Why logic doesn't work with OCD
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- We've all tried to challenge our thoughts with logic and rational thinking. This is why it only works for a small period of time, then OCD comes back stronger. Has this happened to you before?
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Really good message. OCD questions need to be refused an answer. Let them go.
The main thing for me is. Recognizing the cues. Knowing the causes. Lots of work. Once you do it. It goes away. Full flow. But... think of yourself as a patient at the doctors. Visualize yourself? What has this person been through doctor? Well, hmm. 1. A TRAUMA that hurt you but nobody else noticed. 2. A DEATH YOU HAVENT DEALT WITH 3. SELF CRITICISM. It’s easy to Monday morning quarterback when we were there to think SS we did it? We were there after to feel the feelings associated. 3 We are here now still beating ourselves up about it. Proves you aren’t a narcissist. 😂❤
@@JKDVIPER sorry but what do you mean by knowing the causes? I mean how can that help make it go away? sorry I'm just struggling and I was good for a while but its a lil bit coming back now and it's really annoying me. Just need a bit more elaboration
@@lalalalalalalala8558 what I’m talking about are.. things that you feel strongly about that YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT. ☮️”There are reasons we developed these STRESS HABITS. Over thinking. Counting. Worrying. Replaying scenes. All that good stuff.
thank you for that simple pointer
@jkdmeritmastergroup3548 not quite, some things are really random but horrible thoughts. I feel like they aren't connected to any trauma. It just popped out of nowhere and I got too offended by the thought. Thats how it came, out of the blue.
Its so weird discovering what has been torturing me all these years, making me write essays to myself..
Honestly tysm for the vid . I thought I was just fucking weird and that the logic thing worked for everyone but me . I once did a month research on why I should suppress some thoughts and it worked but only for a short amount of time. I was so relived but then it came back worse because my brain was like trained to my comebacks and had worse ones. It’s like a virus, it comes back stronger each time you catch it.
One my things that affects me the most is my feelings of actions, thooughts and objects being bad luck. I know it's B.S I'm aware of it but it's so incredibly difficult to get out of it because I still have that fear that something is going to happen if I I use a certain t-shirt on the wrong day and it has me feeling so paranoid and nauseous to buy something because I have this fear that its gonna be a bad luck item
I feel like the more intellectual you are the harder it is to identify. Much more unpredictable patterns
🧿🧿I try to refuse nd ignore it but it then start blackmailing me that Now se what God do wid u or wid your family coz u had such violant or vulgar thought nd instead of thinking nd working on it u chose to refuse. I want to ignore but I only end of battling the battle knowing if I didn't able to prof myself innocent I'll loose me or my close one life as God will punish me 🧿🧿
Idk what kind of ocd you're talking about because I literally do not have those problems & currently being treated for it and then some...sounds like a paradise to me
Listen to what God said : Not the exact words im conveying off course but still ---- WHEN YOU ARE NOT 100 PERCENT SURE ABOUT SOMETHING THEN CONSIDER IT PURE ------
this is the best cure of OCD
Just ignore OCD thought and live fully i am saying a lie 😹 OCD will give you suffering we have only one option to bear it
THIS
Can't rationalize a chemical imbalance in your own brain, and that's the advice the medical experts give us .... no wonder people have lost hope lol
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I have ocd and anxiety and it’s caused major driving and social anxiety. Horrible to live with…. I wouldn’t wish this upon anyone. No one understands that you can’t just rationalize it… or use logic, my brain doesn’t work that way. I wish it were that easy. I wish I could just stop. I wish I just tell myself I’m being dumb and that everything is fine, but it just doesn’t work like that. It is nice to see videos out there like this to help bring awareness for hidden illnesses.
Ocd is causes by something. Coffee or inflammation.
What is the issue with driving?
@@sweetbeep I find it overwhelming. Too much stimulation. It’s hard to concentrate and for some reason, it triggers the flight, fight, freeze response… I tend to “freeze.” Panic for no reason. It’s annoying.
I was also in several car accidents in the past.
It sucks
I am also suffering from OCD since 12 years. Life is very difficult with ocd.
Thank you for this - the "what if" thing really hits home. And the more I think about extremely unlikely scenarios, the more real they become in my head, and then they seem much more of a threat than they actually are
Did you get over it ?
@@ssfgamingeverdale4297 I've gotten over almost all those kind of things I've struggled with in the past. The only thing that still bothers me is the possibility of a "hell" after death. I'm an atheist - I think it's extremely unlikely that anything like that exists, and even more unlikely that I could end up there, but the horrible concept of "eternal suffering" seems infinitely bad, so it still scares me and makes me wonder if it's still worth doing anything "just in case". But it's messing up my life.
@@JosefHopperHarley that sucks man try to think it like it's not in your control so let it go the time I have in this universe I must spend it to my best extent and trust me there is no hell but we all end up making our real lives into one
@@ssfgamingeverdale4297 thanks man :)
Me: Okay, this is NOT true.
My OCD: Well, science argues that nothing can ever be 100%, so LOGICALLY there's at least a .000000001% chance it's true.
Me: Oh frack you're right
I always tell myself something like this: this is just a thought and it is natural to have them even repeatedly. I imagine a stream of water going by in a beautiful setting with trees, a beautiful sun set and I take the thoughts. Then, place them on a leaf and let them go down the stream. Sometimes I have to put the same thoughts on separate leaves and set them down the same steam. It reminds me that if I keep obsessing over these thoughts I will never be able to really enjoy the view relaxing by the stream. ☺️
this is so beautiful and my therapist told me something similar, just gonna leave a comment to come back to this. Btw did you think of this yourself? if so that's amazing
I was told the same thing. It’s hard sometimes but I try to do it. When this monster appeared back in April 2021. Everyday I’m living with this thing. It’s a struggle, but I need to keep strong. We all can do it.
my therapist told me something really similar but with a highway full of cars: you have stay out of the lane and watch them go, not stay in the middle waiting for them to crush you. less beautiful than your metaphor tho lmao loved it nonetheless
Life saving info
Fun fact: OCD is an anxiety disorder.
Yep. Nobody seems to get it. 1. Perception of threat 2. Risk assessment 3. Compulsion
I needed this. This is the same for me.
I am religious and spiritual. My OCD tells me "I am god and if you do not go along with me, you will be punished" and i say "Your order contradicts the laws in my religion islam therefore you are not god" but then another "what if comes".
I can do whatever i like....OCD does not shut up
EXACTLY. MY OCD WILL SAY ILL GET RAN OVER BY A CAR IF I DONT DO SOME WEIRD SHIT 😭
If God is OCD I can’t go along with it. If God is that cruel and illogical it doesn’t matter what you do, God would torture you either way
I hope it helps my friend and I dont know if it will work. I have ocd from in another kind and not this. But try to tell it I blindly believe in God's word and I dont care about your logic. Allah's word is omnipetent and above and beyond logic
It's like your brain tells you something, and you believe the opposite, but even if you use logic, it never turns off, it keeps banging you in the head saying "this will happen, this will happen, this will happen...."
What if your OCD uses genuine logic against you (specifically for pure OCD?)Half of mine is illogical stuff and half of mine is genuinely pretty logical and the two halves work to keep me hooked
yea i sometimes feel like it works against me like each time i make a little bit of progress it comes up with something new
I can’t sleep every night because OCD. I forget that some times life is already perfect. And doesn’t need an excuse to a terrible thought. This reminds me to not answer it.
And to think about what I already have that’s perfect.
Feeling loved or cared for has always helped my OCD. Having a support system is extremely important for one with OCD.
Always get thoughts of things that I didn't have control over or something that's already happened
it's the food... only eat meet...
Best sollution to it, well spoken. Just let it be there get OK ( it’s just there) with the discomfort. Reset your focus on not other things and do not get into rumination. This to shall pass.
While complex, OCD is essentially caused by reprogramming the lizard part of our brain when we spot danger. With OCD we have the trigger (danger) -> ritual to protect for said danger -> nothing happens = re-enforcing the belief system that enacting the ritual is what’s keeping you safe. Cognitive behavioural therapy alongside exposure therapy helps to fix the aberration caused in your brain, it’s very affective but requires the patient to be willing to put in the work throughout therapy and beyond.
Would you recommend anyone for this?
@@hanabaric5607 certainly. While some therapies are limited in their effectiveness, CBT in treating OCD has an very good success rate. Almost double that of the use of SSRI’s. It takes a lot of work because CBT is more about teaching the tools to tackle OCD, and the analogy of the disorder being similar to a bush that needs constant trimming when ignored. I got my OCD down to about 5% of its initial level within 12 weeks of CBT.
Have you watched brahma life yt channel videos for ocd,it is very good for ocd and anxiety recovery.
ok its the last part that i cant get past. how do i tell myself that the potential death of a loved one is not a concern that warrants a response? like, it IS a serious concern? i understand that we cant control everything, but if i ignore the things i do have control over and in doing so allow something terrible to happen when i could have prevented it, i cant handle that.
sorry if this is triggering for ppl on a post thats supposed to be positive and helpful and provide practical solutions. i just have a hard time convincing myself that my worries are stupid or not worthy of being addressed because they feel very real and rational to me. it feels like ppl just want me to play dumb and act like nothing bad ever happens and like i should just go through life oblivious to danger.
i wish i knew how to BELIEVE that my worries dont warrant a response. hearing that just makes me want to cry, because it doesnt FEEL that way to me.
i will try tho. maybe if i say it enough ill believe it.
Thank you 🙏😭 all i can do is try it! It literally makes so much sense lol but my stupid brainnnnn 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Have you watched brahma life yt channel videos for ocd,it is very good for ocd and anxiety recovery.
it's OK try to not curse yourself..
I try to stay positive but still have that "what if" thought
Staying positive has no relationship to disordered fear. The science lies outside of thinking.
@@travisn346 elaborate on that please
@@karmaaty emotion always precedes cognition. When a dog runs out in front of your car, you have a fear response without thinking about it. You can't use thoughts to turn fear on or off, it's an autonomic process.
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So how could this stop or help my compulsions?
@@karmaaty you've got to stop the risk assessments by diverting your mind consistently. Structure, intellectual engagement with repetition.
I have sensorimotor ocd around my swallowing and I know it's not rational but it still effects me
#rattpack
I rationalised over many years. It worked largely, however, required mindfulness, contemplating about the future, my religion in particular and finally got rid of the doubts and intrusive thoughts. It pops up here and there, however, the dangerous thoughts are eliminated.
Mindfulness and acknowledging the thought and getting better at letting the car (thought) drive by instead of getting in the car (engaging with the thought) is very powerful.
Also changing our relationship with the thought and not attaching special significance to a triggering thought. It is a thought, like any other thought and doesn't need to be argued with or figured out any more than 'hmm, that guy who just walked by looked a bit like a human-hedgehog cross'. Moving on... 🙃 You wouldn't give that nonsense the 'third degree', so...
Also, logic cannot solve emotional problems. 'I feel..' does not have a 'solution'.
I can't stop thinking and trying to find a way to control things no one can control. I've also had problems needing to be sure of everything and not being wrong, making sure it's okay. When I was little, I went outside every night to ensure I never left any of my toys outside, even if I never played outside that day, because I was worried they would get ruined. I've also obsessed over my health, and breaking my arm was a nightmare for me because every day I worried I would be deformed.
É, eu também tenho TOC; eu sinto muito medo, eu muitas vezes acredito que algo que eu não quero que aconteça, irá acontecer comigo; e também muitas vezes acho que eu irei fazer mal a pessoas, e/ou a muitas pessoas que eu não quero fazer.
Oh, I thought it was just me. I have a headache just from trying to do my mental compulsions. Only when I cry, I take a break
i have really bad intrusive thoughts for about a month now. any tips to help relax extremely appreciated as i have no money for meds or therapy
Hello! Psychology today offers a great search for therapy and offers ins and sliding scale options. I too thought i couldnt afford it and i could. Taming anxiety is important for these thoughts and she gives the advice its just hard. Let the thoughts come, treat them like clouds. You see them, accept it, ask yourself if you have any proof about if its true or not and let it pass.
Try NOCD. It's an OCD platform. You do have to pay for Therapy but the community chat is free. There are also other tools on there to help you cope. BetterHelp can be useful as well. It's typically 45/week (4weeks paid upfront) for Therapy sessions but if you contact Customer Service, tell them you're unemployed with no insurance and that you can only pay week by week. They may be able to help reduce your bill to 35/week and only paid weekly instead of all up front. (This is financial assistance with them). I hope you get the help you need. Take care and know that it's possible to get mental relief from your symptoms.
You can also try Cerebral and Plushcare (Plushcare is more for medical help but you can speak to any physician about your mental health. I believe they also offer Therapy now.) It's about 60/visit and 15 for a memberships charge? I'm not sure. Hope this helps.
@@AB-zq4fw thank you for the info i appreciate it
@@House_Flipping_Fun No problem, I know Cerebral and Plushcare can prescribe medication, if needed. I'm not sure about betterhelp. (Use can use GoodRX for your prescription if you don't have insurance.) I don't mean to bombard you with information, I just had the same issue with expenses. I know how it can be.
I understand this and it makes sense but the part that gets me and I struggle with is being able to distinguish intuition from fear based OCD thoughts. Like my mind will come up with these thoughts of “what if” but it feels like fate sometimes and like a “sign” to do that thing and then I’ll do it and then have thoughts and fear of “oh crap did I do it again? What if this was the wrong choice? But it feels like the right choice…I think”
So it feels like I constantly can’t really trust myself with anything and that eventually my OCD will ruin things for me again, like relationships, jobs, family matters, life choices, etc
The one time I decided not to give in to my thoughts and not go check if I had left the stove or if someone had left an oven or something on … My brother called me a half an hour or so later telling me, “wtf is wrong with you! There’s smoke all over the dining room and kitchen because you left the oven on!!!” So I decided then and there that checking for fire hazards is okay even if I check it ten times and take pictures of all the buttons etc just to reassure myself if I get the idea that I forgot to turn something off. I never check those pictures after I go to sleep or leave the house but this is my way of reassuring myself. I then end up deleting so many pics every few days because they are obsolete.
I love logic and discussion... But I have tried to learn that with my partner's OCD not responding is best answer. Still learning, as OCD questions can come often. Sometimes answering once and stopping there is good as it'll show you that repeated questions are OCD.
Thanks. Having some trouble with my ocd tonight and this helped!
Unrelated but you sound lik Mila Kunis!
Thank you
Ma’am i agree w u, but I don’t do this i agree w my thoughts to expose myself this has helped me a lot, i have been doing this for a month now it’s really helping me, i have become better at dealing w my thoughts and i know i will heal soon.
Have you watched brahma life yt channel videos for ocd,it is very good for ocd and anxiety recovery.
I’m so worried over a parking space in front of our house that our new neighbor is occupying little by little sometimes. My family says it doesn’t disturb us or anything so I should not worry but it’s been three weeks and a lot of intrusive and what if thoughts have bothered me that it physically hurts my chest and my stomach when this happens. It is now somehow affecting my routine as I am wfh. I tend to check the window like every 5 mins to see if its still there. Before this, another neighbor has a very long van that would get our pathway. They never parked ever since we transferred last year and they got a parking slot at a proper parking place but I somehow kinda relieve my worry by checking if their van would still have their slot before they arrive in the evening so they won’t try to park near our house. I do this very often in a day when I feel the need to step out of the house walk like twenty steps and check the slot for them. People might see I’m just a nosy neighbor but the logic won’t work! I’m so tired!
Have you watched brahma life yt channel videos for ocd,it is very good for ocd and anxiety recovery.
Im tired
Wtf do we do about this man I’m losing my mind trying to battle. There’s has to be something causing these negative thoughts
There isn't anything causing them! These thoughts are exactly the opposite of what you wanna see happening so your mind tricks you by playing these images or getting these thoughts but believe me none of them are real. They're just thoughts, you can't smell them, or see them or hear them cause they're not your reality. Only way to get out of this spiral is to let go of the rope and accept these thoughts are nothing. Eventually they will stop coming cause your brain understands it isn't important. It's been like this for me. Better days are coming bro 👊
Thanks brother staying strong praying for us all
NOT EASY
How to destroy OCD completely ?
That is the real question, but I feel there is no one answer for us all
Acceptance
Think of it like a wound. When you put some bandages over it, they get wet... Those thoughts are the wetness, the cause is the wound. Heal the wound and anxiety goes away. To heal it, you need to sit with it confront that darkness and "hug the cactus". That's why therapy and mindfulness are very useful.
I have ocd. But a few of times, i've just ignored it but i still dont feel safe
OCD is not in your imagination I have it badly I have to do surten things till it gets to the right number and I have bad thoughts as well
My anxiety comes from the overstimulation of my body and mind that makes it harder to use my logic to reason out so I get stuck on thoughts because I can’t access any of my other thoughts. To stop myself from staying at home 24/7 paralyzed I set a small one step goal of something that will bring me satisfaction so that I can begin to change compulsory behaviors and thoughts that come from being stuck in one environment One of the only things that helps a hamster get off its wheel is to manually remove it from that specific environment.
Have you watched brahma life yt channel videos for ocd,it is very good for ocd and anxiety recovery.
I have HOCD but my brain makes me think I don’t , I was watching RUclips I saw a female cosplayer and she was cosplaying as male character and when I saw her fully cosplayed face obviously if someone is attractive he or she is,but I got a gut feeling I got really scared I thought I was gay at that moment,I tried to search for answer I tried to say it was just a reaction I got I thought before the full cosplay that I might get a feeling when I saw it I got one..now iam really perplexed and scared cause I don’t want to be gay..
Unfortunately i needed pills so if you need them and nothing else is helping them please take them you are olny wasting time that you can be doing or focusing on something that matters in your life and being happy in life.
but doesn't the pills make you feel empty? I suppose that is the best choice i myself have them so severely i am basically in a shitty spot. my relationship is being affected and im losing hair and my chest is frequently hurting from so much stress
@Lilac Moon some yes but that's why you have to try different ones to see what works and what doesn't because some may not feel any side effects just exactly what you need but please do it with your doctor and address anything you might feel odd about, make a list.
Please like so I can revisit and calm down during an anxiety spiral
I was ruminating about about my trigger and told myself after the event even if someone recorded me I had my face mask on anyway
Then the doubt kicked in. Did I have my face mask on so I’m recognisable even though I told myself and was fine.
I even had to ask someone this morning if my worry happened and they confirmed no. Now my brain is latching on to something else
Checking OCD may be coming down to the secondary effects of poor visual processing, visual memory as a compensation for an underlying learing disability
When I have anxiety attacks I start counting… 1, 2, 3, 5, 4, 6, 7, and so on… Or if I’m in public I try to focus on counting every time my eyes blink, sometimes I think of a catchy song, like, “I could walk 500 miles” and sing it in my mind, really anything to distract from the situation…
Have you watched brahma life yt channel videos for ocd,it is very good for ocd and anxiety recovery.
I am anxious about my cats. I have a compulsive thought that is my neigbhours are always trying kill my cats.feeling that they are poisoning and make trap for killing my cats. I don't know if it is real or not.
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Lived with adhd/ocd since I can remember. Diagnosed around 6yo. I’m now 28yo and both are still heavily prevalent lol I have just rolled with it my entire life. It takes me 4-5hr to just get on Xbox, for example. Lol there is a “well this, well that, what if this, oh it’s this” around every corner 😅 to the point that I am so mentally exhausted by the time I get on I can’t even play well. I annoy all my friends but I can’t help it
i cope with OCD and potentially ADHD, however I can tell you that my biggest challenge is the ability to talk with a clear and rich voice, calming down and breathing properly.
Looked this up bc I’ve been having terrible anxiety before going to sleep bc my brain has convinced me I’m highly at risk of dying in my sleep (slightly trauma related). I’m gonna try this tonight I really really hope it helps
Nah. People who operate on order have logic. Logic allows us to see into the near future. Because the future is known, there’s no need for unnecessary fear. Orderly minded people focus on the future. It should be no surprise they also have goal orientation. These people are masculine minded.
A chaotic mind results in creation/manipulation, wants & desires. They focus on the past, and are blind to the future. Not being able to see into the near future results in negative possibilities based on past experiences. These people lack goal orientation, they want instant results instead. These are your feminine minded people
Feminine people have negative thoughts & emotions, Masculine people have positive thoughts & emotions. Feminine people focus on the past, masculine people focus on the future.
Nature has a way of making chaotically minded people stay in the past, punishes you for trying to apply your negative thoughts & emotions into the future. Remember, the future is about positivity. Dont go against the grain
By the way, I made all this up
First time i realize i have ocd was 10 years ago, which when im drink and doin something, i always repeat that multiple time, and i woried if im not doin that multiple time, something bad will happened to me, and i think until now i still have it, but i can handle it now
Also it's in the amygdala not the cortex. It's not in the thinking part of the brain.
its something in the brain which is connected to everything else in the body, gut health, vitamin/mineral levels etc
Have you watched brahma life yt channel videos for ocd,it is very good for ocd and anxiety recovery.
I dont have any fears jus complusuons day and night ....why can i not find any help rhat relates to my ocd
What if i don't actually have ocd and really want what i think.. I'm scared u dont want that
Thank you for speaking about this❤ I learned this recently and I’m so happy I did because if I didn’t, I would be stuck trying to use logic as a solution to my problems, when really that drives it more
For some that is the case, for others logic is the foundation in which a person self programs the management of overwhelming thoughts
Thank you so much. I needed this!
But how do I know if I have anxiety/adhd and I need to realize the thought can’t hurt me vs. ocd where I need to refuse to give it attention
Thank you for explaining it so simply. I have OCD and anxiety and I feel understood.
So we can get out of anxiety disorder right?
Something that has helped me with my What ifs, was going "Yeah, what if?" and pretending not to care about it.
@nocd3372 can ocd distort your memory, example with real event ocd/false memory ocd. Like you see the event but the memory itself or thought that popped in your head, is something you areny certain it really happened.
It does yes.
❤❤just listned to this agian. It sunk in as a tool to uae,,thank you so much, you dont know,, well.. ya you do..
Does anyone know who this clinician/therapist is?
I feel anxiety first in my gut then intrusive thought flys in
That's why books don't help
Impossible because I'm too worried God will let something happen to my kids if I don't do the rituals & I will do ANYTHING to protect my babies. I feel like I will never wake up with peace like normal people. They are so lucky to just wake up normal. It just starts again when I wake up. 😞
Have you watched brahma life yt videos of ocd and anxiety,they are really helpful
I'm a straight man and I'm suffering from HOCD which has been for years on and off.
Me too bro😢
Thanks I'm going to apply this😊
she is intelligent and damn so beautiful ❤️
How do we react to it? What do we do?
Sounds great but easier said than done 😣
I love your fangs
God bless you and thank you.
Thank you so much
Thanks Meg
Facts 👍 there's no point in arguing with OCD
But then how do you distinguish if it is actually an OCD thought or a rational thought that you should further think about?
That’s the hard part. I’ve often had worries and wondered if it’s just ocd and if it’s just something I’m worried about.
In my opinion, if you are feeling anxious and paranoid even if the situation hasn't happened YET, it's a ocd thought. Because a normal person would not think so much about a future situation. So all you have to do is sit with the feeling and be like “worrying about this situation won't prevent it from happening, when it will happen I will deal with it” I know it's easier said than done because I am suffering from the same but I am just trying to help lol 😅
Does this work?
Good exeplernation thank you
excellent
Makes sense
Thanks!❤️
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Thanks so much ♥️❤️