Tamora - The "Beginner" TVR?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- To the uninitiated, TVR's line-up in the early 2000s was a touch confusing. They all seemed to be nearly the same thing, and the Tamora is one of the most forgotten, but also best. So just what is it, and why would you buy one?
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Fun fact, despite it's niggles, the speed six engine is the most powerful naturally aspirated 6-cylinder engine ever to be fitted to a production car.
??? 911 991.2 GT3 RS makes 520 hp
@@drt5665 Oops, straight 6. The next most powerful is the S54 in the E46 BMW M3
With no variable valve timing.
The 265 hemi from the 70's made over 200kw from factory and i could imagine if it was tuned to run todays fuel (efi and such) if it would get close 300kw N/A with bolt ons (P.S. TVR is my favorite European cars)
Beautiful car, TVR just knew how to design sexy timeless cars.
Had my TVR for 6 yrs now & had no problems apart from normal servicing & maintenance.👍 Love it.
Do you still have the car?
@@HyperVanilo no now sold, cheers 👍
Gotta love TVRs for amazing design. Still looks good and new 15 years later.
Yea if you're blind
The Cerbera is gorgeous, this not so much. But then again, I agree on it still looking good today, especially with all the spaceships coming out.
jootai Well, What an absolute helmet comment. I of course admire your opinion during these difficult times.
I think they look really great, but not new.
@@jootai But not if you're completely stupid, apparently.
Okay, you finally got me to subscribe, there is something about the TVR's that just turns me back into a teenager lusting after a 280i
Loving the content at the moment. Cheers.
I always lusted over the Cerbera. But driving any TVR makes you feel alive.
Cerbera was my fave too.
cerbera a dream
@@chiliconnection1 Stunning motors absolutely love em.
@@ajg7609 yeah NA is Great, still i have R6 Twin Turbo
@@chiliconnection1 Can't knock that fella did you mean RS6 ? If so them are my fave Audi.. like all the RS's but a 6 in avant or saloon is a cracking motor.
I remember seeing the Griffith at the NEC motorshow when it first came out, early 90s, and since then always had a soft spot for the cars. Terribly sad when they went belly up. Great to see some reviews of the the old cars again.
Love TVR, but never owned a speed 6 TVR.. I had a 350i, 2x 400SE, a 450 Chimeara, and 2 rare SEACs.. a 420 SEAC and 450 SEAC.. Awesome cars though. If I got another.... it would be a 500 Griffith
I love the Chimaera and Griffith...😀👍🆒️...🚗💨...5.0L V8...👌
"Baby's first minigun" - Ha, love that.
You got to love a TVR, we now live in a nanny state but TVR are so non PC I think it great.
As cool as they are I still can't get past the fact that they are really just one step up from a kit car. And that Al Melling designed straight six is a grenade waiting to happen. Give me a Griiffith with a 5.0 Rover V8 any day.
T350 came after this and was built as a racecar based on the tamora, they ended up not doing the race series but decided the car was so good looking they had to make it
Hoorah at last a non bullshit, non "I heard in the pub that TVRs....." review
"... we decided we should take the roof off and tempt fate...."
Next shot - roof up/on!!
A true man-of-his-word!!
Roof was off for the review, put it back on for the drive bys so it's not as easy to see the fact I am not driving
JayEmm on Cars You put the roof back on *“for the drive bys”???*
So you WEREN’T JOKING about the “baby’s first Mini Gun” analogy!
🏃♂️💥🚘
TVR and sensible do not usually appear in the same sentence. Any car can kill you it's just my girlfriends Cerbera actually wanted to. She now has a much more 'sensible' Lotus Elise Mk 1 Great channel as always
i always loved that 7 spoked wheels of that generation of tvr's
Seen that car at a few local car shows, it's a beaut
Corrado wing mirrors I wonder if they still have the VW badge on them
Colour matching that would be a pain in the arse you would end up having to blend the whole car
My favourite tvrs are the Tamora and the T350 stunning cars.
I seem to recall Harry Metcalf saying something along the lines of the Griff was an impossible car to setup well in terms of suspension due to the ladder chassis. He took it over to Mclaren to get setup and they said due to the chassis and lack of stiffness due to being a softop you could play about all month trying to get it setup but would never get a decent result . Still, this and all teh cars that came around about the same time look good, sound good and go well. I still think id have a exige, z4m, etc for a cheeky little sports car, as beautiful and unique as the tvr - i just dont have the patience for rebuilds of engines, re waxyoil'ing riggers etc.. Always loved the interiors, though. Great review as usual.
I'm sure you could say the same for any/all sports cars from the early 90s back though! Doesn't mean they can't handle nicely. Nothing wrong with a nice compromise!
@@Malc180s sorry I'm not getting your comment. It's Monday and I'm Tired!!
@@Malc180s Given that all tvrs have the same sort of chassis and lack of stiffness bar the non soft tops, i think its safe to say that the same is true across the tvr softtop models. Its just not going to handle well due to the technique used to suspend the car.. Dodgy old H frame chassis with no chassis stiffness. hmm
I can see the dealer waiting in front of his Computer for someone to buy the car now :-D
Wish TVRs were available in Italy. I'd have probably gotten one instead of blowing a fortune on an E89 which frankly wasn't a sports car at all
Hello Jay ! Cheers from France. i bought my Cerbera Speed Six after your review, as i was hesitating a bit. NOW , the day question is would i rather sell my 2001 Griffith 500SE with a taraka engine kit to buy a nice Tamora ? thanks in advance for your kind advices. And keep going strong :)
It's the Sagaris for me . Still one of my favourite cars ever made .
Please, please, please, more of these obscure vehicles!!
I opted for an Alfa after I realized I would have to have the ankles of Houdini to work the pedals!
I absolutely love it
Wonderful car
Never even knew bout’ this one
My mate had a blue one of these. Great fun, but not the easiest to drive. I'll withold comment on the build quality.
The only car without any aero mods on my Gran Turismo game because it looks too damn good.
These used to cost about £13k a few years ago; can't believe how much prices have jumped.
It's a lovely car, but I'd have the t350 myself.
T350 and Sagaris are the best looking TVR's for me...
Loved Tamora and T350c they should have just Cincinnati getting these models right and evolved with a BMW M performance 6 cylinder- perfect
Hope you have breakdown cover lol. I built one from a kit in the 70s it was a TVR Vixen I believe with a 1600 Ford crossflow engine..
@@gr-s2143 cover is just being sensible
Apparently they only had limited amounts of the 3.6L so if they ran out they slung in a 4L on the odd occasion
Blinding knowledgeable review of a cool car thanks
Tamora Straight 6 engine was lowest powered in Tvr range, that's why it was the 'entry' level. It could be uprated though.
Early Speed 6 engines had lots of issues, but they are well documented on why/fixing. You can now get a rebuild with 5 year/100k mile warranty - transferable - & this is for a race engine
Speed 6 engines have more top end power, but less torque, the V8's have less top end, but more torque.
Strong support from car club & Indy garages.
They are cars unlike few others, enjoy them while you can.
I think in another dimension Jay bought a Tvr, & not the Evora...........................& he's still got it......
Love it! Love the content!
Where does this garage advertise? I cannot find this car online.
Was it best to get the i6 or V8 in cars that had the option ?
please, next time you review a tvr show us the boot don't just say how big it is
You see I really love TVR’s I really do I always have and I always will..... but is there any point in one these days? All new top end hot hatches will beat it in a Dash to 60, they handle better and are more reliable. So the only real reason to have one is because you love them. The market for them must be dropping all the time
Sure, Dan, the practicality of a TVR doesn’t match that of a hatchback, but nobody ever buys a sportscar for practicality...? 🤷🏻♂️ HOWEVER, the driving experience in a TVR, both dynamically and aurally, versus any hatchback, is incomparable. The term “smiles per gallon” is used again and again by TVR owners for a very good reason. Plus, you can take the roof off or put the top down on nearly all of them and lastly... Drive ANY TVR or PARK any TVR alongside any of the modern, ridiculously overpriced, mind numbingly generic hatchbacks, and nobody will even notice the hatchback, because all eyes (and ears 😊) will be on the TVR... 😍🤩😘
I’ve owned 4 TVRs over the years - still have a lovely Tuscan Mk2 - and one of the least mentioned and most gratifying aspects of owning and driving one, is the reaction that they engender from the public. Drive an expensive Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche or other super car and people may *surreptitiously* admire the car, but they harbour an antagonistic resentment towards the driver, because they view them as spoilt or smug rich kids, ostentatiously flaunting their wealth. TVRs were never the preserve of the super rich, because the company’s humble origins and earlier models made them the preserve of sporting enthusiasts on a much lower budget. It was only in the later stages of the company that the cars began to get more exclusive and expensive, but they were never in the price bracket of the well known supercar marques, despite having performance that genuinely came to rival them... As a result - and perhaps especially in the U.K. where they were built - the public have a very palpable and genuine admiration for TVRs, but without resenting the owner/driver. Time and time again, I get waved into the busy main road when joining from a side street, and given an appreciative thumbs up at the same time. Sit there in a Porsche and people will delight in not letting you in. I’ve even had people run across the road to tell me how much they love the car, many others have stopped to ask what it is, and if I’m on the motorway, HUGE numbers of drivers do slooooow overtakes so they can get a really good look at it or take photos... and then they smile, give a thumbs up and drive off.
The 3.6 Tuscan will do 0-60 MPH in 4.2 seconds, 0-100 in 9.5 and tops out at 180 MPH. For the money I paid for it 6 years ago, in beautiful condition, with only 15,000 miles on the clock, I can’t think of another car that could touch it AND could even hope to replicate the sheer joy of driving and ownership that I’ve described above... AND it’s now worth about £10,000 more than I paid for it and going up year on year. 🤷🏻♂️ Try getting those sorts of resale figures in any of today’s turbocharged hatchbacks, that depreciate like a rock the instant you turn the key and leave the showroom... 🤔
I do get your point, though, and I’ve seriously considered swapping my Tuscan for the sorts of cars you’re talking about - they do make sense as a sporty yet practical driving machine - BUT the depreciation versus APPRECIATION argument alone hugely complicates that decision, let alone what I’ve already mentioned.
Lastly, if you fancy a laugh and want to understand my dilemma in its fullness, have a look at the TVR Tuscan video that featured on this channel fairly recently, and you’ll find two lengthy comments of mine that I posted today, each of which has a heading in block capitals, so you can’t miss them. From memory, the first one’s entitled MY TUSCAN IS AN ABSOLUTE BITCH! HERE’S WHY... and the second one explodes the myth about TVRs allegedly having no modern driver aids... Ahem... (🤞🤥) Safe driving, Brother. ✌️😎
Ford Focus ST 0-60 time is 5..7 seconds. TVR Tamora, 4.2 seconds. Have you ever driven a TVR? The handling is awesome.
610Mungral I’ve never driven one bit I have been in a 5.0 Chimaera and I loved it. There are much quicker Audi’s and BMWs these days that are much quicker than the Focus ST. The standout thing of a TVR back in the day was that it was quicker than most other supercars..... fast forward 20 years and hot hatches are just as quick.
Bercilak de hautdesert I will have one day don’t get me wrong, I still love the Cerb like the first time I saw it and I need to scratch that itch! What one you got mate?
Dan - try looking at the 0-100mph figures! You'd need an Audi R8 to stay with any TVR and even things like the Audi RS4 are left eating a TVR's dust. I've driven 911 Turbo's and Ferraris and even they struggle to match the sensation a TVR gives you of being picked up by the scruff of the neck and being hurled at the horizon. Even today twenty years on the midrange punch a TVR provides outclasses any mass production car. Add in sublime exterior design, truly world class interiors (no Porsche, Ferrari, Audi or BMW comes close to being such a special place to sit) and the incredible engine sound and sheer visceral driving experience and they are still unique.
Most modern cars have refined out the sense of speed and the sensation of driving. TVR's provide those in spades to the point of being intimidating. In fact the values of most TVR's (and other similar cars - Lotus, Morgan etc) are now rising quite steeply as people recognise that we are in the final couple of decades of petrol powered motoring and people want to experience raw internal combustion motoring while they still can.
Stunning to look at and listen to, no doubt awesome to drive. But as an ownership proposition I put TVR's in the same category as watercraft, exotic wildlife as pets, or dating girls with names like Tiffani or Mercedes.
Great fun to daydream about, but probably best avoided for the sake of a stress-free life.
had mine for 17 years and it has been more reliable than my company cars - has been all through Europe with no issues. oh had a coil fail- £40...
MPG on this thing?
Not good😀
Quite like this car but my favourite would be the T350 out of the whole range.
Toby Sagaris??? T350 on Steroids!
A suspiciously cheap Cerbera 4.5 isn't a beginner friendly? :p
Uhoh, that was going to be my next car...
A subtle TVR. I still love it.
I still dont understand TVR, being a fan and watching your TVR videos, of how TVR failed? Pure British sports car, different to all, a dying breed, Jay Lenno would approve yet still failed.
Quality wasnt on the level of other manufacturers in their price range.
People got the porche instead
@@gr-s2143
Thats not the point. Rich people who own it for the first couple of years demand Quality and Reliabillity.
Sure some porches fall apart later in life too but TVRs are an unreliable mess from the get go
light clutch pedal is not normal afaik
You'll always look good in a TVR, even when in a high-speed backward skid towards an oak tree.
There is no entry level TVR, it´s more or less pro-cars only. As no assistance-systems are at hand while a fat nasty engine is, you always have to know what your´re capable of handling if this cars get rude... and they will..... by the way... how about adjusting the clutch pedal? Might help....
That is a good looking car...
Hi
wth were all tvr's v6? i always assumed they were v8 for no reason, it makes sense since the UK doesn't seem to like any v8 possibility's most the time.
edit: oh i see so there was a v8 option, i was going to say as a child im sure the one i went up to was a v8 tuscan.
@John Mitchell sorry yes i know, i just tend to refer to any 6 or 8 cyclinder as a V just so i dont have to keep changing between the lot.
just laziness on my part.
The Tuscan race car was a V8. Some early TVRs had V6s too
@@JayEmmOnCars maybe its the race car i remember seeing, but honestly not sure now as they all tend to have a similar look anyways ive always loved them regardless of the mixed reviews I've always heard and never actually owning one myself. cheers.
Some early TVRs had Ford 4 cylinder engines, triumph straight 6, ford V6 (first the Essex, then the cologne). Then the Rover V8.
Tvr developed the AJP V8 and the Speed Six engines. Sadly the AJP v8 was only put in the Cerbera and it is the better of the two engines but costly to make and so was fazed out in favour of the Speed Six. TVR also developed a Speed 12 engine by joining two Speed Six engines together, this went into the Cerbera Speed 12.
It's the reliability horror stories that you hear about T.V.R.'s (and Lotus) that would stop me from ever buying one.
Your loss!
@@garethholden301 they look and sound terrific cars,as do Lotus,but nightmare repair bills and down time would rapidly kill any fun factor for me.
even though 90% of them are horseshit.....
I worry about AMG headbolts and Porsche IMS bearings and BMW VANOS issues........
@Bercilak de hautdesert that sounds very appealing,the amount of times I've thought " too Hell with all this modern ultra complex machinery,i'll get rid and drive an old air-cooled Beetle.",there's a lot to be said for keeping it simple,especially in a sports car,I think that's why old 60's 911's sell for insane money.✌👍
Why doesnt TVR sell in the US?
They never met the safety regs
Closest thing to a TVR in the US is probably a viper
@@LukeEvans55 I think a stripped out Z3 with a 6 cylinder probably would get close too.
Tvr is back
Yeah, but they're taking their sweet time
"I apologise it's a bit wet".
He says that twice even.
Why? Who cares?!
"I watched a car review on RUclips but the car was A BIT WET. I was SO offended"....
C'mon be serious no TVR was ever worth it unless money was no problem.
Schade das man in dem Video fast nur einen Kräftigen Mann sieht der im Tamora sitzt und viel erzählt. Um was ging es eigentlich. Um den Tamora oder um Ihn... Schade 🙈🙊🙉
Nice but when you can get a mk 4 tt Quattro for 20 k or less , I know where my money would go, if I had it
Wot a girls car man up
@@chilman6461 how is it a girls car when just as many blokes drive tt's then women ? And a tt would be faster and more reliable then a tvr?
@@gr-s2143 🥱
Anyone else spot the Lotus Carlton?
Everyone spotted it ;)
I reviewed it a while back
You need to work on your camera work man.
It is what it is. We did not have the time for any more on this one.
24 grand isn't bad but I'd rather spend 40 on a Vantage roadster which is much more reliable and has a badge to die for.
As are the servicing costs.... friend had vantage...kept it 6 months then traded in for F type - first service nearly bankrupted him!
Working in a TVR parts department around this time, it felt like the company were all over the place. They were releasing a new model every fortnight and there were no part numbers for the components, no diagrams and a particular Tamora come back after 1 week after registration with an A4 page of faults in size 12 font. Every single part required a call to Mike or Mike at TVR, a job I enjoyed because they were a good laugh and you would order a cigar lighter or trim component and receive a starter motor. Nothing was labelled and in a busy parts department I ended up with boxes of components that I had to match up with the cars. No packing list either. They were a great company with so much vision but massively under resourced.
I would say under organized.
Let me guess.. all the wires in the loom were black.
@Uncle Joe Well I was only working in a dealership and they were only a secondary brand to the Saab Lotus and Mazda agency that we had. I left shortly after, I have little interest in Mazda.
@@IMTHEBIGGESTCUNT I would be surprised if they had any coating on the wires at all.
@@gr-s2143 I agree, many of the TVR's went on to live successful lives, but from a dealership point of view it was very hard to make any money. The cars wouldn't sell, Tuscans in particular were a bugger to shift, and when you have pissed customers who are bringing their new car back with faults and a OEM in meltdown it creates a headache for everyone involved. They did their best but felt sad when we knew they were going to the wall. Great cars though!
Guy walks into an exhaust shop for a custom exhaust. What are you looking for sir. Yes, can i have the full Brian Blessed please.... lol
A girlfriend once said "Audi just knows how to make a sexy car" while I'm thinking "She's probably never seen a TVR".
Audi and sexy are not two words I would put together
Lol audi makes the most boring cars ever
@andrewduffield2322 you aren't a girl/woman? Women LOVE TTs!
The Cerbera was always the one that had me drooling from first seeing it but this Tamora is a very nice car especially with that car/wheels colour combination.....I would have to have the full Brian Blessed though, has to be done
This has to be the best sounding 6-cyl engine ever. It has the raspyness of 60's carbed straight sixes and then it just screeeeams furiously in higher rpms. Mega stuff!
I love tvr’s. I hired a t350 10 years ago for the weekend and absolutely loved it. The only car I’ve driven that actually felt fast enough for me and that’s coming from a person who doesn’t normally like na engines that much.
More tvr reviews please.
What a gorgeous car. Love it. Great channel
I always loved TVR's, they blew my mind when the "Wedges" came out and then moved into those slinky shapes as the 80/90's tailed off. I have always wanted one of these, watching you drive this Tamora reinforces my view that German cars..... well NAaaah! This is something to get excited about. A review of the reborn TVR would be well appreciated, they have gone to every length to make sure the "new" TVR has the same chemistry and hopefully better reliability :)
I never liked the Tamera but do now. I might go down that route if I change my Chimaera
twinturboray 😂😂 auto correct obviously but thanks for the constructive and intelligent contribution 👍
This is still a great looking car!
I think the Tam is the only TVR whose looks I can’t get on with. It looks squashed and the back end is straight up fugly.
Sorry, Jay, no TVR is “a bit of an oddity”. TVRs are the duckbill platypi of the car world.
im more and more considering swapping my 17/100 Griffith 500 Se for a Tamora ?? did i lost mind ? knowing that i already own a SpeedSix Cerbera. Thanks dear JayEmm for your coming advice and you the knowing followers here !
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Tamora the beginners TVR??? Hmm absolutely isn't.. That would be the Chimeara, then a Griffith, then a Tamora would slot in... Anything that has a speed 6 engine isn't a beginners TVR..
The idea is that the Tamora officially replaced those, and as you'll see in the video I'm not convinced any TVR is a beginner car
@@JayEmmOnCars not arguing there, as I know TVR's well.. Apart from possibly the older S class cars they are not for the faint hearted .. Maybe you should be more thoughtful with the video title as that's why I commented..
@@tollyt7465 The video title is a question, not a statement - hence I comment on it in the video
Another great, honest, real world review. Keep doing what you do so well 👌
This is a really nice car looks a lot better in the flesh
yet another amazing car review.
What a gorgeous looking car
If your 25 stone seats never gonna grip you !!!
Would it be wrong to buy one and LS swap it?
My 2021 video wish of JayEmm is best 1996 and older TVR for American's to import and how to make sure it isn't going to rust apart as soon as it arrives.
No TVR is for a beginner...
See ya.... !
Hi
John Favreau reviews an RQ63
In the market for my third Tvr. So Tuscan or Tamora, is there such a thing as a sensible choice?
Loved this video,!
I've never driven a Tamora because I'm in the States and a car must be 25 years old to import, but I HAVE owned a Chimaera. The long clutch was actually a nice thing, because other than a seatbelt, it was the ONLY thing that you might could consider a "safety feature."
Does it have the heavy gas pedal spring like the Chimaera and Griffith?
Jay, brilliant work as always on this one. I keep coming back to it. What about reviewing a T350C or T350T to have the trifecta done?
Quite funny, the made instruments "from space" but the mounted a steering wheel from the 80ties. I would prefer the classic Smith clocks.
Jm what's the status of TVR these days. Tomor are beautiful looks very hot. It reminds me of the TR6 .Thanks.
I love TVRs especially the ones with THAT fancy chameleon paint!!
"Large" kudos for the Brian Blessed reference. I'm sure it went over the heads of a good portion of viewers.
Still a great design and chameleon colours are just topping it off!!!!
Always thought it was just a T350 in a different suit.
Sooo, it’s a Mazda mx 5 roadster…with a better engine…