For anyone coming across this subject for the first time, please note that this historian is giving HIS OWN interpretation of the sources. For example, the historian says that people in Alexander’s time would’ve understood the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus to be romantic, but this is actually a debated topic. Other classical and Hellenistic historians believe it was about a close friendship
We do not choose whom we love. It exist without us knowing why or understanding where it came from. I think the mutual love between Alexander and Hephaestion was amazing!
There is no solid evidence that he was gay with his friend, but it’s all speculation. However, there is solid evidence that he had a childhood friend who was with him in battle, etc. thus, he known him his whole life, so he gave him an elaborate funeral, was sad for his friend dying. There is solid evidence that he in fact was with several women. He was married to women more than once, in fact 3 times and even became a dad, got one of them pregnant. According to Arrian, Alexander married Hephaestion to his wife's sister Drypetis.
This is very interesting! It is so pleasant to see someone so passionate about it and so knowledgeable. 👂⚡️Only one thing at 41:46 the proper terminology is Hieroglyphs or Hieroglyphic symbols.
The classic biography Alexander the Great and His Time by Agnes Savill says there was no evidence of Alexander being homosexual. He had wives and bore children with them. There are no contemporary sources that prove he was homosexual. Only later slanders written long after his death. When Philoxenes offered him two young boys, Alexander said, “What evil has he seen in me that he should purchase such evil creatures? Tell the dealer to take his wares to hell.” pp. 210-211. That doesn’t like someone interested in males to me. Many of the pieces of evidence offered here are circumstantial. It is very difficult to prove homosexuality in the ancient world. Most of these relationships were kept private. Close friendship among males does not necessarily mean a sexual relationship. The fact that Alexander rejected a prostitute offered by his parents proves nothing. He may have just been to embarrassed, not ready, or simply didn’t like her.
And Alexender in the same chapter REJECT women? Ur point is? His refusal is evidence of self-control not his fucking preference! This is the massage by Plutarch. So cope and seethe Alexender was gay as hell
Hmm, Andrew a lot of the evidence on the two being lovers is of a secondary, deriviative and hearsay nature. What is actually written in the primary sources indicates a deep friendship and codependency but there is no talk of it being sexual. Please correct me if I am wrong
You are not wrong...in many ancient greek instances friends are described as lovers...as a greek I can understand thay we build insane brotherhood bonds with other men...but we are homies not lovers dafuq
Great host and guest, thank you for this episode!
This was really cool, very interesting, very engaging, please keep up the awesome work!!!
That was great!!
Correction, Alexander's wives were not Greek they were the Bactrian Roxanne and his other two wives were Persian.
For anyone coming across this subject for the first time, please note that this historian is giving HIS OWN interpretation of the sources. For example, the historian says that people in Alexander’s time would’ve understood the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus to be romantic, but this is actually a debated topic. Other classical and Hellenistic historians believe it was about a close friendship
We do not choose whom we love. It exist without us knowing why or understanding where it came from. I think the mutual love between Alexander and Hephaestion was amazing!
There is no solid evidence that he was gay with his friend, but it’s all speculation. However, there is solid evidence that he had a childhood friend who was with him in battle, etc. thus, he known him his whole life, so he gave him an elaborate funeral, was sad for his friend dying. There is solid evidence that he in fact was with several women. He was married to women more than once, in fact 3 times and even became a dad, got one of them pregnant. According to Arrian, Alexander married Hephaestion to his wife's sister Drypetis.
This is very interesting! It is so pleasant to see someone so passionate about it and so knowledgeable. 👂⚡️Only one thing at 41:46 the proper terminology is Hieroglyphs or
Hieroglyphic symbols.
Hieroglyphics (noun) is the writing system which uses hieroglyphs.
Thank you for this video
The classic biography Alexander the Great and His Time by Agnes Savill says there was no evidence of Alexander being homosexual. He had wives and bore children with them. There are no contemporary sources that prove he was homosexual. Only later slanders written long after his death. When Philoxenes offered him two young boys, Alexander said, “What evil has he seen in me that he should purchase such evil creatures? Tell the dealer to take his wares to hell.” pp. 210-211. That doesn’t like someone interested in males to me. Many of the pieces of evidence offered here are circumstantial. It is very difficult to prove homosexuality in the ancient world. Most of these relationships were kept private. Close friendship among males does not necessarily mean a sexual relationship. The fact that Alexander rejected a prostitute offered by his parents proves nothing. He may have just been to embarrassed, not ready, or simply didn’t like her.
you're coping so hard
Bro it’s not about historical accuracy… it’s about “representation” and to rewrite the story to fit modern audiences
@@mercistephens7325 no hunny that would be you
@@weeee2457 lol not you crying with him
And Alexender in the same chapter REJECT women? Ur point is? His refusal is evidence of self-control not his fucking preference! This is the massage by Plutarch. So cope and seethe Alexender was gay as hell
Hmm, Andrew a lot of the evidence on the two being lovers is of a secondary, deriviative and hearsay nature. What is actually written in the primary sources indicates a deep friendship and codependency but there is no talk of it being sexual. Please correct me if I am wrong
You are not wrong...in many ancient greek instances friends are described as lovers...as a greek I can understand thay we build insane brotherhood bonds with other men...but we are homies not lovers dafuq
No it’s not lmao. He was gay you will never change a fact. So cope and seethe
Of all the crazy shit he has done in his life, this is what people keep wondering about. The way you guys say Hephaestion and Patroclus :(
Nah. That’s history
Nothing great about sin
Go chastise somewhere else cause I can guarantee you aren’t 100% perfect either.
Wonderful!