@@RealWheezerTF2 I know I’m saying people sending death threats are overreacting it was the same with mileena fans they sent death threats to Ed boon for not adding her in the base game of mk11 even though she was planned as dlc but they didn’t know
I dont know why people are bring up that alot the minor smg4 characters never show up much anymore, that includes former major characters like meggy, tari, smg1 and smg2, I think smg4 should use its minor characters more and not as an Easter egg every so often and it's very sad that minor characters in smg4 are underutilised
Honestly while the situation absolutely sucks I do believe Jasmine the VA director just genuinely forgot. We gotta remember these are human beings and while that doesn’t justify what happened I don’t think it is a sign of Glitch being shady. Just a reminder that this is still an indie company and one that made it big meaning more work. The best course of action would probably be to hire another VA Director not to (ironically) replace Jasmine but just someone to split the work. I dunno just spitting my thoughts on the matter from my perspective.
I know, everyone.. I can't believe GLITCH would do this to Celeste. First, Sega replaced all of the 4kids Voice Cast with new voice actors ever since Sonic and The Black Knight in 2009, Then Steve Burton (the VA for Cloud Strife) got replaced by Cody Christian for Final Fantasy 7, and then the entire pilot Voice Cast for Hazbin Hotel got replaced with a Broadway Cast! 😡
Just this being the truth would be painful from a personal standpoint, because of Jasmine's status as a writer for both SMG4 (including Western Spaghetti) and Meta Runner. This wasn't some oblivious new hire. Besides Luke and Kevin, she was probably the most involved in fleshing out Tari's story. Probably more since she was the lead writer from MR S2 onwards. So yeah if this work is really that demanding for somebody like Jasmine can't do it alone, then they need more backup.
@@thesonichero2619 I consider the work environment at Roosterteeth and Activision Blizzard worst since one of the former animators at Roosterteeth kept getting harassed all because that animator was Trans and with Activision Blizzard (mainly Blizzard) , though a video game company. one of their infamous things was praising predators like Harvey weinstein and Bill Cosby.
I remember this drama fully. GLITCH obviously should have 100% told celeste about being replaced as a VA of a character, This is a thing which you cant "forget". All tho the people who sent death threats and even doxxed Kevin and Lottie over this is even worse than the character Tari getting her VA replaced. (This is why i first wanted the drama to be over with and then i would publicy talk about it) i do hope GLITCH learn from this once terrible mistake (if it even was that) and dont do it again.
@@LightningAdrianNot when it shouldn't come to someones job/livelyhood. They messed up and that's all there is to it, let's see if they improve from now.
I think the reason Meggy's VA got a goodbye message and Celeste didn't is because Meggys VA is way bigger then Celeste. I mean think about it, if Meggys VA got replaced for no reason everyone would be more pissed at Glitch then what happened with Celeste but since she is pretty much a nobody in the VA industry, Glitch thought they could get away with it without anyone noticing nor caring. And guess what? Not alot of people did notice outside of the Smg4/Glitch community. Also most people have said that Luke isn't the problem, it's Kevin. Oh and in her statement, Celeste said that Luke apologised to her he just didn't give a reason as to why she was fired. Edit: I should probably say that this has no proof and was just one of the theorys when the drama happened.
@@thesonichero2619 Agree even though there's no proof, people seemed to think that it made the most sense when the drama happened... for some reason. Do you think it makes the most sense or no?
@@thesonichero2619 Actually, my bad. People never thought that was the main reason, it was just one of the theorys during the drama. Sorry, for confusing you for something that sounds kinda stupid.
You people are overreacting like these people are monsters for what is in a nutshell a simple mistake, that apology also has nothing to do with the VA, it's just about the allegations of the employees being overworked and stressed, So that doesn't make much sense.
Yeah, when the whole thing went down originally I thought "Well that sucks." But especially coming from the Sonic Fandom where his voice actors is changed out every other week and how much people talk about the voices in the fandom, I'm just pretty jaded to this type of thing. Does it suck, yes. But is it irreparable? Hardly. People should just stop being so petty over the tiniest things. It really bugs me.
We have a right to be livid if the company mistreats a mother in the current day, in a nation with limited opportunities no less, to the point that the affected voice actress loses her passion of her acting talent. The doxxer is responsible for making things worse and should be tried (and treated) as a terrorist, but the main offender in all this is Kevin Lerdwichagul for his incompetence as a CEO. It was pretty telling when positions for Human Resources is open, suggesting there were no failsafes to ensure negligence of this degree never happen in the first place.
@@thesonichero2619 Isn't it applicable? Like from Black Knight to Free Riders instead of rehiring the old cast they fired them. I mean I know non of the voice actors were upset from my understanding when they got the boot, but still... I'm just curious for the most part.
One thing I remember was that they was a strange situation, because tari original voice was in they only used clips But as SMG4 evolved they started to do full voice acting for almost all the characters.(now keep in mind that SMG4 is a meme series, so there’s also meme voice lines put into it so that’s how the voice acting’s been,for a while which is why SMG4 voice acting is weird) Tari soon started to go back-and-forth between Clips and voice acting but at the time the SMG4 channel was confused on how the voice should be. that I think the situation got messy real fast it probably was also messy because they weren’t really working on any big projects with her or were becoming distanced. So they change the voice to have full voice acting because they probably were concerned with the ability to get her to do full voice acting.
The worst thing is that the way New Tari talks its as if theyre intentionally telling her to sound more like Celeste. As if they didnt actually want to replace her but did it anyway
My theory is that they wanted a more high pitch more "cute" voice in the movie western spaghetti movie idk if is js me or the voice direction js sounded super high pitch for to me and ig Glitch thought that Celeste was too mature for SMG4 Tari and thats why the wanted a new more high pitch annoying voice for her but yea thats js my guess
Remember that Disney was also an independent creator. I can see Glitch becoming more and more corporate as the years go on. The collab with Lackadaisy is pretty much a two edged sword.
@@numbuh1507 God, I hope Glitch Productions won't follow the same dreadful fate like how Hollywood and Rooster Teeth did, and I also hope that the last episode of Murder Drones (season 1), the rest of The Amazing Digital Circus series and The Gaslight District series dosen't suck ass.
It's a job. If you can't show up and something needs to be made, you generally just get replaced. If you don't respect the original arrangement, you get fired. This is such trivial drama bro, it's basic stuff.
@bloodyidit4506 Sorry for the tone but did you even read the comment? They said without warning- they weren't told that they were fired. You are totally right but the point still stands; the VA was not told that she was fired and that's what's wrong with the situation. Honestly, from the way the girl who talked to the VA told the situation, it didn't seem like a simple "You're not doing your job properly," situation, but that's just what I think.
I never knew this, but now knowing rubs me the wrong way a voice actor got replaced by a bigger voice actor for no apparent reason. Of course since it happened a while ago and hopefully they'll learn from a bad mistake like that and be more communicative and clear, so it's not like it's gonna ruin the shows for me and i can't watch MD and TADC without thinking about that one situation. Lets just hope it doesn't happen again to any other hard working VAs 🙏
Glitch productions and SMG4 may be run by the same guys, but they are not the same thing. One is a full studio with original works, and one is a mario parody animation youtube channel. The original series the VA's took part of ended ages ago, this is the equivalent of commission fan work, only its run by the same people. This is not something to flip out about, and has no impact on the inde animation industry.
What the hell are you even talking about ? "The indie animation industry" ? That's completely irrelevant, it's just incredibly scummy to replace one of your oldest VAs without a farewell message or even a warning... Also SMG4 is wayyy more than just a '"Mario parody channel" in the year 2024, hell half of the characters aren't even from Nintendo anymore. Before the drama happened, Celeste's voicelines had still been used for years at this point, as much as Kevin would like treat SMG4 like a side project, it's still very much a full on business that needs to be handled properly, and officially speaking it still falls under Glitch Productions.
@@TheRealSuperKirby Literally just make a quick Google search lol, SMG4 is listed as one of the _GLITCH channels_ on the homepage of the _Glitch Productions website_ . The SMG4 merch store is also under the Glitch merch website. It *IS* under the company name, it has been for over 5 years at this point.
This is why I give more appreciation to the directors and artists who are actually doing the work in making these incredible pieces then the company behind them Idk GLITCH as a company just starts to feel more corporate these days just in general Yea theyre indie, but A: still a million dollar production company And B: as weve seen with other projects before (like Battlestate Games) being an indie company dosent mean jack when it comes to what a company is capable of becoming with improper management or alternative motives (not saying GLITCH is evil btw im just saying my concern for how the company is sorta lookin, trust me I trust GLITCH over a corp like Disney any day)
@@nanotech1921 God, I hope Glitch Productions won't fall down the same deathtrap like how Hollywood and Rooster Teeth did, and I hope that the last episode of Murder Drones (season 1), the rest of The Amazing Digital Circus series and The Gaslight District series dosen't suck ass!
@@keeganmcfarland7507 im sure they wont, GLITCH productions actually produces high quality work which again is all thanks to the wonderful directors, writers, and artists Its the behind the scenes stuff or the cooperate side is what gets me a tad bit concerned (Also there is no season 2 of murder drones) 😔
I already saw/heard about that scummy situation of Glitch Productions like a couple of months ago, and even though I've never watched Meta Runners and Sunset Paradise, it's absurd, sad, and scummy that Glitch Productions decides to replace some of the voice actors (like Tari and Meggy for a example) for no reason.🤦♂️ Lucky though, Kevin made a apology note about their workplace. God, I hope Glitch Productions won't follow the same fate like how ViziePop and Rooster Teeth did. I also hope that the last episode of Murder Drones (season 1), The Amazing Digital Circus series and The Gaslight District series doesn't suck ass.
What did vivziepop did? Also you gmforget that spindle horse is the team that also work on the show as well, and viv might did mistakes but for her is not as bad as what glitch did
Besides rooster teeth Vivi visipop zaxby doing okay I guess it's this personality wise people don't like her plus I'm pretty sure this will have nothing to affect all of their series my My guy
If I were to replace a voice actor, I would state my reason(s) first and then let them know that he have been replaced. Even if said voice actor does respond to the news well, that would still save everyone the confusion of him going in when another has already took his position.
I understand that metarunner is a really old series but tari has been apart of glitch since the very beginning… like back when smg4 had less than 3 mil. Meta runner got me into indie animation back when I first watched it in 2019 and it makes me sad seeing Tari being cut like this
Ehhh I don't really trust anything Robin from Anime America says. She's always been so overreactionary and really shame-y of other peoples interests, down to leading her fans to harass the Cells at Work fandom (I was in a discord when suddenly a bunch of "how dare you simp for the Cancer Cell?" types came flooding in... we were confused until we found out Robin and her anti fun followers had sent us a 'love letter'. Then she was surprised when people got angry)
@@thesonichero2619 I got my info from elsewhere after the vid so you did manage to spread awareness. It's shitty Glitch did that and I really hope they improve. Kinda reminds me of how Vivziepop replaced the HH va's and then didn't invite them to the premier. I love Hazbin Hotel but it was scummy. I just shared my opinion on your guest for this.
This situation depresses me, it's just a massively fucked situation all around especially because it literally went nowhere. -We never got a true answer as to why Celeste was just so abruptly fired, or why she wasn't given a proper goodbye like Lizzie Freeman after she was no longer meggy's voice actress. -Celeste has (in her words) "lost love for the industry" because of this situation, which is something really sad to happen to a voice actress, who knows what career she'll have to persue next. -Glitch productions was seen as the saving grace for indie animators and if stuff like this proceeds to happen then the indie animation industry is doomed. -Meta runner was one of my favorites and filled me with that "once a show you like ends you feel empty inside" kind of feeling, and to hear all of the issues of glitch productions come from people who worked on meta runner makes me upset. -The situation unfortunately had to be stopped because someone on twitter was threatening to doxx Kevin and leak his IP address (which might also be Luke's since they are brothers who run a company) as well as people constantly harassing glitch productions workers with death threats (as mentoned in kevin's response) I remember ever since I gave up on my dreams of being a game designer after learning about how much dogshit video game companies in the industry are, my other idea for a dream job was working at glitch productions. But now ever since this I've tossed that dream job in the trash too and now I've just given up on even having a dream job.
@kirbyandblossomfan100 God, I hope Glitch Productions (alongside with the indie animation industry space) won't follow the same dreadful footsteps like how Hollywood and Rooster Teeth did.
When I look back at the Murder Drones trailer they made, it was just a bunch of jumbled nonsense. What the characters were saying didn't even fit the scenes, and it was (and is) just generally bad. But, if you look back at the trailer Liam Vickers made, it's much better and explains the story. (cool music too)
They canceled murder drones season two hazbin hotel and helluva boss are getting 4 and 5 seasons respectively meta runner had 3 seasons murder drones can’t get 10 episodes and I’m pissed
While I do think ot was a big mistake to replace Celeste without telling her, I believe that it was that, a mistake, I believe Jazmine genuenly forgot to tell her, and Robin didn't handled the situation well if you ask me, quitting on spot instead of asking your boss "Yo, what the hell happened here?" before doing something drastic?, That's wasn't an smart move at all As for the overworked employees, some of them filled complains on a review page, and Kevin acknowledged them saying that he was genuenly sorry for all that, although he wasn't going to tolerate the slander some of them made against him nor against the artists currently working on GLITCH that are actually enjoying their work there (and yeah, some of those complains called Kevin an abusive leech that only hired artists that were popular despite their talent, which is just plain mean) And as for the poster, aparently they couldn't port Tari's and SP Meggy's models to the new engine they're using for their current shows without the whole thing imploding on itself so they improvised
One thing im still confused on is did Luke amd Kevin even know since you did say one of them made an apology but it was half assed so kinda confused on that still.
Dear Lord I know it's going to happen which Productions is going to become just like Rooster Teeth which is not a good thing because that studio is terrible they don't manage things well and in general just take all the boxes for a Bad Company and I really don't want wish to become like that but looking at this it feels like it's going to become like that
Why not instead teach people how to not become like that in the first place if they wanna run a company. Teach them how to fear their fans, the fear of consequences, set a high standard for themselves and also study philosophical education to ensure their fans that meet them have a safe interaction with them.
I have something to tell. So their merch is kinda shit too because I ordered a pomni plush and it was supposed to come in like 5 day but it didn’t come. But AS SOON AS I ASKED FOR A REFUND they said it was shipping. Dogshit
I believe that if & when there is a Google Doc exposing just how shady GLITCH is, the drama will explode. Between this, the glassdoor reviews, & Collin lasting only a year as a writer for SMG4, there is a ton of shady stuff with GLITCH behind the scenes that we don't even know about, I feel like this Tari ish is just the beginning.
And u actually believed that those glass Door review things are real and not people over exaggerating because I don't know if you know this or not but some people have a tendency to lie or mix of themselves look good or pled of victim. Plus why would someone need to make a Google dog when like you say they have all this stuff with those reviews and stuff like I say if they ever do make sure you don't automatically believe it
I feel like the only reason glitch is even managing to stay relevant is beacuse of murder drones and digital circus(digital circus was I think was boosted by little kids) 😂😂
What happened definitely sucked, but because of what they're doing for the indie animation industry, and because they were the inspiration of my own career choice, I'll stay on their side until they do something truly horrendous (on purpose)
This confused the hell out of me, and being an OG fan of SMG4 and GLITCH was very dissapointed and upset when I heard the drama. It's just so weird that this happened in the first place, like how do you even replace an important VA like Celeste without any warning ??? Did Jasmine even consult Luke and Kevin before making the call ??? Last time we saw them on camera, Celeste and the rest of the Meta Runner crew were on extremely good terms with them, so it seems really odd for them to just "forget" to inform the VA of the main chararacter of GLITCH's very first series, especially since you'd at least expect them to give her a quick farewell message or something after being a part of the company for so long.
same. i know they’re an indie studio and all but this situation and other various hints prove money is their top priority. they’re not even acknowledging the series that got them so far in the first place.
I ain't losing hoping that Glitch will apologize to Celeste in the future. But I have to disagree with you on saying Kevin's apology was half-assed since he was inexperienced and overwhelmed when he started the company, plus he acknowledged and apologized to the workers who were overworked by him.
I don’t think they’re bad people or scamming company I just think maybe they’re just going a bit too far into the light and I just need a back up a little.. because you keep in mind, it is still a small company. It’s not big as in like Disney or DreamWorks or anything So we shouldn’t just let this sting The studio I mean, everyone’s gonna make mistakes Especially in beginning starting companies so I feel like this can be rather forgiven. They apologize and we should just give them a second chance.
Also meta runner ended, so what else do you want them to do with it? Honestly, I think just having Tari In the background is actually fine, because they at least acknowledge that she is to thank for starting the company.. And honestly I do believe that they are sorry for what they done and I know this is gonna sound controversial but I think maybe the original voice Tari should give glitch another chance because it probably was just bad communication
Honesty, I am sad that MetaRunner and Sunset Paradise are kind of are under the shadow of MD and TADC but I also see where the company is coming from. MD and TADC are what they are mostly know for and those are their biggest works. Do I find it kind of sad that MetaRunners and Sunset Paradise, the founder's own ideas btw, are being overshadowed? Yes- but when you look at it from a business point of view, I still see where they're coming from.
The have gotten big but not in a good way. But they're better than Anime America in everyway and her "reviews" led her to many contversy that she literally lost 30k subs on YT.
Pathetic, we wine and wine about the industry and how indie is "different", When they (indie) have done things that are the same as corporate animation.
@@yalovoyhznepomnyyou think you’re so superior to everyone else that you call them mortals. as someone who agrees on the fact that indie studios can also be very corporate, you are giving people like us who have this mindset a bad name. pure foolishness and immaturity.
I use to be a huge fan of them but well, before the drama started I noticed they are a bit.. money hungry you know? at least in my opinion. it that they are grouping themself with small shows despite being extremely popular also.
I really hope that glitch Productions doesn't keep doing this because if they keep on doing this they'll become like Rooster Teeth and they'll die out due to all of their flaws mistakes
Do i care about glitch and their shows? No not really but honestly it’s kinda just weird that they randomly dropped a VA without even telling her or the other actors with it really being unprofessional imo
I think it was just a horrible bad mistake, I hope they can like save this yk and not fuck up again. I don’t think Luke and Kevin are bad people I think they got to much in their head and maybe it got so big that management just went bad. I feel bad for the voice actors in this tho :[
Since they forgot about MR's 5th anniversary & ended up promoting those damn TADC mini figures instead during the same day it happened isn't some sheer coincidence. They can't just randomly ignore a legacy show that started their entire studio since the very beginning. They should've done something for it. It feels so heartless & soulless of them. Why would they do such a thing to their sister's own creation that got them to this point?
If late to the party was a youtube video: Like cmon bruh... what was the point? It sucked but its resolved, why does this need another discussion unless there was another mamagement screwup?
@@thesonichero2619 ? What gave you the impression Id watch that garbage? Im sorry but this seems immensely pointless as a video considering its already been resolved. Again, is there an actual situation as of current that would put the management under question and see a need for this to be brought into the light?
The real problem is that they have turned into visvsipop levels of conent With them releasing epesodes ever few months or if were unlikely 5-7 months apart when befor they used to fo epesodes every week until the season was over Nowadays they cant even put out an epesode in 2 months I get it, animation is expensive but that wasn't a problem back then, why is it a problem now?
That’s why I no longer watch smg4 I focus more on the glitch production stuff unrelated to smg4 like murder drones which was only a advertised for one video and actually was not that bad for its pilot like I was okay with the heavy death count
Yep luke and Kevin actually was the biggest created mistake everything in behind the scenes of glitch Productions is completely messed up and luke and Kevin why are you going to say both of you yourself
put this through grammarly: Yep, Luke and Kevin were actually the biggest mistakes created. Everything behind the scenes of Glitch Productions is completely messed up, and Luke and Kevin, what are you going to say to both of you yourself?
Glitch shouldn’t have done that but one thing I hate is how people overreact to this shit by sending death threats to the voice actresses/actors
That really shouldn't have happened
No one should receive death threats
@@RealWheezerTF2 I know I’m saying people sending death threats are overreacting it was the same with mileena fans they sent death threats to Ed boon for not adding her in the base game of mk11 even though she was planned as dlc but they didn’t know
@@RealWheezerTF2sadly there always gonna be someone who does it. Since yk….parasocial exists
I dont know why people are bring up that alot the minor smg4 characters never show up much anymore, that includes former major characters like meggy, tari, smg1 and smg2, I think smg4 should use its minor characters more and not as an Easter egg every so often and it's very sad that minor characters in smg4 are underutilised
Honestly while the situation absolutely sucks I do believe Jasmine the VA director just genuinely forgot. We gotta remember these are human beings and while that doesn’t justify what happened I don’t think it is a sign of Glitch being shady. Just a reminder that this is still an indie company and one that made it big meaning more work. The best course of action would probably be to hire another VA Director not to (ironically) replace Jasmine but just someone to split the work. I dunno just spitting my thoughts on the matter from my perspective.
I don't know anything about managing, but that sounds like a good idea to me
I know, everyone.. I can't believe GLITCH would do this to Celeste. First, Sega replaced all of the 4kids Voice Cast with new voice actors ever since Sonic and The Black Knight in 2009, Then Steve Burton (the VA for Cloud Strife) got replaced by Cody Christian for Final Fantasy 7, and then the entire pilot Voice Cast for Hazbin Hotel got replaced with a Broadway Cast! 😡
@@JulianGarcia-iy7ug LmaoI love Steve Burton but Cody is just wayyy better imo, and the new Hazbin cast is also really good ngl.
Just this being the truth would be painful from a personal standpoint, because of Jasmine's status as a writer for both SMG4 (including Western Spaghetti) and Meta Runner. This wasn't some oblivious new hire. Besides Luke and Kevin, she was probably the most involved in fleshing out Tari's story. Probably more since she was the lead writer from MR S2 onwards.
So yeah if this work is really that demanding for somebody like Jasmine can't do it alone, then they need more backup.
@@JulianGarcia-iy7ugsonic has always been juggling va's so idk what u mean
It sucks Glitch went through this, at least they are tame compared to companies like the late Roosterteeth and Activsion Blizzard.
At least they're not like spindlehorse
@@thesonichero2619 I consider the work environment at Roosterteeth and Activision Blizzard worst since one of the former animators at Roosterteeth kept getting harassed all because that animator was Trans and with Activision Blizzard (mainly Blizzard) , though a video game company. one of their infamous things was praising predators like Harvey weinstein and Bill Cosby.
@@thesonichero2619
Don’t even get me started on Vivziepop 💀
@@thesonichero2619 eh, I still watch the shows and buy the products soo
Activision?
I remember this drama fully. GLITCH obviously should have 100% told celeste about being replaced as a VA of a character, This is a thing which you cant "forget". All tho the people who sent death threats and even doxxed Kevin and Lottie over this is even worse than the character Tari getting her VA replaced. (This is why i first wanted the drama to be over with and then i would publicy talk about it) i do hope GLITCH learn from this once terrible mistake (if it even was that) and dont do it again.
You do realize people often forget about things right?
@@LightningAdrianNot when it shouldn't come to someones job/livelyhood. They messed up and that's all there is to it, let's see if they improve from now.
I think the reason Meggy's VA got a goodbye message and Celeste didn't is because Meggys VA is way bigger then Celeste. I mean think about it, if Meggys VA got replaced for no reason everyone would be more pissed at Glitch then what happened with Celeste but since she is pretty much a nobody in the VA industry, Glitch thought they could get away with it without anyone noticing nor caring. And guess what? Not alot of people did notice outside of the Smg4/Glitch community.
Also most people have said that Luke isn't the problem, it's Kevin. Oh and in her statement, Celeste said that Luke apologised to her he just didn't give a reason as to why she was fired.
Edit: I should probably say that this has no proof and was just one of the theorys when the drama happened.
Seems like a very scummy reason
@@thesonichero2619 Agree even though there's no proof, people seemed to think that it made the most sense when the drama happened... for some reason. Do you think it makes the most sense or no?
@@Nightmare_boi1078 no
@@thesonichero2619 Fair enough.
@@thesonichero2619 Actually, my bad. People never thought that was the main reason, it was just one of the theorys during the drama. Sorry, for confusing you for something that sounds kinda stupid.
it sucks. but I'm still gonna watch murder drones and digital circus and try to pretend this didn't happen
I guess that works
Same
true, separate the media for the creators
Yea, glitch just funds for Liam, they don’t completely run MD, but they are a big part of it.
You people are overreacting like these people are monsters for what is in a nutshell a simple mistake, that apology also has nothing to do with the VA, it's just about the allegations of the employees being overworked and stressed, So that doesn't make much sense.
Yeah, when the whole thing went down originally I thought "Well that sucks." But especially coming from the Sonic Fandom where his voice actors is changed out every other week and how much people talk about the voices in the fandom, I'm just pretty jaded to this type of thing. Does it suck, yes. But is it irreparable? Hardly. People should just stop being so petty over the tiniest things. It really bugs me.
We have a right to be livid if the company mistreats a mother in the current day, in a nation with limited opportunities no less, to the point that the affected voice actress loses her passion of her acting talent.
The doxxer is responsible for making things worse and should be tried (and treated) as a terrorist, but the main offender in all this is Kevin Lerdwichagul for his incompetence as a CEO.
It was pretty telling when positions for Human Resources is open, suggesting there were no failsafes to ensure negligence of this degree never happen in the first place.
The thing is, is that there's reasonings on why sonic characters voices change
@@thesonichero2619 Isn't it applicable? Like from Black Knight to Free Riders instead of rehiring the old cast they fired them. I mean I know non of the voice actors were upset from my understanding when they got the boot, but still... I'm just curious for the most part.
One thing I remember was that they was a strange situation, because tari original voice was in they only used clips But as SMG4 evolved they started to do full voice acting for almost all the characters.(now keep in mind that SMG4 is a meme series, so there’s also meme voice lines put into it so that’s how the voice acting’s been,for a while which is why SMG4 voice acting is weird) Tari soon started to go back-and-forth between Clips and voice acting but at the time the SMG4 channel was confused on how the voice should be. that I think the situation got messy real fast it probably was also messy because they weren’t really working on any big projects with her or were becoming distanced. So they change the voice to have full voice acting because they probably were concerned with the ability to get her to do full voice acting.
The worst thing is that the way New Tari talks its as if theyre intentionally telling her to sound more like Celeste. As if they didnt actually want to replace her but did it anyway
My theory is that they wanted a more high pitch more "cute" voice in the movie western spaghetti movie idk if is js me or the voice direction js sounded super high pitch for to me and ig Glitch thought that Celeste was too mature for SMG4 Tari and thats why the wanted a new more high pitch annoying voice for her but yea thats js my guess
I don't think so
@@thesonichero2619 it js a guess anyway
Remember that Disney was also an independent creator.
I can see Glitch becoming more and more corporate as the years go on. The collab with Lackadaisy is pretty much a two edged sword.
@@numbuh1507 God, I hope Glitch Productions won't follow the same dreadful fate like how Hollywood and Rooster Teeth did, and I also hope that the last episode of Murder Drones (season 1), the rest of The Amazing Digital Circus series and The Gaslight District series dosen't suck ass.
ooh that's a scary statement
Glitch Productions shouldn’t have just replaced the original actress without an warning at least. It’s so messed up.
It's a job. If you can't show up and something needs to be made, you generally just get replaced. If you don't respect the original arrangement, you get fired. This is such trivial drama bro, it's basic stuff.
But isn't that the Voice Director's job??
@bloodyidit4506 Sorry for the tone but did you even read the comment? They said without warning- they weren't told that they were fired. You are totally right but the point still stands; the VA was not told that she was fired and that's what's wrong with the situation. Honestly, from the way the girl who talked to the VA told the situation, it didn't seem like a simple "You're not doing your job properly," situation, but that's just what I think.
I never knew this, but now knowing rubs me the wrong way a voice actor got replaced by a bigger voice actor for no apparent reason.
Of course since it happened a while ago and hopefully they'll learn from a bad mistake like that and be more communicative and clear, so it's not like it's gonna ruin the shows for me and i can't watch MD and TADC without thinking about that one situation.
Lets just hope it doesn't happen again to any other hard working VAs 🙏
Glitch productions and SMG4 may be run by the same guys, but they are not the same thing.
One is a full studio with original works, and one is a mario parody animation youtube channel.
The original series the VA's took part of ended ages ago, this is the equivalent of commission fan work, only its run by the same people.
This is not something to flip out about, and has no impact on the inde animation industry.
I think it's kind of reasonable to call it out
@@thesonichero2619 it already was though
What the hell are you even talking about ? "The indie animation industry" ? That's completely irrelevant, it's just incredibly scummy to replace one of your oldest VAs without a farewell message or even a warning... Also SMG4 is wayyy more than just a '"Mario parody channel" in the year 2024, hell half of the characters aren't even from Nintendo anymore. Before the drama happened, Celeste's voicelines had still been used for years at this point, as much as Kevin would like treat SMG4 like a side project, it's still very much a full on business that needs to be handled properly, and officially speaking it still falls under Glitch Productions.
@finixmoon127 that's legally impossible. They couldn't broadcast am episode of SMG4 on television, it's not under the company name.
@@TheRealSuperKirby Literally just make a quick Google search lol, SMG4 is listed as one of the _GLITCH channels_ on the homepage of the _Glitch Productions website_ . The SMG4 merch store is also under the Glitch merch website. It *IS* under the company name, it has been for over 5 years at this point.
This is why I give more appreciation to the directors and artists who are actually doing the work in making these incredible pieces then the company behind them
Idk GLITCH as a company just starts to feel more corporate these days just in general
Yea theyre indie, but
A: still a million dollar production company
And B: as weve seen with other projects before (like Battlestate Games) being an indie company dosent mean jack when it comes to what a company is capable of becoming with improper management or alternative motives (not saying GLITCH is evil btw im just saying my concern for how the company is sorta lookin, trust me I trust GLITCH over a corp like Disney any day)
@@nanotech1921 God, I hope Glitch Productions won't fall down the same deathtrap like how Hollywood and Rooster Teeth did, and I hope that the last episode of Murder Drones (season 1), the rest of The Amazing Digital Circus series and The Gaslight District series dosen't suck ass!
@@keeganmcfarland7507 im sure they wont, GLITCH productions actually produces high quality work which again is all thanks to the wonderful directors, writers, and artists
Its the behind the scenes stuff or the cooperate side is what gets me a tad bit concerned
(Also there is no season 2 of murder drones) 😔
You know what? I want drama. I am going to make a show. All by myself. 0 budget. I am going to fire myself.
Heh, good luck with that.
@@Cheesemaster111 I'm already working on the show.
@@BabyNoob270 what’s it called
@HarveyKinch Coocoobirds. Based off of my book. I haven't even finished like 3 paragraphs. They're both 0 budget.
Good luck buddy
I already saw/heard about that scummy situation of Glitch Productions like a couple of months ago, and even though I've never watched Meta Runners and Sunset Paradise, it's absurd, sad, and scummy that Glitch Productions decides to replace some of the voice actors (like Tari and Meggy for a example) for no reason.🤦♂️
Lucky though, Kevin made a apology note about their workplace.
God, I hope Glitch Productions won't follow the same fate like how ViziePop and Rooster Teeth did.
I also hope that the last episode of Murder Drones (season 1), The Amazing Digital Circus series and The Gaslight District series doesn't suck ass.
The thing is, is that Lizzie had a reason
What did vivziepop did? Also you gmforget that spindle horse is the team that also work on the show as well, and viv might did mistakes but for her is not as bad as what glitch did
I’m guessing Lizzie’s reason was because she was busy with voicing Pomni?
Besides rooster teeth Vivi visipop zaxby doing okay I guess it's this personality wise people don't like her plus I'm pretty sure this will have nothing to affect all of their series my My guy
@@midnightgamer2088it’s the only thing that would make any applicable sense
I just hope they dont have that butch hartman ego
If I were to replace a voice actor, I would state my reason(s) first and then let them know that he have been replaced. Even if said voice actor does respond to the news well, that would still save everyone the confusion of him going in when another has already took his position.
Oh, I was hoping for something new. I want something CRAZY to come out about them, I'm sure somethin will pop up in due time, though.
I understand that metarunner is a really old series but tari has been apart of glitch since the very beginning… like back when smg4 had less than 3 mil.
Meta runner got me into indie animation back when I first watched it in 2019 and it makes me sad seeing Tari being cut like this
Ehhh I don't really trust anything Robin from Anime America says. She's always been so overreactionary and really shame-y of other peoples interests, down to leading her fans to harass the Cells at Work fandom (I was in a discord when suddenly a bunch of "how dare you simp for the Cancer Cell?" types came flooding in... we were confused until we found out Robin and her anti fun followers had sent us a 'love letter'. Then she was surprised when people got angry)
I kind of know about that stuff, but I think it's still fair to listen to her
@@thesonichero2619 I got my info from elsewhere after the vid so you did manage to spread awareness. It's shitty Glitch did that and I really hope they improve. Kinda reminds me of how Vivziepop replaced the HH va's and then didn't invite them to the premier. I love Hazbin Hotel but it was scummy.
I just shared my opinion on your guest for this.
I feel bad for the voice actress because these kinda mistakes are just unacceptable. Hopefully this does not repeat itself
Not every company is perfect
Finally someone thinks Meta Runner and Tari are under requested....You've got yourself another subscriber
This situation depresses me, it's just a massively fucked situation all around especially because it literally went nowhere.
-We never got a true answer as to why Celeste was just so abruptly fired, or why she wasn't given a proper goodbye like Lizzie Freeman after she was no longer meggy's voice actress.
-Celeste has (in her words) "lost love for the industry" because of this situation, which is something really sad to happen to a voice actress, who knows what career she'll have to persue next.
-Glitch productions was seen as the saving grace for indie animators and if stuff like this proceeds to happen then the indie animation industry is doomed.
-Meta runner was one of my favorites and filled me with that "once a show you like ends you feel empty inside" kind of feeling, and to hear all of the issues of glitch productions come from people who worked on meta runner makes me upset.
-The situation unfortunately had to be stopped because someone on twitter was threatening to doxx Kevin and leak his IP address (which might also be Luke's since they are brothers who run a company) as well as people constantly harassing glitch productions workers with death threats (as mentoned in kevin's response)
I remember ever since I gave up on my dreams of being a game designer after learning about how much dogshit video game companies in the industry are, my other idea for a dream job was working at glitch productions. But now ever since this I've tossed that dream job in the trash too and now I've just given up on even having a dream job.
@kirbyandblossomfan100 God, I hope Glitch Productions (alongside with the indie animation industry space) won't follow the same dreadful footsteps like how Hollywood and Rooster Teeth did.
Anyone who threatens the indie animation industry shall be made to walk the plank
The worst part is that it happened when *CLENCH* debuted
I love clench
Surprised I'm not the only one who also hates Clench.
Meta Runner will always be the best, old but gold
Can i got with a day without drama for A FREAKING YEAR?!?
Welcome to reality every day every year every month every week there’s gonna be some chaos around here and we live La La Land
A year? Never. A month? Possibly.
I just don’t understand why Kevin can’t provide an actual answer.
This is old news that was hot when it happened and everyone has tried to grow after the mistakes.
ok?
When I look back at the Murder Drones trailer they made, it was just a bunch of jumbled nonsense. What the characters were saying didn't even fit the scenes, and it was (and is) just generally bad.
But, if you look back at the trailer Liam Vickers made, it's much better and explains the story. (cool music too)
I kind of like it, but it's a little messy
They can't replace one of their main stars like that, and the fact that the va's were friends aswell makes it even worse
They canceled murder drones season two hazbin hotel and helluva boss are getting 4 and 5 seasons respectively meta runner had 3 seasons murder drones can’t get 10 episodes and I’m pissed
5:30 Her Name is Robyn actually
Yeah definitely
I kind of forgot I was just referring to them as their RUclipsr name
It’s like the adventure time sitch with prismo all over again
While I do think ot was a big mistake to replace Celeste without telling her, I believe that it was that, a mistake, I believe Jazmine genuenly forgot to tell her, and Robin didn't handled the situation well if you ask me, quitting on spot instead of asking your boss "Yo, what the hell happened here?" before doing something drastic?, That's wasn't an smart move at all
As for the overworked employees, some of them filled complains on a review page, and Kevin acknowledged them saying that he was genuenly sorry for all that, although he wasn't going to tolerate the slander some of them made against him nor against the artists currently working on GLITCH that are actually enjoying their work there (and yeah, some of those complains called Kevin an abusive leech that only hired artists that were popular despite their talent, which is just plain mean)
And as for the poster, aparently they couldn't port Tari's and SP Meggy's models to the new engine they're using for their current shows without the whole thing imploding on itself so they improvised
One thing im still confused on is did Luke amd Kevin even know since you did say one of them made an apology but it was half assed so kinda confused on that still.
Let’s hope this is a one time thing and not the norm
Dear Lord I know it's going to happen which Productions is going to become just like Rooster Teeth which is not a good thing because that studio is terrible they don't manage things well and in general just take all the boxes for a Bad Company and I really don't want wish to become like that but looking at this it feels like it's going to become like that
Remember kids:
Never meet your villains😇
heroes*
Why would I want to meet my villains
Why not instead teach people how to not become like that in the first place if they wanna run a company.
Teach them how to fear their fans, the fear of consequences, set a high standard for themselves and also study philosophical education to ensure their fans that meet them have a safe interaction with them.
@@abstraction6212 Or you could 🔫
@@abstraction6212but *who’s* going to teach them that? its not like there are experienced people in the industry for hire for advice or anything.
So why not bring back the voice actor if there was no reason to replaced her?
I have something to tell. So their merch is kinda shit too because I ordered a pomni plush and it was supposed to come in like 5 day but it didn’t come. But AS SOON AS I ASKED FOR A REFUND they said it was shipping. Dogshit
this make me dissapointed, Why glitch or kevin didn't told her that she was getting replaced
Kevin probably took no part in this. Jasmine told Luke that Celeste was busy, but Jasmine actually made the change and forgot to tell Celeste.
I believe that if & when there is a Google Doc exposing just how shady GLITCH is, the drama will explode. Between this, the glassdoor reviews, & Collin lasting only a year as a writer for SMG4, there is a ton of shady stuff with GLITCH behind the scenes that we don't even know about, I feel like this Tari ish is just the beginning.
And u actually believed that those glass Door review things are real and not people over exaggerating because I don't know if you know this or not but some people have a tendency to lie or mix of themselves look good or pled of victim. Plus why would someone need to make a Google dog when like you say they have all this stuff with those reviews and stuff like I say if they ever do make sure you don't automatically believe it
I feel like the only reason glitch is even managing to stay relevant is beacuse of murder drones and digital circus(digital circus was I think was boosted by little kids) 😂😂
I remember this I felt so bad for the actor and thought of how much of shitty company glitch was for not even telling the actor that they fired her
What happened definitely sucked, but because of what they're doing for the indie animation industry, and because they were the inspiration of my own career choice, I'll stay on their side until they do something truly horrendous (on purpose)
This confused the hell out of me, and being an OG fan of SMG4 and GLITCH was very dissapointed and upset when I heard the drama. It's just so weird that this happened in the first place, like how do you even replace an important VA like Celeste without any warning ??? Did Jasmine even consult Luke and Kevin before making the call ??? Last time we saw them on camera, Celeste and the rest of the Meta Runner crew were on extremely good terms with them, so it seems really odd for them to just "forget" to inform the VA of the main chararacter of GLITCH's very first series, especially since you'd at least expect them to give her a quick farewell message or something after being a part of the company for so long.
The va situasion just makes me not like glitch as an company, the more i see their merch and all of that the more i fell corporative than indie
Always has been
same. i know they’re an indie studio and all but this situation and other various hints prove money is their top priority. they’re not even acknowledging the series that got them so far in the first place.
I ain't losing hoping that Glitch will apologize to Celeste in the future. But I have to disagree with you on saying Kevin's apology was half-assed since he was inexperienced and overwhelmed when he started the company, plus he acknowledged and apologized to the workers who were overworked by him.
I guess
me when there's 2 songs in the video playing at the same time
Wanted music playing the entire time
This was 4 months ago.
Well, it started around that time
@@thesonichero2619 The dramas over now
if it wasn't for meta runner glitch production would not be where it is today.
I don’t think they’re bad people or scamming company I just think maybe they’re just going a bit too far into the light and I just need a back up a little.. because you keep in mind, it is still a small company. It’s not big as in like Disney or DreamWorks or anything So we shouldn’t just let this sting The studio I mean, everyone’s gonna make mistakes Especially in beginning starting companies so I feel like this can be rather forgiven. They apologize and we should just give them a second chance.
Also meta runner ended, so what else do you want them to do with it? Honestly, I think just having Tari In the background is actually fine, because they at least acknowledge that she is to thank for starting the company.. And honestly I do believe that they are sorry for what they done and I know this is gonna sound controversial but I think maybe the original voice Tari should give glitch another chance because it probably was just bad communication
Damn why is everyone hateing on every thing i watch and love
So.... its not really drama, the one responsible took full responsibility for it and apologized. Thats.... literally it
Honesty, I am sad that MetaRunner and Sunset Paradise are kind of are under the shadow of MD and TADC but I also see where the company is coming from. MD and TADC are what they are mostly know for and those are their biggest works. Do I find it kind of sad that MetaRunners and Sunset Paradise, the founder's own ideas btw, are being overshadowed? Yes- but when you look at it from a business point of view, I still see where they're coming from.
Remember when smg4 just posted stupid and fun videos way back
The have gotten big but not in a good way.
But they're better than Anime America in everyway and her "reviews" led her to many contversy that she literally lost 30k subs on YT.
What did she do?
@@ARStudios2000 She pissed off many anime fans because she doesn't know how to review.
@@Monhamd1000 ah okay
Pathetic, we wine and wine about the industry and how indie is "different", When they (indie) have done things that are the same as corporate animation.
Not everybody's like this
@@bibibaksh3156 Besides, indie animation is supposed to compete with Hollywood, not emulate Hollywood!
Mortals- do you really think indie products will be better than AAA products? Foolish and stupidity
Right that is what I'm trying say.
@@yalovoyhznepomnyyou think you’re so superior to everyone else that you call them mortals. as someone who agrees on the fact that indie studios can also be very corporate, you are giving people like us who have this mindset a bad name. pure foolishness and immaturity.
I use to be a huge fan of them but well, before the drama started I noticed they are a bit.. money hungry you know? at least in my opinion. it that they are grouping themself with small shows despite being extremely popular also.
That what why I don't want to watch smg4 any more
Yeah I get that but tbh it was more kevin than lukes fault
I really hope that glitch Productions doesn't keep doing this because if they keep on doing this they'll become like Rooster Teeth and they'll die out due to all of their flaws mistakes
Yeah hopefully i really don't want them to fail and make everyone stop supporting indie animation for the next 4 - 5 years again
im so glad Cary huang dosen't make an mistake AND NOT AN ASSHOLE TO THE VOICE ACTOR !
Do i care about glitch and their shows? No not really but honestly it’s kinda just weird that they randomly dropped a VA without even telling her or the other actors with it really being unprofessional imo
I think it was just a horrible bad mistake, I hope they can like save this yk and not fuck up again. I don’t think Luke and Kevin are bad people I think they got to much in their head and maybe it got so big that management just went bad. I feel bad for the voice actors in this tho :[
Okay I get your points.
Anyways...
*Pointing a gun at myself*
I'm can't take this anymore!
I think Luke and Kevin just became bad and selfish people.
Well
I honestly think it is bs that they did fire her, but besides my opinion, it isn't that hard to let someone know that they're fired.
You would be surprised sometimes people tend to forget or overreact,
SMG4 fell off a WHILE ago anyway, ngl.
W glitch. They make the best series's.
Glitch productions: releases a new series
2 Secs later: *THE PORNOGRAPHY HAS ALREADY BREACHED OUR DEFENCES*
Why glitch discord server is full of money? Can we allow it for free?
On one side: they need money to pay their Animator and animation
On the other side: well we can feel we starting a corporate feel
@@achillelevivier1680 yea was thinking about on side
Literally every company is shit nowadays but never expected glitch to be exposed before
Ok I actually did expect that
"Never expected Glitch
Ok i actually did expect than"
Since they forgot about MR's 5th anniversary & ended up promoting those damn TADC mini figures instead during the same day it happened isn't some sheer coincidence.
They can't just randomly ignore a legacy show that started their entire studio since the very beginning. They should've done something for it.
It feels so heartless & soulless of them. Why would they do such a thing to their sister's own creation that got them to this point?
If late to the party was a youtube video:
Like cmon bruh... what was the point? It sucked but its resolved, why does this need another discussion unless there was another mamagement screwup?
Because I felt like making this bro go back to watching Lanky Box
@@thesonichero2619 ?
What gave you the impression Id watch that garbage? Im sorry but this seems immensely pointless as a video considering its already been resolved.
Again, is there an actual situation as of current that would put the management under question and see a need for this to be brought into the light?
More drama?
I like your exp glitch exploit methods
The real problem is that they have turned into visvsipop levels of conent
With them releasing epesodes ever few months or if were unlikely 5-7 months apart when befor they used to fo epesodes every week until the season was over
Nowadays they cant even put out an epesode in 2 months
I get it, animation is expensive but that wasn't a problem back then, why is it a problem now?
I guess they're just trying to follow the trend
Yeah that sucks like dang
That’s why I no longer watch smg4 I focus more on the glitch production stuff unrelated to smg4 like murder drones which was only a advertised for one video and actually was not that bad for its pilot like I was okay with the heavy death count
😢 they have never talked about it to this day
bro u sound like turkey tom
smg4 is dead for years
Hahahaha
Love it
Scp 173
Glitch is glitching as always
Glitch productions is already falling its scary…
You, glitch and everyone were the biggest problems here
How I wasn't even involved in this deeply
I liked glitch until fucking murder drones came then it was horrible
Yep luke and Kevin actually was the biggest created mistake everything in behind the scenes of glitch Productions is completely messed up and luke and Kevin why are you going to say both of you yourself
Did you have a stroke reading this.
put this through grammarly: Yep, Luke and Kevin were actually the biggest mistakes created. Everything behind the scenes of Glitch Productions is completely messed up, and Luke and Kevin, what are you going to say to both of you yourself?
Being cringe
4 year old
You didn't watch the video
@@Void-r3b (says the 5 yo)
@@Partly_Mossy_Man which means I'm older and thus better than you
Smg4 is bad 👎