The Humans in Enterprise were quite cock-sure and arrogant to start with which is a good thing and bad and they demonstrated it well during the series. Archer butted heads with the Vulcans because he felt they were holding humanity back and treating them like Kids with a firearm... But in essence the Vulcans were kind of right. Earth had no idea about some of the dangers out in space and Archer admits this to the Challenger's Captain in Season 2. He says maybe they were right, there's a reason they are putting more phase cannons on the Challenger. When Archer nearly costs Malcolm and Travis their lives over pride trying to grapple the shuttlepod, T'pol has to convince him there is no shame in asking for help from the Vulcans who have a tractor beam. It was a small step that showed the Vulcans we weren't just reckless, but passionate and willing to compromise.
joe grimes: Whilst I agree the Vulcans were doing what they thought was right humanity had to get out there eventually. If you don’t let a child try and fail then they’ll never learn.
The idiotic Vulcans did not give Humanity the chance to fail, and thus wrested their chance to succeed. Had the Vulcans told Humans the secrets of the universe things would have been very different and Vulcan might have been able to absorb Humanity. The Vulcans are just lucky Humanity allied with them instead of giving them double middles, forming a coalition with the Andorians and Tellarites, then wiping them off the face of the universe which is more than they deserve. Vulcans have caused nothing but problems for every other race in the galaxy, (see Romulans); Big Rod intended for Vulcans to be the example for what Humans should not do when we reach the stars.
@jckbchr discovery had the pontential to be amazing but failed misserable, all the plot holes, dumb arguments full focus on Michael as the only character doom it S3 recovery from that a bit, show consistency and at least some coherence, so i think it deserves a 4th season I watched ST enterprise and i really like it its among my favorites now, just the ending was... pathetic
We used to curse Brannon Braga back then but he's 100 times better than the Kurzman/Orci/Abrams disaster troika. It pains me to say it, but bring back Rick Berman and the Braga!
@@man8785 i think he did a very nice job with his character, well exacuted and you can see how he evolves an learn about space exploration and comanding a ship
Maybe I’m a minority, but I enjoyed Enterprise. It had grit, humor, sad moments, intense moments, scary moments, action, and exploring that period before the Federation came to be. I wish they did another season.
I'm one of the weirdos who loved ENT, and even if the first two seasons took a bit to get off, as said, it did have winners in those too. By the time of 4, we could have easily made it to 7. With the Earth-Romulan War, and the planned occasional forays into the Mirror Universe (which were fantastic, people loved em - and so many people only died because they only had two episodes to work with), and the other mini-arcs shown, it would have been a fantastic run all the way through. Shame.
"The Vulcans had been written very poorly in the first two seasons..." I disagree. I guess some people were upset to see the more complex, more realistic portrayal of Vulcans in _Enterprise_ as a race like any other that has its own priorities and is ruled by self-interest. To see Vulcans as less than saintly seems to be an unsettling experience for some fans, but I thought it was great. _Enterprise_ showed that the relationship between humans and Vulcans was complex, and often tense, but that _both races_ benefitted from the partnership. Vulcans became better people because they met humans.
Yes! I loved that the Vulcans were their own persons, rather than the representation of logic that Spock always was. The best was the conversation between the ambassador and Admiral Forest in season 4.
Totally agree. As my dad always said (someone who was a Trek fan since TOS first aired) there had to be a reason why Earth ended up the centre of the Federation, rather than Vulcan. If the Vulcans were so perfect, they should have been the race that created the Federation. But somehow, it was humanity. It made sense that the Vulcans were flawed in the past, just like everyone else. IF Enterprise did one thing well - right from season one - it was that it made humanity a catalyst that brought the existing, opposing factions together. It wasn't superior technology that formed the Federation, it was optimism.
I completely agree! The idea that the Vulcans had to embrace their stoic philosophy out of necessity was brilliant. It portrayed them as inherently impulsive and emotional, and they required a quasi-religious commitment to logic to prevent self-destruction.
Helbore Well your dad was correct. I watched Dr Who and Star Trek on a B&W television. I had to made a antenna out of a coat hanger. In order to watch them .
violent vulcans, TPaul and Trip relation, being a prequel, not enough explosions... that's what some people didn't like. Enterprise was a very enjoyable show.
@@darkwolf1202 the relationship between the crew and story was enough for me, I love the intro and music while a lot hated it. I wish they come back to the series again.
I've just watched all four seasons again, apart from a couple of boring episodes which could be true for all versions of the ST franchise, Enterprise is one of my favourite versions.. Unlikely but I would love to see more from Capt Archer & Enterprise in the future..
One day it will happen, but unfortunately maybe not for another 15 years until deep fakes and machine learning AI can give us a true rendition, perhaps with the help of the surviving cast if they finish the last 3 seasons using their voices. It would be a lovely homage to a series that should never have ended.
I agree, I think the reason some people don't like it, is due to the uniform look too different from the original series and next generation, so they can't relate. And there are some Next Generation episode that was really boring, where it was more like soap drama day to day life on a starship. Enterprise the entire series is semi at war.
sergio basilioli: It still could. They're all still alive, and, I don't know that anyone is doing anything more important. Now, if it weren't for that pesky licensing issue.
@@frankreynolds445 STD is a completely different animal. Voyager and Enterprise, for all their faults, didn't differ so massively from what preceded them (I realize that was by necessity of the license agreement, so, I'm not as mad about it anymore, but, I still don't like it) as to make it unwatchable. Voyager didn't make a big deal about having a female captain. They just had one, and that was it. The female chief engineer wasn't a big deal; the fact that she was perpetually unhappy, was much bigger of a deal. Seven of Nine saving the ship with nanoprobes every other episode was the most annoying part, at least, for me. I'll still watch it, though. Enterprise was much less diverse, but, people found other reasons to hate it, and, that was fine. There are some good episodes, some great episodes, some okay episodes, and some completely unwatchable episodes. That's the case with every series. (Despite TNG being my favorite series, I will not watch "In Theory" ever again if I don't have to.) Disco is unwatchable, from Star to finish. Written, produced and performed by virtue-signaling SJWs, they didn't even bother to write a decent story, get more than one decent actor (if even that), or set up their version of the universe in a way that makes sense (SONAR in space, anyone?). I hate Disco, and am far from being an idiot.
For me one of the best things about Enterprise was how much Archer changed as the show progressed, more so than the other captains IMO. From a wide eyed, enthusiastic adventurer to this really quite cynical and more aggressive character.
He explained several times as he saw his own change "it seems like anywhere we go in this galaxy, we are greeted with shields raised and phasers locked". It was essentially all the other species in the galaxy that made him realize he needed to walk slowly, but with a big stick.
Me too! I did sort of like how the used the chef role to talk to the crew, but when they killed off Commander Charles Tucker the Third, I was super pissed. Even though it was a TNG episode (which sort of ruined it) at least they used a real TNG episode. It could have been way better if they had just made it that same story but not TNG, no dying, only "absences" (like in DS9) and just continue to explore space and each other rather than fuck it all up. The. only good bit was the end scene with all the Enterprises (mostly).
Same.. there are always a few episodes i like less in every season but overall i don’t think enterprise was bad at all. I’d have to say it’s defenitely up there..
I disagree with your assessment on how the Vulcans were portrayed. I thought it was great how it wasn't just Humans who benefited from first contact, but the Vulcans did too. Humans helped them become more true to themselves. This then explains why Vulcans and Humans are so close in the future.
To be fair, that might have been a good way to take things. That Vulcans and Humans changed each other for the better. That humans benefitted from the wisdom of the Vulcans, and that the Vulcans learned how to better relate with other species, accepting that they had something to learn from them. But that's not how the show handled it. The Vulcans were always like their later portrayal, it's just that they betrayed Suraks teachings. Humans didn't help them become better, they just helped them find Surak. I did like those episodes, but you're idea would have been better.
Andorians are our real friends. When Earth was attacked it was the Andorians that came to our aid while the Vulcans did nothing. Then they had the never to bitch about Archer not doing enough to save their ship of psychotic zombies. Assholes. #ShranForLife!
For the longest time I just couldn't get into this series. I tried and tried but just couldn't do it. Then recently I decided to pick it up again. I'm glad I did. I absolutely devoured it. It wasn't the federation I knew and loved because well, it's not the federation. Not yet. This is how we got there.
Seasons 3&4 we’re brilliant. By the start of season 4 Captain Archer was quickly becoming the best Captain since James T Kirk. If Enterprise had gotten 7 seasons like the rest of the 80s & 90s Star Trek I believe it could have been the best of all the other series and possibly gotten at least one Movie
The Xindi story arc was kind of dumb. I hated the whole stupid thing where the Xindi had like 5 races and shit I thought it was stupid. That's not how evolution works!
@@EddyA1337 Evolution doesn't "work" in any way, it's a matter of chance and survival. Humans and Neanderthals co-existed on Earth. Neanderthals and other hominids would still be alive today if they migrated away from humans. Whales have have systems for processing complex emotions beyond our comprehension and ability. Communicating with whales and other complex life through technology is a real possibility in the near future.
@@thevoiceofthefleurieu614 What became Star Trek was heavily contributed to in the original show by both cast and crew. Roddenberry laid the keel and he gets his name on the show for it.
Star Trek Enterprise was actually the first series of Star Trek I watched in its completion. I really loved the politics of the series, especially considering that it was set during a time when the various alien species were not unified in any way and thus really did appear as though they were living in a bigger, less homogenized quadrant of the galaxy. I particularly loved how the captain was in a conflict between his friendship with the Andorians and his resentment but nonetheless reliance on the Vulcans who were acting as gatekeepers and perhaps even as a shadow government to mankind's presence in space. We really got to see a bit more of the dark side of the Star Trek universe through this series too - many topics were covered in it by proxy - terrorism, drugs, discrimination, warfare and its effects and they were not done for pure ideological reasons they just naturally blossomed from the show's episodes and interlinked very well. The show had effort behind it and I think, with the exception of the last couple of episodes in the 4th season (which were not great) it was a very good series and should have continued.
It's first two seasons were a really bland attempt to recreate TNG in a different setting. Mostly laughable and really predictable. Seasons 3 and 4 really kicked it into gear though. It would probably have been remembered as one of the better series if it had lasted seven seasons as was kind of standard for ST.
The reason Enterprise failed is due to Star Trek itself. TNG created a federation utopia defined by rules and values. Enterprise was more about exploration and the unknown, not just exploration of space but of humanity before the federation. I really cannot understand why people don't like enterprise. I love watching the crew develop from naïve humans who the vulcans perceive as children to a proven force in the galaxy. It generally felt good watching archer prove himself to the vulcans and ultimately gain their respect. That's good story telling, period. Obviously, the utopia that Star Trek predicted hasn't really panned out how we expected, and now more than ever I think enterprise deserves a reboot. It would definitely appeal to todays audience. In addition, a pre-prequal about Zefren Cochrane would be good too.
I never watched a Star Trek show before 2020 or so. Not even once and binged almost all of it. and I don’t get why this show was considered bad at all. “VOYAGER” is easily the worst. Every episode was like torture to watch. TNG and DSN9 are of course the best, but I put this one right after them. One thing I liked is how becuase this was much more back in time the ship felt a lot more metallic and military on the inside, like a submarine. Compared to TNG enterprise that looks like a Ramada Inn conference center. “Enterprise” really felt grounded and plausible. It’s basically a sequel to “first contact” in a lot of ways.
@@thevictoryoverhimself7298I agree. I even liked the "pompous Vulcans". I mean your dealing with a race that tries to purge all emotions. Of course the average Vulcan will treat the average human as a child.
I think we should leave it at that. It was an OK prequel but the Star Trek writers were burned out by 2001. You can see the warning signs already in the last season of Voyager in the stand-alone episodes. It is just they had a developed outline on how it ends years ahead of time. Making a fresh new show in a different time a setting to be aired only a few months after finishing Voyager would have been exhausting. Especially right after making DS9 and Voyager with most seasons airing concurrently. Not to mention DS9 aired only 2 years after TNG ended. And I am not even counting all the Star Trek movies made in the 80s-2000's. It had a good premise but a not so good execution. But I appreciate its call backs to TOS and TNG to the point where I get excited when they mention something that happened in this time period that Captain Archer was involved in.
We don’t have the utopia yet, but then the backstory assumes a massive nuclear war that kills most of humanity as a precursor to that utopia. So anywhooo….
I also agree, very good assessment. I also agree that the third season was the best. And people have to stop blaming Scott Bacula for "ruining the franchise". Yes, I'm talking to you Futurama people. :)
sorry but wrong. the torpedoes prior to Ent going into he expanse was equipped with nuclear warheads, not photons... They only received the photons after the Vulcans gave it to them for such a dangerous mission into the expanse. The future people disrupting the timeline are what changed canon a bit, and it works quite well
That was sure the direction it was heading. They would had been able to explain that the death of Trip was fabricated by Section 31. The Star Trek Enterprise novels spent quite a bit of time on the Romulan war.
Every day I get more and more sad that we didn't get at least one more season of Enterprise. From what I've heard of what Season 5 COULD have been, it sounds amazing! The Romulan-Earth War, the Borg returning from season 2, even more expedition to the Star Trek mythos, the refit of the NX-01 Enterprise, a continuation of "In a Mirror, Darkly", "ancestor" cameos of TOS, and much much more. I dare say, we were robbed of a great season. I will always love The Next Generation since I grew up with that series, but Enterprise has to be my favorite Star Trek series ever and so far, the last Star Trek show that followed, or at least tried to follow, Gene's vision. Thank goodness the Spirit of Star Trek lives on in The Orville, surprisingly!
+Josef Nagy What sucks, is that I see just enough of Nick Meyer, to really bring home what a waste of potential that show is 😞 On the other hand, I really, really, reeeeaaaally hope the rumors are true, that hes developing his own 'correct' ST spinoff.
The one thing i dislike about enterprise is the last episode. I think they should ended the show with the real cast instead of them being hologram. And why did they have to kill trip. I love him
Trillium Burbank the series was loosing funding and they had to make the end abrupt. They were going to make another season where the enterprise gets a refit and looks more like the original series enterprise
i would have preferred they went on for the full 7 season run and more organically linked up with the TOS era, maybe had at least a whole season with the newly formed Federation
I honestly think "Terra Prime" is a better finale for the series. "These Are The Voyages" was just intended as a bonus episode and "fan service" as the show was already cancelled. They just added the part with Trip being killed for some cheap drama. Had the show been renewed for a 5th Season they would never have done that episode.
I think we're asking the wrong question. The question is, "Is enterprise Star Trek or not?" and the fact that it's underrated by some fans doesn't really matter. I can say that after the venture, Star Trek was felt only in Orville and a little bit in Axanar.
ENT wasn't given a chance by a lot of fans. Many were turned off by the prequel setting, like myself. I wanted and still want, a show set after Nemesis. Many were burned out on Trek after so many shows and movies by that point. That all said, I wish they would have given it another chance. It had a good core, good chemistry, and it had a ton of potential. As much as any of the other series. And Bakula was perfect.
Speaking for myself, I gave it a season and a half. I found the writing 'alright', the stories were serviceable. My problem was the characters. I couldn't find anything of interest in any of the characters. Characters that were't flat and boring, were just annoying.
@@michaelcividanes2930 ditto for me. I tried to like it and just couldn't because the characters held no real depth and interest. It just seemed like a bunch of actors playing Star Trek. The show was definitely missing something.
i was glad when they set it in the 22nd century because i wanted to know what happened in between the launch of the phoenix and the original Constitution class Enterprise
the time period is interesting in theory. And, in theory, there should be lots of formidable and relevant stories and situations to tell. And I will say they had those stories. But the problem was still the characters. There is just no one in the cast I'm interested in or any interest in seeing challenged.
@@michaelcividanes2930 i quite liked the cast, i though archer was an interesting captain, and TPol explored the nature of being a vulcan in ways never before seen and Hoshi, well whats not to love about Hoshi? the crew to me reacted in a manner one would expect of a race that was new to deep space exploration
Considering the other Star Trek shows, it's really sad that Enterprise didn't make it past Season 4. The best was probably yet to come (and we would've been spared the terrible finale).
As a recent United States Navy submariner, I loved the ship and gritty, rough feel to it. Except for the elevator in the engine room, it looked and felt right and lived in, in ways that Star Trek doesn't do on their ships.
I'm a comercial mariner, and an engineer. Some comercial ships do have a lift down to the engine room, but it's mostly built for conveinance, it makes it simpler to get larger stuff in and out of the engine rooms. Like a new/old cylinder head etc. But if a lift doesn't exist, it's lifted out of a hatchet that goes up to the upper decks.
HUMANS NEED LOGIC The problem isTNG fans. They are typically autistic nerds and hate change. The only Sci fi they watch or read is Star Trek TNG and it’s direct spin offs. I would rate Enterprise as as good as TNG and at times, better. TNG had too many boy scouts, there I said it.
I will never understand anybody's beef with this series. I loved every episode from theme song to credits. The fact that the show ended after the fourth season is a crime.
I agree that after Enterprise found its legs, it was rapidly becoming one of the best of the franchise & truly deserved to continue. I would also like to add that I thought that the cast, and likewise the crew of the Enterprise are among the most likable to be found in the franchise. However, IMHO, I couldn’t stand that insipid theme song. It wasn’t the lyrics; they were fine. But the whiny 90s campfire song, voice and melody just didn’t provide enough grandeur and enthusiasm. Overall my hierarchy among the real Star Trek series remains: DS9, Enterprise, TOS, TNG, with Voyager limping along at the tail (probably because of the skin tight Danskins and the high heels).
I didn't even know STE existed until I accidentally came across it on Netflix in 2012. I did something I never did before, I binge watched the whole series and then started the whole thing over again. I think Enterprise brought together the experience of the whole franchise in one show. The characters seemed imperfect and real, nobody was supposed to know what they were doing as none of it had been done before. They were out of their element and making do the best they can. Bakula was acceptable for the role but the writers never figured out how to use his talents. The dog was a good idea, like the baseball in Cisco's office, but Scott never really pulled it off or the writers didn't develop it. In fact I think the writers are the ones who screwed up the show for so many by not writing to the actor's strengths in general. The actors should have been encouraged to develop their characters more for themselves. Thats where you get things like the famous Vulcan greeting.. nanu nanu I think it was... I even like the title song, gritty, real and quaint, a theme for the show. But then who am I to talk? I think Stargate Universe was the best scifi ever and I'd like to stomp on the foot of whoever kept us from finding out the truth of the background radiation. I'm waiting for some creative genius to make the next wonder, the next Stargate, the next Firefly. A world I could take part in. I would barf on the bridge of Discovery and go off to become a bartender on Risa. It's difficult to find the scifi on the Sexually Transmitted Disease STD hidden between the steaming piles of social justice. Please, somebody, go forth and create a new scifi for Saturday children's show like Farscape before my brain goes completely numb from being treated like I'm incapable of understanding the most basic concepts of anything.
Star Trek discovery isn't that bad once you get used to it, it does get better in season 2. What we really need is the original star trek show rebooted with the crew from the Abrams movies. I know shoot me to hell with lensflares for even suggesting it, but I really like the actors in the Abrams reboots, plus the fact they look like the original crew.
@@bluebull399 ...Saying STD isn't that bad once you get used to it...is like saying having barbed wire shoved up your bootay repeatedly isn't that painful once you get used to and you have no feeling left back there.
For all its shortcomings, I like Enterprise because the Vulcan culture origin story is awesome, and as much as Bakula's character is borderline cringe cheesy, his relationship w/ the Andorians was great.
I loved Star Trek Enterprise. It started slow because they developed the characters. I really think it is the most dismissed Star Trek and I like Archer as Captain. They also had more leeway to cuss.
Its funny how the more new stuff comes out, people become reflective and apologetic for their opinions of stuff they denounced before. New Star Wars makes the prequels seem better, New Star Trek makes Enterprise look good. We are seeing the collective lowering of our media entertainment standards in real time.
I agree but as I stated in a previous reply it was good if you could remove yourself from thinking it was part of ST but as soon as you woke up and realized this was part of the ST universe, and damn it should be canon, it sucked balls. Now we have Discovery and that is the final straw the franchise/universe is dead to me after watching it since 1974 (the first year that TOS went into syndication).
Yes, I perform the same mental gymnastic that allows me to enjoy the Alien Resurrection film. But the reason we require this mental divide is because the new material is out of place, contradictory or takes the narrative in a displeasing direction. Often the product can be so far removed in it's execution that it might as well be a different thing (see the new possibility of a black female James Bond). This extra piece of work on the audience's part only comes with adamance to enjoy the piece after disappointment is endured. Maybe studios should provide the caveat: "Enjoy the new 'pop culture instalment'. Warning: Fans of the original may wish to engage their cognitive dissonance gland".
I 100% agree and I am tired of this SJW nonsense being shoved down my throat in movies and on TV. I had read a black James Bond and that set me off because if you are a spy you wish to blend in and in most parts of the world Black does not blend in. Now if that wasn't bad enough it has to be a Female Black Bond. They fucked over my Doctor Who now, fucked over my Star Trek, fucked over my Star Wars, and now my Bond. Honestly I no longer watch TV (back in 1991 I was up to 105+ hours per week and I am not kidding) to 0 hours now. I watch only TCM for the good movies pre 2000's and I am selective at that. I don't go to the theater because there is no way in hell I would pay 11 dollars to watch the current Hollywood. Hell, even my classic movies I grew up with Hollywood has raped them with reboots (Death Wish is the newest reboot) and they all fail miserably but Hollywood just keeps churning them out instead of having any original thoughts/scripts only we get to see the same movie with modern actors in it and ALWAYS with a social justice theme. I am fed up.
I think it's just that they're being drastically lowered now, so we're looking back at the good parts of what were previously considered utterly terrible. Like you said, the Star Wars prequels. Everyone thinks they're terrible. I grew up watching every Star Wars movie, so I try to find the best parts of all of them, but the Star Wars community pretty much universally hates the prequels. Now, those who love the new movies still hate them. Those that hate the new ones (like me) either still hate them, or are looking back to see that they're actually pretty good in comparison. Same with Star Trek. Discovery has torn a hole in the franchise bigger than even the JJ Abrams movies, because it's set in the PRIME universe! It's made the franchise collapse on itself because it's just a bunch of fans fighting over what's good and what's not now. Some like the original stuff, some like the Abramsverse, some like Disco for some reason. I prefer to think of it as a new audience with a new (I'd say diminished) perspective on the respective franchises, and that new audience is driving what happens now and what happens moving forward. I hate it, but there's nothing I can do about it.
@ Best Stooge There are good movies being made, they're just not what Hollywood thinks is its A material. When you get away from the sequels, prequels, reboots, "re-imaginings" and look at what people are doing at the fringes of the industry, there's still opportunity to make good films. This last year saw such fare as "Baby Driver" and "The Shape of Water", which are criminally under-rated.
I heard for years that Enterprise was so bad that it basically poisoned any chance for further Star Trek TV series. Recently, I watched it myself and I sincerely have no clue where that opinion could have come from. The series is, at worst, cheap at times. Meaning, it would use the sex and CGI to try and reel in fans, rather than just relying on good acting and writing. How many times do we need to see them oiling each other down in decontamination? My guess is that some people at CBS don’t understand the phenomenon of Star Trek and rather than market this show accordingly, they flubbed it and blamed it on the Enterprise production. This show is not the problem, though.
I liked Enterprise. It was the first Trek since TNG where I liked (or at least appreciated) the entire cast. I was a bit sad that it got cancelled before its time. Now we're stuck with that abomination called Discovery.
The problem with Enterprise was Branon Braga. The smartest thing he ever did was bring on Manny Cotto. Braga was too wrapped up in TNG to really do a prequel worthy of TOS. Think Braga even said he never saw TOS. Cotto knew every inch of TOS and if he was brought on in the begining Enterprise would have been a very different and far superior show than what we got.
I was really hoping they would have let Trip and T'Pol become a relatively famous couple and dealt with the problems they would have being one of the first public interspecies couples within the Federation (maybe even inspiring Sarek to consider marrying a human.)
Didn't help that this aired on a new network. I didn't even have a station that reached me where I live. I had to contact Dish Network to get UPN out of New York, and I live in Oklahoma.
I liked Enterprise, those clumsy first steps of the humans out in the great unknown, humans that dont behave that much different like we do today (unlike TOS or TNG). They are underdogs in the universe, the tech is garbage and they have no experiance, but we know, they will become the cornerstone of the Federation.
Sternencolonel: Ineed. A lot of Trek fans missed the point that Archer began as more flawed character than Kirk because he's the first human to explore space like this and the Vulcans were not exactly possible role models either. But that doesn't give STD an excuse for making their leads far less than ideal.
I totally agree. The show had weakpoints, but overall I greatly enjoyed it and appreciated the stories, themes, and foundation it brought to the golden age of Star Trek. I don't know if we'll ever see Star Trek like we used to again.
That"s one aspect of Enterprise that I admired, that it acknowledged the learning curve that Humans were experiencing in those earlier days of warp exploration. After years of TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY I think some fans were disappointed with the scaled down nature of the show.
Enterprise was the best series on my book. They only botched 2 things: when they added the percussions to the music theme and made it pop sounding rather than acoustic, and the last 2-3 episodes which ruined the finale. Other than that it was action packed, rugged and realistic.
Agree completely. Should have had at LEAST one more season. T'Pol was a great character and provided a strong dynamic in her relationships with Trip and Archer. But have not seen anything of Jolene Blalock or most of the rest of the cast since. BTW, the first 2 or 3 seasons of TNG weren't all that either.
Nah, Season 3 of TNG was one of the better ones: The Enemy, Yesterday's Enterprise, Sins of the Father, The Defector, Sarek, Booby Trap, BoBW part 1 (best episode in TNG, IMO). First season where the (better) episode's where able to play of the strengths of the characters / actors. S1 was the stinker, S2 was not there yet, but not too bad.
I'm rewatching TNG now, saw the first 15 episodes of S1. There are 3 or 4 decent ones (Datalore, Justice, Too Short A Season for example), but the rest are either very boring and forgettable or downright unwatchable. The first season of TNG did not age well at all. I haven't watched Enterprise ever since it ended, but I remember mostly liking even the first and the second seasons. I liked it much than Voyager.
I like how as the show went on T'pol became a little more "human". I thought she did a great job portraying a Vulcan who after living among humans came to see their qualities. I also found it interesting that Vulcans were afraid of Humans because Humans were able to accomplish in a a couple hundred years what took most other species thousands of years.
The thing that hurt the Trek franchise the most were the lackluster TNG movies. TNG tv episodes set up cool bad guys: established Q, the Borg, and eluded to a Romulan war that never materialized. We got an ok Borg movie with First Contact but I can’t remember what the others really had to do with anything. Some romulan cloning nonsense and something else about ribbons and some other thing about data being a flotation device. The movies sucked and killed anything regarding their world moving forward. Prequels happen when you need to reboot or you run out of material. STD’s different take could easily have taken place after TNG but making it a prequel already stops it from being something more. Plus there’s not one semi likable character in the show.
Production wise STD should be a winner but I think you're correct in your judgement, it's the characters, I don't like any of them either. Star Trek - The movie (Abrams reboot) was awesome, better than all the TNG movies. I say this as a massive TNG fan.
I wouldn't said Q were the bad guys, but as an antagonist to push humanity, Picard mostly out the comfort zone, like giving a bloody nose to the main characters pride and ego and thinking of the larger picture with all things finale.
Enterprise was a very, very good Star Trek Series, almost as good as the original Star Trek. However the Series Final Episode in year number 4 was not only a disaster for Star Trek Enterprise Series and fans alike but I'd say it was the death blow to the Star Trek Franchise as a whole. They killed off any credibility of a future for Star Trek Incorporated.
The first couple seasons proved why it was such a good show. The first season of TNG is near unwatchable. DS9’s first couple seasons were a mess. Voyager sucked until the Kazon storyline ended. Enterprise was good from the first episode.
Oh boy, the first season of TNG, got to watch Deanna say very possibly a hundred times "Oh pain, pain, enormous pain". Can't think of 7 shows in the first season that were any good, maybe 3?.
How exactly is the first season of Ds9 "a mess"? Sure it has a lot of boring duds, but it's narrative remains comprehensible not to mention it has easily the strongest, most emotionally fuelled pilot of any of the shows.
@@astrog8tr TNG was all talk blah blah yada yada . The first few episodes I was always waiting for Picard to get killed so Riker would become Captain and then we might get some action going. Couldn't watch the whole thing even though I liked some characters. Enterprise is my favorite, (not the theme song) I liked the use of the shuttle instead of beaming everywhere. Archer making tough sometimes brutal decisions to complete the mission and keep the crew alive, while being the only human ship in deep space, T'Pol's drug addiction and more ...
I at first did not Enterprise, but it grew on me after rewatching. The first two seasons may have been weak, they tried an episodic approach that was hit and miss. T'Pol's role grew on me as it highlighted tension between humanity and Vulcan while displaying the potential perfect union of humanities's ambition with the cautious approach of the Vulcan's. T'Pol's caution when Archer wanted to camp out on a uncharted planet, her warning of interferance with pre-warp societies were ignored by Archer but showed to be correct as the events of such episodes unfolded.
I personally loved Star Trek Enterprise and was very very angry it was cancelled, but CBS still got their pound of flesh from me, because I bought all the various DVD's and Blue-rays sold. As for the Discovery non ST series, I have never seen such a CockUp in all my years of watching the series. From its first showing in the UK, we saw stories of humanity and hope for a better future. STDisease shows a future devoid of hope, with characters and beloved racers turned into mutant creatures for the sake of a half baked storyline. THIS IS NOT STAR TREK, EVER.
Exactly my opinion. If it ain't Star Trek, don't call it that. Personally I think of Discovery as just lazy. They wouldn't care to engage any true Trek fans as writers, so they just come up with their own mythos.
Steve Bergman I'm the same way, especially about movies I paid for but have a digital bug in them so I can't reuse them. BTW: Watch out for those Pirates, use lots of digital penicillin 😎
DarMok Channel I feel you, brother. Part of what originally excited me about the show was that Captain Kirk was a Boy Scout, a Marshall, going about the stars righting wrongs and aiding the innocent. Meeting strange people, drinking Romulan Ale, and porking green ladies. I guess we're now supposed to forget coming to each other's aid and hunker down with our AKs blasting anything that we feel the least threatened by... let WWIII commence?!
DarMok Channel i enjoyed it but you are 100% correct... maybe i was just happy to have any ST on tv at all. Lets see what they do for the next season or 2, maybe they will hit the ground running.
My personal favorite series from star trek. And I enjoyed the first season's when they were struggling to set up the ship along the way. I liked that because it really felt like they were trying things for the first time.
I loved the Xendi arc of season 3 because the stakes where the highest, and the only way to ensure the survival of the human race was to send Archer and Co after them. I also liked seeing the Macos, because they were like Starfleet Marines. I also liked seeing the conflict between Reed and Hayes. I liked seeing Archer struggling with his morals, and the Trip TPol romance,
I think enterprise maintained the highest level of quality of any star trek series. It's not the best overall, in my opinion, but off the top of my head I can't think of a single episode of enterprise which I'd skip because of how bad it is. No one turns into a child, or fucks a ghost, or has to play hopscotch, or gets stuck in a virtual reality with a creepy mime, or is forced to ride William shatner around a courtroom like a horse. Malcolm says t'pol's bum is "awfully nice" at one point, I think that's the most I cringed at any point throughout the whole show.
@@subraxas My point was about an episode so bad, you'd skip it and his "most cringeworthy moment". Dear Doctor is awful, both on the science and the drama. It's arguably worse the Threshold, because that episode is about a fantasy reaction to a fantasy speed limit. Dear Doctor mangles evolution beyond recognition and uses it as an excuse to let people die.
@Carl Rood :-D Funny thing is that Dear Doctor was one of the highest rated episodes of S1 by professional critics, and at the same time, they panned S1's Silent Enemy which is one of my most favourite outings of that given season. To me, Dear Doctor is a decent episode with an interesting premise that is not handled to its best potential and that foreshadows the future creation of Prime Directive. I do not dislike it but I also do not cherish it.
My favorite episode was Judgement. My favorite scene in that episode was when Archer and his Klingon attorney were discussing the pasta of Earth and Kronos. The scene felt so real and so human. I suggest you watch that episode and pay very close attention to that scene.
Unfortunately "Dear Doctor" is an example of the network ruining something that could have been interesting. The writers wanted Phlox to keep the cure a secret from Archer, to highlight his alien sensibility, but instead they were forced to make Archer look like a callous fool (again).
Alright, listen. ST:ENT was an excellent show, and even the first two seasons were great, but the tone was murdered by timing. You see, it basically premiered on 9/11. They had already filmed most of the first season, but the entire world changed on them. Most of their stories seemed out of date before anyone even watched them, and this rode well into season 2 as the world was grappling with how to deal with this scary new world we were falling into. The show runners likely figured it was safer to stay the course than to change now, but after 2 years, they realized that the only thing they could do was make Star Trek properly topical again. Personally, I didn't much care for season 3, but I respect what they did. The attack on Earth deeply mirrored the terror attacks on America, and Star Trek finally started talking about what was happening in the world. In short, it was a damn good show, but it will forever be tied to a time that most of us would rather forget, and that's not a burden any other ST series has had to bear. It's not the show that was bad, just the timing.
I loved Enterprise. So many interesting characters. Archer could be grumpy and snappy, and the episode about Malcolm’s birthday and nobody really knowing much about him (including his parents) warmed my cold English heart. Too many good moments to list.
Never been much of a Scott Bakula fan, but i must say that i've become to appreciate more and more his Captain Archer character. Very easy going for a Star Trek captain, but when shit hit the fan tough enough to face anything with the ship that was almost always underpowered and outgunned...also Bakula was hilarious as Mirror-Archer in superb two-parter "In the Mirror Darkly".
I am watching it for the first time, and am in the middle of s2 and I like it so far. Malcolm is one of my favorites of the crew, along with Archer and Doctor Phloxx. He reminds me of Garak from ds9, who was one of my favs from that show.
I loved it. With the exception of the finale. Poor Trip and poor T Pol...they didn t deserve that. I just hoped that simulation was just that, a poor simulation of an true ending
Enterprise is an amazing show! I loved every minute of it. The reason people don’t like it is because they weren’t watching it right. They watched it as the next Star Trek series showing origins of what they’d already seen. In reality, that’s not what it is. It it the starting point for Star Trek. A new “original series”. It is best watched first and provides a way better entry into the Star Trek universe than The Original Series.
Yessssssssssss. People expect the crew to act as the norm strafleet crew but noooooo its not meant to be like that at first. Enterprise was what i expected from a tos prequel. First two seasons where they explore ard and then once they discovered enough shit gets real and then the federation. The way enterprise went was kind of the right direction but many people didnt see it as such
Fats Archer keeot rffering the mystdrious proto prime directive while casually committing xenocide while abandoning his crewmates to be abducted. ill give Enterprise this though atleast they explored the entire cast unlike 'cough' voyager where you could have replaced chakotay, paris, kim, belanna with cardboard cutouts
I loved this series, and have all four seasons on DVD. I did not consider the series to be 'Slow'. I liked all of the four series. I was wishing for a 5th.... The Final ep of S4 was rather questionable plot wise, but for me, just seeing Troi and Riker again in character made that last episode of ENT perfectly acceptable.
It was good...Great to see Earth during the early years before the formation of the Federation... TNG, TOS, ENT, DS9 and VOY.... All great. ENT was def different, but that was a good thing.
Only started watching it, halfway through season 2. Some episodes can be boring but a handful have been my favourite storywise in all of the Star Trek I've seen. Thanks Discovery for turning me towards Enterprise 👍
Season 3's where it really picks up. There's a whole season long story arc that's just great. Season 4 was kinda a let down as a result though, since the previous season set the bar so high.
I rather enjoyed the series - even purchased complete set of DVDs back in the day. Sure, there were some aspects that could have been improved -- and the last episode, don't even get me started on that atrocity .... but overall, very cool show that had awesome potential if it continued a bit longer
At least it didn't shatter Star Trek canon about 30 times every episode, and actually even helped fix some stuff that had been left hanging from other parts of the Start Trek universe. I think if it turned out that Star Trek: Discovery is entirely a holodeck simulation, plenty of people would actually celebrate that fact. *Edit:* It's possible that Enterprise had more canon-breaking stuff than I recall, and some of it not specifically part of the time-travel storyline, which some people may not have liked regardless, but which I never minded that much as a plot device. That said, Enterprise ran for 4 years and so far there's only been 10 episodes of Discovery that have already given fans a lot to grumble about on that score, so I think it's still possible to make a quantitative assessment that Discovery still comes out worse on that aspect - and Enterprise did clean up a lot of stuff before it ended. It remains to be seen if Discovery will attempt the same thing, but even though my faith in the creative team is not tremendously high, I won't discount the possibility entirely.
+TentaclePentacle Even if that were true it doesn't really explain things like how Vulcans can communicate telepathically across the Universe, despite it never being mentioned before. In any case, if that's the explanation they end up going with, they're probably just going to piss off everyone else who hadn't already completely lost faith in the series.
Don't be daft. You didn't watch the episode in question nor do you even know what has or hasn't been established canon-wise about Vulcan abilities. Vulcans being able to at least sense other Vulcans, even over many light years, was established as early as TOS' "The Immunity Syndrome" where Spock, a half-Vulcan, could sense the death of the all-Vulcan crew of the USS Intrepid. Spock, again a half-Vulcan, could sense V'Ger's mind even over many light years as shown in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. T'Pol and Trip Tucker also shared a similar bond over light years distance. The explanation was given right in the first episode "The Vulcan Hello" and followed up in "Battle of the Binary Stars" and much later still in "Lethe" where we learn that Sarek, in order to save Burnham after an attack by Vulcan separatists, transferred a small part of his katra to her in much the way that it was established in Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock that a total katra body transfer was possible and in ENT's "The Forge" where Archer carried Surak's own katra for a time until it could be transferred to a Vulcan master.
NaeMuckle The missed opportunity of this show was to establish the canon of ST consistent (as much as possible) with TOS and TNG. We got a few canonical “nuggets” handed to us (such as the change in the Klingons you note), but this prequel show could have and should have done so much more. If it had it would have been more accepted as ST; as it turned out, the show was not accepted by the core fan base as really being ST and it failed to keep the viewership needed to keep it going.
One of my favorite scenes was when Trip showed up in a loud Hawaiian short before going on shore leave. He said: “You’ve got to be seen to be noticed.” Play on, playa’... play on. :)
S4 of ENT was the best season of star trek since the final season of DS9. it's totally tragic that the show never got a 5th season, but they finally hit their stride in S4.
I think Enterprise's main issue was coming out too soon after Voyager. At the time, it felt like some of the plots were being recycled from the former series. Overall, I felt like the series was a love letter to Star Trek fans, though, and it was sad to see it go off the air so soon. I did like how it was given some love when some of the events in the series were referenced in Star Trek: Beyond.
Enterprise started off OK..then a few seasons later it was rocking! They canceled it right when it was kicking ass with 2 of these best Mirror universe episodes of all times... i miss enterprise. The only thing that sucked was the intro song.. sucked balls but the mirror episode intro was the best intro of all Trek
Oh I disagree that the Vulcans were poorly written in the opening. I think it's inane the concept of totally emotionless beings, because then there'd be no desire to do anything. Exploration, technological advancement, hell even general altruism would be stunted if not totally muted. I liked that the vulcans were sneaky and conniving, it makes far more sense for what is effectively an emotionally diminutive race to be more amoral, it also makes sense that extreme circumstances eventually crack the vulcan veneer of emotionlessness, at least in some cases.
Keego Bricks. The Vulcans of TOS were not emotionless. Their culture frowned upon expression of emotion. Spock fought a constant battle to keep his emotions in check. And they could certainly be conniving. What about T'Pring trying to use Kirk to execute Spock?
Yeah they were pretty close to being emotionless, and don't forget Spock was half human. The writers kept flip flopping on them attempting to live without emotions and them actually being literally emotionless. Regardless of how outwardly emotive they were they still have to at least function on what they find more desirable and less desirable or else they'd be completely utilitarian, and none of the series in the franchise portrayed them as such. If the Vulcans are 'pretending' to be emotionless, sometimes their deliberately constructed delusions would have to show cracks on occasion. I still say they were portrayed best in enterprise. Enterprise portrayed this quality best.
@@MelonDoesStuff Seven of Nine had her "qualities", if you catch my drift. But once she appeared on the show, the women did all the action, and the men just stood at their consoles, looking impressive.
The Knuckleheads at Paramount screwed us , Enterprise it was getting ready to bust out and could have been a great addition to Star Trek Legacy but then the PC snowflakes got ahold of the Star Trek Legacy and brought us discovery, it's such a sorry show I've only seen the first two episodes and that's it ,not even going to bother with it such a waste of good Sci-fi.
actually it was Les Moonves of CBS that cancelled Enterprise, sold the film rights back to Paramount for them to make the disgraceful action trilogy, and was the main reason STD is such utter unwatchable crap. not to mention, still not canon.
@@@romancernjak as unwatchable as discovery actually is, Canon is not possible unless Paramount directly produces it: it is an unbendable feature of the lease contract paramount offers at whoever decides to produce ST. The show Has to be different enough to not be Canon, and that one of the reason because Klingons are that different. I guess if they haven't told it was ST and the ships were different nobody would have guessed it was ST Universe
Starring a ship other then Enterprize was a welcome change. My only problem with Discovery was that it's too over the top at times. Like at the end of the first season, literally all life in the entire universe depends on their success, why, because the Spore drive. That to me is really overselling it. The second season, more cliche time travel, again it tries to be too epic for it's own good.
Gotta say I really enjoyed the first two episodes, and most of season 1. I loved Captain Lora and how the show had so many twists and turns. Between the black female called "michael" and the gay relationship, which they got from another fan made Trek series btw, there is a strong feminist lgbtq agenda in play, the other series lacked. Discovery, the first Star Trek that should be rated R.
I loved Season 4. It only pulled in something like 3 million viewers before it was canceled. But that is not the reason it was canceled, studio poltics was and the breakup of viacom. The Star Trek beginning movie was also sacrificed, not just season 5 of enterprise. The rebranded paramount hired JJ in 2006 to make star trek 2009 and the rest is history.
I also think Enterprise has aged very well too. Some of these episodes are going on like what 18 years old already (Oh god) and they still look great, seem real and yeah Star Trek tradition clearly states we have to have a dullard 2 seasons before it gets good so they nailed it. Enterprise didn't deserve the grief it got.
Enterprise was actually my first Star Trek and it was what led me to watching all the other series. While it's far from perfect I much prefer Enterprise over STD.
What I liked about Enterprise was the humility and vulnerability of the earthlings. In TNG everyone seemed just a bit too smug.
The Humans in Enterprise were quite cock-sure and arrogant to start with which is a good thing and bad and they demonstrated it well during the series. Archer butted heads with the Vulcans because he felt they were holding humanity back and treating them like Kids with a firearm... But in essence the Vulcans were kind of right. Earth had no idea about some of the dangers out in space and Archer admits this to the Challenger's Captain in Season 2. He says maybe they were right, there's a reason they are putting more phase cannons on the Challenger. When Archer nearly costs Malcolm and Travis their lives over pride trying to grapple the shuttlepod, T'pol has to convince him there is no shame in asking for help from the Vulcans who have a tractor beam. It was a small step that showed the Vulcans we weren't just reckless, but passionate and willing to compromise.
@@joegrimes9232 thanks for well thought out comment, I agree. Best Sci Fi is character based.
joe grimes: Whilst I agree the Vulcans were doing what they thought was right humanity had to get out there eventually. If you don’t let a child try and fail then they’ll never learn.
The idiotic Vulcans did not give Humanity the chance to fail, and thus wrested their chance to succeed. Had the Vulcans told Humans the secrets of the universe things would have been very different and Vulcan might have been able to absorb Humanity. The Vulcans are just lucky Humanity allied with them instead of giving them double middles, forming a coalition with the Andorians and Tellarites, then wiping them off the face of the universe which is more than they deserve. Vulcans have caused nothing but problems for every other race in the galaxy, (see Romulans); Big Rod intended for Vulcans to be the example for what Humans should not do when we reach the stars.
TNG, technically speaking that society is communist, not cool
If only fans back then knew how bad Star Trek could REALLY get. Enterprise compared to today's shows is basically a masterpiece.
Well said, I fully agree, they just didn't have quite the effects or money, other than that it's just more enjoyable.
@jckbchr discovery had the pontential to be amazing but failed misserable, all the plot holes, dumb arguments full focus on Michael as the only character doom it
S3 recovery from that a bit, show consistency and at least some coherence, so i think it deserves a 4th season
I watched ST enterprise and i really like it its among my favorites now, just the ending was... pathetic
@@StoneCoolds Glad someone else liked Enterprise. Yeah, the last episode in particular was a bit pathetic but I ignore it & enjoy the rest 😁
We used to curse Brannon Braga back then but he's 100 times better than the Kurzman/Orci/Abrams disaster troika. It pains me to say it, but bring back Rick Berman and the Braga!
@@man8785 i think he did a very nice job with his character, well exacuted and you can see how he evolves an learn about space exploration and comanding a ship
I love how there is no rulebook and Archer makes it up as he goes along. It's brilliant to watch the first human ship work out how to do space.
Yeah, no Prime Directive, no shields - just crappy hull plating and the transported scares the shit out of everybody at first.
Maybe I’m a minority, but I enjoyed Enterprise. It had grit, humor, sad moments, intense moments, scary moments, action, and exploring that period before the Federation came to be. I wish they did another season.
khfan4life365 ..i loved Enterprise more than the others. Season 4 was amazing
You're not in the minority. Most ST fans that actually took the time to watch the show from the beginning all the way through liked it, or loved it.
khfan4life365 you’re not alone.
YES!!
I wish they had done another 3 seasons!!!
I loved Enterprise still watch it on Netflix or hulu
comes on the heroes and icons channel nightly as well.
I think it’s better than all the other series by far
I'm on season 3 again
@@davidkeys4284 I love the spok chick and more from ork.
Bingeing right now
The reason why enterprise worked is the same reason Stargate sg1 and Atlantis worked.. excellent cast interaction and choice of dialogue.
I'm one of the weirdos who loved ENT, and even if the first two seasons took a bit to get off, as said, it did have winners in those too. By the time of 4, we could have easily made it to 7. With the Earth-Romulan War, and the planned occasional forays into the Mirror Universe (which were fantastic, people loved em - and so many people only died because they only had two episodes to work with), and the other mini-arcs shown, it would have been a fantastic run all the way through. Shame.
Mirror-universe is just ripping off Classic Trek.....
You're not a weirdo at all my dude, ENT developed into a pretty good show.
No - the people who *don't* like _Enterprise_ are the weirdos.
Totuly with u
You're NOT weird! Liking what you like and not following a crowd is what Trek is all about.
"The Vulcans had been written very poorly in the first two seasons..." I disagree. I guess some people were upset to see the more complex, more realistic portrayal of Vulcans in _Enterprise_ as a race like any other that has its own priorities and is ruled by self-interest. To see Vulcans as less than saintly seems to be an unsettling experience for some fans, but I thought it was great. _Enterprise_ showed that the relationship between humans and Vulcans was complex, and often tense, but that _both races_ benefitted from the partnership. Vulcans became better people because they met humans.
Yes! I loved that the Vulcans were their own persons, rather than the representation of logic that Spock always was. The best was the conversation between the ambassador and Admiral Forest in season 4.
Totally agree. As my dad always said (someone who was a Trek fan since TOS first aired) there had to be a reason why Earth ended up the centre of the Federation, rather than Vulcan.
If the Vulcans were so perfect, they should have been the race that created the Federation. But somehow, it was humanity. It made sense that the Vulcans were flawed in the past, just like everyone else. IF Enterprise did one thing well - right from season one - it was that it made humanity a catalyst that brought the existing, opposing factions together.
It wasn't superior technology that formed the Federation, it was optimism.
I think the Vulcans were done very well.
I completely agree! The idea that the Vulcans had to embrace their stoic philosophy out of necessity was brilliant. It portrayed them as inherently impulsive and emotional, and they required a quasi-religious commitment to logic to prevent self-destruction.
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Well your dad was correct. I watched Dr Who and Star Trek on a B&W television.
I had to made a antenna out of a coat hanger. In order to watch them .
I absolutely loved Star Trek Enterprise. I thought it was a great series and the characters were amazing.
violent vulcans, TPaul and Trip relation, being a prequel, not enough explosions... that's what some people didn't like. Enterprise was a very enjoyable show.
@@darkwolf1202 the relationship between the crew and story was enough for me, I love the intro and music while a lot hated it. I wish they come back to the series again.
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I've just watched all four seasons again, apart from a couple of boring episodes which could be true for all versions of the ST franchise, Enterprise is one of my favourite versions.. Unlikely but I would love to see more from Capt Archer & Enterprise in the future..
Hopefully there are books on this series - I really enjoyed star trek voyager - end games book.
and Not i'm about to! Anybody want to watch in VR with me? We can watch in Worfs Quarters etc..
Same it’s not my full favorite but it’s defenitely my 2nd favorite (the number one spot is already filled by ds9)
One day it will happen, but unfortunately maybe not for another 15 years until deep fakes and machine learning AI can give us a true rendition, perhaps with the help of the surviving cast if they finish the last 3 seasons using their voices. It would be a lovely homage to a series that should never have ended.
I agree, I think the reason some people don't like it, is due to the uniform look too different from the original series and next generation, so they can't relate. And there are some Next Generation episode that was really boring, where it was more like soap drama day to day life on a starship. Enterprise the entire series is semi at war.
I loved it! I wished it continued.
its the best series in my opinion TNG not withstanding.
i loved it too, to me it was the Best of the tv series by Far and completely stood above TNG..
Plur: There's a difference between a "real Star Trek fan" and someone who's a fan of anything named Star Trek.
"Tell him it was a nice try."
sergio basilioli: It still could. They're all still alive, and, I don't know that anyone is doing anything more important.
Now, if it weren't for that pesky licensing issue.
@@frankreynolds445 STD is a completely different animal. Voyager and Enterprise, for all their faults, didn't differ so massively from what preceded them (I realize that was by necessity of the license agreement, so, I'm not as mad about it anymore, but, I still don't like it) as to make it unwatchable. Voyager didn't make a big deal about having a female captain. They just had one, and that was it. The female chief engineer wasn't a big deal; the fact that she was perpetually unhappy, was much bigger of a deal. Seven of Nine saving the ship with nanoprobes every other episode was the most annoying part, at least, for me. I'll still watch it, though.
Enterprise was much less diverse, but, people found other reasons to hate it, and, that was fine. There are some good episodes, some great episodes, some okay episodes, and some completely unwatchable episodes. That's the case with every series. (Despite TNG being my favorite series, I will not watch "In Theory" ever again if I don't have to.)
Disco is unwatchable, from Star to finish. Written, produced and performed by virtue-signaling SJWs, they didn't even bother to write a decent story, get more than one decent actor (if even that), or set up their version of the universe in a way that makes sense (SONAR in space, anyone?).
I hate Disco, and am far from being an idiot.
For me one of the best things about Enterprise was how much Archer changed as the show progressed, more so than the other captains IMO. From a wide eyed, enthusiastic adventurer to this really quite cynical and more aggressive character.
He explained several times as he saw his own change "it seems like anywhere we go in this galaxy, we are greeted with shields raised and phasers locked". It was essentially all the other species in the galaxy that made him realize he needed to walk slowly, but with a big stick.
Picard changed the most.
I disliked the last episode somewhat, with it being like a TNG episode. And, didn't even show his speech at the end, which I was waiting to hear.
Me too! I did sort of like how the used the chef role to talk to the crew, but when they killed off Commander Charles Tucker the Third, I was super pissed. Even though it was a TNG episode (which sort of ruined it) at least they used a real TNG episode. It could have been way better if they had just made it that same story but not TNG, no dying, only "absences" (like in DS9) and just continue to explore space and each other rather than fuck it all up. The. only good bit was the end scene with all the Enterprises (mostly).
Oh the last episode was a shitshow. They should actually make it non canon
And they killed Trip !!
Same.. there are always a few episodes i like less in every season but overall i don’t think enterprise was bad at all. I’d have to say it’s defenitely up there..
They shouldn't have killed Trip, they killed off their best character because they got cancelled
I disagree with your assessment on how the Vulcans were portrayed. I thought it was great how it wasn't just Humans who benefited from first contact, but the Vulcans did too. Humans helped them become more true to themselves. This then explains why Vulcans and Humans are so close in the future.
To be fair, that might have been a good way to take things. That Vulcans and Humans changed each other for the better. That humans benefitted from the wisdom of the Vulcans, and that the Vulcans learned how to better relate with other species, accepting that they had something to learn from them.
But that's not how the show handled it. The Vulcans were always like their later portrayal, it's just that they betrayed Suraks teachings. Humans didn't help them become better, they just helped them find Surak. I did like those episodes, but you're idea would have been better.
Agreed. Giving all of Vulcan culture an arc in this series was one of its strong points.
Andorians are our real friends. When Earth was attacked it was the Andorians that came to our aid while the Vulcans did nothing. Then they had the never to bitch about Archer not doing enough to save their ship of psychotic zombies. Assholes.
#ShranForLife!
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Yeah screw those green blooded bastards jk
Humans remind Vulcans of their ancestors... their primitive ancestors... so hanging with a human is like having a pet!
Dr. Flox was the most interesting character by far for me.
"OPTIMISM CAPTAIN!!!!!" *Grinch smile on his face.....
?? i love phlox but he wasn't that interesting
My favourite was Lieutenant Malcolm Reed
What a guy.!!!
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evil Hoshi was smoking hot
That's Empress Sato to you minion!
i like both
T'pol was smoking hot every episode
Illogical, but totally true.
i think we all remember the scene with both of them in the decon chamber
For the longest time I just couldn't get into this series. I tried and tried but just couldn't do it. Then recently I decided to pick it up again. I'm glad I did. I absolutely devoured it. It wasn't the federation I knew and loved because well, it's not the federation. Not yet. This is how we got there.
Seasons 3&4 we’re brilliant. By the start of season 4 Captain Archer was quickly becoming the best Captain since James T Kirk. If Enterprise had gotten 7 seasons like the rest of the 80s & 90s Star Trek I believe it could have been the best of all the other series and possibly gotten at least one Movie
I would pay to see an Enterprise move for sure.
The Xindi story arc was kind of dumb. I hated the whole stupid thing where the Xindi had like 5 races and shit I thought it was stupid. That's not how evolution works!
@@EddyA1337 Evolution doesn't "work" in any way, it's a matter of chance and survival. Humans and Neanderthals co-existed on Earth. Neanderthals and other hominids would still be alive today if they migrated away from humans. Whales have have systems for processing complex emotions beyond our comprehension and ability. Communicating with whales and other complex life through technology is a real possibility in the near future.
Yes, no doubt.
Unpopular opinion: Star Trek Enterprise one of the best series since the Original Series.
That bullshit wasn't even real Star trek, it pissed all over what Roddenberry created and insulted every true Star Trek fan in history!
TOS was the worst except for STD.
@@thevoiceofthefleurieu614 What became Star Trek was heavily contributed to in the original show by both cast and crew. Roddenberry laid the keel and he gets his name on the show for it.
Not so unpopular.
Entetprise was my second favorite.
@@Durion7 very similar to my list. :)
Star Trek Enterprise was actually the first series of Star Trek I watched in its completion. I really loved the politics of the series, especially considering that it was set during a time when the various alien species were not unified in any way and thus really did appear as though they were living in a bigger, less homogenized quadrant of the galaxy. I particularly loved how the captain was in a conflict between his friendship with the Andorians and his resentment but nonetheless reliance on the Vulcans who were acting as gatekeepers and perhaps even as a shadow government to mankind's presence in space. We really got to see a bit more of the dark side of the Star Trek universe through this series too - many topics were covered in it by proxy - terrorism, drugs, discrimination, warfare and its effects and they were not done for pure ideological reasons they just naturally blossomed from the show's episodes and interlinked very well. The show had effort behind it and I think, with the exception of the last couple of episodes in the 4th season (which were not great) it was a very good series and should have continued.
Muon Ray I also started with Enterprise. Best way to watch ST.
Muon Ray and slavery
Muon Ray very well put.
I couldn't agree more!
It's first two seasons were a really bland attempt to recreate TNG in a different setting. Mostly laughable and really predictable. Seasons 3 and 4 really kicked it into gear though. It would probably have been remembered as one of the better series if it had lasted seven seasons as was kind of standard for ST.
Its a series i think Gene Roddenberry would have loved after seeing it, it is brilliantly mixed of old and new
The reason Enterprise failed is due to Star Trek itself. TNG created a federation utopia defined by rules and values. Enterprise was more about exploration and the unknown, not just exploration of space but of humanity before the federation. I really cannot understand why people don't like enterprise. I love watching the crew develop from naïve humans who the vulcans perceive as children to a proven force in the galaxy. It generally felt good watching archer prove himself to the vulcans and ultimately gain their respect. That's good story telling, period.
Obviously, the utopia that Star Trek predicted hasn't really panned out how we expected, and now more than ever I think enterprise deserves a reboot. It would definitely appeal to todays audience. In addition, a pre-prequal about Zefren Cochrane would be good too.
Yes! Enterprise is my favorite. You know what else? it has some awful episodes (don't they all?) but I've actually enjoyed The Orville too.
I never watched a Star Trek show before 2020 or so. Not even once and binged almost all of it.
and I don’t get why this show was considered bad at all. “VOYAGER” is easily the worst. Every episode was like torture to watch. TNG and DSN9 are of course the best, but I put this one right after them.
One thing I liked is how becuase this was much more back in time the ship felt a lot more metallic and military on the inside, like a submarine. Compared to TNG enterprise that looks like a Ramada Inn conference center. “Enterprise” really felt grounded and plausible. It’s basically a sequel to “first contact” in a lot of ways.
@@thevictoryoverhimself7298I agree. I even liked the "pompous Vulcans". I mean your dealing with a race that tries to purge all emotions. Of course the average Vulcan will treat the average human as a child.
I think we should leave it at that. It was an OK prequel but the Star Trek writers were burned out by 2001. You can see the warning signs already in the last season of Voyager in the stand-alone episodes. It is just they had a developed outline on how it ends years ahead of time. Making a fresh new show in a different time a setting to be aired only a few months after finishing Voyager would have been exhausting. Especially right after making DS9 and Voyager with most seasons airing concurrently. Not to mention DS9 aired only 2 years after TNG ended. And I am not even counting all the Star Trek movies made in the 80s-2000's.
It had a good premise but a not so good execution. But I appreciate its call backs to TOS and TNG to the point where I get excited when they mention something that happened in this time period that Captain Archer was involved in.
We don’t have the utopia yet, but then the backstory assumes a massive nuclear war that kills most of humanity as a precursor to that utopia.
So anywhooo….
I loved Enterprise. I think your analysis is on point here, Dave. Good video.
I also agree, very good assessment. I also agree that the third season was the best. And people have to stop blaming Scott Bacula for "ruining the franchise". Yes, I'm talking to you Futurama people. :)
Enterprise was a great series, I don't know wtf anyone would rag on it for? I just wish they had 1 more season to get into the romulan wars...
probably would have saved the show for a full 7 seasons.
sorry but wrong. the torpedoes prior to Ent going into he expanse was equipped with nuclear warheads, not photons... They only received the photons after the Vulcans gave it to them for such a dangerous mission into the expanse. The future people disrupting the timeline are what changed canon a bit, and it works quite well
That was sure the direction it was heading. They would had been able to explain that the death of Trip was fabricated by Section 31. The Star Trek Enterprise novels spent quite a bit of time on the Romulan war.
Oh my god give this man a job! The Romulan wars would have taken ENT to the top.
And the rise of the federation, trying to unite a group of people who still kinda don't like each other
Every day I get more and more sad that we didn't get at least one more season of Enterprise. From what I've heard of what Season 5 COULD have been, it sounds amazing! The Romulan-Earth War, the Borg returning from season 2, even more expedition to the Star Trek mythos, the refit of the NX-01 Enterprise, a continuation of "In a Mirror, Darkly", "ancestor" cameos of TOS, and much much more. I dare say, we were robbed of a great season.
I will always love The Next Generation since I grew up with that series, but Enterprise has to be my favorite Star Trek series ever and so far, the last Star Trek show that followed, or at least tried to follow, Gene's vision.
Thank goodness the Spirit of Star Trek lives on in The Orville, surprisingly!
Just finished the finale! Compared to Discovery it's brilliant! Enterprise is no longer the black sheep 😜
Shitscovery didn't have a Vulcan hottie did it? Just a guess?
Not that hard to look good compared to an ST:D
+Josef Nagy
What sucks, is that I see just enough of Nick Meyer, to really bring home what a waste of potential that show is 😞
On the other hand, I really, really, reeeeaaaally hope the rumors are true, that hes developing his own 'correct' ST spinoff.
What yo sayin' about black sheep?
cojo just a Mary Sue pretending to be Vulcan. Or as Lore coined, "Michael Sue"!
The one thing i dislike about enterprise is the last episode. I think they should ended the show with the real cast instead of them being hologram. And why did they have to kill trip. I love him
Trillium Burbank the series was loosing funding and they had to make the end abrupt. They were going to make another season where the enterprise gets a refit and looks more like the original series enterprise
Agreed. It's so awful they killed Trip. That was a TRAVESTY.
A really good character smh
i would have preferred they went on for the full 7 season run and more organically linked up with the TOS era, maybe had at least a whole season with the newly formed Federation
I honestly think "Terra Prime" is a better finale for the series. "These Are The Voyages" was just intended as a bonus episode and "fan service" as the show was already cancelled. They just added the part with Trip being killed for some cheap drama. Had the show been renewed for a 5th Season they would never have done that episode.
Enterprise Is truly underated and is light years ahead of Nu-Trek
To be fair having experience of both, a heart attack is far preferable to what passes for star trek today.
SNW is good. The rest is as bad as Shitterprise.
@@titusmccarthy you don't like Picard season three and lower decks?
I think we're asking the wrong question. The question is, "Is enterprise Star Trek or not?" and the fact that it's underrated by some fans doesn't really matter. I can say that after the venture, Star Trek was felt only in Orville and a little bit in Axanar.
ENT wasn't given a chance by a lot of fans. Many were turned off by the prequel setting, like myself. I wanted and still want, a show set after Nemesis.
Many were burned out on Trek after so many shows and movies by that point.
That all said, I wish they would have given it another chance. It had a good core, good chemistry, and it had a ton of potential. As much as any of the other series. And Bakula was perfect.
Speaking for myself, I gave it a season and a half. I found the writing 'alright', the stories were serviceable. My problem was the characters. I couldn't find anything of interest in any of the characters. Characters that were't flat and boring, were just annoying.
@@michaelcividanes2930 ditto for me. I tried to like it and just couldn't because the characters held no real depth and interest. It just seemed like a bunch of actors playing Star Trek. The show was definitely missing something.
i was glad when they set it in the 22nd century because i wanted to know what happened in between the launch of the phoenix and the original Constitution class Enterprise
the time period is interesting in theory. And, in theory, there should be lots of formidable and relevant stories and situations to tell. And I will say they had those stories. But the problem was still the characters. There is just no one in the cast I'm interested in or any interest in seeing challenged.
@@michaelcividanes2930 i quite liked the cast, i though archer was an interesting captain, and TPol explored the nature of being a vulcan in ways never before seen and Hoshi, well whats not to love about Hoshi? the crew to me reacted in a manner one would expect of a race that was new to deep space exploration
Considering the other Star Trek shows, it's really sad that Enterprise didn't make it past Season 4. The best was probably yet to come (and we would've been spared the terrible finale).
word up seasons 3 and 4 were pretty sweet
Shuddddup makin'me miss how good season 5 would have been.
As a recent United States Navy submariner, I loved the ship and gritty, rough feel to it. Except for the elevator in the engine room, it looked and felt right and lived in, in ways that Star Trek doesn't do on their ships.
IKR? The Enterprise-D bridge looks more like a lobby.
@@thekidfromiowa Agreed. To me, the Enterprise-D looked more like a cruse ship than a Starfleet vessel.
I'm a comercial mariner, and an engineer. Some comercial ships do have a lift down to the engine room, but it's mostly built for conveinance, it makes it simpler to get larger stuff in and out of the engine rooms. Like a new/old cylinder head etc. But if a lift doesn't exist, it's lifted out of a hatchet that goes up to the upper decks.
I like Enterprise, it was a good show.
Ya, me too. I watched it on Netflix, and got instantly hooked.
Only read star trek fans like every star strek show. The others are fake fans
HUMANS NEED LOGIC The problem isTNG fans. They are typically autistic nerds and hate change. The only Sci fi they watch or read is Star Trek TNG and it’s direct spin offs. I would rate Enterprise as as good as TNG and at times, better. TNG had too many boy scouts, there I said it.
I will never understand anybody's beef with this series. I loved every episode from theme song to credits. The fact that the show ended after the fourth season is a crime.
I agree that after Enterprise found its legs, it was rapidly becoming one of the best of the franchise & truly deserved to continue. I would also like to add that I thought that the cast, and likewise the crew of the Enterprise are among the most likable to be found in the franchise.
However, IMHO, I couldn’t stand that insipid theme song. It wasn’t the lyrics; they were fine. But the whiny 90s campfire song, voice and melody just didn’t provide enough grandeur and enthusiasm.
Overall my hierarchy among the real Star Trek series remains: DS9, Enterprise, TOS, TNG, with Voyager limping along at the tail (probably because of the skin tight Danskins and the high heels).
It was HOT GARBAGE.
I love Enterprise so much! It's not so bad as some fans seem to think it is. It's actually quite good.
I didn't even know STE existed until I accidentally came across it on Netflix in 2012. I did something I never did before, I binge watched the whole series and then started the whole thing over again. I think Enterprise brought together the experience of the whole franchise in one show. The characters seemed imperfect and real, nobody was supposed to know what they were doing as none of it had been done before. They were out of their element and making do the best they can.
Bakula was acceptable for the role but the writers never figured out how to use his talents. The dog was a good idea, like the baseball in Cisco's office, but Scott never really pulled it off or the writers didn't develop it. In fact I think the writers are the ones who screwed up the show for so many by not writing to the actor's strengths in general. The actors should have been encouraged to develop their characters more for themselves. Thats where you get things like the famous Vulcan greeting.. nanu nanu I think it was...
I even like the title song, gritty, real and quaint, a theme for the show. But then who am I to talk? I think Stargate Universe was the best scifi ever and I'd like to stomp on the foot of whoever kept us from finding out the truth of the background radiation.
I'm waiting for some creative genius to make the next wonder, the next Stargate, the next Firefly. A world I could take part in. I would barf on the bridge of Discovery and go off to become a bartender on Risa. It's difficult to find the scifi on the Sexually Transmitted Disease STD hidden between the steaming piles of social justice. Please, somebody, go forth and create a new scifi for Saturday children's show like Farscape before my brain goes completely numb from being treated like I'm incapable of understanding the most basic concepts of anything.
Star Trek discovery isn't that bad once you get used to it, it does get better in season 2. What we really need is the original star trek show rebooted with the crew from the Abrams movies. I know shoot me to hell with lensflares for even suggesting it, but I really like the actors in the Abrams reboots, plus the fact they look like the original crew.
Thank you, I binged then repeated & do so every few years, I just love it.
@@bluebull399 eeeeewww
@@bluebull399 ...Saying STD isn't that bad once you get used to it...is like saying having barbed wire shoved up your bootay repeatedly isn't that painful once you get used to and you have no feeling left back there.
Watching the awful Discovery makes Enterprise look like the golden age of Star Trek!
For all its shortcomings, I like Enterprise because the Vulcan culture origin story is awesome, and as much as Bakula's character is borderline cringe cheesy, his relationship w/ the Andorians was great.
Andorian Mining Consortium was awesome.
Trekker since 1966. Lived for TOS and loved TNG. Voyager was OK, DS9 was so so. I really liked Enterprise.
I loved Star Trek Enterprise. It started slow because they developed the characters. I really think it is the most dismissed Star Trek and I like Archer as Captain. They also had more leeway to cuss.
People forget that both TNG and DS9 started slow for the same reason and actually, in first seasons, were BEHIND enterprise.
Its funny how the more new stuff comes out, people become reflective and apologetic for their opinions of stuff they denounced before. New Star Wars makes the prequels seem better, New Star Trek makes Enterprise look good. We are seeing the collective lowering of our media entertainment standards in real time.
I agree but as I stated in a previous reply it was good if you could remove yourself from thinking it was part of ST but as soon as you woke up and realized this was part of the ST universe, and damn it should be canon, it sucked balls. Now we have Discovery and that is the final straw the franchise/universe is dead to me after watching it since 1974 (the first year that TOS went into syndication).
Yes, I perform the same mental gymnastic that allows me to enjoy the Alien Resurrection film. But the reason we require this mental divide is because the new material is out of place, contradictory or takes the narrative in a displeasing direction. Often the product can be so far removed in it's execution that it might as well be a different thing (see the new possibility of a black female James Bond). This extra piece of work on the audience's part only comes with adamance to enjoy the piece after disappointment is endured. Maybe studios should provide the caveat: "Enjoy the new 'pop culture instalment'. Warning: Fans of the original may wish to engage their cognitive dissonance gland".
I 100% agree and I am tired of this SJW nonsense being shoved down my throat in movies and on TV. I had read a black James Bond and that set me off because if you are a spy you wish to blend in and in most parts of the world Black does not blend in. Now if that wasn't bad enough it has to be a Female Black Bond. They fucked over my Doctor Who now, fucked over my Star Trek, fucked over my Star Wars, and now my Bond. Honestly I no longer watch TV (back in 1991 I was up to 105+ hours per week and I am not kidding) to 0 hours now. I watch only TCM for the good movies pre 2000's and I am selective at that. I don't go to the theater because there is no way in hell I would pay 11 dollars to watch the current Hollywood. Hell, even my classic movies I grew up with Hollywood has raped them with reboots (Death Wish is the newest reboot) and they all fail miserably but Hollywood just keeps churning them out instead of having any original thoughts/scripts only we get to see the same movie with modern actors in it and ALWAYS with a social justice theme.
I am fed up.
I think it's just that they're being drastically lowered now, so we're looking back at the good parts of what were previously considered utterly terrible. Like you said, the Star Wars prequels. Everyone thinks they're terrible. I grew up watching every Star Wars movie, so I try to find the best parts of all of them, but the Star Wars community pretty much universally hates the prequels. Now, those who love the new movies still hate them. Those that hate the new ones (like me) either still hate them, or are looking back to see that they're actually pretty good in comparison. Same with Star Trek. Discovery has torn a hole in the franchise bigger than even the JJ Abrams movies, because it's set in the PRIME universe! It's made the franchise collapse on itself because it's just a bunch of fans fighting over what's good and what's not now. Some like the original stuff, some like the Abramsverse, some like Disco for some reason. I prefer to think of it as a new audience with a new (I'd say diminished) perspective on the respective franchises, and that new audience is driving what happens now and what happens moving forward. I hate it, but there's nothing I can do about it.
@ Best Stooge
There are good movies being made, they're just not what Hollywood thinks is its A material. When you get away from the sequels, prequels, reboots, "re-imaginings" and look at what people are doing at the fringes of the industry, there's still opportunity to make good films. This last year saw such fare as "Baby Driver" and "The Shape of Water", which are criminally under-rated.
I heard for years that Enterprise was so bad that it basically poisoned any chance for further Star Trek TV series. Recently, I watched it myself and I sincerely have no clue where that opinion could have come from.
The series is, at worst, cheap at times. Meaning, it would use the sex and CGI to try and reel in fans, rather than just relying on good acting and writing. How many times do we need to see them oiling each other down in decontamination?
My guess is that some people at CBS don’t understand the phenomenon of Star Trek and rather than market this show accordingly, they flubbed it and blamed it on the Enterprise production. This show is not the problem, though.
Funny how untrue that was, now with three more spinoffs on the way and discovery getting renewed for a third season
Yet Enterprise is streets ahead of Discovery, and other supposed Trek shows!!
The first two seasons of Enterprise are phenomenal. I really don't understand why people think they aren't that great.
I liked it. Frankly Star Trek is the future that i like and not the dark and gloomy future that the sci-fi presets this days.
You should watch The Orville, a very good show in the vein of old Trek
By dark and gloomy you mean something like "Expanse" and "Dark Matter"?
I liked Enterprise. It was the first Trek since TNG where I liked (or at least appreciated) the entire cast. I was a bit sad that it got cancelled before its time. Now we're stuck with that abomination called Discovery.
you should try deep space nine again. i guarantee you will fall in love with each and every character. yes, even odo.
you liked wesley?
The problem with Enterprise was Branon Braga. The smartest thing he ever did was bring on Manny Cotto. Braga was too wrapped up in TNG to really do a prequel worthy of TOS. Think Braga even said he never saw TOS. Cotto knew every inch of TOS and if he was brought on in the begining Enterprise would have been a very different and far superior show than what we got.
I was really hoping they would have let Trip and T'Pol become a relatively famous couple and dealt with the problems they would have being one of the first public interspecies couples within the Federation (maybe even inspiring Sarek to consider marrying a human.)
I thought that Enterprise was great and wish it had a full 7 years.
There were a lot more stories to tell. You had the Federation starting up and the Romulan War.
Didn't help that this aired on a new network. I didn't even have a station that reached me where I live. I had to contact Dish Network to get UPN out of New York, and I live in Oklahoma.
I liked Enterprise. It made me really like Andorians (and hate Vulcans)! XD
Absolutely loved this show!
I liked Enterprise, those clumsy first steps of the humans out in the great unknown, humans that dont behave that much different like we do today (unlike TOS or TNG).
They are underdogs in the universe, the tech is garbage and they have no experiance, but we know, they will become the cornerstone of the Federation.
Sternencolonel: Ineed. A lot of Trek fans missed the point that Archer began as more flawed character than Kirk because he's the first human to explore space like this and the Vulcans were not exactly possible role models either. But that doesn't give STD an excuse for making their leads far less than ideal.
I totally agree. The show had weakpoints, but overall I greatly enjoyed it and appreciated the stories, themes, and foundation it brought to the golden age of Star Trek. I don't know if we'll ever see Star Trek like we used to again.
That"s one aspect of Enterprise that I admired, that it acknowledged the learning curve that Humans were experiencing in those earlier days of warp exploration. After years of TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY I think some fans were disappointed with the scaled down nature of the show.
Enterprise was the best series on my book. They only botched 2 things: when they added the percussions to the music theme and made it pop sounding rather than acoustic, and the last 2-3 episodes which ruined the finale. Other than that it was action packed, rugged and realistic.
Hear, hear. Though they were basically ordered to crash-land entire series by executive.
I liked Star Trek Enterprise. T'pol is my favorite Vulcan character.
@Megan Evans - T’pol was a sexy Vulcan 😜
She was TWO of my favorite characters.
+Josef Nagy
7 of 9 had bigger implants that could fire a cannon.
T'Pol is my favorite too. Jolene Blalock played her perfectly.
mine to !
Agree completely. Should have had at LEAST one more season.
T'Pol was a great character and provided a strong dynamic in her relationships with Trip and Archer. But have not seen anything of Jolene Blalock or most of the rest of the cast since.
BTW, the first 2 or 3 seasons of TNG weren't all that either.
Nah, Season 3 of TNG was one of the better ones: The Enemy, Yesterday's Enterprise, Sins of the Father, The Defector, Sarek, Booby Trap, BoBW part 1 (best episode in TNG, IMO). First season where the (better) episode's where able to play of the strengths of the characters / actors. S1 was the stinker, S2 was not there yet, but not too bad.
I'm rewatching TNG now, saw the first 15 episodes of S1. There are 3 or 4 decent ones (Datalore, Justice, Too Short A Season for example), but the rest are either very boring and forgettable or downright unwatchable. The first season of TNG did not age well at all.
I haven't watched Enterprise ever since it ended, but I remember mostly liking even the first and the second seasons. I liked it much than Voyager.
There is a very good reason why you haven't seen Jolene since ENT. She married multi-billionaire Michael Rapino, and she hasn't had to work since.
I like how as the show went on T'pol became a little more "human". I thought she did a great job portraying a Vulcan who after living among humans came to see their qualities. I also found it interesting that Vulcans were afraid of Humans because Humans were able to accomplish in a a couple hundred years what took most other species thousands of years.
@@shurik121 I agree, the sound quality and music just felt too old fashioned like TOS.
The thing that hurt the Trek franchise the most were the lackluster TNG movies. TNG tv episodes set up cool bad guys: established Q, the Borg, and eluded to a Romulan war that never materialized. We got an ok Borg movie with First Contact but I can’t remember what the others really had to do with anything. Some romulan cloning nonsense and something else about ribbons and some other thing about data being a flotation device. The movies sucked and killed anything regarding their world moving forward. Prequels happen when you need to reboot or you run out of material. STD’s different take could easily have taken place after TNG but making it a prequel already stops it from being something more. Plus there’s not one semi likable character in the show.
I agree the TNG movies were lackluster. I wish we had gotten a few more seasons of the show instead.
Production wise STD should be a winner but I think you're correct in your judgement, it's the characters, I don't like any of them either. Star Trek - The movie (Abrams reboot) was awesome, better than all the TNG movies. I say this as a massive TNG fan.
TNG movies were basically abysmal reahases of some best episodes of series.
@@Dman3827 He was saying no one on Discovery is likeable. Not Enterprise.
I wouldn't said Q were the bad guys, but as an antagonist to push humanity, Picard mostly out the comfort zone, like giving a bloody nose to the main characters pride and ego and thinking of the larger picture with all things finale.
Enterprise was a very, very good Star Trek Series, almost as good as the original Star Trek. However the Series Final Episode in year number 4 was not only a disaster for Star Trek Enterprise Series and fans alike but I'd say it was the death blow to the Star Trek Franchise as a whole. They killed off any credibility of a future for Star Trek Incorporated.
I completley agree, the final episode was a terrible finale. It would however have been a great midseason filler episode.
I hate that final episode to this day! Totally disrespectful to both the cast and the fans.
@@evertonporter7887 Scott Bakula felt the same way.
@@Mukation Enterprise got cut, so therefore the holodeck episode was probably just that, mid season filler.
The first couple seasons proved why it was such a good show. The first season of TNG is near unwatchable. DS9’s first couple seasons were a mess. Voyager sucked until the Kazon storyline ended. Enterprise was good from the first episode.
Oh boy, the first season of TNG, got to watch Deanna say very possibly a hundred times "Oh pain, pain, enormous pain". Can't think of 7 shows in the first season that were any good, maybe 3?.
By Voyager sucked until the Kazon ended, what you mean is Voyager sucked until Seven of 9 showed up eh?
How exactly is the first season of Ds9 "a mess"? Sure it has a lot of boring duds, but it's narrative remains comprehensible not to mention it has easily the strongest, most emotionally fuelled pilot of any of the shows.
@@astrog8tr TNG was all talk blah blah yada yada . The first few episodes I was always waiting for Picard to get killed so Riker would become Captain and then we might get some action going. Couldn't watch the whole thing even though I liked some characters. Enterprise is my favorite, (not the theme song) I liked the use of the shuttle instead of beaming everywhere. Archer making tough sometimes brutal decisions to complete the mission and keep the crew alive, while being the only human ship in deep space, T'Pol's drug addiction and more ...
DS9 seasons 1 and 2 will put anyone to sleep. It doesn't become entertaing until Garak is introduced in my opinion
I at first did not Enterprise, but it grew on me after rewatching. The first two seasons may have been weak, they tried an episodic approach that was hit and miss. T'Pol's role grew on me as it highlighted tension between humanity and Vulcan while displaying the potential perfect union of humanities's ambition with the cautious approach of the Vulcan's. T'Pol's caution when Archer wanted to camp out on a uncharted planet, her warning of interferance with pre-warp societies were ignored by Archer but showed to be correct as the events of such episodes unfolded.
I personally loved Star Trek Enterprise and was very very angry it was cancelled, but CBS still got their pound of flesh from me, because I bought all the various DVD's and Blue-rays sold. As for the Discovery non ST series, I have never seen such a CockUp in all my years of watching the series. From its first showing in the UK, we saw stories of humanity and hope for a better future. STDisease shows a future devoid of hope, with characters and beloved racers turned into mutant creatures for the sake of a half baked storyline. THIS IS NOT STAR TREK, EVER.
Exactly my opinion. If it ain't Star Trek, don't call it that. Personally I think of Discovery as just lazy. They wouldn't care to engage any true Trek fans as writers, so they just come up with their own mythos.
Steve Bergman I'm the same way, especially about movies I paid for but have a digital bug in them so I can't reuse them. BTW: Watch out for those Pirates, use lots of digital penicillin 😎
DarMok Channel I feel you, brother. Part of what originally excited me about the show was that Captain Kirk was a Boy Scout, a Marshall, going about the stars righting wrongs and aiding the innocent. Meeting strange people, drinking Romulan Ale, and porking green ladies.
I guess we're now supposed to forget coming to each other's aid and hunker down with our AKs blasting anything that we feel the least threatened by... let WWIII commence?!
DarMok Channel i enjoyed it but you are 100% correct... maybe i was just happy to have any ST on tv at all. Lets see what they do for the next season or 2, maybe they will hit the ground running.
The Mirror universe episode was awesome.
*Two part Episodes
It had the worse acting from Bakula, ironically.
I was never a fan of the mirror universe because DS9 ran it onto the ground. I think Enterprise did the best job with it.
In all fairness, I don't recall any show in which Bakula played such an evil character as Mirror Archer. I think he did okay for his first time.
You need to watch it again. It was terrible in every respect.
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My personal favorite series from star trek. And I enjoyed the first season's when they were struggling to set up the ship along the way. I liked that because it really felt like they were trying things for the first time.
I loved the Xendi arc of season 3 because the stakes where the highest, and the only way to ensure the survival of the human race was to send Archer and Co after them. I also liked seeing the Macos, because they were like Starfleet Marines. I also liked seeing the conflict between Reed and Hayes. I liked seeing Archer struggling with his morals, and the Trip TPol romance,
I think enterprise maintained the highest level of quality of any star trek series. It's not the best overall, in my opinion, but off the top of my head I can't think of a single episode of enterprise which I'd skip because of how bad it is. No one turns into a child, or fucks a ghost, or has to play hopscotch, or gets stuck in a virtual reality with a creepy mime, or is forced to ride William shatner around a courtroom like a horse. Malcolm says t'pol's bum is "awfully nice" at one point, I think that's the most I cringed at any point throughout the whole show.
"Dear Doctor"?
@Carl Rood
I think that it comes from the episode Shuttlepod 1 or whatever it was called.
@@subraxas My point was about an episode so bad, you'd skip it and his "most cringeworthy moment". Dear Doctor is awful, both on the science and the drama.
It's arguably worse the Threshold, because that episode is about a fantasy reaction to a fantasy speed limit. Dear Doctor mangles evolution beyond recognition and uses it as an excuse to let people die.
@Carl Rood
:-D Funny thing is that Dear Doctor was one of the highest rated episodes of S1 by professional critics, and at the same time, they panned S1's Silent Enemy which is one of my most favourite outings of that given season.
To me, Dear Doctor is a decent episode with an interesting premise that is not handled to its best potential and that foreshadows the future creation of Prime Directive. I do not dislike it but I also do not cherish it.
My favorite episode was Judgement. My favorite scene in that episode was when Archer and his Klingon attorney were discussing the pasta of Earth and Kronos. The scene felt so real and so human. I suggest you watch that episode and pay very close attention to that scene.
I loved it it should have lasted longer just as good as any other Star Trek
I am one of the few people that love and adore Enterprise.
Empress Hoshi
Hoshi is mine, Bub!
I'm another one.
They should've kept it going for another episode or 2....too many loose threads....
Me too, but I swing Vulcan.
STNG "All Good Things," is the poster child of how to make a great series finale.
Enterprise had my favorite doctor.
David Higgins He's my favorite, too.
With the best smile ever :)
For me he ties with "The Doctor" from voyager they where both great.
Unfortunately "Dear Doctor" is an example of the network ruining something that could have been interesting. The writers wanted Phlox to keep the cure a secret from Archer, to highlight his alien sensibility, but instead they were forced to make Archer look like a callous fool (again).
Alright, listen. ST:ENT was an excellent show, and even the first two seasons were great, but the tone was murdered by timing.
You see, it basically premiered on 9/11. They had already filmed most of the first season, but the entire world changed on them. Most of their stories seemed out of date before anyone even watched them, and this rode well into season 2 as the world was grappling with how to deal with this scary new world we were falling into. The show runners likely figured it was safer to stay the course than to change now, but after 2 years, they realized that the only thing they could do was make Star Trek properly topical again.
Personally, I didn't much care for season 3, but I respect what they did. The attack on Earth deeply mirrored the terror attacks on America, and Star Trek finally started talking about what was happening in the world.
In short, it was a damn good show, but it will forever be tied to a time that most of us would rather forget, and that's not a burden any other ST series has had to bear.
It's not the show that was bad, just the timing.
I loved Enterprise. So many interesting characters. Archer could be grumpy and snappy, and the episode about Malcolm’s birthday and nobody really knowing much about him (including his parents) warmed my cold English heart. Too many good moments to list.
Never been much of a Scott Bakula fan, but i must say that i've become to appreciate more and more his Captain Archer character. Very easy going for a Star Trek captain, but when shit hit the fan tough enough to face anything with the ship that was almost always underpowered and outgunned...also Bakula was hilarious as Mirror-Archer in superb two-parter "In the Mirror Darkly".
I am watching it for the first time, and am in the middle of s2 and I like it so far. Malcolm is one of my favorites of the crew, along with Archer and Doctor Phloxx. He reminds me of Garak from ds9, who was one of my favs from that show.
Star trek Enterprise was a better show than Discovery
Star Trek The Animated Series was a better show.than STD.
Having no Star Trek show was better than having Discovery. I like Enterprice alot BTW, the intro music was awful though.
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ur crackin me up bro!
well looks like your getting your wish with paramount going down the drain with the star trek franchise.
I enjoyed watching it...mostly.
Especially the Decon room scenes. ;)
Every show has the bad episodes, It's the good ones that make you forget the bad ones.
I loved it. With the exception of the finale. Poor Trip and poor T Pol...they didn t deserve that. I just hoped that simulation was just that, a poor simulation of an true ending
Well, they knew it was cancelled, so I guess the went for shock factor with trip's death.
Enterprise is an amazing show! I loved every minute of it. The reason people don’t like it is because they weren’t watching it right. They watched it as the next Star Trek series showing origins of what they’d already seen. In reality, that’s not what it is. It it the starting point for Star Trek. A new “original series”. It is best watched first and provides a way better entry into the Star Trek universe than The Original Series.
Yessssssssssss. People expect the crew to act as the norm strafleet crew but noooooo its not meant to be like that at first. Enterprise was what i expected from a tos prequel. First two seasons where they explore ard and then once they discovered enough shit gets real and then the federation. The way enterprise went was kind of the right direction but many people didnt see it as such
Fats Archer keeot rffering the mystdrious proto prime directive while casually committing xenocide while abandoning his crewmates to be abducted. ill give Enterprise this though atleast they explored the entire cast unlike 'cough' voyager where you could have replaced chakotay, paris, kim, belanna with cardboard cutouts
I loved this series, and have all four seasons on DVD. I did not consider the series to be 'Slow'. I liked all of the four series. I was wishing for a 5th.... The Final ep of S4 was rather questionable plot wise, but for me, just seeing Troi and Riker again in character made that last episode of ENT perfectly acceptable.
Star trek Enterprise was my second fav star trek series behind DS9 , i don't understand any of the hate for it.
It was good...Great to see Earth during the early years before the formation of the Federation...
TNG, TOS, ENT, DS9 and VOY.... All great. ENT was def different, but that was a good thing.
Only started watching it, halfway through season 2. Some episodes can be boring but a handful have been my favourite storywise in all of the Star Trek I've seen.
Thanks Discovery for turning me towards Enterprise 👍
Season 3's where it really picks up. There's a whole season long story arc that's just great. Season 4 was kinda a let down as a result though, since the previous season set the bar so high.
How did Discovery do that?
Tim Walden It's so God awful I couldn't watch it and while turning away I seen Enterprise was also on Netflix.
I have watched the series more than a few times, great show, unlocks tons of questions found in Star Trek
Star Trek Enterprise one of the best series
I rather enjoyed the series - even purchased complete set of DVDs back in the day.
Sure, there were some aspects that could have been improved -- and the last episode, don't even get me started on that atrocity .... but overall, very cool show that had awesome potential if it continued a bit longer
At least it didn't shatter Star Trek canon about 30 times every episode, and actually even helped fix some stuff that had been left hanging from other parts of the Start Trek universe.
I think if it turned out that Star Trek: Discovery is entirely a holodeck simulation, plenty of people would actually celebrate that fact.
*Edit:* It's possible that Enterprise had more canon-breaking stuff than I recall, and some of it not specifically part of the time-travel storyline, which some people may not have liked regardless, but which I never minded that much as a plot device.
That said, Enterprise ran for 4 years and so far there's only been 10 episodes of Discovery that have already given fans a lot to grumble about on that score, so I think it's still possible to make a quantitative assessment that Discovery still comes out worse on that aspect - and Enterprise did clean up a lot of stuff before it ended.
It remains to be seen if Discovery will attempt the same thing, but even though my faith in the creative team is not tremendously high, I won't discount the possibility entirely.
STD is in another universe like a mirror of the mirror universe.
+TentaclePentacle
Even if that were true it doesn't really explain things like how Vulcans can communicate telepathically across the Universe, despite it never being mentioned before.
In any case, if that's the explanation they end up going with, they're probably just going to piss off everyone else who hadn't already completely lost faith in the series.
+conrad1on
yes but if STD is in another universe then they would win back all those pissed off trek fans.
+Lets Have A Discussion
No it didn't, ENT patched up alot of glitches.
Don't be daft. You didn't watch the episode in question nor do you even know what has or hasn't been established canon-wise about Vulcan abilities. Vulcans being able to at least sense other Vulcans, even over many light years, was established as early as TOS' "The Immunity Syndrome" where Spock, a half-Vulcan, could sense the death of the all-Vulcan crew of the USS Intrepid.
Spock, again a half-Vulcan, could sense V'Ger's mind even over many light years as shown in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
T'Pol and Trip Tucker also shared a similar bond over light years distance.
The explanation was given right in the first episode "The Vulcan Hello" and followed up in "Battle of the Binary Stars" and much later still in "Lethe" where we learn that Sarek, in order to save Burnham after an attack by Vulcan separatists, transferred a small part of his katra to her in much the way that it was established in Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock that a total katra body transfer was possible and in ENT's "The Forge" where Archer carried Surak's own katra for a time until it could be transferred to a Vulcan master.
The explanation of the Klingon genetic manipulation was brilliant.
NaeMuckle The missed opportunity of this show was to establish the canon of ST consistent (as much as possible) with TOS and TNG. We got a few canonical “nuggets” handed to us (such as the change in the Klingons you note), but this prequel show could have and should have done so much more. If it had it would have been more accepted as ST; as it turned out, the show was not accepted by the core fan base as really being ST and it failed to keep the viewership needed to keep it going.
Too much time was wasted because a committee wanted to stare at vulcan boobs all day.
The Enterprise series is currently being rerun on UK digital TV. I'm enjoying it a lot.
It has enjoyed quite a resurgence in popularity since it was cancelled.
I loved Star Trek Enterprise. I really liked the point of exploring news system (weapons & procedures) it was exciting.
One of my favorite scenes was when Trip showed up in a loud Hawaiian short before going on shore leave.
He said:
“You’ve got to be seen to be noticed.”
Play on, playa’... play on. :)
Yeah, that didn't end well for those two.
I thought the last 2 years were excellent. As good as anything in any of the series.
S4 of ENT was the best season of star trek since the final season of DS9. it's totally tragic that the show never got a 5th season, but they finally hit their stride in S4.
Jolene Blalock......nuff said.
Shirtless Linda Park wasn't bad either.
Literally the only 2 reasons I liked this show
Add them together....four reasons?
despite the title song, i just loooooove the enterprise series, especially the xindi-run ... and i like archer very much.
I think Enterprise's main issue was coming out too soon after Voyager. At the time, it felt like some of the plots were being recycled from the former series. Overall, I felt like the series was a love letter to Star Trek fans, though, and it was sad to see it go off the air so soon. I did like how it was given some love when some of the events in the series were referenced in Star Trek: Beyond.
Enterprise started off OK..then a few seasons later it was rocking! They canceled it right when it was kicking ass with 2 of these best Mirror universe episodes of all times... i miss enterprise. The only thing that sucked was the intro song.. sucked balls but the mirror episode intro was the best intro of all Trek
The intro grows on you if you listen to it a bunch of times.
I loved it, this was the only Star Trek I watched all the way through
Philistine
i just watched it because T'Pol was a tease...
She lost a lot of weight in season 4, even though she was already skinny, but became anorexic, it seemed very unpleasant to watch.
Goorpijp Wessel You've got issues. The series was great and she was a big part of that.
Oh I disagree that the Vulcans were poorly written in the opening. I think it's inane the concept of totally emotionless beings, because then there'd be no desire to do anything. Exploration, technological advancement, hell even general altruism would be stunted if not totally muted. I liked that the vulcans were sneaky and conniving, it makes far more sense for what is effectively an emotionally diminutive race to be more amoral, it also makes sense that extreme circumstances eventually crack the vulcan veneer of emotionlessness, at least in some cases.
Keego Bricks. The Vulcans of TOS were not emotionless. Their culture frowned upon expression of emotion. Spock fought a constant battle to keep his emotions in check. And they could certainly be conniving. What about T'Pring trying to use Kirk to execute Spock?
Yeah they were pretty close to being emotionless, and don't forget Spock was half human. The writers kept flip flopping on them attempting to live without emotions and them actually being literally emotionless. Regardless of how outwardly emotive they were they still have to at least function on what they find more desirable and less desirable or else they'd be completely utilitarian, and none of the series in the franchise portrayed them as such. If the Vulcans are 'pretending' to be emotionless, sometimes their deliberately constructed delusions would have to show cracks on occasion.
I still say they were portrayed best in enterprise. Enterprise portrayed this quality best.
Excuse me. Just one interruption, please. "Voyager" had no quality of any kind. Thank you. I've said my peace. Please pardon the interruption.
ajmittendorf you don’t count the doctors character growth or seven of nines stories to be of quality?
@@MelonDoesStuff Seven of Nine had her "qualities", if you catch my drift. But once she appeared on the show, the women did all the action, and the men just stood at their consoles, looking impressive.
Steffen Ritter good point but the doctor episodes were great Star Trek.
I enjoyed enterprise back in the day for the most part. Even more so now. Enterprise has a regular spot in my rewatch list..
The Knuckleheads at Paramount screwed us , Enterprise it was getting ready to bust out and could have been a great addition to Star Trek Legacy but then the PC snowflakes got ahold of the Star Trek Legacy and brought us discovery, it's such a sorry show I've only seen the first two episodes and that's it ,not even going to bother with it such a waste of good Sci-fi.
actually it was Les Moonves of CBS that cancelled Enterprise, sold the film rights back to Paramount for them to make the disgraceful action trilogy, and was the main reason STD is such utter unwatchable crap. not to mention, still not canon.
@@@romancernjak as unwatchable as discovery actually is, Canon is not possible unless Paramount directly produces it: it is an unbendable feature of the lease contract paramount offers at whoever decides to produce ST. The show Has to be different enough to not be Canon, and that one of the reason because Klingons are that different. I guess if they haven't told it was ST and the ships were different nobody would have guessed it was ST Universe
Starring a ship other then Enterprize was a welcome change. My only problem with Discovery was that it's too over the top at times. Like at the end of the first season, literally all life in the entire universe depends on their success, why, because the Spore drive. That to me is really overselling it. The second season, more cliche time travel, again it tries to be too epic for it's own good.
Gotta say I really enjoyed the first two episodes, and most of season 1. I loved Captain Lora and how the show had so many twists and turns. Between the black female called "michael" and the gay relationship, which they got from another fan made Trek series btw, there is a strong feminist lgbtq agenda in play, the other series lacked. Discovery, the first Star Trek that should be rated R.
It's a great series mostly because i love that "this is one of the first ships out there", very low tech and they barely survive out there, it's nice.
I loved Season 4. It only pulled in something like 3 million viewers before it was canceled. But that is not the reason it was canceled, studio poltics was and the breakup of viacom. The Star Trek beginning movie was also sacrificed, not just season 5 of enterprise. The rebranded paramount hired JJ in 2006 to make star trek 2009 and the rest is history.
I thought it was total garbage, then i watched Discovery....
sethman75 you discover real garbage xD
Season 1 and 2 of DS9 was total garbage.
I also think Enterprise has aged very well too. Some of these episodes are going on like what 18 years old already (Oh god) and they still look great, seem real and yeah Star Trek tradition clearly states we have to have a dullard 2 seasons before it gets good so they nailed it. Enterprise didn't deserve the grief it got.
Yeah, you just made me feel old.
Enterprise was actually my first Star Trek and it was what led me to watching all the other series. While it's far from perfect I much prefer Enterprise over STD.