@Albert Dibari Reeve didn't have quite the brashness of Gibson, so yeah, very interesting. For me, three moments make it special: Fletcher screaming "I am in hell!" and "I'll run you through!" The shot of the Chief weeping when Fletcher takes his daughter away, and the tear falling down Bligh's cheek when he is vindicated. Funny Roger Donaldson made such an excellent film, then went on to make Cocktail. Life's not fair, eh? teeheehee
Christian was giving Bligh a chance to see reason and realize that the crew were very on edge with him and was warning him he's going too far with is punishments.
In the end, despite right or wrong, it was Bligh's lack of leadership skills that doomed everyone. A leader doesn't need to be liked, but he needs to be trusted.
That is rubbish, in fact, Bligh was quite the opposite in handing out punishment he punished far fewer that Cook in accordance with the standards of the day and Christian was in no position to comment upon Admiralty punishments.
@@andrewstackpool4911 I had the same takeaway from a maritime law lecture in undergrad. The prof indicated that the "romantic stories" of the mutiny are at odds with the records and crew accounts of Cook and Bligh. I have not read Cook's logs, but did read Bligh's. He was an incredibly competent seaman.
@@SeaMonkey137I read an accurate account of the bounty hoping to better understand the real cause of the mutiny and I still have mixed feelings. The mutiny is extremely nuanced with multiple contributors. Bligh is often vilified as people fail to account for the standards of the times (regarding punishment). No doubt that Bligh saved the lives of most people on that rowing boat.
@@tmclaug90Not bipolar but borderline personality disorder. Classic borderline rage exhibited here by Mel where he threatens to kill himself after he kills Bligh. Definitely quite the mix of mental disorders... tits up indeed!
@@Comewithmeifuwant2live aha. I have an associates degree in human behavior, so sometimes I like to swing a little bit above my weight when it comes to diagnosis lol.
@@tmclaug90In that case, I'm definitely not letting you away with that! Shocking altogether! Haha! I think it's fascinating though what we know about different mental illness' today, and the comparisons that are speculated about these two characters. I heard Bligh had Aspergers... can you imagine how the unintentional dismissive and "rude" nature of Bligh's disorder would appear so hurtful to someone with BPD? What a disastrous combo!
@@Comewithmeifuwant2live yea. I would love to be a fly on the wall for a day to observe these two interact. If it really was the extreme personality clash, than I feel sorry for the crew. They would have no idea haha, no recourse to try and alleviate the situation.
Just imagine for a second that your a young man onboard the Bounty that night, have almost no experience under your belt when it comes to sailing, and, despite your overall dislike for Captain Bligh, your neither loyal to him or the soon-to-be mutineers led by Fletcher Christian. All of a sudden your woken up by a fellow shipmate in the middle of the night and your told that "Christian's taking the ship, are you with us or not"? The amount of shock, confusion, and fear that would go through your head would be astounding! Not only that, without the ability of hindsight, your faced with two options and neither one seems attractive: 1. You can stay loyal to Bligh and his fellow officers and be sent adrift with them into the open ocean with little food, no water, and no guarantee of rescue. 2. Stick with Christian and the other mutineers's and sail back to Tahiti with them on board the Bounty with the promise of living the rest of your life in paradise..... at the price of never seeing your family and home again and, with the ability of hindsight, either eventually getting killed by the island natives, die of starvation or disease, or be murdered by your fellow shipmates on Pitcairn Island. The best possible scenario would be for the Royal Navy to eventually find you and a group of other mutineers's on the island of Tahiti a few years later and be brought back to the United Kingdom to possibly face trial for mutiny, which will likely end with execution.
Of those who were brought back to Great Britain, four were found not guilty and one, a midshipman who was then only 16 or 17 years old, was pardoned. The couldn't foresee that outcome though.
I think the best possible thing to do in that situation is to state that you are against the mutiny and loyal to Bligh, but stay on the boat. Therefore, you live 1 or 2 years in tropical paradise (Tahiti) waiting for a british ship to arrive and take you home, and at the same time be acquitted because "you never took part in the mutiny", as confirmed by Bligh.
It was interesting how many future Hollywood heavyweights were in this movie: Anthony Hopkins, Mel Gibson, Daniel Day Lewis, & Liam Neeson. If you had to get those guys to star together in another movie today the cost would be enormous. Historical note: the physical punishment that was meted out on The Bounty was actually less than that of other ships.
Ahaa! Your last sentence is very important. The truth is they couldn't get round Cape Horn. The weather conditions were just terrible. After more than a month of trying they had to finally give up. And go all the way cross the Atlantic and the Indian Ocean to get to the Pacific and Tahiti. It was getting on everybody's nerves. The beautiful women of Tahiti also played a part.
As I have gotten older and served in the Army, I sympathized with both sides because I was the enlisted Joey and then became a team leader. Bligh was an asshole but he had to be- there was no police force or Royal Marines on board to keep the men in line, but were sailing thousands of miles away from home. Discipline had to be maintained. The crew lost their sense of discipline after Tahiti, and became every leaders nightmare. After being a team leader, I would side with Bligh because every fuckarooni thinks they could do a better job...until they actually are in charge.
Danny Ruiz I was in the Navy, an enlisted Joey. Had a chief that was reminiscent of capt Bligh. I could see something like this happening today, especially considering how divided the nation has become
They werent even regular Navy sailors they were merchant civilian sailors. The only military sailor there was Bligh. He screwed up by treating the men according to strict military discipline. That aint going to work with puke civilians.
@nonya biz The difference between merchant sailors and navy sailors wasn’t too big back then anyways, and many of them had served with Captain Cook previously.
@@Shcreamingreenyep majority of Bligh’s actions aren’t even by the standards of Royal Navy Discipline, he was practically more lenient, other officers would have flogged and hanged any officers or crewmen for lapses in discipline in the Royal Navy. Also three man eight hours watches were practically an innovation.
I enjoyed the 1962 version but I thought the bombastic score was truly dreadful. Some of the love stuff with the Tahitian chick made me cringe a bit. I dunno… fun to read about the fraught production of it though
@Christopher Marlowe talking about trump claiming this was his favorite movie of all time.....He even cast himself as captain bligh thinking it was a good look...he obviously never seen it... Does that help clarify??
Bligh was absolutely correct in his treatment. My view is that he should never have remained in Otaheite but gone surveying they local seas. He had no Marines to enforce discipline and his sailing master and Midshipman Christian proved useless. It was time to restore discipline aboard an undisciplined ship.
It mostly comes down to the writing. They didn’t give him much to work with. They wanted to explore both characters doing what they believed was right, but Hopkins and Gibson both said they believe Christian should’ve been portrayed as the villain. Under the crew’s circumstances, that probably would’ve been the better choice. It would’ve given Gibson more to work with.
In this movie neither Bligh nor Christian are the villain, both are more or less victims of unforeseen & unmanageable circumstances. And neither is a hero outside of those who retained their admiration for one or the other. Though both possessed heroic qualities, each was strong willed & basically divided by fate, choice & circumstance. Fletcher chose his path, Bligh maintained his course. Both were legendary for different reasons. Leave it at that!
If characters in movies only paid attention to the music they would know what was about to happen. WHAT VIOLENCE DOTH RISING VIOLINS PORTEND? TIS IMPENDING DOOM FOR ALL, DOTH NOT MAN KNOW?
In reality, the decision to go around the Horn was not Bligh's. It was the Royal Navy's decision. Bligh disobeyed orders by abandonding it after trying and taking a safer, longer route.
While the warning of the mutiny is historically inaccurate, to its credit it at least feels believable, given the history between William Bligh and Fletcher Christian, especially before and during the voyage of HMS Bounty. Plus it helps to heighten the drama and tension in the movie.
If they killed the captain and the loyalists instead of setting them adrift. Then they would of never made it back to England and the government would of just assumed that the ship was lost in a storm or sank when it hit a reef. If they found the remaining crew years later they could of just lied and said they lost half the crew to hostile natives or illness. Or they could of burned the ship and said it sank and only half the crew made it to dry land
Interesting. Makes you wonder if some of the other historical ship accounts we have might actually be a made-up story by the crew. Did Magellan really fall at the hands of natives at the battle of mactan?
Nay. Even if Bligh didn't survive to tell the story, the Royal Navy would've noticed the ship had not returned on schedule and would investigate. Mutiny was actually not uncommon. So, if the Admiralty did find the crew, they would still take them back for trial and question every surviving officer and crewman. Same would happen if the ship returned to England with the captain and half the crew missing. Christian being a naval officer knew all this, and that his only other option was to hide.
They thought they did. No one could imagine that Bligh would navigate nearly 4000 across the Pacific with no charts and only his own memory of the waters.
The master at arms was Charles Churchill, the mutineer played by Liam Neeson in this movie. The Navy didn’t give Bligh a guard of Royal Marines because he was only a lieutenant, they were on a cutter instead of a full-sized warship, and it wasn’t a combat mission so they didn’t think a guard was necessary.
Anyone predisposed to be a tyrant should pay close attention to this scene. You can only push people so far and when you push too far on the wrong day it will cost you dearly.
From all of the movies, the historical accounts, documentaries I've seen, etc. etc. it's fairly obvious that Bligh was one of those kinds of people who could navigate his way around the solar system, but would never be able to get anyone to follow him.
This scene proves to me how much better the 1984 version is over the 60s version with Marlon Brando. In the older film Christian was some starry eyed dreamer always on the right side of history, and Bligh was a one-dimensional sadistic tyrant with nary a redeeming quality. I never go for films in which one character is purely evil and one purely good; it seems dogmatic and unsophisticated. In contrast, 1984 version shows Bligh and Christian both had good and bad qualities. In this scene, Christian is actually doing the honorable and loyal thing by warning his captain, and Bligh is defensive and obtuse. Yet in other scenes Bligh is steadfast and disciplined while Christian is a petulant whiner who forgoes his duty in favor of base pleasures. This is how real humans act; neither wholly good or bad, vulnerable to the same temptations as us all but also capable of moments of heroism. This film also rightly honors Bligh’s miraculous journey to Timor, which-love him or hate him-is undisputedly one of the finest examples of seamanship in human history. His courage, leadership and abilities delivered on his promise to bring those loyal to him to safety.
"There'll be no killing. We'll set him adrift." ...where he'll almost surely die. I know he actually survived but that was a nice moral loophole constructed by Christian.
This goes to show you the number one rule in life that most people have forgotten in today's age. Humans are ruled by other humans. Men of power always forget this one rule they have a heart they have blood and they are mortal. It is only by the illusion of power and consequence that these men live in a false sense of security. A knife a gun poison and these men of power become as vulnerable has the most lonely wretched person
I wouldn't say it's the rule. I'm sure there have been many men who had power who are great leaders and treated their men fairly. But there's always bad apples who let that power corrupt them or were just wicked to begin with.
no he was kindness and in the same time he was scary but he put his anger if he saw someone do mistake but unfortunately f. Christian doesn't like that 🤷♂️💔
If u treats u men like Human beings.then they,ll respect u,rigth.and u won't need Fear to Controll them.two kind's leaders one who sends them into battle.or one who leads them into battle.they fear him and he can trust no one.or they love him and respect him.(if God of heaven be for u who's can be against ya💪🐒💎
The mutineers often fail to form a coherent organization. They had a ship. They could have defected to France or Spain or Portugal or Dutch. Bligh made it sounded like there were no other sovereign states than Great Britain. Given how often Britain fought with France, it was more than likely their defections were rewarded and exploited for propaganda.
I believe you are referring to Dexter Fletcher. He was in several British movies, and played John Miller (I believe that was his name) in Band of Brothers. He mostly directs now. In fact he directed Rocket Man, and was the Executive Producer on Bohemian Rhapsody.
Those who have seen the original must testify to the difference between those who live the part and those who play it. Foolish actors who think that the louder they shout the better they are perform. Marlon brando the great.trevor howard.richard harris.
will its a mistake and f.christian pay it 😅 🤷♂️ the real story is the captain beg f. Christian to not do it but he was so stubborn , that story gives us a great lesson to be calm in life and control on our anger in sensitive moments
can I ask a question is very confused me about fletcher Christian is ? did he was married in England before he do the mutiny!🤔 I mean it's weird really something I can't understand it
it's sad that the island they went to in exile didn't turn out well, it's a great lesson, you can't be in exile, it's just not good for the future, this shit is the focal point of pure impulse, it's a failure , but yet, a great experiment, the lack of patience is evident as fuck, you can't seek paradise by pissing on your boss, that's why there is a code...for future generations, to put a captain, no matter how much of an asshole, into the chaos of pure hellish islanders wasn't what the captain deserved for his years of service, he just wanted to go back home safe and his men's minds clear for future missions. Failure on the captains part mostly though, Bligh lacked heart for sure, shitty with words to the point of insulting his crew, but the islanders tried to express that honor is important, these men tried no honor and history shows what it shows, hate in the form of passion is very dangerous, no one wins from those moments and the island they settled on has no future, it's a dying island in 2023
Not a patch on the 1962 epic featuring Marlon Brando. The characters are just too unbelievable, the actors too heavy handed, the script quite frankly cack. Even Hopkins, the thespian’s thespian, cannot savage such a ridiculous debacle. Mel Gibson hasn’t got the quiet authority that Brando exuded so effortlessly, and the portrayal of Christian is one-dimensional. To be fair it is not a disaster, I’d still watch it for free. The thing is, I have seen the 1962 Bounty nine times, yet I would still pay for a DVD. But this one? No way!
William Blight was a tyrant in this movie. He doesn't deserve respect. I don't know about the real story. If I was on the ship, I would have acted in the same way as Christian. No form of brutality should ever be accepted. He could have found different methods of discipline, besides cruelty. You don't have to be brutal to achieve discipline.
These were different times. Bligh was probably less brutal than the common royal navy officer and he was a great leader and navigator and saved the men loyal to him.
How would you feel if someone denied you basic human need, water? Glass of water. The men were not greedy. What kind of discipline is that kind of brutality?! That is called having or not having humanity. Its simple as that.
@@please12345ful They were crueler times, that's just how things were done back then. He was actually known for being more lenient than other commanders of his time.
This version is inferior. 1962 is the best. Trevor Howard. Hollywood has few good writers any more. They keep rehashing the same all tripe. Why did they remake Ben Hur? Not necessary. 1959 was perfect, Charlton Heston. Do not do remakes. Come up with original ideas. Next will be a remake of Catwomen of the Moon with a Woke attitude twist!
I marvel at the acting. Everyone was stellar, and most became actual movie stars. Great cast in a really excellent film.
@Albert Dibari Reeve didn't have quite the brashness of Gibson, so yeah, very interesting.
For me, three moments make it special: Fletcher screaming "I am in hell!" and "I'll run you through!" The shot of the Chief weeping when Fletcher takes his daughter away, and the tear falling down Bligh's cheek when he is vindicated.
Funny Roger Donaldson made such an excellent film, then went on to make Cocktail. Life's not fair, eh? teeheehee
This truly is a master piece. The acting the screen play you could get a real glimpse here of what that historic moment would of been like. Bounty
Would OF been like?
This truly is a masterpiece: the acting, the screenplay -you get a real glimpse of what this historic moment was like.
@@brianvector"Over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
"The Germans?"
"Forget it; he's rolling."
@@therealtruetwelfth798 the uniquely epoc soundtrack is a big part
0:40
"A previous first officer once tried to orchestrate a mutiny against me, I ate his liver with some coconuts and a nice rum."
It was Anthony Hopkins's acting in this movie that led him to be cast as Hannibal Lecter a few years after this movie was made.
You best fly to Pitcairn island now Mr Christian fly fly fly fly fly fly
lol !!!! Great line!!!
Christian was giving Bligh a chance to see reason and realize that the crew were very on edge with him and was warning him he's going too far with is punishments.
In the end, despite right or wrong, it was Bligh's lack of leadership skills that doomed everyone. A leader doesn't need to be liked, but he needs to be trusted.
That is rubbish, in fact, Bligh was quite the opposite in handing out punishment he punished far fewer that Cook in accordance with the standards of the day and Christian was in no position to comment upon Admiralty punishments.
@@andrewstackpool4911 I had the same takeaway from a maritime law lecture in undergrad. The prof indicated that the "romantic stories" of the mutiny are at odds with the records and crew accounts of Cook and Bligh. I have not read Cook's logs, but did read Bligh's. He was an incredibly competent seaman.
@@SeaMonkey137I read an accurate account of the bounty hoping to better understand the real cause of the mutiny and I still have mixed feelings. The mutiny is extremely nuanced with multiple contributors. Bligh is often vilified as people fail to account for the standards of the times (regarding punishment). No doubt that Bligh saved the lives of most people on that rowing boat.
My favorite Mutiny on the Bounty movie. Hopkins and Gibson are almost unhinged, the way one might expect desperate men in desperate times to behave.
They say the captain was autistic and Fletcher was bipolar. If that was the case, no wonder the mission went tits up.
@@tmclaug90Not bipolar but borderline personality disorder. Classic borderline rage exhibited here by Mel where he threatens to kill himself after he kills Bligh. Definitely quite the mix of mental disorders... tits up indeed!
@@Comewithmeifuwant2live aha. I have an associates degree in human behavior, so sometimes I like to swing a little bit above my weight when it comes to diagnosis lol.
@@tmclaug90In that case, I'm definitely not letting you away with that! Shocking altogether! Haha! I think it's fascinating though what we know about different mental illness' today, and the comparisons that are speculated about these two characters. I heard Bligh had Aspergers... can you imagine how the unintentional dismissive and "rude" nature of Bligh's disorder would appear so hurtful to someone with BPD? What a disastrous combo!
@@Comewithmeifuwant2live yea. I would love to be a fly on the wall for a day to observe these two interact. If it really was the extreme personality clash, than I feel sorry for the crew. They would have no idea haha, no recourse to try and alleviate the situation.
Definitely one of the best movie's out there.
Anthony Hopkins ,Mel Gibson, Liam Neeson, Daniel Day-Lewis how could you go wrong
Laurence Olivier, Edward Fox and Bernard Hill.
@@Bundy72 Don't forget a young Dexter Fletcher
Faultless. Absolutely faultless. A remarkable piece of cinema
I feel really sorry for Bligh. In that brief moment he’s being woken up, he seems like an innocent young boy being disturbed from a deep sleep.
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Just imagine for a second that your a young man onboard the Bounty that night, have almost no experience under your belt when it comes to sailing, and, despite your overall dislike for Captain Bligh, your neither loyal to him or the soon-to-be mutineers led by Fletcher Christian.
All of a sudden your woken up by a fellow shipmate in the middle of the night and your told that "Christian's taking the ship, are you with us or not"? The amount of shock, confusion, and fear that would go through your head would be astounding! Not only that, without the ability of hindsight, your faced with two options and neither one seems attractive:
1. You can stay loyal to Bligh and his fellow officers and be sent adrift with them into the open ocean with little food, no water, and no guarantee of rescue.
2. Stick with Christian and the other mutineers's and sail back to Tahiti with them on board the Bounty with the promise of living the rest of your life in paradise..... at the price of never seeing your family and home again and, with the ability of hindsight, either eventually getting killed by the island natives, die of starvation or disease, or be murdered by your fellow shipmates on Pitcairn Island.
The best possible scenario would be for the Royal Navy to eventually find you and a group of other mutineers's on the island of Tahiti a few years later and be brought back to the United Kingdom to possibly face trial for mutiny, which will likely end with execution.
Of those who were brought back to Great Britain, four were found not guilty and one, a midshipman who was then only 16 or 17 years old, was pardoned.
The couldn't foresee that outcome though.
I think the best possible thing to do in that situation is to state that you are against the mutiny and loyal to Bligh, but stay on the boat. Therefore, you live 1 or 2 years in tropical paradise (Tahiti) waiting for a british ship to arrive and take you home, and at the same time be acquitted because "you never took part in the mutiny", as confirmed by Bligh.
Great Scene! Wonderful acting! Ah, the times when there still were lots of good movies in cinemas..
So underrated, and full of brilliant performances.
It was interesting how many future Hollywood heavyweights were in this movie: Anthony Hopkins, Mel Gibson, Daniel Day Lewis, & Liam Neeson. If you had to get those guys to star together in another movie today the cost would be enormous. Historical note: the physical punishment that was meted out on The Bounty was actually less than that of other ships.
Ahaa! Your last sentence is very important.
The truth is they couldn't get round Cape Horn. The weather conditions were just terrible.
After more than a month of trying they had to finally give up.
And go all the way cross the Atlantic and the Indian Ocean to get to the Pacific and Tahiti.
It was getting on everybody's nerves.
The beautiful women of Tahiti also played a part.
Amazing movie!!! One of my very favorites from the 1980s. Best version of the story as well.
No the 1962 Marlon Brando version is the best period
I agree
@@JayInDecentyou're both wrong...ALL THREE FILMS ARE MASTERPIECES OF THEIR RESPECTIVE ERAS!
Liam Neeson is so badass.
Notable that the two most recent Bounty movies each had an Irish actor on his way up: Richard Harris in 1962, Liam Neeson in 1984.
I loved the W. Bligh. A character who is real gentleman.
I marvel at the yelling. Everyone was shouting, and most became loud movie stars. Great cast in a really noisy film.
As I have gotten older and served in the Army, I sympathized with both sides because I was the enlisted Joey and then became a team leader. Bligh was an asshole but he had to be- there was no police force or Royal Marines on board to keep the men in line, but were sailing thousands of miles away from home. Discipline had to be maintained. The crew lost their sense of discipline after Tahiti, and became every leaders nightmare. After being a team leader, I would side with Bligh because every fuckarooni thinks they could do a better job...until they actually are in charge.
Danny Ruiz I was in the Navy, an enlisted Joey. Had a chief that was reminiscent of capt Bligh. I could see something like this happening today, especially considering how divided the nation has become
They werent even regular Navy sailors they were merchant civilian sailors. The only military sailor there was Bligh. He screwed up by treating the men according to strict military discipline. That aint going to work with puke civilians.
@nonya biz The difference between merchant sailors and navy sailors wasn’t too big back then anyways, and many of them had served with Captain Cook previously.
@@nonyabiz9487Bollocks, with all due respect. He treated them quite leniently by contemporary standards.
@@Shcreamingreenyep majority of Bligh’s actions aren’t even by the standards of Royal Navy Discipline, he was practically more lenient, other officers would have flogged and hanged any officers or crewmen for lapses in discipline in the Royal Navy. Also three man eight hours watches were practically an innovation.
I cudnt agree more with the last comment. Excellent acting and one of the best films I have ever seen. It is so realistic
You can't operate a ship of any kind without your crew being behind you.
Really...Well here's a well educated man 🤔🤣🤣
@@philwilliams2505 it was not my intent to amuse you, I was in complete earnest.
1935,1962,1984...We want to see Another version of this thrilling true story!
The 1962 version just cannot be bettered. What is the point? It is perfect!
I enjoyed the 1962 version but I thought the bombastic score was truly dreadful. Some of the love stuff with the Tahitian chick made me cringe a bit. I dunno… fun to read about the fraught production of it though
Since almost every film released today is nigh-unwatchable filth, I'd rather they not.
@@Konoronn A TV Mini -Series would be a good occasion to Explore more psychological Dinamics between characters...
Intense is an understatement.
Some of the finest actors of their generation in this movie. Absolutely superb, from beginning to end. Hopkins in particular is superlative.
Hannibal the cannibal and crasy martin riggs from lethal weapon...these 2 are commanding the ship...
....and Oscar Schindler is one of the mutineers. Glad to learn he wasn’t hanged and ended up in Germany saving Jews.....
Mel Gibson looks so❤❤❤here and omg he is angry😤
This movie has taken a turn of irony as of 4/14/20.I too am invigorated during this particular scene😉
@Christopher Marlowe talking about trump claiming this was his favorite movie of all time.....He even cast himself as captain bligh thinking it was a good look...he obviously never seen it...
Does that help clarify??
@@76shogun1how is that ironic? The mutiny crew went and got themselves killed
Dude Mel’s stair is just cold.
Splendid acting!
Bligh was absolutely correct in his treatment. My view is that he should never have remained in Otaheite but gone surveying they local seas. He had no Marines to enforce discipline and his sailing master and Midshipman Christian proved useless. It was time to restore discipline aboard an undisciplined ship.
There's a lot of projected fluids in this movie
And zero social distancing : )
They should make a movie of PItcairn's Island and what happened after they arrived. It has not been done.
I agree with you 💯
0:39 - As far as I'm concerned, Hannibal Lecter was born with this scene. Look at his face, he looks demented.
I still can't believe Mel's performance was criticized as being "bland"
It mostly comes down to the writing. They didn’t give him much to work with. They wanted to explore both characters doing what they believed was right, but Hopkins and Gibson both said they believe Christian should’ve been portrayed as the villain. Under the crew’s circumstances, that probably would’ve been the better choice. It would’ve given Gibson more to work with.
Hollywood hates him regardless
In this movie neither Bligh nor Christian are the villain, both are more or less victims of unforeseen & unmanageable circumstances. And neither is a hero outside of those who retained their admiration for one or the other. Though both possessed heroic qualities, each was strong willed & basically divided by fate, choice & circumstance. Fletcher chose his path, Bligh maintained his course. Both were legendary for different reasons. Leave it at that!
If characters in movies only paid attention to the music they would know what was about to happen. WHAT VIOLENCE DOTH RISING VIOLINS PORTEND? TIS IMPENDING DOOM FOR ALL, DOTH NOT MAN KNOW?
Love that last scene
I went on the replica of the The Bounty made for the movie in Whangarei NZ when I was a little kid
In reality, the decision to go around the Horn was not Bligh's. It was the Royal Navy's decision. Bligh disobeyed orders by abandonding it after trying and taking a safer, longer route.
Didn't realise Liam Neeson was in this brilliant movie.
Young Liam and young Mel.
And young daniel d lewis
While the warning of the mutiny is historically inaccurate, to its credit it at least feels believable, given the history between William Bligh and Fletcher Christian, especially before and during the voyage of HMS Bounty. Plus it helps to heighten the drama and tension in the movie.
If they killed the captain and the loyalists instead of setting them adrift. Then they would of never made it back to England and the government would of just assumed that the ship was lost in a storm or sank when it hit a reef. If they found the remaining crew years later they could of just lied and said they lost half the crew to hostile natives or illness. Or they could of burned the ship and said it sank and only half the crew made it to dry land
Interesting. Makes you wonder if some of the other historical ship accounts we have might actually be a made-up story by the crew. Did Magellan really fall at the hands of natives at the battle of mactan?
Nay. Even if Bligh didn't survive to tell the story, the Royal Navy would've noticed the ship had not returned on schedule and would investigate. Mutiny was actually not uncommon. So, if the Admiralty did find the crew, they would still take them back for trial and question every surviving officer and crewman. Same would happen if the ship returned to England with the captain and half the crew missing.
Christian being a naval officer knew all this, and that his only other option was to hide.
They thought they did. No one could imagine that Bligh would navigate nearly 4000 across the Pacific with no charts and only his own memory of the waters.
A real good movie.
Mr Cole can't help you now....
Specially not with that dorky hairstyle!
HMS Bounty. His Majesty's Ship. A Ship of the Line, of the Royal Navy.
Where were the Royal Marines? Where was the Master-at-Arms?
The master at arms was Charles Churchill, the mutineer played by Liam Neeson in this movie. The Navy didn’t give Bligh a guard of Royal Marines because he was only a lieutenant, they were on a cutter instead of a full-sized warship, and it wasn’t a combat mission so they didn’t think a guard was necessary.
The settling on pitcairn would be an amazing film...wonder why it's not been made.
Because we don’t really know what happened, and the more interesting story is what happened on the Bounty.
Imagine what happened on Pitcairn it’s called poetic licence
Anyone predisposed to be a tyrant should pay close attention to this scene. You can only push people so far and when you push too far on the wrong day it will cost you dearly.
It's rare for someone to equal Hopkins in a scene and not be overshadowed, but Mel did it
This film is not a patch on the 1962 version, with Trevor Howard and Marlon Brando.
It doesn’t even come close.
From all of the movies, the historical accounts, documentaries I've seen, etc. etc. it's fairly obvious that Bligh was one of those kinds of people who could navigate his way around the solar system, but would never be able to get anyone to follow him.
This scene proves to me how much better the 1984 version is over the 60s version with Marlon Brando.
In the older film Christian was some starry eyed dreamer always on the right side of history, and Bligh was a one-dimensional sadistic tyrant with nary a redeeming quality. I never go for films in which one character is purely evil and one purely good; it seems dogmatic and unsophisticated.
In contrast, 1984 version shows Bligh and Christian both had good and bad qualities. In this scene, Christian is actually doing the honorable and loyal thing by warning his captain, and Bligh is defensive and obtuse. Yet in other scenes Bligh is steadfast and disciplined while Christian is a petulant whiner who forgoes his duty in favor of base pleasures. This is how real humans act; neither wholly good or bad, vulnerable to the same temptations as us all but also capable of moments of heroism.
This film also rightly honors Bligh’s miraculous journey to Timor, which-love him or hate him-is undisputedly one of the finest examples of seamanship in human history. His courage, leadership and abilities delivered on his promise to bring those loyal to him to safety.
1:17 Captain Bligh channeling Hannibal Lecter.
Gibbo yelliin real life😂❤
3:18 He shouts as if he was Hitler.
Everyone's so sweaty.
Mel Gibson pooks like he's one xanax away from a complete maniac episode
"There'll be no killing. We'll set him adrift." ...where he'll almost surely die. I know he actually survived but that was a nice moral loophole constructed by Christian.
The beautiful replica of HMS Bounty that was created for this movie was bought by somebody in Hong Kong and had disappeared from view.
Tbh if they didn’t commit mutiny then I would’ve
This goes to show you the number one rule in life that most people have forgotten in today's age. Humans are ruled by other humans.
Men of power always forget this one rule they have a heart they have blood and they are mortal. It is only by the illusion of power and consequence that these men live in a false sense of security.
A knife a gun poison and these men of power become as vulnerable has the most lonely wretched person
highlander723 ALL-MORTALs-WILL-BE-JUDGED - THE-LIVING - THE-DEAD + THE-LIVING-DEAD❤️❌😡
I wouldn't say it's the rule. I'm sure there have been many men who had power who are great leaders and treated their men fairly. But there's always bad apples who let that power corrupt them or were just wicked to begin with.
Bligh was a great sailor he just didn’t have the common touch w his men !!!
no he was kindness and in the same time he was scary but he put his anger if he saw someone do mistake but unfortunately f. Christian doesn't like that 🤷♂️💔
If u treats u men like Human beings.then they,ll respect u,rigth.and u won't need Fear to Controll them.two kind's leaders one who sends them into battle.or one who leads them into battle.they fear him and he can trust no one.or they love him and respect him.(if God of heaven be for u who's can be against ya💪🐒💎
The mutineers often fail to form a coherent organization. They had a ship. They could have defected to France or Spain or Portugal or Dutch. Bligh made it sounded like there were no other sovereign states than Great Britain. Given how often Britain fought with France, it was more than likely their defections were rewarded and exploited for propaganda.
3:52 There's even a guy in a cowboy hat.
That young kid with the rod Stewart hair cut .
I believe you are referring to Dexter Fletcher. He was in several British movies, and played John Miller (I believe that was his name) in Band of Brothers. He mostly directs now. In fact he directed Rocket Man, and was the Executive Producer on Bohemian Rhapsody.
@@TheGhostchaser8 no, he's talking about Pete-Lee Wilson (Purcell)
He should have started singing "I am sailing" the moment they put him on the boat :D
It's easy to see what went wrong the duration of stay on Tahiti and a series of Disagreements between Bligh and Christian
Can anyone explain to me how dangerous Cape Horn is. I've tried looking this up and not getting much.
Well below the equator. Variable winds. Rocks. /not ideal conditions.
WE GOT BLIGH!
in real life they didn't plan to go back around the horn because the cold weather would have killed the plants
King Théoden apparently once served aboard The Bounty.
All sailors fear the horn!
And for good damned reasons. The Strait of Magellan and the Drake Passage can be a real fucking bitch and three goddamned quarters to traverse!
Mel Gibson looks young . Liam Neeson. That guy who was in I'd and the titanic .
christopher james Bernard Hill.
I hope Mel Gibson & Liam Neeson make another film but together.
And daniel d lewis too
5:06 I love this historical detail because this is verbatim the convo Bligh and Christian had between themselves especially the “I am in hell” part
Bligh's cry of "Knock him down!" is also recorded to have been said or something to that effect.
I brividi
These Hollywood movies all take the side of the mutineers.
They're portraying Bligh as unreasonable and hard.
But he wasn't like that at all.
It's a British production. Not Hollywood.
Those who have seen the original must testify to the difference between those who live the part and those who play it. Foolish actors who think that the louder they shout the better they are perform. Marlon brando the great.trevor howard.richard harris.
& they followed the history to the T!!!!
will its a mistake and f.christian pay it 😅 🤷♂️ the real story is the captain beg f. Christian to not do it but he was so stubborn , that story gives us a great lesson to be calm in life and control on our anger in sensitive moments
my sons and girly the horn is the tip of south africa if havea map i loke at it lokes like a horn it has rough seas rough waves great whites
Actually it's the tip of South America.
Aw man they edited out the part where he said "You baaassstarrrrd!" what a rip off. Great scene though
And so is the Brando one
Bligh brought this on himself.
Dog said “F**k No!”
can I ask a question is very confused me about fletcher Christian is ? did he was married in England before he do the mutiny!🤔 I mean it's weird really something I can't understand it
They must want the V really bad
You don’t F with mad max and the guy from taken.
Too much headroom - you wouldn't have been able to stand upright below decks on the Bounty.
it's sad that the island they went to in exile didn't turn out well, it's a great lesson, you can't be in exile, it's just not good for the future, this shit is the focal point of pure impulse, it's a failure , but yet, a great experiment, the lack of patience is evident as fuck, you can't seek paradise by pissing on your boss, that's why there is a code...for future generations, to put a captain, no matter how much of an asshole, into the chaos of pure hellish islanders wasn't what the captain deserved for his years of service, he just wanted to go back home safe and his men's minds clear for future missions. Failure on the captains part mostly though, Bligh lacked heart for sure, shitty with words to the point of insulting his crew, but the islanders tried to express that honor is important, these men tried no honor and history shows what it shows, hate in the form of passion is very dangerous, no one wins from those moments and the island they settled on has no future, it's a dying island in 2023
This happened to me
Fletcher realizes he made a terrible mistake mistake later !!!!😢!!!
Not killing blight or the mutinity?
I know blight was terrible but Christian is technically the main villain of this movie right
No Bligh is the antagonist Christian is the protagonist
In my opinion Bligh was a positive character, Christian is a complex character in some way.
Not a patch on the 1962 epic featuring Marlon Brando. The characters are just too unbelievable, the actors too heavy handed, the script quite frankly cack. Even Hopkins, the thespian’s thespian, cannot savage such a ridiculous debacle. Mel Gibson hasn’t got the quiet authority that Brando exuded so effortlessly, and the portrayal of Christian is one-dimensional. To be fair it is not a disaster, I’d still watch it for free. The thing is, I have seen the 1962 Bounty nine times, yet I would still pay for a DVD. But this one? No way!
And the 62 version has some hilarious exchanges between Howard and Brando.
You've got to be kidding me. The 1962 version was by far the worst of the three and even the actors and director acknowledged that it sucked.
Why the edits.
Missed "MURDER"
*The mutiness kid with the gun looks like a Simpson*
That’s a guy from band of brothers and lock stock...
Dexter Fletcher
doesn't that smile at 1:17 make you want to punch him out?
METAL GEAR SOLID V THE PHANTOM PAIN
Blue was total sadist . I d like 2 of put him on the grating and given him a taste of it .
You're a blackhearted villain, sir, and so is your spelling.
@@Shcreamingreen lol
William Blight was a tyrant in this movie. He doesn't deserve respect. I don't know about the real story. If I was on the ship, I would have acted in the same way as Christian. No form of brutality should ever be accepted. He could have found different methods of discipline, besides cruelty. You don't have to be brutal to achieve discipline.
These were different times. Bligh was probably less brutal than the common royal navy officer and he was a great leader and navigator and saved the men loyal to him.
It's not fair to judge people according to modern standards that lived 300 years ago. He was a man of his time, no better or worse.
How would you feel if someone denied you basic human need, water? Glass of water. The men were not greedy. What kind of discipline is that kind of brutality?! That is called having or not having humanity. Its simple as that.
@@please12345ful They were crueler times, that's just how things were done back then. He was actually known for being more lenient than other commanders of his time.
@@please12345ful When did they get denied water
This version is inferior. 1962 is the best. Trevor Howard. Hollywood has few good writers any more. They keep rehashing the same all tripe. Why did they remake Ben Hur? Not necessary. 1959 was perfect, Charlton Heston. Do not do remakes. Come up with original ideas. Next will be a remake of Catwomen of the Moon with a Woke attitude twist!