@@ATruckCampbell In Poland its practically impossible (for normal civilian) to get firearm permission for self defense. People had to join club, pass tests and exams and get police dept agreement to get "sport license", and then they are obligated to attend competitions, not to loose it. And youre in police files forever as a gun owner. BP firearm, I'm sorry: historical replica, you can buy on internet (18+).
I am a currently "prohibited person" , had a drug problem and landed in an NC prison for 3 years. Got out in '20 and took care of post release and probation and turned my life back straight. I'll be petitioning the court to restore my firearm rights soon. In the meantime I moved to SC and bought a Colt 3rd gen 1860 Army to carry about. Its too big to fit in my pocket but i have a holster if I choose or I appendix carry it. I've become very proficient with it and it's absolutely deadly with .454 roundballs and 32 grains of 777. Chronographs at 1180 feet at 15 feet from muzzle. Not for a second do I feel undergunned or outclassed by any modern firearm. A man's gotta know his limitations. I know mine and if you practice enough with your chosen arm, you won't be caught lackin' as they say. Take care.
@RebelSlyder Do not take my word for it, and do your own research because I do not live in Florida but most southern states (Georgia excluded I'm told) don't prohibit felons from owning and OPEN carrying a blackpowder pistol on their person. Always do your own research and do not rely on anyone's opinion or advice that does not live in the state that you do. A RUclips comments section is definitely not the place to obtain legal advice on those matters which could result in serious prison time if you don't do your own due diligence and I'd hate to see anyone get into trouble going on my word for anything like that. Take care.
I hate it that you can't have a firearm but somebody who is arrested And released for assault, a violent crime, misdemeanor, can have a gun after 7 years, if I'm not mistaken. It's bullshit. I met some people who were caught with weed with a gun, never put up a fight, told the officer, "yes, I have a gun and weed" and fully surrendered without putting up a fight and did their time
@28ebdh3udnav Thanks, it does make life a bit inconvenient, but it's temporary, and I'll have my rights restored in the future ( low-grade felonies are easier) It's sort of a silver lining because I'd have probably continued to disregard cap-and-ball sixguns if I still had my modern firearms and instead I've found them to be excellent weapons that require patience and practice to master but now I'm not sure I'll ever go back to carrying a modern semi-auto on a regular basis ( circumstances not withstanding) I have gotten familiar with the old Colt and it's comfortable, effective and pretty so it'll remain my EDC long after I have my rights restored. Modern guns have their advantages and their place but day to day I'll carry what I've become accustomed to here lately. Laws change all the time anyway.
I have the same model except it’s a belly gun version. Pietta makes a 1860 army with a 3 inch barrel. I carry it as my edc since I’m in the same boat as you(convicted felon). You should think about getting the 3 inch, it’s much more comfortable to carry around and still packs a hell of a punch
A 36 cal Pocket Police is still a great carry arm. With 777 powder I can get the same ballistics as 380 Auto. I gave it a piano wire trigger bolt spring and slix shot nipples and it's been very reliable and totally off the books. I also like the fact that I can make caps, powder and balls to keep in running way into the end times.
Wow! - that’s identical to my setup, accept my trigger bolt spring is made from a safety pin. I’ve carried mine now for nearly 3 years even though I have a carry permit and have several other modern “tools” that I could carry. With proper loads, caps, bullets, a good tune up and polish job it is absolutely as reliable as a modern firearm. The only drawback is the limited capacity and SLOW reloading even with paper cartridges I can only get my speed down to around 45 seconds and that’s with no pressure or someone shooting at me!
One scenario you didn't cover is civil unrest. The guys at work made fun of me for collecting BP revovers. But what they didn't consider is it only takes one good shot from a BP gun to get something better.
I carry my 1860 Snub nose all the time. It has had an action job, cap post installed, and stainless nipples. It also is loaded with a Kaido 240 grain conical and 30 grains of powder.
@@eaSTS9 Yeah, Goons gun works. He does a phenominal job, but be prepared to wait. Mine took about 6 months, which infuriated me when I was told it would only be about 3 weeks. He did wind up making it more than fair though. Mike truly is a great guy though, I just think he takes on more than he can handle sometimes.
3" barrel will give at most 550 fps with a 143 gr round ball. I don't want to think with a 240 gr bullet. Do yourself a favor and 1) load your snub with round ball on top of 30 gr Swiss 1: 830 fps OR 2) swap in your 1860 snub a more efficient and effective cylinder cartridge conversion, either BP 45 Long Colt or 45 ACP.
@@antoninogerbino4074 I have a conversion cylinder on back order with Taylors. They say they are working with Howells and Pietta to get the conversion cylinders back up and running.
I live in South Carolina and go to see my family once or twice a year in NY. NY doesn't recognize SC pistol permits, so I carry a .44 Cattlemen black powder revolver with me when I do go
Better talk to a NY gun attorney. When I was in NY, owning my Brown Bess musket, it was not a firearm, until it was loaded...then it magically became one.
@@SteveAubrey1762under federal law if I’m not mistaken. A firearm that was made before 1899 or a replica it is considered antique and doesn’t follow the same laws as modern firearms
Excellent video. I agree that malfunctions of percussion revolvers are highly exaggerated. Plus usually malfunctioning in cap and ball revolvers are operator caused. If good components are used and good loading procedures are followed there will be very low chance of malfunctioning. You made some very good points. I don’t edc a percussion revolver but wouldn’t feel under gunned with one either. As always I enjoy your content.
Black power hand guns were a viable thing at one time. You can even carry multiple cylinders too as was done. A couple of extra cylinders would do the trick.
My problem with this is I have been unable to find a single reputable account of anyone actually carrying a spare cylinder. Easier to just carry a back up gun. I think this is a modern myth. A Jose Wales with 3 guns could fire 18 rounds a heck of a lot faster than anyone with 1 gun and 3 cylinders. I don't believe people did carry extra cylinders and if anyone did they weren't very smart since an 1860 Army cost less than 30 dollars in today's money or about 3 bucks back then.
No, it's not bad - it's actually pretty good - but I can draw my second revolver and be shooting in 2 seconds or less, and I can carry 4, 2 Armies, a Navy, and a Pocket Gun. I dare say your 6 seconds is faster than a cartridge gun of the period can be reloaded. Each shell has to be pushed out one at a time, then reloaded one at a time. Twelve seconds? If people actually changed cylinders out because it's faster then they'd still be doing it when the first cartridge guns came out and yet I'm unaware of a single written account at the time of anyone actually changing cylinders out during a gun fight under fire. The fact is people who wanted maximum firepower in combat carried multiple guns, not one gun and multiple cylinders.
@@texascelt8363 Not a "where" but a "when". In 1865 you could buy one for the same money then as 30 dollars today, or about 2 bucks then. So get the way back machine out, Sherman!
I am somewhat of a rare animal - an English guy living in France, with a colection of Black Powder guns. They are currently unrestricted in France, and I have 4 long guns (each capable of hitting a man size target at 300 yds) and two revolvers. My well maintained Remington 1858 pattern revolver .44 fires every time, and I feel it is perfectly adequate for protectng me and mine if the situation arises. I can reload in less than 20 seconds with my spare cylinder.
I recently purchased a black powder pistol and thought this video was more negative content but was surprised to find, it's what I've been thinking all along. . Awesome. Thanks
I agree. I can buy modern firearms without issue but my black powder arms are mine and no one else’s business. I’m one who just wants to be left alone.
I live in a state that doesn’t require ANY firearm to be registered and we are also constitutional carry as well. I buy most of my conventional firearms used from individuals so fortunately they are ALSO “mine and no one else’s business”.
Good video. I liked it. Hopefully, come next spring, I will be making a double shoulder holster for EDC. Most folks back then carried two back then, so why not us? I will keep in touch for springtime. Doc
Point # 2 :I've had Factor Loads Miss Fire on a few Occasions and Factory rounds that would not Chamber , The other day I had a .2L.R. Casing Burst at the Rim. Factory loads are usually Pretty Good but not Perfect.
Good vid myself have to Navy 51's 36 cal kept them loaded almost 2 yrs took them out fired no mis fires no problem and most importantly no harm to inside of cylinder cleaned and loaded again love these things
2:25 "should I carry a BP or modern gun" its like "should I carry smartphone or old-fasioned button-mobile" - when it comes to phonecalls both will do the work :) And I own old Nokia.
Except with the smart phone you have to pass an FBI background check, it's becoming illegal in a growing number of states, and you have to pay a special tax on every minute you use it and you have to sign for every minute - and some people want you to have to pass a mental competency test before you can call anyone.
I agree. I've been shooting them for around 40 years. I've never seen nor experienced a chain fire. I've always used Remmies, or the Old Army. I know that Colt replicas have different issues than mine. But failure to fire isn't a problem with my own stuff . Remmies don't like to be shot all day without being periodically cleaned. But carry is unaffected. But normally I just carry a revolving.22. all for the same reason.
That's why I started making my own. I have a supply of commercial caps stashed back but am saving them for now. I also make my own powder that tested out equal to or better than Goex, and cast my own projectiles from scrap lead.
Just in case someone is wondering. I purposely left my 1858 new model army fully loaded for one entire year then shot it to see if it hurts the gun or if it would fire. It DID fire albeit it didn’t feel like the loads were as powerful and more importantly after I cleaned it, she still looks like new. Than you for your videos.
Agreed......one of the reasons I mostly own 45 Colt and 45-70....plus a few years back I bought a few cases of primers....so, here I am looking at that dead willow in my yard as potential charcoal...
Reason 8 would be for people who have lost their ability to have a firearm due to criminal conviction. I have a friend who in his youth more than 35 years ago committed a non-violent crime and spent roughly two years in prison for it. He used to use black powder for hunting and personal protection because that was the only thing he was allowed to have legally after he got out. He uses regular firearms now that he petitioned the court and got his gun rights back but for a lot of years he used black powder.
Watched this after paul harrels personal defense cap and ball video, great presentation, love the paul references and meat targets 🇺🇸👍👍 RIP paul, thank you for giving credit to him and making similarly informative and entertaining firearm content 🇺🇸👍👍
Back in the day people carried revolvers for similar reasons as people do today. The main difference might be recharging; faster today, they just had a second "pistol" usually. What i find extremely interesting in this otherwise gimmicky theory is the legality of a cap-and-ball being "not a gun".
By federal law cap and ball is an antique muzzle loader, not a firearm. Only anything that uses self contained metallic cartridges is a firearm. But they're all 'guns' and C&B is still a deadly weapon and subject to CCW laws and anywhere a firearm is prohibited so are C&B. And if a C&B revolver is converted to fire black powder metal cartridges then it becomes a firearm. The only real advantage where I live is I can order one over the internet with no paperwork, forms, or background check and have it delivered to my front door.
You make some interesting and compelling points, sir! This goes along with some conversations friends and I have had about "off-the-books" and virtually untraceable weapons. Good quality BP revolvers (that "good quality" bit being very important) can be quite reliable. Most problems I've seen were user-induced, not because of an inherent problem with the gun. I'll be very interested in seeing your information on making black powder.
Always check your state laws. Yes, you can have them delivered to your door without a background check, but carrying it outside the home can be an entirely different matter. In Michigan, a black powder revolver that is carried in public is still considered a "firearm", so prohibited persons cannot carry one. Moreover, I have a concealed permit, and if I were to carry one concealed I would then need to register it with my local sheriff since Michigan still has a pistol registry.
Absolutely! ALWAYS check the laws in your jurisdiction. Never a bad practice. And if you don't like the laws where you live there's a process known as 'voting' to get those laws changed, or move... :-)
This video popped up because I am a black powder enthusiast. Several good points were made but under reliability two important weaknesses in modern black powder pistols (Ruger Old Army excluded) are the bolt spring and the hand spring. I own a revolver and twice the bolt spring has broken. There are fixes for this but they require someone with the ability to drill holes and make springs. The fixes, if done by a gunsmith can bump up the price of your pistol into the range of modern guns. It's your choice but go in with your eyes and ears open.
I've had a spring break on a Taurus .380 less than 6 months old. And made BP springs from piano wire. And I keep olenty of spare parts on hand for all my firearms.6 S#$t happens. Be prepared.
Yep, makes a lot of sense. When it’s loaded it’s just another revolver, six shots to get you out of trouble. If you need more than that you’re probably dealing with more than one bad guy and that’s a whole other situation.
The loose cap misfire can be corrected by a minor hammer spring adj. Yes, it does make it a bit rough on the thumb. Another important thing, when you are staring down the wrong end of a revolver you can clearly see that it's loaded. Not possible with an automatic pistol. That Bud is for U! I've had a pair of 1858 New Army Remington's for OMG 9+ years now. Still love them. I'd need serious shoulder holsters to conceal carry these full-sized hand cannons. Yes, I can shoot with both hands. ammo truly is way cheaper which in turn allows for more time at the range, never a bad thing. I like to fire at about 50 meters at the range. but again, I've had them a long time. for those who worry about accuracy. In truth it depends on you being consistent. I load 30 gr. of triple 7 Hornady .454 round ball # 11 Remington cap. But that is just me, the wife does better with 24 gr. of triple 7. when you find a sweet spot. stick with it, you can adj accordingly from there.
Got the same gun used the very same exact round, powder and caps. But I was losing 1 or 2 caps almost everytime I shot. And I done everything to keep them in place. I have a friend who does civil war reenactment battles after talking to him that others were talking about that, he said try a number 10 cap I did and they work. Been threw 20 tins of them and haven't had one pop off
A lot of Gun owners who have modern firearms, some of them into competitive shooting have a couple of CB guns as an insurance policy against gov firearm confiscation, One of the reasons Remington 1858 army revolvers are more popular now then they were originally are easy reloading and cartridge conversion. THINK ABOUT IT!
They did the job when they were State of The Art so why not now. Newer designs have many advantages especially against multiple Assailants but it all comes down to the Old Adage "Run What You Brung" .The Gun you have at home in the Safe isn't going to help you but the one you're carrying might save your life. If you went to the Range to shoot your Cap & Ball and the Bad Guys show up before you get home they Are Not going to wait for you to go Home .
Without watching the vid: 1) each shot creates a smoke screen so you can beat feet 2) the assailant, upon seeing your cap and ball revolver believes that you are bat shit crazy and flees in confusion 3) you want to be able to tell a really interesting story about your self defense shooting 4) the bad guy might be a Outlaw Josey Wales fan and decide to call off the attack in new found brotherhood with you 5) you like a challenge 6) chicks dig cowboys and finally 7) you prefer to fight in a bug free environment and smoke clears the immediate vicinity of all flying insects.
Couple things here. A self defense shooting can happen at any distance. As a self defense shooting can happen as close as the thickness of a car door, the width of a coffee table like my first self defense shooting, or about 100 yards. If black powder revolvers was as unreliable as people think they are, I would never have carried one as my service revolver back in the 1990’s while working as a Pinkerton agent within the banking system. And honestly the only problem with black powder revolvers, is that people stupidly think they are not real gun’s which is the biggest mistake anyone can make. As they very much are real gun’s that are just as capable of killing as that Colt Desert Eagle everyone wants.
How many documented self defense shootings have happened at 100 yards? At that distance it would be pretty hard to argue self defense in court unless the front hallway of your mansion was 100 yards long.
Not sure if you've mentioned it on here yet, but I keep my cap n ball loaded with the hammer resting on an empty chamber EVEN though the modern replicas have grooves or spurs in between one or all of the chambers for loading all the cylinders, I'm safety minded and alway leave an empty chamber.
I carry fully loaded and hammer between chambers. And I'm not one bit worried about unintentional discharge. But if you feel safer on an empty chamber then go for it.
I'm safety conscious as well I carry six and rest the hammer in between those caps. But to each there own and in the name of safety what ever works is right
I carry a g2c and sometimes I would like to carry a smaller BP revolver don’t have the money atm to buy a smaller one I got a 1860 army .44 and with a 45LC cylinder for it and a 1847 walker too big lol
Revolvers don't actually produce enough smoke for that - but my Lyman Plains rifle does! I've been deer hunting and literally had to step to the side just to verify I missed...
I hear ya, but good news folks, vids abound on pinterest on making black powder. Plus in many many places, black powder guns don't need to be licenced or registered.
Vids abound on you tube for free too. I even made a play list demonstrating two methods and you don't have to pay anyone to watch them. "Everything Black Powder" is a channel dedicated to making black powder. :-)
It's still a modern revolver, meaning background checks, licensing, registration, none of which is needed in most places with black powder revolvers. But one can convert a C&B to cartridges. It will double the cost of the gun but it can be done and then one has a six shot "modern" revolver no one knows about.
Hi. With the tightening of regulations in France, it appears that the sale of black powder revolvers is increasing. If you know the current situation you will understand why.
When the s**t hits the fan, your target isn't gonna care if you got a semi auto, auto, revolver or cap and ball. The question is do you wanna take a chance with a new gun with less stopping power or an older gun that can totally floor aggressors or wildlife
OOP'S # 10 cap for revolvers sorry my bad Procussion caps Pietta and Uberti revolvers work best with #10's. The rifles 45 cal. on up #11. These tend to be a pain. There is a Has Mat fee to order them online, it's an insane amount. I raid Cabela's and pay cash whatever I can afford that day. In the end your best chance is with the weapon you've had the most time with 3 shot minimum as he said. Personally a .38 or better. Just that one ole reliable is all you need.
I make all my own black powder and caps the powder I make is cleaner than what I can buy I even reload some shotgun shells and 38 ammo with black powder
I'm not sure what your point is, but if you're equating cap and ball revolvers with bb guns, I can't think of anyone sent to the boneyard with a bb gun. Can't say how many millions have been killed with cap and ball, so again, I'm not sure what your point is considering this video is about cap and ball revolvers, not bb guns.
You wouldn't if enough citizens voted those laws down - or voted out the people who legislated them. Fortunately you can still move to another state without permission.
While CP have served well and can be the question rings for me "why" when the possibility of a threat with far more fire power will be encountered than was ever before. Nor a place to play games
Yeah, well I live in Louisiana and carrying a black powder pistol in this weather is just plain dumb. It's not so much the heat, but the 100% humidity that will just cause havoc on black powder, and brother, if you take those pistols you just shot and just put them away without cleaning them, well black powder and it's residue is corrosive and mixed with the heat and humidity, just the formula for disaster. I love my black powder rifles and pistols, but I'll carry modern for self defense.
I live in the deep South where we regularly hit 99 and 100% RH in the summer and cannot agree with your asessment of it's effects on C&B revolvers. Flintlock technology yes, but not percussion caps. Based on my 50 years shooting experience humidity is just not an issue with C&B. Just replace the caps once a week and problem solved!
Well I’ve seen more rusted and destroyed black powder pistols in Louisiana then I have anywhere else in this country. And I’m not about swapping out caps every week. It’s either a waste of caps or you’re discharging each cylinder. Which means you’re cleaning the pistol right after. Again I’ll continue to carry modern firearms as an everyday carry and enjoy my percussion and flintlocks at the range.
I got a cousin who wants to own a gun but since they're disabled, they can't own a gun. With that sad, i want him to own this as a stop gap for when he can own a normal gun
Actually, both can be deadly in the hands of a trained expert. And any hop ki do practitioner can attest to just how effective a stick can be at self defense. Add to that the fact that the vast majority of assaults are with non firearms - mostly knives, and even a sharp stick with a rock attached to one end makes a vastly superior weapon.
Those guns can be effective. Really the only issue is reliability. Modern guns can be unreliable but not because of misfire or cap jams. If a modern gun can be used that's what should be used. Self defense isn't a game anyone wants to lose. I carried BP briefly years ago only until I had the money for a proper firearm.
I've used both BP and conventional for half a century and I don't believe reliability is a real issue wih BP. It's an urban myth like the muzzle loader barrel pipe bomb myth that has been busted a hundred times yet people still insist on believing. I get a jam maybe every few dozen rounds or so... maybe... but no more than I get with my Rugar 345 in .45 acp...
@@timesgonetech3057 I've only got 40 years of trigger time not 50 but in my opinion BP isn't as reliable as the smokeless self contained cartridge. I have BP guns I understand how they work. They do misfire and cap jam. My 45 ACP that I carry has never jammed for any reason. I'm content to agree to disagree with you man.
@@oubliette862 no, you're right, BP is not as reliable as modern cartridges. My point is a growing number of people don't care. With a typical civillian involved self defense shooting being resolved with 1 round and no more than 3, having a misfire every 20 or 30 rounds is just not an issue. You're pointing out something a growing number of people are well aware of and don't care about. Whether you agree or not is your choice.
@@timesgonetech3057 I've always had good reliability with bp. typically the failure points for me are dud caps, then fouling. I do care about practical self defense. a bp gun is better than a sharp stick for sure. realistically, if a modern automatic is available, legally, there's no good reason to carry bp. that wouldn't be tactically prudent. just my opinion, I'm not try'n to argue anything.
@@oubliette862the video isn't about what you should or shouldn't do. I just listed 5 reasons why some people are choosing BP when they can carry conventional. The amazing thing is how many people think I'm trying to talk them into carrying black powder - and how angry some viewers seem to be (not you, others) that I'm not presenting a negative position against BP. A couple I had to block from the channel got downright antagonistic about it! Thanks for watching the video and I'm not trying to argue about it either. Just trying to present a balanced opinion and there is a growing number of people out here in the real world who are choosing BP for every day carry. That's not my fault. :-)
FellonHere …, Uberti 1858 Remington.44cal New Army, Real Fucking Ivory grips. Backup… Hern iron works 2.25 bore/caliber cannonade,naval carriage. Cops call evidence of Brady violation. I’m still madder than hell. It’ll have retribution one day.
Historically, the civil war had the most lethal wounds via cap n ball. And it comes in .44 cal. Want to increase it, hollow based conical rounds. But, ball does the most damage. It's an amputation. No way around it. As for 2 or 3 gut shots, it's game over. Not if, but when. You won't survive it. Those that say different watch too many hollywood movies. Nitrated paper cartridges are your best friend. Tallo will prevent chain firing.. or you can use felt pads between the powder and the round. Plus, with the 1858 Remington version you have a more stable platform and, cylinder changes are quite fast. And then add conversion cylinders with 44 long colt. People are stupid. Great upload. If 6 is not enough, get a LeMat 44. you get 8 rds plus a backup 20 ga under the barrel. Hello? McFly? Is anyone home? Also do not downplay the howdah pistol. And it too can be reloaded with paper cartridges. Mind over matter. Which war in history had the highest single battle casualties? That's right. Antietam. And it was all black powder.
@@colt10mmsecurity68 I was being general in description any modern bullet they are conacal where the majority of black powder ammo is a roundball which doesn't cut but rips
@@donaldballman2825 If it were so good of a “round” (projectile), then the ammo makers would have continued with the design in todays modern defense cartridges. The round ball sucks in performance. Did you know that more civil war soldiers on both sides died from infection than gunshot wounds on the battlefield. That’s because the round ball sucks.
None of my revolvers are adjusted for loading conicals but that's a planned video in the near future. But during the Civil War soldiers repeatedly said conicals penetrate deeper but balls do more damage by punching a large hole. Will make an interesting meat target test! :-)
Anyone who would choose to carry a caplock pistol instead of a modern cartridge pistol for personal protection is unbelievably out of touch with reality. I cannot believe that it has to be said.
Has a lot of men which was killed in the civil war with his little pistols and has been a lot of American Indians killed with them. So I say they'll put you effective
My position isn't the point. I saw a trend and then played a word game asking myself why people might be making that choice, and came up with 7 reasons. As you saw in the video I own both BP and conventional firearms.
I am not sure what has occurred here, as my comment was a response to another commenter that said black powder was lame. I asked the question to her.? @@timesgonetech3057 ... How it got singled out, with your response, is mystifying. And if you don't like people being on your side, so be it.
@@LogisticallyMisrepresented odd. On my side your comment appeared as a stand alone. Let's chalk it up to a software glitch. Thanks for commenting. :-)
The conventional pocket gun is a Taurus .380 semi auto. What you can see me holding and shooting is a Uberti reproduction of a Colt 1850 Pocket Gun in .31 caliber. What you see on my hip - you can just see the grip - is a Pietta repro of a Colt 1851 Navy .44 Belly Gun with a bird's eye grip and a 3" barrel. This is currently my all time FAV BP carry gun.
Black Powder wouldn't be a choice I would make for self defense, but, you do what you do. And the giant smoke cloud might provide cover for a Mall full of people to flee the danger! 😁
Man must choose his own firearm. A cap and ball revolvers are deadly. If a Man chooses one for defense, me must TRAIN,TRAIN. Bill Hitchcock carried two 1851 Navy Colts. Every day he trained in some way. Every Morning he clean and re charger each cylinder with fresh loads. In modern times when a dirt bag attach you or your family there are steps you have to function before you can get a round down range. 1; You have to drew the pistol. 2; You have to cook the pistol. 3; bring the pistol to bear. 4; put a round on target. This can be achieved thru Rigged training. My self I use modern sidearm as do the bad guys.
The national law enforcement data base actually shows most assaults in the US against civillians are not with firearms at all but mostly with knives and even clubs, hammers, and screw drivers. The most popular weapon in England right now is a kitchen knife taped to a stick. In LA the most common street weapon is a pocket knife. Guns are out there but they really aren't a major problem. MOST people who carry guns do so for self defense, not for robbing people. So even with my BP snub nose I'm more heavily armed than most crimminals I'm ever likely to encounter. But I agree completely about practice and I try to get to the range as often as I can.
I enjoy shooting my cap and ball revolver recreationally, but I’d rather use a more reliable, durable and accurate firearm to protect my loved ones and myself. Cap and ball, flintlocks, matchlocks and sharp sticks were and are effective weapons, but why would someone choose one of them if they had access to a better tool? I guess if someone wants to carry a cap and ball revolver for the novelty of it, whatever blows their hair back. I’
The effectiveness of the projectile, is not the issue. The issue is the lack of reliability of the components. Percussion caps are not as reliable as modern centerfire primers. When I shot black powder a lot, several years ago, I had numerous dud caps, and numerous jams when the spent cap fell down into the action causing a jam. Black powder is very hydroscopic, meaning it will absorb moisture, so that is a problem in high humidity areas. In an enclosed area, if you fire multiple times at a target, there will be so much smoke, you will have no idea if you hit the target, you can't see the target, so you don't know if there is still an imminent threat. And forget about reloading, if the attacker wants to extend the encounter. All in all, this type of weapon is a bad choice for self defense.
First rule, only shoot what you can see. If you cant see the bad guy he cant see you and you got time to escape. I had lots of cap jams when i bought my first black powder revolver, but since i learned how to fix my guns (Colts) i have not had a single cap jam. That is for more then 25 years. My other black powder revolver, Roger & Spencer, has never failed on me.
"All in all, this type of weapon is a bad choice for self defense." A wet spaghetti noodle is a bad choice for self defense, because it cannot accomplish this task. Other options are better choices, but the validity of choices exists on a continuum and not just as either "good" or "bad". 9mm is a better choice than .22LR, but that doesn't make .22LR automatically bad. More importantly, this validity is not a universal measure, but one based on context and circumstances. 9mm may be better than .22LR, but if for whatever reason 9mm is not an option (such as not being able to handle 9mm), then it isn't even a choice to begin with and .22LR is a better choice than a sharp stick. Black powder is certainly not ideal, but if pressed, it can accomplish the task. The whole point of this video is to explain why someone might choose it. The great thing about freedom is that people are free to make decisions that work best for them, even if it isn't the choice we'd make ourselves.
Yeah... I forgot to open the gate. The fence is chain link so no real harm done. The holes let air through the privacy screen. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :-)
Black power in a cartridge, I guess. But cap and ball for a carry gun? Seriously, which century we live in today? Yes, people argue it will kill. So will bow and arrow, or a spear, or a stone... If one is not bound by law to rely only on that type of firearm, like the guy in the comments below, I would never use cap and ball for something else that a range toy. Not even for hunting, although people do it. I can see a use case for home protection, should you are restricted from owning a better gun, but not for carry. At least not in the past 100 years or so.
I'm guessing you've never owned a Cap And Ball revolver, but are just repeating what you've been told about them, probably by people who also never owned one. Define "better". What's "better" about conventional hand guns over C&B other than speed of reloading which the empirical data shows is not an issue? And before you answer understand I will expect test data and/or studies to support your position.
Your military attacking target that runs away after being struck by bullets is not a great example as you explain it. To a soldier desiring to survive a modern battlefield, if your wounded enemy escapes after you halt his attack is a win for the shooter. The threat is effectively neutralized if your target's offensive evolution remains at ceased.
That may be a valid point in today's environment but in the old school military the objective was to win the battle by killing or incapacitating the enemy forces so badly they could no longer resist. In that world a wounded soldier could retreat but still stop and return fire in a newly formed defensive line so I would still have to go after him and fight him again. In today's military winning the battle (or the war) is secondary to returning to base for dinner while staying properly hydrated so, yeah, it's a valid point....
If you keep using common sense, SIR!, instead of mindlessly parroting 'experts', they are gonna call you names. ...seriously, I get it; I'm getting older too.
I think we should have time limits. After X number of years (maybe 10?) with no additional convictions full rights to vote and buy guns should automatically be restored. I never understood the lifetime prohibition.
I get so tired of gun content creators feeling like they have to kiss the ass of the viewing audience by showing the damn firearms are cleared and safe. If the creator knows they are, then why the HELL do you think you need to prove to the viewers that they are. Who says that they need to see it clear?
It's not so much proving to the viewers it's safe as it is showing the viewers how we the presenters know for a fact it's safe. I saw a video a couple years ago where an ATF agent shot himself in the hand with his own "unloaded" handgun while teaching a class on gun safety. Maybe switch to decaf...
Well said!! Percussion guns have put plenty of people down no problem long before any semi-auto was invented.
@@yangearthratlarry Not nearly what you think
And single shot muzzle loaders did so even further back in history. Still not a reason I’d ever opt to carry one today.
I truly love that there is a subculture in Poland (and other countries) that pack C&B revolvers, functionally badass.
It is because BP revolvers and BP rifles don't need special permissions like a modern guns (for most of central-east europe)
@@ArgoPower It is the same in the states, you don't have to be 21 to own a BP pistol.
@@ATruckCampbell In Poland its practically impossible (for normal civilian) to get firearm permission for self defense. People had to join club, pass tests and exams and get police dept agreement to get "sport license", and then they are obligated to attend competitions, not to loose it. And youre in police files forever as a gun owner. BP firearm, I'm sorry: historical replica, you can buy on internet (18+).
I am a currently "prohibited person" , had a drug problem and landed in an NC prison for 3 years. Got out in '20 and took care of post release and probation and turned my life back straight. I'll be petitioning the court to restore my firearm rights soon. In the meantime I moved to SC and bought a Colt 3rd gen 1860 Army to carry about. Its too big to fit in my pocket but i have a holster if I choose or I appendix carry it. I've become very proficient with it and it's absolutely deadly with .454 roundballs and 32 grains of 777. Chronographs at 1180 feet at 15 feet from muzzle. Not for a second do I feel undergunned or outclassed by any modern firearm. A man's gotta know his limitations. I know mine and if you practice enough with your chosen arm, you won't be caught lackin' as they say. Take care.
I’m prohibited and live in Florida. Can I own & carry a black powder pistol?
@RebelSlyder Do not take my word for it, and do your own research because I do not live in Florida but most southern states (Georgia excluded I'm told) don't prohibit felons from owning and OPEN carrying a blackpowder pistol on their person. Always do your own research and do not rely on anyone's opinion or advice that does not live in the state that you do. A RUclips comments section is definitely not the place to obtain legal advice on those matters which could result in serious prison time if you don't do your own due diligence and I'd hate to see anyone get into trouble going on my word for anything like that. Take care.
I hate it that you can't have a firearm but somebody who is arrested And released for assault, a violent crime, misdemeanor, can have a gun after 7 years, if I'm not mistaken. It's bullshit. I met some people who were caught with weed with a gun, never put up a fight, told the officer, "yes, I have a gun and weed" and fully surrendered without putting up a fight and did their time
@28ebdh3udnav Thanks, it does make life a bit inconvenient, but it's temporary, and I'll have my rights restored in the future ( low-grade felonies are easier) It's sort of a silver lining because I'd have probably continued to disregard cap-and-ball sixguns if I still had my modern firearms and instead I've found them to be excellent weapons that require patience and practice to master but now I'm not sure I'll ever go back to carrying a modern semi-auto on a regular basis ( circumstances not withstanding) I have gotten familiar with the old Colt and it's comfortable, effective and pretty so it'll remain my EDC long after I have my rights restored. Modern guns have their advantages and their place but day to day I'll carry what I've become accustomed to here lately. Laws change all the time anyway.
I have the same model except it’s a belly gun version. Pietta makes a 1860 army with a 3 inch barrel. I carry it as my edc since I’m in the same boat as you(convicted felon). You should think about getting the 3 inch, it’s much more comfortable to carry around and still packs a hell of a punch
A 36 cal Pocket Police is still a great carry arm. With 777 powder I can get the same ballistics as 380 Auto. I gave it a piano wire trigger bolt spring and slix shot nipples and it's been very reliable and totally off the books. I also like the fact that I can make caps, powder and balls to keep in running way into the end times.
The .36 is a good conceal carry size and good stopping power. Good ballistics too - very flat trajectory. Too many people underestimate them.
Wow! - that’s identical to my setup, accept my trigger bolt spring is made from a safety pin. I’ve carried mine now for nearly 3 years even though I have a carry permit and have several other modern “tools” that I could carry. With proper loads, caps, bullets, a good tune up and polish job it is absolutely as reliable as a modern firearm. The only drawback is the limited capacity and SLOW reloading even with paper cartridges I can only get my speed down to around 45 seconds and that’s with no pressure or someone shooting at me!
One scenario you didn't cover is civil unrest. The guys at work made fun of me for collecting BP revovers. But what they didn't consider is it only takes one good shot from a BP gun to get something better.
Good point!
Yes!
With a rock, I can get a knife. With a knife, I can get a pistol. With a pistol, I can get a rifle.
I carry my 1860 Snub nose all the time. It has had an action job, cap post installed, and stainless nipples. It also is loaded with a Kaido 240 grain conical and 30 grains of powder.
Who did the action job etc? Goon guns? I'm considering a similar setup, just sold my full size 1860 Army, no use for 8" barrel revolver
@@eaSTS9 Yeah, Goons gun works. He does a phenominal job, but be prepared to wait. Mine took about 6 months, which infuriated me when I was told it would only be about 3 weeks. He did wind up making it more than fair though. Mike truly is a great guy though, I just think he takes on more than he can handle sometimes.
Have you ever, after carrying it for a while, noticed that any of your caps have fallen off?
3" barrel will give at most 550 fps with a 143 gr round ball. I don't want to think with a 240 gr bullet.
Do yourself a favor and
1) load your snub with round ball on top of 30 gr Swiss 1: 830 fps
OR
2) swap in your 1860 snub a more efficient and effective cylinder cartridge conversion, either BP 45 Long Colt or 45 ACP.
@@antoninogerbino4074 I have a conversion cylinder on back order with Taylors. They say they are working with Howells and Pietta to get the conversion cylinders back up and running.
I agree and I am NOT a 'prohibited person'.
I live in South Carolina and go to see my family once or twice a year in NY. NY doesn't recognize SC pistol permits, so I carry a .44 Cattlemen black powder revolver with me when I do go
I'm surprised that's not illegal in NY.
@timesgonetech3057 black powder is still considered as a primitive weapon in NY, so it's allowed
That's coool.!
Better talk to a NY gun attorney. When I was in NY, owning my Brown Bess musket, it was not a firearm, until it was loaded...then it magically became one.
@@SteveAubrey1762under federal law if I’m not mistaken. A firearm that was made before 1899 or a replica it is considered antique and doesn’t follow the same laws as modern firearms
Excellent video. I agree that malfunctions of percussion revolvers are highly exaggerated. Plus usually malfunctioning in cap and ball revolvers are operator caused. If good components are used and good loading procedures are followed there will be very low chance of malfunctioning. You made some very good points. I don’t edc a percussion revolver but wouldn’t feel under gunned with one either. As always I enjoy your content.
Black power hand guns were a viable thing at one time. You can even carry multiple cylinders too as was done. A couple of extra cylinders would do the trick.
My problem with this is I have been unable to find a single reputable account of anyone actually carrying a spare cylinder. Easier to just carry a back up gun. I think this is a modern myth. A Jose Wales with 3 guns could fire 18 rounds a heck of a lot faster than anyone with 1 gun and 3 cylinders. I don't believe people did carry extra cylinders and if anyone did they weren't very smart since an 1860 Army cost less than 30 dollars in today's money or about 3 bucks back then.
I can swap the cylinder in an 1858 remington in 6 seconds. That's not as fast as a modern glock but it's not bad.
No, it's not bad - it's actually pretty good - but I can draw my second revolver and be shooting in 2 seconds or less, and I can carry 4, 2 Armies, a Navy, and a Pocket Gun. I dare say your 6 seconds is faster than a cartridge gun of the period can be reloaded. Each shell has to be pushed out one at a time, then reloaded one at a time. Twelve seconds? If people actually changed cylinders out because it's faster then they'd still be doing it when the first cartridge guns came out and yet I'm unaware of a single written account at the time of anyone actually changing cylinders out during a gun fight under fire. The fact is people who wanted maximum firepower in combat carried multiple guns, not one gun and multiple cylinders.
@@timesgonetech3057 Please let me know where you can buy a 1860 army for 30 dollars I will buy all of them
@@texascelt8363 Not a "where" but a "when". In 1865 you could buy one for the same money then as 30 dollars today, or about 2 bucks then. So get the way back machine out, Sherman!
I am somewhat of a rare animal - an English guy living in France, with a colection of Black Powder guns. They are currently unrestricted in France, and I have 4 long guns (each capable of hitting a man size target at 300 yds) and two revolvers. My well maintained Remington 1858 pattern revolver .44 fires every time, and I feel it is perfectly adequate for protectng me and mine if the situation arises. I can reload in less than 20 seconds with my spare cylinder.
Anybody knows that extra holes in our body is no bueno and it generally hurts when it happens. How it gets there is irrelevant.
I recently purchased a black powder pistol and thought this video was more negative content but was surprised to find, it's what I've been thinking all along. . Awesome. Thanks
I agree. I can buy modern firearms without issue but my black powder arms are mine and no one else’s business. I’m one who just wants to be left alone.
Yup!
I live in a state that doesn’t require ANY firearm to be registered and we are also constitutional carry as well.
I buy most of my conventional firearms used from individuals so fortunately they are ALSO “mine and no one else’s business”.
Good video. I liked it. Hopefully, come next spring, I will be making a double shoulder holster for EDC. Most folks back then carried two back then, so why not us?
I will keep in touch for springtime.
Doc
Just having a gun will most Likely save you. Most attacker will run when they see you have a gun. No one want to be shot!
Point # 2 :I've had Factor Loads Miss Fire on a few Occasions and Factory rounds that would not Chamber , The other day I had a .2L.R. Casing Burst at the Rim. Factory loads are usually Pretty Good but not Perfect.
Good vid myself have to Navy 51's 36 cal kept them loaded almost 2 yrs took them out fired no mis fires no problem and most importantly no harm to inside of cylinder cleaned and loaded again love these things
When ammunition is unavailable and you have the ability to make your own…
Black powder is easy to make but idk about caps/primers
2:25 "should I carry a BP or modern gun" its like "should I carry smartphone or old-fasioned button-mobile" - when it comes to phonecalls both will do the work :) And I own old Nokia.
Except with the smart phone you have to pass an FBI background check, it's becoming illegal in a growing number of states, and you have to pay a special tax on every minute you use it and you have to sign for every minute - and some people want you to have to pass a mental competency test before you can call anyone.
I agree. I've been shooting them for around 40 years. I've never seen nor experienced a chain fire.
I've always used Remmies, or the Old Army.
I know that Colt replicas have different issues than mine. But failure to fire isn't a problem with my own stuff .
Remmies don't like to be shot all day without being periodically cleaned. But carry is unaffected.
But normally I just carry a revolving.22. all for the same reason.
The only problem right now is finding percussion caps.
That's why I started making my own. I have a supply of commercial caps stashed back but am saving them for now. I also make my own powder that tested out equal to or better than Goex, and cast my own projectiles from scrap lead.
Just in case someone is wondering. I purposely left my 1858 new model army fully loaded for one entire year then shot it to see if it hurts the gun or if it would fire. It DID fire albeit it didn’t feel like the loads were as powerful and more importantly after I cleaned it, she still looks like new. Than you for your videos.
Agreed......one of the reasons I mostly own 45 Colt and 45-70....plus a few years back I bought a few cases of primers....so, here I am looking at that dead willow in my yard as potential charcoal...
Reason 8 would be for people who have lost their ability to have a firearm due to criminal conviction. I have a friend who in his youth more than 35 years ago committed a non-violent crime and spent roughly two years in prison for it. He used to use black powder for hunting and personal protection because that was the only thing he was allowed to have legally after he got out. He uses regular firearms now that he petitioned the court and got his gun rights back but for a lot of years he used black powder.
That is another reason outside of the purposes of this video.
Watched this after paul harrels personal defense cap and ball video, great presentation, love the paul references and meat targets 🇺🇸👍👍 RIP paul, thank you for giving credit to him and making similarly informative and entertaining firearm content 🇺🇸👍👍
Than you for watching my video!
Back in the day people carried revolvers for similar reasons as people do today. The main difference might be recharging; faster today, they just had a second "pistol" usually. What i find extremely interesting in this otherwise gimmicky theory is the legality of a cap-and-ball being "not a gun".
By federal law cap and ball is an antique muzzle loader, not a firearm. Only anything that uses self contained metallic cartridges is a firearm. But they're all 'guns' and C&B is still a deadly weapon and subject to CCW laws and anywhere a firearm is prohibited so are C&B. And if a C&B revolver is converted to fire black powder metal cartridges then it becomes a firearm.
The only real advantage where I live is I can order one over the internet with no paperwork, forms, or background check and have it delivered to my front door.
You make some interesting and compelling points, sir! This goes along with some conversations friends and I have had about "off-the-books" and virtually untraceable weapons. Good quality BP revolvers (that "good quality" bit being very important) can be quite reliable. Most problems I've seen were user-induced, not because of an inherent problem with the gun. I'll be very interested in seeing your information on making black powder.
I agree 100 percent! They are reliable and will get the job done. Will be looking forward for your video on making BP, thanks, great video!
The BP making series is done and in the can. :-)
Always check your state laws. Yes, you can have them delivered to your door without a background check, but carrying it outside the home can be an entirely different matter. In Michigan, a black powder revolver that is carried in public is still considered a "firearm", so prohibited persons cannot carry one. Moreover, I have a concealed permit, and if I were to carry one concealed I would then need to register it with my local sheriff since Michigan still has a pistol registry.
Absolutely! ALWAYS check the laws in your jurisdiction. Never a bad practice. And if you don't like the laws where you live there's a process known as 'voting' to get those laws changed, or move... :-)
Also, black powder makes a nice smokescreen to help you escape!
This video popped up because I am a black powder enthusiast. Several good points were made but under reliability two important weaknesses in modern black powder pistols (Ruger Old Army excluded) are the bolt spring and the hand spring. I own a revolver and twice the bolt spring has broken. There are fixes for this but they require someone with the ability to drill holes and make springs. The fixes, if done by a gunsmith can bump up the price of your pistol into the range of modern guns. It's your choice but go in with your eyes and ears open.
I've had a spring break on a Taurus .380 less than 6 months old. And made BP springs from piano wire. And I keep olenty of spare parts on hand for all my firearms.6 S#$t happens. Be prepared.
I have both a .36 cal 1851 colt navy and a percussion cap and ball muzzleloader enfield.
Yep, makes a lot of sense. When it’s loaded it’s just another revolver, six shots to get you out of trouble. If you need more than that you’re probably dealing with more than one bad guy and that’s a whole other situation.
The loose cap misfire can be corrected by a minor hammer spring adj. Yes, it does make it a bit rough on the thumb. Another important thing, when you are staring down the wrong end of a revolver you can clearly see that it's loaded. Not possible with an automatic pistol. That Bud is for U! I've had a pair of 1858 New Army Remington's for OMG 9+ years now. Still love them. I'd need serious shoulder holsters to conceal carry these full-sized hand cannons. Yes, I can shoot with both hands. ammo truly is way cheaper which in turn allows for more time at the range, never a bad thing. I like to fire at about 50 meters at the range. but again, I've had them a long time. for those who worry about accuracy. In truth it depends on you being consistent. I load 30 gr. of triple 7 Hornady .454 round ball # 11 Remington cap. But that is just me, the wife does better with 24 gr. of triple 7. when you find a sweet spot. stick with it, you can adj accordingly from there.
Got the same gun used the very same exact round, powder and caps. But I was losing 1 or 2 caps almost everytime I shot. And I done everything to keep them in place. I have a friend who does civil war reenactment battles after talking to him that others were talking about that, he said try a number 10 cap I did and they work. Been threw 20 tins of them and haven't had one pop off
A lot of Gun owners who have modern firearms, some of them into competitive shooting have a couple of CB guns as an insurance policy against gov firearm confiscation, One of the reasons Remington 1858 army revolvers are more popular now then they were originally are easy reloading and cartridge conversion. THINK ABOUT IT!
They did the job when they were State of The Art so why not now. Newer designs have many advantages especially against multiple Assailants but it all comes down to the Old Adage "Run What You Brung" .The Gun you have at home in the Safe isn't going to help you but the one you're carrying might save your life. If you went to the Range to shoot your Cap & Ball and the Bad Guys show up before you get home they Are Not going to wait for you to go Home .
After the unfortunate and untimely passing of Mr Harrell I am relieved to find a channel the offers a similar style of informative videos
Paul was one of those who inspired me to start my channel. He will be missed by more than he thought...
Of course there is always the BP cartridge revolver. 😊
Without watching the vid: 1) each shot creates a smoke screen so you can beat feet 2) the assailant, upon seeing your cap and ball revolver believes that you are bat shit crazy and flees in confusion 3) you want to be able to tell a really interesting story about your self defense shooting 4) the bad guy might be a Outlaw Josey Wales fan and decide to call off the attack in new found brotherhood with you 5) you like a challenge 6) chicks dig cowboys and finally 7) you prefer to fight in a bug free environment and smoke clears the immediate vicinity of all flying insects.
Maybe watch the vid...
@@timesgonetech3057 I did and you made good points / I just tend to see the humorous side of things.
For the power players, a walker dragoon has the same ft lbs of energy as modern 9mm cartridges.
Ah, and so does an 1860 Army with an 8" barrel loaded with 40 grains of triple 7 and a conical bullet. 😀
Great video, all points I agree on. Black powder from the past....will last 😉
Couple things here. A self defense shooting can happen at any distance. As a self defense shooting can happen as close as the thickness of a car door, the width of a coffee table like my first self defense shooting, or about 100 yards. If black powder revolvers was as unreliable as people think they are, I would never have carried one as my service revolver back in the 1990’s while working as a Pinkerton agent within the banking system. And honestly the only problem with black powder revolvers, is that people stupidly think they are not real gun’s which is the biggest mistake anyone can make. As they very much are real gun’s that are just as capable of killing as that Colt Desert Eagle everyone wants.
How many documented self defense shootings have happened at 100 yards? At that distance it would be pretty hard to argue self defense in court unless the front hallway of your mansion was 100 yards long.
I have an 1860 Army, 5-shot, Krist Converter, 45 Colt, 3” snubby … my EDC!
Not sure if you've mentioned it on here yet, but I keep my cap n ball loaded with the hammer resting on an empty chamber EVEN though the modern replicas have grooves or spurs in between one or all of the chambers for loading all the cylinders, I'm safety minded and alway leave an empty chamber.
I carry fully loaded and hammer between chambers. And I'm not one bit worried about unintentional discharge. But if you feel safer on an empty chamber then go for it.
I'm safety conscious as well I carry six and rest the hammer in between those caps. But to each there own and in the name of safety what ever works is right
I carry a g2c and sometimes I would like to carry a smaller BP revolver don’t have the money atm to buy a smaller one I got a 1860 army .44 and with a 45LC cylinder for it and a 1847 walker too big lol
Great thing is that once you fire, you can escape in the cloud of smoke.
Revolvers don't actually produce enough smoke for that - but my Lyman Plains rifle does! I've been deer hunting and literally had to step to the side just to verify I missed...
I hear ya, but good news folks, vids abound on pinterest on making black powder. Plus in many many places, black powder guns don't need to be licenced or registered.
Vids abound on you tube for free too. I even made a play list demonstrating two methods and you don't have to pay anyone to watch them. "Everything Black Powder" is a channel dedicated to making black powder. :-)
How about using black powder shells with modern revolvers.
It's still a modern revolver, meaning background checks, licensing, registration, none of which is needed in most places with black powder revolvers. But one can convert a C&B to cartridges. It will double the cost of the gun but it can be done and then one has a six shot "modern" revolver no one knows about.
All true.@@timesgonetech3057
100% thumbs up!
I like your content. Keep it up.
Hi. With the tightening of regulations in France, it appears that the sale of black powder revolvers is increasing. If you know the current situation you will understand why.
I do indeed. It is rapidly becoming the same here. Thanks for watching my channel! :-)
When the s**t hits the fan, your target isn't gonna care if you got a semi auto, auto, revolver or cap and ball. The question is do you wanna take a chance with a new gun with less stopping power or an older gun that can totally floor aggressors or wildlife
The gun in your pocket beats the gun 🔫 at home ,,,facts,,
OOP'S # 10 cap for revolvers sorry my bad Procussion caps Pietta and Uberti revolvers work best with #10's. The rifles 45 cal. on up #11. These tend to be a pain. There is a Has Mat fee to order them online, it's an insane amount. I raid Cabela's and pay cash whatever I can afford that day. In the end your best chance is with the weapon you've had the most time with 3 shot minimum as he said. Personally a .38 or better. Just that one ole reliable is all you need.
I make all my own black powder and caps the powder I make is cleaner than what I can buy I even reload some shotgun shells and 38 ammo with black powder
Some people use BB guns and air soft guns for self defense. Usually doesn’t work out well. To each their own 😁
Those aren’t considered deadly weapons. A black powder has put down thousands maybe millions of people.
I'm not sure what your point is, but if you're equating cap and ball revolvers with bb guns, I can't think of anyone sent to the boneyard with a bb gun. Can't say how many millions have been killed with cap and ball, so again, I'm not sure what your point is considering this video is about cap and ball revolvers, not bb guns.
You can choose what ever you want to for self defense
Not in NYS, you need a license now for BP Firearms
You wouldn't if enough citizens voted those laws down - or voted out the people who legislated them. Fortunately you can still move to another state without permission.
I just bought one!
While CP have served well and can be the question rings for me "why" when the possibility of a threat with far more fire power will be encountered than was ever before. Nor a place to play games
Odd question since the entire video was precisely about 'why', including the issue of firepower.
Yeah, well I live in Louisiana and carrying a black powder pistol in this weather is just plain dumb. It's not so much the heat, but the 100% humidity that will just cause havoc on black powder, and brother, if you take those pistols you just shot and just put them away without cleaning them, well black powder and it's residue is corrosive and mixed with the heat and humidity, just the formula for disaster. I love my black powder rifles and pistols, but I'll carry modern for self defense.
I live in the deep South where we regularly hit 99 and 100% RH in the summer and cannot agree with your asessment of it's effects on C&B revolvers. Flintlock technology yes, but not percussion caps. Based on my 50 years shooting experience humidity is just not an issue with C&B. Just replace the caps once a week and problem solved!
Well I’ve seen more rusted and destroyed black powder pistols in Louisiana then I have anywhere else in this country. And I’m not about swapping out caps every week. It’s either a waste of caps or you’re discharging each cylinder. Which means you’re cleaning the pistol right after. Again I’ll continue to carry modern firearms as an everyday carry and enjoy my percussion and flintlocks at the range.
Personal comment - Black Powder is easily cleaned with … the universal solvent … WATER!
I got a cousin who wants to own a gun but since they're disabled, they can't own a gun. With that sad, i want him to own this as a stop gap for when he can own a normal gun
When was that law passed that disabled people can't own a gun?
How about a sharp stick or better yet....a Big Rock!
Actually, both can be deadly in the hands of a trained expert. And any hop ki do practitioner can attest to just how effective a stick can be at self defense. Add to that the fact that the vast majority of assaults are with non firearms - mostly knives, and even a sharp stick with a rock attached to one end makes a vastly superior weapon.
Those guns can be effective. Really the only issue is reliability. Modern guns can be unreliable but not because of misfire or cap jams. If a modern gun can be used that's what should be used. Self defense isn't a game anyone wants to lose. I carried BP briefly years ago only until I had the money for a proper firearm.
I've used both BP and conventional for half a century and I don't believe reliability is a real issue wih BP. It's an urban myth like the muzzle loader barrel pipe bomb myth that has been busted a hundred times yet people still insist on believing. I get a jam maybe every few dozen rounds or so... maybe... but no more than I get with my Rugar 345 in .45 acp...
@@timesgonetech3057 I've only got 40 years of trigger time not 50 but in my opinion BP isn't as reliable as the smokeless self contained cartridge. I have BP guns I understand how they work. They do misfire and cap jam. My 45 ACP that I carry has never jammed for any reason. I'm content to agree to disagree with you man.
@@oubliette862 no, you're right, BP is not as reliable as modern cartridges. My point is a growing number of people don't care. With a typical civillian involved self defense shooting being resolved with 1 round and no more than 3, having a misfire every 20 or 30 rounds is just not an issue. You're pointing out something a growing number of people are well aware of and don't care about. Whether you agree or not is your choice.
@@timesgonetech3057 I've always had good reliability with bp. typically the failure points for me are dud caps, then fouling. I do care about practical self defense. a bp gun is better than a sharp stick for sure. realistically, if a modern automatic is available, legally, there's no good reason to carry bp. that wouldn't be tactically prudent. just my opinion, I'm not try'n to argue anything.
@@oubliette862the video isn't about what you should or shouldn't do. I just listed 5 reasons why some people are choosing BP when they can carry conventional. The amazing thing is how many people think I'm trying to talk them into carrying black powder - and how angry some viewers seem to be (not you, others) that I'm not presenting a negative position against BP. A couple I had to block from the channel got downright antagonistic about it! Thanks for watching the video and I'm not trying to argue about it either. Just trying to present a balanced opinion and there is a growing number of people out here in the real world who are choosing BP for every day carry. That's not my fault. :-)
FellonHere …, Uberti 1858 Remington.44cal New Army, Real Fucking Ivory grips. Backup… Hern iron works 2.25 bore/caliber cannonade,naval carriage.
Cops call evidence of Brady violation. I’m still madder than hell. It’ll have retribution one day.
Government should have a cykeatric testing before going into office.we would have better gun Rights
Historically, the civil war had the most lethal wounds via cap n ball. And it comes in .44 cal. Want to increase it, hollow based conical rounds. But, ball does the most damage. It's an amputation. No way around it. As for 2 or 3 gut shots, it's game over. Not if, but when. You won't survive it. Those that say different watch too many hollywood movies. Nitrated paper cartridges are your best friend. Tallo will prevent chain firing.. or you can use felt pads between the powder and the round. Plus, with the 1858 Remington version you have a more stable platform and, cylinder changes are quite fast. And then add conversion cylinders with 44 long colt. People are stupid. Great upload. If 6 is not enough, get a LeMat 44. you get 8 rds plus a backup 20 ga under the barrel. Hello? McFly? Is anyone home? Also do not downplay the howdah pistol. And it too can be reloaded with paper cartridges. Mind over matter. Which war in history had the highest single battle casualties? That's right. Antietam. And it was all black powder.
Great comment! Thanks for sharing!
I think the reason why they're doing that is because we dont want to go through a background check. We hate that.
I've never heard of a single crime ever stopped or prevented by a background check. Or by any gun control law for that matter...
How about the damage the round ball does over a regular bullet
What’s a “regular bullet” mean? A Federal HST or Winchester Ranger T hollow point is far SUPERIOR than a round ball.
@@colt10mmsecurity68 I was being general in description any modern bullet they are conacal where the majority of black powder ammo is a roundball which doesn't cut but rips
@@donaldballman2825 If it were so good of a “round” (projectile), then the ammo makers would have continued with the design in todays modern defense cartridges. The round ball sucks in performance. Did you know that more civil war soldiers on both sides died from infection than gunshot wounds on the battlefield. That’s because the round ball sucks.
@@colt10mmsecurity68 yes I know I didn't say it was a better round and the damage that happened in the civil war is the point I was making
None of my revolvers are adjusted for loading conicals but that's a planned video in the near future. But during the Civil War soldiers repeatedly said conicals penetrate deeper but balls do more damage by punching a large hole. Will make an interesting meat target test! :-)
Anyone who would choose to carry a caplock pistol instead of a modern cartridge pistol for personal protection is unbelievably out of touch with reality. I cannot believe that it has to be said.
I agree as far as a caplock is concerned. I'm referring to a cap and ball revolver. No they are not the same and yes the difference is important.
The only problem with BP revolver in my state is they no't allow lead we can't use for hunting , but I love black powder revolver and rifles
Have you checked that maybe antique muzzleloaders are exempt?
Has a lot of men which was killed in the civil war with his little pistols and has been a lot of American Indians killed with them. So I say they'll put you effective
Which part of the video supports your position.?
My position isn't the point. I saw a trend and then played a word game asking myself why people might be making that choice, and came up with 7 reasons. As you saw in the video I own both BP and conventional firearms.
I am not sure what has occurred here, as my comment was a response to another commenter that said black powder was lame. I asked the question to her.? @@timesgonetech3057 ... How it got singled out, with your response, is mystifying. And if you don't like people being on your side, so be it.
@@LogisticallyMisrepresented odd. On my side your comment appeared as a stand alone. Let's chalk it up to a software glitch. Thanks for commenting. :-)
The u toob has had some of those glitchy thangz in the past, so your chalk knows what's goin on @@timesgonetech3057. I liked your vid. Do more 😸
What is the model the guy has in this video?
The conventional pocket gun is a Taurus .380 semi auto. What you can see me holding and shooting is a Uberti reproduction of a Colt 1850 Pocket Gun in .31 caliber. What you see on my hip - you can just see the grip - is a Pietta repro of a Colt 1851 Navy .44 Belly Gun with a bird's eye grip and a 3" barrel. This is currently my all time FAV BP carry gun.
@@timesgonetech3057 thank you!
Black Powder wouldn't be a choice I would make for self defense, but, you do what you do. And the giant smoke cloud might provide cover for a Mall full of people to flee the danger! 😁
One way of looking at it is any gun's better than no gun at all. It
Man must choose his own firearm. A cap and ball revolvers are deadly. If a Man chooses one for defense, me must TRAIN,TRAIN. Bill Hitchcock carried two 1851 Navy Colts. Every day he trained in some way. Every Morning he clean and re charger each cylinder with fresh loads. In modern times when a dirt bag attach you or your family there are steps you have to function before you can get a round down range.
1; You have to drew the pistol.
2; You have to cook the pistol.
3; bring the pistol to bear.
4; put a round on target.
This can be achieved thru Rigged training.
My self I use modern sidearm as do the bad guys.
The national law enforcement data base actually shows most assaults in the US against civillians are not with firearms at all but mostly with knives and even clubs, hammers, and screw drivers. The most popular weapon in England right now is a kitchen knife taped to a stick. In LA the most common street weapon is a pocket knife. Guns are out there but they really aren't a major problem. MOST people who carry guns do so for self defense, not for robbing people. So even with my BP snub nose I'm more heavily armed than most crimminals I'm ever likely to encounter. But I agree completely about practice and I try to get to the range as often as I can.
I enjoy shooting my cap and ball revolver recreationally, but I’d rather use a more reliable, durable and accurate firearm to protect my loved ones and myself. Cap and ball, flintlocks, matchlocks and sharp sticks were and are effective weapons, but why would someone choose one of them if they had access to a better tool?
I guess if someone wants to carry a cap and ball revolver for the novelty of it, whatever blows their hair back. I’
I went over some of the "whys" in the video. :-)
The soft lead is very destructive.
Bow and arrows aren’t used for self defense and it’s due to advancements in technology. Why use an oar when you can use a motor?
And yet a lot of people still prefer paddling a canoe over riding in a motor boat.
A felon can still be a civilian???? No way
The effectiveness of the projectile, is not the issue. The issue is the lack of reliability of the components. Percussion caps are not as reliable as modern centerfire primers. When I shot black powder a lot, several years ago, I had numerous dud caps, and numerous jams when the spent cap fell down into the action causing a jam. Black powder is very hydroscopic, meaning it will absorb moisture, so that is a problem in high humidity areas. In an enclosed area, if you fire multiple times at a target, there will be so much smoke, you will have no idea if you hit the target, you can't see the target, so you don't know if there is still an imminent threat. And forget about reloading, if the attacker wants to extend the encounter. All in all, this type of weapon is a bad choice for self defense.
First rule, only shoot what you can see. If you cant see the bad guy he cant see you and you got time to escape.
I had lots of cap jams when i bought my first black powder revolver, but since i learned how to fix my guns (Colts) i have not had a single cap jam. That is for more then 25 years. My other black powder revolver, Roger & Spencer, has never failed on me.
@@guardsmanom134 Exactly so!
"All in all, this type of weapon is a bad choice for self defense."
A wet spaghetti noodle is a bad choice for self defense, because it cannot accomplish this task.
Other options are better choices, but the validity of choices exists on a continuum and not just as either "good" or "bad". 9mm is a better choice than .22LR, but that doesn't make .22LR automatically bad.
More importantly, this validity is not a universal measure, but one based on context and circumstances. 9mm may be better than .22LR, but if for whatever reason 9mm is not an option (such as not being able to handle 9mm), then it isn't even a choice to begin with and .22LR is a better choice than a sharp stick.
Black powder is certainly not ideal, but if pressed, it can accomplish the task. The whole point of this video is to explain why someone might choose it. The great thing about freedom is that people are free to make decisions that work best for them, even if it isn't the choice we'd make ourselves.
Cool defensive smokescreen the can't see you.
Your shots are going through the fence behind the target just FYI
Yeah... I forgot to open the gate. The fence is chain link so no real harm done. The holes let air through the privacy screen. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :-)
I love it !!!!
Have a good one sir !!🎉
Prefer blk powder regolver
Revolver sorry I have 3 and 1 is a 9 shot revolver with a 12g shot gun barrel
Black power in a cartridge, I guess. But cap and ball for a carry gun? Seriously, which century we live in today? Yes, people argue it will kill. So will bow and arrow, or a spear, or a stone... If one is not bound by law to rely only on that type of firearm, like the guy in the comments below, I would never use cap and ball for something else that a range toy. Not even for hunting, although people do it. I can see a use case for home protection, should you are restricted from owning a better gun, but not for carry. At least not in the past 100 years or so.
I'm guessing you've never owned a Cap And Ball revolver, but are just repeating what you've been told about them, probably by people who also never owned one. Define "better". What's "better" about conventional hand guns over C&B other than speed of reloading which the empirical data shows is not an issue? And before you answer understand I will expect test data and/or studies to support your position.
Your military attacking target that runs away after being struck by bullets is not a great example as you explain it. To a soldier desiring to survive a modern battlefield, if your wounded enemy escapes after you halt his attack is a win for the shooter. The threat is effectively neutralized if your target's offensive evolution remains at ceased.
That may be a valid point in today's environment but in the old school military the objective was to win the battle by killing or incapacitating the enemy forces so badly they could no longer resist. In that world a wounded soldier could retreat but still stop and return fire in a newly formed defensive line so I would still have to go after him and fight him again. In today's military winning the battle (or the war) is secondary to returning to base for dinner while staying properly hydrated so, yeah, it's a valid point....
Can you put a red dot on it😂
I don't see why not. I don't use them but I guess you could.
If you keep using common sense, SIR!, instead of mindlessly parroting 'experts', they are gonna call you names. ...seriously, I get it; I'm getting older too.
Once you've paid your debt to society, you should be free to go about your business.
I think we should have time limits. After X number of years (maybe 10?) with no additional convictions full rights to vote and buy guns should automatically be restored. I never understood the lifetime prohibition.
I get so tired of gun content creators feeling like they have to kiss the ass of the viewing audience by showing the damn firearms are cleared and safe. If the creator knows they are, then why the HELL do you think you need to prove to the viewers that they are. Who says that they need to see it clear?
It's not so much proving to the viewers it's safe as it is showing the viewers how we the presenters know for a fact it's safe. I saw a video a couple years ago where an ATF agent shot himself in the hand with his own "unloaded" handgun while teaching a class on gun safety. Maybe switch to decaf...