The shock in the courtroom. Especially the doctor. The concerned look appeared almost instantly the moment she read "two to four". He knew he wrote the instructions. The prosecutors knew he wrote the instructions. Not one expected the girl to read it wrongly.
it reminds me of that story I heard about the toddler who went rooting around in his mother's purse, found the gun she uses for self-defense, and, thinking it was a toy, shot her, killing her instantly.
The worst part is, her parents don't know what's going on, they just see her daughter crying, so when court is over and they're going home she's gonna have to explain everything to them all over again
They can understand the gist Their daughter killed their other daughter Inadvertently But still she’s dead The tragedy is too much for the human mind to bear, we were not designed for this Thank God His Son can take this burden and bear it for us while we rest under His wing Hallelujah!
reminds me of an ER episode where a Spanish-speaking patient comes in because she overdosed on her medication - she was only supposed to take it once a day, but, en Español, "once" means eleven, so she took 11 pills
@@DragonGoddess18 according to the transcript, Isoniazid, an anti-TB medication, it caused her to have seizures, so they thought she was epileptic, and were treating her for that
I think that great care should go into a doctor ensuring that their patients and family members know what to do and can understand instructions. Even if a person can speak perfect English, they can misinterpret information and then will go and read the instructions that come with the medication on how to take their medicine even if the doctor gave them other information. A lot of people can overdose on their prescribed medication, it's why there is an entire forensic department dedicated to investigating drug deaths... (Pharmacology/toxicology).
This is a genius last-minute twist. The investigation, the case, the trial, everything has been building to convicting and locking up a smug doctor--and then at the very climax of the movie, suddenly the whole thing is blown apart by a simple mistake.
It's also a demonstration of the problem with prosecutors, they want to win, and justice is secondary, maybe even a secondary effect. When she reads 2 to 4 hours the prosecutor move to damage control, even telling her what does the paper said. He just wants the dude in jail, his family destroyed, and his license revoked. Same for the female Dr she knows the 24 hours have a margin build she does. not care, she is out to get him. She doesn't even open the possibility to interpretation (I will wait more time, but 24h should be enough for most patients). Clearly the series present the doctor as exploitative, this is a series where even when the police frame someone innocent based on a hunch it results that the person is culpable of a different crime.
@@jaimeduncan6167 If you watched the whole episode, they talked to the girl after the case and she was already working with the doctor again to be a model like her sister. It was implied the girl lied to keep the doctor out of prison.
I worked as a pharmacy tech for four years while in college. If the script was handwritten, I'd have to call doctors constantly to verify - 50% of the time I couldn't even read the medication, let alone the dosage. Electronic scripts were the best thing to happen to pharmacies.
Once typed up a script to fill for amox and the patient luckily returned since he was allergic to it, the rx was for a similar spelled drug but the dr writing was sooo bad.
My mom was a pharmacy tech for many years as well. She told me how when she first started (late 90s-early 2000s) she had to decipher a doctor’s illegible handwriting. She was grateful for e-scripts.
I have a high respect for pharmacists/pharmacy techs. They always seem to be far more informed on medicines, doses, interactions, etc. Ours has caught a handful of bad combinations from physicians over the years.
6:17 At that moment. Everyone, even the judge, just stopped being a court system. Lawyer Bailiff Defendent Prosecutor Jury Judge EVERYONE Became nothing but concerned and feared people. The realization on thier faces when she said 2-4 hours just made them scream WHAT in thier minds. Just look at thier eyes. The reveal and realization was soul shattering.
A young girl made a terrible mistake while helping her sister, no grand conspiracy or true crime involved. That realization brought with it a heavy sort of clarity that the music and everyone's facial expressions/tone of voice amplified: this was all just a misunderstanding, a tragic and cruel misunderstanding that'll haunt this girl for the rest of her life :(
@@codenamejinza i agree. If i was a doctor i would tell my patient exactly how to use the medicine in person, rather then just tell the sister from a note. I blame the doctor for incompetent actions. The medicine we make is to save lives and help heal the wounded, but sometimes misinformation can be a more deadlier poison then what is already killing them. Just a single talk would have changed everything. Now the sister has to carry the fact her mistake caused the death of a loved one for the rest of her life.
They were Russian and I can tell you from experience translating handwriting with any knowledge is hard the doctor should have had the note typed out in clear English if as a reminder, not as the only form of communication between patient and doctor. Plus, the doctor should have put into consideration, LANGUAGE BARRIER even if a person can speak and communicate in another language does not mean they fully understand what is going on.
Harvard has more than just medical faculties and I still find that a dumb response to give to a practicing medical professional when he himself switched to law because it probably pays better.
6:24 Listen to Jack's voice crack. You can almost hear the logical part of his brain begging his speech centers to stop before he asks a question he already knows he won't like the answer to. That's an excellent bit of acting right there; the perfect combination of horror, disbelief, realization, and even a little bit of desperation as the character wishes he's wrong. Bravo!
You would think that the doctor who wrote out the prescription would at least make sure that the girl could read those instructions properly, because doctors have notoriously bad handwriting. A badly written "24 hours" could easily be misinterpreted as "2 - 4 hours".
At least in the present day they do. I worked at a doctor’s office and they called a translation agency whenever a patient came in with questionable English. But sometimes patients have kinda good English and they get cocky. Once this Asian dude came in with a catheter in him for 8 months when the max recommended was 2 it was all fucked up and infected
@@jdpatrick1106 it might have something to do with the fact that their country has a completely different alphabet and symbols for numbers and she is by no means a perfect speaker.
To be honest, doctors aren't the only ones with terrible handwriting. Scientists do as well. I had a lab instructor beg the class to print in their lab notebooks and not do cursive handwriting unless you have great handwriting. It's not the lack of handwriting skills that is the problem, lol.
But, this wasn’t a 5 year old. This was a doctor giving a girl who knows bad English medical instructions to her sister who knows none. The parents failed, too. They should have made sure they knew the difference between 2 to 4 and 24.
@@TiffWaffles most people have bad writings nowaday. It's the responsibility of the pharmacist to give out proper instructions to the patient, AND the patient to ask questions. I think for this case, the fault fall at the pharmacist, or parents and the patient itself (the big sister). Kids can't be expected to ask questions regarding medical stuff.
The doctor should have made absolutely sure that both girls knew exactly how long to wait between the medications. My own dad who is a very literate man and was born and raised in an English-speaking family has chicken scratch writing that I only know how to read because I've been reading it my whole life.
The thing was, Lena (the younger sister) wasn't there when the doctor gave the instructions for the medication. If she was, I'm sure she would've been able to make sure it was 24 hours and not 2-4. She was the one in the family that spoke the best English. McCoy and the judge felt so sorry for her. She accidentally killed her sister, not with pure negligence or ill intent, but because she couldn't read the doctor's note.
@@ZenaidaZeal tbh, there's really no way to get 24 and 2-4 confused regardless of which language you speak. (i should know, i speak both). it's an interesting enough plot for the show, but it's really not plausible. i've seen many bad hadwritings in my time, doctor and not, there really isn't a way to misread 24 for 2 - 4. even if you spell it our, "twenty" looks nothing like " two to"
@@zilesis1 it is easy to mix up if there was debris on the paper between the two and the four. Even just a small dot of ink dropping from the pen could give that impression though.
@@zilesis1 Could also depends on letter and number spacing as well. If some handwriting is pretty bad, it wouldn't surprise me if it looked like scribbles and letters s p aced to o fa r
I got that writing to, all my life. My teachers were NEVER so glad when they had computers and printers in class! They made me print out all of my assignments! it was the only way to read whatever it was I typed!
Really that’s all it takes. I had an essential oil interact with my SSRIs. I didn’t realize the sleep blend my mom got me had a specific strain of chamomile oil. Had the reaction been more severe it probably could have killed me
@@averysmallcloud I'm sorry we're you EATING the essential oil? Or was just breathing it in causing the issue? Because you should absolutely NEVER under absolutely any circumstances consume essential oils regardless of what medication you are taking.
@@SjofnBM1989 no no lmao, I was inhaling it. When it comes to essential oil interactions it’s that inhalation puts it in your bloodstream and from there it can affect medicines
now it all makes sense, the pharmacist at the counter always read the instructions to me when receiving my medicine. I thought it was weird because its already written on the package. Now i understand it was better clarification in case we misread.
This actress , Alexis Dziena , really did a stellar job here. Very human mistake, and it's clear shes going to feel guilty about her role in the accidental death. And in keeping with the story, all she was doing was trying to help her family and sister. She spoke English, but did so without formal teaching. So very bright, but it doesn't prevent all types of minor translation errors from happening.
He didn't answer the question truthfully though. He went to Harvard Law School not Medical school as he erroneously claims. Her smugness notwithstanding.
@@eldridgedavis Huh. I thought he was actually claiming to have been a doctor before getting his law degree, like some kind of super malpractice attorney. But you're right, as can be determined from other episodes he appears in. What a stupid line.
@@BlueButtonFly Your first thought was probably the right one. In 4 of Dave Seaver's 9 appearances in the Law & Order Universe his clients were doctors and medicine played a role in the story.
I am pretty certain from what I remember of the episode that the defense lawyer was NOT lying: he had graduated from law school and was licensed as an attorney, AND he had an M.D. from Harvard School of Medicine. The actor may have appeared as a character, even as a lawyer, on other L&O episodes, but that’s not relevant to the backstory of his character in •this• episode. A lot of actors have played different characters in multiple L&O episodes. And generally the producers have not worried about making such guest stars with multiple appearances into true recurring characters within the L&O universe, in the sense of making sure they have consistent backstories and narratives across those multiple appearances. We know the few exceptions to that rule, because of their prominence in the series - for example, Tovah Feldshuh’s character, the defense attorney Danielle Melnick, who appeared in numerous episodes over almost two decades. In addition, a lawyer would probably not lie like that before the court; it would simply be too risky. The judge might well already know his educational credentials, and if the lawyer actually had not studied medicine, such a claim would make the judge think, “Wait a minute . . . .” Or even if the judge didn’t know the lawyer’s background off-hand, “I went to medical school at Harvard” is the sort of claim that grabs one’s attention; it’s very likely that would prompt the judge to check independently, and see if it’s really true. In either case, if the lawyer is lying in court and the judge figures that out, there will be hell to pay for that lawyer: sanctions, possibly a contempt of court finding, maybe even disbarment. It’s not worth it, just to flummox a witness. So, the story’s “reality” here is probably just what we see, that this lawyer also has an M.D. from Harvard. And that’s actually •not• a rarity, for medical malpractice lawyers also to have a medical degree. That’s not to say that most of them do, but a substantial fraction of the lawyers in that field •have• studied medicine.
Don't see how, it's implying that they basically wasted time and resources looking for foul play when it was just an accident that could happen to anyone. You might say the doctor could be liable for not providing clear instructions to people who don't speak decent English, but then the patient should have made sure that they translated what the doctor wrote was correct.
Oh... so he prescribed 24 hours and she read it 2-4... that's incredibly sad. I mean it's irresponsible for him to have left the girl without confirming the prescription was understood, and he should have had another way of translating (especially with medication that can cause death), but at least we know he didn't intentionally kill her.
or, patients could be responsible for understanding the dominant language in the country they're in why should we have to bend to people who can't - or refuse to - speak/read English?
@@lauranolastnamegiven3385 There's nothing wrong with having translators for people who dont speak the language. They have them because its needed and important to have. They have translators in every country because its needed. Just because they dont speak the language doesn't mean they dont want to. Ever heard of of human kindness?
@@pyrpleflower7 if someone who's here, and doesn't speak English, wants to pay to have a translator follow them around, that's totally cool, but most of what you're talking about is taxpayer-funded, and I'm against that....ever heard of, "when in Rome?" if I was in a foreign country, I wouldn't expect everyone there to speak English for/to me, or for signage, or official paperwork, or medical documents, or anything else, to be printed in other-than the official, or dominant, language of the country...part of being a melting pot, is all speaking the same language in public settings (what you do in your home, is none of anyone's business), and, as these episode show, it can be a life-and-death problem
@@lauranolastnamegiven3385 Thankfully it doesn't matter what you're against. Federal law states that translation services be freely provided to those seeking medical care anywhere that receives any federal funding, which includes doctors that take Medicaid as payment. Additionally, we do not have an official language in the US, and the Civil Rights Act specifically protects people from discrimination such as what you are suggesting. You are more than welcome to move to a different country if that offends you.
@@jc3m a) laws can be changed, and that one should be; b) why I stated "dominant," I'm well aware lawmakers are too cowardly to declare English our official language; c) why should I leave? I'm only asking that those who chose to come here (whether they're invited/legally or not), know the language, or don't whine (or sue) if something bad comes of your ignorance
As a doctor, the onus is on the physician to directly communicate important instructions to the patient and to ensure they understand it. So he is still culpable.
@@bananacathammock perhaps both, but the doctor prescribed something for someone and gave instructions related to other medications taken. Pharmacists don't necessarily know the other drugs and will sometimes only give instructions regarding common drug related issues. This is a specific drug interaction and unlikely to be picked up on basic screening anyway.
Whenever I go to the doctor's office, the doctor's writing is always sh*t but he always explain the prescription to me and then the dr's assistant would remind me of the dr's explanation and writes a more legible instruction
Yesterday we had to bring my son to the hospital because he had high fever. He got his blood and urine tested, turns out he has mild Uti. When the doctor was writing the prescription, she was explaining to us the medication and dosage. I live in Asia, everytime we are given prescriptions of medicine, the doctor ALWAYS tells us how to give the medicine and why they prescribed that medicine. When in doubt, always ask. This is one of the reasons why I'm hesitant in taking medicines or supplements, terrible things can happen with drug interaction.
You can ask a pharmacist. They’re the domain experts. When I got started on my current medications, then had hay fever (seasonal allergies), we asked about allergy medicines that were safe with them. Was pointed to a nice, 24-hour one (and possibly others) and we have stuck with it ever since.
Man, if she was a witness for the prosecution, McCoy or his assistant really screwed in prepping for her examination. You never ask a question you haven't drilled with your witness, and you never ask a question that you don't already know their answer for. If she was a witness for the defense, talk about a slam-dunk! That is BRUTAL, a case-ender, and man... that that is rough for that family!
As well not really understanding the English written Language. Heck there are families that have been here for generations and even they have a hard time reading and understanding English. Think about those who have Dyslexia who have issues at time reading some words (me) and add that to crappy handwriting . I always asked many times even though my Doctor has very good handwriting the instructions as well as the Pharmacist if i am reading it right.
4:32 "Approach the witness, Your Honor?" Legal Eagle: "And the bailiff was deprived of a tackle." Also, here's one of those weird twists on the stand, where Jack gets that feeling he's got the wrong person on trial and sets up the witness. Didn't matter that the doctor just went by the bare minimum because "48 hours" would have turned into "4 to 8 hours" and the sister would still be dead. But the abject horror on everyone's faces as they realized she made that mistake...
This is on the doctor for prescribing medication alongside one that could have a potentially fatal interaction with just some poorly written instructions for a 3rd party who wasn't present and is barely proficient enough in English to translate.
This is totally screwed up. The prosecutors knew this in advance, and still pursued a negligence case, and, in the bargain, destroyed the poor girl's life. Way to go
Jack’s face at 6:55 is pretty telling that they didn’t know she would say 2-4 hours, and you can clearly see his shock in that realization. The prosecution definitely didn’t know, they were probably expecting maybe some underlying malice towards her sister.
yea she pull it off very well , i saw her in this lifetime move called " She's too young " her name is Alexis Dziena , she's also in the movie Nick and Nora's infinite playlist ..great movie !!
@@ItsMsQuay she so good acting I like Alexis denzia she so beautiful . I watch Alexis s movies as fool gold funny movies and drama movies. She great actress.
Just FYI, this is not a real drug interaction. Albuterol inhalers (also known as Proair inhalers) are bronchodilators that can cause palpitations (a more rapid heartbeat) but rarely causes death. Demerol is an opioid which does not effect the heart but can cause respiratory depression leading to death.
i take it.. the Proair it can make you feel a tiny strange but its the only one i like for rescue. ------ take it with coffee, and chocolate - you get nightmares and shakiness ..
eh... I'm going to respectfully disagree. Not a common drug-drug interaction, but more a combination of rare side effects that both drugs can cause. Demerol is a brand name for pethidine (meperidine in the US), which has been known to cause tachycardia and cardiac arrests, and also histamine release in the first 24 hours after use. I also see salbutamol (albuterol in the US) causing tachycardia in the emergency department and HDU patients relatively frequently, when we're using large doses to control severe attacks. So it would be rare, but not impossible.
@@Alayne89 From my experience as a pharmacist, this is not a clinically relevant drug drug interaction. Feel free to use any medical database out there to check me. Best.
Maybe they were going for MAOIs but couldn't because it would have been too similar to the Libby Zion case. But then again, the sister was the sole breadwinner with stress and depression issues.
Rule of thumb for something as important as instructions is to write both the number and spell out the number. "Twenty-four (24) hours," would have made it clear.
I don't know what the outcome of this case was, but I think it would be best for the doctor to try and strike a deal in this situation, no prison time or anything like that, plead to negligence with consequences of a loss of license for some time, some money for the family and an acknowledgement of fault, something like that. It seems like the sister made a mistake in conveying the instructions, however the doctor is the professional, he has a higher burden of responsibility and if a patient misunderstands the instructions because of the doctors poor handwriting, he is ultimately responsible, even if he legally isn't at fault for the victim dying. If he had left those instructions for someone that is native English speaker they could have easily made the same mistake.
A co worker of mine microwaved a bag of popcorn for 45minutes. (Lunchbreak was 1hour) from what I heard she didn't know English that well so she asked someone how many minutes to cook? They said 4 to 5 minutes, she heard 45minutes
I think people have way too high of an opinion of doctors' commitment to communicating with patients. Most of my prescriptions have been given after an e-mail consultation, and then mailed to me by the pharmacy. I never actually have a live conversation with anyone about them. And then once my boyfriend had been in the hospital, and when he was discharged I was given a prescription and told he needed to take medication at certain times of the day -- he would need to take it twice more that day, and again early the next morning. He was discharged at 5pm on a Sunday, and those jerks couldn't be bothered to tell me that there was not a single pharmacy open - I searched and there was nothing within 50 miles open on a Sunday evening. I was shocked. I had no way of know the pharmacies would be closed on Sundays -- you'd think people in the medical profession would have been aware. More importantly, you'd think before they sent me off telling me to give my bf medication at such and such times, they would make sure it wasn't literally impossible to get hold of that medication at that time, before he had to miss 3 doses. They should've given us the medicine he needed.
Hmm... Around here, the practice should be... the doctor explains the prescription he wrote to the patient as he hands it over. I don't know that this case is allowed to happen - that they just leave the prescription without ensuring it is understood. If it happens, I guess the responsibility falls on the doctor.
i feel for her. I'v had to translate languages for my family before and it can be hard espestialy if is a doctor perscription (they tend to use big words)
This reminds me of a real-life case where a guy accidentally killed his older brother. Both of them were drinking, and he shot his brother in the head with a gun he thought was unloaded (the latter said it was unloaded, and that mistake got him killed).
Gun safety teaches that you never point a gun at anyone unless you want to shoot them. There are only two types of guns: loaded and disassembled. If it's not disassembled, you must assume it's loaded.
yeah, the actor recycling really throws you off..... especially when you've been binge watching it. I guess they kind of have to recycle though because with so many episodes, if they only used each actor once as a guest, they'd run out of actors to use!
i work with esl kids sometimes tutoring them on math and they read numbers incorrectly like this so often so i imagine this definitely has been an issue for families somewhere out there
In healthcare, this is why we make absolutely sure that the patient and / or caregiver knows exactly what to do. We provide instructions, have them repeat and demonstrate. Especially with those who require an interpreter or have limited English.
I wonder if this prompted any doctors to reword the question on the form about taking medications, to make it more clear about the timeframe, not just *that day*?
6:54 His face. 😰 And oh my god, that poor child. 😭 I think in Australia we have interpreters available on request for any such issues. Yet I suppose you have to be told, in your own language, that that service is available. But this poor girl has been carrying so much for her family, even while she has felt somewhat privileged among them, and she will live with this all her life.
Where are the endings to these law and order episodes? I’m not even going to continue watching them because just when you get interested the episode is over and there’s no conclusion so where is it? Where can I find it?
She should not have reacted that strongly to that kind of slip up...she shouldn't have been in the courtroom to hear the testimony of the other witnesses...
She said 2-4 hours not 24 hours and so yeah she accidentally send to her sister 24 hours of the dose and now her sister is dead wow see that's why to read very clearly and talk to a person
Imagine all that hard work in med school for like 4 years, graduated top of your class, yet you still have hand- writing skills of a 5 year old. smh .. i worked in the dental unit as an admin assistant for 13 years and the hand writing from these doctors are terrible , i gotta sit here a decipher the numbers on these addresses :/ its a headache. Doctors and dentists need to start typing out whatever they be writing
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The shock in the courtroom. Especially the doctor. The concerned look appeared almost instantly the moment she read "two to four". He knew he wrote the instructions. The prosecutors knew he wrote the instructions. Not one expected the girl to read it wrongly.
Doctors handwriting, amirite?
I always thought it was the girl’s fault because English isn’t her first language and she accidentally misread the instructions
@@VOXiveroOOF This is so real. I swear it's written in a dead language
@@biancapimentel1372 It was the girls fault, because of that exact reason.
The realization......it’ll haunt her forever...
If it wasn't just a tv show lol
@@saramarshall2957 she did a good job of portraying it
If it were real, devastating
it reminds me of that story I heard about the toddler who went rooting around in his mother's purse, found the gun she uses for self-defense, and, thinking it was a toy, shot her, killing her instantly.
The worst part is, her parents don't know what's going on, they just see her daughter crying, so when court is over and they're going home she's gonna have to explain everything to them all over again
Realistically, I think they would have someone else explain it to them right away so she wouldn’t have to.
They’d definitely hire a translator
that’s gonna be a rough car ride home
They can understand the gist
Their daughter killed their other daughter
Inadvertently
But still she’s dead
The tragedy is too much for the human mind to bear, we were not designed for this
Thank God His Son can take this burden and bear it for us while we rest under His wing
Hallelujah!
It hurts that she accidentally hurt her sister because she misread the paper.
I remember watching this Episode, felt so sad for her. It has happened in real life also!
She didn't just accidentally hurt her sister she killed her! I could literally feel her soul disintegrate.
@@KatonNeko i still feel bad
@@karmageddon9047 Me too....
She did not misread?
reminds me of an ER episode where a Spanish-speaking patient comes in because she overdosed on her medication - she was only supposed to take it once a day, but, en Español, "once" means eleven, so she took 11 pills
fyi, the ER episode is season 8, episode 5, "Start All Over Again"
What was the medication?
@@DragonGoddess18 according to the transcript, Isoniazid, an anti-TB medication, it caused her to have seizures, so they thought she was epileptic, and were treating her for that
I remember that one.
I think that great care should go into a doctor ensuring that their patients and family members know what to do and can understand instructions. Even if a person can speak perfect English, they can misinterpret information and then will go and read the instructions that come with the medication on how to take their medicine even if the doctor gave them other information. A lot of people can overdose on their prescribed medication, it's why there is an entire forensic department dedicated to investigating drug deaths... (Pharmacology/toxicology).
This is a genius last-minute twist. The investigation, the case, the trial, everything has been building to convicting and locking up a smug doctor--and then at the very climax of the movie, suddenly the whole thing is blown apart by a simple mistake.
It's also a demonstration of the problem with prosecutors, they want to win, and justice is secondary, maybe even a secondary effect. When she reads 2 to 4 hours the prosecutor move to damage control, even telling her what does the paper said. He just wants the dude in jail, his family destroyed, and his license revoked. Same for the female Dr she knows the 24 hours have a margin build she does. not care, she is out to get him. She doesn't even open the possibility to interpretation (I will wait more time, but 24h should be enough for most patients). Clearly the series present the doctor as exploitative, this is a series where even when the police frame someone innocent based on a hunch it results that the person is culpable of a different crime.
@@jaimeduncan6167 If you watched the whole episode, they talked to the girl after the case and she was already working with the doctor again to be a model like her sister. It was implied the girl lied to keep the doctor out of prison.
@@sws212 I recall this episode and I don't recall it ever implying that.
I worked as a pharmacy tech for four years while in college. If the script was handwritten, I'd have to call doctors constantly to verify - 50% of the time I couldn't even read the medication, let alone the dosage. Electronic scripts were the best thing to happen to pharmacies.
Once typed up a script to fill for amox and the patient luckily returned since he was allergic to it, the rx was for a similar spelled drug but the dr writing was sooo bad.
My mom was a pharmacy tech for many years as well. She told me how when she first started (late 90s-early 2000s) she had to decipher a doctor’s illegible handwriting. She was grateful for e-scripts.
I have a high respect for pharmacists/pharmacy techs. They always seem to be far more informed on medicines, doses, interactions, etc. Ours has caught a handful of bad combinations from physicians over the years.
Why is it that every single doctor has the worst handwriting, lol?!
The issue isn't the script, but assuming the Limited English Proficient girl could understand the instructions.
6:17
At that moment. Everyone, even the judge, just stopped being a court system.
Lawyer
Bailiff
Defendent
Prosecutor
Jury
Judge
EVERYONE
Became nothing but concerned and feared people.
The realization on thier faces when she said 2-4 hours just made them scream WHAT in thier minds. Just look at thier eyes. The reveal and realization was soul shattering.
A young girl made a terrible mistake while helping her sister, no grand conspiracy or true crime involved. That realization brought with it a heavy sort of clarity that the music and everyone's facial expressions/tone of voice amplified: this was all just a misunderstanding, a tragic and cruel misunderstanding that'll haunt this girl for the rest of her life :(
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@@codenamejinza i agree. If i was a doctor i would tell my patient exactly how to use the medicine in person, rather then just tell the sister from a note. I blame the doctor for incompetent actions. The medicine we make is to save lives and help heal the wounded, but sometimes misinformation can be a more deadlier poison then what is already killing them. Just a single talk would have changed everything. Now the sister has to carry the fact her mistake caused the death of a loved one for the rest of her life.
They were Russian and I can tell you from experience translating handwriting with any knowledge is hard the doctor should have had the note typed out in clear English if as a reminder, not as the only form of communication between patient and doctor. Plus, the doctor should have put into consideration, LANGUAGE BARRIER even if a person can speak and communicate in another language does not mean they fully understand what is going on.
I really always loved this episode (though "love" is not the right word) because of this reveal.
6:22 , I literally gasped in horror Because I could see where the mistake was made because of the pronunciation. That poor girl
Everyone slowly realized what happened hurts. This is a plot twist done right. It made sense, it is relevant, and it hurts to know.
“And what medical school did you go to?”
“Harvard....but I’m asking the questions.”
SAVAGE.
Harvard has more than just medical faculties and I still find that a dumb response to give to a practicing medical professional when he himself switched to law because it probably pays better.
@@metalltitan Law only tends to pay better than medicine if you have reasonable assurances of getting into a high-profile firm.
@@metalltitan The average lawyer is broke. The average doctor isn't.
@@OHNO-k9l the average doctor has hundreds of thousands in student debt
@@SyntheticDivine True. Law's not as lucrative as it once was because there's a glut of lawyers.
6:24 Listen to Jack's voice crack. You can almost hear the logical part of his brain begging his speech centers to stop before he asks a question he already knows he won't like the answer to. That's an excellent bit of acting right there; the perfect combination of horror, disbelief, realization, and even a little bit of desperation as the character wishes he's wrong. Bravo!
You would think that the doctor who wrote out the prescription would at least make sure that the girl could read those instructions properly, because doctors have notoriously bad handwriting. A badly written "24 hours" could easily be misinterpreted as "2 - 4 hours".
the pharmacy has typed instructions
At least in the present day they do. I worked at a doctor’s office and they called a translation agency whenever a patient came in with questionable English. But sometimes patients have kinda good English and they get cocky. Once this Asian dude came in with a catheter in him for 8 months when the max recommended was 2 it was all fucked up and infected
@@jdpatrick1106 it might have something to do with the fact that their country has a completely different alphabet and symbols for numbers and she is by no means a perfect speaker.
Are numbers written differently in her native tongue?
Pharmacist also know what would be a dangerous amount and would check and correct the instructions.
I will no longer complain about my pharmacist since he types out the instructions or has good penmanship . I will patiently wait in line. 😊
From a pharmacist here, thank you for your kind understanding
@@sayesaye5374 Thank You and God Bless You !!
seriously it's enough to make me wait a little more patiently
Imagine all the hand-writing classes you take during Elementary school, when a kid asks why they need to learn this, they can just bring up this clip.
To be honest, doctors aren't the only ones with terrible handwriting. Scientists do as well. I had a lab instructor beg the class to print in their lab notebooks and not do cursive handwriting unless you have great handwriting. It's not the lack of handwriting skills that is the problem, lol.
Pharmacy = typed prescription
But, this wasn’t a 5 year old. This was a doctor giving a girl who knows bad English medical instructions to her sister who knows none. The parents failed, too. They should have made sure they knew the difference between 2 to 4 and 24.
@@TiffWaffles most people have bad writings nowaday. It's the responsibility of the pharmacist to give out proper instructions to the patient, AND the patient to ask questions. I think for this case, the fault fall at the pharmacist, or parents and the patient itself (the big sister). Kids can't be expected to ask questions regarding medical stuff.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Commas save lives.
The doctor should have made absolutely sure that both girls knew exactly how long to wait between the medications. My own dad who is a very literate man and was born and raised in an English-speaking family has chicken scratch writing that I only know how to read because I've been reading it my whole life.
The thing was, Lena (the younger sister) wasn't there when the doctor gave the instructions for the medication. If she was, I'm sure she would've been able to make sure it was 24 hours and not 2-4. She was the one in the family that spoke the best English. McCoy and the judge felt so sorry for her. She accidentally killed her sister, not with pure negligence or ill intent, but because she couldn't read the doctor's note.
@@ZenaidaZeal tbh, there's really no way to get 24 and 2-4 confused regardless of which language you speak. (i should know, i speak both). it's an interesting enough plot for the show, but it's really not plausible. i've seen many bad hadwritings in my time, doctor and not, there really isn't a way to misread 24 for 2 - 4. even if you spell it our, "twenty" looks nothing like " two to"
@@zilesis1 it is easy to mix up if there was debris on the paper between the two and the four. Even just a small dot of ink dropping from the pen could give that impression though.
@@zilesis1 Could also depends on letter and number spacing as well. If some handwriting is pretty bad, it wouldn't surprise me if it looked like scribbles and letters s p aced to o fa r
I got that writing to, all my life. My teachers were NEVER so glad when they had computers and printers in class! They made me print out all of my assignments! it was the only way to read whatever it was I typed!
So she indirectly killed her sister. One fatal mistake cost her sister's life.
Really that’s all it takes. I had an essential oil interact with my SSRIs. I didn’t realize the sleep blend my mom got me had a specific strain of chamomile oil. Had the reaction been more severe it probably could have killed me
@@averysmallcloud I'm sorry we're you EATING the essential oil? Or was just breathing it in causing the issue?
Because you should absolutely NEVER under absolutely any circumstances consume essential oils regardless of what medication you are taking.
@@SjofnBM1989 no no lmao, I was inhaling it. When it comes to essential oil interactions it’s that inhalation puts it in your bloodstream and from there it can affect medicines
That's such a powerful scene. Your heart just breaks for that young girl. Heck of an actress.
Everyone in this drama series is good they really put like really sad somber music hits in the fields it's like what the f*** did I just hear
now it all makes sense, the pharmacist at the counter always read the instructions to me when receiving my medicine. I thought it was weird because its already written on the package. Now i understand it was better clarification in case we misread.
This actress , Alexis Dziena , really did a stellar job here. Very human mistake, and it's clear shes going to feel guilty about her role in the accidental death. And in keeping with the story, all she was doing was trying to help her family and sister. She spoke English, but did so without formal teaching. So very bright, but it doesn't prevent all types of minor translation errors from happening.
Smug Doctor: And what medical school did YOU go to?
Lawyer: Harvard. But I'm asking the questions.
Doctor: 😲
He didn't answer the question truthfully though. He went to Harvard Law School not Medical school as he erroneously claims. Her smugness notwithstanding.
@@eldridgedavis Huh. I thought he was actually claiming to have been a doctor before getting his law degree, like some kind of super malpractice attorney. But you're right, as can be determined from other episodes he appears in. What a stupid line.
Some Medical Malpractice lawyers have MDs.
@@BlueButtonFly Your first thought was probably the right one. In 4 of Dave Seaver's 9 appearances in the Law & Order Universe his clients were doctors and medicine played a role in the story.
I am pretty certain from what I remember of the episode that the defense lawyer was NOT lying: he had graduated from law school and was licensed as an attorney, AND he had an M.D. from Harvard School of Medicine.
The actor may have appeared as a character, even as a lawyer, on other L&O episodes, but that’s not relevant to the backstory of his character in •this• episode. A lot of actors have played different characters in multiple L&O episodes. And generally the producers have not worried about making such guest stars with multiple appearances into true recurring characters within the L&O universe, in the sense of making sure they have consistent backstories and narratives across those multiple appearances. We know the few exceptions to that rule, because of their prominence in the series - for example, Tovah Feldshuh’s character, the defense attorney Danielle Melnick, who appeared in numerous episodes over almost two decades.
In addition, a lawyer would probably not lie like that before the court; it would simply be too risky. The judge might well already know his educational credentials, and if the lawyer actually had not studied medicine, such a claim would make the judge think, “Wait a minute . . . .” Or even if the judge didn’t know the lawyer’s background off-hand, “I went to medical school at Harvard” is the sort of claim that grabs one’s attention; it’s very likely that would prompt the judge to check independently, and see if it’s really true. In either case, if the lawyer is lying in court and the judge figures that out, there will be hell to pay for that lawyer: sanctions, possibly a contempt of court finding, maybe even disbarment. It’s not worth it, just to flummox a witness.
So, the story’s “reality” here is probably just what we see, that this lawyer also has an M.D. from Harvard. And that’s actually •not• a rarity, for medical malpractice lawyers also to have a medical degree. That’s not to say that most of them do, but a substantial fraction of the lawyers in that field •have• studied medicine.
This is honestly one of my favorite episodes because of the ending.
can you tell me how it ends?
@@wandachristian1884 the doctor was found not guilty and the girl in the thumbnail decided to become a model like her sister to support her family.
@@RomaroBrandon Thank you 😊
@@RomaroBrandon Not guilty was the only reasonable answer after that.
Don't see how, it's implying that they basically wasted time and resources looking for foul play when it was just an accident that could happen to anyone. You might say the doctor could be liable for not providing clear instructions to people who don't speak decent English, but then the patient should have made sure that they translated what the doctor wrote was correct.
Oh... so he prescribed 24 hours and she read it 2-4... that's incredibly sad. I mean it's irresponsible for him to have left the girl without confirming the prescription was understood, and he should have had another way of translating (especially with medication that can cause death), but at least we know he didn't intentionally kill her.
even Mcoy balked when he realized what happened
You can see him go "Wait, what?"
That moment when the judge shuts everyone up to talk to the girl
When she realizes her mistake it almost kills her.
They need to have professional translators for all patients, written and verbal especially on prescription bottles.
or, patients could be responsible for understanding the dominant language in the country they're in
why should we have to bend to people who can't - or refuse to - speak/read English?
@@lauranolastnamegiven3385 There's nothing wrong with having translators for people who dont speak the language. They have them because its needed and important to have. They have translators in every country because its needed. Just because they dont speak the language doesn't mean they dont want to. Ever heard of of human kindness?
@@pyrpleflower7 if someone who's here, and doesn't speak English, wants to pay to have a translator follow them around, that's totally cool, but most of what you're talking about is taxpayer-funded, and I'm against that....ever heard of, "when in Rome?" if I was in a foreign country, I wouldn't expect everyone there to speak English for/to me, or for signage, or official paperwork, or medical documents, or anything else, to be printed in other-than the official, or dominant, language of the country...part of being a melting pot, is all speaking the same language in public settings (what you do in your home, is none of anyone's business), and, as these episode show, it can be a life-and-death problem
@@lauranolastnamegiven3385 Thankfully it doesn't matter what you're against. Federal law states that translation services be freely provided to those seeking medical care anywhere that receives any federal funding, which includes doctors that take Medicaid as payment. Additionally, we do not have an official language in the US, and the Civil Rights Act specifically protects people from discrimination such as what you are suggesting. You are more than welcome to move to a different country if that offends you.
@@jc3m a) laws can be changed, and that one should be; b) why I stated "dominant," I'm well aware lawmakers are too cowardly to declare English our official language; c) why should I leave? I'm only asking that those who chose to come here (whether they're invited/legally or not), know the language, or don't whine (or sue) if something bad comes of your ignorance
As a doctor, the onus is on the physician to directly communicate important instructions to the patient and to ensure they understand it. So he is still culpable.
This is a TV show. Its meant for drama.
civilly
@@misswhite2171 true, but analysis is fun though
is it the doctor or the pharmacist tho? the one giving instructions should be the pharmacist right?
@@bananacathammock perhaps both, but the doctor prescribed something for someone and gave instructions related to other medications taken. Pharmacists don't necessarily know the other drugs and will sometimes only give instructions regarding common drug related issues. This is a specific drug interaction and unlikely to be picked up on basic screening anyway.
Stuff like this is why almost every doctor I go to either tells me what they've written or types it and emails it straight to the pharmacy
Whenever I go to the doctor's office, the doctor's writing is always sh*t but he always explain the prescription to me and then the dr's assistant would remind me of the dr's explanation and writes a more legible instruction
Was this the episode where they found out she was also being abused & forced to model by the father?
Yes
I literally cried when I watched this the first time. You can just watch the weight of it dawn on her. What a tragedy.
The look of horror on her face when she realized she accidentally overdosed her sister.
Yesterday we had to bring my son to the hospital because he had high fever. He got his blood and urine tested, turns out he has mild Uti. When the doctor was writing the prescription, she was explaining to us the medication and dosage. I live in Asia, everytime we are given prescriptions of medicine, the doctor ALWAYS tells us how to give the medicine and why they prescribed that medicine. When in doubt, always ask. This is one of the reasons why I'm hesitant in taking medicines or supplements, terrible things can happen with drug interaction.
You can ask a pharmacist. They’re the domain experts. When I got started on my current medications, then had hay fever (seasonal allergies), we asked about allergy medicines that were safe with them. Was pointed to a nice, 24-hour one (and possibly others) and we have stuck with it ever since.
Wow. Alexis Dziena - excellent work, crying on the stand.
Man, if she was a witness for the prosecution, McCoy or his assistant really screwed in prepping for her examination. You never ask a question you haven't drilled with your witness, and you never ask a question that you don't already know their answer for. If she was a witness for the defense, talk about a slam-dunk! That is BRUTAL, a case-ender, and man... that that is rough for that family!
Could also be bad penmanship. "Twenty four hours" could be read as "Two to four hours" depending on how bad the handwriting is.
True
A lot of people will write it out like: "twenty-four (24) hours" to avoid confusion.
As well not really understanding the English written Language. Heck there are families that have been here for generations and even they have a hard time reading and understanding English. Think about those who have Dyslexia who have issues at time reading some words (me) and add that to crappy handwriting . I always asked many times even though my Doctor has very good handwriting the instructions as well as the Pharmacist if i am reading it right.
Sometimes penmenship is so bad that it looks like arabic
@@sassbrat
Have you tried getting it printed white-on-black? That helps some of y’all.
The doctor was about to have a fit when she read the note.
6:54 McCoy face though😔😔
I watched this clip without reading the summary and I'm loving how they handled the plot twist! :O
4:32 "Approach the witness, Your Honor?"
Legal Eagle: "And the bailiff was deprived of a tackle."
Also, here's one of those weird twists on the stand, where Jack gets that feeling he's got the wrong person on trial and sets up the witness. Didn't matter that the doctor just went by the bare minimum because "48 hours" would have turned into "4 to 8 hours" and the sister would still be dead. But the abject horror on everyone's faces as they realized she made that mistake...
This is on the doctor for prescribing medication alongside one that could have a potentially fatal interaction with just some poorly written instructions for a 3rd party who wasn't present and is barely proficient enough in English to translate.
now it falls on the doctor . for his / her poor writing skills. if a child cant under stand wat was written.
It's not just that she's a child. Because English isn't her first language it's possible she misread it.
its a child whose native language isn't English
not his fault at all
No English isn’t her first language unfortunately this is a tragic accident
When is a written prescription ever meant for a child to understand?
Umm she's not a child dude. Do you know what a scientific child is? 😂
Situations like this is why we now have professional translators with patients and not rely on family or friends.
“And what medical school did you go to?” 🤣🤣
This little tidbit just shows why doctors have malpractice insurance. Oh my heck thank you for all the likes!!!
This is why pharmacists are so important
yes...could you imagine the numbers if it were just up to doctors to prescribe without a pharmacists explanation...
This is totally screwed up. The prosecutors knew this in advance, and still pursued a negligence case, and, in the bargain, destroyed the poor girl's life. Way to go
McCoy eventually got bad service
Isn't the whole point that they DIDN'T know this in advance? Hence the shocked expressions of everyone in the courtroom, including McCoy.
How are THEY destroying the girl's life if her mistake cost her sister her life? 🤣
Jack’s face at 6:55 is pretty telling that they didn’t know she would say 2-4 hours, and you can clearly see his shock in that realization. The prosecution definitely didn’t know, they were probably expecting maybe some underlying malice towards her sister.
This girl has an amazing Russian accent
yea she pull it off very well , i saw her in this lifetime move called " She's too young " her name is Alexis Dziena , she's also in the movie Nick and Nora's infinite playlist ..great movie !!
@@ItsMsQuay she so good acting I like Alexis denzia she so beautiful . I watch Alexis s movies as fool gold funny movies and drama movies. She great actress.
Just FYI, this is not a real drug interaction. Albuterol inhalers (also known as Proair inhalers) are bronchodilators that can cause palpitations (a more rapid heartbeat) but rarely causes death. Demerol is an opioid which does not effect the heart but can cause respiratory depression leading to death.
i take it.. the Proair it can make you feel a tiny strange but its the only one i like for rescue. ------ take it with coffee, and chocolate - you get nightmares and shakiness ..
eh... I'm going to respectfully disagree. Not a common drug-drug interaction, but more a combination of rare side effects that both drugs can cause. Demerol is a brand name for pethidine (meperidine in the US), which has been known to cause tachycardia and cardiac arrests, and also histamine release in the first 24 hours after use.
I also see salbutamol (albuterol in the US) causing tachycardia in the emergency department and HDU patients relatively frequently, when we're using large doses to control severe attacks.
So it would be rare, but not impossible.
@@Alayne89 From my experience as a pharmacist, this is not a clinically relevant drug drug interaction. Feel free to use any medical database out there to check me. Best.
Maybe they were going for MAOIs but couldn't because it would have been too similar to the Libby Zion case. But then again, the sister was the sole breadwinner with stress and depression issues.
Rule of thumb for something as important as instructions is to write both the number and spell out the number. "Twenty-four (24) hours," would have made it clear.
Wow I see why my doctor always tells me 2-3 times about certain medicines
Is it 2-3 times or 23 times?
I don't know what the outcome of this case was, but I think it would be best for the doctor to try and strike a deal in this situation, no prison time or anything like that, plead to negligence with consequences of a loss of license for some time, some money for the family and an acknowledgement of fault, something like that. It seems like the sister made a mistake in conveying the instructions, however the doctor is the professional, he has a higher burden of responsibility and if a patient misunderstands the instructions because of the doctors poor handwriting, he is ultimately responsible, even if he legally isn't at fault for the victim dying.
If he had left those instructions for someone that is native English speaker they could have easily made the same mistake.
reckless endangerment
@@biruss That seems fitting, his actions can definitely be considered reckless.
A co worker of mine microwaved a bag of popcorn for 45minutes. (Lunchbreak was 1hour) from what I heard she didn't know English that well so she asked someone how many minutes to cook? They said 4 to 5 minutes, she heard 45minutes
That girl is going to need a lot of therapy after that realization.
I think people have way too high of an opinion of doctors' commitment to communicating with patients. Most of my prescriptions have been given after an e-mail consultation, and then mailed to me by the pharmacy. I never actually have a live conversation with anyone about them.
And then once my boyfriend had been in the hospital, and when he was discharged I was given a prescription and told he needed to take medication at certain times of the day -- he would need to take it twice more that day, and again early the next morning. He was discharged at 5pm on a Sunday, and those jerks couldn't be bothered to tell me that there was not a single pharmacy open - I searched and there was nothing within 50 miles open on a Sunday evening. I was shocked. I had no way of know the pharmacies would be closed on Sundays -- you'd think people in the medical profession would have been aware. More importantly, you'd think before they sent me off telling me to give my bf medication at such and such times, they would make sure it wasn't literally impossible to get hold of that medication at that time, before he had to miss 3 doses. They should've given us the medicine he needed.
Hmm...
Around here, the practice should be... the doctor explains the prescription he wrote to the patient as he hands it over.
I don't know that this case is allowed to happen - that they just leave the prescription without ensuring it is understood. If it happens, I guess the responsibility falls on the doctor.
one of the saddest endings.
i feel for her. I'v had to translate languages for my family before and it can be hard espestialy if is a doctor perscription (they tend to use big words)
language barrier. read another case about mistaking english 'once' for the spanish ''once' (number 11). pronouced different, spelled the same.
I love law and order and I live in Moscow Russia 🇷🇺
Awesome! Have a Happy Christmas!
@@eldridgedavis thanks
Cheers
Oh no. Why penmanship is important
And that is why ladies and gentelmen, we PRINT most of the prescriptions out nowadays and make sure the patients understand the language
Thats gotta be heartbreaking all around.
I still cry when I see this.
Me at midnight: I'll watch one clip
Me at 2:45am: why am I here still?!
oh man that was so sad. 2-4 hours and 24 hours is heaven and earth difference. to think her sister died because of that simple mistake....
This reminds me of a real-life case where a guy accidentally killed his older brother. Both of them were drinking, and he shot his brother in the head with a gun he thought was unloaded (the latter said it was unloaded, and that mistake got him killed).
What kind of idiot aims a gun at another person? Loaded or not
Gun safety teaches that you never point a gun at anyone unless you want to shoot them.
There are only two types of guns: loaded and disassembled. If it's not disassembled, you must assume it's loaded.
truth or dare well that particular idiot was young and drunk. He and his brother were spending the night shooting at signs.
Sounds like Trent and Stephen Lockett in Knoxville, TN
@@nemeceka
Until you need to use it, in which case you should verify.
Poor thing it was an accident
shgouldnt the parents be given a interperator?
I just realized that they recycle actors in this show, but I still loved it
yeah, the actor recycling really throws you off..... especially when you've been binge watching it. I guess they kind of have to recycle though because with so many episodes, if they only used each actor once as a guest, they'd run out of actors to use!
All from a N.Y. casting , that why see same actors in different tv shows , because their location.
has anyone seen what a doctor's handwriting looks like I can't even read it.
I remember this episode... the reason they could find no evidence of wrongdoing was that there wasn't any.
Nope its still negligence for failing to properly explain to the patient what to do.
Wow. Death by language barrier. Wow.
Only one not concerned for her is the defense’s counsel
The father's facial expressions 😂😂😂
i work with esl kids sometimes tutoring them on math and they read numbers incorrectly like this so often so i imagine this definitely has been an issue for families somewhere out there
In healthcare, this is why we make absolutely sure that the patient and / or caregiver knows exactly what to do. We provide instructions, have them repeat and demonstrate. Especially with those who require an interpreter or have limited English.
I wonder if this prompted any doctors to reword the question on the form about taking medications, to make it more clear about the timeframe, not just *that day*?
Does anyone know what happens to the sister?
She died due a drug interaction between the stimulant and the opioid.
Which one? the one who dies or the one who messed up and accidentally killed the other
@@n.jboltz599 the one who messed up the dose.
6:54 His face. 😰 And oh my god, that poor child. 😭
I think in Australia we have interpreters available on request for any such issues. Yet I suppose you have to be told, in your own language, that that service is available.
But this poor girl has been carrying so much for her family, even while she has felt somewhat privileged among them, and she will live with this all her life.
Where are the endings to these law and order episodes? I’m not even going to continue watching them because just when you get interested the episode is over and there’s no conclusion so where is it? Where can I find it?
She should not have reacted that strongly to that kind of slip up...she shouldn't have been in the courtroom to hear the testimony of the other witnesses...
i live for these videos!
She said 2-4 hours not 24 hours and so yeah she accidentally send to her sister 24 hours of the dose and now her sister is dead wow see that's why to read very clearly and talk to a person
This is a sad one.
Her eyebrows are showing two different extremes of emotion
Such a good actress!
Ouch. My heart. (No pun intended I swear.)
Jesus christ. The realization from the girl... she really didn't know.
Let me tell you I don't understand my boss' writing and he is a doctor. I'm like what imagine a patient trying to read that.
Still dr. is liable because was not explained directly to patient.
I couldn't think of what movie she was in and it was FOOL'S GOLD
the heartbreak on mccoys face
Anyone recognize her from Fool’s Gold? She does great here!
I know this is a lot of responsibility for a child to have she has to live with that guilt
Thats so sad:(
Imagine all that hard work in med school for like 4 years, graduated top of your class, yet you still have hand- writing skills of a 5 year old. smh .. i worked in the dental unit as an admin assistant for 13 years and the hand writing from these doctors are terrible , i gotta sit here a decipher the numbers on these addresses :/ its a headache. Doctors and dentists need to start typing out whatever they be writing
ikr and they say the way you write is a direct reflection on how you think...
This is so sad.
Anyone else notice that the defence lawyer is Carter from Spin City;)?