@@Kirbytriedtoeatme well, i found certain similarities with the characters. Like for example: Human Meggy acts like Leafy (both are cinical and sometimes bossy) Tari acts like Bubble (both are sensible kind) Melony acts like Rocky (both are cutefull useless) And Saiko acts like Fanny (both tend to hate everyone or are always angry) And the SMG4 OCs where introduced between 2017 and 2018 (While cool inkling got murdered and revived into a "Leafy coded" human), wich in those years BFB started (and didnt split yet)
The underdevelopment of Tari is bizarre to me. They have the perfect blueprint to her character development from meta runner already. Start off weak and scared, but slowly start getting more brave and fierce. It’s disappointing because thats what I feel made the meta runner show so great.
They really just created Tari in SMG4 to promote Meta Runner, but after Western Spaghetti, she's just there or missing at all. She needs an arc to add on to her or at least an episode.
I really hope Smg4 sees these videos and tries to understand how people feel. Being a RUclipsr is hard work but he should take time for his characters and story. I do believe tari and Meggy deserve more character development and spotlight, and smg4 that character should be back to caring about his friends instead of memes and views. I agree with the points in this video
Classic Mario was blissfully unaware of the chaos he was causing and actually tried to fix things if he realized his behavior was hurting his friends. Modern Mario actively seeks out trouble and tries to make people mad. And Meggy went from a smart but caring and emotionally complex character to a nag and a Mary Sue, and now she's just a punching bag who gets hurt or killed in almost every episode she's in for basically no reason.
I literally hate them now, SMG4 is no different than quality drop in Family Guy, since the Glitch team using it as a idea dump and not an actual channel.
It wasn’t even for copyright issues. SMG4 had been going on for years (along with other gmod RUclipsrs such as AlexSpider) without even a single warning from Nintendo, they probably did it so that they could sell official merch of Meggy, along with the other character redesigns
I've grown up with SMG4 for years, as early as who let the chomp out and the 1st freddy's spaghettiria. I've loved the series and all the characters and its up their with the list of one of my biggest series hyperfixations. I've loved the many episodes of the series. Even through the many changes everyone hated on like human meggy, meggy having an actual normal voice, SMG4 having lore, SMG4 no longer looking like a bootleg mario recolor, and other redesigns i still loved the series and didn't really have problems with it (other than boopkins 2022 redesign looking kinda weird.) That being said though I am having problems with the more recent SMG4 episodes, but not because of the writing actually, my problem is what's happened with certain characters. Some characters I personally have no problem with like Mario, Luigi, Karen, SMG3, Bob, or Fishy boopkins but other characters I have quite a bit of issues with. SMG4 (the character): I already talked about it this in one of your other videos so i'll cut the crap and make it short, he's become a guy desperately obsessed with views even after the perfectionist arc, I feel like he should be back to the voice of reason (compared to mario that is) but is a youtuber who loves memes kinda like how he was in videos before the perfectionist arc Meggy: She doesn't really do much, in videos after the new castle was finally built its like they forgot about her whole thing of wanting to be a coach to toughen people up. I have no problem with the leggy stuff and its silly how meggy just becomes a goomba when she's scared but that being said meggy doesn't even feel tough anymore, remember when meggy was not afraid to put up a fight, like in the cursed tape episode where meggy was not afraid to take down phillip considering she knows the stuff they've been through before, what happened to that? it feels like the only time meggy has an important role anymore is in the arc episodes and movies. Shroomy: Remember when shroomy was known as the boy scout who could craft weapons? what happened to that guy? cuz now in videos he only exists just to be kenny from south park. Swag & Chris: I just want them to be used slightly more, just slightly because i don't want them to be the SMG4 equivalent of SML's brooklyn T. Guy where they use them in every single episode like they rely on only them. Melony and Saiko: Very rarely ever used anymore, which is sad to see because they were major characters. One ting that bothers me is that in the puzzlevision livestream countdown, melony and saiko appear in the clips despite the fact that they never appeared ANYWHERE in the puzzlevision takeover arc, not even in the puzzlevision movie so why even bother putting them in the countdown stream if they weren't even in those episodes. At this rate I feel like they should eventually have melony die so she can finally be with axol again who is most likely not returning since he friggin' died Bowser: They only ever bring him in every once in a blue moon and even then he's just used as a background character with 5 seconds of screentime. I loved bowser and his dumbass antics. Waluigi and Wario: almost never used anymore, they could make potential episode villains really like they used to (example: the big bad bully episode) Tari: Not really used that much which is a shame because I love tari, she's one of my favorite characters in the whole series and is one of the only remaining leftover pieces of meta runner (RIP Meta Runner) Clench was also such a strange idea to me but i can't really complain much about him considering he isn't used much since he is part of tari, and tari isn't used that much either. The anti cast: once again almost never used, I never really cared much for whimpu but I love Rob, remember when he had more major roles and his own dedicated episode (the corn trip) which was focused on rob and bob (which is another thing i like abou the series when there are episodes focused on the dynamics of other characters like karen and swag in the mcdonalds ice cream machine episode). Then of course we have belle not only is it sad she's almost never used since she is the only other remaining leftover piece of meta runner, but her model is in desperate need of an upgrade, it needs to be upgraded to have a revamped look like with tari and also because belle's ragdoll is harder to use than Tari's modern model is because Belle still has the same old model since 2020, plus i feel like she could have a role in the (rare) tari centered episodes. Kaizo: I almost forgot to include him in this list of rarely used characters, which should really say something. On a more positive note I love when they use fanmodels like scout meggy or revamped college meggy or leggy. they give credit, it allows for fans model edits to be noticed (as mentioned by MediExcalibur2012, one of the people who works on SMG4) and it opened my eyes to the steam workshop world of SMG4 fanmade model edits where you can find lots of cool edits of the smg4 character models like emo meggy, cat tari, medic tari, halloween versions of meggy, bob, and boopkins, and more I didn't mean to write out an entire fucking college essay in this one comment section but I deeply care about the SMG4 series and really wanted to voice my concerns with the series. I might delete this comment eventually and just made an entire commentary video instead and also thanking you for giving me the motivation and inspiration to make the video but we'll see how things turn out.
Am I the only one who feels like Belle had a lot of potential while Tari was going through her development arc? (Western Spaghetti) What if she ALSO found out about the simulation and encouraged Tari to act!? Such wasted potential…
I'd say that Smg4 didn't fix Meggy but made her worse. Ever since the It's Gotta Be Perfect Movie. Meggys character has been on a great downfall. I'd say she's slowly becoming the new Peach. She's literally a bitch to Mario if he does so much as breathe, She gets triggered at the most littlest things, and she just gets pissed when something doesn't go her way. I don't know why her character was changed to be such a bratty and short tempered person. She was a better character back then.
The last time she actually even had a role was in Western Spaghetti and that’s like the only time she was an interesting and likeable character in the modern era. She’s quite literally just there right after that and stands in the background eating up screen time while also having nothing to do with the video. And honestly that was kind of it. I thought they did fix her a little bit but she still has her issues and doesn’t really have much to do. Tari and Saiko are just boring and have nothing to make the videos more interesting, as per usual. And I just hate the characterization of SMG4 and 3 now because SMG4 is a self centered prick that is just a self insert and only cares for himself. He was a more likeable character because he actually wasn’t just a self insert. Now, that’s all he is and he just does the most insane shit and doesn’t care that much that he destroyed Peach’s castle and turned her into a monster. As for SMG3, he’s just a femboy now or something idk. He’s just lame
I feel that SMG4 also kinda underuses the Classic Characters like Peach and Bowser. They need to be more involved again instead of being quick gags. Who knows maybe Peach could get character development. It sucks that even after the T Pose Virus where she saves everyone, now she was just left to rot and no one cared about her. Even people forgot about her existence. Which sucks because she’s literally a Classic SMG4 Character. Bowser barely ever shows up either!
They completely removed Peach from the series and that kinda pisses me off, she could’ve been a straight woman character like Meggy sort of used to be. Or heck, give her a mini arc where after her castle is destroyed she slowly learns to appreciate the crew more and maybe even joins them more on adventures.
I remeber like 2 years ago when smg4 characters all felt more like they were friends and are more funny and likable instead of the modern boring anoying personalitys..
Unfortunately we’ve hit a dilemma here, Luke/Whoever is the head of SMG4, has been putting a lack of personality into their characters and has been changing personalities and been reusing characters and not giving other characters a chance in the spotlight. yes, im talking about the characters SMG4 and Meggy, the most overused characters in the show. Meggy feels like a Mario now, a character basically in every single episode now. When will we EVER get an episode where SMG4, Mario, and Meggy aren’t present. Im sure There could be a lot of ideas, like We have characters like, Luigi, SMG3 (also kinda overused), Bob (cringe), Boopkins (also kinda cringe), Tari, Melony, Saiko, Swag, Chris, Karen, + More. surely we can do something with these characters… right? Unfortunately SMG4 isn’t exactly listening to his fans, is he? Ever since the episode, The Day My Arm Went Psycho, there has been a drastic increase in drama in the SMG4 community… Hopefully all of this will resolve maybe… and possibly get better?
Also, SMG4 has a big problem of giving characters development, and then COMPLETELY ruining that development. So 90% of Character development just gets left behind in the dust, LIKE IT NEVER EVEN HAPPENED… This kinda goes with Tari’s Character Development. They quote on quote “Tried” to make her not so scared. But In reality, They just completely disregarded this character development. So videos like SMG4: Mario’s Tunnel of Doom, where Meggy Coaches Tari and Luigi to not be scared, this character development goes to waste, and arguably, so does this video. THERES 0 POINT IN MAKING VIDEOS WITH CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IF YOU’RE JUST GONNA FORGET IT EVEN HAPPENED! Tari is one of if not my favorite SMG4 character, and It slightly hurts to see this happen. Hopefully maybe one day he’ll finally put all his Character development into his characters, and Not forget that HE HAS MORE CHARACTERS THAN JUST MARIO, SMG4, SMG3, AND MEGGY. THIS IS ALL THE CHARACTERS WE SEE IN REGULAR EPISODES, THESE OTHER CHARACTERS ARE JUST LEFT IN THE DUST, FOR NO REASON. IF NOT, JUST INCLUDE ALL MAIN CHARACTERS IN EACH EPISODE, AT LEAST MAKE THEM SAY 1 WORD. NOT JUST FORGET THEY EXIST, AND HAVE THEM NOT HAVE A PURPOSE OF THEM BEING THERE… im sorry im over reacting, but it’s kinda true. The next SMG4 episode will probably be about this Quote on quote “Meme Factory” for Tourism for the Showgrounds. And will probably include SMG4, and SMG3, and Meggy, and Mario. But unknown if any OTHER characters will appear. Considering, These 4 Characters basically appear in every single episode by now. Smg3 is kinda a stretch, but he kinda does appear in every single episode now. Its a shame we get to ONLY SEE THESE 4 CHARACTERS. Can we at least see more?
I’m so glad that many people are now realize the decline in quality when it comes to characters. The cast now just gets sidelined after they have an arc with them. Think about it. When was the last time Rob was relevant?
For me the 3 main problems are: 1. The Nintendo purge: While smg4 is fair use, Nintendo doesn’t care and if they wanted they could get Luke pretty much executed. Luke probably knows this, and it’s why old characters like bowser or toad disappeared, which is fine, but it has removed a lot of soul from smg4 2. Ass writing: it’s just bad, Meggy gets tortured for a month strait and then goes: “I wIsH I CoUlD haVe BeeN yOUr FriEnd” It’s just one example, but it represents the lack of awareness in the writing, like they didn’t re-read the script before moving forward. Aswell now when they introduce a new character I often go “wow he’s annoying, I hope he doesn’t stick around” and the arcs are just badly written ever since genesis, when they fumbled the axol and melony ship, combined with the wasted potential; saiko is screaming for some character development and they just keep developing meggy. 3. The family-friendlyness: Now while smg4 never had that much swearing, it’s still crazy how much they’ve toned it down. And it’s probably not Luke or Kevin’s fault but RUclips; because at the end of the day, they have to eat. And I’m not saying change is bad, if smg4 hadn’t changed we’d all be complaining about it, but it could have been changed differently. (Btw smg4 was brain rot for zoomers just the gen alpha humor could be written better)
Honestly SMG4 has been on a downward spiral, ever since It's gotta be perfect. New SMG4 isn't awful or anything, it's just not even close to the old days. I also heard two things... I heard that people say Glitch is better these days and that SMG4 became "brainrot". First of all, no the fuck is not. I don't like either Digital Circus or Murder Drones, besides like an episode or two. Second of all, there's many arguments you could make that SMG4 isn't brainrot nowadays. Matter of fact, I would go as far as to say it's always been brainrot, but it used to be in a good kind of way. When you think about it, SMG4 in the old days was stupid memes, stupid jokes that was random nonsense at times, which was still hilarious btw. Now, I feel like the team is trying too hard to focus on a plot. Idk if that's the best way to explain it though.
Ever since the redesigns in 2022, everything has just gone downhill. I mean Puzzlevision was good but SMG4 is basically a different person to his original Mario-recolour self. Also I really miss Bowser and Toad, and completely killing off Peach was a crap decision. Also bring back the old Mario-recolours like X and FM!
Smg4 is used to be my personal favorite when he was making those old blooper videos or when Mario gets in random games and all,me and my friends were watching him a lot, but now he has just became a brain rot in my opinion, i don't like how almost all of them just changed, in fact I hate it, and I stopped watching SMG4, maybe if they get some kind of redemption and get back to old videos, maybe I would watch him again but I doubt that this will ever happend
He went from being the awkward character that some people felt uncomfortable around to only liking anime and nothing else, and now he's just pointless and just follows Bob around.
Look, i know Mario is annoying, but sometimes he cares, like when he thought luigi died in Mario SAW, or is that an old episode? Anyways, yeah, mario is now annoying, to be fair he was annoying in the past aswell, but it was mixed wuth dumbness that it was somewhat funny Sadly, hes just more annoying now
I have always loved Mario as a character i never hated the character or found him annoing since he always care about his friends as we saw in every arc. He is even the funniest out of all
@@thesonichero2619 and some shows sometimes change adding more story and development so the characters become the best version of themselves smg4 on the other hand is just a dumb Mario adventure turned into characters fighting gods psychopaths and Nintendo itself
new smg4 is really bad in my opinion,i dont like the fact that he is the most important character,in the old videos it was just mario being a stoopid fat italian,now its just meggy and smg4
I haven't watched smg4 since like summer of 2023 because i've been getting tired of them using the same goddamn characters every episode, i feel like the humor's also gotten worse with them reusing the same jokes, the episodes also got extremely uninteresting with them mostly being youtube related and not having much variety, i also feel like the arcs are useless now because after they end all that development that they built up just disappears and the entire puzzlevision arc was extremely uninteresting atleast compared to the cosmology arcs, now i don't hate smg4, i have neutral feelings towards the series, but i just wish smg4 could give his other characters more spotlight, because the episodes could have more variety if the side characters played a big role
SMG3 had character development for years and we all just want SMG4 and SMG3 to be bros now. Since he was born he always had a story arc for.. almost 13 years now and its just not going anywhere. SMG4 and SMG3 STILL FUCKING HATE EACHOTHER. Sure SMG3 is on the main team now but i feel like if didnt really chamge much about him. That was just another example of taris character development. They get an episode for character development once in a while but after that we are just back to how it was exactly before the episode. Theres just nothing really changing.
I haven’t watched smg4 in a while but I hate how they just go into random arcs for no reason like during that graduation arc or smth with the boxes? So forces and so weird. Also they aren’t funny anymore
IMO SMG3 and Meggy are overused characters, no like really tho Meggy has had some major character development like her becoming a human and losing Desti to now her being a goomba working with a tv thats series also should have ended a while back. And SMG3 the whole notebook thing was so dumb he wanted it back bc he stupidly wrote in him and SMG4 doing certain things in a igoloo and thats why he stole it back from Mario even tho Mario walked in on them doing it. Sorry for the long comment
Mario was supposed to Annoy his friends I think he was built to be that he got stupid because of smg4 so he does annoy his friend he was program to do that
Mario used to be a jerk, and a idiot, kind of like an are aggressive homer Simpson. The comedy in early smg4, at least for me, was when mario was an a** to everyone, then he does something stupid that gives him his comeuppance. But now, he's just stupid all the time, and it's not funny when he gets a ton of the slapstick done to him, because he doesn't deserve it, like he used to in the old videos. It's kinda like squidword was in SpongeBob back in the 2010s. They forget the reason why him getting hurt was funny, was because he was a jerk and deserved it.
@@cool_guy_1.e4071 I think they should write the characters better ngl, I think the reason why some characters are bland or people don’t care is because they’re rarely used. Like Saiko & Melony, they’ve never really played an important role in recent SMG4 episodes, it would be better if they actually USED other characters in main episodes, and new duos and trios, because the SMG3-SMG4-Mario thing is pretty annoying now. These guys have potential, but it’s like the same character and character duo-trios are hogging the spotlight. And some characters just need better writing like SMG4. The "A Night’s at SMG4" made it seem like SMG4 is ignoring everything he did. But that’s my take on how SMG4 can somewhat improve.
@@thesonichero2619 He hasn't. Everyone has been hounding Luke and Kevin for a long time now. They constantly order them to do this with their videos or do that with them. And of course people continue to demand them to get rid of certain characters like Meggy or Tari. Not to mention that Kevin gets death threats from people for making story arcs on Smg4. And of course people are blaming both Luke and Kevin for the mistreatment of Tari's Voice Actress which is false. Like Vigar The Magnemite said: Let Hot heads flail and calm heads prevail well something like that
I miss the day when it wasn’t all about redesigns or character arcs hell even spin-offs it was just fun and dumb humour
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@@thesonichero2619 the good times of smg4
Same bro, Smg4 hasn't been the same since 2018 tbh
Smg4 back in the old days was cool because his videos were that bad that they funny,but now it's all high quality and there is no hummor
@@imranmoussaaif2955yea, but 1 question. Who’s show is it? 1 more question. Isn’t humor objective?
SMG4 before: Crazy Characters!!!!
SMG4 now: Meet the cast that definitly their personalities arent copied from BFB pre split characters!!!
What is the relation between SMG4 and BFB
@@Kirbytriedtoeatme well, i found certain similarities with the characters. Like for example:
Human Meggy acts like Leafy (both are cinical and sometimes bossy)
Tari acts like Bubble (both are sensible kind)
Melony acts like Rocky (both are cutefull useless)
And Saiko acts like Fanny (both tend to hate everyone or are always angry)
And the SMG4 OCs where introduced between 2017 and 2018 (While cool inkling got murdered and revived into a "Leafy coded" human), wich in those years BFB started (and didnt split yet)
@@merrykitobjectfoster444 mario should be rocky
@@Kirbytriedtoeatme at least he dosent spend all the time sleeping
And now they're all just chibi angry a holes!!
Now a days SMG4 fels like brain rot light
No, actually it kind of feels like it's fan made
@@thesonichero2619that’s because it is?
The underdevelopment of Tari is bizarre to me. They have the perfect blueprint to her character development from meta runner already. Start off weak and scared, but slowly start getting more brave and fierce. It’s disappointing because thats what I feel made the meta runner show so great.
sad :c
They really just created Tari in SMG4 to promote Meta Runner, but after Western Spaghetti, she's just there or missing at all. She needs an arc to add on to her or at least an episode.
They literally sold Tari becoming slightly more brave into her ARM BECOMING WHEATLEY
what do ya know, actual personal takes and criticisms rather than blind hate. what a nice change of pace.
All I'm gonna say is that sometimes I might be harsh
All I remember is “okay so it’s the guy who is a gun or something”.
Swag and Chris?
The whole channel. Mostly due to the “Smg” part.
I really hope Smg4 sees these videos and tries to understand how people feel. Being a RUclipsr is hard work but he should take time for his characters and story. I do believe tari and Meggy deserve more character development and spotlight, and smg4 that character should be back to caring about his friends instead of memes and views. I agree with the points in this video
If Tari's the "Girl Luigi", then I'd say Meggy's the "Girl Mario".
I sort of see it
@@thesonichero2619SMG4 is the most hated character in the show right now, along side meggy, I believe to be the 2nd most hated.
@@The_Goofy_Plush I think there's good reason for that
At least Bob will always renain to be funny.
I miss when more Mario characters used to appear, like Toad, Yoshi, Bowser, Wario and Waluigi.
Classic Mario was blissfully unaware of the chaos he was causing and actually tried to fix things if he realized his behavior was hurting his friends. Modern Mario actively seeks out trouble and tries to make people mad.
And Meggy went from a smart but caring and emotionally complex character to a nag and a Mary Sue, and now she's just a punching bag who gets hurt or killed in almost every episode she's in for basically no reason.
This right here, but I'm not entirely sure about the Mary sue part
@@thesonichero2619yeah... Same
I literally hate them now, SMG4 is no different than quality drop in Family Guy, since the Glitch team using it as a idea dump and not an actual channel.
For me it all started when Meggy's design was changed (most likely to avoid copyright issues)
Not really sure about that
It wasn’t even for copyright issues. SMG4 had been going on for years (along with other gmod RUclipsrs such as AlexSpider) without even a single warning from Nintendo, they probably did it so that they could sell official merch of Meggy, along with the other character redesigns
I have my own personal theory on that
This guy was my childhood, I would search up "blue mario" and find his videos.
NOW, WHERE IS BLUE MARIO.
Ngl I don't like how they got rid of the "SMG4:" bit at the beginning of the title. Makes it feel less like SMG4
They just stopped caring about the titles I guess
SAMEEEEE
Honestly,SMG4 peaked when he made Mario in Real Life.
I've grown up with SMG4 for years, as early as who let the chomp out and the 1st freddy's spaghettiria. I've loved the series and all the characters and its up their with the list of one of my biggest series hyperfixations. I've loved the many episodes of the series. Even through the many changes everyone hated on like human meggy, meggy having an actual normal voice, SMG4 having lore, SMG4 no longer looking like a bootleg mario recolor, and other redesigns i still loved the series and didn't really have problems with it (other than boopkins 2022 redesign looking kinda weird.)
That being said though I am having problems with the more recent SMG4 episodes, but not because of the writing actually, my problem is what's happened with certain characters.
Some characters I personally have no problem with like Mario, Luigi, Karen, SMG3, Bob, or Fishy boopkins but other characters I have quite a bit of issues with.
SMG4 (the character): I already talked about it this in one of your other videos so i'll cut the crap and make it short, he's become a guy desperately obsessed with views even after the perfectionist arc, I feel like he should be back to the voice of reason (compared to mario that is) but is a youtuber who loves memes kinda like how he was in videos before the perfectionist arc
Meggy: She doesn't really do much, in videos after the new castle was finally built its like they forgot about her whole thing of wanting to be a coach to toughen people up. I have no problem with the leggy stuff and its silly how meggy just becomes a goomba when she's scared but that being said meggy doesn't even feel tough anymore, remember when meggy was not afraid to put up a fight, like in the cursed tape episode where meggy was not afraid to take down phillip considering she knows the stuff they've been through before, what happened to that? it feels like the only time meggy has an important role anymore is in the arc episodes and movies.
Shroomy: Remember when shroomy was known as the boy scout who could craft weapons? what happened to that guy? cuz now in videos he only exists just to be kenny from south park.
Swag & Chris: I just want them to be used slightly more, just slightly because i don't want them to be the SMG4 equivalent of SML's brooklyn T. Guy where they use them in every single episode like they rely on only them.
Melony and Saiko: Very rarely ever used anymore, which is sad to see because they were major characters. One ting that bothers me is that in the puzzlevision livestream countdown, melony and saiko appear in the clips despite the fact that they never appeared ANYWHERE in the puzzlevision takeover arc, not even in the puzzlevision movie so why even bother putting them in the countdown stream if they weren't even in those episodes. At this rate I feel like they should eventually have melony die so she can finally be with axol again who is most likely not returning since he friggin' died
Bowser: They only ever bring him in every once in a blue moon and even then he's just used as a background character with 5 seconds of screentime. I loved bowser and his dumbass antics.
Waluigi and Wario: almost never used anymore, they could make potential episode villains really like they used to (example: the big bad bully episode)
Tari: Not really used that much which is a shame because I love tari, she's one of my favorite characters in the whole series and is one of the only remaining leftover pieces of meta runner (RIP Meta Runner) Clench was also such a strange idea to me but i can't really complain much about him considering he isn't used much since he is part of tari, and tari isn't used that much either.
The anti cast: once again almost never used, I never really cared much for whimpu but I love Rob, remember when he had more major roles and his own dedicated episode (the corn trip) which was focused on rob and bob (which is another thing i like abou the series when there are episodes focused on the dynamics of other characters like karen and swag in the mcdonalds ice cream machine episode). Then of course we have belle not only is it sad she's almost never used since she is the only other remaining leftover piece of meta runner, but her model is in desperate need of an upgrade, it needs to be upgraded to have a revamped look like with tari and also because belle's ragdoll is harder to use than Tari's modern model is because Belle still has the same old model since 2020, plus i feel like she could have a role in the (rare) tari centered episodes.
Kaizo: I almost forgot to include him in this list of rarely used characters, which should really say something.
On a more positive note I love when they use fanmodels like scout meggy or revamped college meggy or leggy. they give credit, it allows for fans model edits to be noticed (as mentioned by MediExcalibur2012, one of the people who works on SMG4) and it opened my eyes to the steam workshop world of SMG4 fanmade model edits where you can find lots of cool edits of the smg4 character models like emo meggy, cat tari, medic tari, halloween versions of meggy, bob, and boopkins, and more
I didn't mean to write out an entire fucking college essay in this one comment section but I deeply care about the SMG4 series and really wanted to voice my concerns with the series. I might delete this comment eventually and just made an entire commentary video instead and also thanking you for giving me the motivation and inspiration to make the video but we'll see how things turn out.
Am I the only one who feels like Belle had a lot of potential while Tari was going through her development arc? (Western Spaghetti) What if she ALSO found out about the simulation and encouraged Tari to act!? Such wasted potential…
I don’t like how Meggy’s character has been reduced to angry short character, especially with the whole Leggy arc.
I'd say that Smg4 didn't fix Meggy but made her worse.
Ever since the It's Gotta Be Perfect Movie. Meggys character has been on a great downfall. I'd say she's slowly becoming the new Peach.
She's literally a bitch to Mario if he does so much as breathe, She gets triggered at the most littlest things, and she just gets pissed when something doesn't go her way.
I don't know why her character was changed to be such a bratty and short tempered person. She was a better character back then.
It can sometimes be justified but what really bugs me is the fact they make jokes about her anger
The last time she actually even had a role was in Western Spaghetti and that’s like the only time she was an interesting and likeable character in the modern era. She’s quite literally just there right after that and stands in the background eating up screen time while also having nothing to do with the video. And honestly that was kind of it. I thought they did fix her a little bit but she still has her issues and doesn’t really have much to do. Tari and Saiko are just boring and have nothing to make the videos more interesting, as per usual. And I just hate the characterization of SMG4 and 3 now because SMG4 is a self centered prick that is just a self insert and only cares for himself. He was a more likeable character because he actually wasn’t just a self insert. Now, that’s all he is and he just does the most insane shit and doesn’t care that much that he destroyed Peach’s castle and turned her into a monster. As for SMG3, he’s just a femboy now or something idk. He’s just lame
The characters are point blank, just filling in roles for episodes
more like the jeffy of smg4
@@lastmonarchistproduction_253 Lol
After the puzzle vision ark, SMG4 started dipping in quality
Well for me, he's been dipping for five to six years.
Nah it's been ever since the it's gotta be perfect
For me it was when Meggy changed as a character.
for me it ended after they changed all the designs
I’ve been noticing some more issues after the It’s Gotta Be Perfect arc as well…
I feel that SMG4 also kinda underuses the Classic Characters like Peach and Bowser. They need to be more involved again instead of being quick gags. Who knows maybe Peach could get character development. It sucks that even after the T Pose Virus where she saves everyone, now she was just left to rot and no one cared about her. Even people forgot about her existence. Which sucks because she’s literally a Classic SMG4 Character. Bowser barely ever shows up either!
They completely removed Peach from the series and that kinda pisses me off, she could’ve been a straight woman character like Meggy sort of used to be. Or heck, give her a mini arc where after her castle is destroyed she slowly learns to appreciate the crew more and maybe even joins them more on adventures.
I remeber like 2 years ago when smg4 characters all felt more like they were friends and are more funny and likable instead of the modern boring anoying personalitys..
I know right? now they all just stand around and do stuff
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Unfortunately we’ve hit a dilemma here, Luke/Whoever is the head of SMG4, has been putting a lack of personality into their characters and has been changing personalities and been reusing characters and not giving other characters a chance in the spotlight. yes, im talking about the characters SMG4 and Meggy, the most overused characters in the show. Meggy feels like a Mario now, a character basically in every single episode now. When will we EVER get an episode where SMG4, Mario, and Meggy aren’t present. Im sure There could be a lot of ideas, like We have characters like, Luigi, SMG3 (also kinda overused), Bob (cringe), Boopkins (also kinda cringe), Tari, Melony, Saiko, Swag, Chris, Karen, + More. surely we can do something with these characters… right? Unfortunately SMG4 isn’t exactly listening to his fans, is he?
Ever since the episode, The Day My Arm Went Psycho, there has been a drastic increase in drama in the SMG4 community…
Hopefully all of this will resolve maybe… and possibly get better?
Also, SMG4 has a big problem of giving characters development, and then COMPLETELY ruining that development. So 90% of Character development just gets left behind in the dust, LIKE IT NEVER EVEN HAPPENED… This kinda goes with Tari’s Character Development. They quote on quote “Tried” to make her not so scared. But In reality, They just completely disregarded this character development. So videos like SMG4: Mario’s Tunnel of Doom, where Meggy Coaches Tari and Luigi to not be scared, this character development goes to waste, and arguably, so does this video. THERES 0 POINT IN MAKING VIDEOS WITH CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IF YOU’RE JUST GONNA FORGET IT EVEN HAPPENED!
Tari is one of if not my favorite SMG4 character, and It slightly hurts to see this happen.
Hopefully maybe one day he’ll finally put all his Character development into his characters, and Not forget that HE HAS MORE CHARACTERS THAN JUST MARIO, SMG4, SMG3, AND MEGGY. THIS IS ALL THE CHARACTERS WE SEE IN REGULAR EPISODES, THESE OTHER CHARACTERS ARE JUST LEFT IN THE DUST, FOR NO REASON. IF NOT, JUST INCLUDE ALL MAIN CHARACTERS IN EACH EPISODE, AT LEAST MAKE THEM SAY 1 WORD. NOT JUST FORGET THEY EXIST, AND HAVE THEM NOT HAVE A PURPOSE OF THEM BEING THERE… im sorry im over reacting, but it’s kinda true. The next SMG4 episode will probably be about this Quote on quote “Meme Factory” for Tourism for the Showgrounds. And will probably include SMG4, and SMG3, and Meggy, and Mario. But unknown if any OTHER characters will appear. Considering, These 4 Characters basically appear in every single episode by now. Smg3 is kinda a stretch, but he kinda does appear in every single episode now. Its a shame we get to ONLY SEE THESE 4 CHARACTERS. Can we at least see more?
I’m so glad that many people are now realize the decline in quality when it comes to characters. The cast now just gets sidelined after they have an arc with them. Think about it. When was the last time Rob was relevant?
For me the 3 main problems are:
1. The Nintendo purge:
While smg4 is fair use, Nintendo doesn’t care and if they wanted they could get Luke pretty much executed. Luke probably knows this, and it’s why old characters like bowser or toad disappeared, which is fine, but it has removed a lot of soul from smg4
2. Ass writing: it’s just bad, Meggy gets tortured for a month strait and then goes: “I wIsH I CoUlD haVe BeeN yOUr FriEnd”
It’s just one example, but it represents the lack of awareness in the writing, like they didn’t re-read the script before moving forward. Aswell now when they introduce a new character I often go “wow he’s annoying, I hope he doesn’t stick around” and the arcs are just badly written ever since genesis, when they fumbled the axol and melony ship, combined with the wasted potential; saiko is screaming for some character development and they just keep developing meggy.
3. The family-friendlyness:
Now while smg4 never had that much swearing, it’s still crazy how much they’ve toned it down.
And it’s probably not Luke or Kevin’s fault but RUclips; because at the end of the day, they have to eat. And I’m not saying change is bad, if smg4 hadn’t changed we’d all be complaining about it, but it could have been changed differently.
(Btw smg4 was brain rot for zoomers just the gen alpha humor could be written better)
Tbh for me it started with meggy’s existance.
Damn straight. I agree with all 5 points you brought up.
Shroomy should be part of the main cast again, he could bring back a lot of people
Swag Ngl is a goat, and if not, at least top five
yes
I remember the days when saiko was relevant.
Your so right about smg4 the character
Honestly SMG4 has been on a downward spiral, ever since It's gotta be perfect. New SMG4 isn't awful or anything, it's just not even close to the old days. I also heard two things... I heard that people say Glitch is better these days and that SMG4 became "brainrot". First of all, no the fuck is not. I don't like either Digital Circus or Murder Drones, besides like an episode or two. Second of all, there's many arguments you could make that SMG4 isn't brainrot nowadays. Matter of fact, I would go as far as to say it's always been brainrot, but it used to be in a good kind of way. When you think about it, SMG4 in the old days was stupid memes, stupid jokes that was random nonsense at times, which was still hilarious btw. Now, I feel like the team is trying too hard to focus on a plot. Idk if that's the best way to explain it though.
Ever since the redesigns in 2022, everything has just gone downhill. I mean Puzzlevision was good but SMG4 is basically a different person to his original Mario-recolour self.
Also I really miss Bowser and Toad, and completely killing off Peach was a crap decision.
Also bring back the old Mario-recolours like X and FM!
I mean peach was VERY annoying, but I didn't see the point of killing her off
Bowser gang rise up
SMG4 Fell off
At least new SMG4 isn’t nearly as modern SpongeBob
I feel like 4 is actually worse
Smg4 is used to be my personal favorite when he was making those old blooper videos or when Mario gets in random games and all,me and my friends were watching him a lot, but now he has just became a brain rot in my opinion, i don't like how almost all of them just changed, in fact I hate it, and I stopped watching SMG4, maybe if they get some kind of redemption and get back to old videos, maybe I would watch him again but I doubt that this will ever happend
u should talk about fishy boopkins he was my favorite character back when he was introduced
Maybe I'll consider a full video to it
He went from being the awkward character that some people felt uncomfortable around to only liking anime and nothing else, and now he's just pointless and just follows Bob around.
Look, i know Mario is annoying, but sometimes he cares, like when he thought luigi died in Mario SAW, or is that an old episode?
Anyways, yeah, mario is now annoying, to be fair he was annoying in the past aswell, but it was mixed wuth dumbness that it was somewhat funny
Sadly, hes just more annoying now
I know he definitely can
I have always loved Mario as a character i never hated the character or found him annoing since he always care about his friends as we saw in every arc. He is even the funniest out of all
Sometimes
Smg4 isnt really declining we pretty much grew up and it soley has some kids humor
Maybe that's what's happening with me
@@thesonichero2619 and some shows sometimes change adding more story and development so the characters become the best version of themselves smg4 on the other hand is just a dumb Mario adventure turned into characters fighting gods psychopaths and Nintendo itself
It kinda has actually. Smg4 pre 2018-2019 was more mature in its humor.
new smg4 is really bad in my opinion,i dont like the fact that he is the most important character,in the old videos it was just mario being a stoopid fat italian,now its just meggy and smg4
I haven't watched smg4 since like summer of 2023 because i've been getting tired of them using the same goddamn characters every episode, i feel like the humor's also gotten worse with them reusing the same jokes, the episodes also got extremely uninteresting with them mostly being youtube related and not having much variety, i also feel like the arcs are useless now because after they end all that development that they built up just disappears and the entire puzzlevision arc was extremely uninteresting atleast compared to the cosmology arcs, now i don't hate smg4, i have neutral feelings towards the series, but i just wish smg4 could give his other characters more spotlight, because the episodes could have more variety if the side characters played a big role
SMG3 had character development for years and we all just want SMG4 and SMG3 to be bros now. Since he was born he always had a story arc for.. almost 13 years now and its just not going anywhere. SMG4 and SMG3 STILL FUCKING HATE EACHOTHER. Sure SMG3 is on the main team now but i feel like if didnt really chamge much about him. That was just another example of taris character development. They get an episode for character development once in a while but after that we are just back to how it was exactly before the episode. Theres just nothing really changing.
I just missed the days when he was a villain, doesn't help that Mister Puzzles is now a self insert
I haven’t watched smg4 in a while but I hate how they just go into random arcs for no reason like during that graduation arc or smth with the boxes? So forces and so weird. Also they aren’t funny anymore
IMO SMG3 and Meggy are overused characters, no like really tho Meggy has had some major character development like her becoming a human and losing Desti to now her being a goomba working with a tv thats series also should have ended a while back. And SMG3 the whole notebook thing was so dumb he wanted it back bc he stupidly wrote in him and SMG4 doing certain things in a igoloo and thats why he stole it back from Mario even tho Mario walked in on them doing it. Sorry for the long comment
Mario was supposed to Annoy his friends I think he was built to be that he got stupid because of smg4 so he does annoy his friend he was program to do that
EPICMARIOBROS your here hello!
I Agree about SMG3 him being nice too SMG4 is Cringey
It makes me slowly die inside
Mario used to be a jerk, and a idiot, kind of like an are aggressive homer Simpson. The comedy in early smg4, at least for me, was when mario was an a** to everyone, then he does something stupid that gives him his comeuppance. But now, he's just stupid all the time, and it's not funny when he gets a ton of the slapstick done to him, because he doesn't deserve it, like he used to in the old videos. It's kinda like squidword was in SpongeBob back in the 2010s. They forget the reason why him getting hurt was funny, was because he was a jerk and deserved it.
Mario is the only good character in my opinion hes mainly the reason i still watch it
You can't just say "they changed and i don't like it" and then say "they didn't change and i don't like it" what do want them to do end the series
no
@@thesonichero2619 then what
@@cool_guy_1.e4071 I think they should write the characters better ngl, I think the reason why some characters are bland or people don’t care is because they’re rarely used. Like Saiko & Melony, they’ve never really played an important role in recent SMG4 episodes, it would be better if they actually USED other characters in main episodes, and new duos and trios, because the SMG3-SMG4-Mario thing is pretty annoying now. These guys have potential, but it’s like the same character and character duo-trios are hogging the spotlight. And some characters just need better writing like SMG4. The "A Night’s at SMG4" made it seem like SMG4 is ignoring everything he did. But that’s my take on how SMG4 can somewhat improve.
I like these kinds of videos, because here I find people with brain and not 5 year old kids
yes
I used to like SMG4’s content but now it’s just soulless and unfunny.
Nobody asked for this video. And nobody really cares about what you have to say about Smg4 and the other characters. Meggy is not going anywhere.
Yep you're definitely right, The writing is top tier and modern SMG4 and definitely hasn't gone downhill ✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌
@@thesonichero2619 He hasn't. Everyone has been hounding Luke and Kevin for a long time now. They constantly order them to do this with their videos or do that with them. And of course people continue to demand them to get rid of certain characters like Meggy or Tari. Not to mention that Kevin gets death threats from people for making story arcs on Smg4. And of course people are blaming both Luke and Kevin for the mistreatment of Tari's Voice Actress which is false. Like Vigar The Magnemite said: Let Hot heads flail and calm heads prevail well something like that