Why Are They IGNORING THIS?!: FF13 - Day 7
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If we glossed over Mike committing genocide in Baldur's Gate, we can gloss over Vanilla.
and dog killer XD.
We've all seen the BG3 vods Mike... something something glass houses.
Yeah, the lack of a move/formation command in FF13 is a flaw, for sure.
I don't know why Mike is upset about Vanille committing genocide. If anything, that should be making him love her since he seems to commit genocide on a fairly regular basis in his streams. Maybe he's upset that he didn't commit genocide instead.
"Nobody can play with my toys but me." - Mike
Lightning/Fang/Hope was pretty much my team for the rest of the play through once you could create parties.
same. every time. i just bring in Vanille to farm the turtles with death when you need gil
I'm glad that Mike had a chance to see how the summons work. The mega-phoenix is indeed nice, but I hope he experiment more and see what else what they can be useful for.
I know this is about to happen soon, but wonder if Mike can figure 1) who Vanille's Eidolon is and 2) what form it will take when it uses gestalt mode. That'd be a fun time for him to figure out.
It reallys seems that Mike is enjoying the combat based on how he explained in detail that Juggernaut fight. FFVII R probably spoiled me, but I wished that the game slows down (like how you use abilities in VIIR) whenever you switch paradigms as 1 mistake with switching the wrong paradigm can cause you the whole fight.
The Sentinel as a crappy tank with poor positioning was a major annoyance for me having played MMOs for so long.
My raid leader, who also was main tank, streamed 13 and it hurt his tank brain that the Sentinel was cleaving the party.
Healer issue; don't stand behind the tank
Genocide in my Final Fantasy?
the best part of using summons was it drops those turtles down instantly so the stomp attacks stop for a bit
It's been a long time since I played 13 but I vaguely remember getting all of the non chocobo and non-turtle blocked chests on my first visit. I literally explored the entire main area as soon as I got there. The fight were hard at first but drop so much cp that even if you aren't trying to grind, you end up getting your characters to a good spot. I think if Mike would have explored the entire zone and just fought the doggos he would have gotten enough cp to up his health enough to handle the behemoths. He could have also easily killed the first Juggernaut with a paradigm change. I've noticed he hasn't played around with a lot of the character combos and paradigm combos and I think if he would have had swapped out Lightning for Hope, he could have had double medic, double sab, and double syn paradigms, as well as double rav+sen. Those buffs would have taken him the distance. Part of the problem is I think he still hasn't realized that non-Commando classes can also reduce the Stagger bar drop, such as Sen Provoke or Sab debuffs. It's all good though, I'm glad he's enjoying the game, I've yelled since it's original release that it was massively underrated and I hope it gets him to play the sequels which I also love.
PS Is Mike one of those people that has like 1000 unread emails in his inbox? The lack of clearing the exclamation marks in the Shops, datalogs, etc, has driven me crazy since his first day in the game.
I might be the only one but I loved Snow. I loved Pulse. Lightning was so fun. 13-2 was my favorite game.
hope he tries 13-2 after this.
I'll be waiting for Xmas 2026 when he might have time 😊
I think Ragnarok is supposed to be not under her control, and also they viewed Cocoon as a horrible enemy - pretty much how cocoon people view Pulse
I remember going back to a previous save where you last fight humanoids and just grinded that out to get credits. It was as fun as it sounds.
To be fair, the party murdered a good number of psycom and guardian force soldiers - also Humans - without even knowing what their focuses were, plus the people Snow and his gang got killed, by making them follow him (albeit they would have died either way, so...) . It would be a bit hypocritical to call only Vanille and Fang out about the murder, without adressing their own guilt.
Not to mention that Vanille attacked this mysterious cocoon from the outside. The only "information" she had on what is inside Cocoon, back in the day, was the propaganda she's been fed about Cocoon being hell, just like the people of Cocoon were told that Pulse was a hell, where every living thing was supposedly a sadistic monster. And I'm sure the purges within Cocoon killed a lot more people over the many decades or centuries, than the single attack by Ragnarok did.
Alexander was always a "living castle" so him turning into a wall kind of makes sense, even if it's quite the downscale to previous Final Fantasies. In FF8 he loomed over a hill in the distance. In FF9 he is towering over a regular stone castle... and here he's a 2 or so meter tall wall. ^^
The funny thing is he figured out that you're supposed to sell the credit chips (though not after using the first few as upgrade materials), but not all the other items you're supposed to sell like the seeds or perfume. There's been about 150K gil worth of perfume used as upgrade components so far.
Granted, this is a bit of a UX failure. They could have made a fourth category icon for all the "you should sell this" components, or at least not auto-sort them into the middle of your component list just like all the other upgrade components, but I think this was still a few years before having a junk/vendor item tab became popular in RPGs. Since you have to select and read the item text for every item and there's a hundred different components, I'm not surprised that he didn't read them all.
The Quickenings from FF12 are a real gamble where they could potentially do huge damage, but could also do really low damage.
The Zodiac Age version at least separated MP from the Mist guage, but in the original PS2 version you would effectively sacrifice all your magic to do a Quickening and do barely any damage at all
Final fantasy 13: Confusion
I think the reason they gloss over it is becouse ragnerok is assumed to be a mindless monster transformation. At least i assumed becoming ragnarok was something you couldnt control
Vanille's cute so we give her a pass 🤣
You were indeed not supposed to fight juggernaut. As for future fights, you've been properly-leveled (maybe slightly over) for a while, but you are extremely overgeared for where you are now (post-Bart). You're going to blast through the fights.
I don't think he's gonna struggle with most of the boss fights anymore, once you get access to the full party and the crystarium fully unlocks, the difficulty for bosses at least drops and as long as he doesn't bump into mobs that are clearly not around his level, it should be an easy run.
Nah, you can do the Juggernaut this early. I did on my playthrough. When you cast debuffs on it, it will stun lock it into Steam Clean spam. You take very little damage and you just beat on him.
That thumbnail looks crazy at first glance
Poor man once he starts XIII-2
Mike, you gotta start using RAVs more...XD
You've been misunderstanding the stagger buildup mechanic throughout your whole playthrough.
Try this just once and see what happens, you're gonna get that AHA moment.
1-2 FULL strings of COMs or SABs attacks. Then paradigm shift to 3 RAVs and spam auto-battle. Look at the magic
he just missed the tutorial on role's party passive effects.
probably because it doesn't exist. for some reason.
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz He opened the datalog sections for Role explanations, but as always he refuses to both read and comprehend anything in text form.
iirc the "story" that took you through the yaschas massif and back was entirely optional, you got them because you were following hunts, you could have just gone straight to the mine and skipped the backtracking.
This is amazing to listen to as someone who hasn't played the game. I'm intrigued by people turning into ash trays.
Can someone tell him the Chocobos are gated behind hunts? I'm sure he wants to go for everything possible but at least he won't get annoyed at coming back to the hunts and unlocking them after the final boss like I did.
LOL hes falling down th 13 rabbit hole
As he should. This game is fun!
I really hope he ends up playing Lighting Returns (cuz 13 and LR I love a lot) and 13-2 (which i hate but he has to get to LR somehow)
Funny, for me it's the other way around. I really like 13-2 and loathe LR. ^^
I get a feeling he's going to continue on to the spinoff and sequel FF's after he finishes Rebirth. I've seen several vods and he says he's "open" to it lol
@noztkFor me it's the narritive and characters. Throughout all the base game Lightning was the most boring and uninteresting character to me. While XIII-2 hyped Lightning up in the lore, she was just a glorified cameo in it, so I didn't mind it too much there, but now she's the be-all-end-all sole saviour of the universe and only hope of life and yada yada.
In 13-2 I didn't like how you now only had two people plus one slot for monsters, in place of a proper party. And what does LR do? Rather than reverse on the party shrinking, do away entirely with the party and have Lightning of all people be the sole playable character.
And who's her most frequent conversation partner? Hope... but not the more tolerable 13-2 Hope, but the baby Hope, who was the second most boring character, after Lightning (and yes, I know the "twist", but it doesn't make it any better).
Yay... I'm going to spend most of my time with the two most boring and one-dimensional characters of FF13...
Yeah the gameplay wasn't really my thing either, but I feel I could have survived that, if the story and characters and all that were good, but like this I didn't make it to the second zone, about 80 minutes in. -_-
I watched a story play-through on RUclips and yeah...the story isn't my cup of tea either. I don't feel that I missed anything by only watching, rather than playing it.
It's been a while since i played the game, but I have a vague memory of positioning myself by using certain attacks because they placed my character in a predictable way... even timing attacks to dodge aoes.
But she’s not committing a genocide RIGHT NOW though
seems like Mike is missing some key things about this glorious combat system that really elevate it. the game does not explain it well so i sorta understand. if he goes back to do the hunts after the msq then he is gonna need to figure it out or they are actually impossible
I don't know if anybody in the chat told him about ATB boosting with shifts, if you time your paradigm shift correctly, your entire ATB will be refreshed.
I'm going to need Mike up focus up because I'm getting at my info about this game from these tdps.
For ANY of the Adamant mobs, your best option is to summon ASAP cos that knocks out their legs and makes them useless for a while, after that you can either spam death til you snipe it or kill it the normal way, for some of the post game fights that's very much the go to tactics as someone that 100% this game on the PS3 years ago and is now replaying it cos i got that urge when i saw Mike playing it. Also eventually you'll reach like 15k+ hp.
Japan has a strong cultural memory of nuclear strikes hitting them. Which is reflected in a lot of media like Akira and Godzilla. Given that they pulse and cocoon were opposed, it is not out of thw question that a japanese writer would touch on the ideas of massive strikes like this. And have the person responsible be a young and seemingly sweet girl. To add some irony or food for thought.
It is so funny. This entire time he's been going on and on about how much of a liar Vanille is, and yet in this instance he takes her at face value. lmao p.s. He shouldn't.
It's the games responsibility to clear up these things, and have the characters react appropriately. The game's character interactions are awful, and he points this out several times throughout the playthrough how Lightning gives away the knife from her sister when she was on her deathbed or how ridiculous Snow is trying to carve (?) out his wife or Hope's TED talks of someone who knows very little, and the list goes on. In coming videos the group similarly acts without proper reason as well. Motivations and conflict is REALLY handled poorly throughout this game. From what he's seen so far probably the worst story and storytelling of any FF game despite the combat probably being the most engaging. Hopefully they right a lot of wrongs in the future. Regardless, I think he'll play FFXIII-2 for the combat alone.
@@kmurphy0620 I don't disagree at all. I just think it's funny that this time he believed her. 😂
@@meiminokage He does seem to understand there is more to it, as he can't envision her actually committing genocide.
There is quite a bit of lore that has been fed to him that doesn't quite hit right, like Cie'ths and still all of Pulse since visiting there. They really need to set things straight with a show the player, not tell the player.
Will Preach play FFXIII-2 and FFXIII-3?
He is doing mainline first. Next is FF5 then will go on to FF7 Rebirth. After that, he might do the sequels and spinoffs.
Venat did do that. Spelling is correct.
This story is a complete mess. I will literally play this game only for the combat, and skip every cutscene after watching enough with Preach. People may be able to justify it enough to say that it isn't nonsensical, but it's certainly explained that way. I just listen for it for the lols.
In Final Fantasy 10, another story by Motomu Toriyama, the protagonists' goal is to genocide the people of Zanarkand, and that's treated as a good thing. They are not just ghosts endlessly playing out their former lives, or something like that. No, Tidus is a living, thinking, even corporeal person who exists in a real civilization that happens to perpetuate its existemce as a result of the power of "summoning". Jean Luc Picard wouldn't deny their right to exist on that basis, and neither should anyone else. The things that happen in Zanarkand, like kids asking for Tidus' autograph, his dad being an alcoholic, or him playing a sports game, are all real, spontaneous events lived by autonomous, conscious beings. You murdered millions of people just to prevent the occasional beachfront property damage in Spira. Good job, everyone! Motomu Toriyama is apparently a person who treats mass murder very cavalierly in his stories.
can we stop comparing FF12's gambits to FF13? it's fking stupid.
gambits are a completely optional system, and even if you do use it you have to program it yourself.
in 13 2/3rds of your party play themselves and you can't switch leader mid battle.
they are not even comparable.
Yep, 12 allowed you to control every single action of your entire party, if that was what you wanted and the gambit system was just if you didn't want to micromanage everything. Also it didn't give you a game-over, from a single one of your characters dying. That's probably the stupidest thing in all of FF13, that you just wipe, even when the other two are still alive and able to resurrect...
The closest comparison is FFX-2 with the dress spheres. Basically, it's the same system, and they both come from the same game directors
Calling the gambit system "optional" isn't a good argument. It is a major system of the game and is intended to be used by everyone. Optimal FF12 leans heavily on automated party members with occasional player intervention. The more game knowledge you have, the less player interventions are required because you can tailor the gambit for upcoming fights.
All FF13 does is auto program the gambits for you while the player dictates the flow of the encounter with occasional direct intervention. These are very similar systems with some small, but key differences.
So no, it's not dumb to compare these games.
Nope
I wish Mike would play Octopath traveler
Same. I saw a question about it pass by in some streams, but so far I was not there, if he answered any of them. Maybe once all the main FFs are done, it will come up.
I think he would love this series.