The ULTIMATE EcoFlow Delta Pro Setup for Long Term Blackouts and Emergency Preparedness
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I have to 2nd Ben's comment on EcoFlow's customer service. My Delta Pro stopped recharging. I emailed EF had a response within 4hrs asking if there was a error code on the screen which it was, gave the rep the error code and had a response within an hr stating they are sending me a replacement which I had the following week. TOP NOTCH!!!
Totally agree, I had to turn in my DeltaPro for no out error code, no questions sent me a refurbished one within a week. Awesome customer service! Highly recommend
Ben, 107V is the magic number. Your panels need to put out more than 107 Vmp but must not exceed 150 Voc. If your panels put out 1600W or more and exceed 107 Vmp, there’s no reason why your Delta Pro shouldn’t intake 1600W. If it doesn’t it’s defective (check with a meter).
107V x 15A = 1600W
Anything over 107V will allow the Pro to pull 1600W with 15A or less current. Anything less than 107V and it will be limited by the 15A max it can draw.
100V x 15A = 1500W, for example. If you’re only getting 1400W you might only be at 93V input, or your panels might not support 15A, or the sun is not at 100% strength.
I like the reasoning it being one of the longest lasting power maker...not only that, when you have solar coming in, there's absolutely zero dependance on fuel like gas or propane. I have Ecoflows smaller Delta Pro 1024 Wh, running from 5x 100 watt panels....and on a cloudy day, I'm able to top off the battery and it currently runs my bedroom tv, MacBook Pro, A lamp, and various usb powered stuff. In the morning I do a repeat with recharging.
You can also get a Connection to directly connect the 500 gallon tank to the Generator
I over panelled mine with 4 times 545 watt panels in 2S2P just under 100 volts DC. I peak at 1400 watts. The difference is they charge earlier and later and under cloud.
The only thing wrong with a propane generator is that it makes noise, which could attract unwelcome attention from neighbors that are sitting in the dark.
My EF dual fuel generator is quiet compared to my gas generator...kinda like a loud hum. Charges my delta pro's and extra batteries very quickly if it's real cloudy and my solar input is low.
@@watchmanonthewall3852 good to know. Thanks.
Thank you for your videos 😊
Ben, thanks for the great video, I copied your original setup with the wire rack shelf with two primary DeltaPro batteries with a extra battery on each side. In addition I added a third primary DeltaPro for extra solar charging. I charge all 7 batteries with 12 solar panels on my roof divide in four 400w panels run down to my garage. I typically run two separate transfer switch boxes, one for my 240v circuits (heat pump water heater, pool Pump, irrigation pump) plus 3 other 110v circuits; total of 10 breakers. My second transfer switch box runs six 110v circuits. So the two transfer switch boxes run independently and never connect to the grid. I've been running this 24/7 over a year, besides when I'm out on vacation, giving it a break. I didn't see how to leave a picture, so let me know if you would like to see it.
Thank you!
Have you thought about hybridizing your set up by adding a wind turbine to get you those extra Wh at night or all day long?
There was a discussion on one of the Bluette FB pages about the energy tax credit. People were saying if you have a Bluetti ac200max and you add an expansion battery B230 that none of the system is eligible for tax credit, because each battery is under 3KWHs so it don't qualify. Now I'm not sure who is right.
I saw over 1600 watts of input on my delta pros last week the day I connected all my panels in series. I have 4 x 400 watt EcoFlow rigid panels and the input went to 1603 several times. This only happened after I connected the panels in series with 10AWG cables. The input was dramatically lower (maxed out at about 1040 watts) when I had the panels connected in series-parallel.
As long as you're within the maximum allowed voltage I would choose series, even if there's shading.
That's truly awesome! I'm really glad it's working for you.
Ben, I am going round and round trying to pick a system for my tiny off grid RV spot. I have a Fifth wheel Camper, permanently parked on my land and I need a setup to provide 12 and 120 volt power to it for up to 3 days as I typically only vacation there for that long. So I would like to have a mobile battery system that I can bring to the property at the beginning of summer, leave it there until winter, and provide my RV with enough continuous power to run the RV heater (blower motor) at night, 12v water pump, propane instant hot water heater (not sure if this has any power need), 12 volt car radio with subwoofer amp all day, 42 inch TV, a laptops at night for several hours, some 120v LED cafe and disco lights around the camper at night and all of the 12V camper lights, and maybe a Starlink set up for internet, as well as a Kureig or coffee maker in the morning, a blender, a microwave, toaster, and then battery chargers for tools. I have plenty of room for solar panels. So the question is which one of these portable solar power back up batteries with extension batteries would be your choice for this type of use? I have no power at the property, so I need it to be self sufficient, totally off grid to re-charge itself during the day and maintain juice through the night. I am in the Rocky mountains outside of Fairplay, CO at 10,000 ft elevation. Anker, Oupes, Ecolflow, or Bluetti ??? I think 2000watts at minimum. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks
That's a cool site for your RV. That's a bit more than I can figure out on the flly. Shoot me an email to info@poweredportablesolar.com and let's get a consult worked out so you can get exactly what you need and make sure it'll work as expected.
thanks Ben
OK thank you for your reply and so I think I will pursue hooking up my 30 amp with possibly six receptacles in my basement and that will give me 30 A instead of the 20 then I’m limited to with the four receptacles it comes with
I wonder if you could split the DC charging cable and charge two DeltaPros from one SmartGen. I guess I could always disconnect the 220v link and charge one DP with the SmartGen and the other DP with my Honda Gen.
Thank you
The Ecoflow river 2 max that I and others have purchased have serious issues. My 423.00 unit would not charge after the first use, it won't charge with the car adapter or the usb. It's under warranty but the Amazon retailer will not honor the unit. I recommend buying a different brand other than Ecoflow products.
Ok now I’m thinking about getting the EcoFlow generator with the dual fuel. I like the DC to DC charge. Thumbs up 👍
Another great video Ben!
You did a good touching on all the major points.
Many EcoFlow (EF) users are using 6 panels in the 350 watt to 400 watt range with a VOC of 40 configured in 3S2P or 3S3P if you really want to be over panelled.
am using 3S3P so each of my arrays has a max 3,240 watts even though the DP will only pull the 1,600 watts. Yes, I agree with you that the 1,600 watt limitation is the bottleneck for these, especially when a user has 2 Extra Batterie (EBs)
EF’s new Delta Pro Ultra launching Jan 9-20224 will have 2 solar MPPT inputs. One low voltage PV 30-50 volts, 1600 watt input and one high voltage PV 80-450 volts, 4,000 watts)
Something to keep I'm mind if you are NOT using EcoFlow Smart Generators to charge the Delta Pros (DPs).
In this video (ruclips.net/video/kVEqvLiHx2w/видео.html), BOTH my Delta Pro's are being charged via DC through the Switched-Mode Power Supply (SMPS) at 1,200 watts to EACH DP via Yamaha EF6300iSDE.
Since making this video, I have added 4 EBs and I now use the Ideal Pulsing SMPS. The 2,000 watt Ideal Pulsing SMPS outputs the full 1,600 watts that each DP can pull in to each DP.
To my knowledge, this is the only way to charge 2 DP + 4 EBs via DC power other than disconnecting one of the EB’s from each DP and using TWO EcoFlow Smart Generators or using solar panels for the DP's to have their batteries charged WHILE connected to Double Voltage Hub (DVH).
In my case, the DVH is supplying 240 volts to my transfer switch which in turn is supplying power to my house panel which is powering my whole house. I needed the DVH and the 240 volts it produces for my well pump.
For example, if the DVH is only drawing 1,000 watts total for my whole house, the DP's are still getting 1,600 watts EACH of input.
There are losses in the AC to DC conversion as each of my SMPS consume 1,875 watts of AC power to produce 1,600 watt DC power.
If I were to connect my DP's directly to AC outputs on my Yamaha EF6300iSDE, the DP's AC outputs and Infinity cable outputs to the DVH are disabled while being charged from AC power source so this is not an option if a user needs to recharge while still the DPs.
So if any of your You Tube viewers already own a 4000+ watt dual fuel or propane generator (doesn’t need to be pure sine wave for use with SMPS), this option might save them some dollars.
Switched-Mode Power Supply (SMPS) purchased from:
www.alibaba.com/product-detail/AC-110-240V-to-DC-24V_1600953688263.html
taking a shot in the dark here, kevin, i have DP with 2 EB and 4 eco flow 400 watt panels. could i get two additional 400 watt panels and series 3 plus three, then paraell those two sets in series into the xt60 ? im new but just starting to learn a little. i think thats what is called 3S2P
@@markharris7723 yes, with 6 x 400 watt panels, 3s2P is ideal as long as the VOC of those 400 watt panels is around 40 volts
I am cursed with error code 121. I just received my warranty replacement DeltaPro, then the next day, my second Delta Pro threw error code 121. Im in an email exchange for it now. They have never seen over voltage input and definitely haven't seen over wattage output. Im beginning to think i have a bad EB.
When you have a 2 battery and 2 delta pro combo, can you double your solar input and spread the charge across all 4 unit?
How many watts can generator push to DP with DC and AC?
I have 1800w appliance but it put its 220v can I use on 1 delta pro? I’m not good with spec hope u be able to help
Great vids… like watching them over and over… your opinion… 2 delta pro or 1 delta pro and an extra battery?
Thank you. It always depends. Do you need 240v? In reality, I prefer Apollo. DP doesn't have load sharing, charge sharing, and can't use 120v if you use two units for 240v. Apollo has load sharing, charge sharing, and can still use 120v outlets while outputting 240v. I have 100% switched to the Apollo system. I am testing the new Delta Pro Ultra system now too. But I lean towards Apollo for sure. PoweredPortableSolar.com/shop
Thanks for this video. I have a quick question. If I have the Delta Pro with an extra battery connected to port 1 and then add the duel fuel generator to port 2 of the Delta Pro, with the duel fuel generator change the delta Pro and Extra battery together or will I need to disconnect from the Delta Pro and connect the duel fuel generator directly to the Extra Battery to charge that up.
Any reply on this?
It should charge batt & Pro at the same time.
Ben -- Have you tried charging with 240V (from the grid) while two Pros are in 240 configuration? Can this be done? Or is it like you mentioned...only DC charging from the Delta genny while in 240 config. I currently own a Pro with two batteries and I have a cable that switches from 6-15P to C13. I'm considering a 2nd Pro and two gennys.
I have not tested that but my understanding is you can recharge them from 240v when they're outputting 240v. But nearly no one has two 240v outlets they can pull from to charge both units at the same time with 240v while outputting 240v.
Meu delta Pro está desligando o AC direto. Só trabalha quando quer
Hi Ben hope all is well. I left a question on another video i guess you never saw it. I need some help with some information about solar panels. So i am new to solar and power stations. I just purchased a EcoFlow Delta 2 Max portable station. I want to purchase solar panels for the station but i’m not sure which panels match i want to get flexible panels cause its easier for me i was looking at renogy but i have no clue if they are compatible with Eco Flow stations? I also have another question.
Yes you can use renogy panels on that. info@poweredportablesolar.com we can set up a consult.
I have the Delta Pro generator, and there are four receptacles labeled 20 A and next to it is a 30 amp RV style receptacle and I was wondering if it’s possible to connect to both of these at one time
Yes, but the total collective output is limited to 120v and 30a between all of those outlets together. You will not get 50a by plugging into a 20a and 30a at the same time.
I have an off grid cabin in the north. There is not enough sunlight to use solar for several months. How long could I run 8 LEDs and a small fridge on the top Delta Pro system before needing a charge?
Assuming they are 100w equivalent, they'll use 14w each. Running 8 of them is 112w. The DP is 83% efficient which means to run 112w it'll use 131w, plus about 20w of idle power usage, so total usage is about 150w. A DP battery is 3,600wh. That equals 24 hours of non-stop run time for all 8 lights. Each battery is also 3,600wh so you'll had another 24 hours of non-stop run time per battery.
In my opinion the reality is you should get an Apollo (poweredportablesolar.com/product/hysolis-apollo/) because it has 3x the solar input as a DP. Even though you have poor sunlight in the winter you can still get some, the more solar panels, the more input you have. You can keep things running better than you can with a DP setup. And, because the Apollo has "dark start" or "self restart" even if your batteries drain down, once the solar panels recharge the battery back up a bit, it will automatically start running the lights again. When the DP runs out of battery, it turns off and must be manually restarted to get AC power output. info@poweredportablesolar.com if you need more help.
Will the Delta pro's set up for 240v charge from wall outlet (AC) when not running? If not, I assume you could unplug the 240v set up and do that. Thanks!
yes, actually, if you shut off the DVH, you can charge them from AC power ( ruclips.net/video/OiJY9EJ5zw0/видео.htmlsi=RsTWc1vKSphJvohk ) such as a stand alone PURE SINE WAVE generator BUT a user really needs to disconnect the L14-30 cable from the DVH if the user intends to charge the DPs from the same electrical system that is connected to the user's transfer switch. Failing to to disconnect the the L14-30 from either the DVH or the transfer switch will result in a double neutral bond causing a "ground loop" while will FRY the DP's AC charging circuit. Well know You Tuber Will Prowse learned this the hard way last year ( ruclips.net/video/n5dUCNIRgWc/видео.htmlsi=ClLtpIPinR0I2_Ix ) as have many other EcoFlow (EF) users as EF has never provided any guidance in their manual on this specific topic because EF designed the DPs to be used with their Smart Home Panel (SHP)
I didn’t think the DVH was for the smart panel since the smart panel has connections for each delta pro. I haven’t actually installed mine yet…currently have an inlet for a generator connection. I have mine plugged into a wall outlet and connected to the inlet but neither are active at the same time.
Please tell us about the DELTA Pro Ultra and related bundles
I'm limited on what I can say until my unit arrives which should be soon.
Am I the only one who is extremely dissatisfied that the DP DFG isn’t compatible with the DPU. Because of this, I firmly believe ECO Flow is a marketing machine. For the record I have 2 DP, 4 400w EF rigid panels, DFG and SHP. All of which I bought during their “massive” September promotion. I haven’t opened the SHP and DFG. So disappointed.
@@JurassicJenkins A substantial cost/Investment. Not worth it if you are older late 50's and up.
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l've had two delta pros now one has a faulty screen and is 3 months old and I'm hold I only get a refurbished replacement not a new one
My second one smokes comes out the sides when you plug a 400 watts solar panel into it EcoFlow has repaired it and it still dose it so l've asked for a new one and l've been told they can not offer a new one or a refurbished one as I did not buy it from a registered seller ie them so just been warned we don't have warranty unless you get it from them so why are you selling them to other companies not a very good way to do business
I need your employee discount
is there a way to hook up to Delta pros together? Use one as a back up battery?
I had this question as well. I found the answer on a forum from someone who had contacted Ecoflow about it. Basically you charge one off the other and plug your loads into the one being charged. It uses AC on both ends so you have losses but it does work. I have done it in a pinch.
Can u give estimated pricing on these setups with and without installation.
Black Friday may be best time to pull the trigger. The system is pretty much plug and play besides having the EcoFlow 10 circuit home panel. I use two normal transfer switches one for my 240 circuits and one for more 110v circuits. It's all based on your needs, I run two DeltaPro batteries with 4 Extra batteries like Ben's original setup. I installed 3 four 400w arrays on my roof so I get about 1300 to 1600 watts solar, per array, . It runs all my circuits and charges during the day and essential circuits over night. I don't run my A/C , but shaves off the electric bill. Do your research and start small and build it slowly. I used an electrician for the transfer switches and solar panels on my roof. I'm in about $20K, but I have a tax burden, so minus 30%, plus I live in Florida, the sunshine state 🌞
I’m running 2 DP’s with 4 EB’s and two smart gens. I assume I can charge one dp w/ one eb and then charge the other EB separately. Of course that’s not ideal.
I am running the same as you.
This is the comment I just shared above with Ben.
Another great video Ben!
You did a good touching on all the major points.
Many EcoFlow (EF) users are using 6 panels in the 350 watt to 400 watt range with a VOC of 40 configured in 3S2P or 3S3P if you really want to be over panelled.
am using 3S3P so each of my arrays has a max 3,240 watts even though the DP will only pull the 1,600 watts. Yes, I agree with you that the 1,600 watt limitation is the bottleneck for these, especially when a user has 2 Extra Batterie (EBs)
EF’s new Delta Pro Ultra launching Jan 9-20224 will have 2 solar MPPT inputs. One low voltage PV 30-50 volts, 1600 watt input and one high voltage PV 80-450 volts, 4,000 watts)
Something to keep I'm mind if you are NOT using EcoFlow Smart Generators to charge the Delta Pros (DPs).
In this video (ruclips.net/video/kVEqvLiHx2w/видео.html), BOTH my Delta Pro's are being charged via DC through the Switched-Mode Power Supply (SMPS) at 1,200 watts to EACH DP via Yamaha EF6300iSDE.
Since making this video, I have added 4 EBs and I now use the Ideal Pulsing SMPS. The 2,000 watt Ideal Pulsing SMPS outputs the full 1,600 watts that each DP can pull in to each DP.
To my knowledge, this is the only way to charge 2 DP + 4 EBs via DC power other than disconnecting one of the EB’s from each DP and using TWO EcoFlow Smart Generators or using solar panels for the DP's to have their batteries charged WHILE connected to Double Voltage Hub (DVH).
In my case, the DVH is supplying 240 volts to my transfer switch which in turn is supplying power to my house panel which is powering my whole house. I needed the DVH and the 240 volts it produces for my well pump.
For example, if the DVH is only drawing 1,000 watts total for my whole house, the DP's are still getting 1,600 watts EACH of input.
There are losses in the AC to DC conversion as each of my SMPS consume 1,875 watts of AC power to produce 1,600 watt DC power.
If I were to connect my DP's directly to AC outputs on my Yamaha EF6300iSDE, the DP's AC outputs and Infinity cable outputs to the DVH are disabled while being charged from AC power source so this is not an option if a user needs to recharge while still the DPs.
So if any of your You Tube viewers already own a 4000+ watt dual fuel or propane generator (doesn’t need to be pure sine wave for use with SMPS), this option might save them some dollars.
Switched-Mode Power Supply (SMPS) purchased from:
www.alibaba.com/product-detail/AC-110-240V-to-DC-24V_1600953688263.html
I have the same setup. Can you actually use 4 of the EF portable panels or is that too much voltage? I have heard that it was. Also, can you charge an individual extra battery directly from the dual fuel gens?
Are these hardened at all against an EMP or major solar event?
Nope. Working on that though.
I really enjoy controlling all my EcoFlow products (6) with their app.
The best thing to do is get 3 Delta pros, all the batteries and just keep switching out the batteries from one generator and expect generated in having 1 generated charge. All the batteries when it's not been using for anything else and have the charging. On the other generators, even don't won't charge him all the way, but when it gets too low, where you need more power and stuff get to switch out the better one generated to that generate in switch no jet batteries to that generator soul that it can precharge to batteries for you, especially where you. May have Three weeks without sun a whole lot of power. Of course I won't buy a gas general. I won't buy for paying generator I won't buy cold generator I won't buy an oil generator I won't buy a diesel generator I'll just buy solar panels. Sorry but of course I pride just use the solar panels I have. So I just buy more generators with more batteries just to charge up batteries. Just so that when we do have a little bit of problem, we just switch to batteries to the one that Are run everythanks.
Ben EcoFlow has your phone caller ID connected to a Red Light and Siren ? So that their whole team Snap to Attention when you call…… just kidding… have a good day…
I am thinking about getting two Delta Pro's with two external dual fuel smart gennys, and two external batteries to run a split phase 240 Volts AC @ 30 Amps setup for home backup. I need a clarification on the re-charging capabilities of this setup while outputting 240 Volts in split-phase continuously - It is my understanding from your video the Delta Pro's cannot be charged from 120 Volts AC wall outlets while operating in split-phase 240 Volts AC output configuration, but can be charged from Solar input and from the smart generators while outputting 240 Volts AC in split-phase 240 Volts AC mode. Is this correct ?
Yes. Both Delta Pros can be charged from their OWN separate solar array from the solar input and from TWO smart generators while outputting 240 Volts AC in split-phase 240 Volts AC mode.
Something to keep I'm mind if you do NOT want to use EcoFlow Smart Generators to charge the Delta Pros (DPs).
In this video (ruclips.net/video/kVEqvLiHx2w/видео.html), BOTH my Delta Pro's are being charged via DC through the Switched-Mode Power Supply (SMPS) at 1,200 watts to EACH DP via Yamaha EF6300iSDE.
Since making this video, I have added 4 EBs and I now use the Ideal Pulsing SMPS. The 2,000 watt Ideal Pulsing SMPS outputs the full 1,600 watts that each DP can pull in to each DP.
To my knowledge, this is the only way to charge 2 DP + 4 EBs via DC power other than disconnecting one of the EB’s from each DP and using TWO EcoFlow Smart Generators or using solar panels for the DP's to have their batteries charged WHILE connected to Double Voltage Hub (DVH).
In my case, the DVH is supplying 240 volts to my transfer switch which in turn is supplying power to my house panel which is powering my whole house. I needed the DVH and the 240 volts it produces for my well pump.
For example, if the DVH is only drawing 1,000 watts total for my whole house, the DP's are still getting 1,600 watts EACH of input.
There are losses in the AC to DC conversion as each of my SMPS consume 1,875 watts of AC power to produce 1,600 watt DC power.
If I were to connect my DP's directly to AC outputs on my Yamaha EF6300iSDE, the DP's AC outputs and Infinity cable outputs to the DVH are disabled while being charged from AC power source so this is not an option if a user needs to recharge while still the DPs.
So if any You Tube viewers already own a 4000+ watt dual fuel or propane generator (doesn’t need to be pure sine wave for use with SMPS), this option might save them some dollars.
Switched-Mode Power Supply (SMPS) purchased from:
www.alibaba.com/product-detail/AC-110-240V-to-DC-24V_1600953688263.html
I still am preferring my Apollo setup becuase it has load sharing that the DP does not. If one DP drains faster than the other DP then they are unbalanced. The Apollos balance each other even if they have different loads and different solar input. I'll have videos coming out about all of this.
@@minutemanprep Yeah, well, I've been patiently waiting to see more videos about the Apollo, but haven't seen any. I don't know about the Apollo, except that it's even more money than the EcoFlow Delta Pro.
@@markjob6354 Fair enough. I have more videos on the Apollo coming out. It is more per unit but there are A LOT of features that are included in that. 33% more battery in the base unit and expansion batteries, dark start, load balancing, up to 10 expansion batteries instead of only 2, charge from AC while outputting 240v, TUV certification, 4,400w solar input which is 64% more, can link up to 12 Apollos together for more AC output capability, built in removable screen, and so on. I will be going over all of that in a video that will be coming out in the near future.
@@minutemanprep Good. I hope to see that video coming sooner than later, as I'm in decision mode now. 👍 Montek has just launched a simple suitcase plug and play auto Split-Phase solution, which allows you to use x 2 suitcase X1200's or X2000's with a simple dual aviation plug connectable hub giving you 4000 Watts of 60 Hz 240 Volts AC for under $2,500.00 CAD and it allows you to use the regular 120 Volt AC 20 Amp outlets AT THE SAME TIME ! 👍 It also has dark start. EcoFlow Firmware updated the Delta Pro to also now be able to turn itself back on AND START THE AC INVERTERS UP AGAIN WHILE IN 240 Volts AC !! 😲😲😲👍
i'm looking for a power station that can't be hacked into, like how the Ring cameras can be, or even today's cars can be remotely taken over. i worry about a company being ordered to cut people's power with a "back door" phone app or something like it.
This is the system you want then: poweredportablesolar.com/product/apollo-kits/. It has the ability to hook up to an app and be wifi controlled if you want, but if you don't set that up it cannot be hacked into. The EcoFlow units require lots of updates and therefore requires wifi and app use often to get those updates. The Apollos do not.
Anybody else having more problems than their worth? Already had two defective DPs in a few months. Great customer service is worthless if the product is the problem
Yes! I sold my Delta Pro setup for less than half of the buying price originally. I lost a lot of money selling them but I had to make room for new, better, units.
@@minutemanprepwhat did you go with that’s better?
@@tsutton77 I now use the Apollo: poweredportablesolar.com/shop/
I dont even watch these, i'm too poor in this economy
When those batteries reach their charge cycle limit, they are 100% useless!
Like all batteries that reach EOL eventually.
It drops to 80 % after 5 to ten years
Sheesh sissy prepper.