Im just glad as a 90s kid i lived through the golden era of Star Wars . We had the 6 films, the 2 clone wars shows and all the greatest videogames like KOTOR , battlefront games, the force unleashed, jedi knight and academy and so much more. Today the star wars medium feels like garbage food in comparison, quantity over quality. It was fun while it lasted
90s kids will never know how thrilling it was standing in line for the first three films, hoping they still had tickets available, with fellow SW fans talking about our latest SW figures acquisitions. Ah, good times. 😉 The days of going to the movie theaters are over. You can thank streaming and COVID-19 for that.
It’s a cash cow for them. Just put some lightsabers, xwings, tie fighters, pew pew pew and use a name of a character as the title and that’s it. There’s no care into the writing.
What did you not like about the shows? Can you be specific? I would think introducing new characters, and even expanding on old characters is a good thing. It helps create new avenues for stories and ideas to come off from. Yes disney dropped the ball hard on the sequels, but honestly, the D+ shows arent as bad as he is making them seem. I feel like he is mad they wouldnt let him monetize that vadar movie and now he has a grudge against Disney but idk.
The Disney Star Wars formula: 1) Take a random character. 2) Make that character the title name of the show 3) Insert characters who have nothing to do with main characters 4) hype the show on social media for 4 months The end.
One might think that one's a novel idea ... it's baffling, really, since there is no real reason for Star Wars to appeal to everyone either. It already is the most valuable franchise of all time, what more of an audience is there to capture?! :D
I truly like you speaking your mind. I get that you wanted to keep the fanbase together, be constructive - but good will has to have its limits. They threw away every credit, spent every goodwill we could give them. its time to demand more, better Star Wars. The stories we deserve. The stories the gave us are a mere shadow of the ones they dismissed, now being Legends former EU. Time to hold them accountable and demand they earn our fandom, our passion, our love. Keep it up, very excited for the Star Grift Mondays with MauLer. May the force serve you well my friend.
It’s impossible to keep a fandom together. There will always be people who think palpatine returning even though makes no sense… makes for a good movie
Andor was great I liked the vibe & everything but Mando seasons 1 & 2 have been the only Star Wars live-action property since prequels where I actually felt the magic again. Will def watch Andor season 2 though
Beating a dead horse at this point. It’s never gonna change. If these movies are made, I promise you we aren’t gonna like it. Star Wars is all over the place right now. Oversaturated like Marvel, to the point people lost all interest. Instead of getting 1-2 great projects in 3 years, we’re getting 5-8 projects per year, and we’re lucky to get 2 good ones.
Disney seemed to decide to use their "Big Name" characters from Marvel and Star Wars to promote their "new" characters. Even Mandolorian did this even though he was a new character. It's like an immediate cash out and was very obvious.
Their new characters media like Andor and Mandalorian are actually good shows. The same goes for the Rogue One movie (sequel to Andor). Their garbage shows are the ones with old characters - Kennobi and Bobba Fett. Another show with old character, Ashoka, is mediocre. So the "new character" stuff needed actual writing, plot, good dialogue, etc. while the old character stuff was running on nostalgia bait and put in the bare minimum effort because they thought nostalgia + pewpew & lightsabers were enough to make up for everything.
the problem is multi fold. 1. people who either don't care or actively despise Star Wars are making decisions. 2. low budget. it looks cheap and the quality suffers. 3. political messaging. 4. destruction of Legacy characters. constantly insulting or degrading established beloved characters to prop up new unliked ones. 5 the over focus on the movie timeline. as we've seen Disney cannot handle Legacy characters and attempts to try end badly. but instead of using the 25 thousand years BEFORE the movies with all the possible characters they could want to make they're focused on the already established characters and setting. and the overreliance on cameos and established characters to save the shows proves how low the quality is. but the biggest problem isn't 1 of these. it's ALL of them. because they all feed into eachother which results in shows that have fans either disappointed, angry or in some cases depressed. we WANT to like the shows. we really truly do. but Disney won't get out of its own way.
anytime Disney star wars gets heat they throw racism or misogyny as the reason people don't like it. probably the biggest example is Reva in Kenobi. there's also the very easily edited out lesbian kiss scene in TROS that was in Western cinemas but suspiciously absent in Chinese cinemas. or the poster for Force Awakens that prominently featured Fin in the West but had him much smaller in Chinese posters. there are alot more but these should help clarify. @@bobaoriley1912
@@HelloThisIsGadget there's the political etc etc of pre Disney and then there's the blatant politics of post Disney. moreover there's entertaining political themes/undertones/messaging. and then there's attacking and insulting politics. made worse by IRL political attacks whenever people voice dislike of something
I think the biggest problem’s isn’t the shows it’s the writing of the shows if they were good and faithful to what George created and had good writing like Shows like Better Call Saul,Breaking Bad,GoT,House of the Dragon,Buffy,Old Doctor who then this wouldn’t be a problem.
You can tell that there was moments that were good in Ahsoka and Mandolorian season 3. The problem is where you can clearly tell people interfered to make a point or put things in to fill certain quotas. Wish we could just have a good show without having to make a point or fill quotas. Theory has many good points throughout this video.
I feel like Disney has focus groups watch their shows... but not just any focus groups, they select people in the group like lawyers select a jury... they have no prior knowledge of the subject and thus no love for Star Wars. Then the ask the group what they liked about the characters and if they could guess what the show was about. It's bewildering what Disney is doing to Star Wars. It's like watching a plane crash from 30,000 feet... its wings fell off and all you can do is stare at it as it approaches the ground at 500mph.
No one at Disney can "fix" Star Wars. No one at Disney can "correct" course for Star Wars. No one at Disney understands. You yourself are so uplifting and positive that I hesitate to say the next thing. Disney has tainted all of Star Wars, backwards and forwards. They have stained it. That taint is very possibly indelible, because Disney Star Wars will always be there, in its abominable existence, regardless of any personal or official retcons. Certain people will now forever be known as Those Who Destroyed Star Wars, and as concerned about legacies as they were, they'll have to settle for infamy! What a wretched hive of scum and villainy! At least we of the scattered fandom don't have to live with THAT! You are your own man, a very good man, I am convinced, and some comment from a random person in chat isn't going to crush you, so I said it. What you have here, the enjoyment of the intangible enchantment that Star Wars held for so many for so long is why I watch your videos and listen to your words. As much as they harp about "magic and pixie dust" Disney has no clue about that enchantment! You give us a focus, those of us who remember and knew that magic, savored the fine points of it, and to me that is now the shared enjoyment. Looking back to before the Dark Times of Disney, before the evil Empress, and the transformation of Lucasfilm into Pukeusfilm, that is what we have. Each of us, in some way, knew the enchantment they will never know.
I was actually surprised that Andor was a really good show. I have watched 6 episodes now, and I have enjoyed every single one. And I usually am picky in what I watch.
The only way they can move forward is by going back. Somehow they need to decanonize the sequels, or at the very least have them in an alternative universe. I think fans would be more forgiving of some of the shows but knowing where it all leads taints that. Also they have simply been coasting on nostalgia. That'll only last for so long.
Sam Witwer has been GM-ing pen and paper Star Wars RPGs with his buds since he was in junior high (knowledge courtesy of the Order 66 podcast). That’s more Star Wars writing experience than anyone has currently writing for Disney Star Wars.
There’s no passion for the lore in these new series. It’s a bunch of checkboxes in a corporate board room and nothing more to keep the Disney + subscribers from cancelling.
In terms of shows: Andor is amazing. Mandalorian is good. Ashoka is mediocre. Bobba Fett and Kenobi are bad. In terms of movies: Rogue One is amazing. Han Solo is ok. The new trilogy ranges from ok to bad. Watch the good stuff and skip the bad ones. That is how Disney will learn. Tony Gilroy made Andor and co-directed Rogue One.
I was there in 1977 as a kid and couldn't get enough. Star Wars was magical and it lit the fire of science fiction for me. I saw it more than a dozen times in the theater. I did whatever odd job I could to raise the $2.50/ticket. I had the Story of Start Wars LP and wore it out. Santa brought the Kenner early bird certificate at Christmas for the action figures. I built the plastic models of the x-wing and Vader's tie fighter and hung them from my bedroom ceiling. I have a lot of empathy for you since you've stuck with it for longer than I did and you have so much more invested. I bailed after EP 1 (EP III was tolerable and I was OK with Rogue One since it led right into IV). It just wasn't the same. I despise what they've done to the original character-rich franchise. But hang in there, brother... you're a good man with a big heart.
In Kenobi we should have gotten the black krrsantan fight like in the comics, that speech about how he was taught alot of things just not how to disappear would have been great.
I was extremely excited for the kenobi show and got a subscription just for that show. Disney could've done so much more with that show than the disaster we got. Week after week I watched, hoping for more but extreme disappointment is what I was left with. It's a shame
YES. I was SOOOO disappointed with the lack of obi-Anakin flashbacks. So annoyed with the characters that had nothing to do with the main characters. So much missed opportunity with Hayden coming back on with possible looks into what Vader was going through… etc etc
Another great video SWT! I totally agree about the character development. They should be looking at shows like The Walking Dead. There is only so much that you can do with Zombies attacking. Change the location, kill a friend or family member of the main characters. That show had to rely on the depth of it's characters and their believable development. If Star Wars had development like that, they would never run out of stories to tell. They have an entire universe to throw at those characters to see how it would effect their lives. Any Star Wars show would end up being a longer running series than the Simpsons.
I’m so glad Star Wars Theory is using his platform and voice to speak the truth that Disney needs to hear. He’s not hating either, he’s being completely honest and he’s actually trying to help. Because to him, myself, and millions of other people, the Star Wars story that George Lucas started, is the best story ever told and it’s unfair and selfish that they’re throwing all of that away just for their personal greed and for them to keep pocketing monthly subscriptions and for selling merchandise. As of right now, I think the best movie sequence to ever come out is the MCU from 2002 through 2019. (Spider-Man to Endgame). Star Wars had potential to compete and even be better than the MCU but the last 3 movies really knocked them into ridiculous territory, up there with the Fast & Furious franchise. If Disney had these guys as their head of Star Wars division: Dave Filoni, Jon Favreau, Star Wars Theory and if they can get George Lucas as a part time writer / mentor, that would be the ultimate dream team.
They either need to shorten them into movies, or flesh them out into 12 episode seasons. They are at such an awkward length right now where they have the pacing of a show but the length of a long movie. That, to me, is the real problem here (setting aside the writing and their preaching of The Message ™️).
Theory, you are a hero to the Star Wars community. So many of us don’t have a voice and no one listens to us about what we want with Star Wars. You have a voice. Beacsue of people like you I have hope that one day Star Wars will return to greatness.
i agree that they are hurting star wars but i like the concept of long format tv shows for these vast systems of material. it would take someone sitting down and planning things out down to a tee to do this correctly. id prefer what they are doing where there isnt vast number of years between movies but they would need be be planning 4+ years (in detail) in the future to keep things good and coming out on a set schedule. not sure if its possible in practice but id love to see this done right
I put off watching Obi Wan for a long time as I knew the reviews for the show were pretty bad, most people saying exactly what you pointed out in the video about the formula for the show being stretched out with unnecessary rubbish. I recently got curious though and decided on watching the Patterson Cut, as I figured Obi Wan would work better as a movie. I feel like the cut did an amazing job at condensing the story down and I actually really enjoyed it for what it was. All of the best moments were highlighted and not tarnished by needless narratives that went nowhere or mean nothing.
4:04 you were just talking about how all the Disney Plus shows end of a cliffhanger and I started thinking about how most Breaking Bad episodes end that way and then you mentioned it as an example of shows that don’t do that lmao
@Star Wars Theory The problem with corporate companies like Disney is that they see Ip's such as Star Wars as a product to be consumed based on market research, not as a work of art to please its fan base who are the customers. In order for Star wars to thrive again it needs to be kept far away from Disney. A Star Wars TV show can work if it is done properly with good writing and directing, simple as that. We saw that in Mando season One.
What do Prequel fans want out of Star Wars? Revenge of the Sith Part II, III, IV, and V starring Hayden Christensen? What other parts do you want them to explore?
Disney would never do this but my dream scenario would be this... They can stick to Animation, Video Games, Star Wars Land and things like that! BUT they should sell some of the rights towards making Live Action Films to other Studios. Much like how they worked alongside Sony to bring Spiderman into the MCU but now they would be dealing SW characters and concepts out to other studios. This would give so many other filmmakers the chance to make something fresh and exciting while simultaneously ensuring that the Disney corporation gets a small percentage of the profits. It's a WIN WIN in my opinion because even if another studio makes a film that is bad or controversial then Disney is still in a good position to distance themselves away from it and have excellent damage control. Example, "We didn't make this... Universal is what handled what you saw on screen". But there would surely be some films that were done well and we as the fans would finally start to see creative and unique interpretations of Star Wars films. In summation, Disney gets $$$ & We get all kinds of new Star Wars material. Universal, Sony, Paramount, Lionsgate, Warner Bros, A24, etc etc etc. Let them have a crack at it. If one company starts doing really well in particular then you can sell the Star Wars brand for Billions of dollars down the road.
I don't think we could handle Witwer on the creative team. He is a rabid fan of the OG-LUCASverse, with a three-dimensional grip on the characters and story. We'd come out of the theatre crying and begging for more. We'd go back at watch in the theatre, again. You know, like the old days.. before the dark times.
The way Walt’s fly episode progressed his character is something disney could never understand. He literally spent a whole episode tryna kill a fly yet we learned so much about him. Meanwhile at disney, Reva is angy and wasted a whole show for obi and anakin/vader fans
It is so bizarre, I get very little in the way of enjoyment from Star Wars these days, but I get massive enjoyment from the RUclips commentary. Honestly, at this point, I’m much happier to be having my views contribute to your income than that of Disney. Thank you for all the great vids
Lucas wanted to make a story about how Leia was the chosen one and bring back Darth maul so Anakin had never actually destroyed the sith. Also have it super focused on midichlorians. The same people who hated the sequels would hate this too
@@jamesarnold7253that is not true lmao. He never wanted her to make the chosen one. She became a politician who fought the crime mafia created by darth Maul.
I really miss the time when female characters were awsome to name a few: Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, From voyager Captain Katheryn Janeway, seven of nine, Lara Croft (Jolie), Aeon Flux, From DS9 Jadzia Dax, Coronel Kira, Mulan (animated), Major Motoko Kusanagi(ghost in the shell animated, Jackie Brown, Selene from Underworld and the list goes on.....BUT NOW WE ONLY GET MARIE SUES LEFT AND RIGHT
100% agree on this.I understand companies need to do things for the sale of revenue. And that's fine. But it feels like that all these are being created with zero care/passion and ONLY revenue. Ironically the revenue is probably doing worse because of this.
2002-2004: the best year for Star Wars content. It’s not a disney problem, it’s a corporate culture problem. And unless the mentality of “consume new product” stops, then all franchises will be turned in Mind Flayers.
@@AncestorEmpire1 I don't think so... I wasn't around at that time but when the first star wars movie came out it was a massive cultural thing. Adjusted for inflation it's the 2nd biggest movie ever. That is clearly the time star wars was at it's biggest. I'm surprised anyone would argue against that People my age lived through the prequels which were a mainstream big thing in 1999 then faded out by 2002 and then the same in 2015 which faded out by 2018. But the hype from 1977 lasted until 1986 without ever really dying down at all. To put it into perspective all 3 of the OT beat Jurassic Park, The Lion King, Grease which were all huge things in their own rights
@@jamesarnold7253 you still don’t understand. And to be honest, it’s not just you but a majority of the SW fandom. Star Wars is not just films and television. It is a brand, a Mythos. 2002-2004 was a banger that covered all bases on a high level. An actual balance, unlike that wanna be Kreia nonsense KK led Lucasfilm tries to push. Well I do agree that the OT won’t be topped or matched, 2002-2004 was and is a gold age for SW content was regularly coming out.
You see when Lucas created it it was not just a vision it was a dream something that actually brought a sense of life to such a small world that we started off with something even greater as we continued on. Now with the acquisition Disney doesn't see that Vision because Lucas isn't there when the Creator isn't there to continue his vision it tends to fall apart because there's no sense of coherency of the story so what you means that the Creator isn't there the story is going to fall apart
Disney is probably the worst offender, but this is not unique to Disney. Hollywood needs to get it's self figured out, before a bunch of studios go bankrupt.
Kenobi was supposed to be a movie That project was scrapped. Then the script was retooled into a series Then production was halted the day they were supposed to begin shooting for a full rewrite
I love how you just snapped one day and became an Anti-Disney Star Wars 100%. Don’t get me wrong it’s your opinion, it’s your channel, do what you want, don’t see this comment as a means of trying to change you. It’s just crazy as an outsider looking in how the content direction seemingly changed out of nowhere
Watching this channel for like 2+ years, it’s crazy how much Theory has been critical of everything Disney does. I believe that Disney deserves some negative feedback, but not to the degree he talks about . I feel like these days, like 40% of what he talks about is hating on Disney, calling Disney what he believes to be “woke”, and generally just talking bad about Disney. It’s getting tiring.
@@bobaoriley1912 it’s crazy cus half of the stuff that’s happened with Star Wars under Disney i think most of the fanbase enjoys. We got the Jedi Games, Lego Star Wars games, Battlefront 2 all under the Disney Era, We got Star Wars Rebels, the first two seasons of Mandalorian, Bad Batch (which I don’t love but fans seem to love it), we got Visions season 1 and 2, Clone Wars season 7, I mean I’m just saying it’s not perfect or the best it can be but I feel these things are worth mentioning in the conversation
@@JakeTylenolI agree I love s lot of the stuff Disney has done, but some of the biggest things they’ve like obi wan and book of boba have been massive disappointments and could have been something to truly bring the fanbase together instead the inconsistency has ripped it apart even further, a lot of the stuff does seem politically motivated and it’s just sad because of the potential it all has ruined
Unpopular opinion; create a whole new Star Wars movie series set during Old Republic. I guess you could call it a reboot, but “reboot” is a strong word kinda. But I would be so excited for a new story line.
@@jeffbrewer1580yeah I really don’t wanna see how bad they could butcher the old republic lmaoo I love some of the stuff in the Disney era but I also hate some as well and what they’ve done to some of the beloved characters is criminal
I wish we could go back in time and Lucas was still the Man in charge. I was there for the opening for the first movie at the theaters and I can say the excitment was like no other.... "Before the dark times...before the empire." ;)
That collab of people would honestly be next level. Tony Gilroy knows how to write at such high quality + the Star Wars knowledge the others know….. we would be in for something insane
Exactly! It’s like they have an hour or two’s worth of tv that stretch out to six or eight 35 minute episode, by having everyone walk slowly, stand around, break up sentences add in some cheesy poorly down action, and then try to convince us that it’s going to be a great season because they are adding a cameo or two.
@@eds1942 Not really. Sounds to me like you are confirming you are spoiled on what we saw during the Prequels. Well, I'm sorry they don't use sticks with CGI anymore but actual light sword props for movement.
Right. I noticed they structured their shows in a way that ends the Finale on the first week of the month. So you HAVE to renew one last time to see how the Season ends. & Then you are stuck with a Disney+ Sub for another 3 weeks that you do not even use. Its sooo annoying!
Dudes out here saying how all of us real fans feel. Like why tf isn't Sam used more why does it feel like they just can't seem to get it right when it's so obvious what the fans want.
Due to myself loving grammar of titles and the central ideas of stories, I believe it would be better to have your new channel name be Theoretical Tales, or Tales of Theory, or rather The Tales of Theory. That last ones sounds much more alluring to me.
Here is the problem with the movies though. They are chosing identity politics and whatever Ryan Johnson thought he was doing over having a good story. Plots don't make sense. Everything gets retconned and when anyone calls them on it they are racist/sexist/etc. They can't look past themselves to make good characters and tell good stories.
Have you actually tried running that logic through your head? How does the inclusion of a person of color or a woman affect the quality of the story at all? Does casting a woman somehow take budget away from the writing team? It makes no sense, y’all just see a mediocre movie, blame the minority who is just in the film and run with it. It’s insanely dumb if you think about it even a little bit. Get over it, women and black people exist
@wexler8368 you didn't read what I said did you. No crap women and black people exist, might want to tell Disney's China division that though. The problem isn't they are in movies, I was looking forward fo Rey and everyone in the movie. The problem is the characters were bad. Fin was screwed over by Disney since movie 1. Rey has no character development and is just a terribly written character. Heck poe was wasted. Not one of the characters in the movie was good and the plot was a broken mess. Does not matter gender or skin color. If the original trilogy was as poorly written as those 3 movies were, there would be no starwars after the first movie. People like you are why we can't have these conversations. You either incorrectly or intentionally assume any criticism of a female or non-white character is people being racist/sexist. Literally called you out in my first comment. Cast all the women/ people of color you want. Just make them good characters and give them good plots. If you don't your going to be called out on it. So yeah women and people of color in movies are not a problem. Bad characters, plots, identity politics and people like you are.
@@Allmightyimortal i did read your comment, otherwise i wouldn’t have responded. Frankly i completely agree with you that they wasted both rey and finn, but your comment clearly states the problem is identity politics, which when boiled down, barely exist or don’t even exist in these films. Anytime, and i mean a n y time “people like you” since we’re apparently generalizing see a new movie/game with a nonwhite or male protagonist, y’all immediately jump on the boycott wagon “oh wow they’re so WOKE and focused on IDENTITY POLITICS the movie is bad because they’re woke woke woke” and the main lead is just black
@wexler8368 they literally went around with shirts saying the force is female and claimed anyone who didn't like Rey was sexist, and unless they were from China, anyone who had problems with fin were racists. That is quite literally identity politics. Literally, every woman/ person of color in these films is "perfect," while any white man is an idiot, washed up, pathetic, or evil. If a film doesn't want to be accused of being wokr, don't act like it. Do people jump on that boycott wagon to soon, yes. But it's because of movies like these 3. Also that not generalizing "people like you" if you act like them and take any criticism as sexism/ racism. It's not.
Dude you have just spoken so much truth and I thank you for that! I hate how Disney and streaming services are ruining movies and film making. it's terrible and I hate how political things are. what happened to good story telling?!? Thank you for being so honest and speaking the truth! Also dont listen to all those haters that you'll get from this! screw them! May the force be with you!
The sequels are better than the prequels and maybe even of the original trilogy, people not admitting how good the sequels are don't want to give them credit because it's a female lead. The way they treated every character is just perfect yet people complain because they can't admit how good it really is, they should make shows and movies about the Sequels and every fan should be happy about that, Ahsoka was also good because it was a female lead, Disney + would do good if they proceed like that 💯
@@alexsawyer9652 What's so funny about it? Why the sequels are so under appreciated? There are nearly no flaws in these movies compared to the prequel trilogy and yet people complain because they don't like Rey the GOAT jedi that has a way darker story and well written one than Luke or Anakin
@@baconbob901 You just won't admit it because you're some anti-woke guy, if you look at it without all these politics it's near perfection, contrarily to the prequels
You know what? Even though I don’t agree with some of your opinions, I am with you on this. I miss movies. I think if they started making moving again instead of a bunch of shows it would be better.
Either make them to a movie or make the season 10-12 episodes at least 50-60 min per episode but well written with good pacing. I’d rather have a movie than an 3 episode season.
1) make a random main character 2) put the name of a beloved character as the show title 3) make show about the random main character 4) Make Kathleen Kennedy the director
I understand what he means by narrowing it down to the best people to take _Star Wars_ forward (i.e. Dave Filoni, Tony Gilroy, Jon Favreau, Sam Witwer), but as someone who loved _Andor,_ I do wanna remind people of the other directors and writers on that show: Dan Gilroy (Tony's brother), Toby Haynes, Susanna White, Benjamin Caron, Stephen Schiff, and Beau Willimon (who wrote all three episodes of the Narkina 5 prison arc, including Luthen's famous monologue). Furthermore, I think there are some good writers/directors for _The Clone Wars._ I basically just wanna remind people, especially when it comes to _Andor,_ that the great creative minds named in this video cannot and have not done it alone.
I'm one of those OG Star Wars fans. I couldn't wait for the Ashoka show to air. However, along the way I saw what they did to Luke in the Sequel Trilogy. Then, I saw that Obi-Wan going from main star to co-star. I finally had had enough and canceled my subscription. As much as I adored Ashoka in the cartoon, I refuse to endorse Disney with a subscription to their shows. After Ashoka released, I would ask friends if they liked it. In other words, "please give me a reason to end my boycott. .." Nothing but crickets in the background.
This saddens me because I WANT SW to be there for the generations growing up, as it was for me, but it isn't, it's a husk of itself filled with empty/hollow "fans" who only identify with a character because "they did something cool!" SW is...was so much more than that. It was never George self inserting himself in to say how life beat him down (for the unaware he was a racing enthusiast before directing) the writers including Filoni, are narcissistic ego maniacs who are piggy backing of a good mans work. Just like Lotr is going through now. Not one of these people earned the right to even touch Lucas' ip. Filoni is whipped harder than a Twileak on Friday night at the palace, until the subs fall drastically, we're stuck here.
Mando Season 1 and 2, Clone Wars Season 7 (minus the middle arc), and Bad Batch season 1 (i havent seen season 2) were all great. But now they are throwing literal shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.
Short answer on what happened after Mandaloruan s2. Chapek didn't understand why KK was working on Children of blood and bones instead of overseeing SW. Iger put her there to give Favreau creativ fredom) Kathleen didn't only fire Gina she didn't like that Luke was in the spotlight again (why? Not 100% sure) She gave Dave a promotion ECD so he got above Jon in Jon's own creation. That's why Grogu went back etc. Dave has since then creative cotrol over everything, only reporting to KK. So now it is KK's SW we see. Favreau is no longer in charge and his vision for this era is more or less dead. Dave is praising KK for everything inbevery intervju now
I'm right up there with you as far as the Marvel franchise goes, dude. Marvel has SERIOUSLY gone downhill, since Avengers: Endgame. The last Marvel content that I felt engaged in, was Falcon and the Winter Soldier (mainly because I'm a Cap guy). However, I will say that I do agree that the structure of these shows on Disney+, is all wrong. Yes, I understand the need to keep users subscribed to the service and to keep you "on the edge of your seat" whilst trying to maximize profits. Both of those, being things that Disney STAR WARS and Disney (in general) really hasn't done. Especially lately. Yet we have the "RUclips Disney shills" (seemingly) who do reactions to numerous episodes of STAR WARS shows and will praise and lap-up everything we've been given. "NPC's waiting for their next download" (as Jeremy from Geeks + Gamers would put it). Thankfully, this is what sets you apart from them.. Which I think is one of the reasons why I connect and relate with you so well, is that you speak your mind and aren't a biased try-hard. Yes, Mando (Season 1 & Season 2) were taking STAR WARS in sort of a course correction route (directly following on from the events of Return of the Jedi) and George has actually been on set and behind the scenes, during these 2 Seasons. There's even photos of him, Dave (Filoni) and Jon (Favreau) sat together, with Kathleen Kennedy relegated to the back. And it did feel like George was, in some small way, directing or calling the shots. You felt connected to it and it was done well. Then everything started going to shit.. And let's not even get into the whole thing with Gina Carano (We stand with you, Gina!). The Kenobi show, for example.. Was easily the most anticipated and hyped show and *should've* really delivered.. But again, due to bad structure, bad writing, lackluster visual effects and agenda-driven nonsense that we didn't want or ask for.. The show tanked and has been a trend with the STAR WARS shows that we've had since. Until Disney addresses this (and I'm not holding my breath that they will), these types of stories and shows are doomed before they even get off the mark. Here's *MY* idea for Disney+ STAR WARS shows.. Whilst comic-books are fine and all-in-all another great media source, why doesn't Disney do a 6 or an 8 episode show on something they would do as a comic-book? For example, taking some of the Dark Horse Comics or even the Marvel STAR WARS ones and turning them into shows. That would definitely keep people tuned-in, and especially for those that don't read comic-books. They'd be better structured or would at least fit the structure of what they have and would be a great way to build the product and get the franchise back on its feet.
They shouldve just released 3 parts of obi wan that were well written and produced AND MADE SENSE and just released one part every month, they would get more money from people holding on to subs longer, the fans would be happy, and it would allow time for the shows to build hype and us to theorize and think.
I would have Dave Filoni write/produce, Tony Gilgroy beef up dialogue (one of his specialties), Jon Favereau direct, and Sam Witwer act/produce. Make a kick ass side story that doesn’t even touch on the skywalker saga just some self contained story somewhere else in the galaxy. Would be amazing
Unfortunately, Disney has made all the mistakes you mentioned, but also actively declared war on the fandom. They knowingly, and purposefully, turned Star Wars into a propaganda machine for "the message". Renewing KK for two, and it would appear three times, despite her ruining Star Wars, makes it clear Disney does not care about George Lucas vision, nor retaining the fans who made Star Wars the success it was. At this point, movies being released would continue the slide. I will NEVER see a Disney Star Wars movie in the theater. The only way for Disney to save Star Wars is to get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, drop "the message," apologize to the fandom, and release Favreau Star Wars. You can keep the Filoni Star Wars, i've watched Ahsoka.
I kinda hope that with the surge in "reaction" content... that this will heavily impact Disney+ subscriptions and force them to put things back in the cinemas.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 was pretty good… Also, agree with Theory. I wish they had some more compelling stories. Instead they are just drawn on and on😑
Im just glad as a 90s kid i lived through the golden era of Star Wars . We had the 6 films, the 2 clone wars shows and all the greatest videogames like KOTOR , battlefront games, the force unleashed, jedi knight and academy and so much more. Today the star wars medium feels like garbage food in comparison, quantity over quality. It was fun while it lasted
I still love it and hope for the best, but yeah, I'm glad I grew up in that renaissance era of Star Wars
The golden era of star wars was 77-83. How can a 90s kid have loved through that?
@@jamesarnold7253*whoosh*
Just stop😂
@@jaggerjackize you don't know what a golden era is do you?
90s kids will never know how thrilling it was standing in line for the first three films, hoping they still had tickets available, with fellow SW fans talking about our latest SW figures acquisitions. Ah, good times. 😉
The days of going to the movie theaters are over. You can thank streaming and COVID-19 for that.
It’s a cash cow for them. Just put some lightsabers, xwings, tie fighters, pew pew pew and use a name of a character as the title and that’s it. There’s no care into the writing.
It isn’t. D+ has cost them billions because few too people watch this stuff now.
The regular normie will be pleased.
Facts my bro
I see someone has taken their pew pew juice.
What did you not like about the shows? Can you be specific? I would think introducing new characters, and even expanding on old characters is a good thing. It helps create new avenues for stories and ideas to come off from. Yes disney dropped the ball hard on the sequels, but honestly, the D+ shows arent as bad as he is making them seem. I feel like he is mad they wouldnt let him monetize that vadar movie and now he has a grudge against Disney but idk.
The Disney Star Wars formula:
1) Take a random character.
2) Make that character the title name of the show
3) Insert characters who have nothing to do with main characters
4) hype the show on social media for 4 months
The end.
You forgot tge pain part: terrible writing and acting+ use nostalgia so delisional Fans like it
... and put a chick in it and make her lame and gay!
And don’t forget number 5) you sitting there and watching it.
@@jibril2473 most importantly 5.1》 streaming itnon illegal sites
Also the fact where they hype up the finale only for it to suck literally every single time except mando season 2.
That's the kicker right there: target audience. Dear Disney, stop trying to make Star Wars for everyone, and make Star Wars for Star Wars fans.
What a concept… make content for the most beloved IP in history for the folks who made it the most beloved IP in history.
Radical idea!
There's a saying: When you try to appeal to everyone, you appeal to no one."
One might think that one's a novel idea ... it's baffling, really, since there is no real reason for Star Wars to appeal to everyone either. It already is the most valuable franchise of all time, what more of an audience is there to capture?! :D
Yeah it's ironic how they're targeting every possible audience except those who actually like star wars.
They tried doing that with Last Jedi
I truly like you speaking your mind. I get that you wanted to keep the fanbase together, be constructive - but good will has to have its limits. They threw away every credit, spent every goodwill we could give them. its time to demand more, better Star Wars. The stories we deserve. The stories the gave us are a mere shadow of the ones they dismissed, now being Legends former EU. Time to hold them accountable and demand they earn our fandom, our passion, our love. Keep it up, very excited for the Star Grift Mondays with MauLer. May the force serve you well my friend.
It’s impossible to keep a fandom together. There will always be people who think palpatine returning even though makes no sense… makes for a good movie
You’re never going to get better Star Wars as long as the IP is under the control of this current iteration of Disney.
Then go watch something else.
Not until they remove kathleen palpatine
Andor is by far the best Disney Star Wars show. I want more shows like it and am so ready for season 2.
The best show but Theory hates on it 🤷♂️
@@nocap4557he doesn’t hate it, plus Mando is equal to it maybe slightly above idk each day it changes
@@alexnowicki286 I didn’t say he hates it but that he hates on it calling it boring.
@@nocap4557 oh true, idk it’s not for everyone it can be slow for some people I personally enjoyed it, I think it’s up there with Mando for sure
Andor was great I liked the vibe & everything but Mando seasons 1 & 2 have been the only Star Wars live-action property since prequels where I actually felt the magic again. Will def watch Andor season 2 though
Disney doesn’t care what we want. They’ll continue to ruin this franchise.
they do, why else would they be doing fan service and spilling billions into Star Wars
Beating a dead horse at this point. It’s never gonna change. If these movies are made, I promise you we aren’t gonna like it. Star Wars is all over the place right now. Oversaturated like Marvel, to the point people lost all interest. Instead of getting 1-2 great projects in 3 years, we’re getting 5-8 projects per year, and we’re lucky to get 2 good ones.
Disney seemed to decide to use their "Big Name" characters from Marvel and Star Wars to promote their "new" characters. Even Mandolorian did this even though he was a new character. It's like an immediate cash out and was very obvious.
Their new characters media like Andor and Mandalorian are actually good shows. The same goes for the Rogue One movie (sequel to Andor). Their garbage shows are the ones with old characters - Kennobi and Bobba Fett. Another show with old character, Ashoka, is mediocre. So the "new character" stuff needed actual writing, plot, good dialogue, etc. while the old character stuff was running on nostalgia bait and put in the bare minimum effort because they thought nostalgia + pewpew & lightsabers were enough to make up for everything.
@@Intranetusathey’re not ready for that conversation 👀
the problem is multi fold. 1. people who either don't care or actively despise Star Wars are making decisions. 2. low budget. it looks cheap and the quality suffers. 3. political messaging. 4. destruction of Legacy characters. constantly insulting or degrading established beloved characters to prop up new unliked ones.
5 the over focus on the movie timeline. as we've seen Disney cannot handle Legacy characters and attempts to try end badly. but instead of using the 25 thousand years BEFORE the movies with all the possible characters they could want to make they're focused on the already established characters and setting. and the overreliance on cameos and established characters to save the shows proves how low the quality is. but the biggest problem isn't 1 of these. it's ALL of them. because they all feed into eachother which results in shows that have fans either disappointed, angry or in some cases depressed.
we WANT to like the shows. we really truly do. but Disney won't get out of its own way.
Very well said.
Genuinely curious, what of it is political messaging?
anytime Disney star wars gets heat they throw racism or misogyny as the reason people don't like it. probably the biggest example is Reva in Kenobi. there's also the very easily edited out lesbian kiss scene in TROS that was in Western cinemas but suspiciously absent in Chinese cinemas. or the poster for Force Awakens that prominently featured Fin in the West but had him much smaller in Chinese posters. there are alot more but these should help clarify. @@bobaoriley1912
Ah yes, Star Wars, a franchise well-known for its lack of political themes, political undertones and political messaging
@@HelloThisIsGadget there's the political etc etc of pre Disney and then there's the blatant politics of post Disney. moreover there's entertaining political themes/undertones/messaging. and then there's attacking and insulting politics. made worse by IRL political attacks whenever people voice dislike of something
I think the biggest problem’s isn’t the shows it’s the writing of the shows if they were good and faithful to what George created and had good writing like Shows like Better Call Saul,Breaking Bad,GoT,House of the Dragon,Buffy,Old Doctor who then this wouldn’t be a problem.
You can tell that there was moments that were good in Ahsoka and Mandolorian season 3. The problem is where you can clearly tell people interfered to make a point or put things in to fill certain quotas. Wish we could just have a good show without having to make a point or fill quotas. Theory has many good points throughout this video.
I feel like Disney has focus groups watch their shows... but not just any focus groups, they select people in the group like lawyers select a jury... they have no prior knowledge of the subject and thus no love for Star Wars. Then the ask the group what they liked about the characters and if they could guess what the show was about. It's bewildering what Disney is doing to Star Wars. It's like watching a plane crash from 30,000 feet... its wings fell off and all you can do is stare at it as it approaches the ground at 500mph.
No one at Disney can "fix" Star Wars. No one at Disney can "correct" course for Star Wars. No one at Disney understands. You yourself are so uplifting and positive that I hesitate to say the next thing. Disney has tainted all of Star Wars, backwards and forwards. They have stained it. That taint is very possibly indelible, because Disney Star Wars will always be there, in its abominable existence, regardless of any personal or official retcons. Certain people will now forever be known as Those Who Destroyed Star Wars, and as concerned about legacies as they were, they'll have to settle for infamy! What a wretched hive of scum and villainy! At least we of the scattered fandom don't have to live with THAT!
You are your own man, a very good man, I am convinced, and some comment from a random person in chat isn't going to crush you, so I said it. What you have here, the enjoyment of the intangible enchantment that Star Wars held for so many for so long is why I watch your videos and listen to your words. As much as they harp about "magic and pixie dust" Disney has no clue about that enchantment! You give us a focus, those of us who remember and knew that magic, savored the fine points of it, and to me that is now the shared enjoyment. Looking back to before the Dark Times of Disney, before the evil Empress, and the transformation of Lucasfilm into Pukeusfilm, that is what we have. Each of us, in some way, knew the enchantment they will never know.
I was actually surprised that Andor was a really good show. I have watched 6 episodes now, and I have enjoyed every single one. And I usually am picky in what I watch.
The only way they can move forward is by going back. Somehow they need to decanonize the sequels, or at the very least have them in an alternative universe. I think fans would be more forgiving of some of the shows but knowing where it all leads taints that. Also they have simply been coasting on nostalgia. That'll only last for so long.
100% agreed
Sam Witwer has been GM-ing pen and paper Star Wars RPGs with his buds since he was in junior high (knowledge courtesy of the Order 66 podcast). That’s more Star Wars writing experience than anyone has currently writing for Disney Star Wars.
Nailed it.
There’s no passion for the lore in these new series. It’s a bunch of checkboxes in a corporate board room and nothing more to keep the Disney + subscribers from cancelling.
Not entirely true.
@@Webhead259 I was talking about the shows but okay.
In terms of shows: Andor is amazing. Mandalorian is good. Ashoka is mediocre. Bobba Fett and Kenobi are bad.
In terms of movies: Rogue One is amazing. Han Solo is ok. The new trilogy ranges from ok to bad.
Watch the good stuff and skip the bad ones. That is how Disney will learn. Tony Gilroy made Andor and co-directed Rogue One.
Neither Disney nor Lucas Film have the interests of the Star Wars legacy or the Fans in mind. I seriously think they hate both with a passion.
I’m so glad to see this channel moving in a more critical direction, instead of the coping of the past.
still arguably coping with the past. Actual quote from this guy "we should assemble the original team for the prequels."
We love you Theory, you are the voice of many of us lifelong fans
I was there in 1977 as a kid and couldn't get enough. Star Wars was magical and it lit the fire of science fiction for me. I saw it more than a dozen times in the theater. I did whatever odd job I could to raise the $2.50/ticket. I had the Story of Start Wars LP and wore it out. Santa brought the Kenner early bird certificate at Christmas for the action figures. I built the plastic models of the x-wing and Vader's tie fighter and hung them from my bedroom ceiling. I have a lot of empathy for you since you've stuck with it for longer than I did and you have so much more invested. I bailed after EP 1 (EP III was tolerable and I was OK with Rogue One since it led right into IV). It just wasn't the same. I despise what they've done to the original character-rich franchise. But hang in there, brother... you're a good man with a big heart.
Good job brother. Star wars fans will always vote for independent creators such as yourself, over the soulless, corporate greed of Disney.
I really like this take and the whole 'feel' of this vid. Super constructive, but critical where it needed to be. Well done mate!
In Kenobi we should have gotten the black krrsantan fight like in the comics, that speech about how he was taught alot of things just not how to disappear would have been great.
I was extremely excited for the kenobi show and got a subscription just for that show. Disney could've done so much more with that show than the disaster we got. Week after week I watched, hoping for more but extreme disappointment is what I was left with. It's a shame
YES. I was SOOOO disappointed with the lack of obi-Anakin flashbacks. So annoyed with the characters that had nothing to do with the main characters.
So much missed opportunity with Hayden coming back on with possible looks into what Vader was going through… etc etc
terrible writing and character development. Obi Wan became a side character in his own show to Leia and Reva. Only saving grace were the Vader scenes
Another great video SWT! I totally agree about the character development. They should be looking at shows like The Walking Dead. There is only so much that you can do with Zombies attacking. Change the location, kill a friend or family member of the main characters. That show had to rely on the depth of it's characters and their believable development. If Star Wars had development like that, they would never run out of stories to tell. They have an entire universe to throw at those characters to see how it would effect their lives. Any Star Wars show would end up being a longer running series than the Simpsons.
We need to stop dissing Andor. But I see your point.
It’s getting dissed for a reason it’s not that great
I’m so glad Star Wars Theory is using his platform and voice to speak the truth that Disney needs to hear.
He’s not hating either, he’s being completely honest and he’s actually trying to help. Because to him, myself, and millions of other people, the Star Wars story that George Lucas started, is the best story ever told and it’s unfair and selfish that they’re throwing all of that away just for their personal greed and for them to keep pocketing monthly subscriptions and for selling merchandise.
As of right now, I think the best movie sequence to ever come out is the MCU from 2002 through 2019. (Spider-Man to Endgame). Star Wars had potential to compete and even be better than the MCU but the last 3 movies really knocked them into ridiculous territory, up there with the Fast & Furious franchise.
If Disney had these guys as their head of Star Wars division: Dave Filoni, Jon Favreau, Star Wars Theory and if they can get George Lucas as a part time writer / mentor, that would be the ultimate dream team.
They either need to shorten them into movies, or flesh them out into 12 episode seasons. They are at such an awkward length right now where they have the pacing of a show but the length of a long movie. That, to me, is the real problem here (setting aside the writing and their preaching of The Message ™️).
Theory, you are a hero to the Star Wars community. So many of us don’t have a voice and no one listens to us about what we want with Star Wars. You have a voice. Beacsue of people like you I have hope that one day Star Wars will return to greatness.
i agree that they are hurting star wars but i like the concept of long format tv shows for these vast systems of material. it would take someone sitting down and planning things out down to a tee to do this correctly. id prefer what they are doing where there isnt vast number of years between movies but they would need be be planning 4+ years (in detail) in the future to keep things good and coming out on a set schedule. not sure if its possible in practice but id love to see this done right
I put off watching Obi Wan for a long time as I knew the reviews for the show were pretty bad, most people saying exactly what you pointed out in the video about the formula for the show being stretched out with unnecessary rubbish. I recently got curious though and decided on watching the Patterson Cut, as I figured Obi Wan would work better as a movie. I feel like the cut did an amazing job at condensing the story down and I actually really enjoyed it for what it was. All of the best moments were highlighted and not tarnished by needless narratives that went nowhere or mean nothing.
Bro didn’t just say Filoni has done great things AFTER the Disney acquisition ☠️
4:04 you were just talking about how all the Disney Plus shows end of a cliffhanger and I started thinking about how most Breaking Bad episodes end that way and then you mentioned it as an example of shows that don’t do that lmao
“Only through destruction can we bring about change.” - Kathleen Kennedy
@Star Wars Theory The problem with corporate companies like Disney is that they see Ip's such as Star Wars as a product to be consumed based on market research, not as a work of art to please its fan base who are the customers. In order for Star wars to thrive again it needs to be kept far away from Disney. A Star Wars TV show can work if it is done properly with good writing and directing, simple as that. We saw that in Mando season One.
What do Prequel fans want out of Star Wars? Revenge of the Sith Part II, III, IV, and V starring Hayden Christensen? What other parts do you want them to explore?
Disney would never do this but my dream scenario would be this...
They can stick to Animation, Video Games, Star Wars Land and things like that! BUT they should sell some of the rights towards making Live Action Films to other Studios. Much like how they worked alongside Sony to bring Spiderman into the MCU but now they would be dealing SW characters and concepts out to other studios. This would give so many other filmmakers the chance to make something fresh and exciting while simultaneously ensuring that the Disney corporation gets a small percentage of the profits. It's a WIN WIN in my opinion because even if another studio makes a film that is bad or controversial then Disney is still in a good position to distance themselves away from it and have excellent damage control. Example, "We didn't make this... Universal is what handled what you saw on screen". But there would surely be some films that were done well and we as the fans would finally start to see creative and unique interpretations of Star Wars films.
In summation, Disney gets $$$ & We get all kinds of new Star Wars material. Universal, Sony, Paramount, Lionsgate, Warner Bros, A24, etc etc etc. Let them have a crack at it. If one company starts doing really well in particular then you can sell the Star Wars brand for Billions of dollars down the road.
I don't think we could handle Witwer on the creative team. He is a rabid fan of the OG-LUCASverse, with a three-dimensional grip on the characters and story. We'd come out of the theatre crying and begging for more. We'd go back at watch in the theatre, again. You know, like the old days.. before the dark times.
👏👏👏👏👏👏
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking for ages - Dave, Jon, Sam and Tony
Loving the new theory’s takes channel! I like to see your storytelling skills outside of the Star Wars universe
Well, they payed a huge mass of money and they have to earn a lot of money. Simple.
The way Walt’s fly episode progressed his character is something disney could never understand. He literally spent a whole episode tryna kill a fly yet we learned so much about him. Meanwhile at disney, Reva is angy and wasted a whole show for obi and anakin/vader fans
It is so bizarre, I get very little in the way of enjoyment from Star Wars these days, but I get massive enjoyment from the RUclips commentary. Honestly, at this point, I’m much happier to be having my views contribute to your income than that of Disney. Thank you for all the great vids
Man imagine if George Lucas bought back Star Wars
There’s a ongoing rumor he’s teaming up with Nelson peltz and Ike to overthrow Bob iger by buying up shares so they have boardroom seats
He sold Star Wars
Like a new car it lost 20% value when Disney bought it. He’d probably make a profit
Lucas wanted to make a story about how Leia was the chosen one and bring back Darth maul so Anakin had never actually destroyed the sith. Also have it super focused on midichlorians. The same people who hated the sequels would hate this too
@@jamesarnold7253that is not true lmao. He never wanted her to make the chosen one. She became a politician who fought the crime mafia created by darth Maul.
I’m glad you said something about this, it’s not a secret but I’m tired of the people trying to defend it and call you out for not liking it.
Disney is destroying Star Wars full stop.
I really miss the time when female characters were awsome to name a few:
Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, From voyager Captain Katheryn Janeway, seven of nine, Lara Croft (Jolie), Aeon Flux, From DS9 Jadzia Dax, Coronel Kira, Mulan (animated), Major Motoko Kusanagi(ghost in the shell animated, Jackie Brown, Selene from Underworld and the list goes on.....BUT NOW WE ONLY GET MARIE SUES LEFT AND RIGHT
100% agree on this.I understand companies need to do things for the sale of revenue. And that's fine. But it feels like that all these are being created with zero care/passion and ONLY revenue. Ironically the revenue is probably doing worse because of this.
You hit the nail on the head with this one and with such clarity, please keep up the intensity and staying true to what Star Wars is.
2002-2004: the best year for Star Wars content.
It’s not a disney problem, it’s a corporate culture problem.
And unless the mentality of “consume new product” stops, then all franchises will be turned in Mind Flayers.
I'd say 1977-1983 was the best
@@jamesarnold7253 that’s only if you count the films.
And to be honest, that’s an Apathy mindset…
@@LooneyVoices6398 so much great SW content during that time.
Captain Fordo and General Grievous were the highlights.
@@AncestorEmpire1 I don't think so... I wasn't around at that time but when the first star wars movie came out it was a massive cultural thing. Adjusted for inflation it's the 2nd biggest movie ever. That is clearly the time star wars was at it's biggest. I'm surprised anyone would argue against that
People my age lived through the prequels which were a mainstream big thing in 1999 then faded out by 2002 and then the same in 2015 which faded out by 2018. But the hype from 1977 lasted until 1986 without ever really dying down at all.
To put it into perspective all 3 of the OT beat Jurassic Park, The Lion King, Grease which were all huge things in their own rights
@@jamesarnold7253 you still don’t understand.
And to be honest, it’s not just you but a majority of the SW fandom.
Star Wars is not just films and television. It is a brand, a Mythos.
2002-2004 was a banger that covered all bases on a high level. An actual balance, unlike that wanna be Kreia nonsense KK led Lucasfilm tries to push.
Well I do agree that the OT won’t be topped or matched, 2002-2004 was and is a gold age for SW content was regularly coming out.
Do you you want to make money, or divide your fan base?
DISNEY: "YES"
You see when Lucas created it it was not just a vision it was a dream something that actually brought a sense of life to such a small world that we started off with something even greater as we continued on. Now with the acquisition Disney doesn't see that Vision because Lucas isn't there when the Creator isn't there to continue his vision it tends to fall apart because there's no sense of coherency of the story so what you means that the Creator isn't there the story is going to fall apart
Add Bryce Dallas Howard to that list. She was the director of TBOBF episode 5.
Disney is probably the worst offender, but this is not unique to Disney. Hollywood needs to get it's self figured out, before a bunch of studios go bankrupt.
Kenobi was supposed to be a movie
That project was scrapped. Then the script was retooled into a series
Then production was halted the day they were supposed to begin shooting for a full rewrite
I love how you just snapped one day and became an Anti-Disney Star Wars 100%.
Don’t get me wrong it’s your opinion, it’s your channel, do what you want, don’t see this comment as a means of trying to change you. It’s just crazy as an outsider looking in how the content direction seemingly changed out of nowhere
Watching this channel for like 2+ years, it’s crazy how much Theory has been critical of everything Disney does. I believe that Disney deserves some negative feedback, but not to the degree he talks about . I feel like these days, like 40% of what he talks about is hating on Disney, calling Disney what he believes to be “woke”, and generally just talking bad about Disney. It’s getting tiring.
@@bobaoriley1912 it’s crazy cus half of the stuff that’s happened with Star Wars under Disney i think most of the fanbase enjoys.
We got the Jedi Games, Lego Star Wars games, Battlefront 2 all under the Disney Era,
We got Star Wars Rebels, the first two seasons of Mandalorian, Bad Batch (which I don’t love but fans seem to love it), we got Visions season 1 and 2, Clone Wars season 7, I mean I’m just saying it’s not perfect or the best it can be but I feel these things are worth mentioning in the conversation
@@JakeTylenolI agree I love s lot of the stuff Disney has done, but some of the biggest things they’ve like obi wan and book of boba have been massive disappointments and could have been something to truly bring the fanbase together instead the inconsistency has ripped it apart even further, a lot of the stuff does seem politically motivated and it’s just sad because of the potential it all has ruined
I don't even think Filoni should be involved at this point. Ahsoka lost any faith I had in him.
Unpopular opinion; create a whole new Star Wars movie series set during Old Republic. I guess you could call it a reboot, but “reboot” is a strong word kinda. But I would be so excited for a new story line.
Personally I agree but i don't want to see it created by the current set of personalities at Lucasfilm.
They should move away from the sequels era and make some projects set during the old republic
@@jeffbrewer1580 Current LucasFilm would butcher it.
@@jeffbrewer1580yeah I really don’t wanna see how bad they could butcher the old republic lmaoo I love some of the stuff in the Disney era but I also hate some as well and what they’ve done to some of the beloved characters is criminal
I wish we could go back in time and Lucas was still the Man in charge. I was there for the opening for the first movie at the theaters and I can say the excitment was like no other.... "Before the dark times...before the empire." ;)
That collab of people would honestly be next level. Tony Gilroy knows how to write at such high quality + the Star Wars knowledge the others know….. we would be in for something insane
Gilroy overrated himself.
Tony Kilroy is the JJ abrams of Star Trek. And we all know how that turned out.
Hint: Star Trek is in the toilet.
6:00 we know exactly what happened to Mandalorian season 3 Dave filoni walked away from it to work on Ahsoka and it shows.
More happens in an average episode of Game of Thrones than an entire season of Disney+
Andor begs to differ.
Exactly! It’s like they have an hour or two’s worth of tv that stretch out to six or eight 35 minute episode, by having everyone walk slowly, stand around, break up sentences add in some cheesy poorly down action, and then try to convince us that it’s going to be a great season because they are adding a cameo or two.
@@eds1942 Cheesy poor action? I think you're spoiled on something.
@@achaudhari101 Poorly done. Yeah, it’s pretty bad.
@@eds1942 Not really. Sounds to me like you are confirming you are spoiled on what we saw during the Prequels. Well, I'm sorry they don't use sticks with CGI anymore but actual light sword props for movement.
Right. I noticed they structured their shows in a way that ends the Finale on the first week of the month. So you HAVE to renew one last time to see how the Season ends. & Then you are stuck with a Disney+ Sub for another 3 weeks that you do not even use. Its sooo annoying!
Dudes out here saying how all of us real fans feel. Like why tf isn't Sam used more why does it feel like they just can't seem to get it right when it's so obvious what the fans want.
Due to myself loving grammar of titles and the central ideas of stories, I believe it would be better to have your new channel name be Theoretical Tales, or Tales of Theory, or rather The Tales of Theory. That last ones sounds much more alluring to me.
Here is the problem with the movies though. They are chosing identity politics and whatever Ryan Johnson thought he was doing over having a good story. Plots don't make sense. Everything gets retconned and when anyone calls them on it they are racist/sexist/etc. They can't look past themselves to make good characters and tell good stories.
Have you actually tried running that logic through your head? How does the inclusion of a person of color or a woman affect the quality of the story at all? Does casting a woman somehow take budget away from the writing team? It makes no sense, y’all just see a mediocre movie, blame the minority who is just in the film and run with it. It’s insanely dumb if you think about it even a little bit. Get over it, women and black people exist
@wexler8368 you didn't read what I said did you. No crap women and black people exist, might want to tell Disney's China division that though. The problem isn't they are in movies, I was looking forward fo Rey and everyone in the movie. The problem is the characters were bad. Fin was screwed over by Disney since movie 1. Rey has no character development and is just a terribly written character. Heck poe was wasted. Not one of the characters in the movie was good and the plot was a broken mess. Does not matter gender or skin color. If the original trilogy was as poorly written as those 3 movies were, there would be no starwars after the first movie.
People like you are why we can't have these conversations. You either incorrectly or intentionally assume any criticism of a female or non-white character is people being racist/sexist. Literally called you out in my first comment. Cast all the women/ people of color you want. Just make them good characters and give them good plots. If you don't your going to be called out on it. So yeah women and people of color in movies are not a problem. Bad characters, plots, identity politics and people like you are.
@@Allmightyimortal i did read your comment, otherwise i wouldn’t have responded. Frankly i completely agree with you that they wasted both rey and finn, but your comment clearly states the problem is identity politics, which when boiled down, barely exist or don’t even exist in these films. Anytime, and i mean a n y time “people like you” since we’re apparently generalizing see a new movie/game with a nonwhite or male protagonist, y’all immediately jump on the boycott wagon “oh wow they’re so WOKE and focused on IDENTITY POLITICS the movie is bad because they’re woke woke woke” and the main lead is just black
@wexler8368 they literally went around with shirts saying the force is female and claimed anyone who didn't like Rey was sexist, and unless they were from China, anyone who had problems with fin were racists. That is quite literally identity politics. Literally, every woman/ person of color in these films is "perfect," while any white man is an idiot, washed up, pathetic, or evil. If a film doesn't want to be accused of being wokr, don't act like it. Do people jump on that boycott wagon to soon, yes. But it's because of movies like these 3. Also that not generalizing "people like you" if you act like them and take any criticism as sexism/ racism. It's not.
My man Theory dgaf anymore! Keep it real bro and keep up the great work up!
Theory, you are missing an integral point: Current Disney doesn't care about money, they only care about "the message" they shove into everything.
Dude you have just spoken so much truth and I thank you for that! I hate how Disney and streaming services are ruining movies and film making. it's terrible and I hate how political things are. what happened to good story telling?!? Thank you for being so honest and speaking the truth! Also dont listen to all those haters that you'll get from this! screw them! May the force be with you!
Man this channel used to be fun and positive. Ever since Mauler clawed his hands in here the negativity took over...Sad. Unsubscribed.
Yeah - no wonder his videos now get sub 80k views
Remember when a TV show season had 22-26 episodes? And now-a-days, even 8 is too much for the writers, the stretching and filler is painfully visible.
The sequels are better than the prequels and maybe even of the original trilogy, people not admitting how good the sequels are don't want to give them credit because it's a female lead. The way they treated every character is just perfect yet people complain because they can't admit how good it really is, they should make shows and movies about the Sequels and every fan should be happy about that, Ahsoka was also good because it was a female lead, Disney + would do good if they proceed like that 💯
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@@alexsawyer9652 What's so funny about it? Why the sequels are so under appreciated? There are nearly no flaws in these movies compared to the prequel trilogy and yet people complain because they don't like Rey the GOAT jedi that has a way darker story and well written one than Luke or Anakin
@@MrJojoringo Buddy the sequels are terrible, let's not get it twisted
@@baconbob901 You just won't admit it because you're some anti-woke guy, if you look at it without all these politics it's near perfection, contrarily to the prequels
I understand what he say, and makes sense
Disney is focused on the quantity and not the quality.... and thats sad....
You know what? Even though I don’t agree with some of your opinions, I am with you on this. I miss movies. I think if they started making moving again instead of a bunch of shows it would be better.
Wow, your blunt candour from start to finish is so laughably refreshing...
May The Force Continue To Be With You!
Your right about the Obi-Wan Series it was insulting to the legacy of the characters, the actors and the fans.
“You have to pull your heads out of your bumholes” had me dead 💀 😂
Either make them to a movie or make the season 10-12 episodes at least 50-60 min per episode but well written with good pacing. I’d rather have a movie than an 3 episode season.
Andor, Bad Batch and TotJ are objectively the best Star Wars since the glory days of Mathew Stover, James Luceno, and Timothy Zahn.
1) make a random main character
2) put the name of a beloved character as the show title
3) make show about the random main character 4) Make Kathleen Kennedy the director
I understand what he means by narrowing it down to the best people to take _Star Wars_ forward (i.e. Dave Filoni, Tony Gilroy, Jon Favreau, Sam Witwer), but as someone who loved _Andor,_ I do wanna remind people of the other directors and writers on that show: Dan Gilroy (Tony's brother), Toby Haynes, Susanna White, Benjamin Caron, Stephen Schiff, and Beau Willimon (who wrote all three episodes of the Narkina 5 prison arc, including Luthen's famous monologue). Furthermore, I think there are some good writers/directors for _The Clone Wars._
I basically just wanna remind people, especially when it comes to _Andor,_ that the great creative minds named in this video cannot and have not done it alone.
I'm one of those OG Star Wars fans. I couldn't wait for the Ashoka show to air. However, along the way I saw what they did to Luke in the Sequel Trilogy. Then, I saw that Obi-Wan going from main star to co-star.
I finally had had enough and canceled my subscription. As much as I adored Ashoka in the cartoon, I refuse to endorse Disney with a subscription to their shows.
After Ashoka released, I would ask friends if they liked it. In other words, "please give me a reason to end my boycott. .."
Nothing but crickets in the background.
100% sir !!! Thank you for all that you do.
And F*** "influencer."
You are a real life hero.!!! 👍👍🙏🍻
Now in hindsight that was more likely Favreau, not Filoni..... I would love to see the franchise in Jon's hand....
I don't know... Having several scenes of that guy from Andor eating Froot Loops at his mom's house was pretty compelling stuff there.
This saddens me because I WANT SW to be there for the generations growing up, as it was for me, but it isn't, it's a husk of itself filled with empty/hollow "fans" who only identify with a character because "they did something cool!" SW is...was so much more than that. It was never George self inserting himself in to say how life beat him down (for the unaware he was a racing enthusiast before directing) the writers including Filoni, are narcissistic ego maniacs who are piggy backing of a good mans work. Just like Lotr is going through now. Not one of these people earned the right to even touch Lucas' ip. Filoni is whipped harder than a Twileak on Friday night at the palace, until the subs fall drastically, we're stuck here.
Mando Season 1 and 2, Clone Wars Season 7 (minus the middle arc), and Bad Batch season 1 (i havent seen season 2) were all great. But now they are throwing literal shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.
Obi-Wan was the biggest let down. Atleast since the sequels. Once I found out the director I knew it was going to be off but damn.
Short answer on what happened after Mandaloruan s2. Chapek didn't understand why KK was working on Children of blood and bones instead of overseeing SW. Iger put her there to give Favreau creativ fredom)
Kathleen didn't only fire Gina she didn't like that Luke was in the spotlight again (why? Not 100% sure) She gave Dave a promotion ECD so he got above Jon in Jon's own creation. That's why Grogu went back etc. Dave has since then creative cotrol over everything, only reporting to KK. So now it is KK's SW we see. Favreau is no longer in charge and his vision for this era is more or less dead.
Dave is praising KK for everything inbevery intervju now
I'm right up there with you as far as the Marvel franchise goes, dude. Marvel has SERIOUSLY gone downhill, since Avengers: Endgame. The last Marvel content that I felt engaged in, was Falcon and the Winter Soldier (mainly because I'm a Cap guy).
However, I will say that I do agree that the structure of these shows on Disney+, is all wrong. Yes, I understand the need to keep users subscribed to the service and to keep you "on the edge of your seat" whilst trying to maximize profits. Both of those, being things that Disney STAR WARS and Disney (in general) really hasn't done. Especially lately. Yet we have the "RUclips Disney shills" (seemingly) who do reactions to numerous episodes of STAR WARS shows and will praise and lap-up everything we've been given. "NPC's waiting for their next download" (as Jeremy from Geeks + Gamers would put it). Thankfully, this is what sets you apart from them.. Which I think is one of the reasons why I connect and relate with you so well, is that you speak your mind and aren't a biased try-hard.
Yes, Mando (Season 1 & Season 2) were taking STAR WARS in sort of a course correction route (directly following on from the events of Return of the Jedi) and George has actually been on set and behind the scenes, during these 2 Seasons. There's even photos of him, Dave (Filoni) and Jon (Favreau) sat together, with Kathleen Kennedy relegated to the back. And it did feel like George was, in some small way, directing or calling the shots. You felt connected to it and it was done well. Then everything started going to shit.. And let's not even get into the whole thing with Gina Carano (We stand with you, Gina!). The Kenobi show, for example.. Was easily the most anticipated and hyped show and *should've* really delivered.. But again, due to bad structure, bad writing, lackluster visual effects and agenda-driven nonsense that we didn't want or ask for.. The show tanked and has been a trend with the STAR WARS shows that we've had since. Until Disney addresses this (and I'm not holding my breath that they will), these types of stories and shows are doomed before they even get off the mark.
Here's *MY* idea for Disney+ STAR WARS shows.. Whilst comic-books are fine and all-in-all another great media source, why doesn't Disney do a 6 or an 8 episode show on something they would do as a comic-book? For example, taking some of the Dark Horse Comics or even the Marvel STAR WARS ones and turning them into shows. That would definitely keep people tuned-in, and especially for those that don't read comic-books. They'd be better structured or would at least fit the structure of what they have and would be a great way to build the product and get the franchise back on its feet.
D+ is keeping my money, I have kids. It’s a parenting necessity - I’ll admit it.
D+ is making decent enough content to stay. I can admit it too. Wish they would've picked up Harry Potter instead of Universal getting it.
They shouldve just released 3 parts of obi wan that were well written and produced AND MADE SENSE and just released one part every month, they would get more money from people holding on to subs longer, the fans would be happy, and it would allow time for the shows to build hype and us to theorize and think.
Mando season 1 and Andor are probably the only things I've actually enjoyed, Ahsoka basically killed any hope I had for the future of Star Wars
I would have Dave Filoni write/produce, Tony Gilgroy beef up dialogue (one of his specialties), Jon Favereau direct, and Sam Witwer act/produce. Make a kick ass side story that doesn’t even touch on the skywalker saga just some self contained story somewhere else in the galaxy. Would be amazing
Unfortunately, Disney has made all the mistakes you mentioned, but also actively declared war on the fandom. They knowingly, and purposefully, turned Star Wars into a propaganda machine for "the message". Renewing KK for two, and it would appear three times, despite her ruining Star Wars, makes it clear Disney does not care about George Lucas vision, nor retaining the fans who made Star Wars the success it was. At this point, movies being released would continue the slide. I will NEVER see a Disney Star Wars movie in the theater. The only way for Disney to save Star Wars is to get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, drop "the message," apologize to the fandom, and release Favreau Star Wars. You can keep the Filoni Star Wars, i've watched Ahsoka.
I kinda hope that with the surge in "reaction" content... that this will heavily impact Disney+ subscriptions and force them to put things back in the cinemas.
The Mandalorian Season 2 came out while KK was ruining Episode VIII.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 was pretty good…
Also, agree with Theory. I wish they had some more compelling stories. Instead they are just drawn on and on😑