I had no idea why he was talking about her that time but I knew achilles was fishy when he asked Chiron if he's gonna sleep 😂 and then it hit me and I was screaming "SMOOTH BRO SMOOTTTTHHHHHH"
do you know what edition this reference of the book was from? i read song of achilles on ibooks and only the second half of the quotation (“he is … say”) is appearing in the text search, maybe it was omitted?
Im reading it again, gonna stop at the part where they are with chiron tho. Those were their happiest times. They eat figs, swim in the river, watch stars and live happily ever after. Thats it, period.
the second time i read it i tried to stop there! this video tho pulled me back in and i went and read through to the end. shed a lil nostalgic tear and remembered all the happiness from the beginning
I knew that the book was gonna end in a tragedy so the first time I read the book, I paused when they were with Chiron because I just had a feeling it's gonna go downhill afterwards and yep 😭
The fact that in the beginning Achilles was like why would I kill Hector, he has done nothing to me. And by the end he's at the point where killing him was not enough.
spoiler: nobody ever talks about how thetis said "the best of the myrmidons will die" and the whole time they meant Patroclus :( he really was the glue. For Achilles, Breises, the soldiers when he was performing medicine. Throughout the whole book, he was stated to be the one that was never good at anything, always in the shadow of someone else. His own father treated him as such, but he really was so much more. Maybe he wasn't born to be the best fighter but he was the best at everything else:(
I believe the "best of the myrmidons" was a trick actually, just as Thetis suspected. Patroclus was wearing Achilles armor and so at that moment he was the best of the myrmidons
SPOILERRR..... . At the beginning I never expected Patroclus to be such a central figure in the story, I thought Achilles was the "hero". The way the story progressed and how Patroclus was the best among the meridians in the prophecy is so poetic because he didn't have any great strengths other than being a good person and not wanting to inflict pain on others. And the most heart breaking part was how his spirit was left wandering for so long because he deserved so much better.
*kinda spoiler* also I just realized that Madeline Miller connects this so beautifully because in the beginning of the book we get "Achilles smiled as his feet struck the earth" and then when he dies we get "Achilles smiled as his face struck the earth" WHAT RKCHSFIVV
@@kynb5136dude the thing is I was crying soo hard bc of pat died n was soo fing mad at achillies and then when bresis said that i was soo mad hot tears from anger and all that stuff but when achilles said that omg my already broken heart broke
Spoiler: when Achilles went to kill Hector, Hector was in Achilles armor. And so it was Achilles against the war, prideful version of himself that actually killed Patroclus. That detail HURTS!!!!!
something i noticed is that when they first became friends they were talking and patroclus said him and achilles talked about "this and this and this!" and then said "this and this and this" when recalling their memories to thetis- crying
SPOILERRR But the way Patroclus says “The never-ending ache of love and sorrow. Perhaps in some other life I could have refused, could have torn my hair and screamed, and made him face his choice alone. But not in this one. He would sail to Troy and I would follow, even into death.” Then that’s exactly what happens….
I am gonna say only this ”Name one hero who was happy! I am gonna be the first!” ”But , why me ?” ”Because you are the reason! Swear it!” ”I swear it!”😢😢😢😢
(Spoiler) Prophecy: “The best of the Myrmidons will die before two more years have passed.” (Chapter 24) Briseis to Patroclus: “Be careful tomorrow,” she says. “Best of men. Best of the Myrmidons.” (Chapter 28) let that sink in
I could never in my life hate Achilles and he definitely has become one of my comfort characters - even with the flaws of his character development and the mistakes he made it was always rooted from what the prophecy told him. I just love that couple so much that my standards in love has just risen even more.
I don't know about the others but the real part broke me in that book was in the very last parts, just before the ending, when I thought they will never end up together. It still hurts.
Spoiler : I think when Chiron is talking to Achilles and Patroclus about how Heracles went mad and Patroclus thinks to himself "i would know it in the dark, or disguise, i told myself. i would know it even in madness" ~ referring to Achilles' face, it probably could be a foreshadowing of the future, in the afterlife. Achilles' soul had reached the underworld first and Patroclus hadn't found his peace until his name was carved next to Achilles' and then he found him in the darkness and reached out for him.
Knowing the myth before I read this book made me feel like a oracle because I knew how it was going to end. So reading the book I had this feeling of dreaded expectation as the moment came. No one can cheat fate. Mythology is full of many who tried.
@@aryannemendes9143 it definitely adds another twist to the book seeing them try and escape fate only to see them fall into it. But for me it was definitely about the journey not the destination. Also one thing about this book I appreciate is eventually achilles and patrocles win. After all the shit they put up with in life and even death they eventually have each other. They won. And knowing how neoptolemus and agamemnon turn out they also get their justice. Kinda makes the story less sad for me. Really bitter sweet.
*spoilers* At first I thought that whole mess at the end could've been avoided too, but the line "The words shocked us both. They seemed to come through me, not from me, as though spoken straight from a god's mouth." - changed my mind. Because of Achilles and Patroclus' love they kept avoiding the prophecy to have more time together on Earth. So eventually the god's just made Achilles kill Hector the only way they knew how- by killing Patroclus first. It's like the god's put those words in their mouths and thoughts in their minds.
i did the same exact thing.. i checked my phone when i finished the book and it was 1 am and i was just sobbing and couldn’t stop thinking abt the ending
Spoiler(?): i think it’s amazing how much patrocle grows in this book bc in the beginning we have this insecure boy who’s not very talented and at the end patrocle is way more confident he found his reason to fought and his so sweet and mature. I just love him
Hey guys! This is my first time posting a comment. *SPOILERS* Achilles's son(23:14) is exactly who Achilles was when Achilles was his age (around 10/12 ig). He was so cold and didn't allow anyone in his life. But when Patroclus came, he became a totally new person with warmth and love. I guess Achilles's son was just Achilles but without Partroclus. So, maybe if Patroclus wasn't there with Achilles he would have faced the same ending as his son. In the book it was always like Partroclus was nothing without Achilles, but actually it was the same way around. Without Patroclus Achilles was not the person he was. I sobbed when I got this pov😭. They are end game😢😭. We just need to find our Achilles or Patroclus within this lifetime which is very difficult 🥲 I just finished this book yesterday and now I feel like a totally different person. Now I've found Achilles come down song and its on loop. *I'm not sobbing* *I am not the person who I was before reading this book*
But then again, Achilles was raised by Peleus with some visits from his mother, but his son is taken from the princess and was raised by Thetis. I figured that was one of the reason why his son was like that.
I played this song on repeat the entire time I was reading this book, I would say I easily listened to it 300 times, solely because the song was so beautiful and I wanted to associate it with the emotions the book made me feel
spoiler: It kills me because he really died for him. He knew how much that honor meant to him. Part of me also thinks he didn't want to just sit in the chariot because he felt useful after being told he was nothing in the past. brb crying again
He didn't die for achilles, he died because of him. He was trying to save his people, his friends. He pleaded Achilles to put aside his pride and his honor.
@@milkshakinho and achilles couldve prevented that? not giving 100% blame to achilles but he couldve stopped his dear one from going into a war. but again, patroclus knelt and begged and by then achilles had uttered 'anything but this' and he couldn't really refuse. its how circumstances turn and come up but achilles is at fault too
SPOILER WARNING--- bro. “how is there more?” when patroclus died I said the exact same thing. and then proceeded to have my heart slowly ripped from my body with every word. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to re-read the whole book lmao
SPOILER: i literally read a thousand boy kisses right before i read song of achilles. they are so similar!! but i liked how they both ended up together after death, it doesn’t make it as sad.
Same!! Everyone cried at the end, but the end was where I could finally be happy! They could be together forever, which made me feel at peace about it all
@@lilymarie7112 i’m sorry! she mentioned it in the video. if you want to read a thousand boy kisses though it’s not really a spoiler because it’s mentioned early in the book:)
tell me why i cried with you when you were reading all the happy moments between patroclus and achillies even though i’ve already read it. this book man i can’t
SPOILERS: (mini rant) honestly I’m just so disappointed in Achilles’s character development. He really became an ingrate asshole who became self obsessed and didn’t see the amazing person who loved him to the moon and back. Patroclus loved him much so that he fucking fought and DIED for his honor and his people (despite literally not knowing how to fight) after he begged on his fucking knees for Achille’s help (who was cruel enough to put pride before his own lover’s begging). Even in his last moments Patroclus didn’t want to be killed for ACHILLE’S FUCKING SAKE, not his, bc he’s know the prophecy would become true! And in the afterlife, Achille is still all he cares about, despite the last 10 years being Achille putting himself first and Patroclus always and forever loving him like he had since they were 10 years old and cherishing who he once was.
Aw but this is the fate of the Greek heroes. Achilles was destined to his doom even when his original intention was to become the first hero who was happy. But, I do see why you said this because man, I also wanted to slap Achilles.
Ok I agree I was a little disappointed in him at the end but just imagine being destined for death…. He knew he wouldn’t have a happily ever after… all he could do is make sure he was remembered in death… he was so worried about dying a rememberable and honorable death that he wasn’t himself anymore… finding out at a young age that your destined for death can do that to you…. But he held off his fate for a decade… that’s why he didn’t go near hector… he probably wanted as much time with Patroclus as possible…
@@aslamiyamohamed2526 the iliad is written by an ancient greek poet, homer about the battle of troy. this book is a retelling of the iliad through patroclus' pov.
After ending the book, I was SO mad and SO heartbroken. Ah! The pain! I was mad at everyone but mostly at Achilles! All I could think is that this could all be avoided, this could all be avoided. In the end, what killed them all and caused their empire to fall is arrogance and greed!
Just finished the book and *holy f**ck* Spoiler: Drowning in my tears over here but when Achilles wakes by Patroclus calling for him and briefly thinks his death was a dream? Hurts
I read this already knowing the story due to my love of Greek mythology, and I have to tell you- rereading it is a whole other experience. The foreshadowing is fantastic, and you will cry even more.
**spoilers** one of the things that threw me most off guard about the book is that achilles and patroclus are like 12/13 when they go to live with chiron and 16 when they start to fight for helen- like the book also says that by 13 most of the boys around had lost their virginities etc. so weird to see this from a modern perspective lmao
Same! I didn’t picture them so young when they were in the mountains with Chiron, so I was like “wait, what now?” every time their age was mentioned after.
You handled the book better than me, I ended the book around 6pm and was crying really ugly my nose was running and didn't eat dinner and woke up next day and read the last 2 chapters and started crying again 🥺 I was depressed and crying for like a week the funniest thing is ik the whole story cuz I'm obsessed with Greek myths yet it broke me. And we can't blame achilles for wanting pride bcuz everything heros did was to be remembered it was their purpose "to be remembered" and we are doing a favour to them by remembering them even now.
I looved this book so much. I know that at the end Achilles didn’t act like himself but I guess this is what happens with you at war, where you kill people all the time 🙁 I actually knew what was gonna happen because we did „Iliad” by Homer in high school and when I tell you I was sobbing already at the beginning of the book 😭
Yea I was angry at Achilles but I mostly felt sorry for him. In his mind, Patroclus' death mustn't have even been a variable. You can sort of sympathize with him as all he had ever known was being Aristos Achaion and the honour and reputation he had to build before his death, or he'd be nothing, which is the worst thing to be.
TSOA left me feeling a certain way for HOURS after I finished reading it. It hurt me in the best way possible. Achilles' character development was definitely questionable, but what they had was true love. The kind of love most writers struggle to portray. Madeline Miller did a great job with this book and I wish I could read it again for the first time. I read it at school and recited dialogue to my best friend all day long. We would laugh at the funny parts, cry during the sad parts and get excited at the parts in which Achilles and Patroclus got intimate. The whole experience of reading this book and all the emotions that came with it will ALWAYS be a fond memory.
The only reason I watched this video is to see how she would react because I just finished that book a couple weeks ago and it is literally the saddest thing I have ever read I am still emotionally scarred from it I highly recommend it
SPOILER They also said the best of their people will die in two years. And it wasn’t Achilles. I’m guessing it was Patroclus because he fought till the end and was so skillful on the field and helped fight for his people. I hope more people talk about this because it did not seem to be resolved or answered.
I loved this!! I study classics, so the Iliad is an epic I have to study, which is what this is based on. The Trojan war was 10 years long! AND it took Odysseus 10 years to get home (in the odyssey), but his wife waited for him! I definitely have to read this soon.
I will say... I am shocked I didn’t cry. But I do feel their pain and the ending totally put me in a shock state for a while. I would kill to reread this for the first time again. It broke me but also was a beautiful story
I just finished the book and now I’m grieving. It’s so sad to think that they may not have made it to the underworld together because of Achilles’ stupid son. The thought of petroculus being left on earth as a spirit alone and Achilles in the underworld waiting breaks my heart. I love this book
As a person who has read quite some greek mythology, I thought that patroclus' death wouldn't hurt me that much, but Achilles and Briseis' reactions just 😭😭 And the way I was cursing Achilles' son. LMAO I was also very mad at Achilles in the last few chapters before Patroclus' death cuz Ik that his stupid pride would somehow get him killed.
I'm a big greek mythology nerd so I knew the story before I read the book, but that didn't stop me from sobbing my heart out in the middle of the hallway when I finished.
I read it yesterday and after the first cave scene I put the book down and just said out loud “you haven’t kissed in three years, maybe...just try to take it slowly?”
"IN THE DARKNESS, two shadows, reaching through the hopeless, heavy dusk. Their hands meet, and light spills in a flood like a hundred golden urns pouring out of the sun."
i don't know what's worse: reading this book without knowing the tale of Achilles, or reading this book and knowing what's going down (me). WhAt HaS hEcToR eVeR dOnE tO mE
"What has Hector ever done to me?"...
Stop rn😭😭
They foreshadowed it throughout the WHOLLEEE book ugh I can’t
oh achilles had no idea
OMG WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?????
The way this line HITS 😭😭😭😭
“Go,” she says. “He waits for you.” me: drowning in my own tears
Literally I was crying for the last like 50 pages, I’ve never cried that hard in my life
@@laneysamo6448 RIGHT- at one point i couldn’t breathe
This line sent me over the EDGE
Omg my favourite part!!!!!! I teared up soo bad!!!!
DONT REMIND ME NOO
I remember the exact moment I read "she can't see us here" AND SCREAMED
OMG SAME BRUH I WAS LIKE “HUH? BITCH WHAT” plsssssssd
SAME ITS MY FAVORITE PART I HAD TO STOP READING FOR A SEC
That was the moment I knew: IT'S ABOUT TO GO DOWN
I had no idea why he was talking about her that time but I knew achilles was fishy when he asked Chiron if he's gonna sleep 😂 and then it hit me and I was screaming "SMOOTH BRO SMOOTTTTHHHHHH"
I screeched an U N H O L Y screech
I need an entire book on their lives with Chiron
yesss it was the best times they had together and i never wanted it to end
PLEASE god I kept rereading that set of pages over and over and over.
Yess pleaasee 🙏🏻😭
😂
“i would know him blind...i would know him in death, at the end of the world. he is half of my soul, as the poets say.”
what chapter is that phrase on?? i’ve been trying to find it for the past 10min :/
@@astroANN 284 I think
@@sumaiyahsheraz4177 I don’t have the english version so the pages are a bit off, so could u tell me the chapter pls?🥺
@@astroANN chapter 12 !!
do you know what edition this reference of the book was from? i read song of achilles on ibooks and only the second half of the quotation (“he is … say”) is appearing in the text search, maybe it was omitted?
Im reading it again, gonna stop at the part where they are with chiron tho. Those were their happiest times. They eat figs, swim in the river, watch stars and live happily ever after. Thats it, period.
the second time i read it i tried to stop there! this video tho pulled me back in and i went and read through to the end. shed a lil nostalgic tear and remembered all the happiness from the beginning
Girl..... same. I've reread this so many times and stopped there every fucking time
I don't think I can even read ahead of that even if I wanted to...I don't want to be destroyed all over again 😭😭😭 assuming I'm not already
I knew that the book was gonna end in a tragedy so the first time I read the book, I paused when they were with Chiron because I just had a feeling it's gonna go downhill afterwards and yep 😭
I stopped liking it after that should I dnf? I need some advice 😭
the book: “we are all there, goddess and mortal and the boy who was both”
me: drowning in my tears
the writing is so painfully beautiful that this line literally makes me want to die and it's nOT THAT SAD
one of the best lines istg
I love this quote sm. The writing is superb
my favourite line in this book tbh
You killed me 😭 I was already dying after finishing it a while ago but reading this line again has done it. Dead.
reading the last scene with thetis and patroclus was so hard because my vision was completely blurred from sobbing
*spoiler** IKR I SOBBED SO HARD PATROCLUS' DEATH WAS SO UNJUST 😭
SAME omg it was so painful
That scene killed meeeee
YES SAME
Exactly reading after pat's death was unbelievably hard
The fact that in the beginning Achilles was like why would I kill Hector, he has done nothing to me. And by the end he's at the point where killing him was not enough.
he dragged his corpse everywhere 😭
I hated Achilles mom threw out the WHOLE book but then at the last page of the book i loved her because of what she did for Patroclus
SAME shes so hot tho
SAAME THAT ENDING SURPRISED ME I DIDNT EXPECT HER TO DO THAT
LITERALLY hated her sm but she PULLED through at the end
Same. I didn't like her at first, but if you think about it, she's a really well-written character
The happiness I felt when she said achilles's son died
spoiler:
nobody ever talks about how thetis said "the best of the myrmidons will die" and the whole time they meant Patroclus :( he really was the glue. For Achilles, Breises, the soldiers when he was performing medicine. Throughout the whole book, he was stated to be the one that was never good at anything, always in the shadow of someone else. His own father treated him as such, but he really was so much more. Maybe he wasn't born to be the best fighter but he was the best at everything else:(
I believe the "best of the myrmidons" was a trick actually, just as Thetis suspected. Patroclus was wearing Achilles armor and so at that moment he was the best of the myrmidons
Pratoclus was so much more than just an exiled man
Omfg you're right and now I'm crying again 😭
When I read that part I knew it was Patroclus also in a certain part briseis calls him “the best of myrmidons” which confirmed my suspicion.
America Castillo THIS! 😭
SPOILERRR.....
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At the beginning I never expected Patroclus to be such a central figure in the story, I thought Achilles was the "hero". The way the story progressed and how Patroclus was the best among the meridians in the prophecy is so poetic because he didn't have any great strengths other than being a good person and not wanting to inflict pain on others. And the most heart breaking part was how his spirit was left wandering for so long because he deserved so much better.
IT HURTS how he screams and tries to talk to Achilles but he can't hear him because he's dead
Not me crying while reading your comment ... Jeez.
I swear 5 stars isn't enough for this book.
47/5 stars
I gave it 4 stars :/
I gave it 2
@@koiaey L
“Do not let it be so. Do not leave me here without him.”
I’m sobbing.
*kinda spoiler* also I just realized that Madeline Miller connects this so beautifully because in the beginning of the book we get "Achilles smiled as his feet struck the earth" and then when he dies we get "Achilles smiled as his face struck the earth" WHAT RKCHSFIVV
i thought you mean the video is kinda spoiler but as the idiot i am i kept reading and spoilered myself ..... not your fault, just my dumb being
Omg I’m crying again wow
I'm crying again 😭😭
That’s not a quote from the book tho…
I KNOW U DID NOT JUST SPOIL THIS FOR ME
THE PART WHERE BRESIS SAYS SMTHG IN THE LINES OF I WISH IT WAS U AND ACHILLES SAYS DONT U THINK I WISH THAT MYSELF ??? MY GOD TAKE MY SHATTERED SOUL
DUDE YES, I CRIED SO HARD
@@kynb5136dude the thing is I was crying soo hard bc of pat died n was soo fing mad at achillies and then when bresis said that i was soo mad hot tears from anger and all that stuff but when achilles said that omg my already broken heart broke
I just finished the book like 20 minutes ago but oh my gosh when Achilles screams and holds Patroclus at the end I literally wanted to bawl.
Exactly me bestie😭😭
just finished the book too :') 👍
Same and now I am depressed
Spoiler: when Achilles went to kill Hector, Hector was in Achilles armor. And so it was Achilles against the war, prideful version of himself that actually killed Patroclus. That detail HURTS!!!!!
Wait I never thought of it like that girl you broke my heart even more
ALSOO, wouldn’t it also be how by killing Hector, he’s eventually going to kill himself
dont mind me just crying in the club
Wow
omg. I never realized!
Gonna cry nowww
something i noticed is that when they first became friends they were talking and patroclus said him and achilles talked about "this and this and this!" and then said "this and this and this" when recalling their memories to thetis- crying
OMG THIS MADE ME CRY MORE I HADNT NOTICED THAT
I NOTICED IT IMMEDIATELY AND SOBBED
i cant find that part :/
@@sayuri1861 it’s in the last paragraph or so of the book when theits asks him to tell her more memories of Achellis.
I love how she sits there crying and highlighting at the same time 💀🤣
Patroclus deserves all the love in the world, he grew up in such a shitty hostile home and still became the sweetest person.. I love him 🥺😭
SPOILERRR
But the way Patroclus says
“The never-ending ache of love and sorrow. Perhaps in some other life I could have refused, could have torn my hair and screamed, and made him face his choice alone. But not in this one. He would sail to Troy and I would follow, even into death.”
Then that’s exactly what happens….
Omg....this. yes
AND I DIE
THIS is my fav quote
Imagine Patroclus actually being a deity, he's gonna be the sweetest god that will be loved by all mortal and gods alike
But what would he be the god of? Cinnamon rolls?
@@KeepCalmContemplateYourChoices figs
@@adeleaslan8182 god of figs sounds pretty good
i’m so jealous i wish i could experience this book for the first time again
This
^^^^^ THIS
I am gonna say only this
”Name one hero who was happy! I am gonna be the first!”
”But , why me ?”
”Because you are the reason! Swear it!”
”I swear it!”😢😢😢😢
😭😭😭😭🤧 pls this book has ruined me in every way possible
THIS MADE ME SO HAPPY
😭😭😭😭Omg
"I feel like I can eat the world raw"
Me : *putting on clown make up cuz Ik it's gonna go down*
GOD NO THIS HURTS ME EVERYDAY 😭😭
You cry so gracefully, I’m going to need you to drop the secrets because I turn into the tomato from veggie tales after a single tear drop
😭✋🏾
Not the tomato from veggie tales😂😂😂😂
pls 😭 same
best comment! Oh my gosh so true!!!
What’s the age rating for this book? I wanna know if I’m old enough to read it...
(Spoiler)
Prophecy: “The best of the Myrmidons will die before two
more years have passed.” (Chapter 24)
Briseis to Patroclus: “Be careful tomorrow,” she says. “Best of men. Best of the
Myrmidons.” (Chapter 28)
let that sink in
for anyone wondering first quote is page 254, and second quote is 314
Oh my days i never realised that 😭😭😭
YES I LITERALLY DIED WHEN I READ WHAT BRISEIS SAID I THOUGHT PATROCLUS WOULD REMEMBER BUT HE DIDN'T AND I DIED
@@queenievaldez2836 omg i also read it on a plane (i didn't finish it tho, i finished it like 20 minutes ago at my grandma's house)
True very true. I literally knew it was Patroclaus.
I could never in my life hate Achilles and he definitely has become one of my comfort characters - even with the flaws of his character development and the mistakes he made it was always rooted from what the prophecy told him. I just love that couple so much that my standards in love has just risen even more.
Finally someone said it. I don't hate him either. I love him and patroclus. Obviously. I just wanted them happy 😭
I don't know about the others but the real part broke me in that book was in the very last parts, just before the ending, when I thought they will never end up together. It still hurts.
Yes!!! It broke my heart, but when their souls found each other in the underworld, it was so bittersweet 🥺
Yes! I was so scared that they would never find each other. I was STRESSED and with every turning page I was getting more and more scared
It was heart breaking that Patroclus was left lingering on earth he deserved so much better
for real!!
Yeah! I tried not to cry until that part when thetis told patroclus to go, achilles is waiting for him...Then I was a crying mess.
Spoiler :
I think when Chiron is talking to Achilles and Patroclus about how Heracles went mad and Patroclus thinks to himself "i would know it in the dark, or disguise, i told myself. i would know it even in madness" ~ referring to Achilles' face, it probably could be a foreshadowing of the future, in the afterlife. Achilles' soul had reached the underworld first and Patroclus hadn't found his peace until his name was carved next to Achilles' and then he found him in the darkness and reached out for him.
cool, so here i am, crying again
STOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPP
Knowing the myth before I read this book made me feel like a oracle because I knew how it was going to end. So reading the book I had this feeling of dreaded expectation as the moment came. No one can cheat fate. Mythology is full of many who tried.
Exactly,its interest see this book from the point of view of someone who didn't know the mythology
@@aryannemendes9143 it definitely adds another twist to the book seeing them try and escape fate only to see them fall into it. But for me it was definitely about the journey not the destination. Also one thing about this book I appreciate is eventually achilles and patrocles win. After all the shit they put up with in life and even death they eventually have each other. They won. And knowing how neoptolemus and agamemnon turn out they also get their justice. Kinda makes the story less sad for me. Really bitter sweet.
Same, i knew what was gonna but couldn't stop the tragedy from happening
“I’m not even done, how is there more?” Girl i said the same thing. That book made me sob
"who's that?" "My most beloved"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
i died at that.
Omggggg😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
page?
@@abcdefghshs oh god towards the end second to last chapter I think. Sorry I read it on e-book so it won't match up w/ physical copies
I have to read this book for school and let me tell you, I am prepared to be heartbroken.
Your teacher is so cool! Mine would only make me read classics lol
THAT IS SO COOL THAT YOU HAVE TO READ IT FOR SCHOOL GOOD LUCK BAE
Ooooooh that's amazing and horrible bc it's a great book but everyone is going to be sobbing
i WISH we got to read it for school omg lucky
I'm sorry- say that again... for school... you are reading a GOOD book for SCHOOL. I AM STARTING AT YOUR SCHOOL NOW
*spoilers*
At first I thought that whole mess at the end could've been avoided too, but the line "The words shocked us both. They seemed to come through me, not from me, as though spoken straight from a god's mouth." - changed my mind. Because of Achilles and Patroclus' love they kept avoiding the prophecy to have more time together on Earth. So eventually the god's just made Achilles kill Hector the only way they knew how- by killing Patroclus first. It's like the god's put those words in their mouths and thoughts in their minds.
Omg you’re so right 😭❤️! Didn’t think of it like that. I was already dying just finishing the book and now I’m dead for real I will haunt you 😭😭😭
i finished this book at like 1 am and just sat in my bed staring at the wall and crying lol. but it was so so so good i loved every minute of it
Same!!!
i did the same exact thing.. i checked my phone when i finished the book and it was 1 am and i was just sobbing and couldn’t stop thinking abt the ending
If u wanna cry more listen to the song little lion man and think about Patroclus talking to Achilles
Spoiler(?): i think it’s amazing how much patrocle grows in this book bc in the beginning we have this insecure boy who’s not very talented and at the end patrocle is way more confident he found his reason to fought and his so sweet and mature. I just love him
This book shattered me, now I just listen to “Achilles come down” and cry 🥲🤍
stop this is the most accurate thing i've ever read
I listen to Achilles come down WHILE reading cause I like breaking my heart
I listened "achilles come down" before and after i read the Book
AND IT SHATTER ME IN VERY SMALL PIECES 😭
Try listing to little loin man it made me cry so much thinking about Patroclus taking to Achilles
Same. Same. Same. 😭🤌
Hey guys! This is my first time posting a comment.
*SPOILERS*
Achilles's son(23:14) is exactly who Achilles was when Achilles was his age (around 10/12 ig). He was so cold and didn't allow anyone in his life. But when Patroclus came, he became a totally new person with warmth and love. I guess Achilles's son was just Achilles but without Partroclus. So, maybe if Patroclus wasn't there with Achilles he would have faced the same ending as his son. In the book it was always like Partroclus was nothing without Achilles, but actually it was the same way around. Without Patroclus Achilles was not the person he was. I sobbed when I got this pov😭. They are end game😢😭.
We just need to find our Achilles or Patroclus within this lifetime which is very difficult 🥲
I just finished this book yesterday and now I feel like a totally different person.
Now I've found Achilles come down song and its on loop.
*I'm not sobbing*
*I am not the person who I was before reading this book*
😭😭😭😭
@@wormbag80 that's so clever omfg, you're right
But then again, Achilles was raised by Peleus with some visits from his mother, but his son is taken from the princess and was raised by Thetis. I figured that was one of the reason why his son was like that.
@@hes8160 yes , Achilles son was raised with the sea nymphs, Thetis didn't want her grandson to be raised like a mortal like Achilles was
yeah i thought about that because he was literally so arrogant when patroclus met him at his palace, patroclus literally chnaged him
Me reading all these comments after finishing this book is a new and exciting form of self harm I didn’t know existed
SAME
OMG I’M FEELING THIS SO HARD. JUST FINISHED THE BOOK AND I’M HEARTBROKEN
yes
I played this song on repeat the entire time I was reading this book, I would say I easily listened to it 300 times, solely because the song was so beautiful and I wanted to associate it with the emotions the book made me feel
OMGG SAMEEEE😭😭
spoiler:
It kills me because he really died for him. He knew how much that honor meant to him. Part of me also thinks he didn't want to just sit in the chariot because he felt useful after being told he was nothing in the past. brb crying again
He didn't die for achilles, he died because of him. He was trying to save his people, his friends. He pleaded Achilles to put aside his pride and his honor.
@@milkshakinho and achilles couldve prevented that? not giving 100% blame to achilles but he couldve stopped his dear one from going into a war. but again, patroclus knelt and begged and by then achilles had uttered 'anything but this' and he couldn't really refuse. its how circumstances turn and come up but achilles is at fault too
“Who is this bitch,” is a mood; felt the same way when I read that part
Odysseus be like, “ya’ll gay or smthn?”
THIS
i miss patroclus and achilles like they've been very close friends of mine for a long time 😭💛
SPOILER WARNING--- bro. “how is there more?” when patroclus died I said the exact same thing. and then proceeded to have my heart slowly ripped from my body with every word. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to re-read the whole book lmao
i kept hoping patroclus is somehow alive lmaoooo
@@seeyafornow2642 same😭
"I am made of memories." i literally sobbed when i read that line.
THIS BOOK BROKE ME I WAS DEAD OMG
OMG SAME SIS
i cried over this book for a week and i still am tbh
i read this book in 2 days but was sad for 2 weeks it had such an impact on me
I feel like a psychopath cause I’m like the only person who didn’t cry 😂
just ordered a copy and i’m so excited for the heartbreak 🤩
update: i literally cant stop crying
SPOILER: i literally read a thousand boy kisses right before i read song of achilles. they are so similar!! but i liked how they both ended up together after death, it doesn’t make it as sad.
Same!! Everyone cried at the end, but the end was where I could finally be happy! They could be together forever, which made me feel at peace about it all
HAVNT read ur comment but thank you for writing spoiler
Damn I read this but I haven’t read a thousand boy kisses😭 I should’ve paid attention to the spoiler lol
@@lilymarie7112 i’m sorry! she mentioned it in the video. if you want to read a thousand boy kisses though it’s not really a spoiler because it’s mentioned early in the book:)
Same! Tbh it’s a bittersweet ending but overall I love the ending
tell me why i cried with you when you were reading all the happy moments between patroclus and achillies even though i’ve already read it. this book man i can’t
SPOILERS: (mini rant) honestly I’m just so disappointed in Achilles’s character development. He really became an ingrate asshole who became self obsessed and didn’t see the amazing person who loved him to the moon and back. Patroclus loved him much so that he fucking fought and DIED for his honor and his people (despite literally not knowing how to fight) after he begged on his fucking knees for Achille’s help (who was cruel enough to put pride before his own lover’s begging). Even in his last moments Patroclus didn’t want to be killed for ACHILLE’S FUCKING SAKE, not his, bc he’s know the prophecy would become true! And in the afterlife, Achille is still all he cares about, despite the last 10 years being Achille putting himself first and Patroclus always and forever loving him like he had since they were 10 years old and cherishing who he once was.
YES YES YES 10000000% YES
Aw but this is the fate of the Greek heroes. Achilles was destined to his doom even when his original intention was to become the first hero who was happy. But, I do see why you said this because man, I also wanted to slap Achilles.
samee
Ok I agree I was a little disappointed in him at the end but just imagine being destined for death…. He knew he wouldn’t have a happily ever after… all he could do is make sure he was remembered in death… he was so worried about dying a rememberable and honorable death that he wasn’t himself anymore… finding out at a young age that your destined for death can do that to you…. But he held off his fate for a decade… that’s why he didn’t go near hector… he probably wanted as much time with Patroclus as possible…
I don't hate Achilles. Kinda want to slap him tho yes. 😭😭I just wanted them happy w Chiron FOREVER
"What has Hector ever done to me?"
you’re channel feels like such a safe space, keep it up! :)
and don’t forget about us when you’re famous, okay?
reading this book when you’ve read the iliad vs when you haven’t are two completely different experiences
Is the Iliad another book as well by the authour or something different?
@@aslamiyamohamed2526 the iliad is written by an ancient greek poet, homer about the battle of troy. this book is a retelling of the iliad through patroclus' pov.
@@aslamiyamohamed2526 ...r u being serious rn ??
@@harryarek4272 yes..? Someone else explained anyways.
@@user02406 appreciate you, thank ya ❤️
And the fact that shes wearing the folklore cardigan and reading , she's just living my dream
stop you cry so gracefully 😭 like can I trade my ugly cry for your cry
You’re not alone girl if!anyone sees me crying they would think I’m the most ugly person in the planet😂🤦🏻♀️
After ending the book, I was SO mad and SO heartbroken. Ah! The pain! I was mad at everyone but mostly at Achilles! All I could think is that this could all be avoided, this could all be avoided. In the end, what killed them all and caused their empire to fall is arrogance and greed!
Patroclus and Achilles deserved more time together on earth 😭😭😭 we should have atleast been given their afterlife
Just finished the book and *holy f**ck*
Spoiler: Drowning in my tears over here but when Achilles wakes by Patroclus calling for him and briefly thinks his death was a dream? Hurts
Yes, that was so painful. My heart…
Omg I love you for asking people to put a little spoiler warning before their comment! The amount of times I've been spoiled is so sad. THANK YOU!🥰💕
I literally knew what the ending was going to be and still BALLED my eyes out . This book broke my heart
i knew the second you started reading the quotes you would be HEARTBROKEN at the end
I love how she says spoiler warning as if this story isn’t a retelling of the Iliad
There are things in this book that are unique to this book :)
I read this already knowing the story due to my love of Greek mythology, and I have to tell you- rereading it is a whole other experience. The foreshadowing is fantastic, and you will cry even more.
I still tier up whenever I read the quote " go now, he's waiting for you"
“This, this and this.” THIS WAS A FUCKING SPEAR IN MY CHEST AT THE END. I felt that.
**spoilers**
one of the things that threw me most off guard about the book is that achilles and patroclus are like 12/13 when they go to live with chiron and 16 when they start to fight for helen- like the book also says that by 13 most of the boys around had lost their virginities etc. so weird to see this from a modern perspective lmao
omg yes
Same! I didn’t picture them so young when they were in the mountains with Chiron, so I was like “wait, what now?” every time their age was mentioned after.
her: about to cry over Achilles and Patroclus having a beautiful moment
me: girl u just wait, those won’t be happy tears for long
OMG! Imagine a book from an Achilles perspective !!! That would be too cool ...
You handled the book better than me, I ended the book around 6pm and was crying really ugly my nose was running and didn't eat dinner and woke up next day and read the last 2 chapters and started crying again 🥺 I was depressed and crying for like a week the funniest thing is ik the whole story cuz I'm obsessed with Greek myths yet it broke me. And we can't blame achilles for wanting pride bcuz everything heros did was to be remembered it was their purpose "to be remembered" and we are doing a favour to them by remembering them even now.
I’m so excited to watch!! I CRIED sm after reading it and then tortured myself by rereading the last few chapters again and again 🥲🥲
OMG I NEED TO READ THIS!!!
Same!!! It’s been on my list FOREVER!!!
You must, it’s one of my all time favorites!
i have like NEVER clicked faster
I still cried by eyes out even though I already knew how it would end cause I knew the mythology 😭
this book i- Its just such a beautiful story and when i tell you i had an emotional breakdown
I looved this book so much. I know that at the end Achilles didn’t act like himself but I guess this is what happens with you at war, where you kill people all the time 🙁 I actually knew what was gonna happen because we did „Iliad” by Homer in high school and when I tell you I was sobbing already at the beginning of the book 😭
Yea I was angry at Achilles but I mostly felt sorry for him. In his mind, Patroclus' death mustn't have even been a variable. You can sort of sympathize with him as all he had ever known was being Aristos Achaion and the honour and reputation he had to build before his death, or he'd be nothing, which is the worst thing to be.
TSOA left me feeling a certain way for HOURS after I finished reading it. It hurt me in the best way possible. Achilles' character development was definitely questionable, but what they had was true love. The kind of love most writers struggle to portray. Madeline Miller did a great job with this book and I wish I could read it again for the first time.
I read it at school and recited dialogue to my best friend all day long. We would laugh at the funny parts, cry during the sad parts and get excited at the parts in which Achilles and Patroclus got intimate. The whole experience of reading this book and all the emotions that came with it will ALWAYS be a fond memory.
Can’t wait for the reading The SELECTION series vlog 🥺🙌🏻
let’s make this the top comment pls
I've read the books is 3 days, they are soo good, I love them 🥰
SPOILER: When Thetis told Achilles the best of Myrmidons was going to die when he would be still alive she was talking about Patroclus
The only reason I watched this video is to see how she would react because I just finished that book a couple weeks ago and it is literally the saddest thing I have ever read I am still emotionally scarred from it I highly recommend it
The foreshadowing in this book is insane and beautiful. Ugh I love this book.
“He is half my soul, as the poets say.”
This book shattered my heart and had my sobbing and crying for days.
“I haré Achilles mom, She can choke. Idc” I CANT 😭😭
SPOILER
They also said the best of their people will die in two years. And it wasn’t Achilles. I’m guessing it was Patroclus because he fought till the end and was so skillful on the field and helped fight for his people. I hope more people talk about this because it did not seem to be resolved or answered.
I loved this!! I study classics, so the Iliad is an epic I have to study, which is what this is based on. The Trojan war was 10 years long! AND it took Odysseus 10 years to get home (in the odyssey), but his wife waited for him! I definitely have to read this soon.
I will say...
I am shocked I didn’t cry. But I do feel their pain and the ending totally put me in a shock state for a while. I would kill to reread this for the first time again. It broke me but also was a beautiful story
I didn’t cry when I read this, but this book broke me. Patroclus has my entire heart
I just finished the book and now I’m grieving. It’s so sad to think that they may not have made it to the underworld together because of Achilles’ stupid son. The thought of petroculus being left on earth as a spirit alone and Achilles in the underworld waiting breaks my heart. I love this book
this has to be my favorite book ever! you were so right when you said its written SO BEAUTIFULLY like i could cry
‘I am made of memories’
I love Achilles and Patroclus, this is so beautiful :))
As a person who has read quite some greek mythology, I thought that patroclus' death wouldn't hurt me that much, but Achilles and Briseis' reactions just 😭😭
And the way I was cursing Achilles' son. LMAO
I was also very mad at Achilles in the last few chapters before Patroclus' death cuz Ik that his stupid pride would somehow get him killed.
I'm a big greek mythology nerd so I knew the story before I read the book, but that didn't stop me from sobbing my heart out in the middle of the hallway when I finished.
i just finished this 10 minutes ago. omg so beautifully written and the characters are AMAZING.
I read it yesterday and after the first cave scene I put the book down and just said out loud “you haven’t kissed in three years, maybe...just try to take it slowly?”
"IN THE DARKNESS, two shadows, reaching through the hopeless, heavy dusk. Their hands meet, and light spills in a flood like a hundred golden urns pouring out of the sun."
i don't know what's worse: reading this book without knowing the tale of Achilles, or reading this book and knowing what's going down (me).
WhAt HaS hEcToR eVeR dOnE tO mE
i read this not having any idea what anything was and it b r o k e me sm
@@sofylinca6134 oh all the foreshadowing makes it 10x worse.
me, reading this knowing full well what goes down because I’m a fan of Greek mythology: tHiS wiLl nOt bReAk mY hEaRt
You know it's a good book when ppl who are fans of Greek myths cried ugly over this, the easiest 5 star ever
a thousand boy kisses just arrived in the mail- and now i have to read this... im so scared
A thousand boy kisses destroyed me
that book killed me inside😭😭
you won’t recover😭
You’re gonna need a box of tissues
@@michellealexandra1480 is it worst than this?
@@forksssss8483 I haven’t read this yet but I’m picking it up rn! But pls read a thousand boy kisses!!
every time i see a book video from Steph my wallet literally cries, but the books she talks about are just sooo good
I'm literally reading this again I don't know why I love to be heartbroken 😭
seeing you cry literally made me cry again because all the memories just came flooding back