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  • Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
  • Are kneeskids breaking the law? Are you a knee-dragger? Our legal expert, Andrew Dalton busts some internet myths and explains what to do if you're pulled by the police...
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  • @andrewbryceland2574
    @andrewbryceland2574 3 года назад +308

    I got my knee down once, followed by my arse, back, head and the rest of my bike 😂

    • @jordan9339
      @jordan9339 3 года назад +6

      Like most of us. More than once :D

    • @TheBigLebowskix
      @TheBigLebowskix 3 года назад +2

      Yep I did it just before Christmas, also got 2 broken arms for my trouble...

    • @timmason7430
      @timmason7430 3 года назад +3

      Me too, followed by 9 months with a Taylor Spatial frame.

    • @TheBigLebowskix
      @TheBigLebowskix 3 года назад +2

      @@timmason7430 Ouch thought mine was bad...

    • @jarnom85
      @jarnom85 3 года назад +2

      I got knee down once, when someone pulled front of me behind of "give way" traffic sign.

  • @ukjamesh
    @ukjamesh 3 года назад +109

    I got my kneedown in front of a biker cop which I didn't see, about 20 years ago! I thought I was getting pulled for sure. He just gave me a nod.... #respect 🤛

    • @1000sofusernames
      @1000sofusernames 2 года назад +2

      Lol. Our local coppers had a knee down = dangerous driving . Nobody ever tested it.

    • @flippy66
      @flippy66 5 месяцев назад

      @@1000sofusernames Then your local coppers were wrong and would have been embarrassed by the court proceedings.

  • @ColeslawJunkie
    @ColeslawJunkie 3 года назад +209

    Just spent 15 minutes watching some great advice that will ultimately never apply to me 😂 great video though lads 👍

    • @paulhorvath9784
      @paulhorvath9784 3 года назад

      I detect Some Sarcasm ,,Very Original.

    • @adamsimper6364
      @adamsimper6364 3 года назад +10

      Utterly agree. Watched the lot. Never getting my knee down 🤣

    • @angrypants7619
      @angrypants7619 3 года назад +7

      @@paulhorvath9784 get a life

    • @NooBiker
      @NooBiker 3 года назад +1

      Ditto! 👍🏼

    • @witnesspropro
      @witnesspropro 3 года назад +3

      I dunno. He goes on a bit doesn't he? The video could have been half as long if he didn't keep repeating himself.

  • @gavinstubbs3949
    @gavinstubbs3949 3 года назад +59

    Fuck its 2021 "officer my knee identifys as a tyre"

    • @Sketch1994
      @Sketch1994 3 года назад +2

      And you are racist if you call it "it"... It's gender fluid cause it mans up round corners but turns to a bitch when it hurts.

    • @Swampster70
      @Swampster70 3 года назад

      He/Him/Tyre

  • @Maedhrosz
    @Maedhrosz 3 года назад +76

    Th UK truly is where all fun comes to die.

    • @sleepindragon179
      @sleepindragon179 3 года назад +1

      Agreed. I enjoy the aspect of freedom and not being part of the masses. I hate being told what to do by the state.

    • @Lobo_Argent
      @Lobo_Argent 3 года назад

      Not much better here in States :/

    • @NiSE_Rafter
      @NiSE_Rafter 3 года назад +1

      @@Lobo_Argent Well many states are still quite free imo but yeah it's looking like we're moving in the wrong direction...

    • @Lobo_Argent
      @Lobo_Argent 3 года назад +2

      @@NiSE_Rafter we can’t even lane split (filter) here except in California; I find it a bit silly :(

    • @iamtherealzombie
      @iamtherealzombie 3 года назад +7

      Switzerland can teach the UK things about killing fun... motorsports of all sorts are illegal there, and also Chris got a ginormous fine.

  • @alburns7278
    @alburns7278 3 года назад +76

    I got my knee down 14 years ago, shes still with me...

    • @spks-nj7kl
      @spks-nj7kl Год назад +2

      A man who marries a good wife becomes happy.
      A man who marries a bad wife becomes a philosopher.

    • @Mr.A.J.1
      @Mr.A.J.1 7 месяцев назад

      Shit, mate. I’m a philosopher😂😂😂

  • @djg9589
    @djg9589 3 года назад +12

    Can we just take a moment to appreciate Chris’ slow mo on the S1000RR , elbow down too 😁👍🏻

    • @BaronVonGrumble
      @BaronVonGrumble 3 года назад +2

      Pretty much?! 😅😏

    • @djg9589
      @djg9589 3 года назад

      @@BaronVonGrumble edited comment accordingly, sir 😂

  • @stephanguisseppi
    @stephanguisseppi 3 года назад +16

    When 'justice' depends on how much you can actually afford, it's not really justice is it.

    • @ianwarren
      @ianwarren 2 года назад

      Sadly justice has always depended on how much you can afford to some extent.
      If your guilty as sin and clearly so the best barristers are unlikely to get you off but if you can’t afford a solicitor, barrister or expert witness when needed the odds are heavily stacked in favour of the police and CPS and as a result justice is often not done!
      I also find the that your expert witness needs to be an ex class 1 copper bizarre! Why not an professional motorcycle instructor, qualified physicist etc etc!

    • @yomstergilla7683
      @yomstergilla7683 Год назад

      And the competence or education of the officer of the Crown.
      Not too many Roads Schollars in the coppers. (See what I did there with Rhodes? Huh did ya?).

  • @hubertcumberdale3063
    @hubertcumberdale3063 3 года назад +26

    The best thing about this is the comments section, with so many people saying they can't get their knees down! Neither can I, and now I feel a lot less embarrassed about it :D One day guys, one day!

    • @siraff4461
      @siraff4461 3 года назад

      If I could do it at 16 on a DT50 then you can too. Its just a case of figuring the bike out and what you can/can't get away with. Most people are limited by fear (which is healthy and good on a bike) and though they have all the skill and bike, they won't push it far enough to ever find out.
      I started off racing mx and minimoto's many years before road bikes so knee down on the road isn't really all that impressive afterwards. There are some minimoto tracks where you're knee down more than not.

    • @ianwarren
      @ianwarren 2 года назад

      I got my full license in January and courtesy of my son (ex BSB racer) I have had lots of good advice on my riding which has massively improved this year with my first big bike (CBR650R), over 4,500 miles riding and a European trip and riding hard around the Austrian Alps being a big part of that.
      I am even on a promise for a mate of his (MotoGP Test rider) to give me instruction on track sometime, hopefully soon!
      If I end up on track getting my knee down fine however my only ambition for the day is to end going quicker than I start and feeling my judgement and ability to get round corners has improved by finding out where the limits of adhesion are, what I can do to increase them maybe trail braking and the likes so I can negotiate corners and hazards on road better.
      If my knee goes down ✔️ if not I really don’t give a crap!

  • @julianmcclintock4763
    @julianmcclintock4763 3 года назад +3

    I love this series. Andrew is first rate at explaining things and clearly knows his craft.

  • @ducky237
    @ducky237 3 года назад +32

    To be fair, I've had police going the other way wagging their finger at me for hanging off the bike,not knee down. It keeps the bike more upright with bigger tyre contact patch. Not every copper is a biker, made my riding buddy laugh as he's a copper!🤣

    • @cbr7170
      @cbr7170 3 года назад +5

      Hang off does not result in a bigger contact patch. Even if it would, it wouldn't make a difference, since contact patch size is not related to traction at all.

    • @ducky237
      @ducky237 3 года назад +1

      @@cbr7170 shhh...its my excuse 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @elevenpsy
      @elevenpsy 3 года назад +1

      Hanging off moves your center of gravity closer to the inside of the corner, enabling you to hold a tighter line.

    • @Porkycheun
      @Porkycheun 3 года назад +1

      @@cbr7170 Can you explain please? "contact patch size is not related to traction at all."

    • @agentsmith7727
      @agentsmith7727 3 года назад

      @@cbr7170 What a load of bullshit, hanging off reduces the lean angle the bike has to make -> larger contact patch of tyre -> more traction

  • @richardbrown8271
    @richardbrown8271 3 года назад +1

    Andrew Dalton is a bad ass ....he dealt with my accident claim directly and is absolutely awesome and such a nice bloke and as you can see in this video he seriously knows his stuff ,,can't recommend this man enough ! #legend

  • @Backwardsit1
    @Backwardsit1 3 года назад +15

    I am 60. If I get my knee down I am not coming back up :-)

  • @Wilberon_McBane
    @Wilberon_McBane 3 года назад +16

    Every single episode of this mini-series is absolutely brilliant, solid and sensible advice that we should all have in the back of our minds when cutting about. Thanks for putting this together 😎

  • @davidash1008
    @davidash1008 3 года назад +2

    Al's very last point was the best point in this video, there's a massive difference between experienced riders getting their knee down in a controlled manner with proper body position vs those who are using the country lanes to practice trying to get their knee down....glad you made that point Al, I didn't think it was coming!

    • @flippy66
      @flippy66 8 месяцев назад

      Actually he didn't make that point, because it would still come down to whether any of the actual offences outlined by this solicitor were committed, and they would not necessarily be. People have to learn somehow. If they are practicing in a controlled and safe way then you're going to struggle to argue that any offence was committed.
      But of course it's not about that, it's about gatekeeping 😉

  • @Tefloncoated
    @Tefloncoated 3 года назад +49

    I haven't seen a copper in 15 years so no problem!

    • @hughiemg2
      @hughiemg2 3 года назад +14

      Sending an offensive tweet is a quick way to remedy that!

    • @cdsmith1990
      @cdsmith1990 3 года назад +3

      You won't need to, now that people can submit their dashcam clips of evildoers such as yourself, basically doing the police's very important job for them lol

    • @maxflight777
      @maxflight777 3 года назад +4

      Plenty of political and gender misdemeanours for them to investigate. Also time spent painting their kit in LGBT colours and taking the knee for Marxist BLM......

    • @sleepindragon179
      @sleepindragon179 3 года назад

      Your not trying hard enough!

    • @mopedblade
      @mopedblade 3 года назад

      I see the word copper (im not from UK) im thinking peaky blinders

  • @prospero4183
    @prospero4183 3 года назад +13

    Love this series, interesting and informative.

  • @cxb8664
    @cxb8664 3 года назад +3

    Please do a video on tinted visors. It’s a massive grey patch that I don’t think a lot of us understand.

  • @petep9638
    @petep9638 3 года назад +14

    I love this series! Thanks

  • @richieb7692
    @richieb7692 3 года назад +1

    I remember in the 90's we used to drill 1/8 holes in the sliders, and superglue Zippo lighter flints into them.
    Kicks up sparks beautifully.....
    Best seen in the evenings for full effect

  • @Banditmanuk
    @Banditmanuk 3 года назад +8

    So basically you're shafted if a copper thinks your knee down is dangerous because even if found not guilty you could be out of pocket by £2,000 in lawyer fees.

    • @rossshearer2331
      @rossshearer2331 3 года назад

      But it could be a case of keeping you bike license, or walking home

    • @lewisyates2
      @lewisyates2 3 года назад +4

      So much for innocent until proven guilty. The copper should have to prove how your riding is dangerous.

    • @Banditmanuk
      @Banditmanuk 3 года назад +3

      @@lewisyates2 Perhaps if the police had to pay all your legal costs and expenses if found innocent then perhaps they would think twice before charging you.

  • @veitch27
    @veitch27 3 года назад +8

    Just like Jason Statham said majority of us think it’s illegal due to the internet keyboard warriors. Great video!

  • @pauls6157
    @pauls6157 3 года назад +7

    If I get me knee down, have just low sided 🇬🇧🏍.
    Great series Al

  • @AH-pm3bx
    @AH-pm3bx 3 года назад +30

    wont encounter this problem at all cause im not even close to getting my knee down 😎

  • @luketerry1745
    @luketerry1745 3 года назад +9

    Knee down with a bike that’s leant over less than when it’s on its side stand is a rare skill

    • @ashleyreynolds6604
      @ashleyreynolds6604 3 года назад +2

      Special hips and skinny legs 😆

    • @BobSmith-yy8ng
      @BobSmith-yy8ng 3 года назад +2

      Fagan can do it he's no Emmet of the original fast bikes grind them pegs 🐢

  • @xl447
    @xl447 3 года назад +2

    Can remember back in the 90's, groups of us all practicing the technique around Podimore roundabout. FZR400's, me on my NS400r, CBR's, ZXR's, strokers......ah summer memories

    • @siraff4461
      @siraff4461 3 года назад

      Back when biking was fun. Now its a constant test of observation for plod and people aiming at you while on facebook.

    • @xl447
      @xl447 3 года назад

      @@siraff4461 exactly bud, eyes up and keep ahead.👍

  • @georgel3657
    @georgel3657 3 года назад +1

    I'm a cop, got nothing against people getting a knee down in a *safe environment*.. more power to you.
    We all know what's dangerous (or should), any attempt to tell the cop "actually officer I was just moving my contact patch" well... good luck with that lol.
    Ride safe, race on track, don't put other peoples lives in danger.

  • @N0nManfiold99
    @N0nManfiold99 3 года назад +4

    I spoke to Andrew about my case. An officer ticketed me for having no mirrors on my bike and put it under the alleged offense of 'failure to have proper view' lmao. Andrew was quick to tell me it ISNT illegal to have no mirrors on your motorcycle and if they do pursue me in court, I will be happy to read out the road construction and use act to the judge where it clearly states, 'no requirement'. Police are a joke.

    • @aidenlothian9642
      @aidenlothian9642 3 года назад +1

      Why would you not have mirrors on a road bike?

    • @andyjackson5
      @andyjackson5 3 года назад

      @@aidenlothian9642 because he wants it to look like a track bike 🙄

    • @N0nManfiold99
      @N0nManfiold99 3 года назад +1

      @@andyjackson5 Lowsided a while ago and never bothered to get new mirrors. Makes filtering a lot easier with less width and shoulder checks work better than mirrors anyways. ;)

  • @lewisyates2
    @lewisyates2 3 года назад +2

    So basically, if it comes to a "motoring offence" you're guilty until proven innocent (+ out of pockets thousands in legal fees). How is this allowed when the whole justice systems is supposed to be based on "innocent until proven guilty".

  • @philhart3878
    @philhart3878 3 года назад

    Solid white lines. Highway Code says “You must not cross or straddle”. Usual exceptions of course. Passing very slow vehicles when safe to do so etc.

  • @ryanmalone2681
    @ryanmalone2681 Год назад

    I live in Tennessee in the US, and so many riders want to go to Tail of the Dragon with their mates and show off, among other of the many twisties around it, and they have no idea and go off. They go off before even getting to the first turn as they come out of the petrol station at the start because it has a hill that goes flat in a relatively straight turn. Once on the TOTD, they cross the lines all the time, they go off but spend a lot of time in the opposite lane, or they go incredibly slow because they’re scared, but are too self-absorbed to even consider letting the faster traffic by on the MANY MANY pull-offs. The cars cutting the corners is even worse. Best thing to do on well-renowned twisties is to stay in your lane, have sow drills you’re practicing to sharpen your skills when you have a multitude of opportunities (such as trail braking), and use it as an opportunity to hone your skills, learn how to stay safe, learn to ‘ride your own ride’, and show respect for the hazards that are exaggerated on twisty roads.

  • @Miata822
    @Miata822 3 года назад +1

    "You can't give evidence on your own behalf." ???!!!
    UK laws always seemed a mess to me but this is next level silliness.
    Average speed cameras, overzealous police, low speed limits... riding on the "wrong" side of the road is bad enough but I think I will no longer plan to tour the UK by bike. That once was a dream of mine but I suppose I need to let that go.

    • @ianwarren
      @ianwarren 2 года назад

      I think his point was that you can’t give evidence as an expert in your own defence not that you can’t give testimony as to what did or didn’t happen!

  • @lukenochance993
    @lukenochance993 3 года назад +31

    That bloke looks like a shorter undertaker

    • @db192
      @db192 3 года назад +1

      Haha he is! I can’t un-see I now!

    • @MacBegbie
      @MacBegbie 3 года назад

      Belter! 🤣 indeed, definitely can’t un-see that now!!

    • @clashcityrocker2051
      @clashcityrocker2051 3 года назад

      Even sounds like a wrestler...White Dalton!

  • @karlosh2422
    @karlosh2422 3 года назад +2

    Sounds like good advice :)
    In the unlikely event that I can manage to get my knee down, I will bare this in mind.

  • @lacrossev
    @lacrossev 3 года назад +3

    Agree with the last bit of someone trying to get their knee down while being bolt upright on the bike. So many riders thinking they're actually going knee down and that is saving the bike's lean angle when its the opposite and they're about to outride their available grip, making the whole maneuver actually unsafe.

  • @PCERules
    @PCERules 3 года назад +7

    That’s interesting and it’s outrageous (and something I’ve experienced) that costs aren’t refunded for these court cases. Got to love that since 2011... robbery by stealth.

    • @PCERules
      @PCERules 3 года назад +1

      @myhoneybringsallthebeestomyjar there isn't one, just to prove this isn't party political, a rule brought in by Maggie Thatcher's government was that local authorities and government departments had their legal bills capped, so that they couldn't litigate for the sake of it (essentially what's being suggested here) any cases beyond budget had to be approved by the a government specialist. Tony Blair changed this and also expanded legal aid, so that all local authorities had to do was have a 'reasonable chance of winning' - also not great BUT enter call me Dave Cameron, who in one foul swoop wipes out legal aid and potential cost recovery against the crown and worse still unlimited litigation for police, local authorities, etc - now I grant this is massively simplified, however Maggie made it simpler to stop cases but you had to have cash to start them, Blair made it too easy for pointless claimants and Cameron decided the best thing to do was screw everyone over with double trouble for tax payers. You couldn't make it up!

    • @NooBiker
      @NooBiker 3 года назад

      @@PCERules all of them were Tories, though 😜

    • @PCERules
      @PCERules 3 года назад +2

      @@NooBiker the communist workers party would argue that one 🤣

  • @uonlyliveonce
    @uonlyliveonce 3 года назад +1

    If you're brought to court on an offence, that you prove to be not an offence, then you should be able to claim back any expenses you incurred proving your innocence.

  • @iallso1
    @iallso1 3 года назад

    I'm an enforcement officer and I totally agree with the point about the attitude test, you can possibly talk your way out of a notice but you can certainly talk your way into one.
    I am unlikely to get my knee down, at least deliberately, so the two offences (other than speeding) that the police seem to be watching for here are lifting the front wheel or sustained loss of traction, for both you will be walking home.

  • @granty1150gs
    @granty1150gs 3 года назад

    I live in the US and I got pulled for passing to many vehicles in one go...in a passing zone in North Carolina. He tried telling me I could only pass two vehicles at a time. I said give me a ticket that sounds like reckless driving, he gave me a verbal warning. I was actually disappointed because I knew he was full of crap.

  • @barryholden5774
    @barryholden5774 3 года назад +1

    I bet thats killed a lot of myths, i always thought "knee down" was dangerous driving/riding. Good video, thanks for sharing :)

  • @ragerider6283
    @ragerider6283 3 года назад +2

    Fascinating. Very interesting & helpful although I'm too crap to get me knee down so probably won't need to worry about it too much lol.

  • @zxrcol
    @zxrcol 3 года назад

    Do a track day and you will have your right knee down by the end of the morning, the left knee tends to take a little longer but when you can do it it’s excellent. And you do feel to be in better control of your bike.

  • @-DC-
    @-DC- 3 года назад +6

    Take me back to the 90's you wouldn't have stopped to even have the conversation 👻

  • @darralnolan5792
    @darralnolan5792 3 года назад +1

    Me, gene wilder and Michael fox had a similar conversation about 20 years ago, gene is still the only person I've ever seen riding a motorcycle whilst seated backwards going 130mph down the freeway.

  • @thesickening0169
    @thesickening0169 3 года назад

    In order to receive a ticket from a police officer, one must first pull over to allow the officer to make contact. So by deductive reasoning, if you don't pull over, you don't get a ticket!

  • @danchristiani
    @danchristiani 3 года назад +1

    From someone who lives in the US, you guys saying 'try explaining to the cop I was moving my contact patch' is a hilarious prospect. Y'all must have some considerate cops.

    • @lacrossev
      @lacrossev 3 года назад +1

      Trying to explain stuff to cops here is generally considered "being confrontational"

    • @maxflight777
      @maxflight777 3 года назад

      Some of the experienced ones are very good. we are lucky.

    • @thesled
      @thesled 3 года назад

      We move our contact patch cause we have corners 😂

  • @stewarth8390
    @stewarth8390 3 года назад +1

    Great advice but me being a novice, the closest I get to putting my knee down is when I do my Tyre pressures....

  • @garynewcombe1951
    @garynewcombe1951 3 года назад +3

    My chicken strips are as wide as kat slaters gash so I think I'm fine , usefull vid for some bikers though Al 👍

  • @fastnb
    @fastnb 3 года назад

    Great video!
    Getting your knee down and thus hanging off the bike or just draging your sliders on your boots, while not hanging of the bike. Makes about 3°degrees of lean angle difference.

  • @LambChopRides
    @LambChopRides 3 года назад

    Very good advice, do love this series 👍

  • @mbal4052
    @mbal4052 3 года назад

    If you want to get back to those Fast Bike days, come on over to N Ireland and join us for a bit of craic. That’s how we ride and have been for 20 years..my biking inspiration was those old Fast Bike videos 👊🏻💪

  • @Biker45461
    @Biker45461 3 года назад +3

    3:18.. Cracking shot!

  • @barryroberts2474
    @barryroberts2474 3 года назад

    For me, if you get your kneew down, it is likely you need to get your knee down, to successfully negotiate the bend. Therefore you must be going too fast. If you love to play, and I am an old bloke who still likes to play, go to the track. Ask yourself can I see the tractor with a huge plough on the back the other side of the bend? I sound like my granddad, maybe because I am a granddad, and I've survived motorcycling for a very long time! Great advice by the way, well done Al for producing this item, plenty of food for thought.

  • @rolandsmith2141
    @rolandsmith2141 3 года назад

    Knowledge is power.......great series, giving bikers the confidence to argue the toss with the the pigs may halt the stress of a pending court case by educating them on the spot

  • @ashleylee5445
    @ashleylee5445 3 года назад

    I bought a SRAD in 95 and on that very day never failed to get either knee down on the road. The bike & tyre is key for starters for anyone learning. I still do & I'm 53 now but there's a time and a place to ride these days its not what it was back in the 90's. Showing my age lol.

  • @willspeakman2461
    @willspeakman2461 3 года назад +1

    It probably depends on the bike and height of the rider as well. Some guys could get their knee down going granny speeds. Other people would have to be at 60 degrees lean for their knee to touch the ground.

  • @tylermurphy8075
    @tylermurphy8075 3 года назад +2

    Would love to hear one of these on all the ins and outs with exhausts, full systems, race cans. I’m sure there’s plenty who’d agree 😂

  • @aaron0288
    @aaron0288 3 года назад +3

    These have all been incredibly interesting and incredibly helpful 👍

  • @canisdocga284
    @canisdocga284 3 года назад +11

    Great video any chance of doing one on dark visors it's such a grey area

    • @thesled
      @thesled 3 года назад +6

      That would be good from a legal point of view. I always wear a dark visor but I also tuck my clear visor around my waist (above the hip) in case I get caught out. I was stopped once by plod who had a stern word about my visor while on a sunny day. When I took my clear visor out and showed him, he was surprised and he soon changed into happy copper. His words were that as long as I carried both it was no different from wearing sun glasses that could be removed if the weather got bad or it got dark. But if I wasn’t carrying a clear with me, it would be a similar offence to dickheads who tint their windscreens of their cars and drive around at night. That was from a good cop but it would be interesting to hear from whitedalton.

    • @witnesspropro
      @witnesspropro 3 года назад

      😆 Nice one. Was it meant to be a joke?

    • @canisdocga284
      @canisdocga284 3 года назад

      @@witnesspropro no it was an honest question but now I've read what I put I see where your coming from 🤣

    • @lmesen1873
      @lmesen1873 3 года назад

      @@thesled tucking a hard plastic object around your soft abdomen... what could go wrong

    • @thesled
      @thesled 3 года назад

      @@lmesen1873 no different from house keys and phones that everyone else puts in the inside pocket beside their ribs.

  • @eskertoo
    @eskertoo 3 года назад

    I don't ride as fast as Ago or Hailwood used to and they didn't get their knee down.I have seen some riders on the road adopt some strange body postures in search of this habit.They can often be found circling big roundabouts while a friend waits with camera at the ready to capture the wonderful moment!

  • @riderzinc
    @riderzinc 3 года назад

    It is more dangerous in my opinion, Your contact area is reduced, More chance of loss of traction. We hit a little roundabout spot in the summer for a bit of fun, Police have arrived before and just told us to stop if any other vehicles come by being a dead end road with a giant roundabout.

  • @Repsol1krr
    @Repsol1krr 8 месяцев назад

    Nice thoughts. If my knee is stuck to the pavement though, I’m definitely misbehaving significantly…
    This children, is why you scout the road like a reasonably prudent hooligan BEFORE you put on your mad hat 😊

  • @tailtidy8185
    @tailtidy8185 3 года назад

    Always fantastic, straight forward advice from @whitedalton. Thank you for these videos.

  • @6Twisted
    @6Twisted 3 года назад +4

    The law in this country is fucked when you need to spend thousands to defend yourself in court because you had a misinformed copper or failed their attitude test. The law has too much power.

  • @TommyBarnezTV
    @TommyBarnezTV 3 года назад +1

    Watching this is like watching a tutorial on how to defuse a bomb... information aimed at dudes that are much cooler than me

  • @oldfartuk
    @oldfartuk 3 года назад

    Kneedown on public highway can be dangerous.. as road conditions are unpredictable.. were track is obviously predictable

  • @jamiedaugherty1
    @jamiedaugherty1 3 года назад

    Although the laws in my country are different, these videos are facinating to watch.

  • @MrPninja
    @MrPninja Год назад

    What I found a few times is being able to get your knee down can literally save you from crashing, or over shooting a corner and going on the wrong side of the road, as my mate did a few years ago, he never had gotten his knee down and wasn’t used of that lean angle which made him over shoot the corner, where as was used of it and cleared the corner with ease

    • @FlexFast
      @FlexFast 11 месяцев назад +1

      The first time I dragged knee was in the street in sweat pants. And it 100% was necessary to prevent me from going wide. I hit a corner very hot and i had to do it. Felt incredible. Dragging knee hasn't felt like that for me since I over took a car and went upright which caused me to enter the corner late

  • @blue03r6
    @blue03r6 3 года назад

    I did it in front of a cop at deals gap here in the USA. he just stood there with his hand on his hips. never did anything about it.

  • @DrNat1
    @DrNat1 3 года назад

    I was not sure because the road was diesel covered and had to lean more in the corner to compensate for this.......

  • @petersykes8891
    @petersykes8891 3 года назад +1

    So what your saying is that if it looks odd you may get pulled,just like if a copper saw me reversing through maccies because my drivers side electric window is fu#k*d I might need to answer a few questions but it’s not illegal.thanks🇮🇲🇮🇲🇮🇲🇮🇲🇮🇲🇮🇲🇮🇲🇮🇲🇮🇲😬😬🏍🏍🏍🏍

  • @bigdave3289
    @bigdave3289 3 года назад

    Great vid...on the road I generally try to stay invisible to drivers in the sense that I’m not giving them cause for concern...just visible enough for them to be mindful

  • @Spongee-w1g
    @Spongee-w1g 3 года назад

    You didn't mention one other key thing and that is that by shifting your weight to the inside of the corner and ,in the extreme, getting your knee down actually means that, for any given speed, your lean angle is going to be less than it would be if you were to remain with your arse dead centre of the seat...

  • @string2307
    @string2307 3 года назад +1

    Well done lads 👏 a very informative and watchable video.

  • @OAK_MTN
    @OAK_MTN 3 года назад +1

    I've yet to ride on a road where you can go kneedown while riding at the speed limit in my area, but that was an interesting video for sure!

    • @ianwarren
      @ianwarren 2 года назад +1

      Have watched my son (Ex BSB racer) do it many times safely on the road well within speed limits, commonly on tight roundabouts. He isn’t doing it because he can just because it’s what is natural to him to judge lean angle.
      He’s also interesting to watch filtering through traffic he will stick his knee out as he passes a vehicle close so if it moves as he’s alongside he will feel it before he and the bike or nudged so he can evade the intrusion.
      These are all just habits from doing this on track during racing that do have potential benefits on road but road is definitely not the place to be ‘Trying’ to get you knee down for Cudos!

  • @lonhowell1
    @lonhowell1 3 года назад +1

    For a perfectly smooth track it's justifiable, not seen many roads where it seems sensible. Pot holed & rough road surfaces where I live. You run the risk of getting knocked off or dislocating your knee/hip.

    • @Jonathan-L
      @Jonathan-L 3 года назад

      What David Jones said! Most public roads where I live aren't that smooth. The corner apexes seem to have serious bumps, so if you are leaned right over and your wheels hit the bump, then you could get unsettled (at best). And in the city where the tight turns are on smooth surface; you really have to go to a lot of effort to get your body positioned for a knee-down moment, so it's hardly worth it for little advantage. I think Mike Hailwood had the right idea :)

  • @jimcadogan6723
    @jimcadogan6723 3 года назад

    Far better content than your Monday news features

  • @LinearElasticity
    @LinearElasticity 3 года назад

    Really loving this series - keep it going!!!

  • @rottieman347
    @rottieman347 3 года назад

    There is no offence of 'Knee Down'. An offence would be committed if the rider was deemed to be 'Not in a position to be in proper control', Dangerous, Reckless, Careless or inconsiderate driving/riding. It would be impossible to prove ' not in control ' unless you come off or cause other road users to deviate.

  • @maxflight777
    @maxflight777 3 года назад

    Forcing other drivers to change their course......There is a really good example of that on Stuart Fillingham’s channel. ( The Yorkshire plonker) pulls off a dangerous overtake and actually included it in his you tube channel as “advanced riding!”.

  • @cisium1184
    @cisium1184 3 года назад +2

    It almost always costs you less to avoid a showdown than to invite one and win. Fundamental rule of life, really.

  • @Robbie-mm8kx
    @Robbie-mm8kx 3 года назад

    Firstly great chanel gentle folk of the shire, obviously this one could spark alot of debate, knee down for me is track only or picking up a quid someones dropped, just a word of warning on knee down whilst road riding. Im a former fire officer and once spent an hour looking for a poor individuals detached head in a hawthorn bush. This was unfortunately a comination of knee down and a extended wing mirror on a car towing a caravan. Witnesses to the accident said the unfortunate party had not crossed the white line! So beware you never quite know what your gonna get on the road. Keep up good work boys, love the news desk!

  • @willrayment9544
    @willrayment9544 3 года назад

    Got caught by the police going round a roundabout with my knee down. Thought I was fudged as they were of the sparking type.. they pulled me, asked where I lived.. only 3 miles away. They told me if I want to do that sort of thing go back there and do it!... not the response I was expecting.. ok officer. Thank you.

  • @timtownsend7713
    @timtownsend7713 3 года назад

    All depends on the circumstances, driving below or far below that of a careful and competent driver/rider will get you some points dependant on the circs.

  • @baldrick650
    @baldrick650 3 года назад +1

    I've got a harley and can't lean more than 3° before scratching my pipes, but still an interesting video

  • @callumdean
    @callumdean 3 года назад

    Love these videos. Deffo missed these types of videos

  • @siraff4461
    @siraff4461 3 года назад

    As a follow on to this what about dragging other things like bits of the bike? I mean hero blobs are designed for it but what about if you're dragging the pegs, exhaust, frame?
    It sounds like you would be going mad but a lot of bikes (usually cruisers or other non-sporty bikes) can drag allsorts at even very mild lean angles and miles away from the limit of grip.

  • @mrfiftyfifty9974
    @mrfiftyfifty9974 3 года назад +2

    so if an uneducated police person took this to court, and you threw out all the stops and won the case, could you then take that police person to civil court for your unexpected solicitor fees?

    • @cisium1184
      @cisium1184 3 года назад

      Take him to court? Sure.
      Win in court? Probably not.
      In a civil suit, the issue would be his reasonableness in writing you up, not your legal culpability. You _might_ win if the cop was going way overboard, but most likely you'd just end up shelling out more money. Better to cut your losses than to double down.

  • @Daniel-gb9ex
    @Daniel-gb9ex 3 года назад +4

    I was actually looking into the physics of knee down/ body positioning earlier this week ou of curiosity and this is what I gathered (please if there's anyone that has greater knowledge of this stuff and can correct me on anything wrong I'd appreciate it)
    Imagine you're turning left in your car, what happens to your body ? It gets pushed to the outside of the turn, in this case to the right because of centripetal force.
    The same thing happens on a motorcycle, but since it only has two wheels that means the bike would simply fall to the right if it tried turning while completely upright.
    Now imagine your bike is stopped and you lean it to the left, what happens if you don't hold it up ? It will fall to the left, that's because you moved it's center of gravity to the left.
    That's why bikes lean into the corner, so the centripetal force of the corner forcing you out is balanced out by the "falling in" motion of the leaned bike.
    The more you lean your bike, the more the center of gravity moves to the left and thus, the greater the centripetal force it can counteract (ie, you can corner tighter or at higher speeds)
    By moving your body to the inside you are moving the center of gravity of the bike/rider system further to the inside of the corner and thus, for a fixed speed and corner radius, causing the falling in force to exceed the centripetal force of the turn.
    The way to bring the system back in balance is to lean less, bringing the center of gravity less to the inside and thus putting it in balance with the centripetal force of the corner.
    By hanging off you have to lean less and by leaning less you have a larger contact patch and the bike's suspension can work better (since they work up and down but not side to side) and thus are safer.

    • @flippy66
      @flippy66 8 месяцев назад +1

      Lol well done mate, now tell us that grass is green and the sky is blue 🤣 I was doing some research recently and discovered that motorcycle wheels are circular too!

    • @Daniel-gb9ex
      @Daniel-gb9ex 8 месяцев назад

      @@flippy66 no need to be a jerk, most people have no idea how it works and that's just something I felt made sense.

  • @Way-M
    @Way-M 3 года назад

    I’m glad this is back!

  • @Tolandur
    @Tolandur 3 года назад

    nice thing over here.... if you get dragged to court by the police and they rule that you are inocent of the charges..... State picks up the bill for your legal expenses.....

  • @sanxi34
    @sanxi34 3 года назад

    Lucky you brits!!! In Spain simply touching the knee to the ground os considered reckless driving, even though you could just bring your knee up and go faster. But regardless of how slow or fast you're going, touching the knee to the ground will land you a ticket for reckless driving

  • @HORNET6
    @HORNET6 3 года назад

    If a new bike is woefully under sprung and most of the travel is used by just sitting on the bike, could you claim that the bike is not fit for purpose?

  • @The1Dude1Abides
    @The1Dude1Abides 3 года назад +2

    It's funny that the law all depends on the police officer and his current mood, and even if you do challenge him they're banking on the fact you won't because if you win in court, it'll still cost you couple of grand. It's like wanking into oncoming wind

    • @jaystefano3265
      @jaystefano3265 3 года назад

      “It’s like wanking into oncoming wind” 👏🏼 😂😂 best comment I’ve read so far

  • @cw2002
    @cw2002 3 года назад

    14:05 it’s as if Al has actually seen me riding

  • @anthonywiseman174
    @anthonywiseman174 3 года назад

    Great points made . I always thought was eligal to put knee down. You explained well thanks ...

  • @philipbyrnes7501
    @philipbyrnes7501 3 года назад

    Also consider the general perception that, with the current popularity of motogp telecasts, people think that you only put your knee down if you are racing not riding normally. I’ve been riding for over 40 years now and, right up until his recent death, I could not convince my old man that you even needed to lean a motorcycle into a corner and by doing so you were being a hoon!! His logic?? In his storied youth he had ridden and raced push bikes for many years and had never, ever had to lean his push bike to go round corners. As this defies all logic and physics, I pressed deeper into his experiences. Turns out that he only ever rode and raced on fully banked, specially made tracks that were designed to get max speed out of the bikes without all that pesky leaning stuff. No matter how gently or carefully I tried to explain that there is a massive difference between cornering on a flat bit of road to a banked track and even pointed out kids riding their push bikes on the road nearby, he still insisted that they were being idiots and not riding them properly lol Oooooh so frustrating but y’get that at times lol so reception plays such a big role and often wins out over logic and sense. My dear old great Aunty Lilly had it right when she said so regularly, “The most uncommon thing in Australia is common sense”

  • @scottyuk
    @scottyuk 3 года назад

    All good about knee down. Also about the tyres have to cross solid whites for a nick - I previously thought no part of the rider or bike could be over the line. 👍

  • @simonstillborn4951
    @simonstillborn4951 3 года назад +1

    If I ever get a knee down on my Vstrom. I'm crashing 😂😂☠

    • @maxlutz3674
      @maxlutz3674 3 года назад +1

      Same thing with my Africa Twin. About two years ago a rider managed to get decapitated by a van about 10 miles from where I live. According to witnesses he did not have his knee down. He just had his upper body in the opposite lane.

    • @simonstillborn4951
      @simonstillborn4951 3 года назад

      @@maxlutz3674, holly fuck.

    • @maxlutz3674
      @maxlutz3674 3 года назад +2

      @@simonstillborn4951 Yeah. Leaning into the opposite lane is a bad habit. It´s bound to claim a toll.
      I religiously stay in my lane even when it costs me some speed. In a group ride I´d gladly wear the pacifier. You can´t enjoy tomorrow´s ride if you don´t survive today.

  • @enoz.j3506
    @enoz.j3506 2 года назад

    I once got both knees down at the same time,when my bike seat collapsed,proper drag race that was.