you're talking about.
First, read some kinda book on how this terrifying Union actually works. Because you obviously have zero understanding of it.
What would the English, the inhabitants of London, do if their mayor said "Why do we need an airport near London when there will soon be a large airport in Paris"? And this is what the president of Warsaw (vice-chairman of the Civic Platform) said about the CPK (Central Communication Port) being built, which is of great importance in the transport of people, cargo and security, combined with high-speed rail to every region of Poland - "Why do we need an airport near Warsaw if there will be a large airport soon in Berlin" - and won the elections. By the way, 76% of the media market in Poland is in the hands of foreign capital, mainly German.
Hey Rob love the content. Good job on your progress in polish. Where does your fascination of Poland come from?
My to lubimy oglądać 😂
@@jonybravo2930Nie zmienia to jednak faktu, że on się próbuje uczyć polskiego. Gdyby robił to tylko dla zasięgów i kasy, to na pewno nie poświęcałby swojego czasu na naukę. On jest zafascynowany naprawdę naszym krajem, a nie tak jak niektórzy inni youtuberzy, że podlizują się Polakom dla wyświetleń.
@@inka1780 Albo polski rząd zapłacił YT kurwom by popromowali polske 😂 weź kiedyś pomyśl samodzielnie co ??? 😆
8:57 Konfederacja was never a potential PiS coalition partner. They voted against PiS way more than the other parties.
When it mattered the most they voted with PiS. Every single anti-democratic law PiS pushed got the green light from the Konfederussia party.
@@bohomazdesign725 well, not really. It depends which laws you call anti-democratic. Also, they openly stated many times that they are not interested in coalition with pis and they want Kaczyński to go on retirement
That's why they had such a poor result
@@robertkowalski7932 they had poor result because the mainstream media portrayed them as pis allies and idiots were spreading this rumors.
@@tuomollobo kłamali pajacu. pisuarnia finansuje ordo iurus, telewizje republike i dziesiatki innych przekretow nazistowskiej konfy!!!
You are right Rob, it is called Unconcious Bias. Do not judge on your imagination based on the picture.
However, the truth is that unconscious bias is more accurate than blind judgment.
4:19 - you’re so right, everytime I saw anyone from Law and Justice party, I wanted to throw my TV out the window
When i saw title i though "shit about to hit the fan" but u did it lightly.
Intresting vid keep up good work!
Thanks. Im learning myself. I will always give my opinions on what I know and can relate to and will always tell people where I stand on the political scale.
@@RobReacts1 It's only fair. People can agree with you or not, but you're not forcing anything on anybody. Great content ;)
Rob with all respect - you don’t understand polish politics . To simplify - civic platform represents interest of Germany (literally) and Low and Justice interest of Poland . Sure they make many mistakes but Tusk didn’t deliver not one of previous promises unlike Low and Justice.
I would say Civic Platform is a puppet of Germany, while Law and Justice is a puppet of the USA. These elections were about geopolitical alignment (either with the US or with Germany). Unfortunately most of the voters did not realise this. Actually, Law and Justice rule was very prosperous due to American support. Donald Tusk's rule was poverty as Germany would like to see Poland as its colony. However, the Law and justice have much more annoying rhetorics. This is why they lost.
Polityka to skomplikowana rzecz do oceny. Wiele dzieje się za kulisami. Ten film, który słuchałeś jest tylko z pozoru obiektywny.
Podam 2 przykłady:
1. Podczas rządów PiS premier Morawiecki podpisywał wszystko co UE przynosiła.
2. Zmiany traktatów w UE spowoduje zwiększenie utraty suwerenności państw. Decyzje dotyczące szkolnictwa, polityki zagranicznej, zdrowia, energetyki będą podejmowane przez polityków w Brukseli, którzy pewnie nigdy nie byli w Polsce.
Dokument zmiany przepisów traktatów odnosi się do postaci Spinelliego, włoskiego komunisty.
There is some misinformarion in the video you were watching.
Konfederacja (confederation) is NOT fat-right. Its centro-right or right at most. Also it declared that it is NEVER going to enter a coalition with PiS.
Also no. Tusk is not thrustworthy, wich was shown by his reign in Poland before PiS.
Well, shit happens.
One word is enough to describe this... a disaster.
I am pretty unstasified with the results as i am kinda a Law and Justice fanboy but i really also would like for some of the smaller parties to win as these couple of years only PO (Civil Platform) and PIS (Laws and Justice) were getting the Spotlight
I ca't agree more on the topic of including smaller parties. It's the worst thing that can happen when a single party has all the power to do anything in the country. I'm not PiS fanboy at all, though I do agree with lots of right arguments. A lot of what they are saying makes sense to me but I the problem is they don't do it and if they do they choose the worst way possible antagonising everyone in the process. The parliament should be a bunch of people with different points of view agreeing together the ways that would work best for everyone (meaning as many as possible) and not just looking for ways to make it better for themselves.
Sunday, sunday, bloody sunday 😅
Konfederacja is not related to PiS. They are an Independent party so that's some bs
Like a british guy your accent sound really good
Tldr is not the best channel to gather information from. Lot of mistakes in the materials and and bad research (or lack of knowledge).
Dude, plz do not engage in politics, especially of a country you know barely anything about. Our country is divided enough by those idiots from "both" sides.
I will... did you not listen to me at the start. I come in with reason and create links to what I know
@@RobReacts1 It is no matter what you saying if your video start from Tusk ugly face. We have politic war in Poland, and better for you is not mix in the middle.
AMEBA INTELEKTUALNA
Chill out
@@mateuszgrajko Ciężko wyczilować, jak banda matołów dopuszcza do władzy na zmiane tych samych ludzi od dwudziestu lat.
Well Rob, the true problem is that, we in Poland have expirience with another Union, wich dominanted our politics, and were in fact decision maker about mamy Things of our country. So many people has trust issue about current Union, especially when it try to make us do what they want. The fun fact is, that the younger people are more radical and anti-UE, but older people who remember communism in Poland under the soviet union, are more likely EU lovers, and do nit afraid of giving up decisions to Brussels
Well, detailed data from elections shows something completely opposite 😂
Young people voted for broad opposition (EU oriented), while old ones (60+) voted for PiS (anti-EU).
Young people don't want to leave EU, they want to have freedom of movement, freedom of work in EU, freedom of doing business within EU. So, you can't be further from truth.
PS.
There is only one party that is openly anti-EU - Konfederacja, but they got like 7-8% of votes.
@@mehow357 A wybory to są aninimowe czy nie? Bo ja nie pamiętam żebym popisywał kartę do głosowania. Skąd niby te dane statystyczne zakładam z ostatnich wyborów?
@@bee12117 tak, z ostatnich wyborów, bodajże podawane również przez PKW. Polecam lektórę z podziałem na 3 głowne kategorie:
- wiek
- wykształcenie
- wielkość miejscowości zamieszkania.
PiS miał dużą większość w tych kategoriach w wartościach:
- 60+
- podstawowe
- wieś
Młodzi (do 25 lat) głosowali w ok 90% nie na PiS (nie pamiętam dokładnej wartości - do sprawdzenia). Przez "nie na PiS" mam na myśli również Konfę.
Polecam najpierw sprawdzić, a nie tylko ironicznie krytykować, kwestionować i spekulować wymyślając własne teorie i wartości.
Tusk & friends is the worst choice.
Sure because uncle kaczor is so much better steeling everything for 8 years!
@LukCPL Just little bit better.
Too many refer to PiS as right-wing. It is more complicated than that. PiS has a leftwing social welfare program, which is similar to the British Labour Party or the Australian Labor Party. However, on social engineering and morality policies such as legislating against a woman's right to an abortion, it was on the far right. PiS stuffing about the rule of law and the right to an abortion is what let it down, and possibly Poland, because it was spot on with sovereignty issues, defense spending, support for Ukraine, and aligning its foreign policy more with the USA and Britain rather than the wishy-washy EU. Let's hope Tusk keeps on that path and does not cave into Germany and France. Both these two countries are untrustworthy as they were slow in helping Ukraine, and in breaking off doing business with Russia.
Polish politics is not similar to Britain - not at all. It is rather unique, and I am sad, as an Australian lefty and member of the Australian Labor Party that PiS unnecessarily engaged in unpopular social engineering, media control, and undermining the independence of the judiciary.
Tusk is not beter for Poland Rob. this is sisaster for Poland. this person is Mor Germany agent in Polan covered by public relation games so please be more with distance for this ;) Polisj people dond wana live in new German Roman Empire. if we have to lets keep same state with Independedn nations in EU not 4th Rich. wtahs why those voting as done but loos by unawared young people what they dont know whats going on cose of less experience in live.
Youre sounding like a conspiracy theorist
Rob, the conspirators are the dumb majority of EP, the EC and especially 5 madmen (4 Germans and 1Belge, the 6th -Polish author - decided not to support this ideological crap and left) who wrote down a some 160- pages -report, which demands the EU nations to be totally depraved of key competences, which are to be delegated to Brussels, read:Berlin. The Veto-right will be cancelled, accordingly. IV Reich in making. Regards.
@@RobReacts1 hehe, no ;) just try to hight light a risk what we have to deal with (try to go deep into Polish geostratey podcasts on youtube). Polish strategy is to have independent state with EU open market but independent state (so keep the veto as a tool against to stronger country like Germany and so on) to adjust suitable ageerment between politicians from other countries.
If these farmers are fighting for survival, 53% of them, before they went to vote 7 years ago to LEAVE the EU, should first read a little and ask here and there about the European Union and agriculture.
It means my homeland sold to Germany and France. It means nato defend plan at vistula river not eastern border. It means leftists socialism like in Germany and tons of illegal immigrants on our streets. It means deals with putin to maintain cheap economy for Germany and so on and so on.
Tusk😡😖🤢🤮
12:08 Any country besides Major countries in the EU are opposing this idea. That idea will mean that Germany Italy and France will have power to oppose any minor countries coallition and will practically rule other countries as they want. Politics is not about being friendly but about finding the best posittion to get the most from situation. Being humble and ,,behaving" is just a way of saying thet minor countries should just obey the rule of Germany and France
Because of him i had to leave Poland 16 years ago, always dreamed of going back and my dreams got shattered for now.
The trouble with politicians is that they don't really care about their country just their bank balance. Gone are the days when we had people like Marget Thatcher, John Smith etc. You have both leaders who are rich and both leaders do not know what a woman is because he is scared of upsetting a small majority.
PiS is a political party that has been called Russophobic for years. Mainly by German politicians who had strong interests with Russia. The former president of Poland was in Tbilisi in 2008. along with other leaders of Central and Eastern Europe, which stopped the Russian offensive on Georgia. L. Kaczyński 2008. Tbilisi, the speech is worth seeing. For this move in 2010. died in Russia. KO is a political party that is more pro-European. He realizes that Western Europe has not had much contact with Russia, does not know their culture or the mentality of Russian rulers. As a Pole, I believe that Russia was and is a threat to Europe. Coming back to KO and Donad Tusk, he downplays the problem of Russia's imperialism, which pleased the Germans. The elections in Poland show that practically half of the nation does not want to worry about this problem, and the other half prefers to prepare for such an eventuality.
6:45
EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT I KEEP SAYING!
Laws are meant to protect lives of citizens, not make things harder.
You just put the cat among the pigeons
Rob, I know a few British women working at a pretty high level in Vienna, and after Brexit and because of Brexit, they would lose their jobs and have to move back to England. So they decided to give up British citizenship (as required by Austrian law) to get citizenship of Austria, only to retain EU citizenship and to keep the right to live and work in the EU. At least some of them got their Austrian citizenship through - I think - a fake marriage with Austrian guys. Now - they say - they feel weird when, with their new Austrian passports, they go to visit their parents in England when British border control officers ask them for what reason they want to go to England, how much money they have with them, and if they have enough money for every single day they plan to stay in the UK. Only because they want to go to their family homes for a weekend or a week, where they spent their childhood.
Gosh, how moronic your Brexit was.... The Kremlin's money played a big part in it. Your MI5 should investigate this.
I'm sorry, but as an Englishman you don't understand what is happening in Poland. Saying PIS is a conservative-nationalist party in the Western media. What's wrong with nationalism? Every government should fight for the good of its country. What does it mean that PiS is a dictatorship? Have you seen a dictator who loses in democratic elections and gives power to the opposition?! P.S. I have never voted for PIS, but I am annoyed by the simplification.
I hate nationalism. In the words of Richard Dawkins, nationalism created brexit, trump and Hitler. We are the human race!
@@RobReacts1 Now people who think like you will stop the construction of a nuclear power plant in Poland, because it is an investment that our western neighbors from Germany do not like.
I feel the need to correct you a bit there - when people talk about the rule of law in Poland deteriorating under PiS, it's not about the general public order going down the drain. There is no huge wave of crime sweeping Poland, really. The things referred to are the institutions of the state being destroyed or rotting from the inside:
- We have Constitutional Tribunal, responsible for ruling whether laws are in line with Polish constitution - now it doesn't really function, there is a controversy whether its holds this seat legally AND a couple of the judges of the tribunal have been selected in blatantly unconstitutional manner, potentially making all the rulings they participated in invalid (but then again, there is no mechanism to really decide that)
- We have a special body responsible for a lot of things regarding promotions and assignments of judges; the rules of selecting people into that body have been altered in questionably legal way and right now the body - contrary to its constitutional role - is very political, making it questionable whether the judges under its care are independent judges at all
- We have the public prosecutor's office that is held in firm grasp by the political appointees, and operating quite blatantly for political purposes (most obviously - dropping basically any and all charges against the people associated with the ruling party, ESPECIALLY charges related to some illegal "political" moves)
...and there are more like that. The crisis of rule of law in Poland isn't about breakdown of public order but about the ruling party compromising the very core of the country's legal order to make it serve its political needs, shield its members from responsibility for unlawful actions and, well, get rich at the country's expense.
The worst thing about all this is that these parties change every few years. So in 4 or 8 or 12 years PiS will come back again.
I like your channel so I try to be as nice as I can.
Don't go into polish politics. Old people just don't care anymore, they are too old to understand that 'Law and Justyce' party is not good with its socialist ideas.
Young people don't remember that when 'KO' (Tusk) was in power people didn't have money to buy meat, at that time it was not about a living it was about a survival.
The '3rd way' is almost as bad as the rest and the worst party for country and people is probably 'the left'.
The best party for country and people would probably be 'Konfederation' but to get it you need knowledge about many things like economics etc. and time to think about the things they are saying, which people don't have. Wifes works, husbands works and comming back home where nothing is done (both tired and irritated) and when they finally dont working at the home its too late for most things.
Also this video that you watched it very biaised towards Tusk. Thats true that Poland and Hungary were against some things that EU wanted to do. Mostly migration from the Africa which Poland and Hungary were right about but nobody is talking about that. Poland was also against Nord stream 2 and having so much trade with Russia and Poland was right.
Lets not even talk that Tusk, after Poland got independance from Soviet Russia, was against 'getting rid of communistic people from govermant and administration positions'. The event is called "Nocna zmiana" ("Night shift" - roughly translated). Tusk also earned Poland the highest gas prices from Russia many years ago (10-20 I think) compare to entire Europe.
I think that we should not compare the Polish parliament to the British one, because in Poland its composition changes almost completely until the next parliamentary elections,. It is outdated and badly constructed, and instead of a place where it will be suffocated about laws that are good for citizens, it becomes a meme factory. In Great Britain the parliament has existed since the 13th century, and in Poland since the 15th century, but even then it was only a place of struggles for privileges and power, getting rich. To a large extent, it was he who contributed to the weakening of the country and, in the long run, the partitions of Polish. And when it comes to the elections, both of these parties act in the same way, doing similar, if not the same, financial scams.
If we meet in Westquay. I will take you to Costa on top floor and I will explain you polish politics, OK?
Young does not mean clever.
You need to be Polish to understand what has happened. That's for sure. By the way I really do not like taking about politics. If you want to argue it's a good way.
As a Pole, I will tell you one thing. It doesn't matter which party wins in Poland. Poles will always lose, because all these parties are paid by Western corporations that have taken over the entire market in Poland. That's why I don't call the politicians in power the government, but the management. And I agree with the voices in the comments, please do not go towards politics, especially Polish politics, and I say this as a person who is a little more aware of what is really happening in Poland and not only listening to the official propaganda which in Poland is worse than in China in the 1980s and 90's
Hi Rob,
as a jam roll born in the uk I have strong opinions with regard to politics in the old country.
Enough to say the country needs to open it's eyes and move forward.
It means Poland is fucked, we were in bad place during the rule of PiS, but now it's going to be even worse
Mam dwa konta na youtubie. Na pierwszym koncie nie widzę moich komentarzy z drugiego konta, a na drugim nie widzę komentów z pierwszego. Tak tylko Was uprzedzam....
you were just on point with national treasure Kaczynski who takes his methods from Kremlin
Dont believe anything was sad on this movie. This are only lies.
law and order where awfull at modernizing law becose courts are dominated by people from communists times, they children and they have nothing to do with being just, about 15 years ago it was impossible to be Judge if you didn't have connection's with postcomunists now you have some chances but very slim. Basickly old juges that are directly connected to communists party and previous totalitarian system elect new Judges and they elect they own people they can trust.
Law and order try to change this but opposition party is strongly connected with postcomunists and everything's law and order do in order to reform law in Poland they go craing to EU that rule of law is being broken. Right now they are Judges in Poland that you have on video tape they stilling something, or who driven drank and kill some one and they cannot be jugged becose they have immunity, and only people who can decide to remove immunity in order to judge them are they fellow most trusted post communists colleges so if you are with in system you are protected from any crime
Sorry as British you should not speak about freedom and good choices xD you give it to Hindi who even doesent pay taxes in his country.
You think I make those choices? You think my opinions align with the current government or previous governments?
@@RobReacts1 To zostaw nasz kraj w spokoju. Twój światopogląd nikogo nie obchodzi.
1. It wasn't a coalition of centre-left parties against one right wing party. In fact, so-called "Trzecia Droga" is quite conservative. Lewica is a left wing, and KO is a mix of liberals, left and even some conservatives.
2. Trzecia Droga, and especially PSL would make a better coalition with PiS, as they are quite similar in their conservative view, but there is a reason why PiS is unable to form any form of coalition. Jaroslaw Kaczysnki, lider of PiS, know only one type of ruling - his way. And so, he lost power in 2007, because he was trying to corrupt leader of his coalition party. It wasn't the case of accepting bribe and reporting it - polish anticoruption forces were offering such bribe. And then, in 2020, his second coalition partner was ignored, so Jaroslaw Kaczynski has bribed members of this party, and they left their leader for either minister position or high position at one of the companies belonging to the state.
3. In UK we vote on Thursday, which can justify lower turnout, but in Poland it's Sunday, so more people are able to vote. It's quite interesting, that in Poland, more people went to vote now, than when their had the first chance to vote for other party then communists in 1989.
4. Poland have a mix voting system, so the lower parliament (sejm) have proportionate system, hence PiS have so many MP's, and in higher parliament (senat) it's similar to UK, and due to the coalition, PiS have 34 representants out of 100, if I'm not mistaken.
5. PiS had such a good result in this election, mostly due to the abuse of power. The polish equivalent of BBC was entirely controlled by this party, and so around 3 million of people were feed with pure propaganda every single day. Then you have state owned companies (like banks, energy and many more) which sponsored this party campaign. Not to mention their CEO's, who were appointed by PiS, and each paid 45k PLN every year, which is maximum, an individual can pay for a party. All of these advantages made this year election not even. Despite it, they lost...
6. You said Andrzej Duda doesn't look trustworthy - well, for the last 7 years he was just a figure. Signing everything Jaroslaw Kaczynski wanted him to sign - with very few exceptions (usually meaningless exceptions). Same with Mateusz Morawiecki. PiS made a pathological system, where Jaroslaw Kaczynski who decided about everything, had no official function, yet both Prime Minister and President were doing whatever he wanted.
7. There are two more elections in Poland next year - one to Euro parliament and one similar to council election in UK. We will see then, how PiS performs without this financial and propaganda instruments.
8. Your video is 3 weeks old, and what PiS does has not changed - their are throwing government money for organisations that they control, and appointing their members to organisations, where it would be hard if not impossible to fire them...
PS: Law and Justice is just a historical name, it doesn't suit this party. In 2019 election, they were using Pegasus (Israel technology designed to spy on terrorists) against the KO chef of campaign - which was checked and confirmed by independent organisations.
This is far more complicated not to mention Tusk is associated with taking power after the President died in Smolensk. While the PIS leader is the twin of the RIP president. During PIS many good decisions were made that lead to a strong economy and military improvements (Ukraine Russian war deff helped) I’ve seen you praise PIS (not directly but agreeing with their decisions) PIS is however too far right when it comes to social freedoms and or really human rights. But then again Poland is wildly catholic still so lgbtq and abortions aren’t on pis agenda. Anyway so much more could be said
i see some salty people in here lmao whats the problem with that video if he wants to learn about our little hell of politics let him do it he aint political activist or something as well as i dont get vibes like stupid westernoid because he clearly says whe would like to get to know more so i dont undestand your way of thinking fr
haha exactly spot on
We are just done, f***ed up
Tusk = end of Poland .... horrible times are coming
Rob, PiS (Law and Justice) is not on Right Side, they are Conservative Left-Center Side, no matter they are say.
Law and justice is right side. Conservative is right side.
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@@RobReacts1 They call themselves right-wing because of their conservative approach to ideological matters. But in fact, they are right-wing only in ideological matters, and extreme left in economic matters and state management. First of all, law and justice are against the free market, they support centralization of state management, increasing taxes, large social assistance, cooperation with trade unions and expanding state institutions - these are classic leftist demands.
@@RobReacts1 They pretend to be "conservative". From economic point of view they are leftist.