I don't think Firefox ESR sacrifices security patches. I think the point is to provide a browser with a periodic freeze between feature updates and with an overlap so organisations have time to preview the next version prior to rollout while still being patched for security. So for a person who needs to use their computer for tasks without application behaviour suddenly changing unexpectedly it may be their preferred choice. I am currently using the Mozilla repo (well PPA) to receive the Firefox ESR as a deb on Ubuntu instead of the snap version and this arrangement works well for that purpose.
I flatpak Firefox. It helps a little bit more, even though it requires a few things outside the sandbox. I just won't deal with Snap, it's daemon, the use of apparmor which is tedious to me. Chrome engine = QUIC telemetry, so no on that.
What I like about Thorium is that the hardware acceleration works on Linux as opposed to chromium and chrome which both are constantly being broken or disabled by unusual choices by Google.
Running regular Firefox as a Flatpak is probably the most secure way to go, at least as far as Gecko browsers on bare metal are concerned (if you count a mostly isolated DistroBox container as bare metal, then one of those dedicated for Firefox would be superior). The Firefox Flatpak is what I’m doing. It would take more than speed to make me trade that in.
Librewolf is good enough. "Fast" isn't even a claim anymore because speed goes beyond your web browser, it's how it handles the increasingly shitty internet.
As a software engineer I've been using Google Chrome as my main browser for last 10 years. I was on a front-end project with Angular framework. The Chrome developer tools blew every other browser away as far as features. I still have Firefox, Opera, Edge, etc... just for testing purposes when creating a website. And BTW... Chromium will let you log in with google account... I run it on my Linux machines.
Chromium is made for spying ha ha. Or, Google gives you a very fast browser for free just because it's is so kind. Lemme see which one could it be..? :D
Well, a browser must be a private and secure thing because most of us are on this software every day, and thorium is managed by a single developer. He may be very good at work, but I can't trust that browser as my daily driver may be a secondary browser. But for a secondary browser, I will choose privacy and anonymity the most. But apart from what we browse beside our regular daily browser, we don't need performance there; we need privacy, right? After Chris's video, I also tried that browser, and it didn't feel like a massive upgrade.
Comparing things in the Linux world is this man's job, and I enjoy the way he presents. But I always wonder how other people doing normal, everyday jobs, who worry a lot about being a software version behind or whether their app choice is one microsecond faster or slower than someone else's, get any real-world work done. The speed stuff is interesting, but unless I'm using two different browsers at the same moment to do something, I'm never going to be thinking, "Hmmm, my browser is slower than Brand X". There's a lot of unproductive stress over microseconds.
>The speed stuff is interesting, but unless I'm using two different browsers at the same moment... my background getting into such performance debates was from things that genuinely just felt SLOW on their own. First intro from gaming, then internet speeds loading my first large media, later loading times from applications, OS boot time... based on that, I've taken to regularly checking my most used software for faster alternatives. Often differences measure in low %s, or miniscule absolute values where "70% faster" is meaningless. But sometimes there's a real benefit there to discover.
i got an idea while watching this. If improvements are mostly caused by compiler options maybe i should just try different firefox builds. Also i remembered cachyos which is supposedly an Arch Linux with some compiler optimized packages. Turned out they have a docker container you can use in distrobox so i decided to run in on top of my nixos and also throw in some fedora and flatpak for good measure so here's what i got nixos native (wayland) 215 cachyos distrobox arch repo - normal arch firefox (xwayland) 270 cachyos distrobox cachyos-v3 repo - firefox-wayland-cachy-ng (wayland) 260 cachyos distrobox cachyos-v3 repo - cachy-browser (xwayland) - one run got me 175 but others show "Infinity" which must be some random bug cause Infinity is what you get when dividing by zero in javascript. It looks really slow tho, i guess they care about librewolf style privacy changes over performance in that browser from short description in the repos flatpak (xwayland) 270 flatpak (wayland) 269 fedora distrobox (wayland) 250 so nothing crazy has happened but still kinda interesting
The whole point of this project is you can still have all your Google stuff and tech and you don't have to make sacrifices on that front. A lot of people need these services for work related and education related services. It does add some privacy stuff to make a better Google chrome experience. The website makes that very clear and and that's how you should be treating this project.
@@TheLinuxCast when did I say anything about the fastest claim or said you made anything up? I made my analysis on all the tweaks information provided on its site and GitHub. Not by a tagline
I use a browser whose name gets my comments deleted, but we all know its the one with the orange lion icon. But I don't use any browser-specific features of it. I could easily switch to vivaldi. I just don't know if I need all those features it offers.
I download this browser on an old laptop that I use to use but stop because of the slow and lag while browsing, Firefox and chrome was jus a nightmare, but after installing thorium I was blown away, no buffering on 1080 RUclips videos... Wow. I still use edge on my new laptop and it works fine.. But I'm impressed with the Thorium, it is fast
The reason I use thorium is on my setup with my ISP bandwidth it is considerably faster than chrome, I like the Google account integration as I makes it easier when browsing across my multiple devices to access history and bookmarks, there could be a better way to sync history and bookmarks across devices and browsers but haven't found it yet
I've been trying this out and am potentially interested in using it for personal browsing... just hesitant to use it long term, considering it seems to be a one man band.
@@TheLinuxCast Aren't we usually "running away" from companies that are doing that exact same thing? "It's not our problem since we didn't claim it's safe"
I've been trying mercury and it's been good so far but my biggest concern is it will always be a version behind main firefox. This is probably true with all firefox forks to one degree or another.
Thorium ate too much ram while watching videos in my Arch laptop. Pros: Out of box vaapi support Cons: Don't really feel faster loading youtube videos compared to firefox.
I tried Thorium and had a handful of admittedly small but annoying issues. First was GNOME just did not see Thorium as an option for default browser unless I told Thorium to make itself the default browser. Second was I had to fight with the .desktop file to make Thorium able to be pinned to the GNOME dash. Third was even with Thorium as the default browser whenever I tried to open a link from, say, Thunderbird it would just open a blank new window of Thorium and not the actual link. Mercury had the same problems and I didn’t even bother fixing any of them after all the time wasted with Thorium. Chromium, Firefox, GNOME Web, Brave, etc never had these problems.
its all relative, all about connection and hardware, i just run this exact test with brave and firefox (brave with flag disabled all crypto shit, and completely stock out-of-box firefox), results are 303 for brave and 182 firefox
Really like your videos. You’re not a self-entitled linuxoid like most of linux youtubers. You tell the truth about pain points and don’t tell people “just code it yourself, bro”. Thank you.
I've been using this browser since CTT reviewed it and it's been alright. I haven't really seen a difference coming from Chrome but that's just because I have a low-end laptop with mediocre internet connection.
MS switched to Chromium base because Google / RUclips was punishing them unfairly based on their browser engine. They were doing underhanded stuff to mess with them on purpose.
All browsers suck because they rely on the internet, and the internet is just an awful cobbled together mess. That said Qutebrowser is pretty good so I primarily use that with Firefox as a backup.
Flatpak version of Brave running on Guix Wayland. 309 +/- 6.9, Native version of NYXT also running on Guix Wayland, 237 +/- 3.3 I wasn't aware of this benchmark...thanks for the video.
I've started testing it recently, as of now, I'm having good experience... Really enjoyed your recent podcast episode.. you got a new fan of your podcast..
I just tried Vivaldi on my PC with many tabs and other stuff opened on the side and scored 267... to be fair though, the speedometer version is 2.1 and in your video it's 2.0. (also on Windows 11)
What features do people even use on a browser? The only thing I ever use is a "home button", and the feature to set google search as the homepage. Also bookmark feature, and history. Thats it, and I think all of them have these.
Thorium wins. Hardware acceleration actually works right. It really, really works right. That's where it makes the biggest impact imho. If you're dumb enough to actually use the non-secure features, that's on you, not the people who left it there IF you want to use them, because some people just have to have them. :)
Safety absolutely comes first. As a second point, are Chrome browsers relevant for work, taxes etc. ??? For new machines, execution time is irrelevant. My *old* , laptop, CPU P9700, 4GB DDR2, SSD, network WiFi6, Debian Linux, can only play RUclips videos in 720p without stalling with UnGoogled Chrome. For security reasons, I use Librewolf or Palemoon via VPN or Fennec Forks for everything else on all devices. The telemetry alone on most Chrome-based browsers is hair-raising. With Palemoon and Librewolf the telemetry issue does not arise.
I ran this test on Vivaldi - idle: 298 (it took about couple of minutes), 4 tabs open, TLC is playing - took 3 minutes, the result - 283. Librewolf (a bit more than a minute) idle - infinity. I'd like to try Thorium - what will be the result? :)
I have Thorium works great but I don't need the extra milliseconds performance. when I run computations I shut down all applications and use a secondary computer to run browser activity.
I have used mercury for a couple weeks and its fine. My default browser has been Firefox that is hardened and optimized thanks to a video tutorial from mental outlaw. I never ran a benchmark but based on my eyes there doesn't seem to be that big of a difference. I just prefer ff over chrome just because of Google and it's dominance in the tech. I also like using forks of ff because I like supporting the "little guys" because so much of tech is controlled by only a handful of companies and devs. That's one of the reasons I switched to linux
I like when a site loads slow because it reminds me that the internet is cobbled together by people who are just trying to use tools and standards in ways and at scales that they were never designed for the first place just because it was kind of fun at first.
This must've been recorded last week because even I'm already on 119. When I was on the Raspberry Pi, I had an older ESR version and it never got updated. By the time I moved back to a regular desktop it was slower than molasses in a freezer. Since I've been back on a desktop I just installed the official binaries from Mozilla and I update it every time it says there's a new update. As far as trusting third parties, I don't even trust first parties. As far as browsers being hard, that's because web technologies are such garbage that it makes it harder to implement them.
@@TheLinuxCast Yep, but only if you update it. In 5 years time I never once updated my Pi, and just a few days ago when I installed Slackware 15 is the first time in 2 and a half years that I updated this computer. In fact, while I've been using this computer, FireFox is the only program that I've consistently updated.
@@TheLinuxCast I ran it on a few different aged PC and the faster the computer the faster the score. but I could see internet and wifi being why the older ones were slower!
I'm new to using Linux. I have an ancient laptop that is running Linux Mint like a champ. I wanted to try the Thorium browser. I installed the browser, but I can't get the browser to open. Is this common? Help!
for me brave seems to be faster than thorium, at least when it's loaded down with extensions. so thorium maybe if you don't use extensions, or want google sync.
ESR versions receive security patches, Matt was wrong on that. They're really not behind. It's just easier for them to make releases on the versions that are out once every 3 ? 4 ? 6 ? months, instead of the 3 ? weeks ones.
I remember back in 2010 or 2011 opera was the quickest main browser by far I was afraid of it cuz I didn't understand why it was so quick as a child I didn't know much well now puffin is obviously the quickest page Loading browser in all he realm of possibility there just isn't faster cuz it uses special technology while others don't have such a Advanced system to run off of so clearly even though there's various browsers with high Level Loading speed puffin easily beats all of them cuz it's not using basic optimizations good Luck beating it
An optimized software is not only faster but also efficient on battery. and at times, even 30 minutes extra on battery can mean a lot. I would be interested in seeing how these optimizations affect the battery time.
I don't think Firefox ESR sacrifices security patches.
I think the point is to provide a browser with a periodic freeze between feature updates and with an overlap so organisations have time to preview the next version prior to rollout while still being patched for security.
So for a person who needs to use their computer for tasks without application behaviour suddenly changing unexpectedly it may be their preferred choice.
I am currently using the Mozilla repo (well PPA) to receive the Firefox ESR as a deb on Ubuntu instead of the snap version and this arrangement works well for that purpose.
You are of course correct. Firefox ESR does get security updates.
I'm using the binary myself lol
I wanted to write exactly that, happy to see it's the first comment, lol.
I flatpak Firefox. It helps a little bit more, even though it requires a few things outside the sandbox. I just won't deal with Snap, it's daemon, the use of apparmor which is tedious to me. Chrome engine = QUIC telemetry, so no on that.
If you install firefox and firefox ESR, you dont get any difference. Same with firefox and firefox beta. Firefox seems to be lazy or careless.
What I like about Thorium is that the hardware acceleration works on Linux as opposed to chromium and chrome which both are constantly being broken or disabled by unusual choices by Google.
Oh and Mercury is also by Thorium dev/devs ❤
A comparison to mainline Chromium would have been great
and vs edge too
@@gornostai4ik_lol Edge? What is that? Oh the weird browser from Microsoft... Who likes Edge?
@@burningpho3nix its an alright browser ngl
Running regular Firefox as a Flatpak is probably the most secure way to go, at least as far as Gecko browsers on bare metal are concerned (if you count a mostly isolated DistroBox container as bare metal, then one of those dedicated for Firefox would be superior). The Firefox Flatpak is what I’m doing. It would take more than speed to make me trade that in.
Same here!
i trust firefox with my life
@@tacokoneko I would not go that far 🙈
@@tacokoneko You better reduce that trust...
distrobox is not isolated or secure as far as I know, and they explicitly state that it's not what it's for.
Librewolf is good enough. "Fast" isn't even a claim anymore because speed goes beyond your web browser, it's how it handles the increasingly shitty internet.
As a software engineer I've been using Google Chrome as my main browser for last 10 years. I was on a front-end project with Angular framework. The Chrome developer tools blew every other browser away as far as features. I still have Firefox, Opera, Edge, etc... just for testing purposes when creating a website. And BTW... Chromium will let you log in with google account... I run it on my Linux machines.
Chromium is made for spying ha ha. Or, Google gives you a very fast browser for free just because it's is so kind. Lemme see which one could it be..? :D
Well, a browser must be a private and secure thing because most of us are on this software every day, and thorium is managed by a single developer. He may be very good at work, but I can't trust that browser as my daily driver may be a secondary browser. But for a secondary browser, I will choose privacy and anonymity the most. But apart from what we browse beside our regular daily browser, we don't need performance there; we need privacy, right? After Chris's video, I also tried that browser, and it didn't feel like a massive upgrade.
Comparing things in the Linux world is this man's job, and I enjoy the way he presents. But I always wonder how other people doing normal, everyday jobs, who worry a lot about being a software version behind or whether their app choice is one microsecond faster or slower than someone else's, get any real-world work done. The speed stuff is interesting, but unless I'm using two different browsers at the same moment to do something, I'm never going to be thinking, "Hmmm, my browser is slower than Brand X". There's a lot of unproductive stress over microseconds.
>The speed stuff is interesting, but unless I'm using two different browsers at the same moment...
my background getting into such performance debates was from things that genuinely just felt SLOW on their own. First intro from gaming, then internet speeds loading my first large media, later loading times from applications, OS boot time...
based on that, I've taken to regularly checking my most used software for faster alternatives.
Often differences measure in low %s, or miniscule absolute values where "70% faster" is meaningless. But sometimes there's a real benefit there to discover.
i got an idea while watching this. If improvements are mostly caused by compiler options maybe i should just try different firefox builds. Also i remembered cachyos which is supposedly an Arch Linux with some compiler optimized packages. Turned out they have a docker container you can use in distrobox so i decided to run in on top of my nixos and also throw in some fedora and flatpak for good measure
so here's what i got
nixos native (wayland) 215
cachyos distrobox arch repo - normal arch firefox (xwayland) 270
cachyos distrobox cachyos-v3 repo - firefox-wayland-cachy-ng (wayland) 260
cachyos distrobox cachyos-v3 repo - cachy-browser (xwayland) - one run got me 175 but others show "Infinity" which must be some random bug cause Infinity is what you get when dividing by zero in javascript. It looks really slow tho, i guess they care about librewolf style privacy changes over performance in that browser from short description in the repos
flatpak (xwayland) 270
flatpak (wayland) 269
fedora distrobox (wayland) 250
so nothing crazy has happened but still kinda interesting
Friend, how can I do that in Windows?
The whole point of this project is you can still have all your Google stuff and tech and you don't have to make sacrifices on that front. A lot of people need these services for work related and education related services. It does add some privacy stuff to make a better Google chrome experience. The website makes that very clear and and that's how you should be treating this project.
The website literally says Fastest Browser on Earth.
So don’t tell me I’m making it up.
@@TheLinuxCast when did I say anything about the fastest claim or said you made anything up? I made my analysis on all the tweaks information provided on its site and GitHub. Not by a tagline
News hit hard.. Shani Luk R.I.P
It's just the other way around. Firefox ESR skips feature updates, hence the freeze on the main version number. It still gets security patches.
Puma Browser is pretty fast as well. I like Valvaldi as well.
5:30 SEIZURE WARNING ⚠️
bro said seizure warning 💀
I use a browser whose name gets my comments deleted, but we all know its the one with the orange lion icon. But I don't use any browser-specific features of it. I could easily switch to vivaldi. I just don't know if I need all those features it offers.
I download this browser on an old laptop that I use to use but stop because of the slow and lag while browsing, Firefox and chrome was jus a nightmare, but after installing thorium I was blown away, no buffering on 1080 RUclips videos... Wow. I still use edge on my new laptop and it works fine.. But I'm impressed with the Thorium, it is fast
The reason I use thorium is on my setup with my ISP bandwidth it is considerably faster than chrome, I like the Google account integration as I makes it easier when browsing across my multiple devices to access history and bookmarks, there could be a better way to sync history and bookmarks across devices and browsers but haven't found it yet
I tried the website used in this video, and the results of the tests ran on my firefox browser was 205 with ±4.3
amazing!
Literally every browser is fast enough, just go for the one you used or have the features you like
I've been trying this out and am potentially interested in using it for personal browsing... just hesitant to use it long term, considering it seems to be a one man band.
Oh man, my browser is so slow! It takes like 1 second to load..1 second!
I would use Thorium if it had Workspaces like Vivaldi or Opera. But it doesn't.
fastest things aren't safest.
It doesn't really claim to be the most private, so it's not lying.
Tbh no browser can fix the problems with the internet as a whole, such as search getting worse and web design getting more pretentious.
its basically vanilla chrome with hardware acceleration on steroids
@@TheLinuxCastPrivacy != Safety
@@TheLinuxCast Aren't we usually "running away" from companies that are doing that exact same thing?
"It's not our problem since we didn't claim it's safe"
I've been trying mercury and it's been good so far but my biggest concern is it will always be a version behind main firefox. This is probably true with all firefox forks to one degree or another.
I like Firefox.
Thorium ate too much ram while watching videos in my Arch laptop.
Pros: Out of box vaapi support
Cons: Don't really feel faster loading youtube videos compared to firefox.
I tried Thorium and had a handful of admittedly small but annoying issues. First was GNOME just did not see Thorium as an option for default browser unless I told Thorium to make itself the default browser. Second was I had to fight with the .desktop file to make Thorium able to be pinned to the GNOME dash. Third was even with Thorium as the default browser whenever I tried to open a link from, say, Thunderbird it would just open a blank new window of Thorium and not the actual link. Mercury had the same problems and I didn’t even bother fixing any of them after all the time wasted with Thorium.
Chromium, Firefox, GNOME Web, Brave, etc never had these problems.
its all relative, all about connection and hardware, i just run this exact test with brave and firefox (brave with flag disabled all crypto shit, and completely stock out-of-box firefox), results are 303 for brave and 182 firefox
Really like your videos. You’re not a self-entitled linuxoid like most of linux youtubers. You tell the truth about pain points and don’t tell people “just code it yourself, bro”. Thank you.
thorium on top!
It's the only Chromium-based browser that has full hardware acceleration on Wayland + NVidia. So that's what it has going for it, which is nice ... :)
true
I've been using this browser since CTT reviewed it and it's been alright. I haven't really seen a difference coming from Chrome but that's just because I have a low-end laptop with mediocre internet connection.
it was slower than chrome in my i5 11th gen laptop
We serve the world's best cup of coffee... and so does the guy down the street on the corner.
MS switched to Chromium base because Google / RUclips was punishing them unfairly based on their browser engine. They were doing underhanded stuff to mess with them on purpose.
A lot of chromium based browsers don't quite work. This one does.
i gave up on web browsers i realized the problem is infact the web.
All browsers suck because they rely on the internet, and the internet is just an awful cobbled together mess.
That said Qutebrowser is pretty good so I primarily use that with Firefox as a backup.
Flatpak version of Brave running on Guix Wayland. 309 +/- 6.9, Native version of NYXT also running on Guix Wayland, 237 +/- 3.3
I wasn't aware of this benchmark...thanks for the video.
I've started testing it recently, as of now, I'm having good experience...
Really enjoyed your recent podcast episode.. you got a new fan of your podcast..
Just tried Thorium. Scored 115. Brave and Chrome scored 125 and 129 respectively.
For me...running LInux MInt... Thorium was 178, Firefox 115 and Chromium 187
brodie made a good video relating to thorium
How does Thorium compare with Pale Moon?
I just tried Vivaldi on my PC with many tabs and other stuff opened on the side and scored 267... to be fair though, the speedometer version is 2.1 and in your video it's 2.0. (also on Windows 11)
That benchmark is funny.
Thorium scored 171. Firefox - 178.
What features do people even use on a browser? The only thing I ever use is a "home button", and the feature to set google search as the homepage. Also bookmark feature, and history. Thats it, and I think all of them have these.
Call me crazy, but I use Microsoft edge on arch. It's just a fantastic feature rich and fast browser. Great pdf viewer as well!
Yes Edge's pdf viewer >>>>>>
I do as well. I seek balanced work flow between privacy and confidentiality.
I like the KDE Konqueror browser.
Thorium wins. Hardware acceleration actually works right. It really, really works right. That's where it makes the biggest impact imho. If you're dumb enough to actually use the non-secure features, that's on you, not the people who left it there IF you want to use them, because some people just have to have them. :)
Is this a Peugeot 404 1963 speedometer?
Speedometer2.0 could easily reach 400+ for Safari on a MacOS
and more if we use Webkit-based Orion.
Really great video dude, Keep it up !
Safety absolutely comes first.
As a second point, are Chrome browsers relevant for work, taxes etc. ???
For new machines, execution time is irrelevant. My *old* , laptop, CPU P9700, 4GB DDR2, SSD, network WiFi6, Debian Linux, can only play RUclips videos in 720p without stalling with UnGoogled Chrome.
For security reasons, I use Librewolf or Palemoon via VPN or Fennec Forks for everything else on all devices.
The telemetry alone on most Chrome-based browsers is hair-raising. With Palemoon and Librewolf the telemetry issue does not arise.
I ran this test on Vivaldi - idle: 298 (it took about couple of minutes), 4 tabs open, TLC is playing - took 3 minutes, the result - 283. Librewolf (a bit more than a minute) idle - infinity. I'd like to try Thorium - what will be the result? :)
I wonder how lynx would perform regarding speed 🤔😄
I have Thorium works great but I don't need the extra milliseconds performance.
when I run computations I shut down all applications and use a secondary computer to run browser activity.
and don't forget that mercury is firefox esr based....
My regular firefox score is 195. hmm...
my edge scores 325 on this test (thorium around 210 on my pc)
Tested on my m1 macmini: safari=381, thorium=281, firefox=200. later i will test on my opensuse main.
You use old Firefox 118 not 119, LibreWolf better you need to test it.
I used the same test on my M1 mac using Firefox and got a score of 330.
I have used mercury for a couple weeks and its fine. My default browser has been Firefox that is hardened and optimized thanks to a video tutorial from mental outlaw. I never ran a benchmark but based on my eyes there doesn't seem to be that big of a difference. I just prefer ff over chrome just because of Google and it's dominance in the tech. I also like using forks of ff because I like supporting the "little guys" because so much of tech is controlled by only a handful of companies and devs. That's one of the reasons I switched to linux
My install of Firefox on Manjaro scored 196, right up there with Thorium.
but you can't compare ur score with his
and brave topples all of these scores.
i have never seen a healthy linux user
S.O.-2.1 scored 227 in Vivaldi on Arco.. Ryzen 9 6900HX. CPU speed is clearly a factor.
Also number of open tabs.
I like when a site loads slow because it reminds me that the internet is cobbled together by people who are just trying to use tools and standards in ways and at scales that they were never designed for the first place just because it was kind of fun at first.
And now a sizable chunk of our economy rests on this jury rigged mess 😭😭🤣 Love it, no notes, one of the funniest things we've ever done as a society.
Mercury browser is a Trojan...
My Vivaldi shows 220
i install thorium on mxlinux but it is not executing for some reason, can some one help
This must've been recorded last week because even I'm already on 119. When I was on the Raspberry Pi, I had an older ESR version and it never got updated. By the time I moved back to a regular desktop it was slower than molasses in a freezer. Since I've been back on a desktop I just installed the official binaries from Mozilla and I update it every time it says there's a new update. As far as trusting third parties, I don't even trust first parties. As far as browsers being hard, that's because web technologies are such garbage that it makes it harder to implement them.
It was recorded last week. And I did get the esr thing wrong, security updates do come along.
@@TheLinuxCast Yep, but only if you update it. In 5 years time I never once updated my Pi, and just a few days ago when I installed Slackware 15 is the first time in 2 and a half years that I updated this computer. In fact, while I've been using this computer, FireFox is the only program that I've consistently updated.
FesterBrowser is really fast but i dont like the old looking gui Thorium is also good
How can I update the Thorium browser, thank you very much brother.
How did you install it?
I got 302 speedometer 2.0 , 320 speedometer 2.1, on chromium. I am not worried about switching.
You should try running speedometer on thorium now and see how it goes, because your machine clearly is influencing the results
@@WildVoltorb speedo 2.0 416, 2.1 473. My machine is a 7950x connected to gigabit internet.
Okay your score is 200. I got 285 on chrome and 310 on safari on my m1 Mancini. How old is your hardware?
lol not old. But there are other factors. Internet speed. Tabs open. Things like that.
@@TheLinuxCast sure, but it just shows the processing power of Apple's M-series processors more than other factors.
@@TheLinuxCast I ran it on a few different aged PC and the faster the computer the faster the score. but I could see internet and wifi being why the older ones were slower!
I'm new to using Linux. I have an ancient laptop that is running Linux Mint like a champ. I wanted to try the Thorium browser. I installed the browser, but I can't get the browser to open. Is this common? Help!
I did run a few benchmarks and for me Brave is even faster than Thorium.
I ran google chrome with a lot of stuff in the background and still got 250 lol
what do you like about vivaldi
for me brave seems to be faster than thorium, at least when it's loaded down with extensions. so thorium maybe if you don't use extensions, or want google sync.
i got 367 on google chrome on my laptop.
I think you need to include a seizure warning - during the test, the screen is flashing.
I am pretty sure Speedometer was created by Apple’s Safari team.
Why do you think so?
Safari on iOS 15.x gives me a 42.9 +/- 1.3
@@zizlog_sound Also, you're on iOS 15. iOS 17 is the latest. Not only that, a phone is slower than a PC.
@@realahnafhabib Probably using an old phone like an iPhone 6s. Speedometer on my iPhone 13 scores higher than my Ryzen 7 5800X3D PC (408 vs. 355)
@@hpalvz My iPhone 14 Pro gets 372. Chrome on Linux easily surpasses 400 on a i5-12400.
wow thorium its really fast in athlon 2 x3 (rana) with 4gb ram archlinux system, 5400 rpm old hdd, nicee
You should have put an "epileptic warning" at 5:26.
I admire the efforts of developers of these, but they lag behind official browser releases too much... too much of a window for zero day exploits.
ESR versions receive security patches, Matt was wrong on that. They're really not behind. It's just easier for them to make releases on the versions that are out once every 3 ? 4 ? 6 ? months, instead of the 3 ? weeks ones.
Nope firefox is actually faster because you don't wait for ads to finish playing
Oh well...
has ads
If it is Chromium-based, it will by default never be the "fastest"
sse3 etc stop saying stuff
If it ain't libre fox, or private browser brave browser type of web surfing software well then I'm not interested.
I remember back in 2010 or 2011 opera was the quickest main browser by far I was afraid of it cuz I didn't understand why it was so quick as a child I didn't know much well now puffin is obviously the quickest page Loading browser in all he realm of possibility there just isn't faster cuz it uses special technology while others don't have such a Advanced system to run off of so clearly even though there's various browsers with high Level Loading speed puffin easily beats all of them cuz it's not using basic optimizations good Luck beating it
i use waterfox and tempest ... yoga dns with next dns server..😀😀
one nuggie thumbs up for you
i dont like throium because its on a old version
I got 182 on firefox so yeah..
Thorium got 140 on my laptop
It is very hardware dependent, which I should have said in the video
@@TheLinuxCast Yeah and I also think having a lot of extensions loaded all the time might affect the scores.
You need to test Google chrome LOL
need Edge and Chrome
An optimized software is not only faster but also efficient on battery. and at times, even 30 minutes extra on battery can mean a lot.
I would be interested in seeing how these optimizations affect the battery time.
Pain in the butt to update tho, didn't actually liked it