Lovely video but gotta get rid of that first instinct to put your hands up with frontals on aspecty wings (anything above 6 is asking for trouble). Even my Iota 2 (AR 5.6) it got me in trouble once. The fact that the centre stayed open probably saved the day (unless it's just a small tuck). Not meaning to be know it all - this isn't my knowledge - I had to learn it. Richard Meek zeno cascade for reference
@ in this case yes it worked. If the tips start to come together- almost always with a bigger tuck on high AR wings, the wing never opens symmetrically. Hitting the brakes with any collapse won’t put you in a cascade if you put your hand or hands straight back up again but it will limit you the collapse. Putting your hands up as the wing is collapsing and the collapse is going to be as big as it’s going to be.
You are correct. If your reaction to a *full* frontal is "hands up", then you're probably wrong under a Zeno or comparable wings. The kiss of death has to be prevented, and the middle of the wing needs to be opened ASAP. Not only the kiss of death is dangerous though: the modern high perf 2-liners are reinforced by very long rods which increase the chance of the wing flipping upside down, staying stable in this configuration, enormously increasing drag and thus massively pitching back with all the fun consequences. *If* we're talking about full frontals.
Again......I'm still here having put my hands up AFTER the collapse. A collapse I caused by pulling the lines. Letting go of the lines/hands up is the same however you look at it. I was in a position to react as and when and IF it surged forward, which it didn't. Grabbing more brake would have made the reaction more dynamic than it was. Again....I'm still here after that incident and I will stand by my reaction.
@ I’m happy you are too! I’m not trying to be your granny. I didn’t see this particular frontal - it’s just you said your instinct was to put your hands up. With frontals on higher aspect wings, that’s not good. It’s the subject that started the Cloudbase Mayhem over 10 years ago now. It’s worth checking out - but totally your choice obvz. I had this argument with my instructor too. I said it’s happening too fast. He said here, take my Enzo up and you’ll see what’s fast! I didn’t obviously. Anyway, Russ Ogden talks about it, Malin Lobb talks about it - there’s the whole breakdown of it with Richard Meek’s incident - an excellent breakdown it is too, Jocky Sanderson talks about it and countless others. Frontals have been brushed off as easy for too many years. On low Bs you get away with it but most of the time on higher stuff they bite and bite hard - the Germans call them the front stall. For a small tuck obviously it’s over before you can do anything. But every event is different. Smashing the brakes all the way and putting your hands straight back up will definitely get rid of a small collapse. It will also stop a potentially big collapse getting worse. So our muscle memory has to be - smash every collapse, because we don’t know how big it’s going to be if left alone. But every pilot has a choice to make about what they want to incorporate into their flying or not. You’re obviously a thinking and analytical pilot - many aren’t - and care about safety. Which is why I think it’s worth checking out from the legends - I’m just some bloke writing a comment after all. For me, I can’t eliminate all risk but I can try to minimize the ones that are well known about and that’s what I’m trying to do - and share - but maybe I should put some skin in the game and make my own series about it. Good luck for next year - keep the stoke - I’m genuinely not trying to kill it. We need more paragliding videos to offset the nonsense
Thanks for the heads up, I've just stepped up to a Zeno2.
It's like a cloud sandwich with you in the middle. One of the magic moments we get in the sky.
It was beautiful
Epic flight, that's a special moment👊Thanks for sharing your lessons learnt awareness of human factors can be overlooked 💯
Who knows, maybe awareness from the video could save someone else making the same mistake 🤷♂️
How do you make a frontal on a 2 liner by pulling the A lines is my main question ... Did you hang on them with your full body weight?
SCARY!!! , but well saved 😎👍
Annoyed my camera was off when it happened 🤨
Aren’t we missing something 🤔
Like maybe the part of the video with the collapse… 🤷♂️ ???
Lovely video but gotta get rid of that first instinct to put your hands up with frontals on aspecty wings (anything above 6 is asking for trouble). Even my Iota 2 (AR 5.6) it got me in trouble once. The fact that the centre stayed open probably saved the day (unless it's just a small tuck). Not meaning to be know it all - this isn't my knowledge - I had to learn it. Richard Meek zeno cascade for reference
Well it worked, and I wasn't about to pull brakes and possibly cause a cascade, until I knew it was flying.
@ in this case yes it worked. If the tips start to come together- almost always with a bigger tuck on high AR wings, the wing never opens symmetrically. Hitting the brakes with any collapse won’t put you in a cascade if you put your hand or hands straight back up again but it will limit you the collapse. Putting your hands up as the wing is collapsing and the collapse is going to be as big as it’s going to be.
You are correct. If your reaction to a *full* frontal is "hands up", then you're probably wrong under a Zeno or comparable wings. The kiss of death has to be prevented, and the middle of the wing needs to be opened ASAP. Not only the kiss of death is dangerous though: the modern high perf 2-liners are reinforced by very long rods which increase the chance of the wing flipping upside down, staying stable in this configuration, enormously increasing drag and thus massively pitching back with all the fun consequences. *If* we're talking about full frontals.
Again......I'm still here having put my hands up AFTER the collapse. A collapse I caused by pulling the lines. Letting go of the lines/hands up is the same however you look at it.
I was in a position to react as and when and IF it surged forward, which it didn't.
Grabbing more brake would have made the reaction more dynamic than it was.
Again....I'm still here after that incident and I will stand by my reaction.
@ I’m happy you are too! I’m not trying to be your granny. I didn’t see this particular frontal - it’s just you said your instinct was to put your hands up. With frontals on higher aspect wings, that’s not good. It’s the subject that started the Cloudbase Mayhem over 10 years ago now. It’s worth checking out - but totally your choice obvz. I had this argument with my instructor too. I said it’s happening too fast. He said here, take my Enzo up and you’ll see what’s fast! I didn’t obviously.
Anyway, Russ Ogden talks about it, Malin Lobb talks about it - there’s the whole breakdown of it with Richard Meek’s incident - an excellent breakdown it is too, Jocky Sanderson talks about it and countless others. Frontals have been brushed off as easy for too many years. On low Bs you get away with it but most of the time on higher stuff they bite and bite hard - the Germans call them the front stall.
For a small tuck obviously it’s over before you can do anything. But every event is different. Smashing the brakes all the way and putting your hands straight back up will definitely get rid of a small collapse. It will also stop a potentially big collapse getting worse. So our muscle memory has to be - smash every collapse, because we don’t know how big it’s going to be if left alone.
But every pilot has a choice to make about what they want to incorporate into their flying or not. You’re obviously a thinking and analytical pilot - many aren’t - and care about safety. Which is why I think it’s worth checking out from the legends - I’m just some bloke writing a comment after all.
For me, I can’t eliminate all risk but I can try to minimize the ones that are well known about and that’s what I’m trying to do - and share - but maybe I should put some skin in the game and make my own series about it.
Good luck for next year - keep the stoke - I’m genuinely not trying to kill it. We need more paragliding videos to offset the nonsense