Something similar has been done in the UK. Decommissioned London Underground D stock trains have been rebuilt and reused elsewhere in the UK including the Isle of Wight where they replaced 80 year old tube stock which was life expired and no longer repairable.
ya but UK ppl are more industrious .. - listen to that RT/TTC executive - he LOVES it being shut down makes his life easy. And even easier to sell parts of it to Detroit for some nice kickbacks or fringe benefits. Prob from queens school of business.
@@crabbcake "makes his life easier"??? Its going to save the taxpayer 500+ million. Plus the SRT would anyways have needed to be shut down for months, if not longer, to fix everything
yes. the more problems they create leading to shut downs the more simple their life is for the same exorbitant salary. It does not benefit the citizens to under utilize infrastructure. it is in the TTC's interest to provide the lowest quality service possible while paying themselves as much as possible for the least amount of work. And that is the attitude of that rep you see speaking. You really think Toronto has state of the art public transportation? @@Gfynbcyiokbg8710
@@thejackbox I mean, Edmonton has a subway, yet is far more dangerous than Detroit - but TBF I did think I was going to get killed riding the ETS afterdark
Companies are still building these trains. The SkyTrain Network in Vancouver uses the same trains and we are getting Mark V’s delivered literally right now.
yes but i wager vancouver aint spending [just] a million dollars on those x) it's a shame detroit didn't come knocking a few months ago, the USD has dropped recently.
@@ashermccreadythat was their choice to not rebuild the infrastructure which is cheaper than a new subway extension which hampered other projects like Eglinton east extension
It's shame Toronto never converted their subways to full skytrain/automated metro lines because they have so many advantages over existing tech or that more systems weren't built throughout Canada because the technology is STILL world class 40+ years later...
It’s certainly a shame for sure because it had so much potential as you said. Vancouver’s SkyTrain network uses the exact same technology and fleet as the SRT and look where it is now! Continuous upgrades and maintenance are a regular occurrence and look where it is nearly 40 years later!
Yes and no. They are still 40 year old trains that will need a major refurbishment and modifications to be able to run in Detroit, plus they'll have to pay for shipping
Why? Because they are worth more than that....And then coupled with the absolutely pathetically weak Canadian dollar...thats merely ~750,000$ USD. Its an absolute steal of a deal for Detroit
what else would we do with the trains? if we didnt sell them, they would have just been scraped or put off into a storage yard to decay. also who else would buy them
They already mentioned in the story that it will be sold for $1 million in USD (so the exchange rate has already been accounted for), and Detroit will also pay the TTC delivery fees. It's actually not a bad deal for Toronto as well, seeing as they're only selling 10-12 train cars which use 40-year old train technology.
Considering the financial condition of Detroit monorail and Detroit itself, it makes sense to get these trains and signals for parts. For when this system goes in Detroit, odds are it won't be replaced. That they will do the same thing Toronto is doing - buses. Not for the short term either - probably for the long term.
I thought they said in the story it was too expensive and cheaper in the long run to just use buses as an interim solution until the subway is extended to take care of it?
@@Buc_Stops_Here Disagree. In New York City Transit Authority they tore down The Third Avenue El in 1955 from Manhattan to the south Bronx messing up The east side Lexington Avenue Line. Then the these not so brainiacs wasn't satisfied the remainder of the line from 149th Street to Gun Hill Road was closed in 1973 for what ? Buses that replaced the former 8 train are 💯 overcrowded there was a Bronx 55 Bus which was to faded out current Buses such as Bx 15 & Bx 41 Buses are slow & inefficient. Not a smart move by the TTC my City never regrets what they did to their elevated lines.
@@HaroldAlexis-bb8sd they weren't stupid, it was intentional, they had money in the car companies, detroit used to have a tram line to toledo, racism and money ruined our cities
@@Ratboy2004. Why is the poster a " child " because they spoke the truth about the complete waste of money to rename a street or Dundas square. BTW Dundas square will always be Dundas square as will Dundas street, Dundas subway station. Just like Ryerson University will always be Ryerson know matter what they try to rename them. I think is so stupid to erase Canada's history. I'm proud of this country & those who have an issue with a street or univesity name should move out of Canada.
@@PLL02A Maybe I'm ignorant, but I literally did not know the origin of the person the street's named after until this was brought to the front. If that's the case, and the history wears off in time, why bother changing it? Stupid expensive when that money can be used in more pressing matters. (Improving transit, improving the housing shortfall, etc.)
Track system and components like switches. Canadian climate isn't very gentle with them and they require constant maintenance. Unfortunately maintenance is the cost often cut when money is short .
@@karoltakisobie6638 Detroits system is a very short one direction loop, therefore no switching required when in operation, just the one switch to get the train onto the loop and the one to get them off again. Detroit gets more snow than Scarborough but the system in Detroit isn’t mass transit, it is just connecting the hotels to a few sites around a very short loop. It is the most basic system you can find
@@karoltakisobie6638Exactly, SkyTrain delays in non-winter weather are almost always the result of some passenger acting up. However once it starts to really snow the switches give up and the trains run at reduced speed.
@@goldenretriever6261Toronto is by far the best city in Canada with the best transit system in the country despite its massive shortcomings. Toronto needs more funding, especially considering how much it actually contributes to the Canadian GDP.
I worked on both projects as I was a project manager for a supplier of the 3rd rail system. Given the heating cable for the 3rd rail was restricted to inside to the stations,this resulted in expansion/contraction problems and the subsequent shutting down of the line. Add in the problems with the loop, the system didn’t have a great future. I am not aware of Detroit or similar systems( including Vancouver) having these problems
That million dollars will go a long way to make the TTC run better. Who they kidding, it’s probably going to end up as bonuses for some top management.
@@AmurTiger yeah but the area the peoplemover is in is skycraper density, the ren cen would be a lot better with a subway connection, also theres enough empty area in detroit to upzone with little demolition
The accident was too costly to repair, it was going to be shut down this fall anyway and a subway will be built instead. I just wish the 10-year gap didn't exist between those things because it's shameful. They should just convert the RT trackbeds BACK to streetcar use since that's what they were originally designed and built but never used for... The Scarborough RT was a demonstration project hastily assembled but obviously long-lasting and well loved, myself included!
Finally Detroit doing something that actually makes sense. In other times they would have given a contract to a party donor for several millions per unit
its literally just 2 cars going on a small loop downtown. It barely gets used outside of game days. It would be great if they expanded it and it seems pretty likely IMO. The city has long since lost its title as "murder capital" of the states and theres been lots of investment recently.
The trains were part of the reason why the system failed so badly. Faulty rollingstock. The trains are 38 years and most trains last 40 - 50 years, so better off scrapping them. Detroit are better off finding new trains or closing its own system.
@@stefanwerner1560 yes, it is North Americas largest Automobile Headquarters, mostly execs from Germany and Japan or Korea, just not you because you’re not important
LRTs are simply stupid. Never pay themselves off and too often break down or derail. That is why Eglinton LRT is delayed, that is what happened in Ottawa and now even the UP Express is having problems (although UP is not LRT). We keep subsidizing this crap and it keeps running at a loss. And we wonder why Toronto is such an expensive city to live in. Detroit is getting the bargain of the century for a mere $1million. . Electrified guided bus systems have proven themselves far superior over and over. Yet Toronto is fixated on rail.
Detroit is like a subprime used car buyer is why. TTC would be wise to add wireless immobilizer if Detroit fails to pay. No income, no problem. Negative credit score, no problem. Until it is a problem for TTC.
What do you mean junk yard? Some of those trains aren’t even that old LOL. The problem is the tracks Toronto has, they’re not really compatibles with the trains. But Detroit’s tracks are, so instead of buying brand new trains they’ll buy slightly used ones.
@@afroabroad If you look at Toronto's city outline on a map and rotate it so that the northern boundary is horizontal, it looks a lot like Detroit's outline.
Something similar has been done in the UK. Decommissioned London Underground D stock trains have been rebuilt and reused elsewhere in the UK including the Isle of Wight where they replaced 80 year old tube stock which was life expired and no longer repairable.
Also the oldest DLR stock was sold to Germany
ya but UK ppl are more industrious .. - listen to that RT/TTC executive - he LOVES it being shut down makes his life easy. And even easier to sell parts of it to Detroit for some nice kickbacks or fringe benefits. Prob from queens school of business.
@@crabbcake "makes his life easier"??? Its going to save the taxpayer 500+ million. Plus the SRT would anyways have needed to be shut down for months, if not longer, to fix everything
yes. the more problems they create leading to shut downs the more simple their life is for the same exorbitant salary. It does not benefit the citizens to under utilize infrastructure. it is in the TTC's interest to provide the lowest quality service possible while paying themselves as much as possible for the least amount of work. And that is the attitude of that rep you see speaking. You really think Toronto has state of the art public transportation? @@Gfynbcyiokbg8710
We need new lines in Detroit. I’m ready to pay 5% of my taxes for a more transit-oriented city!
Who tf going to ride the train in Detroit 😂, thts like asking to get killed
@@thejackbox haha sadly you’re right
@@thejackbox I mean, Edmonton has a subway, yet is far more dangerous than Detroit - but TBF I did think I was going to get killed riding the ETS afterdark
@@CnekYT actually sped a night or two in downtown Detroit and you will not be saying this hahaha
I started typing Scarborough Rapid in to Google and it guessed Scarborough Rap...ist.
Makes me wonder what will happen to Vancouver’s Mark I SkyTrains when they are finally retired from service and replaced by the Mark Vs
scrap
Use the old cars for Surrey to Abbotsford
It’d be funny if Detroit finally implements their woodbrige metro line to Pontiac
@@grazynazambeanie5963 no
can i buy them
Very cool. Thank you, Toronto.
Companies are still building these trains. The SkyTrain Network in Vancouver uses the same trains and we are getting Mark V’s delivered literally right now.
Japan has similar trains (Linear induction) still being built (Toei Oedo Line, Yokohama Green Line)
yes but i wager vancouver aint spending [just] a million dollars on those x) it's a shame detroit didn't come knocking a few months ago, the USD has dropped recently.
the newer ICTS cars can't fit through the tunnel between midland and ellesmere
@@ashermccreadythat was their choice to not rebuild the infrastructure which is cheaper than a new subway extension which hampered other projects like Eglinton east extension
It's shame Toronto never converted their subways to full skytrain/automated metro lines because they have so many advantages over existing tech or that more systems weren't built throughout Canada because the technology is STILL world class 40+ years later...
how is the tech world class?
It’s certainly a shame for sure because it had so much potential as you said. Vancouver’s SkyTrain network uses the exact same technology and fleet as the SRT and look where it is now! Continuous upgrades and maintenance are a regular occurrence and look where it is nearly 40 years later!
Agreed! Automated systems like Skytrain have massive advantages.
to bad sarabourgh would hsve had lrt over subway right
Automated trains make no sense. Like what’s the point. One person operated train is safer, less expensive to maintain and create jobs.
One million for all of those assets?
If that's the actual price, Detroit getting a steal!
Yes and no. They are still 40 year old trains that will need a major refurbishment and modifications to be able to run in Detroit, plus they'll have to pay for shipping
Why? Because they are worth more than that....And then coupled with the absolutely pathetically weak Canadian dollar...thats merely ~750,000$ USD. Its an absolute steal of a deal for Detroit
I feel this is for real.
what else would we do with the trains? if we didnt sell them, they would have just been scraped or put off into a storage yard to decay. also who else would buy them
They already mentioned in the story that it will be sold for $1 million in USD (so the exchange rate has already been accounted for), and Detroit will also pay the TTC delivery fees. It's actually not a bad deal for Toronto as well, seeing as they're only selling 10-12 train cars which use 40-year old train technology.
Either that or scrap them.
It's 1 million USD which is equal to $1,327,200 CAD
Considering the financial condition of Detroit monorail and Detroit itself, it makes sense to get these trains and signals for parts. For when this system goes in Detroit, odds are it won't be replaced. That they will do the same thing Toronto is doing - buses. Not for the short term either - probably for the long term.
Canada should restore the rail line, and do a phased in approach. It’s doable
Only if Canada was ran like a private company, but since there's public corruption aka metrolinx then it's not feasible
I thought they said in the story it was too expensive and cheaper in the long run to just use buses as an interim solution until the subway is extended to take care of it?
@@Buc_Stops_Here Disagree. In New York City Transit Authority they tore down The Third Avenue El in 1955 from Manhattan to the south Bronx messing up The east side Lexington Avenue Line. Then the these not so brainiacs wasn't satisfied the remainder of the line from 149th Street to Gun Hill Road was closed in 1973 for what ? Buses that replaced the former 8 train are 💯 overcrowded there was a Bronx 55 Bus which was to faded out current Buses such as Bx 15 & Bx 41 Buses are slow & inefficient. Not a smart move by the TTC my City never regrets what they did to their elevated lines.
@@HaroldAlexis-bb8sd they weren't stupid, it was intentional, they had money in the car companies, detroit used to have a tram line to toledo, racism and money ruined our cities
@@circleinforthecube5170 I have to agree 100%
That will pay 10% of renaming Dundas.
Child
@@Ratboy2004. Why is the poster a " child " because they spoke the truth about the complete waste of money to rename a street or Dundas square. BTW Dundas square will always be Dundas square as will Dundas street, Dundas subway station. Just like Ryerson University will always be Ryerson know matter what they try to rename them. I think is so stupid to erase Canada's history. I'm proud of this country & those who have an issue with a street or univesity name should move out of Canada.
@@PLL02A Maybe I'm ignorant, but I literally did not know the origin of the person the street's named after until this was brought to the front. If that's the case, and the history wears off in time, why bother changing it? Stupid expensive when that money can be used in more pressing matters. (Improving transit, improving the housing shortfall, etc.)
Makes you wonder… If Detroit can use these then what really was the problem with them here…
The tracks are the problem in Canada.
Detroits system isn’t as heavily used as Scarborough was, Detroits more like a tourist ride then mass transit, and a very short loop
Track system and components like switches. Canadian climate isn't very gentle with them and they require constant maintenance. Unfortunately maintenance is the cost often cut when money is short .
@@karoltakisobie6638 Detroits system is a very short one direction loop, therefore no switching required when in operation, just the one switch to get the train onto the loop and the one to get them off again. Detroit gets more snow than Scarborough but the system in Detroit isn’t mass transit, it is just connecting the hotels to a few sites around a very short loop. It is the most basic system you can find
@@karoltakisobie6638Exactly, SkyTrain delays in non-winter weather are almost always the result of some passenger acting up. However once it starts to really snow the switches give up and the trains run at reduced speed.
Transit in Toronto has been, is and will always be subpar. Transit in Toronto has never been a priority.
Everything in CANADA is, and always be subpar and whats best for Canadian citizens will never be a priority.
Toronto has turned to 💩
Still better than Ottawa lmao.
but hey it ok not blame the premiers@@CanadaHasFallen
@@goldenretriever6261Toronto is by far the best city in Canada with the best transit system in the country despite its massive shortcomings.
Toronto needs more funding, especially considering how much it actually contributes to the Canadian GDP.
I worked on both projects as I was a project manager for a supplier of the 3rd rail system.
Given the heating cable for the 3rd rail was restricted to inside to the stations,this resulted in expansion/contraction problems and the subsequent shutting down of the line. Add in the problems with the loop, the system didn’t have a great future. I am not aware of Detroit or similar systems( including Vancouver) having these problems
That million dollars will go a long way to make the TTC run better. Who they kidding, it’s probably going to end up as bonuses for some top management.
I thought the thumbnail was 4 batteries 😂😂
Please bring back the Scarborough rapid Transit
Why Scarborough RT was built with a project life of 30 years
Rt was iconic
I like more trains but a skyrail is just a tourist thing. Hope they can somehow invest in more transit infa
Not really, the skytrain in Vancouver had over a hundred million riders in 2022 and the DLR had almost a hundred million
Elevated rail is one of the best options for building transit infrastructure in north america due to the low density making underground too expensive.
@@AmurTiger yeah but the area the peoplemover is in is skycraper density, the ren cen would be a lot better with a subway connection, also theres enough empty area in detroit to upzone with little demolition
Thats Great News!!
Buy 'em!
It is defunct? Wtf is wrong with government these days
The accident was too costly to repair, it was going to be shut down this fall anyway and a subway will be built instead. I just wish the 10-year gap didn't exist between those things because it's shameful. They should just convert the RT trackbeds BACK to streetcar use since that's what they were originally designed and built but never used for... The Scarborough RT was a demonstration project hastily assembled but obviously long-lasting and well loved, myself included!
Ford government 💀💀💀
Send the equipment to another city in Canada…but then again most cities don’t have the infrastructure and track system
Vancouver SkyTrain uses the same technology
Sort of
Because they want to sell it for scrap metal and make some dough?
You really think that they're going to make over a million by scrapping them?
Finally Detroit doing something that actually makes sense. In other times they would have given a contract to a party donor for several millions per unit
Phenomenal idea, get everything!
Bring it back
If it is a bad idea, Detroit will probably do it.
This deal seems extremely in Detroit's favor though.
Right $1 million is a steal
They might wanba purchase Vancouver ones too because Vancouver is getting rid of them for newer trains
As an alternative, can we sell Detroit to Canada?
Sounds like Canada couldn't afford it.
oh so what - go over 15km of track its CALLED WORK.. ever heard of it ?
I’ve only heard bad stuff about Detroit’s rapid transit system :/ they should maybe expand it imo? I’ve never been to Detroit though
its literally just 2 cars going on a small loop downtown. It barely gets used outside of game days. It would be great if they expanded it and it seems pretty likely IMO. The city has long since lost its title as "murder capital" of the states and theres been lots of investment recently.
@@gaemr_o5147 this is true, the city is very much on the up and up
I'm from Detroit. The answer is sell the public transit system to a profit making company and provide vouchers for the transit dependent.
YES, detroit needs more public transit
Great idea
Even if Detroit became a Canadian Ontario city might help restore back its shrinking population since 1950 peak population is 1,849,568.
Interesting
can i buy one for uhmm uhhh $9.99
Something isn’t right about this
Figured Toronto would use the trains as homeless shelters.
Shame on you.
Did you see the video
Send the homeless to Detroit along with the trains. Housing is much cheaper there.
Haven’t the homeless suffered enough?
Parts
We always send our garbage to Detroit, literally.
Detroit should look into picking up Vancouver's old units.
There is no need. Detroit already have 12, and are getting 10 - 25 from Toronto so why would they need any from Vancouver?
The trains were part of the reason why the system failed so badly. Faulty rollingstock. The trains are 38 years and most trains last 40 - 50 years, so better off scrapping them. Detroit are better off finding new trains or closing its own system.
Detroit doesn’t run its system as mass transit, it’s just a small loop to get tourists around the city
Clearly Vancouver says otherwise…
@@ytzpilotTourists? In Detroit?
@@stefanwerner1560 yes, it is North Americas largest Automobile Headquarters, mostly execs from Germany and Japan or Korea, just not you because you’re not important
yeah because public transit may have flaws we should close it down and live in car centric suburbs forever
Zuraida is pretty
What?
Toronto is running out of money .. TTC does not even gas WIFI in the subway ...
Oh gheez ......
Detroits like District 12 in the Hunger Games at this stage ..... 🤔😐
No it’s not, my brother lives there and loves it, your just a Toronto Snob 😂
Great Move!
You could part them out this is like old machine tools being sold for scrap metal. $100 000 x10 small home conversion would be better.
No one is going to buy 40-year old train parts for daily use...it will just sit on a shelf as memorabilia. TTC is smart to take the million dollars.
way better then news ones@@KardiFan2000
Where is Detroit gonna get the cash did they move up to chapter 10 Kuz its C.O.D
Shhhhhhh. Don't tell them , but the tracks aren't the same distance apart lel
no the SRT rail's are standard gauge, It's only LIne 1, 2, and 4 that are different
LRTs are simply stupid. Never pay themselves off and too often break down or derail. That is why Eglinton LRT is delayed, that is what happened in Ottawa and now even the UP Express is having problems (although UP is not LRT). We keep subsidizing this crap and it keeps running at a loss. And we wonder why Toronto is such an expensive city to live in. Detroit is getting the bargain of the century for a mere $1million.
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Electrified guided bus systems have proven themselves far superior over and over. Yet Toronto is fixated on rail.
We cant afford to inspect bolts on 15km of track in our biggest city, yet we let a million immigrants in last year. Canada is a joke.
Detroit is like a subprime used car buyer is why. TTC would be wise to add wireless immobilizer if Detroit fails to pay. No income, no problem. Negative credit score, no problem. Until it is a problem for TTC.
Jesus, all the shots of Detroit look soooo dead. It's a ghost city
So Detroit wants to buy old, defective trains that Toronto says are unsafe. That makes sense. :/
Think it was a track malfunction rather. Toronto has long since fallen behind on maintenance for the SRT
Its not really that they're unsafe
They should focus on water ya think?
Why?
Detroit has one of the best municipal water systems in the world.
Come try the water in Detroit.
Or are you thinking of the old story about Flint, an hour northwest of Detroit??
Who the hell would want somthing that should have gone to the junk yard 30 years ago
You just described much of Detroit...
What do you mean junk yard? Some of those trains aren’t even that old LOL. The problem is the tracks Toronto has, they’re not really compatibles with the trains. But Detroit’s tracks are, so instead of buying brand new trains they’ll buy slightly used ones.
When you don't want to buy a new fleet, yet, and you can still use scrap for parts...
@@andrewweitzman4006at least we’re not Detroit.
@@afroabroad If you look at Toronto's city outline on a map and rotate it so that the northern boundary is horizontal, it looks a lot like Detroit's outline.
Detroit another completely run down city 😊
Very generous