"One must subject oneself to one's own tests that one is destined for independence and command, and do so at the right time. One must not avoid one's tests, although they constitute perhaps the most dangerous game one can play, and are in the end tests made only before ourselves and before no other judge."
There’s something to be said (probably not by me) about the choice to associate the term dependency with drug use, especially considering psychedelics fall in that category. As these practices are very much either a direct search for one’s path, or as a way of easing the pain of choosing to live a life which allows for independence
@@HigoWapsico There’s something to be said (probably also not by me) about the choice to associate the term dependency with its original use, especially considering human mind,body,soul falling in that category. As these are very much either a direct search for one’s path, or as a way of easing the pain of choosing to live a life which allows for independence of all these three from evil(whether destructive or own amusement) as the root cause.One must subject oneself to one's own tests that one is thus ultimately only destined for independence and command on these three altoeghter, and do so at the right time meditation prayer charity fasting etc religious and philosphical hardships also need be made. One must not avoid one's true own tests i.e against the innerself and also the outer real world, although they constitute perhaps the most dangerous game one can play during ones own lifetime, and are in the end tests made only before ourselves and before no other judge."
Damn! I have always thought of myself as independent in the most extreme way of expressing it. I'm glad to have had Nietzsche brought to my consciousness at this juncture! I have studied Zarathustrianism to understand the genesis of monotheism, and I look forward to seeing how this relates to Nietzsche's writings.
"Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn I respect everyone. I do not respect everyone's behaviors.
I like to conceive of it as the distinction between value and 'weight'. All people have equal value, but different weights. The smarter and more mature have more weight for me, although I do not respect them more than people who in my eyes act stupidly. I just attribute a greater significance to their actions, and less significance to the actions of those with less weight.
I found Nietzsche's critique of personal morality confused with fear earth shattering. The idea that one isn't necessarily good but rather it's fear that keep us in line.
"The idea that one isn't necessarily good but rather it's fear that keep us in line." Is this supposed to mean that people choose to not do bad things because of the fear of the repercussions ? If so, I think that is complete and utter bullshit as it comes down to natural behavior. The most natural is love, no matter what twisted / delusional idea you confuse it with. Love is pure and unconditional and the most natural way to act is to be kind. Everything else is simply selfharm which also unfortunately causes suffering and troublesome times for others. When you don't act in alignment with love, you are simply not yourself. Period. You are allowing yourself to belong to something that is created by humans. An idea that of: Justificaton for action, which is never the truth. Sure, you are allowed to justify whatever you do on things, however you are then always lying to yourself. More importantly you are preventing yourself from not feeling the best of what you can feel, by belonging to the unwanted energy. Love can never be anything else than unconditional. Everything that tries to pretend in the dark, is always brought to the light. PS: There IS no struggle to be human IF you choose to not believe in the struggle in the first place. IT'S YOUR OWN CHOICE
Makes sense, laws, for example, are a threat more than anything else. If you don't fear the consequences of your actions (being punished by the law), those rules don't exist for you, you're free to do whatever you want
It's something we know intuitively but ignore because it makes us uncomfortable. It's not like kids are doing the "right thing" without the possibility of their parents grounding them, spanking them etc. We are socially conditioned to see submissiveness as a virtue.
My favorite: “Whatever is done for love always occurs beyond good and evil.” One's great will like 'love' will makes you do something that makes don't care about good & evil. "When I found my why, I can bare any how."
@@ng9047 probably equivalent to: the more you learn the more you know that you don't know. that you'll never get satisfied of the 'truth'. It's only a Will to power in disguise as the Will to Truth
"I am against hierarchies..." Too bad. They exist, they are real, and always shall be. People are not equal. Competence hierarchies are a fundamental game theoretic reality that we cannot escape. They are not MERELY social constructions.
Hundreds of people ignored your comment, brushing it away as irrelevant; many in higher positions of authority. Were they all more competent and intelligent than you? Believing hierarchies arise on innate superiority is a coping mechanism.
I'm only vaguely cognizant of Nietzsche's teachings (though I will correct that post haste), but I am a person who spends a very great deal of time thinking about concepts, and morality is centralizing concept in society...one may say it's THE centralizing concept of society. And what I KNOW is that morality is a socially and temporally fickle thing...nothing to base truth or certainty upon at all. As morality is the centralizing concept of society, it can then be understood that morality is something that is meant to sculpt the human mind towards a pro-social way of thinking. But truth lies far beyond the normative way of thinking. I have found that ANY moral concept is dependent upon it's social concept. Murder, thievery, enslavement, genocide....whatever moral one wishes to examine is RELATIVE, and therefore fluid within a social understanding. What I mean here is to say that morals are a convenience for people to think that whatever they are doing is right. That's morality in a nutshell. Now, how do we go beyond this and set up a truly pragmatic way of moving forward, because one person or group's genocide is rightful warfare to another? I mean here that in the 'world' there is always dominance and submission...that is an ever-present truth...but I proclaim that we are spiritual beings who can move beyond 'the world,' and therefore we can move beyond a 'dog eat dog' mentality, but ONLY when we acknowledge what the world is and consciously seek to transcend it.
i also disagree with the master -slave terms as well as the virtues cited, but i kinda agree on he concept. Though maybe the culture he lived in may induce Biases and really favored virtues associated to war like heroism sacrifice and strengh and grit and even nationalism. I would prefer to use "Locus of control " or the Actor vs victim dichotomy without necessarily applying hiearchies to it. We could even strectch it , and make a trichotomy of Taleb's concept of antifragility opposed to robustness and fragility (which I find very neat). I noticed that self actualized persons have a very internal locus of control, meaning they never blame the outside world and take responsability for failures. They rise above problems, they are often more independant and self reliant. These men and womens are creating without feeling victimized seing failure as improvement pattern and therefore often end up creating business or creative work . I think that is what Nietzsche meant by "What does not kill you makes you stronger " you channel is really stirring my mind ^^ i love it.
Whilst I understand the moralistic milieu in which Nietzsche fostered his theories, his understanding of life must have been influenced by the inordinate amount of chronic illness he experienced, particularly in his approach to “Amor fati”, which I feel confident he would bristle at vehemently, were anyone to say is “fundamentally” anything.. including, but particularly, Christian, though few followers of the faith could likely fathom the similarities. Growing up in the Southern US, and being by birth Protestant, and through life, a protesting one, the preformed image of Nietzsche as an AntiChrist prefigurement has yielded itself to understanding that the vast majority of those who identify themselves as followers of Christ, simply are not prepared for more than a Sunday service encounter for the majority of our lives. His battles with recurring illnesses and loss of health that cut short his academic life, and ultimately his actual one, lended him to a version of circumspection and reflection, none take on through individual choice, unless we are more susceptible to masochism than most. Thanks for presenting him in a positive light, TQM. My objective self is happy to gain a better understanding of him, rather than a centuries old assessment from a challenged Establishment mentality that was possibly even more inherently argumentative than he! Blessings 🤍
@@metamorphosis_77 I’m honored 💚but the thanks belong to the open hearts and minds, such as your own, that challenge me to actually Be in Christ, rather than simply saying, I am. Blessings 🌷
Thank you, so much, for this excellent presentation of one of my favorite thinkers. Your excellent interpretation of the master's work is truly appreciated.
I completely agree with you on the terminologies that Support the Hierarchy and Underclass mentality. It’s an unfortunate reality, as long as we insist upon Political Solutions and a System of governance to Ensure Equal Outcomes, regardless of the declared intentions of the politically powerful, who continue to Exempt themselves from their own Solutions. So much good information here.. but ultimately.. it’s our own utilization of it that ends up defining our path. Thanks 🙏.
Perfect. Guess this “Feeling” is not new, or understood…even after examination over time by many. The Ideas remain and repeat. I’m starting to think that, looking clearly at one’s own life/path past and future, is the Work of this insanity we call, existence. I keep walking into the Hurricane, as Head on is the best way to move forward in a strong current.
Is head on really always the best way? Think of sailing... Build a boat and let the wind take you up current, no fighting required... In Taoist philosophy, going with the flow and being at ease is the entire point... Take what is, but then leverage it instead of living in constant struggle. Not to say you should never challenge yourself or take on difficult tasks, but find the way you can accomplish them with ease and be peaceful and joyous in the process. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but I have found this perspective to be absolutely invaluable in my own life. It brings me to a much happier place, even when I'm striving to build myself in all kinds of different ways. These are of course also ideas that have pervaded history, as this philosophy was around before the Bible, teaching us the more simple ways of recognizing truth. I still love listening to audio versions of the Tao De Ching... In fact, I'm going to put one on now 😁
Thank you. Very valid points, indeed. I need to work on a less resistant style. Being a solitary traveler, without the opportunity for fluid exchanges of ideas, definitely has its drawbacks. I appreciate the comment. Turning my vessel under high seas has often brought me to capsize. Nice mental exercise. Thanks again.
To know does not predicate to suffer. It is our chose whether to suffer or not. That is the supremacy of the aware being...we can be whatever we imagine ourselves to be. That is the way that I interpret the teachings that I hear here. To know is supremacy.
I've got the full audiobook on my channel. Some people prefer to visualize when grappling with the arguments of Nietzsche. Listening to an audiobook can help to do that. =)
Thank you for this. I recognize the actor Armand Assante as Nietzsche. I had to look it up. ' When Nietzsche Wept' A great actor. I'll have to watch his performance. A great video as usual ❤
Morality causes us to approach existence from a perspective that both ourselves and reality is somehow imperfect, but what if we approached it from the perspective that everything is already perfect?
Nietzsche’s sister, Elisabeth, had close ties with the Nazis and she promoted Nietzsche’s works to them after his death. The Nazis admired Nietzsche, but they also manipulated his words in order to promote their own propaganda. The Ubermensch was promoted as an idea that could fit into the Aryan race narrative and the will to power was associated with authoritarianism. Nietzsche never endeavored to become part of such movements.
"One must subject oneself to one's own tests that one is destined for independence and command, and do so at the right time. One must not avoid one's tests, although they constitute perhaps the most dangerous game one can play, and are in the end tests made only before ourselves and before no other judge."
There’s something to be said (probably not by me) about the choice to associate the term dependency with drug use, especially considering psychedelics fall in that category. As these practices are very much either a direct search for one’s path, or as a way of easing the pain of choosing to live a life which allows for independence
@@HigoWapsico There’s something to be said (probably also not by me) about the choice to associate the term dependency with its original use, especially considering human mind,body,soul falling in that category. As these are very much either a direct search for one’s path, or as a way of easing the pain of choosing to live a life which allows for independence of all these three from evil(whether destructive or own amusement) as the root cause.One must subject oneself to one's own tests that one is thus ultimately only destined for independence and command on these three altoeghter, and do so at the right time meditation prayer charity fasting etc religious and philosphical hardships also need be made. One must not avoid one's true own tests i.e against the innerself and also the outer real world, although they constitute perhaps the most dangerous game one can play during ones own lifetime, and are in the end tests made only before ourselves and before no other judge."
Damn! I have always thought of myself as independent in the most extreme way of expressing it. I'm glad to have had Nietzsche brought to my consciousness at this juncture!
I have studied Zarathustrianism to understand the genesis of monotheism, and I look forward to seeing how this relates to Nietzsche's writings.
"Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free."
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
I respect everyone. I do not respect everyone's behaviors.
I love this quote. Equality is a challenge can't argue with that.
I like to conceive of it as the distinction between value and 'weight'. All people have equal value, but different weights. The smarter and more mature have more weight for me, although I do not respect them more than people who in my eyes act stupidly. I just attribute a greater significance to their actions, and less significance to the actions of those with less weight.
@@DelFlo I enjoyed that analogy :)
Respect is earned, it isn`t given away
anything that is free isn`t valueable, scarcity creates value
@Jeff Jones Bravo for the philosphical Ultra Paradox beautifully summed up.
I found Nietzsche's critique of personal morality confused with fear earth shattering. The idea that one isn't necessarily good but rather it's fear that keep us in line.
"The idea that one isn't necessarily good but rather it's fear that keep us in line."
Is this supposed to mean that people choose to not do bad things because of the fear of the repercussions ?
If so, I think that is complete and utter bullshit as it comes down to natural behavior.
The most natural is love, no matter what twisted / delusional idea you confuse it with.
Love is pure and unconditional and the most natural way to act is to be kind.
Everything else is simply selfharm which also unfortunately causes suffering and troublesome times for others.
When you don't act in alignment with love, you are simply not yourself. Period.
You are allowing yourself to belong to something that is created by humans.
An idea that of: Justificaton for action, which is never the truth.
Sure, you are allowed to justify whatever you do on things, however you are then always lying to yourself.
More importantly you are preventing yourself from not feeling the best of what you can feel, by belonging to the unwanted energy.
Love can never be anything else than unconditional.
Everything that tries to pretend in the dark, is always brought to the light.
PS: There IS no struggle to be human IF you choose to not believe in the struggle in the first place.
IT'S YOUR OWN CHOICE
Makes sense, laws, for example, are a threat more than anything else. If you don't fear the consequences of your actions (being punished by the law), those rules don't exist for you, you're free to do whatever you want
It's something we know intuitively but ignore because it makes us uncomfortable. It's not like kids are doing the "right thing" without the possibility of their parents grounding them, spanking them etc. We are socially conditioned to see submissiveness as a virtue.
Your accent meshes very well with Nietzsche's philosophy.
My favorite: “Whatever is done for love always occurs beyond good and evil.”
One's great will like 'love' will makes you do something that makes don't care about good & evil.
"When I found my why, I can bare any how."
“It is terrible to die of thirst on the sea. Does your truth have to be so salty that it can no longer even-quench thirst?”
@@ng9047 probably equivalent to: the more you learn the more you know that you don't know. that you'll never get satisfied of the 'truth'. It's only a Will to power in disguise as the Will to Truth
@@ng9047 you're welcome friend
"I am against hierarchies..."
Too bad. They exist, they are real, and always shall be. People are not equal. Competence hierarchies are a fundamental game theoretic reality that we cannot escape. They are not MERELY social constructions.
Hundreds of people ignored your comment, brushing it away as irrelevant; many in higher positions of authority. Were they all more competent and intelligent than you? Believing hierarchies arise on innate superiority is a coping mechanism.
I'm only vaguely cognizant of Nietzsche's teachings (though I will correct that post haste), but I am a person who spends a very great deal of time thinking about concepts, and morality is centralizing concept in society...one may say it's THE centralizing concept of society. And what I KNOW is that morality is a socially and temporally fickle thing...nothing to base truth or certainty upon at all. As morality is the centralizing concept of society, it can then be understood that morality is something that is meant to sculpt the human mind towards a pro-social way of thinking. But truth lies far beyond the normative way of thinking.
I have found that ANY moral concept is dependent upon it's social concept. Murder, thievery, enslavement, genocide....whatever moral one wishes to examine is RELATIVE, and therefore fluid within a social understanding. What I mean here is to say that morals are a convenience for people to think that whatever they are doing is right. That's morality in a nutshell.
Now, how do we go beyond this and set up a truly pragmatic way of moving forward, because one person or group's genocide is rightful warfare to another? I mean here that in the 'world' there is always dominance and submission...that is an ever-present truth...but I proclaim that we are spiritual beings who can move beyond 'the world,' and therefore we can move beyond a 'dog eat dog' mentality, but ONLY when we acknowledge what the world is and consciously seek to transcend it.
All people are unique. But we are not all equal. There is a big difference.
We ought to treat others as equals despite our differences.
@@metamorphosis_77 That is true, but it's more a matter of personal honour and the mark of a good man, rather than a fixed reality.
Thank you for the effort. Keep it up.
i also disagree with the master -slave terms as well as the virtues cited, but i kinda agree on he concept. Though maybe the culture he lived in may induce Biases and really favored virtues associated to war like heroism sacrifice and strengh and grit and even nationalism.
I would prefer to use "Locus of control " or the Actor vs victim dichotomy without necessarily applying hiearchies to it. We could even strectch it , and make a trichotomy of Taleb's concept of antifragility opposed to robustness and fragility
(which I find very neat).
I noticed that self actualized persons have a very internal locus of control, meaning they never blame the outside world and take responsability for failures. They rise above problems, they are often more independant and self reliant.
These men and womens are creating without feeling victimized seing failure as improvement pattern and therefore often end up creating business or creative work .
I think that is what Nietzsche meant by "What does not kill you makes you stronger "
you channel is really stirring my mind ^^ i love it.
loved the comment :)
Whilst I understand the moralistic milieu in which Nietzsche fostered his theories, his understanding of life must have been influenced by the inordinate amount of chronic illness he experienced, particularly in his approach to “Amor fati”, which I feel confident he would bristle at vehemently, were anyone to say is “fundamentally” anything.. including, but particularly, Christian, though few followers of the faith could likely fathom the similarities.
Growing up in the Southern US, and being by birth Protestant, and through life, a protesting one, the preformed image of Nietzsche as an AntiChrist prefigurement has yielded itself to understanding that the vast majority of those who identify themselves as followers of Christ, simply are not prepared for more than a Sunday service encounter for the majority of our lives.
His battles with recurring illnesses and loss of health that cut short his academic life, and ultimately his actual one, lended him to a version of circumspection and reflection, none take on through individual choice, unless we are more susceptible to masochism than most.
Thanks for presenting him in a positive light, TQM. My objective self is happy to gain a better understanding of him, rather than a centuries old assessment from a challenged Establishment mentality that was possibly even more inherently argumentative than he!
Blessings 🤍
Such a beautiful and well-articulated comment. Thank you!
@@metamorphosis_77
I’m honored 💚but the thanks belong to the open hearts and minds, such as your own, that challenge me to actually Be in Christ, rather than simply saying, I am.
Blessings 🌷
Thank you for your thoughts. Your channel is refreshing to me. It also pushes me to think from alternative perspectives. I appreciate your work.
Dude is an expert on Neiche
Thank you, so much, for this excellent presentation of one of my favorite thinkers. Your excellent interpretation of the master's work is truly appreciated.
Haven't watched yet but the brain is already salivating for this food for thought! I know this happens to many that come here. Enjoy! I will for sure.
It will quench your thirst
I really appreciate the subjects you explore and how you present them, thank you
Thank you :)
Your voice makes my ears smile...
happy to know :)
I completely agree with you on the terminologies that Support the Hierarchy and Underclass mentality. It’s an unfortunate reality, as long as we insist upon Political Solutions and a System of governance to Ensure Equal Outcomes, regardless of the declared intentions of the politically powerful, who continue to Exempt themselves from their own Solutions.
So much good information here.. but ultimately.. it’s our own utilization of it that ends up defining our path.
Thanks 🙏.
right on time👌
:)
Perfect. Guess this “Feeling” is not new, or understood…even after examination over time by many. The Ideas remain and repeat. I’m starting to think that, looking clearly at one’s own life/path past and future, is the Work of this insanity we call, existence. I keep walking into the Hurricane, as Head on is the best way to move forward in a strong current.
Is head on really always the best way?
Think of sailing...
Build a boat and let the wind take you up current, no fighting required...
In Taoist philosophy, going with the flow and being at ease is the entire point...
Take what is, but then leverage it instead of living in constant struggle.
Not to say you should never challenge yourself or take on difficult tasks, but find the way you can accomplish them with ease and be peaceful and joyous in the process.
I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but I have found this perspective to be absolutely invaluable in my own life.
It brings me to a much happier place, even when I'm striving to build myself in all kinds of different ways.
These are of course also ideas that have pervaded history, as this philosophy was around before the Bible, teaching us the more simple ways of recognizing truth.
I still love listening to audio versions of the Tao De Ching...
In fact, I'm going to put one on now 😁
Thank you. Very valid points, indeed. I need to work on a less resistant style. Being a solitary traveler, without the opportunity for fluid exchanges of ideas, definitely has its drawbacks. I appreciate the comment. Turning my vessel under high seas has often brought me to capsize. Nice mental exercise. Thanks again.
You state you are against 'Hierarchy', ermm what is a family?
a tribe
Why does YT keep recommending me these? This is too much for my half brain cell
Haha you can manage it
To know does not predicate to suffer. It is our chose whether to suffer or not. That is the supremacy of the aware being...we can be whatever we imagine ourselves to be. That is the way that I interpret the teachings that I hear here.
To know is supremacy.
Of course to understand this, one must understand that there is something beyond the petty machinations of the stupid self.
Kanye would love this.
I've got the full audiobook on my channel. Some people prefer to visualize when grappling with the arguments of Nietzsche. Listening to an audiobook can help to do that. =)
V nice v gud 👍
Lost me by denying value in hierarchies.
Thank you for this. I recognize the actor Armand Assante as Nietzsche. I had to look it up.
' When Nietzsche Wept'
A great actor. I'll have to watch his performance.
A great video as usual ❤
Morality causes us to approach existence from a perspective that both ourselves and reality is somehow imperfect, but what if we approached it from the perspective that everything is already perfect?
I can do nothing more than to speak of what we ALL already know is true.
The new philosophers is approaching!
Let them come
I hope so. Philosophers nowadays are lame. We need a new wave of thinkers that have balls.
Are his books hard to read?
I’m just layman
A bit, but if you read slowly you will understand.
Commenting for the Al Gore rhythm
Really good explanation of such a dense book
Why are you against hierarchies and polarization?
It's like asking me why do I prefer peace instead of war.
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Beyond good and evil comes from experience not from reading theories.
reading cultivates morality
@@metamorphosis_77 humanity knew morality before knowing how to read and write.
Yyyy aaaa yyyyy aaaa
Apparently hitler was a big fan of Nietzsche, so keep that in mind
Nietzsche’s sister, Elisabeth, had close ties with the Nazis and she promoted Nietzsche’s works to them after his death. The Nazis admired Nietzsche, but they also manipulated his words in order to promote their own propaganda. The Ubermensch was promoted as an idea that could fit into the Aryan race narrative and the will to power was associated with authoritarianism. Nietzsche never endeavored to become part of such movements.
Nietzsche spoke against antisemitism.