Here in Finland all electric heating is actually quite usual. 15cm or more insulation snd triple glased windows, no problem even with -20C weather. Electric radiators under the windows, electric floor heating in bathroom, electric boiler with around 100 liters per person, electric stove and electric sauna. All from 3x25A supply. No problem. Ground loop heatpump with under floor heating or air to air heatpumps are also good low maintenance options. Sealing heaters have been found to be mostly a waste of energy.
We heavily insulated our house when we built it 16 years ago. Have never used the underfloor heating and this year I have only lit the wood burner 6 times. Good luck with it all.
This project sounds amazing guys! Really interesting to hear laws etc with the trend of ‘tiny homes’ being self built at home. I look forward to your journey
Hope this may be of interest to you both, We live in a converted Mill and have installed an electric modulating combi from a Spanish company called Gaberon, It can be wired from 9 to 15 Kw and do not need a flue. It supplies both hot water and central heating if you wish. I believe that there are several companies who now manufacture similar boilers, and if this is of interest please feel free to contact me for any further information, ( cost of the boiler was approx £ 2200 ) 😃
We've had air-to-air heat pumps for over a decade here in the South West. Actually usually never been more expensive than gas and is very controllable. We've tried infrared panels, which are good but we found difficult to control, in that the control systems are expensive and a bit first generation. Our current project is a 'Ford box in County Cork' (Google will show you what they are!), we're going electric underfloor heating, max breathable insulation and ripping out the solid fuel burner. I absolutely love wood burners but you can buy a lot of electricity for the money it costs for the installation and the Carbon Monoxide worries/management. Also, don't you think they will take up a lot of floor space? You can't just stick a wood burner in an existing fireplace in a caravan, you are going to need a bit of space, space that you could use for some more tools, computer equipment, etc. Just a thought... 😉 By the way, I absolutely love the channel. You guys are an absolute inspiration, please keep up the great work.
Tim, I hope your planner is watching this vlog, they will see you know your game and the rules, hopefully it can be an educational video for others planning such an enterprise. Looking forward to the build, knowing your standards it will be a masterpiece.
Am so looking forward to watching the upcoming episodes of the build , given what you did to the house and the amazing job you did on the workshop ( that you barely got any use out of LOL ) this is going to be fabulous, absolutely cannot wait , good luck to the both of you , and the kids , the chickens, the pigs etc etc
So happy the build is moving forward I.e they have been made and delivered if you need any thing like brackets or anything fabricobled give me a shout look forward to seeing the build take shape
Great to hear about all the legal aspects of this, did realise how complicated it could be, one of my friends son is doing a old steel barn conversion, 4 bed but the rooms will be huge, they have installed an underground heat pump system, walls are timber around the existing steel work, with insulation of 300mm thick, it's going to look great when finished, can't wait to see yours come to life.👍
We went all electric with our 1838 house renovation. A/C - basically Air source heat pumps. With Solar power it’s cheaper than Oil and we are very pleased that we stay hot / keep cool / dehumidifier function is great too
This is a wonderful project that you have here and it will be great to follow. Especially when we have been following you for a long time and we know the quality of your achievements.
A new junior school in Worcester had (expensive initially) ground source heat pumps but have a look at their air con units, like big chimneys enclosing branches that had water dribbling through with low power fans blowing fresh air down to rooms, cheap to buy and run and effective
“Remember the budget is the budget so not going for renewables” that’s is so true, and entirely to do with price, not will or want. They are over double in most ways especially with the FITs change.
When I first say this video I thought that you said the 'mobile' home would take 3 years to build! Really glad to hear later on that you were referring to the main home! Can't wait to see you building both/ Take care, George
thanks for answering. well, seems a daunting, but exciting task. to build a temp home, then build or remodel the barn. you must love a challenge. as long as you have the money and the skills, which you do have. should e a fun ride.. remember to keep positive through it.
this was an interesting one. nice to hear what the planning permission requirements are on this. and Tim, you might seriously consider a heat-pump. it'll run on electricity anyway but it'll be a LOT cheaper than electric heaters...we've had our HP (air-to-heat) for a few years now and it's running beautifully.
@@nickevans7049 i've had one for coming up to 4 years now and I can tell you: they DO work 😉 I will never heat my house with anything else...even if we decide to move some day
This sounds huge and wonderful. I wish you guys all the very best in this endeavour. If it's anything like what you did with the house it's going to be awesome 😀👍👍
Really interesting and quite funny how people get creative around the rules. I'm thinking of a similar caravan at my place to give me a bit more room to exist so this was very good to hear about. Thanks for sharing!
Looking forward to seeing the build! I was just going to suggest an Air BnB but sounds like you’ve already considered it! I’m sure you would get booked up with subscribers who want a first hand nosy at RC HQ
Great channel guys, and a fab journey you are on. Please at the very least get 'pre-planning advice', it's worth it before spending too much money on the chassis/cabin. Likewise the proposed house/farm house and any change of use to residential for land/outbuildings. The planning system is fraught with dangers due to assumptions and self-interpretations. Wishing you well on your journey, but be prepared for the planning quagmire.
All sounds very sensible, and good choice with the electric heating. To save your gas standing charge, you can easily find an electric water heater also. Looking forward to seeing it!
Sure you’ll be looking at all options for the Barn Conversion, but now you’ve started on your Lime travels, I’d highly recommend looking into lime-Crete floors (with our without UFH).. and lime/fibre insulated walls. Will make for a very traditional and cosey home and really sympathetic conversion of the barns.
Don't really want to think about it but what if you don't get planning permission for the main house? I always thought agricultural land to residential was a costly nightmare in very many situations. Hoping you don't experience this as you do seem to have laid a lot on the table already in both financial and emotional terms. I wish you the very-best of course and hope it goes as smoothly as possible for you all.
Yep I’ve experienced planning nightmares like this sometimes it’s goes ok but mostly it’s a total pain if there’s not a dwelling already, hope it goes ok
I was wondering this while watching. It looks like barns can be converted without full planning permission under Class Q of permitted development rights as long as it's part of a farm, which I suspect is why they've got the pigs so quickly. So even if they are unable to secure full planning permission, they will be able to convert it under permitted development rights.
@@adamwest4981 yes, but they cannot legally dwell in it, until they attain the right to dwell on the land. But if they do live in it for 4 years and 1 day without informing the authority, and don't get reported by someone, they'll have the rights to live on the land providing they can prove they've been living in that property for 4 years and 1 day. Alternatively, they can always, look to renovate another run down property at the farm and drag that to another 3/6 years, and then, they need to do the same or similar for either another property or a new barn or stable or shed or something and drag that for another 3/6 years in that time they obviously do what they are planning on doing, in doing so once the 10years and 1 day passes they can also apply to live on the land providing they've been living in the caravan for 10years and 1 day. Granted this path is longer, but it shows it's not end of all hope. Also they can try another path which is an agri business for 3 years and as long as one of the 3 years is around £18,000 they can apply for dwelling as well. So there are many options, but moving onto the land is priority number one. So well done to them.
Nice video, and a really great plan. We live in the Netherlands and it's interesting to hear about the laws and planning the involve a project like this. If you guys turn it in to a B&B, we would love to rent it for a holiday in the UK.
We're in the middle of building a twin unit caravan as our permanent residence on our smallholding. We've built it in situ using a pier/ beam footing. Quite nicely finished using mostly natural materials. Its going to cost about 85k and is smaller than yours! I think you'll do very well to get it built for 35k. Especially considering the costs of materials currently. Good luck though. It'll be great to watch you build yours. Happy to share some build tips/ design elements if you want to contact me directly.
It may well spiral. Fortunately we have bought all the structural materials, windows and insulation already so we know where we are at this point. Internal fit out and utilities will be where we either go over or get frugal.
@@TheRestorationCouple great. I reckon the internal finishing and services is about 45% of our build costs. The good thing is you can install all the services yourself as you don't need a sign off from building control. Just check with an insurer before you do that especially any solid fuel installation as some of them have issues with fires in timber frame builds.
Hi, you mentioned you're building for permanent residence - hope its all going well! I'm hoping to do this myself, what sort of planning did you need for this? Is it only possible to get away without planning if you are living on the site as a restoration project? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
@@cvenn123 We have a kind of agricultural tie to our land which made getting planning consent possible. Very hard to build in the open countryside unless your in a development zone. Generally its about change of use from agricultural to residential and for that purpose a caravan is considered the same as a normal house because the change of use is the same. I'd always get professional help regarding planning matters as there are so many variables and so much misinformation out there. Taking chances with planning is not recommended as making the wrong call is expensive and v stressful.
16m is sooooooooooo long! We are in the same position but, have change of use now after a number of years waiting. Get on the zoom calls with the planners and conservation now. We are grade 2 so few further hurdles to climb with that.
If you can pick up one end of the chassis and move it side to side, it will make tight corners easier. Some kind of attachment point for the tractor will help, except when the tractor is on one end of the lane and you have to move the otherend.
Curiously (and perhaps slightly counterintuitively) in well insulated properties direct electric heating can actually be the cheapest option once you factor in the capital costs with your running costs. The running costs will be relatively low no matter what the source - yes direct electrical will be the most expensive but it is still relatively low. Capital costs however are orders of magnitude apart - ASHP/GSHP are £5000+. A 2kw electric radiator is £30 (£75 if you want to be posh and get a wall mounted panel heater). Chuck in a small log burner for those really cold winter nights and you'll be quids in. I assume by gas boiler you mean a static caravan lpg/bottle fed job? As even though you can install an ASHP yourself for £2000ish, and get a plumber to put in cylinder for £1000ish, that's still 5x more (ish?).
Exactly our thoughts. Well insulated and simple heating is best for the cabin. A well positioned wood burner and smaller electric rads should be the most sensible route.
given that you are a good communicator and teacher, could you run residential courses in the future? The caravan could then help contribute to the income?
Sounds a very well thought out plan , ironically you are following all the rules yet in parts of the capital row upon row of illegal dwellings have been installed in back gardens to house people . Yet the authorities seem disinclined to intervene, yet I’m sure if you were to violate the rules they would come down on you like a ton of bricks . But I know you both would never knowing do anything that was not right. And that’s why you have gained so much respect over the years with your views . Best wishes and kind regards as always. 😀👍👍👍
Nearly every barn conversion I have come across has just stuck a static on site or even in a barn and just got on with it. Problem with sharing everything publicly is there is no room for chancing anything. Probably a good thing though!
@@toastie1 what are the top 5 reasons for live on a smallholding? I am thinking of doing the same, but taking slightly a different path. I am gonna run with applying for rights to build a barn for my livestock once I register my farm. And then, either static caravans for the family ideally or build like him. And them apply to live on the land to run my farm business. Go down the 3 years path and I am hoping I can show profit of 20k in one of the 3 years, so hopefully I'll get the right to live (dwell) on site.
Think about an MVHR for ventilation, there can be issues if you're highly insulating & making very airtight otherwise. Worth costing up a heat pump hot water unit, could save you in gas connection. Your strategy is spot on though
If this video gets the ‘caravan’ / lodge loophole closed I’m going to cry… I’ve been planning this for our long term for years 😂 The property we’ve just bought has a lawful Dev certificate for exactly this… in the back garden. Cause uproar in the village but nothing that the planners could dispute.
Thx for the update it sounds wonderful. Btw the situation with a garden office in the back garden is you are only meant to sleep in them if they are built to building control regs standard. This is because without regs they tend to be quite flammable. PS looking forward to hearing about the farm, heard this morning the price of chicken feed has rocketed :(.
And pig food, it will be a fiver a sausage at this rate! Interesting that a mobile home in the garden does not have to me regs though and could essentially look the same. There are park home standards for more ‘permanent’ dwellings which we are using but no actual building regs requirement as far as I have seen.
@@TheRestorationCouple That's right it is not building regs but the BS3632 standard you have to have if you want to be able to sell for a good price in the future say.
Hi Tim & Jo. We’re looking at doing something similar. You mentioned SIPS, apart from cost and less videos showing the exterior build, is there a reason not to use them? That’s assuming the trailer can take the load and is well supported? Are your drawings available to purchase too? Keep up the great work all round👍 TIA
Tim, have you come across Jeffrey Hart? He is building a tiny trailer home, using natural materials (timber, cork, wool) and Passivhaus principles. He hosts the Building Sustainability Podcast, and was recently on the House Planning Help podcast. He could be a great person to talk to about the best approach to your build. I think he's in the Bristol area.
There is very little on how to build a cabin within the parameters of the 'caravan act'. Really looking forward to how you do it! Is this going to be an oversized fridge on wheels this time lol!
Electric heating etc is an interesting area to investigate. Heatrae Sadia have a range of electric central heating systems that heat water and then circulate in the usual fashion to radiators. Worth looking into as the capital costs are relatively low, and as you you indicated, energy (oil/gas-LPG) is not coming down in price! You have the land available to allow you to invest in PV and battery systems for your energy - you could potentially almost declare energy independence. Like others have mentioned, your journey is fascinating and I follow it with great interest.
Plenty of useful information, and look forward to progress. I Assume you have had a satisfactory consultation with local planners, or has the site/farm got outline permission for a Barn Conversion into a House.
Great plan…it’s a sensible move and will allow you to do the build without pressure from your living conditions. How long do you think it will take to change the use on the land to residential? Also which building are you converting into the house?
Seems to me the easiest way to get the top frame off is to jack it up and drive the other one away from beneath it. Then lower the top one step by step
keep away from gas pal.go full electric.if budget isnt there for full solar.get a good sized battery to start and go on a tarif with cheaper night rates and then in time add solar.make sure system can add in other brands etc
So I'm assuming the barn conversion you mentioned briefly is the future permanent house? It looks large. I'm curious about the land - it looks kind of lumpy-bumpy and I'm wondering if there's some archaeology under that ground.
tbh our patrons are the only ones totally clued up. With so many platforms to keep up with its hard to remember where we say what. Insta is a bit more uptodate as don't need to sit and edit a video and then upload it. :) will try better in the future.
Interesting. Have you looked into a air to water heatpump as your heat source for the glampingwagon? Sounds like you will be well insulated so a good solution. Even better if you hang a few solar panels on the roof...
Question re the heating - why no thoughts into Air Source Or Ground Source Heat Pumps? They would be heavy on capital up front but a much more economical over the long term, especially if coupled with Underfloor Heating and great Uvalue? Also long term solution if you re route then to the main house when you’re ready? And then the caravan can be sold with UFH plug and play into any energy system by the buyer?
Hay. He is applying for the planning permission for converting the barn, if it's for dwelling, I am sure (I hope not for his family's sake) he will be turned down... Right? What would you advise him in his situation?
@@norocketsciencebuild5371 I believe he’s going for a class q conversion on the barn, which is prior approval, so my understanding is if his class q is approved, he gets his building warrant and starts work on converting the barn he’ll be ok. The problems always arise where someone sites a caravan and lives on site before they start their building project or before their planning permission is in place as it triggers enforcement. He’s definitely pushing the definition of a “caravan” to its limits!
@@livingoffgridinscotland I see. I don't think he will live on the farm until the permission is granted, he is wise. But I am not confident he'll get the right to convert the class q property as it will change the right of use and etc... I think he may have to try other paths but this approach is noteworthy. I am sure he need to gain the right to dwell on the land first and then gain the right to convert the barn. But he isn't clear to us whether the conversion is for dwelling or for business purpose.
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Here in Finland all electric heating is actually quite usual. 15cm or more insulation snd triple glased windows, no problem even with -20C weather. Electric radiators under the windows, electric floor heating in bathroom, electric boiler with around 100 liters per person, electric stove and electric sauna. All from 3x25A supply. No problem. Ground loop heatpump with under floor heating or air to air heatpumps are also good low maintenance options. Sealing heaters have been found to be mostly a waste of energy.
We heavily insulated our house when we built it 16 years ago. Have never used the underfloor heating and this year I have only lit the wood burner 6 times. Good luck with it all.
This project sounds amazing guys! Really interesting to hear laws etc with the trend of ‘tiny homes’ being self built at home. I look forward to your journey
Wow Tim That's my next three years' viewing sorted. Thanks you so much for sharing al of this.
Hope this may be of interest to you both, We live in a converted Mill and have installed an electric modulating combi from a Spanish company called Gaberon,
It can be wired from 9 to 15 Kw and do not need a flue. It supplies both hot water and central heating if you wish.
I believe that there are several companies who now manufacture similar boilers, and if this is of interest please feel free to contact me for any further information, ( cost of the boiler was approx £ 2200 ) 😃
Gabarrón
sounds iffy, why so keen....
So glad that you made this video - I've been super curious about what the chassis are for!
I have a feeling you'll be setting the gold standard for mobile homes. I can't help it, but i just love those pigs!
Excellent planning / building regs content. Many thanks.
We've had air-to-air heat pumps for over a decade here in the South West. Actually usually never been more expensive than gas and is very controllable. We've tried infrared panels, which are good but we found difficult to control, in that the control systems are expensive and a bit first generation. Our current project is a 'Ford box in County Cork' (Google will show you what they are!), we're going electric underfloor heating, max breathable insulation and ripping out the solid fuel burner. I absolutely love wood burners but you can buy a lot of electricity for the money it costs for the installation and the Carbon Monoxide worries/management. Also, don't you think they will take up a lot of floor space? You can't just stick a wood burner in an existing fireplace in a caravan, you are going to need a bit of space, space that you could use for some more tools, computer equipment, etc. Just a thought... 😉 By the way, I absolutely love the channel. You guys are an absolute inspiration, please keep up the great work.
Wood grows on trees though......wink
Tim, I hope your planner is watching this vlog, they will see you know your game and the rules, hopefully it can be an educational video for others planning such an enterprise.
Looking forward to the build, knowing your standards it will be a masterpiece.
Am so looking forward to watching the upcoming episodes of the build , given what you did to the house and the amazing job you did on the workshop ( that you barely got any use out of LOL ) this is going to be fabulous, absolutely cannot wait , good luck to the both of you , and the kids , the chickens, the pigs etc etc
So happy the build is moving forward I.e they have been made and delivered if you need any thing like brackets or anything fabricobled give me a shout look forward to seeing the build take shape
Great to hear about all the legal aspects of this, did realise how complicated it could be, one of my friends son is doing a old steel barn conversion, 4 bed but the rooms will be huge, they have installed an underground heat pump system, walls are timber around the existing steel work, with insulation of 300mm thick, it's going to look great when finished, can't wait to see yours come to life.👍
We went all electric with our 1838 house renovation. A/C - basically Air source heat pumps. With Solar power it’s cheaper than Oil and we are very pleased that we stay hot / keep cool / dehumidifier function is great too
The irony of telling us to "Do it yourself" whilst helping push the bike =D
Sounds great, Restoration Couple, I look forward to watching it!
This is a wonderful project that you have here and it will be great to follow. Especially when we have been following you for a long time and we know the quality of your achievements.
You can have a hot water tank and an immersion heater for hot water. Also think about adding solar panels to supplement your energy usage,
Such hardworking, decent people 🥰
There’s a clear plan going forwards and it’s going to be quite the journey. 😎👍✅✅✅✅✅
Love it that your daughter is observant that she is bleeding, but doesn’t cry about it.
A new junior school in Worcester had (expensive initially) ground source heat pumps but have a look at their air con units, like big chimneys enclosing branches that had water dribbling through with low power fans blowing fresh air down to rooms, cheap to buy and run and effective
“Remember the budget is the budget so not going for renewables” that’s is so true, and entirely to do with price, not will or want. They are over double in most ways especially with the FITs change.
Exciting stuff guys :D:D! As an architect I can't wait to see the design and build
When I first say this video I thought that you said the 'mobile' home would take 3 years to build! Really glad to hear later on that you were referring to the main home! Can't wait to see you building both/ Take care, George
This sounds amazing, literally can't wait for you to start the build.
Good luck! Make sure you include us viewers as much as possible, sometimes you might need us too!
thanks for answering. well, seems a daunting, but exciting task. to build a temp home, then build or remodel the barn. you must love a challenge. as long as you have the money and the skills, which you do have. should e a fun ride.. remember to keep positive through it.
this was an interesting one. nice to hear what the planning permission requirements are on this. and Tim, you might seriously consider a heat-pump. it'll run on electricity anyway but it'll be a LOT cheaper than electric heaters...we've had our HP (air-to-heat) for a few years now and it's running beautifully.
I imagine they just don’t have room in the budget for a heat pump, electric heaters are a fraction of the cost to buy
@@georgerothwell yes, but the HP can then be transferred into the main building once it's built.
@@felixreali7101 they dont work
@@nickevans7049 i've had one for coming up to 4 years now and I can tell you: they DO work 😉 I will never heat my house with anything else...even if we decide to move some day
This sounds huge and wonderful. I wish you guys all the very best in this endeavour. If it's anything like what you did with the house it's going to be awesome 😀👍👍
Really interesting and quite funny how people get creative around the rules. I'm thinking of a similar caravan at my place to give me a bit more room to exist so this was very good to hear about. Thanks for sharing!
Looking forward to seeing the build! I was just going to suggest an Air BnB but sounds like you’ve already considered it! I’m sure you would get booked up with subscribers who want a first hand nosy at RC HQ
Great channel guys, and a fab journey you are on. Please at the very least get 'pre-planning advice', it's worth it before spending too much money on the chassis/cabin. Likewise the proposed house/farm house and any change of use to residential for land/outbuildings. The planning system is fraught with dangers due to assumptions and self-interpretations.
Wishing you well on your journey, but be prepared for the planning quagmire.
All sounds very sensible, and good choice with the electric heating. To save your gas standing charge, you can easily find an electric water heater also. Looking forward to seeing it!
Sure you’ll be looking at all options for the Barn Conversion, but now you’ve started on your Lime travels, I’d highly recommend looking into lime-Crete floors (with our without UFH).. and lime/fibre insulated walls.
Will make for a very traditional and cosey home and really sympathetic conversion of the barns.
Certainly the plan for the older buildings plus breathable wall insulation and lime plasters. 👍
Thanks for the explanation. Looking forward to the build.
Don't really want to think about it but what if you don't get planning permission for the main house?
I always thought agricultural land to residential was a costly nightmare in very many situations.
Hoping you don't experience this as you do seem to have laid a lot on the table already in both financial and emotional terms.
I wish you the very-best of course and hope it goes as smoothly as possible for you all.
Yep I’ve experienced planning nightmares like this sometimes it’s goes ok but mostly it’s a total pain if there’s not a dwelling already, hope it goes ok
I was wondering this while watching. It looks like barns can be converted without full planning permission under Class Q of permitted development rights as long as it's part of a farm, which I suspect is why they've got the pigs so quickly. So even if they are unable to secure full planning permission, they will be able to convert it under permitted development rights.
@@adamwest4981 yes, but they cannot legally dwell in it, until they attain the right to dwell on the land. But if they do live in it for 4 years and 1 day without informing the authority, and don't get reported by someone, they'll have the rights to live on the land providing they can prove they've been living in that property for 4 years and 1 day. Alternatively, they can always, look to renovate another run down property at the farm and drag that to another 3/6 years, and then, they need to do the same or similar for either another property or a new barn or stable or shed or something and drag that for another 3/6 years in that time they obviously do what they are planning on doing, in doing so once the 10years and 1 day passes they can also apply to live on the land providing they've been living in the caravan for 10years and 1 day. Granted this path is longer, but it shows it's not end of all hope. Also they can try another path which is an agri business for 3 years and as long as one of the 3 years is around £18,000 they can apply for dwelling as well. So there are many options, but moving onto the land is priority number one. So well done to them.
Nice video, and a really great plan. We live in the Netherlands and it's interesting to hear about the laws and planning the involve a project like this.
If you guys turn it in to a B&B, we would love to rent it for a holiday in the UK.
Can’t wait to see this build take shape
Brilliant video, good luck.
Sounds exciting. Thought the whole explanation was fascinating. Looking forward to you getting back to building again.
We're in the middle of building a twin unit caravan as our permanent residence on our smallholding. We've built it in situ using a pier/ beam footing. Quite nicely finished using mostly natural materials. Its going to cost about 85k and is smaller than yours! I think you'll do very well to get it built for 35k. Especially considering the costs of materials currently. Good luck though. It'll be great to watch you build yours. Happy to share some build tips/ design elements if you want to contact me directly.
It may well spiral. Fortunately we have bought all the structural materials, windows and insulation already so we know where we are at this point. Internal fit out and utilities will be where we either go over or get frugal.
@@TheRestorationCouple great. I reckon the internal finishing and services is about 45% of our build costs. The good thing is you can install all the services yourself as you don't need a sign off from building control. Just check with an insurer before you do that especially any solid fuel installation as some of them have issues with fires in timber frame builds.
Hi, you mentioned you're building for permanent residence - hope its all going well! I'm hoping to do this myself, what sort of planning did you need for this? Is it only possible to get away without planning if you are living on the site as a restoration project? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
@@cvenn123 We have a kind of agricultural tie to our land which made getting planning consent possible. Very hard to build in the open countryside unless your in a development zone. Generally its about change of use from agricultural to residential and for that purpose a caravan is considered the same as a normal house because the change of use is the same. I'd always get professional help regarding planning matters as there are so many variables and so much misinformation out there. Taking chances with planning is not recommended as making the wrong call is expensive and v stressful.
16m is sooooooooooo long! We are in the same position but, have change of use now after a number of years waiting. Get on the zoom calls with the planners and conservation now. We are grade 2 so few further hurdles to climb with that.
Great. Thanks😊 currently doing something similar. Ps Just got yourself another sub🎉
Cant wait to see this build come to life 👍
With the continual rise in building materials it’s going to be a very big challenge to keep within budget
Good luck with it
A 6m x 6m living area sounds so much better than living in a caravan for 3 years 😁
It's a bit bigger than that - 16m x 6m
I was wondering what was going on. Thanks for the update !
If you can pick up one end of the chassis and move it side to side, it will make tight corners easier. Some kind of attachment point for the tractor will help, except when the tractor is on one end of the lane and you have to move the otherend.
So excited to see the build. Very jealous.
Curiously (and perhaps slightly counterintuitively) in well insulated properties direct electric heating can actually be the cheapest option once you factor in the capital costs with your running costs. The running costs will be relatively low no matter what the source - yes direct electrical will be the most expensive but it is still relatively low. Capital costs however are orders of magnitude apart - ASHP/GSHP are £5000+. A 2kw electric radiator is £30 (£75 if you want to be posh and get a wall mounted panel heater). Chuck in a small log burner for those really cold winter nights and you'll be quids in.
I assume by gas boiler you mean a static caravan lpg/bottle fed job? As even though you can install an ASHP yourself for £2000ish, and get a plumber to put in cylinder for £1000ish, that's still 5x more (ish?).
Exactly our thoughts. Well insulated and simple heating is best for the cabin. A well positioned wood burner and smaller electric rads should be the most sensible route.
If you're going to keep sheep it could be very interesting to make trip to Devon and visit Rebecca Hosking and her Forever Flock. Lots of inspiration
given that you are a good communicator and teacher, could you run residential courses in the future? The caravan could then help contribute to the income?
Looking forward to seeing how this fantastic goes . . . :)
What a lovely place
Great solution, can't wait to see the build
Thanks for the details. This will be fun to watch.
Sounds a very well thought out plan , ironically you are following all the rules yet in parts of the capital row upon row of illegal dwellings have been installed in back gardens to house people . Yet the authorities seem disinclined to intervene, yet I’m sure if you were to violate the rules they would come down on you like a ton of bricks . But I know you both would never knowing do anything that was not right. And that’s why you have gained so much respect over the years with your views . Best wishes and kind regards as always. 😀👍👍👍
Nearly every barn conversion I have come across has just stuck a static on site or even in a barn and just got on with it. Problem with sharing everything publicly is there is no room for chancing anything. Probably a good thing though!
@@toastie1 what are the top 5 reasons for live on a smallholding? I am thinking of doing the same, but taking slightly a different path. I am gonna run with applying for rights to build a barn for my livestock once I register my farm. And then, either static caravans for the family ideally or build like him. And them apply to live on the land to run my farm business. Go down the 3 years path and I am hoping I can show profit of 20k in one of the 3 years, so hopefully I'll get the right to live (dwell) on site.
@@toastie1 if that fails, I'll then continue the 3 years of temp living and go down the 10 and 1 day path.
Think about an MVHR for ventilation, there can be issues if you're highly insulating & making very airtight otherwise.
Worth costing up a heat pump hot water unit, could save you in gas connection.
Your strategy is spot on though
Mvhr on the main house but may also look at a single unit in the cabin but likely not needed.
If this video gets the ‘caravan’ / lodge loophole closed I’m going to cry… I’ve been planning this for our long term for years 😂
The property we’ve just bought has a lawful Dev certificate for exactly this… in the back garden. Cause uproar in the village but nothing that the planners could dispute.
Can’t wait to follow this project
Exciting stuff. Looking forward to seeing the builds
Thx for the update it sounds wonderful. Btw the situation with a garden office in the back garden is you are only meant to sleep in them if they are built to building control regs standard. This is because without regs they tend to be quite flammable. PS looking forward to hearing about the farm, heard this morning the price of chicken feed has rocketed :(.
And pig food, it will be a fiver a sausage at this rate! Interesting that a mobile home in the garden does not have to me regs though and could essentially look the same. There are park home standards for more ‘permanent’ dwellings which we are using but no actual building regs requirement as far as I have seen.
@@TheRestorationCouple That's right it is not building regs but the BS3632 standard you have to have if you want to be able to sell for a good price in the future say.
@@dannymurphy1779 which is terrible U values still so hoping to get beyond that.
Can't wait to see all the progress 🙌
Love your work 👍
Hi Tim & Jo. We’re looking at doing something similar. You mentioned SIPS, apart from cost and less videos showing the exterior build, is there a reason not to use them? That’s assuming the trailer can take the load and is well supported? Are your drawings available to purchase too? Keep up the great work all round👍 TIA
Tim, have you come across Jeffrey Hart? He is building a tiny trailer home, using natural materials (timber, cork, wool) and Passivhaus principles. He hosts the Building Sustainability Podcast, and was recently on the House Planning Help podcast. He could be a great person to talk to about the best approach to your build. I think he's in the Bristol area.
Now I realise why I haven't seen the farmhouse. There isn't one?
There is very little on how to build a cabin within the parameters of the 'caravan act'. Really looking forward to how you do it! Is this going to be an oversized fridge on wheels this time lol!
Super awesome video. And I would pay to come to your place and stay in your trailer.
Electric heating etc is an interesting area to investigate. Heatrae Sadia have a range of electric central heating systems that heat water and then circulate in the usual fashion to radiators. Worth looking into as the capital costs are relatively low, and as you you indicated, energy (oil/gas-LPG) is not coming down in price! You have the land available to allow you to invest in PV and battery systems for your energy - you could potentially almost declare energy independence. Like others have mentioned, your journey is fascinating and I follow it with great interest.
Helpful context!
good plan
Rent them as a holiday let when you’re done. You’ll be surprised how well they do.
Really enjoying your videos, great vibe 👍
Plenty of useful information, and look forward to progress. I Assume you have had a satisfactory consultation with local planners, or has the site/farm got outline permission for a Barn Conversion into a House.
I was going to ask the same question - presumably you're confident you can get permission for the main build?
Looking forward to a three-month cabin build. Particularly interested in how you do the roof join (ridge beam?). Exciting adventure.
Great plan…it’s a sensible move and will allow you to do the build without pressure from your living conditions. How long do you think it will take to change the use on the land to residential? Also which building are you converting into the house?
Sound like a great plan 🤟.....eh
Get grand designs on the case!
Grand Designs!
Seems to me the easiest way to get the top frame off is to jack it up and drive the other one away from beneath it. Then lower the top one step by step
keep away from gas pal.go full electric.if budget isnt there for full solar.get a good sized battery to start and go on a tarif with cheaper night rates and then in time add solar.make sure system can add in other brands etc
So I'm assuming the barn conversion you mentioned briefly is the future permanent house? It looks large. I'm curious about the land - it looks kind of lumpy-bumpy and I'm wondering if there's some archaeology under that ground.
Are we going to see you on Grand Designs for the home build?
Definitely not!
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Where abouts are you putting the cabin on the site guys?
You may have mentioned it on Insta, but are we watching here on Insta? No. Thx for the update for us poor souls on YT. :P
tbh our patrons are the only ones totally clued up. With so many platforms to keep up with its hard to remember where we say what. Insta is a bit more uptodate as don't need to sit and edit a video and then upload it. :) will try better in the future.
They've mentioned it all here before
Did/could u not have maybe looked at the cool container homes/dwellings. Atlrast then could air bnb it out.
It sounds like the exercise is needed. 🙂
Interesting.
Have you looked into a air to water heatpump as your heat source for the glampingwagon? Sounds like you will be well insulated so a good solution. Even better if you hang a few solar panels on the roof...
Could always go for an electric boiler for hot water
Only reason for gas would be that we won’t need a cylinder but might be possible.
If you get time check out " Just a few acres farm" A small farm in the USA running pigs and cattle and chickens. Lots of interesting stuff.
Yeah been watching for a while. Nice down to earth viewing and very informative. 👍
Question re the heating - why no thoughts into Air Source Or Ground Source Heat Pumps? They would be heavy on capital up front but a much more economical over the long term, especially if coupled with Underfloor Heating and great Uvalue?
Also long term solution if you re route then to the main house when you’re ready? And then the caravan can be sold with UFH plug and play into any energy system by the buyer?
Because it’s only a 2-3 year temporary house. Renewables in the main house though. 👍
@@TheRestorationCouple could easily repurpose an air to air heat pump down the line. Easy to DIY install too and pritty cheep per unit
Turn them into workshops 👍
You can live on site with permission to build a barn
Hey, did you consider 2 containers on wheels joined together as the basis of the build?
So what's the house in the background. is it the original farmhouse. Was it not part of the purchase?
How about solar panels?
PV panels to cut your electrical bill? You can reuse after…
Payback it a lot shorter now that prices are so much higher
The caravan act can be very interesting…
We’ve abused it for the last 11 years 😂
I’ve done a few videos on it on my channel….
Hay. He is applying for the planning permission for converting the barn, if it's for dwelling, I am sure (I hope not for his family's sake) he will be turned down... Right? What would you advise him in his situation?
@@norocketsciencebuild5371 I believe he’s going for a class q conversion on the barn, which is prior approval, so my understanding is if his class q is approved, he gets his building warrant and starts work on converting the barn he’ll be ok.
The problems always arise where someone sites a caravan and lives on site before they start their building project or before their planning permission is in place as it triggers enforcement. He’s definitely pushing the definition of a “caravan” to its limits!
@@livingoffgridinscotland I see. I don't think he will live on the farm until the permission is granted, he is wise. But I am not confident he'll get the right to convert the class q property as it will change the right of use and etc... I think he may have to try other paths but this approach is noteworthy. I am sure he need to gain the right to dwell on the land first and then gain the right to convert the barn. But he isn't clear to us whether the conversion is for dwelling or for business purpose.
Buildings,diy blah blah blah. Piggies, chucks, bunnies woohoo❤️😎