If you think 750 hp from a 2L v4 is crazy, you should react to the bmw m12, a 1.5L inline 4cyl F1 engine running on 5.6 bars of boost and producing over 1400 hp in the mid 80's.
@@andregon4366 they actually used engine blocks pulled from cars from the scrapyards, which had done a few 100K miles. "if it's reached that much at 80HP, surely it'll last one lap at 1400HP" they thought. They *abused* those blocks. let them outside in the rain, peed on them, you name it. of course, the engine rarely lasted over 2 laps, but it didn't need to. they would just be thrown onto the stack and they'd fit a new one in in just 15 minutes. The fuel they used came close to todays rocket fuel xD
Correct! Back then, the F1 teams also hired chemists to formulate custom fuels for the cars. This practice ended when drivers were being blinded and poisoned by the exhaust.
Ahhh, good old Days, when fuel was cheap and the glorious M10-Engines from BMW ruled the world. Trivia: Did you know they only used old motor blocks which where lying around outside the factory, the older the better, because steel doesn't get worse over time, no it has got better and better. The Fuel came from ESSO: Advertising slogan: Put the tiger into the tank. And sometimes I thought the must have meant real fluffy tiger-babys.
They retired the car because they wanted to focus more on Formula E series, also the record that this car set was beaten the same year by lewis hamilton in the merc f1, can you imagine what would happen if you take a f1 car and remove the regulations giving it 4wd active aero and more electric power
And in WEC side itself, the LMP1 class was already dying, leaving toyota being the only factory supported team to race and basically having no competition, which result them to won le mans 3 years in a row. A bit of pale win(s), but it's kind of a revenge win since in 1994 toyota also had no competition on group c class, but get beaten by porsche because they found a loophole on the GT class
I suspect an unleashed F1 car, although very cool, would not make a ton of sense because youre getting to the limit of drivability. They already keep F1 cars in check to make them slowers so that humans can still drive those damn things. An unleashed F1 car would just knock drivers unconcious under braking and in corners.
As stunning as this car became and as insane as that lap time is, I just can't let go of preferring the previous record that Stefan Beloff set. Just something about that romantic feeling of hustling one of those 956 monsters around the Ring all those years ago. Manual gearbox, off the chart ground effects, turbo lag measured in days, far less sophisticated tyre technology... Beast of a car paired with a beast of a driver !
@@Revheadrev if anything technically the 919 would have a hybrid record/ Overall where as the old 956 is generic ICE. Should still hold something in theory, but nothing ... nothing is like an old racecar
The reason it stood for so long was because that was the last time time Group C era machinery raced on the Nordschlief. After that the endurance regulations changed and they began using the longer 24hr layout(which uses the new GP circuit)
Massive respect to you for not omitting the ending e in Porsche. I know most Americans pronounce it "Porsh" but like you Americans say Nike (Naikee) most Germans did pronounce it "Naik", like in Ike, Mike, sike, bike, ... but it is a brand name and has it's own pronunciation likewise Porsche with a slightly stressed e in the end.
Back in 1983, BMW engines in the Brabham F1 cars had 1500 hp with 1.5 turbos. But this Porsche 919 Evo uses 1100 hp for endurance races from 6 hrs to 24 hrs!
No and nope. This 1100 hp is for unrestricted version not for endurance one. That 1500 hp BMW L4 Turbo was an ONE LAP engine for qual. So it is tortured for performance and lasts only one lap.
I would love to see you react to the w11 Mercedes F1 Car (2020) they absolutely nailed the rules. Its probably overall the fastest f1 car ever. If i remember correct Lewis Hamilton and Vallteri Bottas pulled about 7 g in Mugello.
@@mikeblatzheim2797 is there a lap or a video of the f2004 on slicks? I would love to compare them around spa. Its probably the best track for these two. Long straight lobg fast corners, slow tight corners. And both of them raced there. I think these two would be within half a second, wich is incredible if you consider that one of them is like 16 years older
@@Andy-pb5xh one of the things that made the f2004 so good was they way they worked with the tire supplier. They intentionally made the tires much softer because that pushed them so far ahead they could just do more pitstops
@@mikeblatzheim2797 most likely because otlf the fuel flow limit and extra weight, but yeah I might still believe that. Current spec is still the most efficient by a long shot I'd say.
@@Hepsewind i didn't know that😄 that is honestly brillant. But it's not possible anymore, cause the tyres are all the same and now since 2022 the rims are the same too. I think it takes a bit of wind out of aero development, but it seems to work.
Ian, have a look at the history of the "Porsche 917" back in the 1970s with its 4 litre twin turbo 1,200 BHP (Brake Horse Power) Group C Racer to be gob smacked. The cars were banned because they were such MONSTERS and no one could compete. Try 2.5 G lateral cornering acceleration. acceleration like an AA fuel dragster full on and so fierce the drivers had to have their legs in slings so that their feet would not slide off the pedals (this was old style rear drive. The 917 would give an interesting hurry up to the EVO !! BUT BUT THEN have a look at what (MONSTER !! ON STEROIDS !!!) the guys at the Porsche Works in Zuffenhausen were quietly working on !! My god !!! For the 4 wheeled equivalent to the NASA SATURN 5 ROCKET, the engine a 5 liter flat 16 cylinder (NOT 4 litre !) with a crank so long they took the power off the crank shaft from the middle to eliminate flex and it was to go in one of two Group C prototype chasis with "ALL WHEEL DRIVE !!! You got that Ian ???!! That was back in the 1970s with none of the latest hi tech stuff. Of course the project was cancelled (Damn !!) but you can see the motors and chasis etc at the Porsche Museum !!! Evo is nice but that 5 litre could have produced near 2,000 BHP possibly and it would SMASH the 917 lap records and especially the long Mulsanne Straight in Le Mans !! Sad but man !!!
group c was only started in the 80's. group 6 which the 917 was part of got killed off only because it was never intended to stay beyond 72 anyways. it was a grandfathering ruleset for older cars to compete and fill up the grid more which porsche and ferrari took advantage off nearly bankrupting both of them. the 917/30 was a group 7 car which used the flat 12 of the 917 with a turbocharger, originally it was intended for a flat 16 without turbo but the turbo option was easier. group 7 killed itself also due to the massive spending.
At Holloman AFB, John Paul Stapp made history aboard the Sonic Wind I rocket sled on December 10, 1954, when he set a land speed record of 632 mph in five seconds, subjecting him to 20 Gs of force during acceleration. Although he had a surplus of volunteers for the dangerous ride, he chose himself for the mission, not wanting to place another in such a potentially hazardous position. When the sled stopped in just 1.4 seconds, Stapp was hit with a force equivalent to 46.2 Gs, more than anyone had yet endured voluntarily. Though he managed half a smile as he was pulled from the sled he was in great pain, and his eyes flooded with blood from the bursting of almost all their capillaries. As Stapp was rushed to the hospital, he worried that one or both of his retinas had detached, leaving him blind. Fortunately, by the next day, he had regained enough of his normal vision to be released by his doctors, though his eyesight would never fully recover.
Oh yeah, Driver61 is founded by Scott Mansell, an actual race driver. He broke quite a few lap records for his class in his career and I think he still holds the Indy track version of Brands Hatch. The configuration for Brands Hatch for Indy car is a relatively short configuration of the track though, the records for the full track vs the Indy version is around 1 minute for the full track and 30 something for the Indy version.
to be honest it isn´s soo hard to build a car faster than the F1...the F1 is impressive because the engeneers build V6 1.6 litre engines with 1000 hp and highspeed of 220 mph. In 1986 the BMW F1 engine already had 1500 hp,since that time the FIA reduced the power of the engines constantly. Every F1 fan cries when he remembers the sound of the old V12 engines. The times of "faster and faster" are long ago. The challenge for engeneers is to go new ways and leave old things behind. The Porsche museum shows thay way impressive.
Porsche used another incredible Hybrid-System in the 911 GT3 R Hybrid. It was a flywheel on the passengers seat charged by 2 front-electric-engines which worked as a generator while breaking. The power accelerated the flywheel up to 40000 rpm. This rotating energy can be used for acceleration for the 2-front-electric-engines. So for some seconds the 911 has 4WD. The power output was about 200 PS. 488 PS from the 6Ender-Boxer + 200 PS Hybrid.
5:47 - I've been "nagging" you about hillclimbing because I know you'd react that way to those crazy numbers coming out of 4-cylinder engines. Without being too much of a spoiler, I can tell you that some of the hillclimb 4-cylinder monsters produce more than that. ; )
Aero aside, its amazing how much extra pace was gained considering the only engine modification was the removal of the fuel restrictor (& only extra 40hp on the electric motor).
The 919 was an awesome car .. it more or less continued the other VAG racing effort by Audi with their E-tron series of cars. As for the Porsche 956 that record was set by Stefan Bellof in 1983 ... ( ruclips.net/video/vHPiiHDZUro/видео.html ) and it was done during the qualifying sessions for the Nürburgring Nordschliefe 1000 that year. During the qualifying his team mate Derek Bell went around the track with a 35mm cinematography camera onboard his 956 ( ruclips.net/video/L_gbs0ntWsM/видео.html ) Most 956 cars were eventually upgraded to 962's ... one of those in the hands of Derek Bell went onto win the 1987 Le Mans ... Chris Harris got the chance to drive that exact car at the Porsche development track .. he didn't pass it up ( ruclips.net/video/PZxC-knQmkM/видео.html ) The real beginning for the 956/962 cars is a series of cars that began with the 917 ... the ultimate version of that was the 917/30 that was run in the CANAM series .... shown here at GFoS ( ruclips.net/video/-HWZaktBuvE/видео.html )
"As for the Porsche 956 that record was set by Stefan Bellof in 1983 ... ( ruclips.net/video/vHPiiHDZUro/видео.html ) and it was done during the qualifying sessions for the Nürburgring Nordschliefe 1000" And i was there 1983 and met Stefan Bellof in the Background. He was a realy nice guy.
I remember back in September 1965 ford produced a V4 1,663 cc (101.5cu in) and later a 1,996 cc 121.8cu in) engined 4 door salon car which was a great car for it's time , as the small size weight made the engine very popular with Hot Rods as here in the UK our cars aren't that big, except for a few . There's not many left on the road most in collections or museum's.
1.41.252 Merc AMG F1 during the 2020gp Qualifying. There is a crazy side by side comparison video, interesting how the Evo dominates sector 1 and 3, but the F1 is a beast in the middle sector
A modern F1 car without any rulebook limitations would probably a 50:50 live-or-die situation for any driver who tries to bring the maximum out of it. Setting lap records with that thing would be be a suicide mission, but hey... your might become a legend! :D
I don’t know if you are aware of Konnigsegg, but their new 4 seat megacar, the’Gemera’ has the craziest hybrid system in a road car. Also 1700 hp!! Also there is a great video of Chris Harris giving the 919 a drive. His reaction says everything about that wild machine.
I don't know for sure, if that's why Porsche chose a V4 engine, but 90°-V4 with 90°-270°-90°-270° ignition timing is supposed to get torque better down (or rather: don't overstrain the tires by giving them that small amount of extra-time between the firing of its cylinders) because of its uneven firing order. That's also why quite a few race bikes use V-configurations, and the Yamaha R1 has an inline four with a crossplane crank (270° - 180° - 90° - 180° ignition).
Hey mate, really enjoying your vids and your enthusiasm for learning as many different disciplines of motor racing you can. Good stuff brother, keep it up!
Loved the 919 Nurburgring video so watched this one - also enjoyed it tremendously! I can see myself working through a bunch more of your videos - so of course subscribed - thanks! 🤩😎
So the 919 Evo produces a total of 1160bhp. In 1973 I went to Silverstone for an Interserie (Group 8) race in which Leo Kinnunen beat Willi Kauhsen over two legs, both driving Porsche 917/10 Spyders. They were 5.3 litre turbos producing over 1000bhp . I remember the rear tyres were 24 inches wide and the differential was welded solid to handle the power. They were reaching 220mph at the end of Hangar Straight. Awesome beasts and that was 49 years ago.
There are also defuser system UNDER the car. The main reason of it's down force. That's why the pilot is sitting with his legs up. They needed that space. You can see it in one of JP Performance videos. The record driver shows it in that video. Sadly I don't know the name of the video anymore. But I guess searching for "JP Performance Porsche 919 Evo" will do the job.
It happens (car is decommissioned) because most of these cars are test beds for new tech that will eventually land on road cars. Maybe we'll be seeing some VW/Audi with V4 bangers in the future. The thing now, as it is in F1, is using e-fuel (full synthetic gasoline), made via electrolysis of Carbon Dioxide, paired with Hidrogen to create new benzene and gasoline molecules, which are all Carbon and Hidrogen combinations with the main molecule being benzine. Meaning that cars using this e-fuel can produce their own fuel via Carbon Dioxide which will be captured again and re-processed at a facility later on. The CO2 emmissions will drop significantly and it is told to be the last nail in the Electric Car coffin. The only culprit here is the electricity needed to generate more e-fuel due to the Carbon and Hidrogen needed to be removed from CO2 and H2O respectively vie electrolysis.
The earliest automotive use of V4 engines were in Grand Prix racing (later called 'Formula One') cars. One of the pioneering V4 engines was in the 1898 Mors rear-engined car built in France.[3][4] At the time, the lack of vibration from the V4 engine was a key selling point.[5] However, the car's V4 engine was replaced by a conventional inline-four engine by 1901. In the 1907 French Grand Prix, the car entered by J. Walter Christie used a 19,891 cc (1,214 cu in) V4 engine, the largest engine ever used in a Grand Prix race.[6] The engine was mounted transversely in the front and the car was front-wheel drive. The car retired from the French Grand Prix after just four laps, however, it later set a speed record of 164 km/h (102 mph).[7] The first V4 engine used in production cars was the Lancia V4 engine that was first used in the 1922 Lancia Lambda.[8] The Lancia engine was a narrow-angle design with an angle of 20 degrees between the banks and a single cylinder head with one overhead camshaft shared by both banks. It also used aluminium for both the block and head (which was unusual for the time).[9] Lancia produced V4 engines until 1976, when they were replaced by flat-four engines. The 1960-1994 ZAZ Zaporozhets is a Soviet city-type car that used a rear-mounted V4 engine.[9] This engine was based on the design used in the LuAZ-967 amphibious military vehicle. It featured air-cooling with a magnesium block and was produced in displacements from 0.7-1.2 L (43-73 cu in).[10] The AMC Air-cooled 108 was a 108 cu in (1.8 L) engine built from 1960 to 1963 for use in the lightweight M422 Mighty Mite military vehicle.[11][12] The M422 developed was by American Motors Corporation (AMC) in the United States and specifically designed to be transported by helicopter.[13][14] Beginning in the 1960s, Ford's European divisions produced two unrelated V4 engines.[9] The first was the Ford Taunus V4 engine, produced in Germany from 1962 to 1981. The Taunus was a 60-degree V4 engine with water cooling and overhead valves. Initially designed for use in front-engined cars, it was used in various Ford models and also used in the front-wheel-drive Saab 95, Saab 96, and Saab Sonett models. It was also used in the mid-engine Matra 530 sports car.[15][16][17] The second Ford V4 engine was the Ford Essex V4 engine, produced in the United Kingdom from 1965 to 1977 and used in several Ford Corsair, Capri, Consul, Zephyr, and Transit models.[18] Although designed separately from the Taunus engine, the Essex also was a 60-degree V4 with water cooling, overhead valves, and designed for use in front-engined cars/vans. The Porsche 919 Hybrid LMP1 racing car used in the 2014-2017 seasons used a 2.0 L (122 cu in) 90-degree turbocharged V4 engine that was mid-mounted.[19]
Don't forget Porsche have consistently built cars that are quicker than the F1 cars of the time; don't forget the 917LH which for years held the record for the Mulsanne straight at over 230 mph; I think it was capable of close to 240. A derivative of it the 917/30 was definitely capable of 240 mph. Also those cars were beautiful; modern LMP cars are ugly.
The unofficial all-time track record set during a race weekend is 1:41.252, set by Lewis Hamilton in a Mercedes-AMG F1 W11 EQ Performance, during final qualifying for the 2020 Belgian Grand Prix. The official lap record for the current circuit layout is 1:46.286, set by Valtteri Bottas during the 2018 Belgian Grand Prix. Both were fully legal and rules compliant F1 cars. The 919 Evo ran a 1:41.7.
I mean you heard jani in the video, he isn't used to that much downforce and grip, the 919 could easily go at least a second faster if they put more time into it and had him train his neck over more than just 2 months like f1 drivers do
@@bestopinion9257 it's a completely different way from lmp1, with an f1 car the dimensions of everything is super limited, and the cars are designed as light as possible because minimum weight is so low, the only thing they realistically would improved very much is allowing the engine to kill itself to get more power out of it, that's about it. unrestriced lmp1 has a much higher impact in preformance than f1, it's a formula, if you want the cars to be faster you need to redesign the whole thing. great examples btw
@@bestopinion9257 F1 doesn't have more regulations than a lemans lmp1 car first of all the engine and chassis is same with 919 which made for working stable for 24 hours that's alone above any F1 regulations and still manages to be faster than most of the F1 cars
@@vr5lover It is a LM car but unrestricted and pushed to the limits becoming an ONE LAP car. And so was on pair with F1 cars that use 4 engines per season and every wing and little thing like fuel consumption, RPM and so on is restricted. "Faster than most F1 cars" is misleading. By how much? 0.5 s? 1s? Make an unrestricted F1 car, make it for one lap and will gain in performance many seconds as 919 did.
If you find the V4 incredible for power, you should check out the 600hp 3 banger from koenigsegg.. Also, yes, top end aero grip cars have, in many ways, more in common with certain aircraft.
The cornering forces quoted are similar to those in F1. Where the 919 Evo beats F1 is in top speed. Those 4 big tyres and barn door rear wing aren't that aerodynamic.
I think you got the g-forces wrong regarding Indycar! Any racing car will easily hit the 2 g mark, from braking alone. I know it's mostly ovals, but on street courses they will reach that for sure. Btw, highest g-force in a racing accident, that was actually survived? Kenny Bräck crashed 2003 in Texas with an Indycar, at 214 g on impact!
Funny thing is, if they make an F1 car without rules, it would still look like the 919 Evo. The open wheels add to drag but they need to be kept that way due to the rules, so if you take away the rules the F1 wheels while be covered like an LMP car.
And an LMP car without rules would be a single seater. Porsche didn't change the "2 seat" layout of the 919 due to not wanting to redesign a new car but just modifying an existing car and changing a car to central single seat would required a complete redesign of the chassis.
You don't even need to throw the whole F1 rule book out. Just get the fuel flow limit out and you would instantly have a 13? 14? maybe 1500hp absolute monster...
Literally if you remove the fuel flow limit and the RPM limit the engines will produce at least a couple more hundred horsepower It's crazy what they get for HP for a max 1.7kg/min flow rate
Have you checked out the Can-Am series from the 70’s and 80’s, including the Porsche 917/30 called the Turbo Panzer. The fastest race car built at the time and maybe still.
the porsche 956 is highly regarded as the most sucessful race car ever, it was the first car to have properly sorted ground efects. there is footage of the 956 nearly hitting 400km down the old mulsanne straight of le mans with Derek Bell as the driver, the 962 is the same car as the 956 but with the driver now moved behind the front axle line. it had 2 brake calipers per front wheel it had a four speed gearbox , the engine was a 2.65 litre flat six engine based on the 911 engine but with 4v heads and liquid cooling.
I think the main reason for both Audi and Porsche pulling out from LMP1H class was due to costs and since the FIA did nothing about implementing a cost cap despite the constant nagging from the teams (mainly Audi and Porsche, with Toyota signing the letters but not being vocal about it - as usual), it got to the point where the camel's back broke. IIRC, there were some statements in 2017-2018 that said the R&D costs for those cars were somewhere around €400M per season, but don't quote me on that. No matter how much tech the teams got out of it that could be used for road cars (and according to them they got A LOT of useful things from all that R&D which made it somewhat worth it to run for 5-6 years), they just couldn't keep dumping that much money on hybrid tech that was proving to not be reliably applicable on road vehicles and they just moved their focus to Formula E and relevant tech. It is also relevant to mention the fact that those cars were designed to run for 24h which, in a way, is a live stress test under extreme conditions on any component that could be used on a road car, unlike F1. This is also why you see both Audi and Porsche not getting into the F1 grid as teams but mainly as a power unit supplier (Audi) and R&D cooperation + usage of specialized infrastructures type deal (Porsche with Red Bull). They already know how much of a headache it is and what they actually want/need from F1 from their experience running the LMP1H.
Lancia won the Italian Rally Championship from 1965 to 1973, and the International Championship For Manufacturers (predecessor of the WRC) in 1972 with the Fulvia. Its power plant was, you guessed it, a V4.
You should react to the concept car of the X2010. It is a concept designed by Adrian Newey, one of the greatest F1 designers of all time, when given the assignment of a "no rules car" The car is so fast, that it would be impossible to drive for a human, due to the sheer amount of acceleration and cornering forces being too intense. When Sebastian Vettel tried it out on the simulator, he broke the Suzuka lap record by 20 seconds on his very first lap (I think project dream has a video on it)
Reason why the car was retired was they wanted to focus on Formula E. But also being part of the VW Group and Audi withdrawing from prototype racing after the Diesel gate scandal. They decided to focus else where. How ever they are making a return next season. Penske and Porsche.
On the topic of just eliminating the fuel flow limit increasing the power so drastically, my grandfather and other older relatives used to smoothen the inside of the fuel pipes of their Simson's (mopeds/light motorbikes) which would apparently give quite a boost.
15:25 So I guess what we learn from this -> If we want even faster lap times and cornering speeds, we need to either get rid of drivers in the cockpit and control it remotely, since Humans can't handle the forces anymore, or we need to put the drivers into some sort of active pressure suits and possibly IV drugs of some sort.
Well if you remove the rules from an F1 car then it will surely be faster on a single lab but what would happen if they had to compete for 24h? That's what people always forget, reliability subtracts speed. An LMP1 is built to work for 24h strait while an F1 car is built to work for 1.5h (it is not 100% true because they are only allowed to use 3 or 4 engines per season but still)
I love your motorsport reactions! I've seen so many of them in the last month and enjoyed every single one of them. If you plan on buying new gear for the channel i would suggest lighting. With better lights you can control the temperature (your skin tones look more natural), the shadows, and the greenscreen gets better lit. So it is easier to include in the video without the borders visible. Video suggestion: look into smaller european hill climbs and rallyes. You get a feel for the local racing scene and some have crazy vintage cars. I suggest the "Osnabrücker Bergrennen" or the "Stemweder Berg Rallye" as examples. Keep up your great work!
Correction: WAS* faster than an F1 for a few days 😂😂😂 3:30 And Porsche left WEC (Word Endurance Championship) to race at Formula E at the time and as they had won everything at WEC in the past years they decided to leave the series and focus at FE..but they'll come back to Wec at the hypercar class next year if I'm not mistaken 4:10 you're right it was a Group C car...Porsche had a car that had a top speed at the Mulsane straight of over 230mph
They retire the car because there is a new rule book. The old car was made to fit the LMP1 rule. (P stand for Prototype). The new rule is called LMH, H stand for Hypercar. So there is a new one, specially for the new rules.
The most powerful F1 engine ever was a 1.5L straight-four engine turboboosted developed by BMW in the 80s, the M12. The 1986 version of the engine was around 1350-1500 hp according to BMW engineers but that power was never used during the race, it was too much, only for qualifying. Check the cars that used that engine. It was insane.
They stopped because of 'dieselgate'. Yes, it wasn't Porsche, but some cars in the VAG company had some 'issues' on the dyno and exhaust measures. And that cut the investment of the Porsche racing team, because a big fine was given to the mother company of Porsche.
Check out this finnish kid, Kalle Rovanperä - first year of rally driving at age of 8. Kalle is now WRC driver. And another good one is finnish F1 driver Kimi, Top 10 Moments of Kimi Raikkonen Brilliance.
The reason they stopped racing with the Porsche 919 was simply the evolution of Porsches overall racing programm. They intended to concentrate more and more on electric racing. So as a consequence they switched from racing in the WEC LMP1 class to racing in Formula E.
At WEC they then concentrated on customers 911 GT-LM. Another reason for the retirement of Porsche 919 and Audi R18 was also financial crisis in VAG (after kat software scandal) which couldn't afford anymore running 2 LMP1 manufacturers.
Pretty sure the 919 end is on dieselgate, VW had to shut off their WRC program that they were dominating as well. So not far fetch that it could be the culprit when they decided to end Audi and Porsche LMP1 program
Re-Endurance. The only limitation is the tyres as far as I can see. You could still drive the car as an endurance car, just without pushing it to it's limits. It should still perform well at similar power output levels to the race setup surely? Just get the pit team to say "Don't give it the beans Derek" and off you go!
Adrian Newey, who is Red Bull Racing's head of aerodynamics actually made an unrestricted car in cooperation with Gran Turismo 5. It's called the Red Bull X2010 and so quick that humans would pass out due to all the G-forces during cornering. It's supposed to have a 1600HP V6 engine which gives it a 300mph+ top speed. We're talking sub 3:30 laps on the Nordschleife in a simulator. that's *two minutes* quicker than the 919 EVO. The car is absolute insanity. Unfortunately no running prototype has been built, but one body of it exists. to put it bluntly: the X2010 is every aerodynamicists wet dream
They quitt because of 4 reasons: 1. No competition in LMP1 anymore - because of a super super (!) expensive and yearly changing ruleset, what reduced the count of LMP1 Teams to 2. 2. Massive problems inside the Volkswagen Family (The Diesel Affaire). 3. Focus on high performance electric racing and tech dev. They need to replace the 911s iconic boxer engines soon. 4. To free Capacities for Porsche Racing Customer Services.
Probably it's kind of interesting for you: there has been a year, when Group4-Sportscars were actually faster than F1-Cars under Race-Conditions. The year was 1970, and the Porsche 917s and Ferrari 512s crushed the F1-Laptimes at Spa-Francorchamps, despite the fact that they're race-duration/-distance was TRIPPLE!
If Porsche gets into f1 they would definitely do it at some point but the issue is that it’s not the car it’s the driver. These cars are so fast that now the driver is slowing them down. 919 evo could have been much faster but the driver could not handle the gs forced by the car. The 919 was pulling 5 gs which is on par with f1, throw a f1 driver who can handle 3-6 gs it could go much faster. Tires are an issue as well. Make the car autonomous, you can make the car as fast as you want.
volkswagen IDR is crazy fast, also take a look at the AM Valkyrie wich is a combined project of Aston Martin and Redbull racing, Adrian Newey is the lead designer of the car
At Holloman AFB, John Paul Stapp made history aboard the Sonic Wind I rocket sled on December 10, 1954, when he set a land speed record of 632 mph in five seconds, subjecting him to 20 Gs of force during acceleration. Although he had a surplus of volunteers for the dangerous ride, he chose himself for the mission, not wanting to place another in such a potentially hazardous position. When the sled stopped in just 1.4 seconds, Stapp was hit with a force equivalent to 46.2 Gs, more than anyone had yet endured voluntarily. Though he managed half a smile as he was pulled from the sled he was in great pain, and his eyes flooded with blood from the bursting of almost all their capillaries. As Stapp was rushed to the hospital, he worried that one or both of his retinas had detached, leaving him blind. Fortunately, by the next day, he had regained enough of his normal vision to be released by his doctors, though his eyesight would never fully recover.
On the fact that F1 without regulations would be faster you're right. The F1 without regulations would have wheel covers and active aero. Also they have to make the engine last for as many races as they can so they could go higher in terms of power, for example the maximum speed of the turbine is limited, the maximum fuel flow rate is set and also the amount of energy they can recover from the mgu-k during a lap is limited at 2MJ if i remember well. So probably the'll be faster.
Going fast with lots of grip and having to do tight turns zig-zagging,yeah its a neck breacker!!!!A Carbon Fiber helmet and a Neck Guard with your right size,can be your best friends!
I'm old enough to be when 100hp out of a 1,000cc motor was thought of as high performance. 720hp from a 2,000cc V4 isn't something that was even considered possible. 360hp/1,000cc? Over 3 times better. A 360% percent increase. Holy crap.
I think they retired the car because there just was not enough competition in LMP1 after 2017. Audi and Rebellion left LMP1 in 2016 so in 2017 there were only Toyota and Porsche left. I think they wanted to complete the hattrick of winning 3 24 Le Mans races in a row and then left. They also focused more on Formula E.
I read somewhere that it's the most complex sports car ever made. And in defense of LMP1, F1 is really faster but it not endure 24 hours in a row. And Congrats ! Very nice video ! :)
F1 is heavily restricted. An engine for example should last many races and must be economic and rev is restricted too. The size of wings, wheels, everything is regulated. With this restricted car at Spa Ham and Bottas were slightly faster than this unrestricted 919 Evo.
It's a racecar... Basically only computers become obsolete faster. And in case they don't, the ACO (LeMans board) change the rulebook. They do this for several reasons like safety, levelling the playing field for lower budget teams, advancing new tech etc. - if you're not already working on next years race car, you're already behind.
As mentioned in this video, it's _relatively_ easy to build a car faster than an F1 car, because F1 cars are limited by many rules that actually hamper performance.
I think because of dieselgate with the vws and audis, vw said they were distancing them selfs from motorsport as porsche and audi were racing each other and vw owned both of them, one had to go. I could be wrong on this so
We get electric grand prix open wheel here on TV from time to time They swap car half way through race as battery don't last whole race They sound just like scale electric cars we played with as kids Only reason we get to see it sometimes is some Aussie race them and won 🏆
Are you talking about Formula E? They no longer have to change cars halfway through races, I believe they only did that for the first couple of seasons(they must be on their 6 or 7th season by now) before the battery tech improved enough for them to manage to complete a full race distance.
These cars had 8MJ of battery vs 4MJ for an F1 car as well. The turbo V4 was amazing but not as amazing as the units in current F1 cars. Also take in to account that this car has much better Michelin tyres vs F1's pirelli's.
The most funny thing is when the engineer goes over the car and what they changed and at the end is like "ohyeah, and we gave it skirts" 😂 which is like the most impactful thing
It was retired because the program and funding period from Porsche was coming to an end and The Le Mans 24hr rules were a little up in the air. For any of these sportscar teams Le mans is the only thing that really matters the World Endurance Championship is basically secondary to winning Le Mans. Porsche are working with Penske to make a car for the new rules and will run next year the car made its official debut at the Goodwood festival of speed this week. Also there will be an Aussie driving it. Sportcar racing/Endurance racing was becoming more popular than F1 in the early 90s. This was Group C racing and the FIA almost deliberately broke it by forcing every team to use the 3.5 litre engine rules of F1 which sent the cost even further skyward than they already were driving manufacturers back towards F1 and Le Mans and the WEC only really 80% recovered in the early 2000s and the top level of Sportscar Prototype racing has only had a few years where more than maybe 2 manufacturers have been able to win the 24hr and some years with Toyota lately where they had to finish and they were basically guaranteed to win. This is all changing basically from now the new rules have brought manufacturers back to the top level of Sportscars. Toyota are still there with a small company called Glickenhaus which are actually American, Cadillac, Porsche/penske, Ferrari, Peugeot are all basically confirmed to be entering next year or the year after and rumours are for a few other manufacturers to join as well such as Renault/Alpine who have had a half arsed entry the last 2 years
When you bounce back between saying "Porsch" and "Porscha", the second one is a lot closer to what it is actually pronounced in Germany.. To pronounce the letter "E" in Porsche like Germans do is probably tough for an American: It's kinda like the E in Hell or Heli more than the E in Help ("HAAALP!") for example, but still slightly different.. Anyways, when you say it like "Porscha" i guarantee every German will understand what you mean - i heard way worse pronunciations either way. Keep up the great work - i'm not even big on motorsports but i thoroughly enjoy your videos.
What I don't get is why Porsche not simply put up a tent 1 km before the start/finish line and there change the tires, make a final check up and go, this would guarantee you have fresh tires for the lap, remeber a single lap on the nurburgring are 26 km so this must have caused some tirewear even by rolling around. And if these thing are 'so' soft then you wouldn't need a whole lap of the Nürburgring to heat them up.
If you want to watch a great video on the Porsche 956 you should check out Chris Harris video on it where he also interviews one of the engineers who build that thing.
A side note is that the open wheel design of F1 cars actually make them slower, it just goes back to the first forms of Motorsport. If F1 cars covered the wheels and cockpit they would be much faster
My comment is beyond late lol, but F1 turns can go from 3 gs up to 6 gs so what he was experiencing was nothing compared f1 drivers...Kevin Mag went from f1 to endurance back to f1 so i believe he can push that porsche to its full potential!
If you think 750 hp from a 2L v4 is crazy, you should react to the bmw m12, a 1.5L inline 4cyl F1 engine running on 5.6 bars of boost and producing over 1400 hp in the mid 80's.
What?
How is it possible for a 1.5L to have 1400 hp?
What kind of alien materials and alternate dimension fuel did they use?
@@andregon4366 they actually used engine blocks pulled from cars from the scrapyards, which had done a few 100K miles. "if it's reached that much at 80HP, surely it'll last one lap at 1400HP" they thought. They *abused* those blocks. let them outside in the rain, peed on them, you name it.
of course, the engine rarely lasted over 2 laps, but it didn't need to. they would just be thrown onto the stack and they'd fit a new one in in just 15 minutes.
The fuel they used came close to todays rocket fuel xD
Correct! Back then, the F1 teams also hired chemists to formulate custom fuels for the cars. This practice ended when drivers were being blinded and poisoned by the exhaust.
Ahhh, good old Days, when fuel was cheap and the glorious M10-Engines from BMW ruled the world. Trivia: Did you know they only used old motor blocks which where lying around outside the factory, the older the better, because steel doesn't get worse over time, no it has got better and better. The Fuel came from ESSO: Advertising slogan: Put the tiger into the tank. And sometimes I thought the must have meant real fluffy tiger-babys.
@@andregon4366 they used the most german shit ever. brain.
A unrestricted F1 car would look a bit like a LMP car, cos the first thing the engineers would do is cover the wheels and cockpit.
Yes, kinda like concept f1 Red Bull 2020 XX or something like that was the name of that vehicle
When even racing motorcycles have mudguards.
@@Seb-Storm the X2010 ;)
Adrian newey said the first thing he would take off, would be the mirrors
@@14thtn35 course, they are pointless unless racing other cars..
They retired the car because they wanted to focus more on Formula E series, also the record that this car set was beaten the same year by lewis hamilton in the merc f1, can you imagine what would happen if you take a f1 car and remove the regulations giving it 4wd active aero and more electric power
Wrong it was because of the VW Diesel fraud.
@@michaeld.uchiha9084 yeah sure
And in WEC side itself, the LMP1 class was already dying, leaving toyota being the only factory supported team to race and basically having no competition, which result them to won le mans 3 years in a row. A bit of pale win(s), but it's kind of a revenge win since in 1994 toyota also had no competition on group c class, but get beaten by porsche because they found a loophole on the GT class
The LMP1 program was nearly as costly as an F1 program, but doesn't have the exposure or income for the team.
@@alieffauzanrizky7202 WEC return to be competitive with the hypercar class, Peugeot, Chevrolet, Ferrari...
I suspect an unleashed F1 car, although very cool, would not make a ton of sense because youre getting to the limit of drivability. They already keep F1 cars in check to make them slowers so that humans can still drive those damn things. An unleashed F1 car would just knock drivers unconcious under braking and in corners.
As stunning as this car became and as insane as that lap time is, I just can't let go of preferring the previous record that Stefan Beloff set. Just something about that romantic feeling of hustling one of those 956 monsters around the Ring all those years ago. Manual gearbox, off the chart ground effects, turbo lag measured in days, far less sophisticated tyre technology... Beast of a car paired with a beast of a driver !
Agreed. Hardly any driver aids - Beloff was the King. Sadly, that dude was never going to get a pension…
@@Revheadrev if anything technically the 919 would have a hybrid record/ Overall where as the old 956 is generic ICE. Should still hold something in theory, but nothing ... nothing is like an old racecar
Dont be like that, yes its true, beast of a driver, but this one is too, even with aid, controling this monster at that speed is a feat man :)
Keep in mind the old record was set on a slightly shorter layout of the track, thats why it stood for decades.
Track length 1983 - 20.832km. Track length for the new records - 20.832km
@@neilbt478 You have to take inflation into account though. 20.832km was way more back then.
@@inamortz2372 it's Putin's fault.
Bridge to gantry times are a separate list
The reason it stood for so long was because that was the last time time Group C era machinery raced on the Nordschlief. After that the endurance regulations changed and they began using the longer 24hr layout(which uses the new GP circuit)
Massive respect to you for not omitting the ending e in Porsche. I know most Americans pronounce it "Porsh" but like you Americans say Nike (Naikee) most Germans did pronounce it "Naik", like in Ike, Mike, sike, bike, ... but it is a brand name and has it's own pronunciation likewise Porsche with a slightly stressed e in the end.
Yes. How hard can it be?
@@elonkuva Obviously it's extremely difficult for some people. 🤣🤣
@Tuokool We call you guys "pouchies" due to kangaroo pouches.
Back in 1983, BMW engines in the Brabham F1 cars had 1500 hp with 1.5 turbos. But this Porsche 919 Evo uses 1100 hp for endurance races from 6 hrs to 24 hrs!
No and nope.
This 1100 hp is for unrestricted version not for endurance one.
That 1500 hp BMW L4 Turbo was an ONE LAP engine for qual. So it is tortured for performance and lasts only one lap.
I would love to see you react to the w11 Mercedes F1 Car (2020) they absolutely nailed the rules. Its probably overall the fastest f1 car ever. If i remember correct Lewis Hamilton and Vallteri Bottas pulled about 7 g in Mugello.
I suspect the Ferrari F2004 on the same tyres would still be faster, but that Mercedes was still incredibly fast.
@@mikeblatzheim2797 is there a lap or a video of the f2004 on slicks? I would love to compare them around spa. Its probably the best track for these two. Long straight lobg fast corners, slow tight corners. And both of them raced there. I think these two would be within half a second, wich is incredible if you consider that one of them is like 16 years older
@@Andy-pb5xh one of the things that made the f2004 so good was they way they worked with the tire supplier. They intentionally made the tires much softer because that pushed them so far ahead they could just do more pitstops
@@mikeblatzheim2797 most likely because otlf the fuel flow limit and extra weight, but yeah I might still believe that.
Current spec is still the most efficient by a long shot I'd say.
@@Hepsewind i didn't know that😄 that is honestly brillant. But it's not possible anymore, cause the tyres are all the same and now since 2022 the rims are the same too. I think it takes a bit of wind out of aero development, but it seems to work.
Ian, have a look at the history of the "Porsche 917" back in the 1970s with its 4 litre twin turbo 1,200 BHP (Brake Horse Power) Group C Racer to be gob smacked. The cars were banned because they were such MONSTERS and no one could compete. Try 2.5 G lateral cornering acceleration. acceleration like an AA fuel dragster full on and so fierce the drivers had to have their legs in slings so that their feet would not slide off the pedals (this was old style rear drive. The 917 would give an interesting hurry up to the EVO !! BUT BUT THEN have a look at what (MONSTER !! ON STEROIDS !!!) the guys at the Porsche Works in Zuffenhausen were quietly working on !! My god !!! For the 4 wheeled equivalent to the NASA SATURN 5 ROCKET, the engine a 5 liter flat 16 cylinder (NOT 4 litre !) with a crank so long they took the power off the crank shaft from the middle to eliminate flex and it was to go in one of two Group C prototype chasis with "ALL WHEEL DRIVE !!! You got that Ian ???!! That was back in the 1970s with none of the latest hi tech stuff. Of course the project was cancelled (Damn !!) but you can see the motors and chasis etc at the Porsche Museum !!! Evo is nice but that 5 litre could have produced near 2,000 BHP possibly and it would SMASH the 917 lap records and especially the long Mulsanne Straight in Le Mans !! Sad but man !!!
group c was only started in the 80's. group 6 which the 917 was part of got killed off only because it was never intended to stay beyond 72 anyways. it was a grandfathering ruleset for older cars to compete and fill up the grid more which porsche and ferrari took advantage off nearly bankrupting both of them.
the 917/30 was a group 7 car which used the flat 12 of the 917 with a turbocharger, originally it was intended for a flat 16 without turbo but the turbo option was easier. group 7 killed itself also due to the massive spending.
At Holloman AFB, John Paul Stapp made history aboard the Sonic Wind I rocket sled on December 10, 1954, when he set a land speed record of 632 mph in five seconds, subjecting him to 20 Gs of force during acceleration. Although he had a surplus of volunteers for the dangerous ride, he chose himself for the mission, not wanting to place another in such a potentially hazardous position. When the sled stopped in just 1.4 seconds, Stapp was hit with a force equivalent to 46.2 Gs, more than anyone had yet endured voluntarily. Though he managed half a smile as he was pulled from the sled he was in great pain, and his eyes flooded with blood from the bursting of almost all their capillaries. As Stapp was rushed to the hospital, he worried that one or both of his retinas had detached, leaving him blind. Fortunately, by the next day, he had regained enough of his normal vision to be released by his doctors, though his eyesight would never fully recover.
Oh yeah, Driver61 is founded by Scott Mansell, an actual race driver. He broke quite a few lap records for his class in his career and I think he still holds the Indy track version of Brands Hatch.
The configuration for Brands Hatch for Indy car is a relatively short configuration of the track though, the records for the full track vs the Indy version is around 1 minute for the full track and 30 something for the Indy version.
That record is too specific/niche. I hold the lap record for running around my house.
When I looked it up it was around 1:12 for the full circuit in an F1 car.
to be honest it isn´s soo hard to build a car faster than the F1...the F1 is impressive because the engeneers build V6 1.6 litre engines with 1000 hp and highspeed of 220 mph.
In 1986 the BMW F1 engine already had 1500 hp,since that time the FIA reduced the power of the engines constantly.
Every F1 fan cries when he remembers the sound of the old V12 engines.
The times of "faster and faster" are long ago.
The challenge for engeneers is to go new ways and leave old things behind.
The Porsche museum shows thay way impressive.
F1 is fast due to the unlimited budget.
Porsche used another incredible Hybrid-System in the 911 GT3 R Hybrid. It was a flywheel on the passengers seat charged by 2 front-electric-engines which worked as a generator while breaking. The power accelerated the flywheel up to 40000 rpm. This rotating energy can be used for acceleration for the 2-front-electric-engines. So for some seconds the 911 has 4WD. The power output was about 200 PS. 488 PS from the 6Ender-Boxer + 200 PS Hybrid.
5:47 - I've been "nagging" you about hillclimbing because I know you'd react that way to those crazy numbers coming out of 4-cylinder engines. Without being too much of a spoiler, I can tell you that some of the hillclimb 4-cylinder monsters produce more than that. ; )
Aero aside, its amazing how much extra pace was gained considering the only engine modification was the removal of the fuel restrictor (& only extra 40hp on the electric motor).
I feel like they added more battery packs too
Also an extra 40hp from electric sounds small, but a 25hp electric anything will do backflips
@@dylanzrim3635 feelings are for women. facts are for men
The 919 was an awesome car .. it more or less continued the other VAG racing effort by Audi with their E-tron series of cars.
As for the Porsche 956 that record was set by Stefan Bellof in 1983 ... ( ruclips.net/video/vHPiiHDZUro/видео.html ) and it was done during the qualifying sessions for the Nürburgring Nordschliefe 1000 that year. During the qualifying his team mate Derek Bell went around the track with a 35mm cinematography camera onboard his 956 ( ruclips.net/video/L_gbs0ntWsM/видео.html )
Most 956 cars were eventually upgraded to 962's ... one of those in the hands of Derek Bell went onto win the 1987 Le Mans ... Chris Harris got the chance to drive that exact car at the Porsche development track .. he didn't pass it up ( ruclips.net/video/PZxC-knQmkM/видео.html )
The real beginning for the 956/962 cars is a series of cars that began with the 917 ... the ultimate version of that was the 917/30 that was run in the CANAM series .... shown here at GFoS ( ruclips.net/video/-HWZaktBuvE/видео.html )
"As for the Porsche 956 that record was set by Stefan Bellof in 1983 ... ( ruclips.net/video/vHPiiHDZUro/видео.html ) and it was done during the qualifying sessions for the Nürburgring Nordschliefe 1000"
And i was there 1983 and met Stefan Bellof in the Background. He was a realy nice guy.
I remember back in September 1965 ford produced a V4 1,663 cc (101.5cu in) and later a 1,996 cc 121.8cu in) engined 4 door salon car which was a great car for it's time , as the small size weight made the engine very popular with Hot Rods as here in the UK our cars aren't that big, except for a few . There's not many left on the road most in collections or museum's.
That same engine is found in SAAB 96 V4
If you are interested in small displacement V engines look at BRM. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Racing_Motors_V16
@@dhrracer Not very interesten in engines, simply a SAAB fanatic =D
1.41.252 Merc AMG F1 during the 2020gp Qualifying.
There is a crazy side by side comparison video, interesting how the Evo dominates sector 1 and 3, but the F1 is a beast in the middle sector
A modern F1 car without any rulebook limitations would probably a 50:50 live-or-die situation for any driver who tries to bring the maximum out of it. Setting lap records with that thing would be be a suicide mission, but hey... your might become a legend! :D
I don’t know if you are aware of Konnigsegg, but their new 4 seat megacar, the’Gemera’ has the craziest hybrid system in a road car. Also 1700 hp!!
Also there is a great video of Chris Harris giving the 919 a drive. His reaction says everything about that wild machine.
Especially because it makes 600 hp from a 3 cylinder
I think Koenigsegg just set a new record. 0-400kph-0 and 0-250mph-0. I can't remember the time put it's a new world record for a production car.
F1 drivers usually experience 5gs under braking, 2gs under acceleration & 4-6 gs while cornering.
I don't know for sure, if that's why Porsche chose a V4 engine, but 90°-V4 with 90°-270°-90°-270° ignition timing is supposed to get torque better down (or rather: don't overstrain the tires by giving them that small amount of extra-time between the firing of its cylinders) because of its uneven firing order. That's also why quite a few race bikes use V-configurations, and the Yamaha R1 has an inline four with a crossplane crank (270° - 180° - 90° - 180° ignition).
The v4 on its own has 500 kw with high fuel saving rules its crazy +394kw elektro power 🥵
Hey mate, really enjoying your vids and your enthusiasm for learning as many different disciplines of motor racing you can. Good stuff brother, keep it up!
Loved the 919 Nurburgring video so watched this one - also enjoyed it tremendously! I can see myself working through a bunch more of your videos - so of course subscribed - thanks! 🤩😎
So the 919 Evo produces a total of 1160bhp. In 1973 I went to Silverstone for an Interserie (Group 8) race in which Leo Kinnunen beat Willi Kauhsen over two legs, both driving Porsche 917/10 Spyders. They were 5.3 litre turbos producing over 1000bhp . I remember the rear tyres were 24 inches wide and the differential was welded solid to handle the power. They were reaching 220mph at the end of Hangar Straight. Awesome beasts and that was 49 years ago.
There are also defuser system UNDER the car. The main reason of it's down force. That's why the pilot is sitting with his legs up. They needed that space. You can see it in one of JP Performance videos. The record driver shows it in that video. Sadly I don't know the name of the video anymore. But I guess searching for "JP Performance Porsche 919 Evo" will do the job.
It happens (car is decommissioned) because most of these cars are test beds for new tech that will eventually land on road cars.
Maybe we'll be seeing some VW/Audi with V4 bangers in the future.
The thing now, as it is in F1, is using e-fuel (full synthetic gasoline), made via electrolysis of Carbon Dioxide, paired with Hidrogen to create new benzene and gasoline molecules, which are all Carbon and Hidrogen combinations with the main molecule being benzine. Meaning that cars using this e-fuel can produce their own fuel via Carbon Dioxide which will be captured again and re-processed at a facility later on. The CO2 emmissions will drop significantly and it is told to be the last nail in the Electric Car coffin.
The only culprit here is the electricity needed to generate more e-fuel due to the Carbon and Hidrogen needed to be removed from CO2 and H2O respectively vie electrolysis.
Lots of mid 80s onboard footage in the 956,look up Derek Bell 👍
The 919 is fast,but it wouldn't be any good on a rally stage🤷
So you think a 956 could compete on a rally stage? 🤣🤣 Are you thinking of a 959?
@@toolbaggers 😂no, just pointing out that the 919 would be undrivable on a rally stage,and so would the 956.
The earliest automotive use of V4 engines were in Grand Prix racing (later called 'Formula One') cars. One of the pioneering V4 engines was in the 1898 Mors rear-engined car built in France.[3][4] At the time, the lack of vibration from the V4 engine was a key selling point.[5] However, the car's V4 engine was replaced by a conventional inline-four engine by 1901.
In the 1907 French Grand Prix, the car entered by J. Walter Christie used a 19,891 cc (1,214 cu in) V4 engine, the largest engine ever used in a Grand Prix race.[6] The engine was mounted transversely in the front and the car was front-wheel drive. The car retired from the French Grand Prix after just four laps, however, it later set a speed record of 164 km/h (102 mph).[7]
The first V4 engine used in production cars was the Lancia V4 engine that was first used in the 1922 Lancia Lambda.[8] The Lancia engine was a narrow-angle design with an angle of 20 degrees between the banks and a single cylinder head with one overhead camshaft shared by both banks. It also used aluminium for both the block and head (which was unusual for the time).[9] Lancia produced V4 engines until 1976, when they were replaced by flat-four engines.
The 1960-1994 ZAZ Zaporozhets is a Soviet city-type car that used a rear-mounted V4 engine.[9] This engine was based on the design used in the LuAZ-967 amphibious military vehicle. It featured air-cooling with a magnesium block and was produced in displacements from 0.7-1.2 L (43-73 cu in).[10]
The AMC Air-cooled 108 was a 108 cu in (1.8 L) engine built from 1960 to 1963 for use in the lightweight M422 Mighty Mite military vehicle.[11][12] The M422 developed was by American Motors Corporation (AMC) in the United States and specifically designed to be transported by helicopter.[13][14]
Beginning in the 1960s, Ford's European divisions produced two unrelated V4 engines.[9] The first was the Ford Taunus V4 engine, produced in Germany from 1962 to 1981. The Taunus was a 60-degree V4 engine with water cooling and overhead valves. Initially designed for use in front-engined cars, it was used in various Ford models and also used in the front-wheel-drive Saab 95, Saab 96, and Saab Sonett models. It was also used in the mid-engine Matra 530 sports car.[15][16][17] The second Ford V4 engine was the Ford Essex V4 engine, produced in the United Kingdom from 1965 to 1977 and used in several Ford Corsair, Capri, Consul, Zephyr, and Transit models.[18] Although designed separately from the Taunus engine, the Essex also was a 60-degree V4 with water cooling, overhead valves, and designed for use in front-engined cars/vans.
The Porsche 919 Hybrid LMP1 racing car used in the 2014-2017 seasons used a 2.0 L (122 cu in) 90-degree turbocharged V4 engine that was mid-mounted.[19]
Don't forget Porsche have consistently built cars that are quicker than the F1 cars of the time; don't forget the 917LH which for years held the record for the Mulsanne straight at over 230 mph; I think it was capable of close to 240. A derivative of it the 917/30 was definitely capable of 240 mph.
Also those cars were beautiful; modern LMP cars are ugly.
The unofficial all-time track record set during a race weekend is 1:41.252, set by Lewis Hamilton in a Mercedes-AMG F1 W11 EQ Performance, during final qualifying for the 2020 Belgian Grand Prix. The official lap record for the current circuit layout is 1:46.286, set by Valtteri Bottas during the 2018 Belgian Grand Prix. Both were fully legal and rules compliant F1 cars.
The 919 Evo ran a 1:41.7.
I mean you heard jani in the video, he isn't used to that much downforce and grip, the 919 could easily go at least a second faster if they put more time into it and had him train his neck over more than just 2 months like f1 drivers do
@@houseking9211 F1 is restricted in many ways. So if you say "if" I will say too.
@@bestopinion9257 it's a completely different way from lmp1, with an f1 car the dimensions of everything is super limited, and the cars are designed as light as possible because minimum weight is so low, the only thing they realistically would improved very much is allowing the engine to kill itself to get more power out of it, that's about it. unrestriced lmp1 has a much higher impact in preformance than f1, it's a formula, if you want the cars to be faster you need to redesign the whole thing.
great examples btw
@@bestopinion9257 F1 doesn't have more regulations than a lemans lmp1 car first of all the engine and chassis is same with 919 which made for working stable for 24 hours that's alone above any F1 regulations and still manages to be faster than most of the F1 cars
@@vr5lover It is a LM car but unrestricted and pushed to the limits becoming an ONE LAP car. And so was on pair with F1 cars that use 4 engines per season and every wing and little thing like fuel consumption, RPM and so on is restricted.
"Faster than most F1 cars" is misleading. By how much? 0.5 s? 1s? Make an unrestricted F1 car, make it for one lap and will gain in performance many seconds as 919 did.
If you find the V4 incredible for power, you should check out the 600hp 3 banger from koenigsegg..
Also, yes, top end aero grip cars have, in many ways, more in common with certain aircraft.
The cornering forces quoted are similar to those in F1.
Where the 919 Evo beats F1 is in top speed. Those 4 big tyres and barn door rear wing aren't that aerodynamic.
I think you got the g-forces wrong regarding Indycar! Any racing car will easily hit the 2 g mark, from braking alone. I know it's mostly ovals, but on street courses they will reach that for sure. Btw, highest g-force in a racing accident, that was actually survived? Kenny Bräck crashed 2003 in Texas with an Indycar, at 214 g on impact!
Funny thing is, if they make an F1 car without rules, it would still look like the 919 Evo. The open wheels add to drag but they need to be kept that way due to the rules, so if you take away the rules the F1 wheels while be covered like an LMP car.
And an LMP car without rules would be a single seater. Porsche didn't change the "2 seat" layout of the 919 due to not wanting to redesign a new car but just modifying an existing car and changing a car to central single seat would required a complete redesign of the chassis.
The replacement for the 919 was fully launched yesterday at goodwood. The 963. Penske is running them in the us too.
You don't even need to throw the whole F1 rule book out. Just get the fuel flow limit out and you would instantly have a 13? 14? maybe 1500hp absolute monster...
Literally if you remove the fuel flow limit and the RPM limit the engines will produce at least a couple more hundred horsepower
It's crazy what they get for HP for a max 1.7kg/min flow rate
Have you checked out the Can-Am series from the 70’s and 80’s, including the Porsche 917/30 called the Turbo Panzer. The fastest race car built at the time and maybe still.
the porsche 956 is highly regarded as the most sucessful race car ever, it was the first car to have properly sorted ground efects. there is footage of the 956 nearly hitting 400km down the old mulsanne straight of le mans with Derek Bell as the driver, the 962 is the same car as the 956 but with the driver now moved behind the front axle line. it had 2 brake calipers per front wheel it had a four speed gearbox , the engine was a 2.65 litre flat six engine based on the 911 engine but with 4v heads and liquid cooling.
I think the main reason for both Audi and Porsche pulling out from LMP1H class was due to costs and since the FIA did nothing about implementing a cost cap despite the constant nagging from the teams (mainly Audi and Porsche, with Toyota signing the letters but not being vocal about it - as usual), it got to the point where the camel's back broke. IIRC, there were some statements in 2017-2018 that said the R&D costs for those cars were somewhere around €400M per season, but don't quote me on that.
No matter how much tech the teams got out of it that could be used for road cars (and according to them they got A LOT of useful things from all that R&D which made it somewhat worth it to run for 5-6 years), they just couldn't keep dumping that much money on hybrid tech that was proving to not be reliably applicable on road vehicles and they just moved their focus to Formula E and relevant tech. It is also relevant to mention the fact that those cars were designed to run for 24h which, in a way, is a live stress test under extreme conditions on any component that could be used on a road car, unlike F1.
This is also why you see both Audi and Porsche not getting into the F1 grid as teams but mainly as a power unit supplier (Audi) and R&D cooperation + usage of specialized infrastructures type deal (Porsche with Red Bull). They already know how much of a headache it is and what they actually want/need from F1 from their experience running the LMP1H.
Lancia won the Italian Rally Championship from 1965 to 1973, and the International Championship For Manufacturers (predecessor of the WRC) in 1972 with the Fulvia. Its power plant was, you guessed it, a V4.
You should react to the concept car of the X2010. It is a concept designed by Adrian Newey, one of the greatest F1 designers of all time, when given the assignment of a "no rules car"
The car is so fast, that it would be impossible to drive for a human, due to the sheer amount of acceleration and cornering forces being too intense. When Sebastian Vettel tried it out on the simulator, he broke the Suzuka lap record by 20 seconds on his very first lap
(I think project dream has a video on it)
Hope you and your family are doing well Ian. Much love from Australia 🙏
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Reason why the car was retired was they wanted to focus on Formula E. But also being part of the VW Group and Audi withdrawing from prototype racing after the Diesel gate scandal. They decided to focus else where. How ever they are making a return next season. Penske and Porsche.
On the topic of just eliminating the fuel flow limit increasing the power so drastically, my grandfather and other older relatives used to smoothen the inside of the fuel pipes of their Simson's (mopeds/light motorbikes) which would apparently give quite a boost.
15:25 So I guess what we learn from this -> If we want even faster lap times and cornering speeds, we need to either get rid of drivers in the cockpit and control it remotely, since Humans can't handle the forces anymore, or we need to put the drivers into some sort of active pressure suits and possibly IV drugs of some sort.
F1 engines are not V4 2 litre but V6 however are only 1.6 litres and produce similar horsepower at maximum settings
Well if you remove the rules from an F1 car then it will surely be faster on a single lab but what would happen if they had to compete for 24h? That's what people always forget, reliability subtracts speed. An LMP1 is built to work for 24h strait while an F1 car is built to work for 1.5h (it is not 100% true because they are only allowed to use 3 or 4 engines per season but still)
I love your motorsport reactions! I've seen so many of them in the last month and enjoyed every single one of them.
If you plan on buying new gear for the channel i would suggest lighting. With better lights you can control the temperature (your skin tones look more natural), the shadows, and the greenscreen gets better lit. So it is easier to include in the video without the borders visible.
Video suggestion: look into smaller european hill climbs and rallyes. You get a feel for the local racing scene and some have crazy vintage cars. I suggest the "Osnabrücker Bergrennen" or the "Stemweder Berg Rallye" as examples.
Keep up your great work!
Correction: WAS* faster than an F1 for a few days 😂😂😂
3:30 And Porsche left WEC (Word Endurance Championship) to race at Formula E at the time and as they had won everything at WEC in the past years they decided to leave the series and focus at FE..but they'll come back to Wec at the hypercar class next year if I'm not mistaken
4:10 you're right it was a Group C car...Porsche had a car that had a top speed at the Mulsane straight of over 230mph
They retire the car because there is a new rule book. The old car was made to fit the LMP1 rule. (P stand for Prototype). The new rule is called LMH, H stand for Hypercar. So there is a new one, specially for the new rules.
The most powerful F1 engine ever was a 1.5L straight-four engine turboboosted developed by BMW in the 80s, the M12. The 1986 version of the engine was around 1350-1500 hp according to BMW engineers but that power was never used during the race, it was too much, only for qualifying. Check the cars that used that engine. It was insane.
Not too surprising. 1969-70 Porsche 917 with a flat 12, boxer, was said to be faster than a F-1, of the day, at certain tracks.
They stopped because of 'dieselgate'. Yes, it wasn't Porsche, but some cars in the VAG company had some 'issues' on the dyno and exhaust measures. And that cut the investment of the Porsche racing team, because a big fine was given to the mother company of Porsche.
As you love the group B rally cars, Please look at the metro 6R4. Best sounding group B in my opinion
Check out this finnish kid, Kalle Rovanperä - first year of rally driving at age of 8. Kalle is now WRC driver. And another good one is finnish F1 driver Kimi, Top 10 Moments of Kimi Raikkonen Brilliance.
Very informative thanks Ian, enjoyed the video very much and learned from your point of view also, cheers 🍻👍.
The reason they stopped racing with the Porsche 919 was simply the evolution of Porsches overall racing programm. They intended to concentrate more and more on electric racing. So as a consequence they switched from racing in the WEC LMP1 class to racing in Formula E.
At WEC they then concentrated on customers 911 GT-LM. Another reason for the retirement of Porsche 919 and Audi R18 was also financial crisis in VAG (after kat software scandal) which couldn't afford anymore running 2 LMP1 manufacturers.
Pretty sure the 919 end is on dieselgate, VW had to shut off their WRC program that they were dominating as well. So not far fetch that it could be the culprit when they decided to end Audi and Porsche LMP1 program
Re-Endurance. The only limitation is the tyres as far as I can see. You could still drive the car as an endurance car, just without pushing it to it's limits. It should still perform well at similar power output levels to the race setup surely? Just get the pit team to say "Don't give it the beans Derek" and off you go!
The V4 engine was developed by Ford of England to use in the Ford Transit
Adrian Newey, who is Red Bull Racing's head of aerodynamics actually made an unrestricted car in cooperation with Gran Turismo 5.
It's called the Red Bull X2010 and so quick that humans would pass out due to all the G-forces during cornering.
It's supposed to have a 1600HP V6 engine which gives it a 300mph+ top speed.
We're talking sub 3:30 laps on the Nordschleife in a simulator. that's *two minutes* quicker than the 919 EVO.
The car is absolute insanity. Unfortunately no running prototype has been built, but one body of it exists.
to put it bluntly: the X2010 is every aerodynamicists wet dream
By the way F1 took the WR in Spa back 1 Year later in the Qualifying
They quitt because of 4 reasons: 1. No competition in LMP1 anymore - because of a super super (!) expensive and yearly changing ruleset, what reduced the count of LMP1 Teams to 2. 2. Massive problems inside the Volkswagen Family (The Diesel Affaire). 3. Focus on high performance electric racing and tech dev. They need to replace the 911s iconic boxer engines soon. 4. To free Capacities for Porsche Racing Customer Services.
Probably it's kind of interesting for you: there has been a year, when Group4-Sportscars were actually faster than F1-Cars under Race-Conditions. The year was 1970, and the Porsche 917s and Ferrari 512s crushed the F1-Laptimes at Spa-Francorchamps, despite the fact that they're race-duration/-distance was TRIPPLE!
If Porsche gets into f1 they would definitely do it at some point but the issue is that it’s not the car it’s the driver. These cars are so fast that now the driver is slowing them down. 919 evo could have been much faster but the driver could not handle the gs forced by the car. The 919 was pulling 5 gs which is on par with f1, throw a f1 driver who can handle 3-6 gs it could go much faster. Tires are an issue as well. Make the car autonomous, you can make the car as fast as you want.
15:58 it’s very similar to F1 drivers getting 4-5G while cornering and 6G while braking
The Lotus had skirts to suck it onto the track and if correct even a suction fan.
volkswagen IDR is crazy fast, also take a look at the AM Valkyrie wich is a combined project of Aston Martin and Redbull racing, Adrian Newey is the lead designer of the car
Stefan Bellof was the old recordholder in the Nürburgring..Long Time unbeaten..!!!
At Holloman AFB, John Paul Stapp made history aboard the Sonic Wind I rocket sled on December 10, 1954, when he set a land speed record of 632 mph in five seconds, subjecting him to 20 Gs of force during acceleration. Although he had a surplus of volunteers for the dangerous ride, he chose himself for the mission, not wanting to place another in such a potentially hazardous position. When the sled stopped in just 1.4 seconds, Stapp was hit with a force equivalent to 46.2 Gs, more than anyone had yet endured voluntarily. Though he managed half a smile as he was pulled from the sled he was in great pain, and his eyes flooded with blood from the bursting of almost all their capillaries. As Stapp was rushed to the hospital, he worried that one or both of his retinas had detached, leaving him blind. Fortunately, by the next day, he had regained enough of his normal vision to be released by his doctors, though his eyesight would never fully recover.
You should watch Goodwood Festival of Speed. All kinds of sportscars and supercars drive a hillclimb. Rally, F1, drift.
On the fact that F1 without regulations would be faster you're right. The F1 without regulations would have wheel covers and active aero. Also they have to make the engine last for as many races as they can so they could go higher in terms of power, for example the maximum speed of the turbine is limited, the maximum fuel flow rate is set and also the amount of energy they can recover from the mgu-k during a lap is limited at 2MJ if i remember well. So probably the'll be faster.
Going fast with lots of grip and having to do tight turns zig-zagging,yeah its a neck breacker!!!!A Carbon Fiber helmet and a Neck Guard with your right size,can be your best friends!
I'm old enough to be when 100hp out of a 1,000cc motor was thought of as high performance.
720hp from a 2,000cc V4 isn't something that was even considered possible. 360hp/1,000cc? Over 3 times better. A 360% percent increase. Holy crap.
I think they retired the car because there just was not enough competition in LMP1 after 2017. Audi and Rebellion left LMP1 in 2016 so in 2017 there were only Toyota and Porsche left. I think they wanted to complete the hattrick of winning 3 24 Le Mans races in a row and then left. They also focused more on Formula E.
I read somewhere that it's the most complex sports car ever made. And in defense of LMP1, F1 is really faster but it not endure 24 hours in a row. And Congrats ! Very nice video ! :)
F1 is heavily restricted. An engine for example should last many races and must be economic and rev is restricted too. The size of wings, wheels, everything is regulated. With this restricted car at Spa Ham and Bottas were slightly faster than this unrestricted 919 Evo.
This is not LMP1 version but unrestricted Evo version. It is an one lap car.
That is one quick Portchy. I love your vids! Keep it up!
If you get to the nurburgring, you can take a ring taxi which comes equipped with a certified race driver to take you around at speed!!
It's a racecar... Basically only computers become obsolete faster. And in case they don't, the ACO (LeMans board) change the rulebook. They do this for several reasons like safety, levelling the playing field for lower budget teams, advancing new tech etc. - if you're not already working on next years race car, you're already behind.
As mentioned in this video, it's _relatively_ easy to build a car faster than an F1 car, because F1 cars are limited by many rules that actually hamper performance.
F1 cars have insane budgets.
True I would love to see an unrestricted f1 car but it would be so fast the drivers necks would struggle
NASCAR cars are set up to turn one direction only due to Oval racing circuit, LMP and F1 have to be able to turn well in all directions.
I think because of dieselgate with the vws and audis, vw said they were distancing them selfs from motorsport as porsche and audi were racing each other and vw owned both of them, one had to go. I could be wrong on this so
We get electric grand prix open wheel here on TV from time to time
They swap car half way through race as battery don't last whole race
They sound just like scale electric cars we played with as kids
Only reason we get to see it sometimes is some Aussie race them and won 🏆
Are you talking about Formula E? They no longer have to change cars halfway through races, I believe they only did that for the first couple of seasons(they must be on their 6 or 7th season by now) before the battery tech improved enough for them to manage to complete a full race distance.
These cars had 8MJ of battery vs 4MJ for an F1 car as well. The turbo V4 was amazing but not as amazing as the units in current F1 cars. Also take in to account that this car has much better Michelin tyres vs F1's pirelli's.
The most funny thing is when the engineer goes over the car and what they changed and at the end is like "ohyeah, and we gave it skirts" 😂 which is like the most impactful thing
Hi greets from germany, like your channel. You have a good understanding about motorsport!
It was retired because the program and funding period from Porsche was coming to an end and The Le Mans 24hr rules were a little up in the air. For any of these sportscar teams Le mans is the only thing that really matters the World Endurance Championship is basically secondary to winning Le Mans. Porsche are working with Penske to make a car for the new rules and will run next year the car made its official debut at the Goodwood festival of speed this week. Also there will be an Aussie driving it.
Sportcar racing/Endurance racing was becoming more popular than F1 in the early 90s. This was Group C racing and the FIA almost deliberately broke it by forcing every team to use the 3.5 litre engine rules of F1 which sent the cost even further skyward than they already were driving manufacturers back towards F1 and Le Mans and the WEC only really 80% recovered in the early 2000s and the top level of Sportscar Prototype racing has only had a few years where more than maybe 2 manufacturers have been able to win the 24hr and some years with Toyota lately where they had to finish and they were basically guaranteed to win. This is all changing basically from now the new rules have brought manufacturers back to the top level of Sportscars. Toyota are still there with a small company called Glickenhaus which are actually American, Cadillac, Porsche/penske, Ferrari, Peugeot are all basically confirmed to be entering next year or the year after and rumours are for a few other manufacturers to join as well such as Renault/Alpine who have had a half arsed entry the last 2 years
When you bounce back between saying "Porsch" and "Porscha", the second one is a lot closer to what it is actually pronounced in Germany.. To pronounce the letter "E" in Porsche like Germans do is probably tough for an American: It's kinda like the E in Hell or Heli more than the E in Help ("HAAALP!") for example, but still slightly different.. Anyways, when you say it like "Porscha" i guarantee every German will understand what you mean - i heard way worse pronunciations either way.
Keep up the great work - i'm not even big on motorsports but i thoroughly enjoy your videos.
What I don't get is why Porsche not simply put up a tent 1 km before the start/finish line and there change the tires, make a final check up and go, this would guarantee you have fresh tires for the lap, remeber a single lap on the nurburgring are 26 km so this must have caused some tirewear even by rolling around. And if these thing are 'so' soft then you wouldn't need a whole lap of the Nürburgring to heat them up.
Engine power isn't that impressive when you consider f1 with 1.5 turbocharged engines ended up well over 1000hp back in the 90s
BMW M12 with 5.6 bar of boost pushing 1450 hp back in 86
Porsche jus threw all the rules and threw them in the bin. 919
first thing the fórmula 1 today has 2 cilinder 1.8 and produt 1000 or more horspawore and has 800 kg
16:25 well, yeah, f1 cars get even more G forces in corners
If you want to watch a great video on the Porsche 956 you should check out Chris Harris video on it where he also interviews one of the engineers who build that thing.
You should definitely look at ground effect and some of the other crazy ideas from F1 history
A side note is that the open wheel design of F1 cars actually make them slower, it just goes back to the first forms of Motorsport. If F1 cars covered the wheels and cockpit they would be much faster
My comment is beyond late lol, but F1 turns can go from 3 gs up to 6 gs so what he was experiencing was nothing compared f1 drivers...Kevin Mag went from f1 to endurance back to f1 so i believe he can push that porsche to its full potential!
Have you looked at Jim Hall's fan cars, or any of the Chaparal's? He probably accounted for more rule changes than anyone.