The Polish Election Results are BAD NEWS for Hungary
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2023
- Hungary, often described as a thorn in the EU's side, has repeatedly blocked the European initiatives. And while the EU has a treasure chest of disciplinary tools, their mightiest - Article 7, dubbed the 'nuclear option' -- has been ineffective. Why? Enter Poland, Hungary's trusty sidekick in EU-defiance. Together, these historical buddies have teamed up against EU sanctions and pressure, especially the dreaded Article 7. But here's the twist: recent Polish elections saw a regime change, with Tusk's coalition taking the reins. So, Hungary might be on the brink of losing its partner-in-resistance. But fear not, the EU-Hungary tango isn't over. Rumor has it another country is warming up in the wings, ready to dance to Hungary's beat.
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Terrible math at 4:12. The opposition potentially has 212 seats (not 204). Apologies for the mistake.
For some reason, Montenegro was not on your map or in the script. Yesterday air, Montenegro started flying to Slovakia and buying airplanes in Slovakia
Get rid of the EU.
@@jaredfontaine2002 go cry about it
@@runningunclesinc854 Just exit like the UK
@@jaredfontaine2002 sure. Say goodbye to your economy. Most memberstates won't function without Schengen. And how about the CAP keeping your agricultural industry afloat? Or the Nextgen EU fund which gives your country billions as compensation for the pandemic..
Slovakia has a small problem: the Euro. Being part of the Euro zone implies a higher level of compliance from Slovakia than Poland. So, perhaps, the veto from Slovakia would not happen as we might think.
Slovakia has only one problem and that’s new (old) premier Fico that killed two journalist never connect and finish highways and is corrupted to the bone 40 of his people are in jail. And the main problem is that EU parliament know this.
Can you elaborate on being in the Eurozone? What exactly would this change?
@@imcbocian fiscal policies may be decided by the European Central Bank, the Eurozone countries agreed to give this power away, in order to be able to adopt the Euro
@@goodvibes9611it is surprisingly reminiscent of the history of Ukraine. There, after a murder attempt, a politician whose connection with gangsters had long been known lost the election. Then, after the next elections and a campaign that was extremely generously subsidized from abroad, he returned to power 😄 He also believed that relations with Russia should be improved and tightened, and this was also one of his campaign slogans 😏 I hope that Orban will not invade Slovakia to regain "their historic territories"...
@@pasaniucdaniel4112 ok, but how EU Central Bank can influence specifically Slovakia wiothout doing harm to the rest of EU. Is it even possible?
Not to mention that such action would be illegal since Central Bank is independent and cannot be influenced by EU Parliament, nor Council. By anyone in that matter. Isn't it?
Slovakia is luckily much smaller and weaker than Poland. And Fico is running a coalition. I think he only got 22% of the vote. It seems hard to believe that Slovakia could take over Poland's role as a spoiler.
as a hungarian, i really hope so, and Slovakia going to stay pro-EU
Slovakia is on right path right now.
Slovakia of all countries helping hungary sounds impossible
@@sitrueis4007
In supporting the neo-nazis in the Kremlin in coalition with Hungary?
WW2 vibes.
@@Maliers exactly these people are delusional and seeing enemies to their ideology where there are non. Slovakia has elected a person with strong character that actually does things that are in their best interest. I wish our government were less progressive. It's like in the 80s, when state officials went to kreml for notes, the only thing that changed is that now they go to Brussels.
Western Europe is like Islamabad and lost
love Hungary from Poland!
As a Hungarian, I am very ashamed of my country's goverment. They aren't politicians, they are just opportunistic oligarchs, who don't care if they are destroying the country and possibly the EU.
So United for Hungary is better? These NeoCommunists will shatter and destroy your nation! We Czechs have already the worst government in EU, only 17% Approve, while the rest hates them! It is a coalition of 5 parties and it is an absolute chaos here!! One party can focus on its own policies without any stupid compromises and conflicts. Be happy with your government, LGBT, Liberalism, Communism and Socialist are the enemies of the people and of all the normal nations! Glory to Fidesz!!!!
I agree.
Like in one of my favorite song:
"Nem igaz, hogy ilyen történelem után,
Zsarnok uralkodik a sok bután."
In English:
"It is unreal, after such a history
still a tyrant rules over the many foolish."
Why? You're one of the few European countries not flooded with violent muslims
mafia government
I'm also a Hungarian citizen and I agree with you strong, Viktor Orbán is ruining the Education, the Healthcare and the Economy, year by year we face harder times to just survive.
From outside Hungary might seems nice but I can guarantee that living here is barely better then living in an African country. Barely!
Yeah Poland!
As a Hungarian I say the Polish election results are great news for Hungary, and I am very happy about them.
Soon you will follow the UK... money suckers!
2:02 😊
@@Timii._ka7litzzxgreat thing!
Życzę wam tego samego. Dość fidesz i dość PIS
@@polandball122pl I'm sorry too, but in that situation Hungary cannot move forward. Orban is a serious threat to the good of the EU
I love Poland so much! Support from Romania! 😍
🇵🇱♥️🇷🇴
Orban and Putin are also popular in the Netherlands, especially among the extreme right-wing political parties. Both Geert Wilders (PVV) and Thiery Baudet (FvD) openly express their support for Orban. Baudet goes one step further by also openly supporting Putin.
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They should move to Hungary and live a little here. They won't support after it.
@@Noone.05 whats wrong with hungary? Its awesome here and we dont have to deal with migrants and brainrot that is the lgbtqledtv prooaganda
How's the white diversity works out for u?
Any action that benefits or supports Russia and its alleged “security concerns”, ambitions and objectives to gain geopolitical advantage should be considered a threat to EU security.
What pompous words.
How exactly does Russia threaten the EU?
@@KukshaR51Russia is responsible for the biggest destabilisation of Europe since ww2. It has brought war back to Europe.
Everyone who knows what Russia is planning and who has at least some understanding of the underlying reasons for their actions knows that their ambitions don't end in Ukraine but actually within the EU.
@@KukshaR51
It’s reality.
“Ruski Mir” is something Russians at home think is what brings greatness to the Motherland .
Ruski Mir to all of Russia’s ex soviet countries means, death, destruction, oppression, deportation, genocide and eradication of their nation’s culture, history, language and right to self determination.
Hope you feel the same way about Israel spying on you for decades
@@KukshaR51Russia wants to return to its old strength and to achieve this Russia is ready to attack its neighboring states. In addition, Russian propaganda made us enemy No. 1 decades ago.
This year has certainly been a record breaker for us, Poles. The largest military parade, and the highest parliamentary elections frequency, after 1989..
EU is a disaster. Stagnant economy. Loosing competition with USA and East Asia. Native European population dying out and getting replaced by immigrants.
@@peter_g546lol. Loosing with USA? Tell me how boeing is going on in comparison with Airbus? 😄
@@user-nm6sp1eg5o Nvidia, Tesla, Space X, Google, Apple, Amazon - top world businesses - how many of those are European? I think zero.
EU Tier system will mark the end of the union.
I may not be a fan of Orban, but their government will never stop me from loving Hungarians. Can't wait to visit again, much love from Poland
That's a stupid perspective, sorry for being blunt.
So knowing they WERE a democracy and they've allowed their government to backslide slowly eroding the rights of their fellow human beings for being gay/trans/etc you still will love them as though it's not their fault they're allowing their democracy to collapse?
I used to love the Russian people back in the 90's, I hoped for them. But they let Putin turn Russia into more of the same instead of keeping the momentum rolling towards a functioning democracy because of some economic hardship. Estonians had to survive incredible poverty after the collapse but they held it together, kept their eyes on the prize and came out of it relatively wealthy with a strong economy and the most advanced government in the world (government, not military).
I just don't understand this oversimplified perspective of yours. So even if/when the Hungarians allow their government to become the next genocidal dictatorship you'll love them and don't think they are responsible for maintaining their democracy?
You must be a European because if you were an American I'd demand you leave my country, surrender your citizenship and never participate in the democratic process again. We have plenty of Republicans that think just like you. "I might not like the leader of my party but I love my fellow Republicans".
Hungarians will never get their former lands back! Greater Hungary is dead.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket we were on opposite sides in every single war since Napoleonic Wars, yet the feeling are still there. Populism is not a genocide, it sucks but it happens in every democratic country on earth.
Please don't compare the Hungarian people to russians, there are nowhere close. An American citizen like you will never understand the bond that our nations forged through centuries of common struggles against foreign occupants. One bad government is just not enough to break it. This bond is older than the US so I get it is culturally incomprehensible for you.
Russians on the other hand were enemies of free people since pretty much the very begging. Being an imperialistic menace is the basic premise of their very culture, there is no russia without muh sphere of influence. They have never advanced beyond Mongolian satrapies.
One more thing, just voting for the ruling party is not supporting it in all its decisions. Many people in eastern Europe vote strategicly for their interests. And interest of the lower classes is fulfilled with Orbans social politics. A lot of these people wete hurt by the change of the central planed economy to the free market. They had their jobs and were as poor as the others. Now, a lot of those jobs didn't survive the conversion to the capitalist system, since they were usless in any other matter than being there for people to work. See, how Hungarians are very pro EU despite this government, they know it's good for them and they support it. It's the same for Orban voters. Fides is fulfilling the interests of a lot of the lower classes of the society who fear that the liberal democratic parties will abandon them.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket hungarian here. We dont care about the rights of gay, trans people. Every human has the same rights. The lgbtq community doesnt ask for equal rights, they ask for extra
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket outsiders will not understand the connection between poland and hungary. In ww2 hungarians helped us a bunch of times despite being on nazi side. Its frankly hard to explain why it exists
I feel like Hungary should be the poster child for why unanimity for so much of what the EU does is highly detrimental
So true. They never thought that any country could behave like like that. There has to be clear and automatic rules for expelling countries that doesn't want to adhere to the rules.
Unanimity is alright, but if a country abuses it like Hungary it should be stripped of veto right by majority decision.
@@ulfosterberg9116 It's bc of Orban. Hungary was decent under Antall, the first non-Communist PM.
Geniune question: What does Hungary do that is so outrageous? I dont wanna argue or criticize anyone, I just genuinely don’t know.
@@circularcircleeHungary opposes a bunch of important EU initiatives, and has actively ignored referendums, elections, and rigged said elections so things go Orbans way. The country voted in favor overwhelming for new rights to protect LGBTQ+ people, and orban simply threw out the vote.
Polish here and I could even understand to a point some internal EU dispute with Hungary, but their external behavior towards Moscow and Ukraine disgusts me. I'm not alone with my feeling, not even PIS followers consider Hungary a "friendly" nation anymore.
No matter, this is not the first time you have betrayed us. Just don't run this way next time.
@@Signorina1552 calm down, im polish and i still like hungary. I dont like how you get along with russia but the centuries old friendship cant die just because of some political differences
@@Signorina1552Im Polish myself so please do not take into account the words of these brainwashed people, they just elected a government that shall doom Poland after all. All the best to Hungary, dont give up your independence like we just did.
@@Signorina1552A Hungarian accusing Poland of betrayal, hilarious. Just don't bend over for Austria this time.😂
@@Signorina1552 So, Hungary goes together with Moscow against Europe but somehow Poland betrayed you? And that's some other time according to you, so when were the previous?
As a Pole, I’m so happy with that. I’m Pro-EU.
So is Orban. But he is also against Hungary being inhabited in 100 years from now by people with less good phenotypes.
Now say goodbye to the Poland that you knew (not that PiS is better than PO from what I understand when it comes to immigration of well known peoples).
@@tomorrowneverdies567
What do you mean when saying "less good phenotypes"?
he means he is racist@@nariman7801
@@nariman7801 Sounds like eugenics to me.
@@nariman7801subsaharans, swarthies
Yes they should move ahead with article 7, even if it won’t pass it’s about sending a message
Seethe
@@Nepetita69696 huh?
DONT DREAM
@@Nepetita69696 I will retire you.
Yes, a clear message, non elected people in the Comission rules over elected people, all bow to Von der Leyen and her decisions
EU needs more like regional centralization and not a continental vertical multi tier system.
Regional centralization.
what is regional centralization?
Obviously sovereign countries. lol@@11th_defender51
EU was all about trading at the beginning, then it started working as a propaganda tube and personal interests
@@11th_defender51that like countries have sovereignty to make their ownnlaw and control their own currency etc unlike current EU.
This may actually be GOOD for Hungary! If Orban cannot block the EU anymore we'll see a decline in his popularity because he will lose his "power", and thus he may get ousted, clearing the path for Hungary to become democratic and prosperous again. Besides, a strong EU means a strong Hungary, and a democratic Hungary means a stronger EU! Off with this far right demagogy that only sets us all back!
What you talking about?The people elected Orban democratically most of the Hungarians not happy how the eu dealing situations with Ukrainian Russia Federation and China.
Eu loosing power continuously and looks like it’s will not stop a while.
@@MrMezgagezamost of hungarians, I wonder how did you ended up with this outcome?
I thought we had some crappy politicians here in the US - Orban makes me feel better about our situation.... slightly
:D scraping the bottom of the barrel for comfort i see xD :D but as stupid and "dicatatory" orban is the guy at least lives in reality. hes an absolut human garbage can yes, but he doesnt make shit up on the go as some US politicians tend to do -->MTG trumpybumby cruisitbaby or that santosfella ....
But this could actually happen here
I don't want to worry you, but Orban is nothing compared to Trump. Let's hope he doesn't come back to power...
A bit better after the Electoral year. Trump may well not be able to hold electoral office, and several states are attempting to remove him from the ballot. Throughout Republican States, the State Court System seems to see that gerrymandering is killing the electorate. We may well end up with majorities in both House and Senate.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 there will be another trump. A clever and sly one. Beware, they haven't given up.
Will Poland become a muslim country in a few decades like Germany, France or the UK because of the election results?
What are you even asking. A country can't just convert to another religion after the elections like that
@@anonimni1288 Well yes if they open their borders
Dobre pytanie!
Z zażenowaniem patrzę na wolną likwidację państw kiedyś cywilizowanych takich jak Francja😅.
Jak można było do tego dopuścić. Żal na to patrzeć! Co zrobiliście że swoją wolnością?😂
W Polsce dopóki jeszcze rządzi prawica jest super bezpiecznie! 👍Mamy wolność słowa, mogę wracać z centrum Krakowa nawet w nocy sama i dalej czuję się bezpiecznie😜.
Ale teraz Tusk i opozycja to zmieni. Ale
Polacy potrafią walczyć 😅 i nie pozwolimy muzułmanom (jeżeli tu wejdą) na samowolę. 🎉😂👍🙌
@@aynarvonfiehlen2587 To będzie tragedia . A niestety głupi Tusk może chcieć to zrobić. Bo Tusk i Lewica to marionetki Brukseli😂. Jestem fanem mądrości, prawdziwej Europy, naszej europejskiej cywilizacji i zawsze kocha Boga. Nie wstydzę się wiary w Boga. Tak ukształtowała mnie prawdziwa Europa👈😜👏😘
@@aynarvonfiehlen2587why care about Woke s. Hitholes like Germany, France and UK?
EU is a disaster. Stagnant economy. Loosing competition with USA and East Asia. Native European population dying out and getting replaced by immigrants.
Not for fake "friends", because "tradition" and "history".
Unanimity must be replaced with qualified majority voting. The EU cannot progress when a single member state can veto every initiative.
Same goes for NATO. Although, I understand why the US wouldn't want that, being by far the biggest military power in NATO.
@@dadthelad So would you accept that your country can be forced into a military alliance and into defending another country by other countries whether your country accepts it or not?
@@riku3716 Are you serious? That is the way how democracy works. It is allways possible to leave unions, Nato and EU. I wonder why Hungary hasn't done it 😂. But you cant do cherry picking. You can't be a part of democratic club if you want to dictate. If Hungary wants to stay in they obey rules like every other country does. If they doesn't they can allways leave and stop that whining. Then they can do what ever they want and wait "glorious future" with russian mir. Good luck with that.
@@perkele2802Yeah, but you don't want a club that everyone leaves. At one point any country might be overruled.
@@riku3716On another note: The countries within themselves are still their own democratic entities. If another bunch of countries can dictate their policies, the claim of loss of democracy would be justified.
IDK the new Slovakian government may not have typical EU-aligned views, but for the time being, (who knows with populist governments), has shown no sign of democratic backsliding, and I doubt they would support Hungary getting away with blackmail.
they should get out following their conscious
Is this video favoured by halfbrains only?
@@nickiseb8910 conscience
Where did you heard about " democratic backsliding"? In your local mainstream media? No wonder you have an ignorant opinion (based on prefabricated slogans).
Shame on you Poland!
That’s a very complex matter. The concepts of federalization of the EU and the union of independent states have been competing for many years. I don't know which concept to support. Each has its pros and cons. I assess the current EU regime as intermediate between these two concepts and probably the only possible one, resulting from a compromise. Without a doubt, federalization enables quick, effective decision-making and implementation. It would transform the EU into an empire. However, given the diversity of mentalities and cultures found in the EU, such a way of making decisions would give rise to a multitude of conflicts that would be difficult to extinguish. There would simply be many dissatisfied with the decisions of the then-federal or quasi-federal government. Decisions made on the basis of a compromise accepted by the general public take longer to make, but they are more durable and therefore may be more effective in the long run. It's a miracle that the EU exists at all. After all, it is an eternal, everyday dilemma of how to reconcile differences. But somehow it works. IMO If we abandon the path of federalization, we can simply adopt certain criteria of co-participation in certain areas, and a country that wants to co-participate in a given field must meet and maintain these criteria. A similar concept is already in force when it comes to the EURO zone or the Schengen area (which includes not only EU members, but some EU members do not). So this idea with tiers seems the only possible between all reasonable solutions, although it could be more tiers. The infograhics at 6:10 is too simplified.
The problem with Orban Hungary is its blatant breach of the rules, regulations and democratic values which Hungary committed to when it joined the EU. By the way, the same applies to Hungarian membership of Nato. Orban is a wannabe Putin look alike and is the latter's Trojan Horse in both organizations. Hungarian membership should be suspended.
EU is a disaster. Stagnant economy. Loosing competition with USA and East Asia. Native European population dying out and getting replaced by immigrants.
@@peter_g546 classic Brexit nonsense.
Multitiered EU is like making part of the countries play pretend instead of being part of EU.
I don't think the non-Schengen and non-Eurozone EU member states are pretend members. A sort of multitiered EU is already a reality, its just a question of how much further to go in this direction. At some point, it will be desirable for all tiers to converge, but there may always be exceptions. That sort of flexibility seems a positive thing to me.
@@fbkintanar Yes, it is already reality, but it shouldn't be pushed further, vast difference between new and old members and pretty strong duopoly of Germany and France is already often quite problematic, I wouldn't want more decisions that would strengthen vision of EU where there is EU core and smaller countries as its colonies.
@@Globox2004 Another way to look at this issue is that whether confederalization proceeds or retreats, the economies of small countries will be dominated by their bigger neighbors. If decision-making is made within a confederal structure, there is more chance of smaller constituent states successfully negotiating to protect their interests. There is no guarantee that increased confederalization will increase democracy and protect smaller constituent states, but it is better to fight those battles in conference rooms rather than at border posts or with threats.
@@fbkintanar You mean countries that are NEUTRAL might not want to be forced into joining the proposed EU army, I know this country wouldn't.
@@ABC1701A I don't actually think forming a unified EU army, with a unified command and everything, is low hanging fruit for a Fiscal+ confederal process (I discussed this prospect in a top level comment). What I suggested might be is near-term feasible is selecting common military systems (platforms, technologies, standards) and procurement. The obvious benefits are lower costs and more fluid integration (within NATO, for example, or when partnering with NATO from outside). The actual armies could stay as they are, integrated with NATO (or not) or change in the light of new realities. A unified army would have to come after a more unified foreign and security policy, and I don't think that is low hanging fruit either. What EU politicians and citizens think, I don't know, and ultimately that is what matters.
No, bad news for Poland 😅
Lol. Streams of bilions of euro are going to Poland again. Because of war in Ukraine and Poland leading inititives.to help Ukraine and strong Polish armed forces Poland is going to be one of the leaders in Europe.
Hungary was a struggling poor country before the E.U. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!
Orban is really nervous lately. He should be. Pretty Boy is getting so fat he is going to Burst,
The difference between Poland and Hungary is that PIS never had majority support. In 2015 it had only 37% of votes and in 2019 42%. The new coalition has 53% of the votes.
Plus, we have foreign media that PIS could not nationalise and transform into its propaganda as Orban did in Hungary.
pis only has votes because of old people that enjoy the higher retirement pensions
It's a coalition of coalitions. Your 53% is spread between 11 parties hahaha good luck. If they even manage to form some kind of government, they will be tossed out within 2 - 4 years, I guarantee it.
Excuse me, we have tons of domestic opposition media, the "foreign" is maybe a TVN (Warner / Discovery) or Axel Springer titles. PIS had majority in parliament, that's how it works but it's true it never had majority of popular support, not to mention the constitutional majority (unlike Fidesz).
Yes, and we have Germany and the EU interfering heavily in our internal affairs for the benefit of the 'new coalition'.
@@guciodestroyer2432 we'd rather have eu and germany interfering to keep poland democratic and in the union than russia, they've already interfered enough in 2015 so they could install a more russia-friendly pseudo-pro-democratic government and look how it destroyed our country, culture and society, never again
Article 7 is specifically designed for situations like this. Hungary, holding out on voting for totally reasonable legislations, just so they can try to elicite bribes from Allies, or enemies for that matter. Probably both. Hungarian government needs a democratic overhaul. If Orban wins this time, he's a dictator, because most of Hungary wants him out.
I think some of Orban's choices are reasonable, the eu are getting what they deserve, but that both sides trying to further screw up each other is not the way. Yes Hungary made multiple questionable decisions but so did the EU. What both are doing is not the way.
the only problem I see with sending money to Ukraine is the high level of corruption. Even the United States has threatened that payments will be suspended if they do not put things in order. Therefore, there is quite a big fear that the money sent will not go where it should.
"because most of Hungary wants him out."
Sure. That's why he has won 4 times 2/3 majority. ROFL
@@peterbalogh8138 A lot of very stupid pple, pple who were given potatoes to vote for Fidesz, voted.
"Most of Hungary wants him out." And this is based on what exactly?
It always has been... the question is: what the f**k it is doing within EU??? Have you not learnt yet???
12 Angry Men... And Hungary is Henry Fonda
Woke EU is bitter
So not funding hungarys descent into authoritarianism is woke?
Can EU reform to "Multi Tiers" EU constitution against the Vote from Hungary and Slowakai ? It is clear, that after Tusk success and Slowaki pro Russia change Hungary and Slowakia will steadily work against major EU targets and decisions. But Hungary and Slowakia on an lower Tier against their currently existing Veto right ? Is this possible ?
Good question, I would imagine that if Hungary have its voting rights removed, the other members can do whatever changes they want and probably set it up in a way that if Hungary doesn't get onboard with what the others have agreed on, Hungary gets kicked out of the EU, without Poland backing Hungary any more, that's a possibility, and as for Slovakia, they are too small and the government position of power is a lot weaker than what the PIS had in Poland, I don't see Slovakia being an issue.
I do know one thing, there is a short window for the EU to act when it comes to Hungary and reforms to the EU, if the EU doesn't resolve the issues with Hungary one way or another and another hostile country in the EU pops up by election change that ends up backing Hungary, the EU will be back to square one.
The EU needs to act and it needs to act fast because it's probably only got a few short years to sort Hungary out and treaty change of the EU are desperately needed.
@@paul1979uk2000 i dont think you realise that we are all on the same voting grounds - no matter how small the country is their vote carries as much weight. Slovakia can in fact do the same what poland was doing before
Slovakia*
If they were to create the new layer of tighter Union using a new treaty (or perhaps a constitution to prevent the unanimity issue from occurring in the future) that would only apply to ratifying countries it wouldn’t need them.
Reform to fit 'the current thing" is always bad idea.
Unanimity is the curse of democracy!
Democracy literally means sometimes left sometimes right parties win elections. In Brussels right now the left is overwhelming. In Hungary and many East European countries the right is popular understandably so after 50 years of far left regime.
Laws are protecting that no side can abuse its power. Well what Brussels is doing now is disregarding law to punish a political opponent by withholding a commercial loan Hungary is paying off…
I think the eu should put a motion that says, vetoe is removed and this motion cant be vetoed, if anyone is against it, the door is there, good luck to hungary without eu money.
Its a nuckear option yes, but that fixes the problem, I prefer a 25 memeber eu that can get its act toguether than 33 member eu that can barely function
Don't forget about all that money EU send to Hungary
EU should get rod of that Trojan horse.
@@jackali5014 The EU has not sent a penny to Hungary, we have not received a penny from the seven-year budget, nor from the post-Covid recovery fund.
But we have to pay back the loan just like the people to whom the money was given.
@@Signorina1552 Fake news
That won't be a 25-member EU, that would be a 5-member EU... Generally european countries, both from the east and from the west don't like illegal threats and false elections. That would literally be a bigger violation of EU rules than anything Hungary has done in the past twenty years.
It does not change a dime in case of EU outcomes, Poland is still going to be against illegal migration quotas as it is the thing that costed the PO elections last time, they ain't going to make that mistake again. In case of policy towards Russia Poland and Hungary were totally opposite as well.
He could also pull the country out
That's rich from Orban, comparing EU to USSR...Orban - .Mr Putin's big friend, (he said on television he is also hoping Trump gets in to the US as President - Trump who is also a big admirer of Putin... ...who is doing his best to wreck the EU and NATO, which has been of inestimable value to Hungary. Who needs friends like that?
Seems a bit like trying to kickout those that don't agree with you
But, because they had stars, all the Star-Belly Sneetches
Would brag, “We’re the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches.”
With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they’d snort
“We’ll have nothing to do with the Plain-Belly sort!”
And, whenever they met some, when they were out walking,
They’d hike right on past them without even talking…
or maybe it seems like viktor orban is heading towards the route of fascism and the EU is wanting to prevent that to uphold truthful fact based democracy
Has nothing to do with "kickout those that don't agree with you"! It's all about democratic values and principles!
I mean it's not about just agreement. It's going against the rule and contract they first agree about when joining the union.
You and everybody like you, always leaves out the topic. You can disagree on a lot of things. The rule of law and EU security aren't among them. If you disagree on these, you're out.
I loved visiting Hungary... BEFORE dictator Orban took power. It was a good nation for Americans to visit. But! The bigotry and violent authoritarianism is what convinced me to avoid it when vacationing in Europe each year. Before you ask, I am white and not Jewish nor Muslim. Given my heritage I fit in. I also learned much of the language over decades of visiting. So! It makes me very happy that Poland is going in a good direction - away from Right-wing Authoritarianism. I wish that Hungary would follow Poland's lead by ditching dictator Orban.
It is lucky that you are not voting in Hungary, but we Hungarians. The important thing is not how you feel here, but how we feel.
@@AlexAlex-zv7fc Thank you for proving my point that even though there are many good people in Hungary who do NOT support Nazism, sadly there are some who are modern day Nazis (like you). That is why it is important for every American tourist to avoid that once great nation. It is better for all business investors and tourists to spend our money in nations that do not support Nazism.
My ancestral homelands of Hungary, Lithuania, England, and Scotland do still have wonderful people living in them. That is why it is heartbreaking to see vile dictators like Orban taking power via election rigging and with the help of today's Nazis - all of whom failed to learn the lessons provided by the "Terror Museum" in downtown Pest. ;)
dictator? im hungarian can you explain me affter i growed up under dictator why orban is? cos nobody get arrested like my grandfater who arested cos the neighbour reported hes not true communist? Do guys have any clue what means dictatorship? im not Polish im not leave there so i cant say they living on dictatorships or no because im not live there. But say orban dictator that agenda what the cnn say to you. hes dictator on your eayes because more ppl voted him like in the west usuly ? There is freedom of speech in hungary if you can right down the president is a dictator and nobody say you nothing. that is disquasting we are not nazis we are not communist we are a free people with free mind and free will we fight our freedom not once we earn our freedom with blood and sacrifise. You guys in the west you dont knows nothing about dictators you guys cant see the diffrences cos never live under one. we in central europe we knows. how manny brits fight against russia before? we fight against them 1848-1849 1914-19 1942-45 1956. You in the west? Napoleon? Learn the history only the Poles who fight against them more then we do and what we get from then nothing. either in 45 west drop poland the soviets and 56 the west left hungary to bleed out. we not forget. unfortunetly now with ukraine will be the same promisses only but the west will turn away from them just metter of time
We're so simple and fragile
I can't see that last thing very long three parties running in a country
🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺❤❤ Hungary is the best country in Europe
I am Polish and I am overwhelmingly satisfied with election quality, turnout and results. Now that first champaigne is drunk, though, the hard work begins.
Tusk is Putin's friend, why are you happy?
"I am overwhelmingly satisfied with election"
Why? It was not a fair election by any means. It would be good to have a new election, now without the state media serving only one side.
Poland is a US vassal
@@williamforsyth6667 bye bye troll
@@williamforsyth6667 what do you mean not a fair election? the only reason our government is now pro eu is because all the young people started caring and went to vote. It is very much legitimate, and pis' reign is over. Their electorate is all old people and their days are numbered
Slovakia might handle this.
I hope Poland does not go crazy woke.
Yeah let's see here. Hungary did not want illegal muslim immigrants in EU let alone it's own borders.
Germany, Sweden and France did. So who exactly had more common sense here, in retrospective?
Now someone is trying to pawn off these ILLEGALS into other countries (hint: that "someone" starts with "Germ").
As a Pole I'm glad to have Hungary's back. I agree with a lot of their views on international politics often more so than our own government's (like showing moderation in support of UA who is historically an enemy of Poland, not an ally and has recently stabbed Poland in the back after receiving insane amount of support at our expense).
You mean Polish government eased support for Ukraine, because the amount of Ukrainian cereals coming through, was destabilising prices in Poland. Poland wasn't stabbed in the back - nice victim complex.
If you think of your neighbours as of 'enemies', you will always get back suspicion instead of cooperation. I don't care that we have done harm to each other in the past, I care about people right now. Working through differences builds strong bonds.
Don't you want to move the imperial mentality further away from Polish borders? Or do you desperately need an enemy to fight, even if it's right at your gates and hurting your own interest?
@@InsoIence Is that the version you were served? Sorry but that's not how it happened. Ukrainian wheat (that does not adhere to any EU food quality regulations, and that's putting it mildly - stuff was unproperly stored and full of cancergenous chemicals) was supposed to go through our country into Africa. That's it. Just passing through.
Instead it got offloaded and sold against the mutual agreement into our market with goverment's quiet consent against the initial deal and public knowledge. That stuff wound up in our bread. Asides being extremely low quality it is produce of huge agricultural holdings owned by foreign companies (USA ones included) and not some poor Ukrainian's hill Billy trying to make ends meet. Which explains how it got here (bribes).
Not only does it saboutage our own farmers who already work hard to make ends meet as our agriculture is more traditional than corporate Behemots in Ukraine, but who knows how many may get cancer because of this unlawful and illegal dump into our markets. This stuff does not meet any food quality standards and had no business being here. Those responsible should be tried and sentenced.
Had the deal been kept we wouldn't be peachy, but far more understanding. It was supposed to be sold elsewhere, so Ukraine gets their money from end buyers, we get our safe and healthy polish food, polish farmers get to make their ends meet another year.
Instead we got sued in world trade organization after showing huge amounts of real, material support starting from taking in literal millions of Ukrainian refugees (supporting of which was on us alone, as EU did not care to provide assistance unlike with Arab migrants in other countries) and then passing them a huge amount of military equipament which unlike UA we do not get for free. What we lost we have to buy back outta our own pocket.
If you cheat and sue (for getting caught) your benefactor, don't expect said benefactor to be pleased with you.
@@mrbuster3106 Well then, name your sources.
@@InsoIenceRT.
@@mrbuster3106a super-quick research on an outdated wikipedia article shows Polish funds got 2.600millions € from EU as loans for Ukrainian housing. Your claim about zero help from EU doesn't hold up. Maybe you provide numbers about how too much help was provided for Arab refugees. Just for the context.
In Ukrainian grain there was Chlorpyrifos. A pesticide which is illegal in EU since 2020. Did you bother about Chlorpyrifos in 2019 and write comments about the potentially crazy number of resulting cancers? It was banned in Germany in 2015 but in Poland it was legal until the EU-law was introduced!
The Polish claims about problems in grain price are totally valid and you don't need to create some fictional universe with holy polish angels and evil muslim-pesticide-EU-lords.
I think Article 7 should be activated. Democracy is 'a must' in the EU, and Hungary's policies are a direct threat to the EU.
The only threat in the eu is the eu 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Don't poop, French
So voting against the will of EU is a crime?
@@markobacic1691 Who is French?
@larsrons7037 EU's a Dictatorship , There's nothing Democratic about it. Hired Hand Runs the show instead of THE PROPER EU PRESIDENT.. Not Von Der Leyon , remember She was Hired as Office Block Commissioner ..
EU should kick Hungary out!
If Hungary cant play by the rules than it should leave the union.
Hungary, Hungary... Do you think we are a bunch of idiots who chanting Orbán's name every day? I personally and a lots of fellow Hungarians have never shared the ideas that Orbán has. Budapest is mainly opposition about 800k-1 million people and in the big cities are a lots of people who will not vote for Orbán.
Good to go Poland, next is establish good economic relations with Baltics🇵🇱🇱🇹🇱🇻🇪🇪, France🇫🇷, Spain🇪🇸, Ireland🇮🇪 and Portugal🇵🇹, Latin America, Western Africa, East and Southeast Asia, because with strong economy bonds, anything can happens
What economic relations Poland will be able to establish now depends on what Germany will allow Poland to do. Unfortunately, Poland's opinion no longer counts.
Please leave Ireland out of your comment, the Irish people despise the Marxist globalist spirit of the EU.
@@zhangzy123 Oh, look - we have a prophet here. New senators and representatives are not even sworn in yet, but you already know how their government will behave. I admire your confidence.
@@FrikInCasualMode He's right, previous Donald Tusk's government placed Poland in position of a German satellite. The only thing, which may make the difference is a very wide coalition, which will try to create the government. I personally don't believe, that government created by 11 different parties will last long.
@@FrikInCasualMode I know how they will behave because they are the same politicians who ruled Poland 8 years ago. Everyone knows what they will do
3:19 it is not a matter of a common position on migration or EU federalization. This position is also shared by many other countries in the region. It is a matter of similar methods of staying in power and achieving goals. And that's all. Populism and politicians' lack of responsibility for their statements have recently become a common problem in all democracies.
We provide just as much support for Ukrain so to make the war balanced ... It is not a blackmail of Orbán, but a fact I believe. And whoever talks again some rich countries interest, he will face with the fury of NGO's. We, in Eastern-Europe pay twice as much for bread or egg etc... and if we talk, we will find ourself in Hungary's situation, this is the real blackmail. No one represents Eastern-Europe, this economic crisis would not have happened if it were not so.
As an Italian, for me what the eu simply fails to understand is countries’ like Poland and Hungary’s histories. Both have suffered from centuries-old foreign occupations and, because of the “divide et impera” strategy often applied by the occupiers, as a response to that individuals naturally sought in national unification (by linguistic, religious and ethnic criteria) the only way through which they could preserve their own personal freedom. Why bruxelles just won’t understand that? I am not saying Orban does not have flaws in his way of governing (I don’t live in Hungary so I can’t know), but in my opinion for ordinary people with such a history of dominations, it’s just more normal to assume that a national government even ruled in the extreme case by just a person in an autocratic way will treat their interests and personal freedoms better. And this is exactly the case with a eu that is increasingly supporting denationalising, vague and socially enraging ideals, which just won’t fit in places like eastern Europe, which has been shaped by traumatic experiences and reactionary uprisings, as I’ve said before. Eu values, most prominently democracy and liberalism, could be even good in the long term, but trying to use them as a trojan horse for policies that are right now giving more privileges to minorities (immigrants, lgbt rights…) in spite of the native european populations and their necessities, sparking controversies everywhere (and this is what has been going in western europe), won’t just give those countries a good impression. So no, up until bruxelles headquarters will stop being a centralized gotha of élites who rule over people giving 0 interest to their priorities, and promote ideals without contextualizing them to each country’s history and social framework (instead of supporting european unity based on a shared heritage and culture, they rather go after woke policies that in the long term could even result in the demise of the same people who gave Europe its name, normalizing workers’ dependance on job places in spite of liberist financial independance and sexual misconducts that aren’t useful for the reiteration of life, while at the same time easing immigration policies for people who are radically different from their heritage’s point of view and won’t integrate), there won’t be any further cooperation between the member countries and even the birth of the United States of Europe.
Ironic of you to talk about freedom and occupiers when Orban is the one creating a hybrid regime and taking power away from the people
All of that long bullshit, but what you need to understand is Poland turned out a real democracy instead of leaning towards far right crap, and Hungary did the opposite.
I don't think you understand 'Eastern European' mentality, as well as you think you do.
As a side note, it's really hard to discuss anything of what you said, because it's all over the place and you could work on your spacing.
EU is extremely strict on human rights, which also includes LBTQ rights.
Thanks for nice words but you send to not get the problem with Poland. PiS is a quasi authoritarian populist party that manipulated where and less educated ppl. They remind me communists from 70s and 80s. Most of normal educated Poles hate them. Yes, HATE them. In big cities among employed 20-50 years old is very hard to find ANY supporters of PiS. They are responsible for Soviet style propaganda, hatred, invigilation, nepotism, scandals... In one word: extremely disgusting creatures. Don't even try to think that PiS style of making politics is what polish ppl want. Most simply hate it
A lot of the informations in the video are fake 😂 Nice
I'm tired with all those pseudo-rankings about "democracy".
Poland wasn't "democratic state", beacause the ruling party wasn't in line with one particular point of view represented by the ranking's creators?
In the same time there were the democratic elections when the opposition won and will be creating the new government.
So - where is that "lack of democracy"?
Faaaaaak! I was so happy until you reminded me about Slovakia... Booo tiers! Stratification never did anyone anything good. Equity = proportional gains and responsibilities is the sole real rule of law.
I am from Poland and this isn't true. Law and Justice party was unfortunately very enthusiastic for EU. Prime minister Morawiecki signed vey stupid FIT For 55. Antiunion party the Confederation got only 7,2%. Just without changes for our Hungarian friend. P.S. for first look Orban is also enthusiastic for EU, not like Mi Hazank Mozgalom
Cry Konfiarz, cry 😂
PiS and farmers PiS supporters loved just money from EU. Not the rules and values.
Wow! Article 7 for different point of view! Is this EU democracy?
EU is not an empire like USSR. There are rules. If you don't like them you can leave, as Britons did. Bruxelles will not send any tank, only their regards.
@@mpelle129if you don't like rules you will get money punish. Geniality
We're not talking about if someone likes apples or oranges more. Hungary is threatening EU security interests and undermining fundamental democratic values. There is no room for different opinions here. This is the baseline to even form an opinion in the first place. If you can't provide that, you don't deserve to be in the club.
I mean you're basically saying being against democracy should be allowed in a democracy...
When did Democracy mean that you can do whatever you want? Do you know what democracy even means?
US are called bicracy having only 2 parties. This is close to Hungary.
Nah. Not really. The US actually has multiple parties that run. Hungary is a dictatorship. Found the Russian troll.
It is bad for everyone.
Politically I don't think Slovakia will side with Hungary. Orban is incredibly far-right policy wise and I don't think Slovakia's social democrats have a strong enough grudge against Ukraine to compromise on that centre-left position.
Both are Putin-friendly populists. Don't be fooled by their stated alignment to right/left, it doesn't matter at all.
Not only that it will be flat stupid. We were occupied by Russia and we know how it is to be under Moscow rule. I hope that it is sufficient reason to do not side with this country anymore. It is in our best interest to have security from Russia and Ukraine winning the war is best for us. If Fico want to became and satellite state of Russia he can speak against help of Ukraine but that will be short lived once Russian tanks knock on our doorstep like in 1968. Occupation is nasty 💩 and even so some people have nice memories of soviet times there is a lot of day dreaming involved in it, hence they forgot the oppression which went with it. Beware in our countries of our region there are still weak minded people which like to be ruled because it is easier to let “big daddy” make decisions for you. I call it immaturity. I can not believe that Fico is again in parliament. Happy to not live in there for 11 years.
@@petervlcko4858Honestly it’s crazy to me how much Hungary seems to have forgotten the Hungarian Revolution. You’d think especially being one of the closer nations to Russia, Hungarians of all people would know Russia winning in Ukraine is very bad
@@MacTac141 russia now not wininig but they didn't lost either but that is bad in the long term because the sanctions now looks likes effecting
@@MacTac141 do not be surprised if politics are paid by Russia. Even previous president of Czechia was involved in some money taking. I here that from one security officer who was at his parties. He did not even hide it just flexed it there. I have been working if Prague previous year as security officer.
It’s sad that the new Slovakian prime minister is good news for Hungary😔🇸🇰🇭🇺
Yes.
@@temstem9895 Do you love Russia too?
I'm not sure I would call Fico pro Hungarian, but politicians would sell their own mothers so I guess nothing is impossible. :D
Slovakians and Hungarians are not friends. There is a lot of bad blood. Even years before Orban you could hear some Hungarians saying that "Slovakia is not a nation and this country should not exist" (sounds familiar *** Putin like***). Even with Fico I don't see that happening. Also its a small nation not so willing to go against the current.
Good news for Hungary, good news for the Hungarian people, only bad news for Orban...
Another great video. Everything was explained so well. And it's especially interesting that you questioned whether the nuclear option should be taken. Still maybe this is the best case scenario. Even if it's never triggered the possibility might stop Orbans worst behavior.
Also, I love the thumbnail
insanity, nuclear over a disagreement, you people are insane... stop eating the narrative, this video is a hit piece on character of a Nation, no respect for their sovereignty, shameless creatures.
Orban has a good approval in Hungary, exactly because such propaganda videos are produced to polish the dismal performance of the leftist EU.
yea but Slovakia has fallen in the pro putin/russian imperialist camp...
yep potentially :)
IF you have different opinion than you're against us. Your mentality right there.
@@sitrueis4007
Fascism is a crime, not an opinion.
anither Putin rat!! Go to Russia !! @@sitrueis4007
@@frankthetank5708 Lol, you don't even know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Slovakian election not about the pro russian views that I do not share.
Support for Magyarska hello from Serbia ❤
Losers stick together, right?
@@Blanka1100 Jew mad?
@MlodyPartyjniak hahahaha okay bro :)
you are a gay jew immigrant who doesnt work just support communism@@Blanka1100
idiocy is sometimes very expensive
Supporting Orban from Poland 🇭🇺🇵🇱💪
I still find it amazing how there is people that aren't hungarian that are so mad over orban being skeptical of how much power the eu holds over his country.
They can leave at any time. And obviously the EU doesn't hold much power over Hungary, otherwise there wouldn't be a problem and Hungary would still be a democracy
@@FarmerSchinken Your argument why hungary is no longer a democracy? And second, the EU was establishes as a trading community, that's why hungary joined in the first place, not to have a united european army, flag and anthem.
@@PerfectStuff What are you talking about - Hungary joined 2004 - TWENTY YEARS AFTER the Maastricht treaty that already outlined the common currency and even common security policy. My argument is that many democracy indices that factor in several aspects put Hungary at the very end of what is called "flawed democracy" and sometimes in the regions of "Hybrid Regimes". Hungary scores WAY WORSE than when Orban took office
@@FarmerSchinken Well common security doesn't mean any plans on creating a single army and having common geopolitical enemies. And you didn't call it a "flawed democracy", you said it wasn't a democracy at all, that's still a big difference, Almost every democracy here in the west is flawed and doesn't support the interests of the common people anymore where most parties are in massive scandals, but when it comes to Hungary it's different because the media keeps bashing it's government becauseit isn't supportive of integration into the deeply undemocratic EU that has people of power that nobody elected inside of it.
@@PerfectStuff It is not my List, and "Hybrid Regime" is no longer considered a democracy. The EU is perfectly democratic compared to Hungary. If you dont want to be a part of it, leave it. Doesn't get any more democratic. If you don't vote for the European Parliament then that is your fault and except maybe Orban, all other Leaders have been elected democratically
There is no reason the EU needs to tolerate a nationalistic autocrat that cozies up on Putler while undermining democratic values. I suggest Hungary leaves the EU and joins Russias free trade area with Belarus. It seems they have much more in common
Dutch might now stand with hungary.got a new fight against dictators in Brussels.
Without EU Hungary till be in 20th century.
yes - Hungary completed all required adjustments twice word by word yet no money. By the way the Covid relief fund frozen is a common commercial loan that was never tied to any political requirement and was opposed by Hungary initially but was later signed in consideration of harder hit countries especially Italy and is being paid back with interest as we speak by
Bullshit. The Orbán government just talks the talk but has not met any requirements, what's more it even feeds lies to You and similar people about it - that You repeat here.
Supporting the EU gets the money. Like telling a bank manager to fuk off and then asking for 10 billion and the bank manager tells you to fuk off. Hungary needs to shit or get off the toilet
This Hungary issue wraps up all the problems with the current EU in a nice neat package. Honestly, yeah Hungary has slipped back into being no longer a real democracy, but that’s small potatoes when looked at from an EU level. This problem shows the fatal flaw of vetoes, blackmailing, once a country is within the EU the levers being totally inadequate, the problem with the EU never being taken seriously as a foreign relations player beyond economic briefs as it can’t speak with a single voice with a democratic mandate at the executive/hos level.
Putting aside the wisdom of allowing countries so recently becoming democracies into the eu club, it also highlights the issue of the EU being viewed as an atm that some countries will do the bare minimum to qualify for the financial handouts but don’t really believe in the project.
Unfortunately, we have simultaneously recently seen the two EU heavyweights acting in obviously nationalistic behaviour with energy reforms and using eu funds and the side of me that looks at the EU as a German exercise to have incredible influence within Europe after ww2 despite losing it and France to exercise amplified power even after the end of colonialism & loss of the age of empires and I think - gods, is it even worth the trouble.
Thing is, I do believe there is a way to structure the EU so that it is worthwhile but it is currently so far away at the moment. Yeah, Hungary is a flashing warning light the current setup isn’t fit for purpose but (& I do mean this with respect) it’s only Hungary and not as big a deal as it would be if bigger countries behaved that way.
As this channel has pointed out in videos before, the eu needs reformed for this and many reasons. If its issuing debt, it needs a take that final step and become some type of nation - likely a federal setup with very powerful states. Vetoes obviously need thrown out for most things, it needs a directly elected head of state that can speak with a democratic mandate - especially on foreign policy issues because look at the current mess with the Israeli response. I hope Hungary finds its way back, and Poland is too important to have flirting with disaster but both issues are just symptoms of the larger problem - EU is desperate need of a full rethink and rebuild. It’s either some type of nation or it’s a UN/G7 group of countries setup, in which case its powers need handed back to nations. I do wish Hungarians and the eu all the best as they work this, it is possible.
You get the point. The EU is a largely incomplete project. And it's even dangerous to maintain the current status quo.
First of all Europe lacks the cultural premises for further integration. It needs to be established a best common knowledge between nation states through school programs and a sort of "European broadcasting TV network", for examples. Knowledge will bring mutual trust.
Then we need the political will of the national governments to give power to a federal govt. I'm primarily talk about fiscal, defence and foreign polices.
About fiscal policy the main obstacles are the "frugal" countries (like Netherland or Sweden) actually quite Eurosceptic. And secondly the unreliability of some med countries like Italy. But it's an essential reform otherwise the € in the long run is unsustainable (except for Germany that largely benefits from it) and we will see other sovereign debt crisis.
About foreign and defence policies: all governments have different interests so it is necessary a strong ability to marry all the issues.
It's a very hard and long way, with no certainties. I perfectly agree with you that Hungary is not the real problem. In comparison to this "elephant in the room" it's only a pretext to cover the unwillingness of the other member states to take a federal direction.
liberum veto never is a good idea. Poland got partitionet becouse of it. One(propbly bought) veto could destroy whole goverment work in a minute. (in poland we had elective monarchy for a while, where nobility where voting for stuff, and king mostly looked pretty)
Hungary is a landlocked, agrarian, coservative country. What do you expect them to vote ? Justin Trudeau alikes ?
Are you talking about the Polish-Lithuaniam Commonwealth right? I read how an external power could influence and weaken the Commonwealth simply with che purchase of some votes. There is a similarity with what happens in the European Council. That should be a lesson. @@Dragoniiia
@@mpelle129 yep exactly! It was very easy to bribe some poorer nobilty, and it crippled Commonwealth abilty to do basically anything
Confederation is not PIS' coalition partner, inaccurate information
Thanks for this information
As a Hungarian, I’m glad Poland got a new pro-EU leader and until we have one as well, we don’t deserve an EU vote to be honest
as a Polish person, I wish Hungary all the best, stay strong 🇵🇱🫂🇭🇺
Then vote for anyone else than Orban. It can be done - we have just proven that.
as a Pole I'm sad that democracy has failed in Poland .I think that EU funds have turned a tide.However the ruling party PIS was sending money where people voted for them .People are crying that now Germans will buy Polish diary factory !! .Two different reality and worlds just unbelievable that we can be German hostage .I 'm curious how do people react when they will hear in television all these stealings ,corruption,nepotism .Probably they will not believe and tell that opposition has involved them ..
@@FrikInCasualMode I wish it were that easy
Szerintem se jó orbán, de nem kéne egy liberális elnök sem, például mindenki szidja orbánt de a bal oldal is teljesen inkompetens
Great summary. Without unnecessary „bothsideism”, when Hungary and our gone (thankfully) Polish goverment where clearly breaching fundamental EU values.
Subscribed to the channel. :)
I always wondering about, how naive the average misinformed voters in the EU. Fundamental EU values.. you must be watching too much mainstream news.
So what ?
@@dodgedemonsrtx Looks like there are two fundamental EU values 1, corruption 2, Hyporrisy. But you can be very proud of yourselves..
Look at this hypocrites 😂.
Isn’t Slovakia much too small to play the same role?
first of all 194 plus 18 equals 202, and 2ndly
far-right party Konfederacja is closer to the opposition and "Koalicja Obywatelska" than it is to the ruling party "Prawo i Sprawiedliwość",
as it has been stated many times during the elections campaign by its leaders.
It might be hard to explain to the foreigners, but polish political scene is bit more complex than simple right wing-left wing dichotomy.
members of Konfederacja even made backstage deal with top management of Koalicja Obywatelska to prevent this type of coalition,
so PiS at the moment have no way of achieving the missing 29 votes
Additionally, PiS party has a well documented habit of "eating" its coalition partners. It happened before to "Self-Defence" party and "Center Agreement" when they created coalition with PiS years ago. By now only absolute desperates will make an alliance with them.
Konfederacja being close to KO? lol no way
@@jackowsky86
Of course, it is! Konfa consistently voted in the Sejm as ko. Bosak himself talked about it in his interviews. Konfa even voted against lustration and decommunization on May 26 of this year.
@@BB-yj2yustop spouting nonsense- konfederacja is not ‘far right’….
@@ipodman1910 Where did I say that konfa is far-right???
All konfa's votes are available on the SejmRP website.
How did konfa vote on the Parliamentary Acts No.102 and 104 on May 26, 2023?
I'm old enough to remember the days when it was Denmark and Greece who were the "troublemakers" of the EU: Denmark for refusing to join various aspects of European integration/harmonization, and Greece for being extremely sloppy with their accounting (crazy to think that their ancestors invented math!).
But that was back in the "good old days".
Nowadays, we have new troublemakers: Hungary and Poland (and possibly Slovakia?) for disregarding the values expressed in the Copenhagen Criteria, most notably the non-negotioable concept of separation of powers (checks and balances). Essentially, they have been refusing to honour the accession treaties that they themselves chose to sign in order to join the EU (and to get free money). And now that they're in, they can never be kicked out.
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The polish government has changed, it is no longer a troublemaker.
The free money is fake as fuck
most of Polish companies were anihilated by introduction of EU
So no Poland pays more than it gets (Its just not official type of payment)
we changed. I am polish and we all went and voted against pis. The current government and coalition is led by Donald Tusk which was once a EU president.
Cohesions funds are not free money. Every EU members pays in it's share and getting funds back. Hungary has paid in it's share and now is not getting it's money back according to the EU fundamental agreements. Make no mistake, this money is Hungary's earned money. For making it's market available for foreign companies to make profits, to compensate for the lack of competitiveness in various areas against western companies that have decades of advance, etc. The accusations are always very vague, avoiding to be clearly named. If it would, than we could measure how every country is aligning to it. But this is always avoided, making me to believe that these are nothing more, but political games for group interests, power and influence within the EU. By blocking these funds, the EU is the one who's not honoring the fundamental agreements of the organization. Don't forget, mainstream media is sponsored by interest groups and it is thinking for you, telling you what to believe.
@@mmoside57now they are euro puppet
GO HUNGARY!!!!
Hungary remains an important EU member?! What is the point of Hungary? In the EU and NATO? they seem more aligned with Moscow, Getting billions from the EU and protection from NATO, EU and NATO must change the rules. Let them get help from Russia.
Well eu and nato has no use for Hungary they only bring problems but they cant kick them out but since poland wint protect them anymore next time they try to pull crap like making a small hungary in romania it will send them to the judje again and end it once it for all so all is left to make a rule to kick out hungary from eu and nato now its just a waiting game
The primary problem with a tiered EU as the current plans propose, is that member states have to pay the same, regardless of how integrated they are in the EU. This not only sets the precedent for unequal and undemocratic distribution of wealth, but also for the EU to transition from a trade union, to a full blown Empire, thereby losing its greatest strengths and gaining enough weaknesses to doom Europe to a future of zero democracies for hundreds of years. Not exactly a preferred outcome. The EU already have problems fully recognizing the realities of its edge members (such as Scandinavia and our welfare systems, as well as why they're critical), so further isolating us will not make us want more of the EU. It would more likely make us less interested in participating with trade within Europe and instead look for international trading partners who don't try to take away critical infrastructure, which will harm the EU on both the short and the long term, making more countries outside the core of that tier, reconsider their trading partners and allies. Put in other words, it could make countries like Hungary and Slovakia decide to leave the EU and NATO, in favor of a trade agreement and alliance with Russia and China. Not exactly a preferred outcome for Europe.
I know it sounds weird in most Europeans ears when I say that welfare is critical infrastructure, but there's a very, very good reason for that. Our wealth is completely and entirely dependent on the continuation of the welfare state. Why? because tax paid education, health and financial compensation to avoid extreme poverty, is essential for ensuring a well educated and healthy population, which in turn is essential for making higher quality products and services, which itself is required to earn the revenue needed for even paying the membership fees to the EU AND investing more in the military, without moving the entire country from a first world nation to a third world nation economically.
But can't we just make up for it in numbers, aka have more people to take on the work required to keep making the same amount of money, regardless of education? No. The Scandinavian populations aren't that big, so we can't just make up for it in sheer numbers. The population of Germany alone is almost 4 times the total population of Scandinavia. Sweden alone have a population of 10,42 million people, which is a little less than the combined population of Denmark and Norway. Bear in mind that that is despite Denmark already being tightly populated. But since Norway isn't a full member of the EU and thus doesn't pay the same rates as Sweden and Denmark, the true population comparison would be Sweden and Denmark vs. Germany or another large European population, like France. This gives us the results that the population of Germany is more than 5 times the population of Sweden and Denmark combined. And the population of France is more than 4 times, Italy is about 3,6 times, Spain is just shy of 3 times and Poland is a bit more than double the combined population of Sweden and Denmark. We can't just make up for it in sheer numbers, as we, quite simply, does not have the numbers advantage
Totally agree except NATO is nothing to do with the EU
It makes more sense for europe to just unify
Oh wait, no! - it’s definitely better having 30 different systems & currencies all based on economies that are unable to sustain themselves !
I’m sure everybody will just continue respecting each other’s national interests, as they’ve always done :)
This land don't belang in the EU !
Cool video. You can make a video called "If Romania and the Republic of Moldova unite, how would the EU help." For more details you can see Romania and Moldova United? Europe's Newest Nation, and and to prevent a similar scenario as West and East Germany, check and Why Germany is Still Divided 30 Years Later, bouth video on TLDR News EU.
No it is Good News for Hungary. It gives hope for democratic forces in Hungary
Whatever the pseudo-media say - Poland and Hungary are the strongest alliance in the world. F... EU!
Remember, Orban is not right, but he will be right!
So Polish elections are not bad news for Hungary. What a shame.
Freedom house ohh another NGO free from bias with absoulty honest and accurate verdicts, right ?
I love it when these NGOs lable whatever doesnt suit the narrative as bad.
confederation never said that it will join any coaltion with both sides thats a mistake in video