A 36 cal Pocket Police is still a great carry arm. With 777 powder I can get the same ballistics as 380 Auto. I gave it a piano wire trigger bolt spring and slix shot nipples and it's been very reliable and totally off the books. I also like the fact that I can make caps, powder and balls to keep in running way into the end times.
I am a currently "prohibited person" , had a drug problem and landed in an NC prison for 3 years. Got out in '20 and took care of post release and probation and turned my life back straight. I'll be petitioning the court to restore my firearm rights soon. In the meantime I moved to SC and bought a Colt 3rd gen 1860 Army to carry about. Its too big to fit in my pocket but i have a holster if I choose or I appendix carry it. I've become very proficient with it and it's absolutely deadly with .454 roundballs and 32 grains of 777. Chronographs at 1180 feet at 15 feet from muzzle. Not for a second do I feel undergunned or outclassed by any modern firearm. A man's gotta know his limitations. I know mine and if you practice enough with your chosen arm, you won't be caught lackin' as they say. Take care.
@RebelSlyder Do not take my word for it, and do your own research because I do not live in Florida but most southern states (Georgia excluded I'm told) don't prohibit felons from owning and OPEN carrying a blackpowder pistol on their person. Always do your own research and do not rely on anyone's opinion or advice that does not live in the state that you do. A RUclips comments section is definitely not the place to obtain legal advice on those matters which could result in serious prison time if you don't do your own due diligence and I'd hate to see anyone get into trouble going on my word for anything like that. Take care.
I hate it that you can't have a firearm but somebody who is arrested And released for assault, a violent crime, misdemeanor, can have a gun after 7 years, if I'm not mistaken. It's bullshit. I met some people who were caught with weed with a gun, never put up a fight, told the officer, "yes, I have a gun and weed" and fully surrendered without putting up a fight and did their time
@28ebdh3udnav Thanks, it does make life a bit inconvenient, but it's temporary, and I'll have my rights restored in the future ( low-grade felonies are easier) It's sort of a silver lining because I'd have probably continued to disregard cap-and-ball sixguns if I still had my modern firearms and instead I've found them to be excellent weapons that require patience and practice to master but now I'm not sure I'll ever go back to carrying a modern semi-auto on a regular basis ( circumstances not withstanding) I have gotten familiar with the old Colt and it's comfortable, effective and pretty so it'll remain my EDC long after I have my rights restored. Modern guns have their advantages and their place but day to day I'll carry what I've become accustomed to here lately. Laws change all the time anyway.
I have the same model except it’s a belly gun version. Pietta makes a 1860 army with a 3 inch barrel. I carry it as my edc since I’m in the same boat as you(convicted felon). You should think about getting the 3 inch, it’s much more comfortable to carry around and still packs a hell of a punch
@@ATruckCampbell In Poland its practically impossible (for normal civilian) to get firearm permission for self defense. People had to join club, pass tests and exams and get police dept agreement to get "sport license", and then they are obligated to attend competitions, not to loose it. And youre in police files forever as a gun owner. BP firearm, I'm sorry: historical replica, you can buy on internet (18+).
Point # 2 :I've had Factor Loads Miss Fire on a few Occasions and Factory rounds that would not Chamber , The other day I had a .2L.R. Casing Burst at the Rim. Factory loads are usually Pretty Good but not Perfect.
I carry my 1860 Snub nose all the time. It has had an action job, cap post installed, and stainless nipples. It also is loaded with a Kaido 240 grain conical and 30 grains of powder.
@@eaSTS9 Yeah, Goons gun works. He does a phenominal job, but be prepared to wait. Mine took about 6 months, which infuriated me when I was told it would only be about 3 weeks. He did wind up making it more than fair though. Mike truly is a great guy though, I just think he takes on more than he can handle sometimes.
3" barrel will give at most 550 fps with a 143 gr round ball. I don't want to think with a 240 gr bullet. Do yourself a favor and 1) load your snub with round ball on top of 30 gr Swiss 1: 830 fps OR 2) swap in your 1860 snub a more efficient and effective cylinder cartridge conversion, either BP 45 Long Colt or 45 ACP.
@@antoninogerbino4074 I have a conversion cylinder on back order with Taylors. They say they are working with Howells and Pietta to get the conversion cylinders back up and running.
I live in South Carolina and go to see my family once or twice a year in NY. NY doesn't recognize SC pistol permits, so I carry a .44 Cattlemen black powder revolver with me when I do go
Better talk to a NY gun attorney. When I was in NY, owning my Brown Bess musket, it was not a firearm, until it was loaded...then it magically became one.
@@SteveAubrey1762under federal law if I’m not mistaken. A firearm that was made before 1899 or a replica it is considered antique and doesn’t follow the same laws as modern firearms
Black power hand guns were a viable thing at one time. You can even carry multiple cylinders too as was done. A couple of extra cylinders would do the trick.
My problem with this is I have been unable to find a single reputable account of anyone actually carrying a spare cylinder. Easier to just carry a back up gun. I think this is a modern myth. A Jose Wales with 3 guns could fire 18 rounds a heck of a lot faster than anyone with 1 gun and 3 cylinders. I don't believe people did carry extra cylinders and if anyone did they weren't very smart since an 1860 Army cost less than 30 dollars in today's money or about 3 bucks back then.
No, it's not bad - it's actually pretty good - but I can draw my second revolver and be shooting in 2 seconds or less, and I can carry 4, 2 Armies, a Navy, and a Pocket Gun. I dare say your 6 seconds is faster than a cartridge gun of the period can be reloaded. Each shell has to be pushed out one at a time, then reloaded one at a time. Twelve seconds? If people actually changed cylinders out because it's faster then they'd still be doing it when the first cartridge guns came out and yet I'm unaware of a single written account at the time of anyone actually changing cylinders out during a gun fight under fire. The fact is people who wanted maximum firepower in combat carried multiple guns, not one gun and multiple cylinders.
@@texascelt8363 Not a "where" but a "when". In 1865 you could buy one for the same money then as 30 dollars today, or about 2 bucks then. So get the way back machine out, Sherman!
I agree. I can buy modern firearms without issue but my black powder arms are mine and no one else’s business. I’m one who just wants to be left alone.
Good video. I liked it. Hopefully, come next spring, I will be making a double shoulder holster for EDC. Most folks back then carried two back then, so why not us? I will keep in touch for springtime. Doc
One scenario you didn't cover is civil unrest. The guys at work made fun of me for collecting BP revovers. But what they didn't consider is it only takes one good shot from a BP gun to get something better.
This video popped up because I am a black powder enthusiast. Several good points were made but under reliability two important weaknesses in modern black powder pistols (Ruger Old Army excluded) are the bolt spring and the hand spring. I own a revolver and twice the bolt spring has broken. There are fixes for this but they require someone with the ability to drill holes and make springs. The fixes, if done by a gunsmith can bump up the price of your pistol into the range of modern guns. It's your choice but go in with your eyes and ears open.
I've had a spring break on a Taurus .380 less than 6 months old. And made BP springs from piano wire. And I keep olenty of spare parts on hand for all my firearms.6 S#$t happens. Be prepared.
I agree. I've been shooting them for around 40 years. I've never seen nor experienced a chain fire. I've always used Remmies, or the Old Army. I know that Colt replicas have different issues than mine. But failure to fire isn't a problem with my own stuff . Remmies don't like to be shot all day without being periodically cleaned. But carry is unaffected. But normally I just carry a revolving.22. all for the same reason.
They did the job when they were State of The Art so why not now. Newer designs have many advantages especially against multiple Assailants but it all comes down to the Old Adage "Run What You Brung" .The Gun you have at home in the Safe isn't going to help you but the one you're carrying might save your life. If you went to the Range to shoot your Cap & Ball and the Bad Guys show up before you get home they Are Not going to wait for you to go Home .
You make some interesting and compelling points, sir! This goes along with some conversations friends and I have had about "off-the-books" and virtually untraceable weapons. Good quality BP revolvers (that "good quality" bit being very important) can be quite reliable. Most problems I've seen were user-induced, not because of an inherent problem with the gun. I'll be very interested in seeing your information on making black powder.
Reason 8 would be for people who have lost their ability to have a firearm due to criminal conviction. I have a friend who in his youth more than 35 years ago committed a non-violent crime and spent roughly two years in prison for it. He used to use black powder for hunting and personal protection because that was the only thing he was allowed to have legally after he got out. He uses regular firearms now that he petitioned the court and got his gun rights back but for a lot of years he used black powder.
2:25 "should I carry a BP or modern gun" its like "should I carry smartphone or old-fasioned button-mobile" - when it comes to phonecalls both will do the work :) And I own old Nokia.
Except with the smart phone you have to pass an FBI background check, it's becoming illegal in a growing number of states, and you have to pay a special tax on every minute you use it and you have to sign for every minute - and some people want you to have to pass a mental competency test before you can call anyone.
Yep, makes a lot of sense. When it’s loaded it’s just another revolver, six shots to get you out of trouble. If you need more than that you’re probably dealing with more than one bad guy and that’s a whole other situation.
Hi. With the tightening of regulations in France, it appears that the sale of black powder revolvers is increasing. If you know the current situation you will understand why.
It's still a modern revolver, meaning background checks, licensing, registration, none of which is needed in most places with black powder revolvers. But one can convert a C&B to cartridges. It will double the cost of the gun but it can be done and then one has a six shot "modern" revolver no one knows about.
Yeah, well I live in Louisiana and carrying a black powder pistol in this weather is just plain dumb. It's not so much the heat, but the 100% humidity that will just cause havoc on black powder, and brother, if you take those pistols you just shot and just put them away without cleaning them, well black powder and it's residue is corrosive and mixed with the heat and humidity, just the formula for disaster. I love my black powder rifles and pistols, but I'll carry modern for self defense.
I live in the deep South where we regularly hit 99 and 100% RH in the summer and cannot agree with your asessment of it's effects on C&B revolvers. Flintlock technology yes, but not percussion caps. Based on my 50 years shooting experience humidity is just not an issue with C&B. Just replace the caps once a week and problem solved!
Well I’ve seen more rusted and destroyed black powder pistols in Louisiana then I have anywhere else in this country. And I’m not about swapping out caps every week. It’s either a waste of caps or you’re discharging each cylinder. Which means you’re cleaning the pistol right after. Again I’ll continue to carry modern firearms as an everyday carry and enjoy my percussion and flintlocks at the range.
Without watching the vid: 1) each shot creates a smoke screen so you can beat feet 2) the assailant, upon seeing your cap and ball revolver believes that you are bat shit crazy and flees in confusion 3) you want to be able to tell a really interesting story about your self defense shooting 4) the bad guy might be a Outlaw Josey Wales fan and decide to call off the attack in new found brotherhood with you 5) you like a challenge 6) chicks dig cowboys and finally 7) you prefer to fight in a bug free environment and smoke clears the immediate vicinity of all flying insects.
My position isn't the point. I saw a trend and then played a word game asking myself why people might be making that choice, and came up with 7 reasons. As you saw in the video I own both BP and conventional firearms.
I am not sure what has occurred here, as my comment was a response to another commenter that said black powder was lame. I asked the question to her.? @@timesgonetech3057 ... How it got singled out, with your response, is mystifying. And if you don't like people being on your side, so be it.
I make all my own black powder and caps the powder I make is cleaner than what I can buy I even reload some shotgun shells and 38 ammo with black powder
@@colt10mmsecurity68 I was being general in description any modern bullet they are conacal where the majority of black powder ammo is a roundball which doesn't cut but rips
@@donaldballman2825 If it were so good of a “round” (projectile), then the ammo makers would have continued with the design in todays modern defense cartridges. The round ball sucks in performance. Did you know that more civil war soldiers on both sides died from infection than gunshot wounds on the battlefield. That’s because the round ball sucks.
None of my revolvers are adjusted for loading conicals but that's a planned video in the near future. But during the Civil War soldiers repeatedly said conicals penetrate deeper but balls do more damage by punching a large hole. Will make an interesting meat target test! :-)
Couple things here. A self defense shooting can happen at any distance. As a self defense shooting can happen as close as the thickness of a car door, the width of a coffee table like my first self defense shooting, or about 100 yards. If black powder revolvers was as unreliable as people think they are, I would never have carried one as my service revolver back in the 1990’s while working as a Pinkerton agent within the banking system. And honestly the only problem with black powder revolvers, is that people stupidly think they are not real gun’s which is the biggest mistake anyone can make. As they very much are real gun’s that are just as capable of killing as that Colt Desert Eagle everyone wants.
How many documented self defense shootings have happened at 100 yards? At that distance it would be pretty hard to argue self defense in court unless the front hallway of your mansion was 100 yards long.
Black powder is awsome, I shoot BP rifles but I live in Canada so obviously can never carry a pistol of any sort on me.....but I cant see why anyone would choose BP pistol for defense over smokeless/modern. It seems more like LARPing in an unnecessary way.
No background check, no licensing, no registration, no waiting period. Do a cartridge conversion and you have a .45 caliber "gun" no one knows about and is perfectly legal - at least in the USA. And felons can own and carry them - in the USA. At least for now.
I'm not sure what your point is, but if you're equating cap and ball revolvers with bb guns, I can't think of anyone sent to the boneyard with a bb gun. Can't say how many millions have been killed with cap and ball, so again, I'm not sure what your point is considering this video is about cap and ball revolvers, not bb guns.
Black Powder wouldn't be a choice I would make for self defense, but, you do what you do. And the giant smoke cloud might provide cover for a Mall full of people to flee the danger! 😁
Yeah... I forgot to open the gate. The fence is chain link so no real harm done. The holes let air through the privacy screen. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :-)
I enjoy shooting my cap and ball revolver recreationally, but I’d rather use a more reliable, durable and accurate firearm to protect my loved ones and myself. Cap and ball, flintlocks, matchlocks and sharp sticks were and are effective weapons, but why would someone choose one of them if they had access to a better tool? I guess if someone wants to carry a cap and ball revolver for the novelty of it, whatever blows their hair back. I’
The effectiveness of the projectile, is not the issue. The issue is the lack of reliability of the components. Percussion caps are not as reliable as modern centerfire primers. When I shot black powder a lot, several years ago, I had numerous dud caps, and numerous jams when the spent cap fell down into the action causing a jam. Black powder is very hydroscopic, meaning it will absorb moisture, so that is a problem in high humidity areas. In an enclosed area, if you fire multiple times at a target, there will be so much smoke, you will have no idea if you hit the target, you can't see the target, so you don't know if there is still an imminent threat. And forget about reloading, if the attacker wants to extend the encounter. All in all, this type of weapon is a bad choice for self defense.
First rule, only shoot what you can see. If you cant see the bad guy he cant see you and you got time to escape. I had lots of cap jams when i bought my first black powder revolver, but since i learned how to fix my guns (Colts) i have not had a single cap jam. That is for more then 25 years. My other black powder revolver, Roger & Spencer, has never failed on me.
"All in all, this type of weapon is a bad choice for self defense." A wet spaghetti noodle is a bad choice for self defense, because it cannot accomplish this task. Other options are better choices, but the validity of choices exists on a continuum and not just as either "good" or "bad". 9mm is a better choice than .22LR, but that doesn't make .22LR automatically bad. More importantly, this validity is not a universal measure, but one based on context and circumstances. 9mm may be better than .22LR, but if for whatever reason 9mm is not an option (such as not being able to handle 9mm), then it isn't even a choice to begin with and .22LR is a better choice than a sharp stick. Black powder is certainly not ideal, but if pressed, it can accomplish the task. The whole point of this video is to explain why someone might choose it. The great thing about freedom is that people are free to make decisions that work best for them, even if it isn't the choice we'd make ourselves.
Well said!! Percussion guns have put plenty of people down no problem long before any semi-auto was invented.
A 36 cal Pocket Police is still a great carry arm. With 777 powder I can get the same ballistics as 380 Auto. I gave it a piano wire trigger bolt spring and slix shot nipples and it's been very reliable and totally off the books. I also like the fact that I can make caps, powder and balls to keep in running way into the end times.
The .36 is a good conceal carry size and good stopping power. Good ballistics too - very flat trajectory. Too many people underestimate them.
I am a currently "prohibited person" , had a drug problem and landed in an NC prison for 3 years. Got out in '20 and took care of post release and probation and turned my life back straight. I'll be petitioning the court to restore my firearm rights soon. In the meantime I moved to SC and bought a Colt 3rd gen 1860 Army to carry about. Its too big to fit in my pocket but i have a holster if I choose or I appendix carry it. I've become very proficient with it and it's absolutely deadly with .454 roundballs and 32 grains of 777. Chronographs at 1180 feet at 15 feet from muzzle. Not for a second do I feel undergunned or outclassed by any modern firearm. A man's gotta know his limitations. I know mine and if you practice enough with your chosen arm, you won't be caught lackin' as they say. Take care.
I’m prohibited and live in Florida. Can I own & carry a black powder pistol?
@RebelSlyder Do not take my word for it, and do your own research because I do not live in Florida but most southern states (Georgia excluded I'm told) don't prohibit felons from owning and OPEN carrying a blackpowder pistol on their person. Always do your own research and do not rely on anyone's opinion or advice that does not live in the state that you do. A RUclips comments section is definitely not the place to obtain legal advice on those matters which could result in serious prison time if you don't do your own due diligence and I'd hate to see anyone get into trouble going on my word for anything like that. Take care.
I hate it that you can't have a firearm but somebody who is arrested And released for assault, a violent crime, misdemeanor, can have a gun after 7 years, if I'm not mistaken. It's bullshit. I met some people who were caught with weed with a gun, never put up a fight, told the officer, "yes, I have a gun and weed" and fully surrendered without putting up a fight and did their time
@28ebdh3udnav Thanks, it does make life a bit inconvenient, but it's temporary, and I'll have my rights restored in the future ( low-grade felonies are easier) It's sort of a silver lining because I'd have probably continued to disregard cap-and-ball sixguns if I still had my modern firearms and instead I've found them to be excellent weapons that require patience and practice to master but now I'm not sure I'll ever go back to carrying a modern semi-auto on a regular basis ( circumstances not withstanding) I have gotten familiar with the old Colt and it's comfortable, effective and pretty so it'll remain my EDC long after I have my rights restored. Modern guns have their advantages and their place but day to day I'll carry what I've become accustomed to here lately. Laws change all the time anyway.
I have the same model except it’s a belly gun version. Pietta makes a 1860 army with a 3 inch barrel. I carry it as my edc since I’m in the same boat as you(convicted felon). You should think about getting the 3 inch, it’s much more comfortable to carry around and still packs a hell of a punch
I truly love that there is a subculture in Poland (and other countries) that pack C&B revolvers, functionally badass.
It is because BP revolvers and BP rifles don't need special permissions like a modern guns (for most of central-east europe)
@@ArgoPower It is the same in the states, you don't have to be 21 to own a BP pistol.
@@ATruckCampbell In Poland its practically impossible (for normal civilian) to get firearm permission for self defense. People had to join club, pass tests and exams and get police dept agreement to get "sport license", and then they are obligated to attend competitions, not to loose it. And youre in police files forever as a gun owner. BP firearm, I'm sorry: historical replica, you can buy on internet (18+).
Point # 2 :I've had Factor Loads Miss Fire on a few Occasions and Factory rounds that would not Chamber , The other day I had a .2L.R. Casing Burst at the Rim. Factory loads are usually Pretty Good but not Perfect.
I carry my 1860 Snub nose all the time. It has had an action job, cap post installed, and stainless nipples. It also is loaded with a Kaido 240 grain conical and 30 grains of powder.
Who did the action job etc? Goon guns? I'm considering a similar setup, just sold my full size 1860 Army, no use for 8" barrel revolver
@@eaSTS9 Yeah, Goons gun works. He does a phenominal job, but be prepared to wait. Mine took about 6 months, which infuriated me when I was told it would only be about 3 weeks. He did wind up making it more than fair though. Mike truly is a great guy though, I just think he takes on more than he can handle sometimes.
Have you ever, after carrying it for a while, noticed that any of your caps have fallen off?
3" barrel will give at most 550 fps with a 143 gr round ball. I don't want to think with a 240 gr bullet.
Do yourself a favor and
1) load your snub with round ball on top of 30 gr Swiss 1: 830 fps
OR
2) swap in your 1860 snub a more efficient and effective cylinder cartridge conversion, either BP 45 Long Colt or 45 ACP.
@@antoninogerbino4074 I have a conversion cylinder on back order with Taylors. They say they are working with Howells and Pietta to get the conversion cylinders back up and running.
Just having a gun will most Likely save you. Most attacker will run when they see you have a gun. No one want to be shot!
I agree and I am NOT a 'prohibited person'.
Anybody knows that extra holes in our body is no bueno and it generally hurts when it happens. How it gets there is irrelevant.
I live in South Carolina and go to see my family once or twice a year in NY. NY doesn't recognize SC pistol permits, so I carry a .44 Cattlemen black powder revolver with me when I do go
I'm surprised that's not illegal in NY.
@timesgonetech3057 black powder is still considered as a primitive weapon in NY, so it's allowed
That's coool.!
Better talk to a NY gun attorney. When I was in NY, owning my Brown Bess musket, it was not a firearm, until it was loaded...then it magically became one.
@@SteveAubrey1762under federal law if I’m not mistaken. A firearm that was made before 1899 or a replica it is considered antique and doesn’t follow the same laws as modern firearms
Black power hand guns were a viable thing at one time. You can even carry multiple cylinders too as was done. A couple of extra cylinders would do the trick.
My problem with this is I have been unable to find a single reputable account of anyone actually carrying a spare cylinder. Easier to just carry a back up gun. I think this is a modern myth. A Jose Wales with 3 guns could fire 18 rounds a heck of a lot faster than anyone with 1 gun and 3 cylinders. I don't believe people did carry extra cylinders and if anyone did they weren't very smart since an 1860 Army cost less than 30 dollars in today's money or about 3 bucks back then.
I can swap the cylinder in an 1858 remington in 6 seconds. That's not as fast as a modern glock but it's not bad.
No, it's not bad - it's actually pretty good - but I can draw my second revolver and be shooting in 2 seconds or less, and I can carry 4, 2 Armies, a Navy, and a Pocket Gun. I dare say your 6 seconds is faster than a cartridge gun of the period can be reloaded. Each shell has to be pushed out one at a time, then reloaded one at a time. Twelve seconds? If people actually changed cylinders out because it's faster then they'd still be doing it when the first cartridge guns came out and yet I'm unaware of a single written account at the time of anyone actually changing cylinders out during a gun fight under fire. The fact is people who wanted maximum firepower in combat carried multiple guns, not one gun and multiple cylinders.
@@timesgonetech3057 Please let me know where you can buy a 1860 army for 30 dollars I will buy all of them
@@texascelt8363 Not a "where" but a "when". In 1865 you could buy one for the same money then as 30 dollars today, or about 2 bucks then. So get the way back machine out, Sherman!
I agree. I can buy modern firearms without issue but my black powder arms are mine and no one else’s business. I’m one who just wants to be left alone.
Yup!
When ammunition is unavailable and you have the ability to make your own…
Black powder is easy to make but idk about caps/primers
Good video. I liked it. Hopefully, come next spring, I will be making a double shoulder holster for EDC. Most folks back then carried two back then, so why not us?
I will keep in touch for springtime.
Doc
One scenario you didn't cover is civil unrest. The guys at work made fun of me for collecting BP revovers. But what they didn't consider is it only takes one good shot from a BP gun to get something better.
Good point!
Yes!
This video popped up because I am a black powder enthusiast. Several good points were made but under reliability two important weaknesses in modern black powder pistols (Ruger Old Army excluded) are the bolt spring and the hand spring. I own a revolver and twice the bolt spring has broken. There are fixes for this but they require someone with the ability to drill holes and make springs. The fixes, if done by a gunsmith can bump up the price of your pistol into the range of modern guns. It's your choice but go in with your eyes and ears open.
I've had a spring break on a Taurus .380 less than 6 months old. And made BP springs from piano wire. And I keep olenty of spare parts on hand for all my firearms.6 S#$t happens. Be prepared.
I agree. I've been shooting them for around 40 years. I've never seen nor experienced a chain fire.
I've always used Remmies, or the Old Army.
I know that Colt replicas have different issues than mine. But failure to fire isn't a problem with my own stuff .
Remmies don't like to be shot all day without being periodically cleaned. But carry is unaffected.
But normally I just carry a revolving.22. all for the same reason.
I agree 100 percent! They are reliable and will get the job done. Will be looking forward for your video on making BP, thanks, great video!
The BP making series is done and in the can. :-)
They did the job when they were State of The Art so why not now. Newer designs have many advantages especially against multiple Assailants but it all comes down to the Old Adage "Run What You Brung" .The Gun you have at home in the Safe isn't going to help you but the one you're carrying might save your life. If you went to the Range to shoot your Cap & Ball and the Bad Guys show up before you get home they Are Not going to wait for you to go Home .
I like your content. Keep it up.
You make some interesting and compelling points, sir! This goes along with some conversations friends and I have had about "off-the-books" and virtually untraceable weapons. Good quality BP revolvers (that "good quality" bit being very important) can be quite reliable. Most problems I've seen were user-induced, not because of an inherent problem with the gun. I'll be very interested in seeing your information on making black powder.
Reason 8 would be for people who have lost their ability to have a firearm due to criminal conviction. I have a friend who in his youth more than 35 years ago committed a non-violent crime and spent roughly two years in prison for it. He used to use black powder for hunting and personal protection because that was the only thing he was allowed to have legally after he got out. He uses regular firearms now that he petitioned the court and got his gun rights back but for a lot of years he used black powder.
That is another reason outside of the purposes of this video.
2:25 "should I carry a BP or modern gun" its like "should I carry smartphone or old-fasioned button-mobile" - when it comes to phonecalls both will do the work :) And I own old Nokia.
Except with the smart phone you have to pass an FBI background check, it's becoming illegal in a growing number of states, and you have to pay a special tax on every minute you use it and you have to sign for every minute - and some people want you to have to pass a mental competency test before you can call anyone.
Yep, makes a lot of sense. When it’s loaded it’s just another revolver, six shots to get you out of trouble. If you need more than that you’re probably dealing with more than one bad guy and that’s a whole other situation.
100% thumbs up!
Also, black powder makes a nice smokescreen to help you escape!
Great video, all points I agree on. Black powder from the past....will last 😉
Of course there is always the BP cartridge revolver. 😊
Hi. With the tightening of regulations in France, it appears that the sale of black powder revolvers is increasing. If you know the current situation you will understand why.
I do indeed. It is rapidly becoming the same here. Thanks for watching my channel! :-)
I think the reason why they're doing that is because we dont want to go through a background check. We hate that.
I've never heard of a single crime ever stopped or prevented by a background check. Or by any gun control law for that matter...
How about using black powder shells with modern revolvers.
It's still a modern revolver, meaning background checks, licensing, registration, none of which is needed in most places with black powder revolvers. But one can convert a C&B to cartridges. It will double the cost of the gun but it can be done and then one has a six shot "modern" revolver no one knows about.
All true.@@timesgonetech3057
For the power players, a walker dragoon has the same ft lbs of energy as modern 9mm cartridges.
Ah, and so does an 1860 Army with an 8" barrel loaded with 40 grains of triple 7 and a conical bullet. 😀
Yeah, well I live in Louisiana and carrying a black powder pistol in this weather is just plain dumb. It's not so much the heat, but the 100% humidity that will just cause havoc on black powder, and brother, if you take those pistols you just shot and just put them away without cleaning them, well black powder and it's residue is corrosive and mixed with the heat and humidity, just the formula for disaster. I love my black powder rifles and pistols, but I'll carry modern for self defense.
I live in the deep South where we regularly hit 99 and 100% RH in the summer and cannot agree with your asessment of it's effects on C&B revolvers. Flintlock technology yes, but not percussion caps. Based on my 50 years shooting experience humidity is just not an issue with C&B. Just replace the caps once a week and problem solved!
Well I’ve seen more rusted and destroyed black powder pistols in Louisiana then I have anywhere else in this country. And I’m not about swapping out caps every week. It’s either a waste of caps or you’re discharging each cylinder. Which means you’re cleaning the pistol right after. Again I’ll continue to carry modern firearms as an everyday carry and enjoy my percussion and flintlocks at the range.
Without watching the vid: 1) each shot creates a smoke screen so you can beat feet 2) the assailant, upon seeing your cap and ball revolver believes that you are bat shit crazy and flees in confusion 3) you want to be able to tell a really interesting story about your self defense shooting 4) the bad guy might be a Outlaw Josey Wales fan and decide to call off the attack in new found brotherhood with you 5) you like a challenge 6) chicks dig cowboys and finally 7) you prefer to fight in a bug free environment and smoke clears the immediate vicinity of all flying insects.
Maybe watch the vid...
@@timesgonetech3057 I did and you made good points / I just tend to see the humorous side of things.
Which part of the video supports your position.?
My position isn't the point. I saw a trend and then played a word game asking myself why people might be making that choice, and came up with 7 reasons. As you saw in the video I own both BP and conventional firearms.
I am not sure what has occurred here, as my comment was a response to another commenter that said black powder was lame. I asked the question to her.? @@timesgonetech3057 ... How it got singled out, with your response, is mystifying. And if you don't like people being on your side, so be it.
@@user-im9ov9ud7m odd. On my side your comment appeared as a stand alone. Let's chalk it up to a software glitch. Thanks for commenting. :-)
The u toob has had some of those glitchy thangz in the past, so your chalk knows what's goin on @@timesgonetech3057. I liked your vid. Do more 😸
The only problem with BP revolver in my state is they no't allow lead we can't use for hunting , but I love black powder revolver and rifles
Have you checked that maybe antique muzzleloaders are exempt?
I make all my own black powder and caps the powder I make is cleaner than what I can buy I even reload some shotgun shells and 38 ammo with black powder
Government should have a cykeatric testing before going into office.we would have better gun Rights
How about the damage the round ball does over a regular bullet
What’s a “regular bullet” mean? A Federal HST or Winchester Ranger T hollow point is far SUPERIOR than a round ball.
@@colt10mmsecurity68 I was being general in description any modern bullet they are conacal where the majority of black powder ammo is a roundball which doesn't cut but rips
@@donaldballman2825 If it were so good of a “round” (projectile), then the ammo makers would have continued with the design in todays modern defense cartridges. The round ball sucks in performance. Did you know that more civil war soldiers on both sides died from infection than gunshot wounds on the battlefield. That’s because the round ball sucks.
@@colt10mmsecurity68 yes I know I didn't say it was a better round and the damage that happened in the civil war is the point I was making
None of my revolvers are adjusted for loading conicals but that's a planned video in the near future. But during the Civil War soldiers repeatedly said conicals penetrate deeper but balls do more damage by punching a large hole. Will make an interesting meat target test! :-)
Couple things here. A self defense shooting can happen at any distance. As a self defense shooting can happen as close as the thickness of a car door, the width of a coffee table like my first self defense shooting, or about 100 yards. If black powder revolvers was as unreliable as people think they are, I would never have carried one as my service revolver back in the 1990’s while working as a Pinkerton agent within the banking system. And honestly the only problem with black powder revolvers, is that people stupidly think they are not real gun’s which is the biggest mistake anyone can make. As they very much are real gun’s that are just as capable of killing as that Colt Desert Eagle everyone wants.
How many documented self defense shootings have happened at 100 yards? At that distance it would be pretty hard to argue self defense in court unless the front hallway of your mansion was 100 yards long.
Black powder is awsome, I shoot BP rifles but I live in Canada so obviously can never carry a pistol of any sort on me.....but I cant see why anyone would choose BP pistol for defense over smokeless/modern. It seems more like LARPing in an unnecessary way.
No background check, no licensing, no registration, no waiting period. Do a cartridge conversion and you have a .45 caliber "gun" no one knows about and is perfectly legal - at least in the USA. And felons can own and carry them - in the USA. At least for now.
@@timesgonetech3057 well, thank you for informing.
Some people use BB guns and air soft guns for self defense. Usually doesn’t work out well. To each their own 😁
Those aren’t considered deadly weapons. A black powder has put down thousands maybe millions of people.
I'm not sure what your point is, but if you're equating cap and ball revolvers with bb guns, I can't think of anyone sent to the boneyard with a bb gun. Can't say how many millions have been killed with cap and ball, so again, I'm not sure what your point is considering this video is about cap and ball revolvers, not bb guns.
You can choose what ever you want to for self defense
Prefer blk powder regolver
Revolver sorry I have 3 and 1 is a 9 shot revolver with a 12g shot gun barrel
Black Powder wouldn't be a choice I would make for self defense, but, you do what you do. And the giant smoke cloud might provide cover for a Mall full of people to flee the danger! 😁
One way of looking at it is any gun's better than no gun at all. It
Your shots are going through the fence behind the target just FYI
Yeah... I forgot to open the gate. The fence is chain link so no real harm done. The holes let air through the privacy screen. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :-)
I love it !!!!
Have a good one sir !!🎉
I enjoy shooting my cap and ball revolver recreationally, but I’d rather use a more reliable, durable and accurate firearm to protect my loved ones and myself. Cap and ball, flintlocks, matchlocks and sharp sticks were and are effective weapons, but why would someone choose one of them if they had access to a better tool?
I guess if someone wants to carry a cap and ball revolver for the novelty of it, whatever blows their hair back. I’
I went over some of the "whys" in the video. :-)
The effectiveness of the projectile, is not the issue. The issue is the lack of reliability of the components. Percussion caps are not as reliable as modern centerfire primers. When I shot black powder a lot, several years ago, I had numerous dud caps, and numerous jams when the spent cap fell down into the action causing a jam. Black powder is very hydroscopic, meaning it will absorb moisture, so that is a problem in high humidity areas. In an enclosed area, if you fire multiple times at a target, there will be so much smoke, you will have no idea if you hit the target, you can't see the target, so you don't know if there is still an imminent threat. And forget about reloading, if the attacker wants to extend the encounter. All in all, this type of weapon is a bad choice for self defense.
First rule, only shoot what you can see. If you cant see the bad guy he cant see you and you got time to escape.
I had lots of cap jams when i bought my first black powder revolver, but since i learned how to fix my guns (Colts) i have not had a single cap jam. That is for more then 25 years. My other black powder revolver, Roger & Spencer, has never failed on me.
@@guardsmanom134 Exactly so!
"All in all, this type of weapon is a bad choice for self defense."
A wet spaghetti noodle is a bad choice for self defense, because it cannot accomplish this task.
Other options are better choices, but the validity of choices exists on a continuum and not just as either "good" or "bad". 9mm is a better choice than .22LR, but that doesn't make .22LR automatically bad.
More importantly, this validity is not a universal measure, but one based on context and circumstances. 9mm may be better than .22LR, but if for whatever reason 9mm is not an option (such as not being able to handle 9mm), then it isn't even a choice to begin with and .22LR is a better choice than a sharp stick.
Black powder is certainly not ideal, but if pressed, it can accomplish the task. The whole point of this video is to explain why someone might choose it. The great thing about freedom is that people are free to make decisions that work best for them, even if it isn't the choice we'd make ourselves.
Cool defensive smokescreen the can't see you.
Can you put a red dot on it😂
I don't see why not. I don't use them but I guess you could.