Cochran should've played the odds with the rocks. Only him and Jim would've picked rocks along with the entire Uplou tribe minus Rick. That would give Cochran a 14% chance to pick the purple rock and a 72% chance that Savaii comes out on the right side of the rock draw to take control of the game.
@@lastdayonearthmysteryman4849 Yes. The numbers were more important than anything else. Ozzy had just volunteered to go to Redemption Island the previous round to give Savaii a chance at the merge.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Cochran (and Dawn) should have told Ozzy to do this. I think he would have if he knew that Cochran was that skittish about drawing a rock. After all, Ozzy had just volunteered to get voted out and go to Redemption Island to take out Christine to give Savaii the best chance at the merge.
@@bigbuffguy9589 I can see your logic! Cochran also could’ve been a reverse spy and at tribal council tells Ozzy it Keith! Cochran was not very good. It amazing he goes on the play the second ever perfect game.
I'm not even an Ozzy fan, but man, I do feel for him when Cochran flipped. To take the risk of getting voted out and competing on redemption island so you can eliminate a member of the opposing tribe to give your tribe a shot at the merge just for someone to flip on you anyways and make the whole risk useless is brutal
Cochran | Jelinsky ✅️Wants to become a legend✅️ ✅️Called by his last name✅️ ✅️Makes some massive mistakes leading to his downfall✅️ ✅️Plays a perfect game on 2nd season❓️ Also I love those little jokes on thumbnails recently
The only time survivor brought back a 1st boot was Fran and they brought her back to beef with a player she had beef with. So unless jelisky starts giving someone a hard time I won't count on it
South Pacific was one of the first seasons of survivor I ever saw and even I knew what would happen to Cochran after he flipped on his tribe. It's good he learned from the experience and he greatly improved the next time he played.
It can't be overstated just how terrible a move it was for Cochran to flip. He went from having a small chance to win (he was in the final three plans of a lot of his original tribe members) to zero percent and ended up getting voted out in eighth place, which is worse than if he had just taken his chances with the rock draw (unless he drew the rock, of course). To his credit, he learned from that mistake and played a very good game in Caramoan. But it was still an all-time bad move.
Ozzy’s tribe, specifically Jim, woulda wanted to make big flashy moves and not a Pagonging like Coach’s tribe did. Cochran was almost assuredly going to the final 3, even if it was only as a goat
My anaylsis is that the original tribe failed to make Cochran loyal to that tribe while also investing extreme powers into him. They just assumed that he would be loyal despite failing to make any connections on the tribe whatsoever it seems outside of his lasting distaste for Ozzy.
@@OnceUponAnIslandOh say just a little question, will you talk about Cochran’s gameplay in the second fans be favorites season? I believe he did a lot better there.
Cochran’s not my favorite player but I respect his game believe it or not (even though his flip is not sensible). The fact his second time playing was flawless is something to look upon I mean what a leap from flipper to perfect gamer.
Cochran.... One of my least favorite players. I do think he's probably a good person and I'm misjudging him. I do think he plays a great game winning game in Caramoan too. Idk I just feel like he has a huge ego, feeling like he DESERVES to succeed due to him being the scrawny, nerdy guy with glasses. This might just be me seeing similarities between me and him tho. Good video as always Once Upon an Island! ❤
Not gonna lie: if i was him (obviously only going off by what we've seen aired) i'd probably done the same thing he did. His alliance and tribemates were awful people, even before the flip. He might have killed his chances, but he also killed theirs. So i think it was an overall win. Granted, we got religious-cult-Coach due to that, so there is that. That cast overall had quite a lot of unpleasant people.
Granted, we don't know what all he did post-merge, but it didn't even look like he was trying to find the bottom feeders of the cult. Yea it was a bad move, but if you are being pagonged, you gotta hammer home at every moment, that 3 of the cult wont be making final 3. Yea they were steadfast, but they had a lot of cracks that coulda been looked into.
Hear me out: Cochran had no chance of winning that season. By flipping he got himself a huge chunk of the edit and invited back to play again. Galaxy brain
Everyone acting like Cochrans flip was incredibly illogical did not watch the show… these people were not nice to him and they made it SO obvious he was on the bottom, I always saw it as very satisfying that he flips personally. Of course it does not end up working out for him but encouraging players to go down with the ship of an alliance that doesn’t care about them is QUESTIONABLE at best.
Cochran's flip was ill timed. He needed to stay with Savaii for that first vote, see how things developed, and then worked with Upolu. He jumped in head first emotionally. The Savaii alliance had 4 opportunities to vote him out and kept him every time.
@@OnceUponAnIsland was is optimal? No, but so few players make optimal moves. That’s why you can at least give him SOME credit because he recognized he was on the bottom and at least tried something to better his position. New era would be full players who would make the “correct” move in ur eyes but that is LAME
This, his flip reminded me of Lill in PI where she (and Skinny Ryan) were essentially bullied out of the Drake tribe (despite Osten literally wanting to quit as far back as day 4-5), and Savage made the mistake of not making her feel, at minimum welcomed back when she returned. She made the emotional decision to flip on Savage, and essentially gave Fairplay the opening to start taking control
It wasn't logical because Cochran went from a small chance to win to literally zero percent. It also didn't improve his chances of making it to Final Tribal Council and actually made it nearly guaranteed that he wouldn't.
I feel John Cochran was a spoiled brat because the production team and Jeff Probst loved the fact that he wanted to make himself sound like an elitist or superior player to the audience by calling him by his last name which is rather very annoying and arrogant, when there was not another castaway named John on Season 23. Despite the rock draw tiebreaker being scary, John Cochran should have voted with Savaii on the revote because I think the rock draw at the first post-merge Tribal Council this season would have been a better solution and more exciting.
Man, I just can't bring myself to like South Pacific at all. Just about everything about it is pure nastiness. Cochran being bullied nonstop on his tribe, the manipulation of Brandon, and we don't even need to talk about Coach's cult. Sure, there's objectively worse seasons, but South Pacific just isn't fun to watch.
It bothers me so much that the same people who defend Cochran for his flip are the same people who criticize Kass. It was an awful move. He should have at least done it for Ozzy, who saved his ass. Or at the very least, told Ozzy he wouldn't draw a rock and given him the option to play the idol on him, or give him the immunity necklace. Odds were that Cochran was in the final 3 if he stayed with Savaii. Ozzy and Keith were big meat shields and Upolu liked Cochran. They'd likely have voted for him in the end if he didn't sit next to Ozzy.
Cochran should've played the odds with the rocks. Only him and Jim would've picked rocks along with the entire Uplou tribe minus Rick. That would give Cochran a 14% chance to pick the purple rock and a 72% chance that Savaii comes out on the right side of the rock draw to take control of the game.
Better yet, Ozzy plays the idol for Cochran and not Whitney and the flip never happens. (If Cochran is being truthful with his reasoning.)
@@OnceUponAnIslandBut do you think Ozzy would have played it for Cochran since he was targeting him the whole time!
@@lastdayonearthmysteryman4849 Yes. The numbers were more important than anything else. Ozzy had just volunteered to go to Redemption Island the previous round to give Savaii a chance at the merge.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Cochran (and Dawn) should have told Ozzy to do this. I think he would have if he knew that Cochran was that skittish about drawing a rock. After all, Ozzy had just volunteered to get voted out and go to Redemption Island to take out Christine to give Savaii the best chance at the merge.
@@bigbuffguy9589 I can see your logic! Cochran also could’ve been a reverse spy and at tribal council tells Ozzy it Keith! Cochran was not very good. It amazing he goes on the play the second ever perfect game.
If you were to tell me directly after watching South Pacific that Cochran would come back and win and play a perfect game, I wouldn't believe you.
I'm not even an Ozzy fan, but man, I do feel for him when Cochran flipped. To take the risk of getting voted out and competing on redemption island so you can eliminate a member of the opposing tribe to give your tribe a shot at the merge just for someone to flip on you anyways and make the whole risk useless is brutal
I missed out on Ozzy in his first three season so I only Games Charges Ozzy live! So I seen the old broke down Ozzy!
Cochran | Jelinsky
✅️Wants to become a legend✅️
✅️Called by his last name✅️
✅️Makes some massive mistakes leading to his downfall✅️
✅️Plays a perfect game on 2nd season❓️
Also I love those little jokes on thumbnails recently
Uh last I checked 2nd means seventh in Jelinsky's book
Can’t wait for him to comeback in Survivor 50 and dominate with the final three being him, Hannah with her vape pen and Phillip
As crazy as that sounds, it could actually happen. Nobody would target him because of his meme status. The only thing that needs to change is him.
The only time survivor brought back a 1st boot was Fran and they brought her back to beef with a player she had beef with. So unless jelisky starts giving someone a hard time I won't count on it
That is if David comes back but how could they call him back after having so much poor execution in 46
when Coach drew the line in the sand when talking to Cochran…..that was GOLD!
If we had a four quadrant graph for the resolution section, Cochran would be smack dab in the middle, where the x and y axis intersects.
I am down for someone to make a graph of every player covered in a story video. That would be epic to see.
South Pacific was one of the first seasons of survivor I ever saw and even I knew what would happen to Cochran after he flipped on his tribe. It's good he learned from the experience and he greatly improved the next time he played.
This is the male version of Shii-Ann in Thailand. Doing so well in pre-merge. And having an instant downfall in post merge.
Dude. I gotta say, best opening clip of any video I’ve seen of yours. And I watch most of them.
It can't be overstated just how terrible a move it was for Cochran to flip. He went from having a small chance to win (he was in the final three plans of a lot of his original tribe members) to zero percent and ended up getting voted out in eighth place, which is worse than if he had just taken his chances with the rock draw (unless he drew the rock, of course). To his credit, he learned from that mistake and played a very good game in Caramoan. But it was still an all-time bad move.
I couldn’t agree more
Ozzy’s tribe, specifically Jim, woulda wanted to make big flashy moves and not a Pagonging like Coach’s tribe did. Cochran was almost assuredly going to the final 3, even if it was only as a goat
Malcolm the ozzy 2.0 and cochran the fishback 2.0 shaped how the producers casted for the next 10 seasons
...It's because they don't have Google on the island. He at least had that info memorized.
My anaylsis is that the original tribe failed to make Cochran loyal to that tribe while also investing extreme powers into him. They just assumed that he would be loyal despite failing to make any connections on the tribe whatsoever it seems outside of his lasting distaste for Ozzy.
I really like Cochran but man this was a dumb flip. I’m glad he did better in the 2nd fans vs favorites where he got to win.
Yeah, it felt very emotional and not at all well thought out. Good for Coach though.
@@OnceUponAnIslandOh say just a little question, will you talk about Cochran’s gameplay in the second fans be favorites season? I believe he did a lot better there.
When we get to Caramoan.
@@nicolasaguilar8856 Since Cochran is the winner of season 26 his story video for Caramoan is a 100% lock
I assume his strategic and character amounts balanced was intentional to the tale of two games he plays, I appreciate the detail
The final several has me cracking up 😂
love the Jelenski shoutout
Definitely had a ego problem but he was socially awkward enough to be rootable until the merge where he screws his game by flipping
Cochran’s not my favorite player but I respect his game believe it or not (even though his flip is not sensible). The fact his second time playing was flawless is something to look upon I mean what a leap from flipper to perfect gamer.
He may have killed Savaii, but look at him now after he won S26. So somewhat argues, he gets the last laugh.
While most of the vote offs are predictable, South Pacific's story is so good
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Is this the first intro without the winner as a main character, side kick, comic relief or villain?
Go back and check.
Seasons 4,10,11, and 20 (alongside 23) so far
Nice, I had forgotten which seasons so far. Did Erika make it into those roles for 41?
@@OnceUponAnIsland No, neither did Gabler (I think)
Cochran....
One of my least favorite players. I do think he's probably a good person and I'm misjudging him. I do think he plays a great game winning game in Caramoan too. Idk I just feel like he has a huge ego, feeling like he DESERVES to succeed due to him being the scrawny, nerdy guy with glasses.
This might just be me seeing similarities between me and him tho. Good video as always Once Upon an Island! ❤
Not gonna lie: if i was him (obviously only going off by what we've seen aired) i'd probably done the same thing he did. His alliance and tribemates were awful people, even before the flip. He might have killed his chances, but he also killed theirs. So i think it was an overall win. Granted, we got religious-cult-Coach due to that, so there is that. That cast overall had quite a lot of unpleasant people.
Granted, we don't know what all he did post-merge, but it didn't even look like he was trying to find the bottom feeders of the cult. Yea it was a bad move, but if you are being pagonged, you gotta hammer home at every moment, that 3 of the cult wont be making final 3. Yea they were steadfast, but they had a lot of cracks that coulda been looked into.
Hear me out: Cochran had no chance of winning that season. By flipping he got himself a huge chunk of the edit and invited back to play again. Galaxy brain
doesnt help that he was in the cult season I was rooting for him like hell in his second playthrough
Now do Cochran in Caramoan
When we get to Caramoan.
@@OnceUponAnIsland alright
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Everyone acting like Cochrans flip was incredibly illogical did not watch the show… these people were not nice to him and they made it SO obvious he was on the bottom, I always saw it as very satisfying that he flips personally. Of course it does not end up working out for him but encouraging players to go down with the ship of an alliance that doesn’t care about them is QUESTIONABLE at best.
Cochran's flip was ill timed. He needed to stay with Savaii for that first vote, see how things developed, and then worked with Upolu. He jumped in head first emotionally. The Savaii alliance had 4 opportunities to vote him out and kept him every time.
@@OnceUponAnIsland was is optimal? No, but so few players make optimal moves. That’s why you can at least give him SOME credit because he recognized he was on the bottom and at least tried something to better his position. New era would be full players who would make the “correct” move in ur eyes but that is LAME
This, his flip reminded me of Lill in PI where she (and Skinny Ryan) were essentially bullied out of the Drake tribe (despite Osten literally wanting to quit as far back as day 4-5), and Savage made the mistake of not making her feel, at minimum welcomed back when she returned. She made the emotional decision to flip on Savage, and essentially gave Fairplay the opening to start taking control
Lil's flip on Savage was amazing, especially when she repeated back to him what he said to her before she was voted off.
It wasn't logical because Cochran went from a small chance to win to literally zero percent. It also didn't improve his chances of making it to Final Tribal Council and actually made it nearly guaranteed that he wouldn't.
I feel John Cochran was a spoiled brat because the production team and Jeff Probst loved the fact that he wanted to make himself sound like an elitist or superior player to the audience by calling him by his last name which is rather very annoying and arrogant, when there was not another castaway named John on Season 23. Despite the rock draw tiebreaker being scary, John Cochran should have voted with Savaii on the revote because I think the rock draw at the first post-merge Tribal Council this season would have been a better solution and more exciting.
Man, I just can't bring myself to like South Pacific at all. Just about everything about it is pure nastiness. Cochran being bullied nonstop on his tribe, the manipulation of Brandon, and we don't even need to talk about Coach's cult. Sure, there's objectively worse seasons, but South Pacific just isn't fun to watch.
It bothers me so much that the same people who defend Cochran for his flip are the same people who criticize Kass. It was an awful move. He should have at least done it for Ozzy, who saved his ass. Or at the very least, told Ozzy he wouldn't draw a rock and given him the option to play the idol on him, or give him the immunity necklace. Odds were that Cochran was in the final 3 if he stayed with Savaii. Ozzy and Keith were big meat shields and Upolu liked Cochran. They'd likely have voted for him in the end if he didn't sit next to Ozzy.