Awesome! You made me want this bike. Collin has made a name for himself in our sport. Cool to see one of my fuel siphon kits on this bike as well. Keep up all the good work and sharing your thoughts, Jed 🤘
@@jethro450 I can see changing ECU and mapping. But no thanks to adding bigger pistons, cams, etc, That stuff will make your bike run hot and wear out prematurely and more importantly less reliable which is a bad deal for snow biking. Okay for short duration hill climbs but I ain't getting stuck up in the woods in the winter.
@@powskier my buddy put 110 hrs on his build last winter, tore the motor down after the season… absolutely ZERO wear and tear. If done right, they can be reliable. In general I agree either way you and think the same way.
Nope. I’ve said several times I’ve never ridden one. They’re the unicorn of snowbike kits in Utah. I’ve only seen one once at a race. I’d love to ride one myself as I’ve heard mixed reviews. I’m sure they’re like anything else, it just needs setup right.
Have you ridden the new 126x3.25 track of MtnTop’s? I felt somewhat the same way as you about their first model year kit but this new one is pretty playful
I just Got back from a trip and got the chance to ride a brand new mountain top 126 with the 3.25 track on a 2023 KTM My setup is a 2023 KTM with a 120 CMX same exact bikes but completely different kits each has their pros and cons I will say at the end of the day I was pretty excited to get back on my 120 CMX 🤠 nothing against the mountaintop kit that thing did climb like like no other but I just have more fun on the CMX for some reason 🤷
@jethro450 I still want the clickers... The Riot 3 still gets the front end up better. mtn top is the perfect middle ground but I want the full spectrum. Stable and wheelie mode.
Wow that’s a ton of power to get out of a 450, I’m sure he has to run race gas and I’m sure maintenance intervals are increased significantly, question for you? Is the kit that much better than the timbersled or is it the extra 30% power that makes it that much better
I really like my riot3 pro. Horse power aside, I’d say my riot3 handles about 95% as good as the MtnTop. The MtnTop is more playful and has a lighter skin feel. But in my opinion, we’re not talking HUGE differences, but the difference is noticeable and that’s a big deal… if you know what I mean. Snow conditions make a big difference too. I’ve ridden them several times in the past and for some reason this day and under these snow conditions, man that thing just ripped! It really out performed the others that day. I really want to ride a riot3 gen2 back to back against it. Could be interesting.
I have the 2024 3.25 MTN. TOP kit and a 2022 riot 3s on identical hondas. The MTN top is subtly better. Its more efficient (uses less power / fuel). It has slightly better trail manners. But NOT night and day better. The front fork setup seems not as good as a fit kit. The chain adjustment may become problematic with corrosion as it requires specialized tools. Its a good kit, but most of what you see here is HP and the track setup for low ski pressure. As far as climbing, the 3.25 will outclimb the 3 but like always its snow condition specific. Its a incremental improvement. It is not a quantum leap. C3 makes an adapter for their wheel kit which helps with loading and unloading. The gas shocks make tuning easier. There is certainly room for them to remove weight with design changes as some machined parts are overly simplistic and thus heavy in weight.
@@jethro450 just surprising given the amount of time and attention to detail. When you sit down and do the math, it makes more sense to buy a brand new 450, pay the $6500 for Llyods, and add your flavor of snowbike kit and still be under the 31k asking price. It just doesn’t instill much confidence seeing people build these and sell them. The real question is longevity and reliability. Can it easily do 80hrs with no issues.
@@The_Snowbike_Channel. i have a 2021 gasgas built by lloyds and i have well over 280 hrs on it. and i beat on it like i stole it. not 82 hp tho but 70 on race gas. its 65 on pump 91. at the rear tire. its just a good port job. a cam porting of intake,. they have throttle body and exhaust and a bit better port job to do what they are doing. my brother has one built by lloyds and it still rippin and i bet he has 150 hours on it
@@The_Snowbike_Channel i rode with the guy once. he bleeds snowbikes and just wants to build the next best one. i think he likes the building part almost as much as riding.
Looks like fun, I'm still riding your 2014 YZ / 2017 le TS 😁
That was my second favorite setup. It’s still a great kit that floats well on the snow compared to the newer models
Awesome! You made me want this bike. Collin has made a name for himself in our sport. Cool to see one of my fuel siphon kits on this bike as well. Keep up all the good work and sharing your thoughts, Jed 🤘
I made myself want this bike!
"82 horsepower"??? How is that possible? I have a 23 ktm. Is it turbo?
Not turbo. Look up Lloyd’s Performance or find Karson Lloyd on Facebook
@@jethro450 I can see changing ECU and mapping. But no thanks to adding bigger pistons, cams, etc, That stuff will make your bike run hot and wear out prematurely and more importantly less reliable which is a bad deal for snow biking. Okay for short duration hill climbs but I ain't getting stuck up in the woods in the winter.
@@powskier my buddy put 110 hrs on his build last winter, tore the motor down after the season… absolutely ZERO wear and tear. If done right, they can be reliable. In general I agree either way you and think the same way.
@@jethro450 And he did all that big bore aftermarket piston stuff?
@@powskier yup. All I’m saying is there are ways to do it right but in general in I agree with you. I’ve never been a big bore fan
Have you you tried a cmx 120? I run a Lloyd’s ktm with the cmx rode the mtn top a few times now and wasn’t impressed
Nope. I’ve said several times I’ve never ridden one. They’re the unicorn of snowbike kits in Utah. I’ve only seen one once at a race. I’d love to ride one myself as I’ve heard mixed reviews. I’m sure they’re like anything else, it just needs setup right.
Have you ridden the new 126x3.25 track of MtnTop’s? I felt somewhat the same way as you about their first model year kit but this new one is pretty playful
I just Got back from a trip and got the chance to ride a brand new mountain top 126 with the 3.25 track on a 2023 KTM My setup is a 2023 KTM with a 120 CMX same exact bikes but completely different kits each has their pros and cons I will say at the end of the day I was pretty excited to get back on my 120 CMX 🤠 nothing against the mountaintop kit that thing did climb like like no other but I just have more fun on the CMX for some reason 🤷
@@jethro450 Would you like to set up a CMX demo? I could ask around our network and see who is near you, and might be able to meet up....
@@coastmountainsnowmx5923 let’s do it! I’d love to ride one. How do I get in touch with you?
How many teeth on front drive sprocket off engine?
14/18 on bike and drive and 18/22 in the chain case
Does this bike have a Rekluse on it or are you shifting gears?
Shifting
my goodness I cant wait to get on this kit
I think MtnTop is the best...not that I've ridden all the others but I think you can tell from studying them all.
It’s pretty obvious when you ride them all back to back
@jethro450 I still want the clickers... The Riot 3 still gets the front end up better. mtn top is the perfect middle ground but I want the full spectrum. Stable and wheelie mode.
@@goatmotosports me too! I love being able to switch how it feels on the fly for changing conditions
Wow that’s a ton of power to get out of a 450, I’m sure he has to run race gas and I’m sure maintenance intervals are increased significantly, question for you? Is the kit that much better than the timbersled or is it the extra 30% power that makes it that much better
I really like my riot3 pro. Horse power aside, I’d say my riot3 handles about 95% as good as the MtnTop. The MtnTop is more playful and has a lighter skin feel. But in my opinion, we’re not talking HUGE differences, but the difference is noticeable and that’s a big deal… if you know what I mean.
Snow conditions make a big difference too. I’ve ridden them several times in the past and for some reason this day and under these snow conditions, man that thing just ripped! It really out performed the others that day. I really want to ride a riot3 gen2 back to back against it. Could be interesting.
Oh, and he actually doesn’t have to run race gas… but he does for the extra 3 hp
I have the 2024 3.25 MTN. TOP kit and a 2022 riot 3s on identical hondas.
The MTN top is subtly better. Its more efficient (uses less power / fuel). It has slightly better trail manners. But NOT night and day better.
The front fork setup seems not as good as a fit kit. The chain adjustment may become problematic with corrosion as it requires specialized tools.
Its a good kit, but most of what you see here is HP and the track setup for low ski pressure.
As far as climbing, the 3.25 will outclimb the 3 but like always its snow condition specific.
Its a incremental improvement. It is not a quantum leap.
C3 makes an adapter for their wheel kit which helps with loading and unloading. The gas shocks make tuning easier.
There is certainly room for them to remove weight with design changes as some machined parts are overly simplistic and thus heavy in weight.
If it’s so good, why’s it for sale?
That’s what he does. He builds, fine tunes, and sells. Its called, making a living the fun way.
@@jethro450 just surprising given the amount of time and attention to detail. When you sit down and do the math, it makes more sense to buy a brand new 450, pay the $6500 for Llyods, and add your flavor of snowbike kit and still be under the 31k asking price. It just doesn’t instill much confidence seeing people build these and sell them. The real question is longevity and reliability. Can it easily do 80hrs with no issues.
@@The_Snowbike_Channel. i have a 2021 gasgas built by lloyds and i have well over 280 hrs on it. and i beat on it like i stole it. not 82 hp tho but 70 on race gas. its 65 on pump 91. at the rear tire. its just a good port job. a cam porting of intake,. they have throttle body and exhaust and a bit better port job to do what they are doing. my brother has one built by lloyds and it still rippin and i bet he has 150 hours on it
@@The_Snowbike_Channel i rode with the guy once. he bleeds snowbikes and just wants to build the next best one. i think he likes the building part almost as much as riding.
@@Snowbikebro2 is your brother Cameron?