What Sandy "Adores" About the Genesis GV60
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- Sandy gives his thoughts on the styling, features, and driving experience of the Genesis GV60, a luxury electric SUV made on Hyundai-Kia's E-GMP platform.
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As a 1 year owner of GV-60, I can understand that living only 1 day with this car, Sandy had no chance to appreciate the convenience of all those buttons. This car is so packed with well thought technology that it takes about 1 month to getting used to them and most importantly appreciate their usefulness. In the end they all help you keep your eyes on the road and you hands on the wheel. An example of the versatility of this combination of screen and buttons is as follows; the screen is packed with information therefore more useful to go to when in park position. Especially that it is a little bit out of reach when driving. Therefore, when you want to scroll through the 3000 or so Sirius Stations, it is much more convenient to use the rotary dial that falls right under your hand. Or even better use your thumb to scroll through the stations by using the small sensor on the wheel with the stations being displayed on the heads up display. The same principle applies to an infinite number of functions. And when using the main screen for gps or Apple play, all those buttons become even more convenient.
With technology becoming a bigger part of cars, the options available to the driver are becoming more and more abundant. It is for the driver to choose how to configure the options available in his car for his preferred way of driving. It’s quite a bit like the 2 million apps in Apple store. No one needs them all but each of us chooses the ones that suits their lifestyle ! GV-60 is a great car to live with.
I would argue that if you have all this technology, but your interface still requires dedicated physical buttons, then you've failed on both the UX and UI fronts.
ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE BEHIND THE TIMES THEY ARE OLDER THAN COMBUSTION ENGINE VEHICLES SANDY MUNRO=DUMBFVCK
I couldn’t agree anymore with you! I own the GV60. It is my all-time favorite car.
I used to work in computer games development and user interface and menus played an important part of each tittle I worked on. A good interface should be intuitive and easy to use. The GV60 interface is both intuitive and the various physical buttons, levers, switches, paddles, rotaries, toggles, jog wheel and touch screens means it has brilliant ergonomics. It’s the exact opposite of the minimalist implementation of the Tesla and the GV60 is better for it.
My only argument I’ll throw out for stalks vs steering wheel buttons is that they’re always in the same place. If you’re steering and need to hit a signal switch or something it’s nice not to have to hunt for it.
YOU , dont need ANY action while Turning,
its a DISTRATION. and Dangerous .
even TESLA FSD the Turn signals are AUTOMATIC on City Streets.
@@markplott4820 That's when buying a beamer you'd have to opt for the blinker package. Rarely see it in use on those cars.
@@randreas69 You need to indicate when existing the roundabout. That can be challenging when you have turn signals incorporated into the steering control.
@@trizvanov Ask how I know, I'm Norwegian and they put up a roundabout at every 200m. Did you check out Tesla Bjørn's rant of the Palladium.. he's just putting on a show as always but he had a point.
@@randreas69 I watch Bjørn's videos once in a while. Not sure what an opinion of one person has to do with this though.
I am simply pointing out what most of others are saying about putting buttons on the steering wheel.
Personally, I go by the philosophy of "muji", where simplicity is the key, so buttons instead of stalks are most definitely do not bother me at all.
Perfect example of why manufacturing engineers shouldn’t get last say on interface design. I love Sandy but i also love multi-modal user input and tactile buttons. Apple has made a similar take on computers with their refusal to incorporate touch screens on the laptops. It turns out that some tasks are better suited to touch, and some keys; and that the laptop form factor doesn’t inherently force one over the other, so it’s just an arbitrary design choice to leave one out.
Another example could be volume knobs. yes, touch screens can handle volume adjustment but it’s not as efficient or safe as a volume knob which can be adjusted by feel without requiring driver to move focus from the road.
You are just afraid you lose your grandfather license when you endorse changes. I am not old enough to stop wanting to learn and change.
I'm on Sandy's side of that argument.
It's all clutter. Get rid of it. I disagree with the padles since they are being used to toggle something that the driver will only probably ever set once. I would give stickless a try If I trade in my model 3 sometime for a cybertruck. I may do just that in a couple years, but until then I like having the sticks.
Tactile instruments which are used frequently while driving make sense. Instruments that are only used on rare occasions, or when a different driver takes over can be relegated to a computer panel.
@@chimerawizard5639 I like a steering implement.
Form follows function. yoke is ok, Double-8 is ok, metal rings are not ok, joystick is too twitchy.
I would currently not trust a brain implant from iBraintrust or iNeuralink.
As long as we are not allowed to drive safely with FSD (the UN is too afraid to allow us safe driving) the next best thing is having "no stalks".
Just to be able to annoy my kids who are undecided.
Again.
Annoy them.
Because its fun!
@@wolfgangpreier9160 I wouldn't trust a brain implant either. That's some real dystopia stuff.
UN & FSD:
I mean, a robotaxi just drove 20' with a person stuck underneath the other day in California. I understand not wanting to get rid of the human element just yet.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 You sure are annoying. Yay for you.
GV60 has a digital key/smart phone mode, granted as a press car one is stuck with the ginormous key fob. It also does have face recognition and finger print scanner so no need to carry the key fob at all. Two of the buttons Sandy did not know what they were for are to remotely pull car forward or backward which might be handy in a tight parking spot
That's good information, thank you!
Now explain how that is Sandy's fault for not knowing.
@@davidbeppler3032Ah he could have read the user’s manual like the rest of us? Is that too difficult for an expert? Lol.
Sandi is clueless in so many ways. Makes a lot of assumptions. He really is out of touch
Some people are sold on Tesla's no-button, minimalist MO. But plenty of others abhor needing to use a touchscreen for basic, frequent tasks. Sandy is right about the parts, complexity, and cost. But plenty of folks like a hard button to change volume, a stalk to turn on blinkers, and a physical gear selector. There is a fine line between simplicity and confusion, though. And of course how many makers have taken things too far and removed physical volume controls. Lastly, when done well, physical controls give the driver a sense of occasion & sophistication. Not everyone wants cold minimalism. I think Genesis' brand fits this look better.
Right. I don't want to be three clicks away from having to change certain settings. Or a different screen away. You can have physical buttons for certain things and have it still look clean. My Ioniq 5 does a great job of this.
TESLA its SIMPLY better, and LESS of a Distraction.
not you again lol@@markplott4820 Its much more of a distraction rooting through menus in a screen then just pressing a phsyical button my dude
@@leaving_marks It is much more simple to push one button for everything like on my Tesla. Push the button, wipers on. Push the same button, open glove box. Push the same button, turn on the defrosters. Push the same button, turn on heated seats. Push the same button, open the trunk. Push the same button, navigate to the nearest supercharger.
@@davidbeppler3032okay but you have to change the screen for the button to do different things.. no thanks.
As a button person with huge fingers that are dirty all of the time even when they are clean. I don't agree with Sandy on this point.
I work with my hands and have thick calluses on them and my fingers. I get cuts and grit in my finger prints and they Crack in the Winter.
I wash them constantly but then have to apply lotion or balm of some kind.
Touch pads are bad for me and only work sometimes or with repeated touching. They get scratched and dirty after a short time.
I also don't want to take my eyes off of the road or search through menus or run sliders.
Give me tactile controls for common things, including a radio volume knob and push button mute.
It is fine to have settings and programming through the touch pad but not everything.
Also in the Winter in our area it gets extremely cold. Things need to be able to manipulated with gloves that are common use.
Also inside door latches to get out need to be manually operated without power.
Sandy, you’re a man after my own heart, but I personally prefer the buttons on the steering wheel rather than talking to the car or a scroll wheel that I can’t remember all of the things it does.
I like a start button, its like starting an E-type Jag or my aircraft.
We’re all different, which makes the world more interesting.
steering buttons are absolute must for me. i gotta have it for cruise control, volume and etc. absolute must!
7:25 Removing the blinker stalk and putting the buttons on the steering wheel is a really stupid idea.
No problem when you want to take a normal corner but you cannot find the buttons when you want to leave a roundabout while turning the wheel.
In the USA roundabouts are almost non existent. So, for the US market a stalk-less design would work better than in Europe, where roundabouts are very common. In fact, in some countries you might get fined for not using the blinkers properly on a roundabout. And when leaving a roundabout.
@@ghostindamachine I'm seeing more and more 4 way stops converted to roundabouts where I live.
But using turn signal inside the roundabout only confuses other drivers, since every turn is a right turn.
Roundabouts or turn circles are demonstrably safer for drivers; compared to conventional intersections, there are fewer accidents. Fewer accidents mean fewer insurance claims, so ultimately insurance could be cheaper. They save fuel because there is less need to come to a complete stop and re-accelerate; because of this, they also save time. Roundabouts are far cheaper than traffic lights to install and maintain. The main problem with roundabouts are the people who are always opposed to change. Using turn signals in a roundabout is a good idea, some places mandate the use of turn signals in roundabouts. The main problem with using turn signals in roundabouts, as you pointed out, is people who are opposed to change. I mean, even in conventional intersections, some people have always been resistant to using turn signals; there is a name for such people, but the name escapes me right now. @@ThisGuyRides
Sandy, moving the turn signals from the stalk to the steering wheel would be the opposite of intuitive for anyone who has ever driven a car (except for the new the Tesla S/X).
If my turn signals ever relocated to a moving surface I'd stop using them. BMW should look into this since they probably have user metrics to support this. Jokes aside, everything Munro is heavily weighted towards production optimization. Some people find joy in little fiddly buttons and quirky details, these doesn't seem to have a place in their analysis. For that you have to look elsewhere.
@@carlfe4891 I am in that group that likes buttons for quick A/C and radio functions, stalks for turn signals, screen behind the steering wheel and better yet heads-up display but guess they are too expensive for Sandy. I also still prefer writing in a keyboard attached to my PC rather than in my little phone.
Intuition isn’t the same as a trained behavior.
True, and going through roundabouts (mandatory to use turn signals on exit) is a nightmare without stalks. Stalks are in known places not depending on the current position of the steering wheel.
Tesla FSD the turn signals are AUTOMATIC.
Nice to have Sandy back doing in front camera appearances with new EVs.😊
I disagree about the steering wheel buttons. I use them often to increase and raise volume, change radio stations, turn on/off cruise control and lane keep assist, and it allows me to keep my eyes on the road.
7:27 Don’t remove the stalks for heavens sake!
Stupid idea. On a race car steering wheel that goes lock to lock from 8pm to 4am it makes sense, but not in a normal car where the steering wheel goes round multiple times. I want to be able to turn the wheel and hit the indicator at the same time thank you
I drive an Ioniq 5. I am happy i don't have to go through settings menus to fold in mirrors, adjust lights etc. compared with the trend of other EV manufacturers to cuts costs (or to customers: 'provide a clean minimalist user interface'). If anything for ergonomics I think it needs more buttons (for the climate control at least), which is one of the many areas the GV60 improves upon the Ioniq 5.
He says he wants the controls to be intuitive early on, then later complains about the stalks on either side of the steering wheel. The left stalk controls of lights and turn signals and the right stalk controls of wipers and windshield washer are STANDARDIZED. The stalks are among the most intuitive controls in that car. Yet Munro wants to get rid of them, despite wanting the controls to be intuitive.
To me, having the phone, voice command and radio controls on the steering wheel is great, as I use them quite often.
Sandy's insights are always interesting. As an owner from new of a humble Kia e-Niro (Niro EV in the USA) since 2019 I can say that the Hyundai Motor Group seem to be doing something right with EVs. I too like the paddles behind the steering wheel for adding or subtracting regeneration. After 90,000 km and nearly 5 years with this car I can't imagine driving an EV without it. The car has been totally reliable so far and a recent battery health check shows that all 294 cells are reaching the correct max voltage...so the BMS is not even using the 3.5 kWh of buffer yet. We are retired folks living in France so we hope this car will go the distance, it seems as well built as any premium brand car I drove during my working life.
I get the feeling Korean made Hyundai/Kia cars are far more reliable than Hyundai/Kia made in the US.
A few things: luxury usually involves conservative designs. Don't put things in uncommon places. Secondly, buttons and knobs give you tactile feedback. Touch screens require you to home your fingers by looking at the screen (and not on the road), and the user interface comes with some form of modal change to get to the appropriate screen. For the common things (some HVAC controls, heated/ventilated seat, heated steering wheel controls, radio/media player controls, wiper controls, headlights, turn signals, phone call) there should be knobs or switches. Everything else can be touchscreen. The last thing you want to have happen, is to be fully engaged in driving either on a curvy road, or in a snowstorm, and have to deal with a user interface which requires you to take your eyes off the road for more than a second and a half to do something mundane, like turn off the heated seat that's frying your ass.
This is outdated thinking. Having had multiple cars over the last 10 years that have all of those things on a touch screen, I can say that the idea that you need a muscle memory location of a physical button is far from the truth. Nobody that is "fully engaged" in a driving situation is going to take their hands off the wheel regardless if the action is for a physical button or a touch screen.
@@cadman10000 sure you are! to adjust the volume or change your heated seat setting. Hiding this behind a menu, or or using touch will require you to remove your eyes from the road. a knob, or a switch within reach, not so much.
The too many buttons issue is really a balancing act. I think Tesla has gone way too far in the minimalist direction, but I agree that lots of cars have too many redundant buttons. Neither extreme is intuitive
No. Tesla Ferrari Lamborghini have taken just the right steps. I miss Citroen in this list. They were the best in the 1970s.
We must get rid of our grandfathers tech. It’s time to disrupt and change.
I’m confused… aren’t Ferrari wheels and dashboards full of buttons? And like I said, it’s a balancing act. Progress is a good thing, but not all change is advancement. Let the robotaxi have no buttons. When neuralink can execute my thoughts on the vehicle that will be great, but for now I want a car that has stalks and hvac buttons. I suppose you know what they say about opinions.
I agree, buttons and knobs are easier for radio and climate control!
@@wolfgangpreier9160sorry, the sarcasm finally sunk in on the second read😂
@@MoreOnEVs Its a so called double entendre.
Tesla advances into the future virtually uncontended, maybe some Chinese from BYD are staying inside the 150 mile off shore mark.
And at the same time oldtimers like Lambos, Ferraris or Ford and VW are worshipped. I guess because of good looks?
And it was all because of "no stalks".
If we tell this sory to our grand grand kids, sitting in a climatized communal bunker in Nowosibirsk drinking our daily dose of Soylent Green they will not believe us.
And yes, i've expected some people demanding good old fathrish stalks because whats good for our grandfathers is good for us.
Do no change! Always look for yesterdays better times.
I guess i know how i will name my CT. "Not a truck without no stalks".
And i will not mount a Not a Flamethrower. Just to confuse everybody. Because: Why not?
“Simplicity is the mark of a genius”. -Plato
I don’t many any offense, but I suspect this is what the Tesla designers are telling themselves. Honestly, if they would dress up the interior even a little, and do something about the build issues, I’d take another look. I’m going to see how the Cybertruck pans out after a few years and maybe get in line for that.
Removing turn signal stalks is the mark of a moron.
Cybertruck with no rear mirrors. How minimalist further down can you go ? @@kippck3137
Sandy, there is an army of us that HATE the steering wheel buttons on the tesla. I bought two evs last year, really looked at the teslas, but ended up going with this and an ioniq5 because I can’t stand the tesla interior. My wife got in one I had tried out as a rental and she asked me if it was a “prototype”. I like most (not all) of the buttons in the GV60 because - as I’ve gotten used to them - my hands have just learned where everything is and I don’t think about it and I don’t have to look at the screen, feels much safer on the road. I’m also a corvette driver (which has a lot of buttons) and play the piano, so maybe that’s part of it.
An army of one? Disagree on the safety of having a hundred of tiny buttons all over the place with cryptic icons or labels. Having the screen only show the buttons that are needed in the mode you are in dramatically simplifies things and I feel is safeter. It takes a few days to get used to it, but I'd never go back to the button clutter of legacy cars. On Tesla (and Genesis) you can also access a lot of controls via voice which is nice.
Still go with what makes you happy and confident - any EV is a huge step up from obsolete ICE cars and congrats on joining the EV future!
Not an army of one, every single non tesla owning ev driver I have talked to - I make a point of asking. We are just quiet about it because saying anything negative about tesla causes you to get yelled at on sites like this.
@@kippck3137 - It's always fair to voice your complaints or concerns. I think Tesla gets a bum rap for features many look at or try for a few minutes, but once you regularly use them, you find they work quite well. I've heard this from so many Tesla owners that were surprised at things they though were a negative turned out to be quite positive. Anyway, I'm happy you switched to an EV that works for you. Nothing wrong with having different opinions and you should never be yelled at for them!
@@kippck3137not yelled at.. just dismissed as a boomer. Wanting more buttons is akin to prefering blackberry keyboard phones or not liking DVDs because you cant rewind them..
I’m not a boomer. Sandy is though. Do you “dismiss” him too?
I disagree on the buttons. Glass cockpits are for reducing cost to the Manufacturer not helping the driver. Hate working my way through menus. Oh by the way, the next software upgrade will change the menus. So its figure it out all over again. Glass cockpits have been in aviation since the late 80s/90s. It is a nice car.
Always enjoy your unbiased reviews! Thx
He is a Tesla guy. He is biased
The buttons are great for those like me that absolutely loath finger smeared touchscreens everywhere. I like the physical buttons that feel different than each other and muscle memory easily locates without having to look at some cluttered display that forces you to pause with your eyes off the road while scrolling through multiple displays.
Without a car that fully takes over driving at a 100% confidence level, the current over use of touchscreens to me is a liability that will make many, more distracted drivers than they already are. Giving Cell Phone Distracted Divers 1 or 2 more touchscreen devices to track doesn't seem like the best idea in the world to me.
This is one of the only areas where I tend to disagree with Sandy.
The only thing that makes me take pause with Genesis is it being a Hyundau/Kia product which is based on how they haven't honored their warranties too many times on vehicles with well known issues that they promised to take care of which has negatively impacted friends and family who owned those vehicles. It will take some time with them walking the straight and narrow to convince me this leopard has actually changed its spots.
Best!
Thank you for a great review it's good to see you back on RUclips. The one thing I don't understand is the use of paddles. If you want less regen move your foot a little bit off the accelerator if you want a lot of Regen you take your foot completely off. For anyone who has used a sewing machine it's the same type of action the harder you push the faster you sew and if you slowly move your foot off it will move more slowly.
Love the exterior with smooth headlights and taillights. Love the crystal ball. Similar crystal start button on Aston Martin.
Well Sandy I think if you get some more driving time in the GV 60 you will more than love it , I have had mine for 16 months now and it only get better dirt roads winter snow roads -20c all amazing . As for the dial mouse it took me a while but once you get onto it 100% love it , I found with putting my finger onto the screen I had to look where to put it with the mouse so much easier , I like having the buttons also I find going through the screens a pain , also I dont want to use my mobile phone for everything like Tesla . I agree the steering wheel is a little cluttered but again I got use to it . I really think Genesis is starting to lead the way with EV and the price is not that bad. Thank you for your video its good to hear someones point of view with positive and negative feed back.
Some of us don't want to deal with screens and menus to change a setting. Some of us are willing to pay a few hundred dollars for real buttons. Buttons can be poorly done but when done well I think just about everyone can appreciate them. I'm sure some appreciate the minimalist look of the Tesla interior but I'm not one of them. I want the interior to be functional.
🙋♂️THANKS SANDY AND THE MUNRO TEAM FOR SPEAKING YOUR MIND…ON WHAT YOU ADORE 🤗 AND WHAT YOU DO’NT 😬💚💚💚
Thanks Sandy, Genesis looks great, nice upholstery and finish. Would that car be in the US $ 50-60 range? Every new EV takes a while to get used to. We just bought a 64Kwh MG4. (maybe not available in North America or has to pay a high tariff?)
Really smooth drive but suspension is a bit firm so feel the bumps in our New Zealand roads. approximate cost excluding on road costs and GST is US $29,000 It is eligible for our Clean car rebate of around $US 3,700.
The Model Y has 2nd row adjustable seatbacks. I agree on the regen and buttons but I want the turn signal stalk!
I had the first Genesis Sports Coupe when it was a Hyundai ICE car, and I absolutely loved it. I have to credit bad marketing for it's quick demise, but it was a perfectly priced Camaro/Mustang killer in 2010 when it launched. Oh well.
Im sure Ill get over turn stalks but I do like em
I would love to find some articles from 120 years ago that explained why ICE vehicles would never replace horses. And compare that with modern-day arguments about EVs that will never replace ICE.
I am so glad to see I am not the only one to think like that !
❤The first key fob harmonica. 😂
Cheers mate
I took an Xpeng G9 out for a test drive just over a month ago.
I’ll go along with Sandy’s comments re total overkill on button clutter in that one too. I did appreciate having an instrument screen in front of the driver.
The break pedal was offset to the right, which for me is a no-no in a 2-pedal car as I intuitively left foot break in automatics.
It was otherwise a very comfy and luxurious place to be but didn’t make me feel part the furniture/vehicle though it reminded me of my previous BMW X5.
Single foot breaking never felt natural and with the offset break pedal, that made it worse.
Directly afterwards I took a Tesla Model Y long range for a spin.
Obviously smaller, devoid of button clutter with all the ostentatious ‘luxury’ items/details.
I missed the instrument binnacle/screen in front of the driver but other than that it was a much better feel/experience.
Had a bigger better placed break pedal that I ended up not using at all as Tesla’s single pedal function was so intuitive and felt like I could 100% trust it. I was offered to test the Performance model but frankly I was quite taken with how much ‘oompf’ was on tap with the loud pedal and next to no effort that any more power would be totally superfluous.
What’s an Xpeng? Worst name for a car brand.
50 year old , driven a number of brands of ice vehicles(no enthusiast). Test drove model y lrawd, ioniq 5rwd, ev6 rwd, id4 and gv60 std, on a same day… picked up ev60 based on comfort /quality of interior, exterior design, buttons(!), hwy safety and decent range.
After a month of ownership and got back to model y(a friend of mine who agreed to swap his model y for a week), two questions in mind:
1. Why people buy ice over ev?(except commercial fleet trucks)
2. Why people pick tesla y over gv60….
Maybe internet is such powerful influence……
"Intuitive" means not having to scroll through menus on a screen while you're driving, and putting yourself and your passengers at risk
But keeping your eyes on the road and your hands on on the steering wheel
Because you know (without taking your eyes off the road)
Which button does exactly what you need
I agree about the push button start. We have a model y and a Bolt. electric cars are essentially always on, the push button start is such a contrivance. It feels like having a start button on a horse.
LOL I like the horse analogy.
Try putting an indicator on while turning when button on thr wheel
Have you compared the standard to the advanced ? I have a truck to go to the snow. Do i really need AWD?
Could we get your updated thoughts on the new pictures of the cybertruck frame that was found in a scrap heap?
Nice review…
The 700v platform is huge… my gv60 charges so fast…. All the other cars take forever to charge… that said I’m sure the teslas charge fast as well, it’s just the Tesla’s cannot match the interior of the Genesis.
I feel Like I’m in a cab with the Tesla, the comfort and pleasing look
Of the Genesis Is unmatched so far.
I was surprised Sandy was so subdued during his eval… wonder if he was so blown away he was a little in shock.
Love the channel and appreciate his review.
Missing was how much cost (to build and to replace when broken) the glowing shifter crystal illuminated and rotating sphere !!!
It is Sandy Approved!
Changed my model 3 for the gv60 and are delighted. Tesla interface is distracting and frankly dangerous! Was happy to pay the difference.
Agree clutter...thanks 4 video
I had to chuckle when Sandy commented the color. Without seeing it in real life, it is hard to comment but too me it looked muted. Surprised he did not comment on the glowball in the center console granted Carl cut it shreds already. As the late Steve Jobs said, part of their success at Apple was editing and taking out things that were not needed or redundant, looks like many OEMs are still in the camp of being all things to all people when it comes to HMI
Some people don’t want their key on the phone. Some of us want a key fob.
I agree. However the GV60 gives multi options for vehicle entry - key fob- manual or on-approach or Phone App (Digital Key) or Facial Recognition or Physical Key Card.
I agree a start button should not be needed. It is a waste of cost for the builder and for the driver, it is extra step not needed. I love having a vehicle where I just climb in and I step on the brake, shift, and drive off. Builders win with less complexity and cost by dropping the start button. The Hyundai Group has made huge improvements over the decades and seem to be the first legacy builder to have an EV program that is getting good results. They are likely to make the transition to the EV dominated market that is coming quickly.
I like the dial. I don't want to reach to touch the screen while I'm driving
Thanks Sandy! I am now convinced that Genesis is trying to copy the Audi e-tron! Virtually identical interior characteristics - lot of buttons and paddles on the steering wheel, and those wunnerful grab handles above each door. etc. Audi aims for the traditional driver who is not necessarily in to minimalist interiors. I am a former Tesla driver (Model S and Model Y) but I much prefer the Audi controls and quality interior and exterior. I drive a 2024 Q8 etron. Have you checked out the 2024 Q8 etron? While it looks identical to prior years inside and out, it does have better steering and better regen.
Makes sense they have a former Audi designer at the helm for the entire Hyundai group
Genesis isn’t trying to copy the eTron lol.
Tell Sandy that the paddles also have a 'long hold' (more than 1 second) to get to iPedal (left paddle) or Smart Recuperation (Auto) (right paddle) based on driving style and with different levels (five) of regen and three levels of braking intensity.
Oh I wish it was like that, but the modes and UI of the paddle controls is not symmetrical. i-pedal is just the last step (basically max regen) in the manual Regen adjustment range. One tap in or out of that mode, It doesn’t lock in. It won’t stay in that mode after start/stop of the car being ON. Getting in and out of auto-regen requires the click-hold. And that setting persists after an off/on cycle. I WISH it would lock into i -pedal the way it does the auto mode.. it would be a more intuitive UI. Also if i parked the car in ipedal then i likely want it in that mode when i next restart the car.
I think the 'not locking in' is part of a safety regulation.
Btw. I do drive an IONIQ 5 (top level AWD)
@@PeterKyllesbeckI suspect you are right.. either an actual regulation or self imposed. I still wish the UI was more intuitive.. it would make a lot more sense if you locked in/out of I-pedal the way you do auto-regen
You’re right, I am spoiled with my Tesla. You walk up get in and go. When you stop, you leave and it locks. Why other cars so complicated even with their fobs?
i'm old school and i really hate this about tesla.
I see the debate about buttons, stalks, touchscreens and so on. Despite some people’s strongly held opinions on both sides of the argument, the real issue for me is that we have choice, everyone’s bases are covered. We should be happy with that and choose the one that suits us best and accept that others will choose what suits them. There are some superb EVs out there now.
Turn signals on the steering wheel as buttons is a no go. Impossible to operate in roundaboats. Also having to touch the screen for gear select as in 3/S/X is unfavorable. I used to drive a TMX and now drive a TMY. If the next gen TMY become a highland copy, my next car will not be a Tesla unfortunately. Simplification can go to far.
If Sandy is opposed to buttons, maybe he should try to get his hands on a BYD!
Sandy is all about cheap. For me this is a luxury car that allows customization for each individual.
Because my ram has a physical button and software buttons that MOVE where they are located, after 3 years I've still never developed the muscle memory where things are located. I agree, remove the physical buttons but ONLY IF the software buttons are ALWAYS in the same place.
In simplicity, people spending that kind of money expect a feast for the eyes and senses, no amount of explaining the virtues of uncluttered yet logical and clinical design will sway them. It's what they want to spend THEIR money on.
Hi Sandy, I may be close to your age, but I take a different viewpoint. I am a sports car guy and having driven a Tesla for the past 3 years, I miss all the direct-input buttons and gauges and displays. I want to get back to them. It is much like the pro digital cameras that I like to use. The mark of a consumer-grade camera is that it is built to cut costs and most of the important settings are buried in menus. The pro cameras have all sorts of buttons to quickly select the settings you need "at the touch of a button".
And yet 99% of cameras today are on touchscreen phones with 1 button if that
@@hunternewberry5860 Yeah, how many serious wildlife photographers and Pro sports photographers, on the sidelines, do you see using smartphones to take photographs?
I have pro grade cameras, 95% of the functions are still through the screen via a menu. From a function perspective my cameras have 1 or 2 mode dials a live view, focus buttons, some ISO,WB, Exp Compensation and a menu dial. The other functions are generally set-and-forget at least for that session.
This is the equivalent of 2 multi function buttons on the steering wheel and 2 stalks. Every function I need in normal driving circumstances is at my fingertips or via voice command, There is not 1 single function I have ever needed while driving that I needed to touch the screen for.
@@TB-up4xi You are right. It is ok to have basic setup items buried in the menus, but you should have the primary adjustments you need on the body where you can change them without taking your eye away from the viewfinder or from the road.
Don't remove the buttons! As a mechanic I get paid well to replace them when they get covered in coffee and short out!
It really is a beautiful car, buttons and all. There are only two things that I don't like: the front-to-back cupholders, and the minimal range. Ergo, I'd opt instead for its "sister" Ioniq 5 to replace my current Tesla -hopefully sooner rather than later!
Look for Ioniq5 price cuts in 2024, there were already price cuts annouced for next year on Ioniq6
I’d be interested to hear why you are going from a Tesla to an Ioniq 5?
I’m a very happy GV60 owner and after nearly 2 years of ownership my advice to friends considering getting an EV is firstly do you really need to buy - could lease or hire be a better option, particularly in this time of expected massive price reductions and progressive leaps in tech particularly battery range and efficiency. And in terms of which EV what is it that you don’t like about a Tesla - the supercharger network, fully loaded as standard specification and cavernous interior makes it a compelling choice.
Only if one can’t abide the minimalist interior or feels the size (4.750m) is too large ( it won’t fit in UK city parking spaces or multi-storey car parks) or finds the interior/exterior styling not to their taste should one then looking elsewhere.
For me both the size and minimalist interior were deal breakers- the GV60 is 23.5cm shorter so better suited for my driveway and city parking, my family situation and sporting and activity interests are such I don’t need that cavernous space and was happy to pay a premium for something a little more luxurious.
Why would you want to take your hands off the wheel and search for an item when you can simply press a button in front of you
removing the turn signal stalk is a crazy idea of a person who never heard about roundabouts.
He had me at "I'm Sandy next to the Genesis", he said standing.. how are they going to sell the 70s design language here in Norway?
Simple, short and clear = > MUNRO LIVE!
How many people have sat in this car and have prayed it for what it is a great care
I love “remnants” from the past.
Cory Steuben is now with Lucid.
In the 80's I drove some cheap ford rent car in Israel and the blinkers were on the steering wheel! Now I know who to blame! SANDY! :) Keep the blinker stock!
That crystal ball looks elegant, but wonder what happens if some sand or dirt is caught in mechanism.
Very well stated!
"everything is double dipped" - ignoring the fact that it gives clients choice of preferences and the redundancy to still use a function if something is button malfunctioning
1:44 the exact opposite of what Sandy saying at the time - the top gap is wider than the bottom, panels don't line up vertically and the horizontal gap is twice as large as the vertical bottom panel gap
Amazing how many of these you will see at the country club
I want the touch screen to disappear. Leave a small screen behind the wheel for juice guage and speed, temperatures and indicator lights
The giant key-fob is a status symbol. It means you have "made it"
I hate start-stop buttons on EVs and love unlock upon entry with lock upon departure. All EVs should do this.
Not if you have Vehicle to Load function which requires a distinction between the traction battery engaged for driving and engaged for off-loading power by upto two outlets one of which can be external. The rotary gear-shift is visible in one mode and not the other.
It only $ 106.000 in Australia
I prefer common tasks to be accessible by button (mainly for safety reasons - I don't want to be turning my head away from the road to swipe through a screen just to activate some feature) so disagree with his focus on elimination of so many buttons.
Comment doesn't belong here but-- I just bought a 2024 Hyundai Tucson Hybrid for the illusion of being green. I calculated it will take 120K-ish miles for the increased milage to savings to equal the added cost of the hybrid- Since YOU GUYS COST THINGS OUT-- How much energy is require to create the electric motor and the 1.5 KWH batt to drive it? with a real world mpg diff of 8-12 between versions- how many miles must be driven before the energy / CO2 saved exceeds the energy / CO2 required to make the ele sys? You guys must know this and would be helpful to know.
BWT- there are many stupid design and implementation issues with this car. For example- the 90+ DB back horn!!! which wakes the neighborhood each morning. the quiet cabin hid this from me prior to purchase- and I thought I could turn it off with software control- I Cannot!
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Where are the tear downs?
Ok I have hard disagree on turn signal stalk. We have a lot of rental teslas over here, and none of them use turn signals properly.
No NACS connection plus way too many buttons!
I’ll stick with my Model 3.
Friend had one that was such a disaster that the dealer took it back.
Same with the '23 Mitsubishi Outlander which my wife just got....too many buttons and there seems to be about three different ways to do the same thing on it. Maybe it's a Japanese and Korean thing?
My wife can't change the radio stations on her Mazda.
I think it is a luxury car perception thing. If you look at old luxury cars they had a lot of pretty buttons and dials. I think the Asians are looking for that association. Also most Asian design is anti minimalism (Japanese design is an exception except for the cars?!)
Taste change and so do usage/funcionality. A lot of people nowadays prefer understatement and minimalism. Minimalism is actually very hard to obtain. Construction of a minimalist house is more expensive as any imperfection is seen right away. Personally, I really like the modernity, minimalism and luxury feeling of the Tesla. But as much as I dislike most current luxury car interiors I still really like the old ones.
I am glad there is a choice of products for all to enjoy.
Put NACS on it and it's a winner.
I'd pay 600 bucks just to have those buttons. screw touch screen everything. The interior rant is more like "they dont do it like tesla".
Getting rid of buttons and have everything bury under layer of touch screen menu is not only counter intuitive but also dangerous to operate while driving. I'd rather paying extra to keep all those buttons so you can operate them while keep your eyes on the road!
Voice command to activate wiper are just ridiculous. How long is the delay between you press the button and have the system recognize the command and activate the wipers? 5 sec? Good luck with that in an emergency situation!
Amazing how fast Kia/hyundia/Genesis arrived with all these EV’s! Where is everyone else like Big 3. Many car companies offer hybrids, Where are the Big 3? Japanese Prius came out first with a hybrid. Why not trucks initially as more space for batteries. Where were the Big 3. 1970 oil embargo, Japanese fuel sippers vs Detroits muscle cars. 2008 Big 3 bailout needed as trying to switch from fleet sales to global competition. Now 2023 Big 3 trying to catch up to EV’s. Stellantis just bought a huge chunk of Chinese Leap EV’s to be rebadged Jeeps. Chinese tsunami of cheap rebadged EV’s are coming. Some German auto manufacturers thinking of rebadging Chinese EV’s like BMW. Glad Genesis coming out with full EV’s and beautiful styling. They have hired previous Aston Martin Executives and you can see the elegance in Genesis. Big 3 should be worried but no bailouts. I remember many years ago someone asking Toyota what car company were they afraid of. There was no hesitation as stated Hyundai/kia. They move really fast. If a styling or safety issue it was fixed fast.
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I totally agree with Sandy. It is a bit too busy. The doubling up of functions makes it less intuative, isn't practical and doesn't add function. lt steals the eye away from the other luxury items by making a feeling of clutter. A more luxurious steering wheel would be better money spent and make you feel more special and differentiated from a Hyundai or Kia.
I couldn’t disagree more. The ergonomics of physical controls is perfect and i’ve been driving the car nearly 2 years. It’s versatility is great - a couple of simple examples - if I’m in SAT NAV and want to know the name of a music track can use the on steering wheel haptic button and flick forward or backward and it will appear as an annotated album sleeve graphic in the HUD.
If I want to check on a setup configuration an interactive 3D graphic of the car can be brought up and using the easy to reach jog wheel can select a section of the car - Cluster or Seats for example and navigate quickly in the menu using the jog wheel functions.
The square knob on the side of the steering column looks strangely out of place.
He loves the interior...except for all the things in the interior....lol Classic Sandy....
Nice video, but I will say, there's only so much you can put on a steering wheel. They've already become overwhelming. Also, as long as EVs are expensive as they are, and the charging infrastructure is still lagging behind, people will be reluctant to buy one. Then there is the time it takes to charge the vehicle, and if you don't have a charging station at home, that becomes more of a problem. EVs will get there, but there are legitimate reasons why most people haven't bought one.
It would have been nice if Sandy listed some of the specifications of the vehicle. Weight, Power, Battery size, range and charging speed to name a few. These are the things that really matter to most customers who do research before they buy. I couldn't care less if the dash is cluttered with buttons and knobs or if it is all on a screen. I can adapt to anything.
No one in the real world wants everything controlled through a screen.
Yes they do. Buttons are shit and get nasty over time.
Voice commands are even better than the screen.
Can do almost anything with voice commands in my tesla or on the screen while its driving itself
Well, people still ride horses too, but only for fun.
@@hunternewberry5860 I didn’t say anything about voice controls, but I agree they have a place. I just like having tactile controls for HVAC and radio.
@@PlanetEarth3141 overused lol
@@thomas735 it doesnt when the car is driving itself. And its so easy to clean a Tesla. Buttons get grim in dirt in them that can never really be fully cleaned out