Jen and Holden in case you didn't know in the original script, Derek ended up shaving his head and going back to his hate after Danny's death, because Tony Kaye the director wanted to make the point that the cycle never ends and people don't learn. Edward Norton hated that idea and had him change the ending, because he wanted to make the point that the cycle can be broken and people do change. It's an interesting tension of viewpoints. Can humanity be capable of change or will we always be circling this dark pattern?
Honestly the old ending would render the whole thing moot. After all that Norton's character went through, he would recognize that what happened to his brother was just a consequence of both of their actions.
at 6:11 Racist garbage of a nazi kid??? DUDE WTF DO YOU KNOW ABOUT REAL HISTORY???? You know nothing, other than the after war propaganda that got fed to your parents and then to you. You know shit about what actually happened and who were the good guys. You are like a citizen in Orwell's 1984 who gets TOLD who are the bad guys and who are the good guys and you just react. There is no independent thought between your ears. Of course thats no surprise you like silly superhero movies proving that you have a childish understanding of morality. __________________ You already should know that the GANGS in america who started to use the swastika and stuff like that, most have never read Hitler's book, they know nothing about NATIONAL SOCIALISM and the ideology. Hating other races is not part of national socialist ideology. What do you think that the real nazis in 1930 marched around and hated black people all day??? Grow up man. _______________ The only people with whom they had a problem were the jews and the reason was simple.... mostly jews were behind the spreading of COMMUNISM and in russia jews were behind the communist revolution. Over 80% of the bolsheviks were jewish. And in the west most of the bankers who created high DEBT based loans to governments and people were jewish. Hitler was fighting against COMMUNISm that was pushing from the east and also against a DEBT BASED MONETARY SYSTEM, that existed in the west , to free people. Learn real history not after war propaganda. ______________________ besides racism is a BS made up word... humans were tribal for over 20 000 years, and still are tribal , its in our nature, installed by evolution. You just PRETEND that you are not, for the sake of *VIRTUE SIGNALING.* _______________________ Go to JAPAN and lets see if they will take you as their own, even if you learn the language perfectly and their history, THEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT you. And i respect that. ____________________ Why are only white people obligated to accept everybody. Have you ever thought about that? It's time to wake up, stop watching superhero movies .
at 6:11 Racist garbage of a nazi kid??? DUDE WTF DO YOU KNOW ABOUT REAL HISTORY???? You know nothing, other than the after war propaganda that got fed to your parents and then to you. You know shit about what actually happened and who were the good guys. You are like a citizen in Orwell's 1984 who gets TOLD who are the bad guys and who are the good guys and you just react. There is no independent thought between your ears. Of course thats no surprise you like silly superhero movies proving that you have a childish understanding of morality. __________________ You already should know that the GANGS in america who started to use the swastika and stuff like that, most have never read Hitler's book, they know nothing about NATIONAL SOCIALISM and the ideology. Hating other races is not part of national socialist ideology. What do you think that the real nazis in 1930 marched around and hated black people all day??? Grow up man. _______________ The only people with whom they had a problem were the jews and the reason was simple.... mostly jews were behind the spreading of COMMUNISM and in russia jews were behind the communist revolution. Over 80% of the bolsheviks were jewish. And in the west most of the bankers who created high DEBT based loans to governments and people were jewish. Hitler was fighting against COMMUNISm that was pushing from the east and also against a DEBT BASED MONETARY SYSTEM, that existed in the west , to free people. Learn real history not after war propaganda. ______________________ besides racism is a BS made up word... humans were tribal for over 20 000 years, and still are tribal , its in our nature, installed by evolution. You just PRETEND that you are not, for the sake of *VIRTUE SIGNALING.* _______________________ Go to JAPAN and lets see if they will take you as their own, even if you learn the language perfectly and their history, THEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT you. And i respect that. ____________________ Why are only white people obligated to accept everybody. Have you ever thought about that? It's time to wake up, stop watching superhero movies .
Oh my God Holden is the worst to watch a movie with that he hasn't seen 😂😂😂 "what happens next?" "Does this happen now?" 😂😂 bro just watch the movie ! 😂😂😂😂
at 6:11 Racist garbage of a nazi kid??? DUDE WTF DO YOU KNOW ABOUT REAL HISTORY???? You know nothing, other than the after war propaganda that got fed to your parents and then to you. You know shit about what actually happened and who were the good guys. You are like a citizen in Orwell's 1984 who gets TOLD who are the bad guys and who are the good guys and you just react. There is no independent thought between your ears. Of course thats no surprise you like silly superhero movies proving that you have a childish understanding of morality. __________________ You already should know that the GANGS in america who started to use the swastika and stuff like that, most have never read Hitler's book, they know nothing about NATIONAL SOCIALISM and the ideology. Hating other races is not part of national socialist ideology. What do you think that the real nazis in 1930 marched around and hated black people all day??? Grow up man. _______________ The only people with whom they had a problem were the jews and the reason was simple.... mostly jews were behind the spreading of COMMUNISM and in russia jews were behind the communist revolution. Over 80% of the bolsheviks were jewish. And in the west most of the bankers who created high DEBT based loans to governments and people were jewish. Hitler was fighting against COMMUNISm that was pushing from the east and also against a DEBT BASED MONETARY SYSTEM, that existed in the west , to free people. Learn real history not after war propaganda. ______________________ besides racism is a BS made up word... humans were tribal for over 20 000 years, and still are tribal , its in our nature, installed by evolution. You just PRETEND that you are not, for the sake of *VIRTUE SIGNALING.* _______________________ Go to JAPAN and lets see if they will take you as their own, even if you learn the language perfectly and their history, THEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT you. And i respect that. ____________________ Why are only white people obligated to accept everybody. Have you ever thought about that? It's time to wake up, stop watching superhero movies .
@@Rorujin it is very uncomfortable movie to watch and even though it was good it was uncomfortable so I don't get how someone could LOVE it like Jen said she does
I know it's not good content for YT, so in this context I totally get it. But I really don't like people who talk through movies.I don't mind a question from time to time. But I'll pause the movie. Even if I've seen it 20 times.. 😂
I'm a male nurse, and black. So listening to Holden talk about the patient with the Swastika, I have several stories like that. I have seen it all and heard it all. I take my work seriously and will take care of anybody to the best of my ability, even if they are a terrible human.
i mean... that's the job.... medical responsibility is not trivial nor subject to personal feelings.... there is an understanding that this is the case
Yeah…. Y’all are way better people than me cause I would have let him die. I think he would have been disgusted that a minority saved him, so yeah I would have respect his views and leave him be.
Jen & Holden, I'm a 50 yr old black man. If I knew a person like Daryl in his past and knew about it 1) I would not seek him out to befriend him. I would watch to see their actions. 2) His actions that he's changed for the better would have to speak volumes. I mean enough to fill the grand canyon. Over my years in life I've made friends with people very easily. It felt like hanging around with some people that I was breaking down the stereotype they had in their heads. And this was when I was a young adult in the early 1990's. Those that were not cool I just no longer hung out with them. I feel like I'm just rambling on. Anyway! good movie and story told. May I recommend the Kevin Smith directed movie Dogma, (Yup! that religious dogmatic law) The Color Purple (Directed by Spielberg) BlacKKKlansman (Directed by Spike Lee) based on a true story in the 1970's.
I agree, all these movies are great, but if you get into Dogma, you might have also have to watch some others, like Jay and Silent Bob, Clerks, Mall Rats (long Stan Lee cameo in that film) and Chasing Amy
@@kylenewman011 Chasing Amy is an all-time favorite of mine. The most heart wrenching scene to me is the car scene when he confesses his feelings towards her, and how re initially responds.
Classic movie. Seen it when I was super Young. 8 years old if I would remember correctly And As a black man, Derek’s reform and redemption came across as very sincere and not forced, the writers did a great job with that. Now if this were real life, idk if I would be as forgiving, I would need a lot more time to see if the actions matched the words. But the movie got it right. I agree Jen 10 out of 10 movie
I've treated very racist patients with swastika tattoos before. In my mind i kinda just treat them like they've got a mental illness. They're out of their mind, may say some terrible things to you, but you just gotta do your job. It's easier to let it roll off your back when you treat it as an illness.
And you've probably treated hundreds of illegal immigrants, brought into the country systematically by leftist extremist politicians. And probably hundreds of gang members who for sure are in no way racist in any way...
This movie is one of 5 movies EVER that I would, without blinking, give 10/10. "Has anything you've done, made your life any better?" is the best line from any movie... right next to the Gladiator monologue.
@@matheusm8239 "I am Maximus blablabla... father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife, and I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next"
@@neopagn2004 definitely I first knew of him via boy meets world then couple years ago I watched Santa Clarita diet and went wow he lost weight, then I went on Google to see what else he's been in and went holy dudes jacked
Edward Norton’s character was originally written to fall back into “the community” after his brothers death. Edward Norton refused and iirc threatened to quit, as he wanted his character to keep his redemption.
I feel like it was the right choice, even though it could reflect a lot of real life situations where people relapse due to things like that. Seeing someone grow and change for the better even in the face of adversity just gives hope instead of meloncholy doom
At the 11 minute mark I think Derek's family does know he has reformed since leaving prison except for Danny who was at a school and didn't hear Derek say so. On rewatch I paid more attention to when Danny gets home from school and in the living room the first thing he sees is Derek on his knees hugging his mom and sister. I assume that's him begging for their forgiveness for what he did to them in a later flashback. Another thing too, the final line in Danny's paper that says "we are not enemies but friends" comes from Abraham Lincoln during his first inauguration as a final plea to the southerners who were seceding
I'm black and I feel that Derek's realization that there is some racism in the criminal justice system is when his coworker got 6 years for dropping a TV on the police officers foot and Derek killed a guy and only got 3 years. Overall I think Derek's redemption is great we all have done things that we are not proud of. I used to work in the prison system and I know all about having to join a group for protection and how easy it is to fall in with the wrong crowd. When you join these groups or gangs you stop thinking for yourself and someone else thinks for you and that's bad.
This doesn't really show racism in the criminal justice system. Derek was convicted of voluntary manslaughter. Depending on the state, 3 years is about average. Lamont, his laundry "coworker" stole a TV and because he dropped it on a cop's foot and broke the cop's foot, they called it assault on the cop or more likely, aggravated assault. Not really seeing where the racism comes into play.
So that gives you the right as a black person to instigate violence against another race, especially white? You would go around shooting up white folks now?
there are 2 actors in the film from star trek shows. principal sweeney is played by avery brooks, who was also Ben Sisko on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, where he was the first black actor to lead a star trek show. the sister is played by jennifer lien, who played kes on star trek: voyager
Im a black guy from the south... Shout out to St. Pete FL! But A.H.X. is one of my fav movies all time. True, it is a tough watch but the story is so worth the watch. But holden i can tell you are truly a good man and being good doesn't come with a race.
I don't want to get into a political discussion on RUclips - I'm not even a 'Republican' - but if you want to know what a Republican thinks, ask one, not what someone else thinks a Republican thinks.
Thank you, I'm a former liberal I switched 7 yrs ago, definitely republican gets a bad name and people don't know the facts. There's good and bad in people being a Democrat or Republican isn't what makes someone a racist or a nazi
I believe he's talking about most Republican leaders. If you want to be thought of as an individual in the party, you have to fight against those on the party who are talking and following that rhetoric, or you'll always be thought to be on the same page.
@@profshad3429 And I would say that I don't think even that is true when you actually go and observe the actions of the 'leaders'. What I see from media is selective editing and assumption of the worst motive for all things possible to manufacture a narrative that is mostly false, and over the last six years, it's gone Spaceballs-level hyper-active. I think Republicans - and specifically one certain Republican - have been lied about an awful lot over the last six years (though it started way befor this, I have come to realize). I said I wasn't a Republican, and I'm not, but I consider myself an open enemy of the Democratic Party as it is currently configured and behaving. A lot of mindreading and bias, straw-maning, assumption, and exaggeration going on. It's also important to note that a person who is a mean or even evil isn't necessarily wrong about everything. I'm trying to avoid specific political topics because discussing politics on RUclips is folly, but immigration, for instance, is something you can be adamant about slowing down and controlling based on factors that are 100% not racist. So, to associate the desire to slow and control immigration with skinheads is incorrect and possibly deliberately manipulative.
Maybe if republicans don’t want such a negative public perception then they should stop propelling the worst and most hateful representatives of their party to the forefront.
As a Black American I agree with some of Derek’s points but he’s operating out of hate rage and violence he’s an extremists. The same could be said about some of the left side as well a lot of hate rage violence. I use to think that white folks were out to get black folks and all that shit then I realized the life I was living the culture I was surrounded by was toxic blaming white people for everything wrong in their lives instead of looking in the mirror and admitting the wrongs they’ve done, selling drugs gang violence stealing murder etc. When Sweeney says to Derek “has anything you have done made your life better” hit me hard as if he was speaking to me that’s when I changed my mindset to judge each person not on what they look like but the content of their character.
You are correct. As a conservative, I do not look at color, sexuality (I'm Bi). As far as immigrants go. I'm all for it. Just do it the proper way. I bled for this country. I make less than $1000 a month from the VA. I met an "Illigal" immigrant family of 3. Mother father and son. They get free phones, housing and $6500 a month. Tell me how that makes sense. If you come over, do it properly.
I know it's not right at all, I'm a conservative I used to be a liberal for 15 yrs I woke up to so much I just did Mt research and educated myself. Our veterans deserve what we give illegals. So many come to this country the right way and it takes years and people who don't come the right way seem to get all the help.
22:01 when Holden started talking about how Fandom can bring people together. It's actually little more deeper conversation they're having about the Celtics and Lakers during their youths the Celtics were considered the "Whiter" team while the Lakers were the "Blacker" team. Larry Bird was called by the media and supporters once he joined the Celtics "The Great White Hope" naturally a lot of alt-white groups used this as a label. So seeing Derek being defensive about the Celtics is very telling and that he's holding on to his old ideologies thinking of that dynasty but its now shifted forward towards the Lakers favor. I don't know if Holden keeps up with sports but just thought I'd add something to the conversation. Love the channel and reactions.
I’m not sure, cos I wasn’t born yet, but I’m pretty sure that time of the Celtics being a dynasty was at the same of the race riots as a result of forced busing in poor Boston neighborhoods in the early to mid 70’s
i would be so annoying if someone at the beginning of a movie tries to know everything of the movie asking and asking instead of just watch and enjoy the movie. Good for you Jen 👏👏, you are very patient 😅
Chickenhawk means someone who talks up conflict and then expects others to go fight it for him. It got used a lot during Vietnam and the Iraq War to make fun of people who loudly supported the war while avoiding military service.
As a black person, (as Holden wondered on our thoughts) this movie is heavy, profound, emotional etc. I cried for Danny because I know how PEOPLE are influenced and led astray by predators of any group, male/female, black/white etc. In the end people want power and they want subjects. All groups. I’m a Christian so I see things through the filter of God, and I genuinely care about people. There is power in victimhood and there is truth in what people have suffered. But many people want to hide away their trespasses and their offenses. Kudos to you all for not being afraid to look in on this topic. There are hard truths that we must all face. Racism, sexism, religious persecution, etc. - The making of American history x is also a fascinating watch! On RUclips!
Oh and you are wrong so wrong about Republicans and immigration. They have NO problem with immigration, they welcome it. The issue they have is with open borders where the gangs traffic children prostitution and drugs are openly welcomed without any vetting. Without them having the education on the Constitution and what America Was suppose to mean and stand for. This is something that is/was unique to here No Where else in the world has it been and they need that education so they understand better. Look at the channel Yoel and Mari . Cubans that came to the USA Legally and is more grateful I think because of it, because it helped him understand.
The Swastika symbol is not just associated with Hitler and the Nazis but has been used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality here in India for thousands of years. The Nazi symbol is a 45 degrees rotated Swastika with red background. Reverence for the Swastika symbol in Asian cultures, in contrast to the stigma attached to it in the West, has led to misinterpretations and misunderstandings.
It was used all the time pre-WWII in the USA and Europe as a good luck charm, boy scouts, Coca-Cola ads, even a school sports team was called "The Swastikas". In the 1870's, archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann found the city of Troy, thought to be a myth. Everywhere on the pottery there were swastikas...eventually people started linking the symbol to an ancient Aryan race that founded most of the great ancient civilizations throughout the Indo-European region (Europe, Iran (literally means Aryan), India, etc. The Nazis adopted the myth that they were descended from these ancient people and the swastika became the official symbol of the (German) Aryan people. It's also found in lots of completely unrelated cultures, like Native Americans, too because it's basically a "sun wheel", the sun, spinning, with light rays, easy for unrelated people to create the same symbol.
Edward Norton had a hard time during the filming of this film. He was close to alot of African American men and women and showed alot of love to them and had to make sure if they saw the film that he is not like that. He showed so much respect for African American people in a way during filming but when he was not filming. I have so much damn respect for Ed Norton and how powerful his performance was as a nazi soldier but off screen he was so loving to everyone. I love him as a negative character and a good loving one. I can't ever say it enough that he's amazing. I liked him before I'd seen every one of his films before and several years ago I bought this one and watched it and every since I bought it and first watched it he's in my top 3 favorite actors.
Wow!!.... the tables have turned now that we see Holden become the Questioning viewer/reactor but at least with Jen it was borderline chill with Holden it's turned all the way up to Eleven LOL.... Poor Jen i pray and wish you tons of mental strength and much love...Amen
Holden if you're serious about understanding genuine dissident right ideology (and not this silly cartoonish caricature) I would advise looking up content from Keith Woods, Morgoth's Review, Academic Agent etc. or I can answer any questions you have here.
I would say that Holden has a knowledge of cinema and structure so he can pick apart a plot pretty quickly. For that reason he shouldn’t ask questions. I know he wants to and to have a dialogue but he should do what Matt does and take notes and then discuss afterwards. Otherwise he is just going to figure out the film.
Speaking as a Hispanic man, just to let you know, there seems to be a growing representation of Hispanics and black Republicans👍and please, when it comes to the topic of race, don't be naive in thinking Democrats actually care about minority as much as the media wants you to believe
Republicans don’t care about minorities either. If they did we would have free health care, transportation, homelessness wouldn’t be a problem. None of the parties give two shits about you or any one. The US is so far right people in other countries in Europe are laughing at us
None of them care. Left, right, all politicians are the same. They just exploit whatever demographic they were quicker to get to. If Republicans hadn’t gotten to the evangelical crowd first the Democrats would’ve done it in a heartbeat. And vice versa for the Muslim crowd, if Dems hadn’t cast themselves as supportive early enough then Republicans would’ve jumped on it first. It’s all just a game of power to them.
half the comments in this thread: "As a RACIAL MINORITY, I used to be on THE LEFT until I looked in the mirror and realized that MY PEOPLE were really troublemakers, and now I don't believe THE MEDIA, I think for myself! Now I JUST JUDGE PEOPLE BASED ON THE CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER INSTEAD OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN DID YOU KNOW WHO SAID THAT OMG IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE MLK!!!"
I’m really happy that Jen was able to get you towatch this powerful film. This movie had a profound impact on my life as a young man. You guys are the best. Trivia: (if I remember correctly Ed Norton lived somewhere in Yonkers, NY. I remember seeing him on the MTA 4 line. I gave him a look of acknowledgment and he nodded back. I was thinking How much I wanted to say how much I liked his work, but didn’t say it out loud for his privacy. I did sneak a quick pic on my phone for proof to my girl and co-workers. The whole time the only movie I could remember seeing him in was ‘The Incredible Hulk’. Lol 😂 Respect ✊🏿
As a fan of your channel I really enjoyed this. I notice tons of channels skip over amazing movies such as this one, that kind of sucks. As a black man I enjoyed this film and think the redemption part of it is well done. I went from hating him to actually feeling bad for him. He couldn't undo what he did, but he did the next best thing.
This movie is important and I saw it at a young age (15) and it made an impression. I wasn’t hateful or anything but insecure and impressionable and I had class mates who were leaning more to the old Derek. This movie helped me to become mentally stronger, so I could stand my own opinion against my class mates. I also love the dynamic change of My Husband Watches For The First Time. I am looking forward to more movie reactions like this (also the Both Haven’t Seen This type of reaction).
I think i like it better when Jen is the one who hasnt watched the movie and Holden has. Holden talks and asks waaaay more questions than jen when he hasnt seen the movie lol
"Chicken Hawk" is basically someone who is all talk and no walk. Usually used for people who fake being in the military but in Cameron's case Derrick uses it to call him out for never even doing time in prison even though he has a "anything for the cause" attitude.
Normally things that are hard to watch. Are things that are real. We have to remember everything in this movie has happened to someone. Loved the video 👍 Its always fun to see Jen run the show and Holden along for the ride
Jen finally being able to pull all the Holden-isms. "Who's to say?" Also, listening to all the racist arguments in this movie is literally shit you read on internet today. They really haven't upgraded their propaganda in over two decades.
Avery Brooks who plays Dr. Sweeney is a powerhouse. he is well known from star trek where he played Captain Sisko, well worth to check out his work there. he Also has a substantial part in the arts. might have been blacklisted, I think the last movie I've seen him in was 'The Captains'- a documentary by William Shatner about star trek captains.
@@jasontodd6822 That makes sense. There were movies where we had to do the same. It's possible that another class showed it that I wasn't in unfortunately. I just remember hearing a lot about it before renting it myself.
Holden, you can NEVER act like Jen is asking to many questions. You were like 10× over her. Lol. Oh and I didn't appreciate the shot at republicans, I mostly side with the right and I'm not racist. But I do support freedom of speech, so I'm not gonna throw a fit. Lol. The movie is powerful and it's a good message for those, of any color, to let go of rage and hate.
Black guy here: Derek killing the car jackers was crazy but understandable based on their acts to commit a crime intentionally. The Principal was a beast. I wanted to feel as l am like him. But truly l am a mixture of derek, the Principal, and the laundry felon. Guy Torry. Very funny comedian. It is tough being educated near 40 year old in contemporary America. Until people can be honest about the horrors and trials of a black person in America, we won't have any true path forward. Many more to say, but instead, here are a few movies that you should consider for the polls: Thank you for Smoking, Rosewood, Heistz Spartan, Enemy at the Gates, Arlington Road, The Company you Keep, and Higher Learning
Great choice by Jen. One of my favorite movies ever. Can you guys watch ”The Thing” next? That’s another one of my favorites and I really think Jen will like it. Maybe not at first, but when the ending comes, she’ll love it.
As someone who holds conservative values (I’m libertarian politically) , I hate that they use vaguely “conservative” talking points (probably the same way Holden doesn’t like how they use Christianity) talking points aren’t necessarily racist and it goes both ways. Although the types of racism are different. Example: Republican talking point: We need tighter border security. Racist reasoning: Mexicans are criminals and their stealing our jobs and ruining our country. Rational reasoning: Cartels use our borders for human and drug trafficking. I don’t care if they’re handing out green cards and work visas in mass at the border, I just want to make sure that people are who they say they are and that they’re not trafficking drugs. Democratic talking point: We need affirmative action. Racist reasoning: Black people just aren’t as smart as white people, they need more help. They don’t know how to do things like white people do. Rational reasoning: Black people have been historically oppressed and excluded in these areas. We’re going to try and correct that by giving them a helping hand. I see just as many actual racists on the left as the right. Meaning people that actually have racist reasoning behind their beliefs. The only difference is hard racists tend to lean right and soft racists tend to lean left. Hard racists being hate groups like white supremacists, soft racist being people just believe that other groups aren’t as smart as or as good as theirs and they have “sympathy” for those groups.
I’ve never seen a democrat give that racist reasoning for affirmative action ever. I have seen a LOT of that racist reasoning on the republican side. As for affirmative action, it’s not about giving a hand. Historically, white people in the US were including white people in “higher” careers and excluding people of color, no matter qualification or location. Businesses should reflect the areas that they’re in. If your business is in a black majority area and you have 0 black employees, then there’s a problem. That’s really why affirmative action exists, not to give black people a job regardless of experience or qualification.
This was great. I really loved watching you guys react to a pretty heavy-hitting film. Also it’s hilarious how many questions Holden asks in the other seat! It’s Jen’s turn to say “Who’s to say!!??” Haha
Oh shit this movie is a classic. Had an impact on me as a teen for sure. Holden's in for a treat. Need Seven and Fight Club if either of you haven't seen those.
at 6:11 Racist garbage of a nazi kid??? DUDE WTF DO YOU KNOW ABOUT REAL HISTORY???? You know nothing, other than the after war propaganda that got fed to your parents and then to you. You know shit about what actually happened and who were the good guys. You are like a citizen in Orwell's 1984 who gets TOLD who are the bad guys and who are the good guys and you just react. There is no independent thought between your ears. Of course thats no surprise you like silly superhero movies proving that you have a childish understanding of morality. __________________ You already should know that the GANGS in america who started to use the swastika and stuff like that, most have never read Hitler's book, they know nothing about NATIONAL SOCIALISM and the ideology. Hating other races is not part of national socialist ideology. What do you think that the real nazis in 1930 marched around and hated black people all day??? Grow up man. _______________ The only people with whom they had a problem were the jews and the reason was simple.... mostly jews were behind the spreading of COMMUNISM and in russia jews were behind the communist revolution. Over 80% of the bolsheviks were jewish. And in the west most of the bankers who created high DEBT based loans to governments and people were jewish. Hitler was fighting against COMMUNISm that was pushing from the east and also against a DEBT BASED MONETARY SYSTEM, that existed in the west , to free people. Learn real history not after war propaganda. ______________________ besides racism is a BS made up word... humans were tribal for over 20 000 years, and still are tribal , its in our nature, installed by evolution. You just PRETEND that you are not, for the sake of *VIRTUE SIGNALING.* _______________________ Go to JAPAN and lets see if they will take you as their own, even if you learn the language perfectly and their history, THEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT you. And i respect that. ____________________ Why are only white people obligated to accept everybody. Have you ever thought about that? It's time to wake up, stop watching superhero movies .
Conservative here. Everyone here can believe what they want to, but I can say with certainty that most Conservatives, most not all, have absolutely no problem with other races. Be that Black, Latino, what have you. The problem we have towards immigration is the illegal aspect of it. A countries security isnt anything to play around with. Staying as much out of politics as possible, the mainstream media paints almost all Conservatives in a bad light, nothing but negative. Whereas the other side(you'll have to look into it, most likely) literally depicts minorities as people who can't do things for themselves, thus keeping the same 'victim' mentality inside minorities. I invite you to look at alternative news sources. Anyways, I love your guy's reactions, gonna give this one a thumbs up as well. If you've made it this far, just know that those who do follow these ideologies as shown in this movie, those aren't viewed as sane by the vast majority of us. There's bad eggs on every side, so that's all you see in the news
I always like to tell the people who keep asking about what happens next, or keeps guessing at the trajectory of the movie, that they need to let the movie tell the story because I will not do it justice.
I can't stand it when people who ask questions while the movie is still playing, trying to figure it out. Holden, you are a bad movie watcher. Please don't do it again.
I’m Hispanic and I don’t want these idiots coming over the border illegally. There’s a process. That doesn’t make me racist. And yes my entire family who is Hispanic feels the same way.
@@van7915 I agree with you and people do that. It’s a process. You can’t just walk into someone else’s country just like you can’t walk into someone’s else’s house. I’m all for people coming to this country going to other country’s and making a life where you want. Especially if you are in a situation where your life is at risk and that’s why there is a process. The truth is 99.9% of people who come over the border don’t qualify for asylum because they live in a country where they can make a living.
@@markreyes2567 yeah but that process is restrictive and shouldn’t even be there to be honest. How come I can let’s say move to another state with less of a problem compared to a country it should be just as easy
@@van7915 did you just say that? how old are you? States are in America. One country. What the fuck did I just read. You are a citizen of the United States which means you can travel to any part of America. Different countries have their own laws and restrictions and different ideologies. It’s completely different than moving to another state. I’m not calling you dumb but that is the stupidest shit I have ever heard
Little fun fact about this movie is the original ending to this movie sees Derek going home after Danny’s death and would show him shaving his head going back to his old ways, but the director thought it was a terrible way to end the movie and changed it to what it is now.
I love these reactions. This movie is amazing. So powerful. You should watch "A time to kill" or since you like Edward Norton, you should check out Primal Fear
21:06 That's all it ever really takes..... Just one person to break through and change your entire perception. No matter how sappy or how deluded it may sound we all just really need a friend.
Might not be popular but maybe if you actualy lived you know near the border and see for yourself how lovely it is, you might change your opinion or not.
There's room for redemption for everyone in regards to racism/hate. As a black man there will always be levels of skepticism in terms of believing said people are being genuine just on the historical basis of that being some ploy. With that said, I feel like as the times/generations go on we try our best to find commonalities with an effort to dispel that culture. In that effort, the more people that buy in to that change build bridges of trust making it easier to see each as we truly are dispelling hate bred from differences and lack of understanding. Most people however hold on to hate because it makes whatever insecurities or inferiorities they feel they have easier to cope with in turn ruining it for groups trying change things. We as a people(Americans specifically)won't break that loop until we truly right the wrongs of those sins rooted in everything that we do and how it has effected us all...Anyway one of my favorite flicks didn't expect to see this one on this channel your wife is a gem bro honestly lol. My favorite channel on RUclips wish more people were like you both don't ever change and you guys have to do Dogma great movie!!! Keep it Chandler & Monica God Bless🙏🏾
Jen and Holden in case you didn't know in the original script, Derek ended up shaving his head and going back to his hate after Danny's death, because Tony Kaye the director wanted to make the point that the cycle never ends and people don't learn. Edward Norton hated that idea and had him change the ending, because he wanted to make the point that the cycle can be broken and people do change. It's an interesting tension of viewpoints. Can humanity be capable of change or will we always be circling this dark pattern?
Daryl Davis
Unfortunately, history tells us it’s the latter . All we can do is hope for the future
Even if we dont change I like that atleast art is trying to push us to be better, instead of confirming our fears.
Honestly the old ending would render the whole thing moot. After all that Norton's character went through, he would recognize that what happened to his brother was just a consequence of both of their actions.
at 6:11 Racist garbage of a nazi kid??? DUDE WTF DO YOU KNOW ABOUT REAL HISTORY????
You know nothing, other than the after war propaganda that got fed to your parents and then to you. You know shit about what actually happened and who were the good guys.
You are like a citizen in Orwell's 1984 who gets TOLD who are the bad guys and who are the good guys and you just react. There is no independent thought between your ears.
Of course thats no surprise you like silly superhero movies proving that you have a childish understanding of morality.
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You already should know that the GANGS in america who started to use the swastika and stuff like that, most have never read Hitler's book, they know nothing about NATIONAL SOCIALISM and the ideology.
Hating other races is not part of national socialist ideology.
What do you think that the real nazis in 1930 marched around and hated black people all day??? Grow up man.
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The only people with whom they had a problem were the jews and the reason was simple.... mostly jews were behind the spreading of COMMUNISM and in russia jews were behind the communist revolution.
Over 80% of the bolsheviks were jewish.
And in the west most of the bankers who created high DEBT based loans to governments and people were jewish.
Hitler was fighting against COMMUNISm that was pushing from the east and also against a DEBT BASED MONETARY SYSTEM, that existed in the west , to free people.
Learn real history not after war propaganda.
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besides racism is a BS made up word... humans were tribal for over 20 000 years, and still are tribal , its in our nature, installed by evolution.
You just PRETEND that you are not, for the sake of *VIRTUE SIGNALING.*
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Go to JAPAN and lets see if they will take you as their own, even if you learn the language perfectly and their history, THEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT you. And i respect that.
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Why are only white people obligated to accept everybody. Have you ever thought about that? It's time to wake up, stop watching superhero movies .
Jens face when she says “who’s to say” to Holden is priceless 😂
I wish she'd do the Mr burns face and hand gesture when he says excellent when she says "who's to say"
Satisfying to say the least.
Payback 😏
Timestamp?
@@theminingbat 5:00
Turns out Holden is a TERRIBLE movie watcher. 😂😂😂 So many questions. Jen was like "I've said 'Who's to say' 242 times" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
hes the worst
Dude is probably working all white blm rallies on the weekend 🤣
I couldn't even make it half way through.
@@andrewburch1671 I couldnt either. it was torture!
Horrible Holden. Stopped 5 minutes in
Never mind the curb stomp itself, it's the moment he puts his teeth on the concrete you can just feel it.
The fact you can hear the teeth scrape on the conrete...gods, that's just the worst.
That's a horrible scene. That and the knife scene in Saving Private Ryan. I can just feel both actions.
at 6:11 Racist garbage of a nazi kid??? DUDE WTF DO YOU KNOW ABOUT REAL HISTORY????
You know nothing, other than the after war propaganda that got fed to your parents and then to you. You know shit about what actually happened and who were the good guys.
You are like a citizen in Orwell's 1984 who gets TOLD who are the bad guys and who are the good guys and you just react. There is no independent thought between your ears.
Of course thats no surprise you like silly superhero movies proving that you have a childish understanding of morality.
__________________
You already should know that the GANGS in america who started to use the swastika and stuff like that, most have never read Hitler's book, they know nothing about NATIONAL SOCIALISM and the ideology.
Hating other races is not part of national socialist ideology.
What do you think that the real nazis in 1930 marched around and hated black people all day??? Grow up man.
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The only people with whom they had a problem were the jews and the reason was simple.... mostly jews were behind the spreading of COMMUNISM and in russia jews were behind the communist revolution.
Over 80% of the bolsheviks were jewish.
And in the west most of the bankers who created high DEBT based loans to governments and people were jewish.
Hitler was fighting against COMMUNISm that was pushing from the east and also against a DEBT BASED MONETARY SYSTEM, that existed in the west , to free people.
Learn real history not after war propaganda.
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besides racism is a BS made up word... humans were tribal for over 20 000 years, and still are tribal , its in our nature, installed by evolution.
You just PRETEND that you are not, for the sake of *VIRTUE SIGNALING.*
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Go to JAPAN and lets see if they will take you as their own, even if you learn the language perfectly and their history, THEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT you. And i respect that.
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Why are only white people obligated to accept everybody. Have you ever thought about that? It's time to wake up, stop watching superhero movies .
I can fuckin taste the concrete
The concrete must have tasted really good
"Has anything you've done made your life better?" Most powerful line of this movie. Might not be many words but damn if it doesn't say a lot.
Ooft it's a beautiful line. And so expertly applied and delivered. So simple and short, but profound in the moment. And afterwards too!
Oh my God Holden is the worst to watch a movie with that he hasn't seen 😂😂😂 "what happens next?" "Does this happen now?" 😂😂 bro just watch the movie ! 😂😂😂😂
Yeah I was like quit trying to ask for spoilers just watch and let it unfold.
I think it's because it's clear Holden felt very uncomfortable with this movie, and he was externalizing it. It is a very uncomfortable movie.
at 6:11 Racist garbage of a nazi kid??? DUDE WTF DO YOU KNOW ABOUT REAL HISTORY????
You know nothing, other than the after war propaganda that got fed to your parents and then to you. You know shit about what actually happened and who were the good guys.
You are like a citizen in Orwell's 1984 who gets TOLD who are the bad guys and who are the good guys and you just react. There is no independent thought between your ears.
Of course thats no surprise you like silly superhero movies proving that you have a childish understanding of morality.
__________________
You already should know that the GANGS in america who started to use the swastika and stuff like that, most have never read Hitler's book, they know nothing about NATIONAL SOCIALISM and the ideology.
Hating other races is not part of national socialist ideology.
What do you think that the real nazis in 1930 marched around and hated black people all day??? Grow up man.
_______________
The only people with whom they had a problem were the jews and the reason was simple.... mostly jews were behind the spreading of COMMUNISM and in russia jews were behind the communist revolution.
Over 80% of the bolsheviks were jewish.
And in the west most of the bankers who created high DEBT based loans to governments and people were jewish.
Hitler was fighting against COMMUNISm that was pushing from the east and also against a DEBT BASED MONETARY SYSTEM, that existed in the west , to free people.
Learn real history not after war propaganda.
______________________
besides racism is a BS made up word... humans were tribal for over 20 000 years, and still are tribal , its in our nature, installed by evolution.
You just PRETEND that you are not, for the sake of *VIRTUE SIGNALING.*
_______________________
Go to JAPAN and lets see if they will take you as their own, even if you learn the language perfectly and their history, THEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT you. And i respect that.
____________________
Why are only white people obligated to accept everybody. Have you ever thought about that? It's time to wake up, stop watching superhero movies .
@@Rorujin it is very uncomfortable movie to watch and even though it was good it was uncomfortable so I don't get how someone could LOVE it like Jen said she does
I know it's not good content for YT, so in this context I totally get it. But I really don't like people who talk through movies.I don't mind a question from time to time. But I'll pause the movie. Even if I've seen it 20 times.. 😂
I'm a male nurse, and black. So listening to Holden talk about the patient with the Swastika, I have several stories like that. I have seen it all and heard it all. I take my work seriously and will take care of anybody to the best of my ability, even if they are a terrible human.
i mean... that's the job.... medical responsibility is not trivial nor subject to personal feelings.... there is an understanding that this is the case
@@notimportant3686 Isn't that what he said?
Yeah…. Y’all are way better people than me cause I would have let him die. I think he would have been disgusted that a minority saved him, so yeah I would have respect his views and leave him be.
Black nurse here too and ive had many like that as well.
God bless all you nurses! One of the most difficult jobs out there along with educators!
Jen choosing two great movies back to back.
Keep up the "my husband watches "
Very cool and like to hear is input on these movies
Jen & Holden, I'm a 50 yr old black man. If I knew a person like Daryl in his past and knew about it 1) I would not seek him out to befriend him. I would watch to see their actions. 2) His actions that he's changed for the better would have to speak volumes. I mean enough to fill the grand canyon. Over my years in life I've made friends with people very easily. It felt like hanging around with some people that I was breaking down the stereotype they had in their heads. And this was when I was a young adult in the early 1990's. Those that were not cool I just no longer hung out with them. I feel like I'm just rambling on. Anyway! good movie and story told. May I recommend the Kevin Smith directed movie Dogma, (Yup! that religious dogmatic law) The Color Purple (Directed by Spielberg) BlacKKKlansman (Directed by Spike Lee) based on a true story in the 1970's.
BlacKKKlansman was a phenomenal movie
Oh they gotta see the blackkklansman !
I agree, all these movies are great, but if you get into Dogma, you might have also have to watch some others, like Jay and Silent Bob, Clerks, Mall Rats (long Stan Lee cameo in that film) and Chasing Amy
@@kylenewman011 Chasing Amy is an all-time favorite of mine. The most heart wrenching scene to me is the car scene when he confesses his feelings towards her, and how re initially responds.
Dogma lmao I love that movie but how's that fit in with the rest of your list?
Classic movie. Seen it when I was super Young. 8 years old if I would remember correctly
And As a black man, Derek’s reform and redemption came across as very sincere and not forced, the writers did a great job with that.
Now if this were real life, idk if I would be as forgiving, I would need a lot more time to see if the actions matched the words. But the movie got it right. I agree Jen 10 out of 10 movie
I've treated very racist patients with swastika tattoos before. In my mind i kinda just treat them like they've got a mental illness. They're out of their mind, may say some terrible things to you, but you just gotta do your job. It's easier to let it roll off your back when you treat it as an illness.
And you've probably treated hundreds of illegal immigrants, brought into the country systematically by leftist extremist politicians. And probably hundreds of gang members who for sure are in no way racist in any way...
This movie is one of 5 movies EVER that I would, without blinking, give 10/10. "Has anything you've done, made your life any better?" is the best line from any movie... right next to the Gladiator monologue.
Which monologue?
@@matheusm8239 "I am Maximus blablabla... father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife, and I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next"
Ethan Suplee's weight-loss is still incredible to see when you look back on his earlier acting jobs
Even just going back to My Name is Earl or the few times he was on Raising Hope, his weight loss has been an insane transformation
It's not just a weight loss. He got jacked AF.
@@jkhoover absolutely dude took it to a whole new level I've seen some of his bodybuilding pose pictures legs and abs are jacked af
@@neopagn2004 definitely I first knew of him via boy meets world then couple years ago I watched Santa Clarita diet and went wow he lost weight, then I went on Google to see what else he's been in and went holy dudes jacked
@@islandhomestead3995 I wish he could help me.
Edward Norton’s character was originally written to fall back into “the community” after his brothers death. Edward Norton refused and iirc threatened to quit, as he wanted his character to keep his redemption.
I feel like it was the right choice, even though it could reflect a lot of real life situations where people relapse due to things like that.
Seeing someone grow and change for the better even in the face of adversity just gives hope instead of meloncholy doom
At the 11 minute mark I think Derek's family does know he has reformed since leaving prison except for Danny who was at a school and didn't hear Derek say so. On rewatch I paid more attention to when Danny gets home from school and in the living room the first thing he sees is Derek on his knees hugging his mom and sister. I assume that's him begging for their forgiveness for what he did to them in a later flashback.
Another thing too, the final line in Danny's paper that says "we are not enemies but friends" comes from Abraham Lincoln during his first inauguration as a final plea to the southerners who were seceding
Jen trying her hardest to just ignore Holden's existence at the "they're going to kill his brother" part.
Right tho like stfu 🤣
I'm black and I feel that Derek's realization that there is some racism in the criminal justice system is when his coworker got 6 years for dropping a TV on the police officers foot and Derek killed a guy and only got 3 years. Overall I think Derek's redemption is great we all have done things that we are not proud of. I used to work in the prison system and I know all about having to join a group for protection and how easy it is to fall in with the wrong crowd. When you join these groups or gangs you stop thinking for yourself and someone else thinks for you and that's bad.
This doesn't really show racism in the criminal justice system. Derek was convicted of voluntary manslaughter. Depending on the state, 3 years is about average. Lamont, his laundry "coworker" stole a TV and because he dropped it on a cop's foot and broke the cop's foot, they called it assault on the cop or more likely, aggravated assault. Not really seeing where the racism comes into play.
Oh man I wonder how Holden is going to feel after the end of this movie. It’s a great but tough film to watch! A lot of real world issues.
Not a movie I'm looking forward to rewatch but a movie everyone should at least watch once.
As a black boy this was a mandatory watch growing up so my parents could should me that hate doesn’t just stem from nothing
So that gives you the right as a black person to instigate violence against another race, especially white? You would go around shooting up white folks now?
there are 2 actors in the film from star trek shows. principal sweeney is played by avery brooks, who was also Ben Sisko on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, where he was the first black actor to lead a star trek show. the sister is played by jennifer lien, who played kes on star trek: voyager
Captain Sisko is the GOAT and Brooks is amazing in both roles.
Oh shittt i didn't realize she was Kes. Nice lol
Im a black guy from the south... Shout out to St. Pete FL! But A.H.X. is one of my fav movies all time. True, it is a tough watch but the story is so worth the watch. But holden i can tell you are truly a good man and being good doesn't come with a race.
I don't want to get into a political discussion on RUclips - I'm not even a 'Republican' - but if you want to know what a Republican thinks, ask one, not what someone else thinks a Republican thinks.
Thank you, I'm a former liberal I switched 7 yrs ago, definitely republican gets a bad name and people don't know the facts. There's good and bad in people being a Democrat or Republican isn't what makes someone a racist or a nazi
I believe he's talking about most Republican leaders. If you want to be thought of as an individual in the party, you have to fight against those on the party who are talking and following that rhetoric, or you'll always be thought to be on the same page.
@@laurenherda2415 I'm a liberal and I will always condemn the overreaction on certain elements of the Democrat party.
@@profshad3429 And I would say that I don't think even that is true when you actually go and observe the actions of the 'leaders'. What I see from media is selective editing and assumption of the worst motive for all things possible to manufacture a narrative that is mostly false, and over the last six years, it's gone Spaceballs-level hyper-active. I think Republicans - and specifically one certain Republican - have been lied about an awful lot over the last six years (though it started way befor this, I have come to realize). I said I wasn't a Republican, and I'm not, but I consider myself an open enemy of the Democratic Party as it is currently configured and behaving.
A lot of mindreading and bias, straw-maning, assumption, and exaggeration going on. It's also important to note that a person who is a mean or even evil isn't necessarily wrong about everything. I'm trying to avoid specific political topics because discussing politics on RUclips is folly, but immigration, for instance, is something you can be adamant about slowing down and controlling based on factors that are 100% not racist. So, to associate the desire to slow and control immigration with skinheads is incorrect and possibly deliberately manipulative.
Maybe if republicans don’t want such a negative public perception then they should stop propelling the worst and most hateful representatives of their party to the forefront.
As a Black American I agree with some of Derek’s points but he’s operating out of hate rage and violence he’s an extremists. The same could be said about some of the left side as well a lot of hate rage violence. I use to think that white folks were out to get black folks and all that shit then I realized the life I was living the culture I was surrounded by was toxic blaming white people for everything wrong in their lives instead of looking in the mirror and admitting the wrongs they’ve done, selling drugs gang violence stealing murder etc. When Sweeney says to Derek “has anything you have done made your life better” hit me hard as if he was speaking to me that’s when I changed my mindset to judge each person not on what they look like but the content of their character.
this couldnt sound more like a right wing nutjob virtue signalling and pretending to be black
You are correct. As a conservative, I do not look at color, sexuality (I'm Bi). As far as immigrants go. I'm all for it. Just do it the proper way. I bled for this country. I make less than $1000 a month from the VA. I met an "Illigal" immigrant family of 3. Mother father and son. They get free phones, housing and $6500 a month. Tell me how that makes sense. If you come over, do it properly.
I know it's not right at all, I'm a conservative I used to be a liberal for 15 yrs I woke up to so much I just did Mt research and educated myself. Our veterans deserve what we give illegals. So many come to this country the right way and it takes years and people who don't come the right way seem to get all the help.
@@laurenherda2415 such a shame that conservatives keep blocking the government help veterans need.
"Maybe he just smelled really bad" -Jen
HAHAHA, that got a genuine laugh out of me
I mean he probably didn’t wanna shower much in prison.
I love the start of a new series! I hope we can see more "My husband watches" in the future!
22:01 when Holden started talking about how Fandom can bring people together. It's actually little more deeper conversation they're having about the Celtics and Lakers during their youths the Celtics were considered the "Whiter" team while the Lakers were the "Blacker" team. Larry Bird was called by the media and supporters once he joined the Celtics "The Great White Hope" naturally a lot of alt-white groups used this as a label. So seeing Derek being defensive about the Celtics is very telling and that he's holding on to his old ideologies thinking of that dynasty but its now shifted forward towards the Lakers favor.
I don't know if Holden keeps up with sports but just thought I'd add something to the conversation. Love the channel and reactions.
I’m not sure, cos I wasn’t born yet, but I’m pretty sure that time of the Celtics being a dynasty was at the same of the race riots as a result of forced busing in poor Boston neighborhoods in the early to mid 70’s
Love how throughout Holdens trying to be lighthearted and male jokes and Jens just sat there blank face like the dog just died
It's because she is Jewish
And she can feel the movie
Jen saying “Who’s To Say” is the MCU equivalent of Tony getting the Infinity Gauntlet.
Clicked on this notification immediately. Love this movie. It's a tough watch but an important one.
i would be so annoying if someone at the beginning of a movie tries to know everything of the movie asking and asking instead of just watch and enjoy the movie.
Good for you Jen 👏👏, you are very patient 😅
I think he’s just so used to answer Jen’s questions that he feels the need to ask some himself
@@khosKarm maybe, but is a big difference to ask for something happening in the moment than asking for thing that you will know just watching
Holden not so good on the other end of not knowing anything lol
Chickenhawk means someone who talks up conflict and then expects others to go fight it for him. It got used a lot during Vietnam and the Iraq War to make fun of people who loudly supported the war while avoiding military service.
As a black person, (as Holden wondered on our thoughts) this movie is heavy, profound, emotional etc. I cried for Danny because I know how PEOPLE are influenced and led astray by predators of any group, male/female, black/white etc. In the end people want power and they want subjects. All groups. I’m a Christian so I see things through the filter of God, and I genuinely care about people. There is power in victimhood and there is truth in what people have suffered. But many people want to hide away their trespasses and their offenses. Kudos to you all for not being afraid to look in on this topic. There are hard truths that we must all face. Racism, sexism, religious persecution, etc. - The making of American history x is also a fascinating watch! On RUclips!
This is a hard movie ….to watch with this Holden guy. Jesus
It's funny watching Holden NOT know what is going to happen he just keeps trying to find out LOL
Oh and you are wrong so wrong about Republicans and immigration. They have NO problem with immigration, they welcome it. The issue they have is with open borders where the gangs traffic children prostitution and drugs are openly welcomed without any vetting. Without them having the education on the Constitution and what America Was suppose to mean and stand for. This is something that is/was unique to here No Where else in the world has it been and they need that education so they understand better. Look at the channel Yoel and Mari . Cubans that came to the USA Legally and is more grateful I think because of it, because it helped him understand.
Yeah it was really fucking annoying.
The Swastika symbol is not just associated with Hitler and the Nazis but has been used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality here in India for thousands of years. The Nazi symbol is a 45 degrees rotated Swastika with red background. Reverence for the Swastika symbol in Asian cultures, in contrast to the stigma attached to it in the West, has led to misinterpretations and misunderstandings.
No. Black, 45 degree rotated swastika on/in a white circular background, surrounded by red...
@@TesseRact7228 Yeah, precisely.
It was used all the time pre-WWII in the USA and Europe as a good luck charm, boy scouts, Coca-Cola ads, even a school sports team was called "The Swastikas". In the 1870's, archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann found the city of Troy, thought to be a myth. Everywhere on the pottery there were swastikas...eventually people started linking the symbol to an ancient Aryan race that founded most of the great ancient civilizations throughout the Indo-European region (Europe, Iran (literally means Aryan), India, etc. The Nazis adopted the myth that they were descended from these ancient people and the swastika became the official symbol of the (German) Aryan people. It's also found in lots of completely unrelated cultures, like Native Americans, too because it's basically a "sun wheel", the sun, spinning, with light rays, easy for unrelated people to create the same symbol.
@@DrD0000M damn... Thank you professor 🥸
Edward Norton had a hard time during the filming of this film. He was close to alot of African American men and women and showed alot of love to them and had to make sure if they saw the film that he is not like that. He showed so much respect for African American people in a way during filming but when he was not filming. I have so much damn respect for Ed Norton and how powerful his performance was as a nazi soldier but off screen he was so loving to everyone. I love him as a negative character and a good loving one. I can't ever say it enough that he's amazing. I liked him before I'd seen every one of his films before and several years ago I bought this one and watched it and every since I bought it and first watched it he's in my top 3 favorite actors.
Good lord Holden. Maybe ask less than 500 questions in the first 20 min of a movie.
Holden asks waaaay too many questions when he's the one watching something for the first time. Peel the onion my dude.
its because he has an inferiority complex. not knowing something makes him uncomfortable because he likes to lord hidden knowlege over people.
Just let the storytelling do the work, Holden, geeez
Really glad you guys watched this! And am really excited for Gladiator as well, you both will love it. Two great movies of the past :)
Such an impactful movie. So tough to watch, but so important to do so.
That being said..."fudge you, fork off". 🤣 🤣
Excellent editing. Lol
I noticed that too. That was good lol
Wow!!.... the tables have turned now that we see Holden become the Questioning viewer/reactor but at least with Jen it was borderline chill with Holden it's turned all the way up to Eleven LOL.... Poor Jen i pray and wish you tons of mental strength and much love...Amen
Holden if you're serious about understanding genuine dissident right ideology (and not this silly cartoonish caricature) I would advise looking up content from Keith Woods, Morgoth's Review, Academic Agent etc. or I can answer any questions you have here.
I would say that Holden has a knowledge of cinema and structure so he can pick apart a plot pretty quickly. For that reason he shouldn’t ask questions. I know he wants to and to have a dialogue but he should do what Matt does and take notes and then discuss afterwards. Otherwise he is just going to figure out the film.
It is a masterpiece. Norton, Furlong and Brooks characters, all deserved Oscars.
Great reaction, keen observations.
Speaking as a Hispanic man, just to let you know, there seems to be a growing representation of Hispanics and black Republicans👍and please, when it comes to the topic of race, don't be naive in thinking Democrats actually care about minority as much as the media wants you to believe
Republicans don’t care about minorities either. If they did we would have free health care, transportation, homelessness wouldn’t be a problem. None of the parties give two shits about you or any one. The US is so far right people in other countries in Europe are laughing at us
None of them care. Left, right, all politicians are the same. They just exploit whatever demographic they were quicker to get to. If Republicans hadn’t gotten to the evangelical crowd first the Democrats would’ve done it in a heartbeat. And vice versa for the Muslim crowd, if Dems hadn’t cast themselves as supportive early enough then Republicans would’ve jumped on it first.
It’s all just a game of power to them.
half the comments in this thread: "As a RACIAL MINORITY, I used to be on THE LEFT until I looked in the mirror and realized that MY PEOPLE were really troublemakers, and now I don't believe THE MEDIA, I think for myself! Now I JUST JUDGE PEOPLE BASED ON THE CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER INSTEAD OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN DID YOU KNOW WHO SAID THAT OMG IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE MLK!!!"
I’m really happy that Jen was able to get you towatch this powerful film. This movie had a profound impact on my life as a young man. You guys are the best.
Trivia: (if I remember correctly Ed Norton lived somewhere in Yonkers, NY. I remember seeing him on the MTA 4 line. I gave him a look of acknowledgment and he nodded back. I was thinking How much I wanted to say how much I liked his work, but didn’t say it out loud for his privacy. I did sneak a quick pic on my phone for proof to my girl and co-workers.
The whole time the only movie I could remember seeing him in was ‘The Incredible Hulk’. Lol 😂
Respect ✊🏿
As a fan of your channel I really enjoyed this. I notice tons of channels skip over amazing movies such as this one, that kind of sucks. As a black man I enjoyed this film and think the redemption part of it is well done. I went from hating him to actually feeling bad for him. He couldn't undo what he did, but he did the next best thing.
I read the title and I was like " Wait, what ?? He never saw it !?! ". This movie is such a masterpiece.
I really want Jen to give the camera knowing looks like Holden does when he knows what's coming.
I thought she was one of those persons that's never watched movies, good or bad, but she's watched pretty good ones.
4:40 Oh how the turned tables!! 😂😂 Good job Jen, nice uno reverse card!
"Maybe the Mexican gang has an opening.." 🤣
This movie is important and I saw it at a young age (15) and it made an impression. I wasn’t hateful or anything but insecure and impressionable and I had class mates who were leaning more to the old Derek. This movie helped me to become mentally stronger, so I could stand my own opinion against my class mates. I also love the dynamic change of My Husband Watches For The First Time. I am looking forward to more movie reactions like this (also the Both Haven’t Seen This type of reaction).
Being good or bad isn't about race. It's about the kind of person you choose to be. There are bad and good people in every race, gender, religion etc.
Holden asking for a ref during the basketball game lol
I think i like it better when Jen is the one who hasnt watched the movie and Holden has. Holden talks and asks waaaay more questions than jen when he hasnt seen the movie lol
No doubt..I'm thinking SHUT UP and watch. All questions will be answered by the movie.
Not enough people react to or even are aware of this move glad to see you guys react to this! Timeless classic one of my favs
"Chicken Hawk" is basically someone who is all talk and no walk. Usually used for people who fake being in the military but in Cameron's case Derrick uses it to call him out for never even doing time in prison even though he has a "anything for the cause" attitude.
Normally things that are hard to watch. Are things that are real. We have to remember everything in this movie has happened to someone.
Loved the video 👍
Its always fun to see Jen run the show and Holden along for the ride
The curb scene is one of the most chilling things I’ve ever watched. Knowing it’s happened to so many people and still happens daily is terrifying
Jen finally being able to pull all the Holden-isms. "Who's to say?"
Also, listening to all the racist arguments in this movie is literally shit you read on internet today. They really haven't upgraded their propaganda in over two decades.
Avery Brooks who plays Dr. Sweeney is a powerhouse. he is well known from star trek where he played Captain Sisko, well worth to check out his work there. he Also has a substantial part in the arts. might have been blacklisted, I think the last movie I've seen him in was 'The Captains'- a documentary by William Shatner about star trek captains.
This is a genuine incredible movie and I think everyone should watch it in school as it teaches some great lessons.
I watched it in school!!:)
I watched it in Highschool twice. Its a movie that definitely needs to be shown in schools.
I watched it on my own but I wish they showed it to us in school. I can imagine a lot of great conversations coming from it.
@@katwebbxoFor my school we had to get permission slips signed in order to watch the movie since its rated R and we were only maybe 15 or 16.
@@jasontodd6822 That makes sense. There were movies where we had to do the same. It's possible that another class showed it that I wasn't in unfortunately. I just remember hearing a lot about it before renting it myself.
“Oh yah I love 90s movies, you’re probably wondering how I got here.” LMAO
damn..... you got more questions than the wife 😂
Holden, you can NEVER act like Jen is asking to many questions. You were like 10× over her. Lol.
Oh and I didn't appreciate the shot at republicans, I mostly side with the right and I'm not racist. But I do support freedom of speech, so I'm not gonna throw a fit. Lol.
The movie is powerful and it's a good message for those, of any color, to let go of rage and hate.
As a black man I appreciate you guys take on the movie. It's a great movie and great story
Black guy here: Derek killing the car jackers was crazy but understandable based on their acts to commit a crime intentionally. The Principal was a beast. I wanted to feel as l am like him. But truly l am a mixture of derek, the Principal, and the laundry felon. Guy Torry. Very funny comedian. It is tough being educated near 40 year old in contemporary America. Until people can be honest about the horrors and trials of a black person in America, we won't have any true path forward. Many more to say, but instead, here are a few movies that you should consider for the polls: Thank you for Smoking, Rosewood, Heistz Spartan, Enemy at the Gates, Arlington Road, The Company you Keep, and Higher Learning
thank you for being a real black guy on the internet instead of a right wing troll pretending
@@EmbassyNerdcore they are sad excuses for people with no real character. I pity them but still believe they can be better
Great choice by Jen. One of my favorite movies ever. Can you guys watch ”The Thing” next? That’s another one of my favorites and I really think Jen will like it. Maybe not at first, but when the ending comes, she’ll love it.
She’s gunna hate the beginning lmao
Nice title. I'm waiting for "My husband watches Steel Magnolias for the 1st time."
I've only seen this movie once (once was enough) . Quite hard to watch but Everyone did a great job (actors/actresses). 10/10 and in my Top 30
I F****N LOVE THIS MOVIE!! I love the films that you choose to show Holden, Jen! 🎞🍿
As someone who holds conservative values (I’m libertarian politically) , I hate that they use vaguely “conservative” talking points (probably the same way Holden doesn’t like how they use Christianity) talking points aren’t necessarily racist and it goes both ways. Although the types of racism are different.
Example:
Republican talking point: We need tighter border security.
Racist reasoning: Mexicans are criminals and their stealing our jobs and ruining our country.
Rational reasoning: Cartels use our borders for human and drug trafficking. I don’t care if they’re handing out green cards and work visas in mass at the border, I just want to make sure that people are who they say they are and that they’re not trafficking drugs.
Democratic talking point: We need affirmative action.
Racist reasoning: Black people just aren’t as smart as white people, they need more help. They don’t know how to do things like white people do.
Rational reasoning: Black people have been historically oppressed and excluded in these areas. We’re going to try and correct that by giving them a helping hand.
I see just as many actual racists on the left as the right. Meaning people that actually have racist reasoning behind their beliefs. The only difference is hard racists tend to lean right and soft racists tend to lean left. Hard racists being hate groups like white supremacists, soft racist being people just believe that other groups aren’t as smart as or as good as theirs and they have “sympathy” for those groups.
I’ve never seen a democrat give that racist reasoning for affirmative action ever. I have seen a LOT of that racist reasoning on the republican side. As for affirmative action, it’s not about giving a hand. Historically, white people in the US were including white people in “higher” careers and excluding people of color, no matter qualification or location. Businesses should reflect the areas that they’re in. If your business is in a black majority area and you have 0 black employees, then there’s a problem. That’s really why affirmative action exists, not to give black people a job regardless of experience or qualification.
What about black supremacists and anti asian propaganda from those groups? Are they soft racists?
@@JoaoPereira-fe9fy I said generally, but those would probably be examples of “hard racism”
This was great. I really loved watching you guys react to a pretty heavy-hitting film. Also it’s hilarious how many questions Holden asks in the other seat! It’s Jen’s turn to say “Who’s to say!!??” Haha
A movie everyone should watch.
I remember watching this movie back in high school during in my Criminal Justice class
"Fandom can unite all types of people.
Except Star Wars."
I'm trying to not piss myself laughing 🤣🤣🤣
MY HUSBAND WATCHES?!! OMG I LOVE YOU GUYS
We all thought Jen was blind in movies but she actually picks out a few great ones . This one for sure 🔥
Holden sssshhhhhh just watch the movie jeeze lmfao
You guys did a Great Job with your review of this movie, I appreciated the thought provoking conversation you had with your audience.
Oh shit this movie is a classic. Had an impact on me as a teen for sure. Holden's in for a treat. Need Seven and Fight Club if either of you haven't seen those.
Both are on the channel
@@BGNewsReporter ooh cool thanks!
at 6:11 Racist garbage of a nazi kid??? DUDE WTF DO YOU KNOW ABOUT REAL HISTORY????
You know nothing, other than the after war propaganda that got fed to your parents and then to you. You know shit about what actually happened and who were the good guys.
You are like a citizen in Orwell's 1984 who gets TOLD who are the bad guys and who are the good guys and you just react. There is no independent thought between your ears.
Of course thats no surprise you like silly superhero movies proving that you have a childish understanding of morality.
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You already should know that the GANGS in america who started to use the swastika and stuff like that, most have never read Hitler's book, they know nothing about NATIONAL SOCIALISM and the ideology.
Hating other races is not part of national socialist ideology.
What do you think that the real nazis in 1930 marched around and hated black people all day??? Grow up man.
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The only people with whom they had a problem were the jews and the reason was simple.... mostly jews were behind the spreading of COMMUNISM and in russia jews were behind the communist revolution.
Over 80% of the bolsheviks were jewish.
And in the west most of the bankers who created high DEBT based loans to governments and people were jewish.
Hitler was fighting against COMMUNISm that was pushing from the east and also against a DEBT BASED MONETARY SYSTEM, that existed in the west , to free people.
Learn real history not after war propaganda.
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besides racism is a BS made up word... humans were tribal for over 20 000 years, and still are tribal , its in our nature, installed by evolution.
You just PRETEND that you are not, for the sake of *VIRTUE SIGNALING.*
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Go to JAPAN and lets see if they will take you as their own, even if you learn the language perfectly and their history, THEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT you. And i respect that.
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Why are only white people obligated to accept everybody. Have you ever thought about that? It's time to wake up, stop watching superhero movies .
holyhell, he just doesnt stop. omg
Conservative here. Everyone here can believe what they want to, but I can say with certainty that most Conservatives, most not all, have absolutely no problem with other races. Be that Black, Latino, what have you. The problem we have towards immigration is the illegal aspect of it. A countries security isnt anything to play around with. Staying as much out of politics as possible, the mainstream media paints almost all Conservatives in a bad light, nothing but negative. Whereas the other side(you'll have to look into it, most likely) literally depicts minorities as people who can't do things for themselves, thus keeping the same 'victim' mentality inside minorities. I invite you to look at alternative news sources. Anyways, I love your guy's reactions, gonna give this one a thumbs up as well. If you've made it this far, just know that those who do follow these ideologies as shown in this movie, those aren't viewed as sane by the vast majority of us. There's bad eggs on every side, so that's all you see in the news
I always like to tell the people who keep asking about what happens next, or keeps guessing at the trajectory of the movie, that they need to let the movie tell the story because I will not do it justice.
this is a good, powerful movie, the ending always makes me tear up.
What a great film. Whats unfortunate is it is 2022 n the topics covered in the movie are still fresh topics to this day
I can't stand it when people who ask questions while the movie is still playing, trying to figure it out. Holden, you are a bad movie watcher.
Please don't do it again.
Poor Jen lol 😂 Holden just watch it next time
I’m Hispanic and I don’t want these idiots coming over the border illegally. There’s a process. That doesn’t make me racist. And yes my entire family who is Hispanic feels the same way.
My Mexican grandparents who crossed the border illegally think the same way. I think it’s arrogant to think like that. “Rules for thee not for me”
I think people should have freedom of travel people should be able to live and work wherever they want
@@van7915 I agree with you and people do that. It’s a process. You can’t just walk into someone else’s country just like you can’t walk into someone’s else’s house. I’m all for people coming to this country going to other country’s and making a life where you want. Especially if you are in a situation where your life is at risk and that’s why there is a process. The truth is 99.9% of people who come over the border don’t qualify for asylum because they live in a country where they can make a living.
@@markreyes2567 yeah but that process is restrictive and shouldn’t even be there to be honest. How come I can let’s say move to another state with less of a problem compared to a country it should be just as easy
@@van7915 did you just say that? how old are you? States are in America. One country. What the fuck did I just read. You are a citizen of the United States which means you can travel to any part of America. Different countries have their own laws and restrictions and different ideologies. It’s completely different than moving to another state. I’m not calling you dumb but that is the stupidest shit I have ever heard
"Chicken Hawk" talks a big game but never backs it up and leaves it to someone else to do the dirty work.
Jen😍, didn't see it in you!! Training Day, now this!
Little fun fact about this movie is the original ending to this movie sees Derek going home after Danny’s death and would show him shaving his head going back to his old ways, but the director thought it was a terrible way to end the movie and changed it to what it is now.
This is so much more silly and cartoonish than I remember. It's basically Tumblr fan fiction.
And seeing the dad and Seth who were both from boy meets world in this shows their acting range
I love these reactions. This movie is amazing. So powerful. You should watch "A time to kill" or since you like Edward Norton, you should check out Primal Fear
21:06 That's all it ever really takes..... Just one person to break through and change your entire perception. No matter how sappy or how deluded it may sound we all just really need a friend.
Might not be popular but maybe if you actualy lived you know near the border and see for yourself how lovely it is, you might change your opinion or not.
There's room for redemption for everyone in regards to racism/hate. As a black man there will always be levels of skepticism in terms of believing said people are being genuine just on the historical basis of that being some ploy. With that said, I feel like as the times/generations go on we try our best to find commonalities with an effort to dispel that culture. In that effort, the more people that buy in to that change build bridges of trust making it easier to see each as we truly are dispelling hate bred from differences and lack of understanding. Most people however hold on to hate because it makes whatever insecurities or inferiorities they feel they have easier to cope with in turn ruining it for groups trying change things. We as a people(Americans specifically)won't break that loop until we truly right the wrongs of those sins rooted in everything that we do and how it has effected us all...Anyway one of my favorite flicks didn't expect to see this one on this channel your wife is a gem bro honestly lol. My favorite channel on RUclips wish more people were like you both don't ever change and you guys have to do Dogma great movie!!! Keep it Chandler & Monica God Bless🙏🏾