@@robyeone7976 or he's not moronic enough to agree to such a deal in public with countless witnesses. it's almost out of Nucky's character to be shocked by his inevitable response here
@@trenttrip6205 I suppose that’s a quote from the show. Just for the record, I’m not saying it didn’t happen, just that I don’t remember, it’s been a while since I’ve seen it. I need to watch it again when I’m ready for the heartbreak.
People think that Mellon called him an interloper because he wanted to insult him. He said that with authority and told the staff because he's probably paranoid enough to know that some of them are being paid as spies by his rivals to listen in on their conversation or that there are possibly journalists listening in on them. He also did it to remind Nucky of his place in the club, and establish a power hierarchy between them. What a character.
Agreed. he did it for many reasons but primarily to establish a fact of public rejection of anything that Nucky may or may not have said to him. Any accusations, however spurious, later on could be swiftly countered by the fact that melon refused whatever Nucky had to say to him and had him removed. While it is true his mannerisms and stature may have been used to reinforce a hierarchy between them that he perceived necessary, I think it's absolutely clear that both of these men were Beyond mature enough that no insulting of any kind was needed.
This scene is fantastic. It really illustrates how smart Nucky was. He was fully aware of the fact that he was way out of his league here, yet in spite of that he conducted himself well enough to earn Mellon's favor in the end.
Nucky was amongst the most disciplined negotiators I have ever seen in film. He never took anything personally and always kept his cool, knowing that peoples responses werent always their actual responses. This public rejection gave way to a private acceptance. He was in fact in his league and Mellon recognized this by his collected response to the seemingly offensive response. Someone like Lucciano would have blown up like a petulant child. Lucciano would have been out of his league.
@@Bethune_Groundstaff Not sure if you have read much by Ayn Rand, but it's a good foundation for understanding motivations. When it comes to negotiation, we are presenting a value exchange. We must accept that a rejection is merely a lack of sufficient value communicated to convince someone to make an exchange. The person making the offer is a part of that value. Always look at it in economic terms and never let emotion enter the equation. Doing this allows for one to conduct themselves professionally at all times. In this case, Nucky was an unknown to Mellon. His personal value was zero. Although the business exchange was sufficient, the net negative of Nucky being unknown was enough to kill the deal. The manner in which Nucky conducted himself increased his value (built rapport). This added value and made the exchange worthwhile. In sales (life is sales, not just sales jobs specifically), the economic terms are usually easy to meet. It's the human factor that makes deals happen. If dollars and cents were the primary driver, accountants would make the best sales people. I have never met an accountant that could sell water in the desert.
Blackmailing a guy of his position in that day and age was a good way of being conveniently found in a ditch a few months later. These rich guys have no problem using their wealth to rid themselves of their problems.
The real Andrew Mellon was a cold-blooded patrician. His response to the Great Depression was "Purge the System," in other words let the peasants die. Magnificently played here by James Cromwell who turns in another excellent performance.
I'd guess, given his predilections, his 'purge the system' referred to clearing out/slimming down the government and letting the private sector correct itself. However, I am only speculating, I could be wrong in proper context.
Amazing how the show builds Nucky up to be some kind of criminal mastermind, pulling strings everywhere, get treated like a small insect by those with real Power. Then you think about how insignificant the NJ crime scene is compared to running a nation.
Politicians give themselves titles, medals, awards and pay rises. Gangsters go to jail. Thats the difference. What they have in common is, if they're good at what they do, history remembers them.
@@thesunris Influence. Gangsters especially nowadays are only effective if they play ball with heavy-hitters akin to men like Mellon. Hell even most big cartels nowadays are on the fringe just waiting to get snuffed out either with time or action.
@ Alexi Barona - Yeah, like Carnegie, Mellon was of Scottish descent. But your instinct was accurate. Ulster Scots were even more Protestant than the WASPs. Still are.
@Jim Dandy but these elites still subscribe to the notion of European/Anglo Saxon dominance though. See Carroll Quigley for details. Also, notice how these elites still doggedly refuse to entertain meaningful dealings with African nations...even in the face of China & Russia aggressively courting said African continent's leadership. The Anglo elites *_DO_* to subscribe to some sort of ruler-ship based on Anglo-originated precepts...even if they dont necessarily view those precepts with the same approach as the masses.
I think that was because of Nucky not being used to taking insults. Later on in the episode he says "You fucking Interloper" to the man in Billie Kent's apartment. Almost like he had to pass on the insult to someone else to feel better.
There's a lot of times where people repeat something somebody else told them on the series, the two that pop out in my head is when Al Capone told one of his men to grow up after being told it earlier in the episode, and when Jimmy repeated "not every insult requires a response." It's a good way to show what's going on inside of these people's heads.
Beevenhouse his nervousness is a sign of humility, that would make the secratary comfortable enough to do business with him, its a wise move on nuckys part
Beevenhouse his nervousness is a sign of humility, that would make the secratary comfortable enough to do business with him, its a wise move on nuckys part
I love how the writers of this show troll the main characters every now and then: as if saying, these goons are getting too cheeky now, we need to show them some humility.
Notice how Mr. Mellon simply gestures to those throughout the room. That's real power. He "enjoyed " Nucky Thomson's little pitch; even though he could've squashed him like a bug.
It’s kind of ironic how Nucky was the Treasurer and Mellon was Secretary of the Treasury but even with his $200 million and power as head of the Treasury Department, Nucky still got the better of him like he did with Rothstein. Mellon arrested Remus and forced Daugherty to resign and Nucky didn’t end up filling his part of the bargain but did get to use the distillery to bait Rothstein and got Daugherty to go down “lock, stock and whiskey barrel.”
@La Onda they dont make westerns anymore? Is your old ass still living in the early 2000s? 2018 was the biggest year for the modern western.There have been many critically accalimed shows, movies even video games about westerns. What draws a lot of ppl to westerns is the outlaws, not the governent.
I love the outside background of the city with its misty overview that you can see through the Club's big balcony portals. Evidently the Club is located many stories high over the city downtown, surrounded by other tall buildings but you can still perceive the city noise, the pollution in the air, and the cars outside down on the streets and how the misty sunlight hits the neighboring buildings giving this scene that old fashinon 'smell' in a setting portarying a private club during the 1920's.
Exactly...its like window to zeitgeist of early 20st century America. Almost like you can feel growing and vibrant american city outside, city of newcoming empire, growing power and Andrew Mellon represent that in person...its fantastic detail, fantastic scene
@@lukasustic752 Absolutely fasinating. This scene has it all. Everything that you mentioned about the rising Empire and the US climbing the last steps to reach this Everest to become the most dominant and industrialized country in the world. The path of hegemony. Amazing!
I love these old club leather chairs. This makes me think of having that certain smell when you walk into an older building and have that old wood smell.. of the floorboards. The mix between wood and leather would be very delightful aromataticaly.. the smell of old aged whiskey and cigar as it envelopes the upper atmosphere.. delightful
It's not really something you can get anymore, apart from some of the few places that have actually survived renovations. The only place I know of with that sort of scent and social climate is a German restaurant here in Houston. Haven't ever found it anywhere else.
@@Vistresian1941 yeah here in Australia I used to enjoy going to the old country towns that had the antique stores or antiquated historical buildings that had that atmospheric quality. I loved when crossing the threshold it was like stepping into a different time era. It wasn't just visually but the atmosphere within the place had that quality of the unknown. Sadly these days many homes have lost that quality as they now are pretty much all the same.. I myself used to love the older homes with the high ceilings or the pressed tin ceilings and the different mouldings used to decorate it.. creaking floor boards and mantlef fire places .. the kind of places you'd want to explore carefully because just what if... ( Like the homes in the famous five where if you ran your fingers in the right place or knocked on the wall to find the hollow you could find a secret passageway or secret nook or cranny..) the kind of places that excite the mind.
@@zu1875lu haha you snook in? Are you sure apparently they don't exist like the me.. maybe it was all an illusion I thought snook was like a snog.. oh wait yeah the accent.. hmm Birmingham hey.. that's a kinda sexy accent
When not sucking in the smoke in the streets, they were sucking in tobacco smoke. Or both at the same time. I pity the lungs of city-dwellers in those days.
At an environmental event, the man sitting in front completely blocked my view. During a break, I politely asked this tall, elegant, distinguished man with impeccable diction if we could switch seats. He kindly agreed. While joking about his 6'6" and my 5'2", he saw me finally recognize him. To avoid any awkwardness, he shook my hand and said, "Sorry! I didn't get your name. I'm James Cromwell." (Said with a twinkle in his eye.)
What exactly do you think underrated means? This show was considered one of the top ten shows on tv when it was running. The first season was nominated for 18 emmys. It won a golden globe for best series. The cast won the screen actors guild award. All five seasons got between 88% - 95% on rotten tomatoes. Even the soundtrack won a grammy. This show was wildly popular among viewers too. What do you mean by underrated?
@@reinarforeman6518 I understand it won a lot of awards but it was not talked about a lot loke a lot of the other popular shows. A lot of people I takes havnt never watched it.
His response would have been the same whether or not he had heard of him. Gives him the edge in the conversation that ensues by forcing Nucky to reveal more than he might otherwise if he were familiar with him. I assume that Mellon is aware of who Mr Thompson because it is to his advantage to know even the minor players in the game.
4:12 - 'You've brought some color to my day...' The same iconic line I use for those solar panel salespeople that constantly knock on my front door with their pitch, and I send them away.
Same goes for abstinence. It's a dumb and ineffective way of enforcing an archaic mentality. It's proven to be more disastrous at preventing teenage pregnancy rather than proper birth control education.
@@Reach1335 , Yep, it was the WCTU among others that drove the imposition of the prohibition amendment, 18th, which caused more crime and harm than prior to its passage. I am always concerned that the maternal instinct will override good economic sense. The economic damage done since women got the vote and have forced the loot A to satisfy B, commie/socialist welfare statism on Amerika is proof!
"bandits, fighting over a cut of the loot". Absolutely spot on! I also find it amazing how noticeably nervous Nucky is before addressing Mellon, trying to find a way of starting a conversation that's engaging enough, but, at the same time, won't bore Mellon. Nucky might run a city, but these guys are much bigger than that, and he knows it.
@@yxvm Apparently Mellon was a major businessman turned politician who became Secretary of the Treasury. The guy was extremely instrumental in reforming the federal taxation after WWI and even limited US debt during his time in office. The guy was literally hand in hand with several presidents and was pretty much the Businessman of The White House. So... Essentially... The dude was the money man for the government and influential on the very country itself. I could be wrong here, but he's one of those guys that has REAL power. Another quote from wikipedia is: Journalist William Allen White noted that "so completely did Andrew Mellon dominate the White House in the days when the Coolidge administration was at its zenith that it would be fair to call the administration the reign of Coolidge and Mellon."
Woosh. Mellon is considered one of the reasons for the great depression and one of the worst Secretary of the Treasury of all times. He is far worse than the people he is talking about and at least as criminal as Nucky.
breaking bad, sopranos, and the wire are imo the trifecta of television, but this show's characters, and how they change and how dynamic they are, is best in this category
Holy shit like look at the power Mellon exuthes simply by reading and being calm. Like the old saying there are two types of Men: Showouters and Gentlemen and Mellon is DEFINITELY a gentleman. He holds true power.
"Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents." -Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler
"War is a Racket" by Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler ought to be required reading in every school. Of course, if it was, the shape of US & indeed world politics would be transformed..
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I love this scene. Brilliant. You smell the money and power in the room.
@@theofficialphoenixtv5765 Mellon would probably hate Narcisse. The pomposity would have been epic but Narcisse being pompus to Mellon would have pissed Mellon. Look how careful Nucky has to be with his words to avoid offending Mellon. "Small business man, I'm sure you can understand"
"You may have heard of me. I killed Phil. Phil's brother did 20 years in the can. Now let me tell you a couple of three things regarding the Volstead act"
Andrew William Mellon (March 24, 1855 - August 26, 1937) was an American banker, businessman, industrialist, philanthropist, art collector, and politician. From the wealthy Mellon family of Pennsylvania, he established a vast business empire before transitioning into politics. He served as United States Secretary of the Treasury from March 9, 1921 to February 12, 1932, presiding over the boom years of the 1920s. He left office after the onset of the Great Depression, briefly serving as the United States Ambassador to the United Kingdom. A conservative Republican, Mellon lowered taxes and government spending in the aftermath of World War I.
@La Onda No, it was the Fed EXPANDING the money supply throughout the twenties that gave us the Great Depression. A boom brought about by creating money out of thin air, not backed by real savings, always leads to busts. And the Fed has been doing it now for quite some time too...
This is a demonstration of power, without using it. Nucky is a big fish in HIS OWN pond. Andrew Mellon lead the entire nation financially. All he had to do is wiggle his finger and Nucky would have two broken legs in a jail cell.
Most viewers misinterpret the end of this scene. No matter the answer... the notification towards the staff was inevitable due to it being a public place.
The moment Mellon asked "And you'd rectify this how?" Was the moment that Nucky should have offered him his number to talk more private, but since he continued talking, he ended up putting Mr Mellon in an bad position, since a man of his power could not be seen making this kind of deal, since it's an opportunity to blackmail or even to get him out of the way (notice how he treats the club as a retreat? It's because he knows that business should only concern those who play a part on it, otherwise, you'll be revealing your strategy to all your adversaries). Since he didn't, Mellon had to put on a show to garantee that everyone around can't concern Nucky as a hidden ace on his sleeve. Since the show didn't came to netflix on my country, i don't know how this plays out, but maybe if the deal is really good, Mellon would give him a call, but since i don't like to give thing to chance, i would've had sugested the opportunity to talk in private with him as soon as he showed me he was interested (the moment he calls the Prohibition a "Childs idea of moral" was the moment he let his guard down and then, his interest in how was the hint to take things to the next level)
They’re the same type of character. Incredibly wealthy men in sort of second-rate positions that clearly actually run everything. In the earlier seasons they emphasize that even national politics is just another racket filled with incapable dipshits, just like most the Westerosi royalty, but ppl like Mellon....
May 1st, 1776 is when the Illuminati came out. Look into it don't just spew ignorance when it is so easy these days to acquire info with the click of a button.
You mean the Masons...the Illuminati started within the Mason ranks. Thirteen mason members were all killed along time ago. The mason are the ones who created this country.
Makes sense to dismiss him like that. Agreeing to the deal where everyone can hear it is bad, even for someone like Mellon. But he definetly already made up his mind. Playing it like this just made sure nobody knows. Even Thompson thought he failed.
Love this scene. Such brilliance going on between the two of them. Nucky gets favor with him which is cool. JC is playing such a powerful character and only appeared very little. But man what a great scene. 1920's wealthy gentlemen relaxing at their country club. Awesome.
How is he underrated? Someone commented that this series was underrated, and now Steve? Besides the numerous awards and nominations, huge roles in iconic films and tv shows, being a household name and a net worth of 35 million dollars.... what exactly do you need him to be recognised for?
@@reinarforeman6518 when people say this what they're really saying is "I love this thing (in this case being an actor) not many people know about but people should know about it." , its a slight ego boast for them.
@@tylerphillips6523 I get it.... but Steve is a huge Hollywood actor. He's not exactly a cult figure. He's in block-busters and Sandler films. Highbrow and low.
Mellon, Morgan, Rockefeller, Carnegie. They had more money and power than the President of the United States. Someone like Thompson was a gnat to them.
Nucky Thompson is smart because his level of conversation he ends with a period than he reframes from ending with question for example he said “I hope you’ll allow me to say we”
There are people who are rich... and then there are people who are wealthy and worldly. Nucky was a smart man and could see the angles in the northeast; however Mellon was a global giant. There is always a bigger fish.
Excellent portrayal of a ruling entity,you can't buy that kind of attitude,takes a lot of experience,time and breeding,the actor I forget his name but he does do Authority,to a T.Speaking of which he's very talented.
"you may have heard of me Nucky Thompson...Board certified massage therapist"
from Wescallwhale
It's a place of business, not a Jack Lallane
@@dondajulah4168 somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
@@thatpart It's none of your fucking business what side of the bed I wake up on. Things have changed around here. I'm the boss of this fucking family.
Oh boy are you fat!
And if you watch the rest of this, he calls up Nucky and the deal goes down. Absolutely brilliant on both parts.
Mellon was testing him.
@@robyeone7976 or he's not moronic enough to agree to such a deal in public with countless witnesses. it's almost out of Nucky's character to be shocked by his inevitable response here
He did?i don’t remember that at all!
@@LKaramazov “then our intercourse...... is concluded”
@@trenttrip6205 I suppose that’s a quote from the show. Just for the record, I’m not saying it didn’t happen, just that I don’t remember, it’s been a while since I’ve seen it. I need to watch it again when I’m ready for the heartbreak.
James Cromwell has quietly had one of the best acting careers of the past few decades
Indeed, and hes outspoken against the weak ass oscars, hence why he receives zero spotlight by them
Sure the movie babe
That’ll do romil, that’ll do.
Your default bad guy actor.
@@phillipfry9765 He's good at everything.
"I won't take up much of your time." "Why would you take up ANY of it?"
People think that Mellon called him an interloper because he wanted to insult him.
He said that with authority and told the staff because he's probably paranoid enough to know that some of them are being paid as spies by his rivals to listen in on their conversation or that there are possibly journalists listening in on them. He also did it to remind Nucky of his place in the club, and establish a power hierarchy between them.
What a character.
Yes, Nucky picked up on it too which is why he let off some steam fighting Billy's friend
Agreed. he did it for many reasons but primarily to establish a fact of public rejection of anything that Nucky may or may not have said to him. Any accusations, however spurious, later on could be swiftly countered by the fact that melon refused whatever Nucky had to say to him and had him removed.
While it is true his mannerisms and stature may have been used to reinforce a hierarchy between them that he perceived necessary, I think it's absolutely clear that both of these men were Beyond mature enough that no insulting of any kind was needed.
Great assessment. Also because he was not a club member
*What a writer 😂
"Your sense of patriotism is offended?"
"Isn't yours?"
"I'm sorry, my responses are limited - You must ask the right question"
That will do babe.
Lmaooo and then will smith shows up
I was *wondering* why the phrase “ghost in the machine” flashed through my mind while watching this clip lml, thank you
I DID NOT MURDER HIM🤖
Nucky missed a great comeback at the end.
"This man is an interloper."
"And you, Mr Mellon, are a cantalouper." Kapow.
Zzzzziiiiiinnnngggggg
That would have been EPIC!🤣🤣🤣
You brought some color to my day, Mr. Gove, and I appreciate that.
it's all make believe, Hollywood baloney.
"Fuck you, James Cromwell! Fuck you!!"
This scene is fantastic. It really illustrates how smart Nucky was. He was fully aware of the fact that he was way out of his league here, yet in spite of that he conducted himself well enough to earn Mellon's favor in the end.
Nucky was amongst the most disciplined negotiators I have ever seen in film. He never took anything personally and always kept his cool, knowing that peoples responses werent always their actual responses. This public rejection gave way to a private acceptance. He was in fact in his league and Mellon recognized this by his collected response to the seemingly offensive response. Someone like Lucciano would have blown up like a petulant child. Lucciano would have been out of his league.
@@viralvidsrepository4632 well said
@@viralvidsrepository4632 love this thread, learned something about “public rejection”
Exactly! No one questions how Nucky even got in! A few choice words and uses Mellon to take out his enemies. I worship this series.
@@Bethune_Groundstaff Not sure if you have read much by Ayn Rand, but it's a good foundation for understanding motivations. When it comes to negotiation, we are presenting a value exchange. We must accept that a rejection is merely a lack of sufficient value communicated to convince someone to make an exchange. The person making the offer is a part of that value. Always look at it in economic terms and never let emotion enter the equation. Doing this allows for one to conduct themselves professionally at all times. In this case, Nucky was an unknown to Mellon. His personal value was zero. Although the business exchange was sufficient, the net negative of Nucky being unknown was enough to kill the deal. The manner in which Nucky conducted himself increased his value (built rapport). This added value and made the exchange worthwhile. In sales (life is sales, not just sales jobs specifically), the economic terms are usually easy to meet. It's the human factor that makes deals happen. If dollars and cents were the primary driver, accountants would make the best sales people. I have never met an accountant that could sell water in the desert.
I like how powerful Mellon is that he can talk so freely in front of the staff with a crook and not worry about being blackmailed.
An example of Mellon's power and influence; he was referred to as "the only Treasury Secretary under whom three Presidents served."
Blackmailing a guy of his position in that day and age was a good way of being conveniently found in a ditch a few months later. These rich guys have no problem using their wealth to rid themselves of their problems.
Probably because they know that if they fuck around, they will find out.
@@Hotdiggity11 As if that's still not done today? The only difference is today you "killed yourself" via 2 shots to the back of the head...
I knew his great great grandson - the Mellons still have lotsa 💰💰💰
The way Cromwell plays Melon reminds me of Tywin Lannister
he never will "get" Mr. Mellon. And you spelled it wrong.
The melon does not concern himself with the opinion of the peas!
Plus, he's tall as fuck.
He is the melon lord. All shall bow before him!
The Cantaloupes send their regards.
The real Andrew Mellon was a cold-blooded patrician. His response to the Great Depression was "Purge the System," in other words let the peasants die. Magnificently played here by James Cromwell who turns in another excellent performance.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrician
Where is the info from
I'd guess, given his predilections, his 'purge the system' referred to clearing out/slimming down the government and letting the private sector correct itself. However, I am only speculating, I could be wrong in proper context.
"Your sense of patriotism is offended?"
"Isn't yours?"
"That Enoch...is the right question..."
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism
I Roboted this refferrence
I understood that reference!
damn not a lot of iRobot references these days
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Amazing how the show builds Nucky up to be some kind of criminal mastermind, pulling strings everywhere, get treated like a small insect by those with real Power. Then you think about how insignificant the NJ crime scene is compared to running a nation.
Politicians and gangsters, what's the difference?
Politicians give themselves titles, medals, awards and pay rises. Gangsters go to jail. Thats the difference.
What they have in common is, if they're good at what they do, history remembers them.
@@thesunris Influence. Gangsters especially nowadays are only effective if they play ball with heavy-hitters akin to men like Mellon. Hell even most big cartels nowadays are on the fringe just waiting to get snuffed out either with time or action.
@@thesunrispolitical elites run the gangsters, not the other way around. There lies the difference and the rub.
@thesunris The difference is gangsters use dirty politicians as an excuse to justify their horrible existence.
Nucky is big in Atlantic City, but here he saw what true power is.
Is that why he two seconds later got the call?
Nucky is a 9 pound bass in a golf course pond, Mellon is a 30,000 pound whale shark in the south pacific
@ Alexi Barona -
Yeah, like Carnegie, Mellon was of Scottish descent.
But your instinct was accurate. Ulster Scots were even more Protestant than the WASPs. Still are.
reminds me of tom cruise meeting with sydney pollock in the billiards room in eye's wide shut.
@Jim Dandy but these elites still subscribe to the notion of European/Anglo Saxon dominance though.
See Carroll Quigley for details.
Also, notice how these elites still doggedly refuse to entertain meaningful dealings with African nations...even in the face of China & Russia aggressively courting said African continent's leadership.
The Anglo elites *_DO_* to subscribe to some sort of ruler-ship based on Anglo-originated precepts...even if they dont necessarily view those precepts with the same approach as the masses.
I think that was because of Nucky not being used to taking insults. Later on in the episode he says "You fucking Interloper" to the man in Billie Kent's apartment. Almost like he had to pass on the insult to someone else to feel better.
There's a lot of times where people repeat something somebody else told them on the series, the two that pop out in my head is when Al Capone told one of his men to grow up after being told it earlier in the episode, and when Jimmy repeated "not every insult requires a response." It's a good way to show what's going on inside of these people's heads.
@@AmericasComic that sounds a lot like david chase's style of writing actually, Sopranos was riddled with that
@@keithsstepdad they shared writers actually so yeah
You come in here with your mainline cashmere mousse coif hairspray and start being like a suburban tool
@@keithsstepdad i know seniors who are inspired!!!!!
That’s some beautiful writing in “A child’s version of morality”
That’s exactly what prohibition was 😂
The children being ovetzealous white women
It's adorable how Nucky is just awkwardly standing there, playing nervously with his fingers; that's not a side of him you get to see too often.
Beevenhouse As rich and powerful as Nucky is, he is nothing compared to the guys who run the country.
+Ted87 crooks meeting real crooks
Beevenhouse his nervousness is a sign of humility, that would make the secratary comfortable enough to do business with him, its a wise move on nuckys part
Beevenhouse his nervousness is a sign of humility, that would make the secratary comfortable enough to do business with him, its a wise move on nuckys part
This is spot on. As you said it's because he's meeting who the "real" crooks are. Nucky is small time compared to him.
I love this scene. James Cromwell breathes power here. Masterclass portrayal
I love how the writers of this show troll the main characters every now and then: as if saying, these goons are getting too cheeky now, we need to show them some humility.
That breadstick in a bowtie comment had me dying
Fun fact: James Cromwell is an alumnus of Carnegie Mellon University
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Mellon_University
I’m actually really glad to see someone say this. Under appreciated info.
Notice how Mr. Mellon simply gestures to those throughout the room. That's real power. He "enjoyed " Nucky Thomson's little pitch; even though he could've squashed him like a bug.
It’s kind of ironic how Nucky was the Treasurer and Mellon was Secretary of the Treasury but even with his $200 million and power as head of the Treasury Department, Nucky still got the better of him like he did with Rothstein. Mellon arrested Remus and forced Daugherty to resign and Nucky didn’t end up filling his part of the bargain but did get to use the distillery to bait Rothstein and got Daugherty to go down “lock, stock and whiskey barrel.”
You do know he was saying yes, right?
@@Michelle-ju6vs I mean, I get that but what’s your Insta ?
@@socallawrence what's your insta lmaooo 😄
@@Michelle-ju6vsI thought Nucky did fulfill his end of the bargain. He used it as bait to get Rothstein but what happened after that?
Small fish in the biggest pond. Nucky's discomfort is palpable. Great scene. Superb acting.
Health care companies today
They. Said this to me one day during contract negotiations
A child's idea for morality
an apt description.
as is this War on Drugs
Guardian Brown Not only that, but a great way to scare the soccer moms of America, expand the state and get more money.
And drug abuse is an adolescent's idea for morality.
@@guardianbrown2873 The War on Drugs was never about morality...
It takes balls to approach melon in this setting.
Hell yea approachin a puppeter like melon! Jesus its must be like facing the devil himself lol
It is easy to approach melon, after all it is just a large fruit. Approaching Secretary Mellon is another matter
@La Onda Take it easy there chief.
@La Onda they dont make westerns anymore? Is your old ass still living in the early 2000s? 2018 was the biggest year for the modern western.There have been many critically accalimed shows, movies even video games about westerns. What draws a lot of ppl to westerns is the outlaws, not the governent.
@La Onda flawed, but nice theory
James Cromwell's darkest character, being a United States Secretary of the Treasury.
I always liked ol' Stretch Cunningham.
I love the outside background of the city with its misty overview that you can see through the Club's big balcony portals. Evidently the Club is located many stories high over the city downtown, surrounded by other tall buildings but you can still perceive the city noise, the pollution in the air, and the cars outside down on the streets and how the misty sunlight hits the neighboring buildings giving this scene that old fashinon 'smell' in a setting portarying a private club during the 1920's.
Exactly...its like window to zeitgeist of early 20st century America. Almost like you can feel growing and vibrant american city outside, city of newcoming empire, growing power and Andrew Mellon represent that in person...its fantastic detail, fantastic scene
@@lukasustic752 Absolutely fasinating. This scene has it all. Everything that you mentioned about the rising Empire and the US climbing the last steps to reach this Everest to become the most dominant and industrialized country in the world. The path of hegemony. Amazing!
I love these old club leather chairs. This makes me think of having that certain smell when you walk into an older building and have that old wood smell.. of the floorboards. The mix between wood and leather would be very delightful aromataticaly.. the smell of old aged whiskey and cigar as it envelopes the upper atmosphere.. delightful
It's not really something you can get anymore, apart from some of the few places that have actually survived renovations. The only place I know of with that sort of scent and social climate is a German restaurant here in Houston. Haven't ever found it anywhere else.
@@Vistresian1941 yeah here in Australia I used to enjoy going to the old country towns that had the antique stores or antiquated historical buildings that had that atmospheric quality. I loved when crossing the threshold it was like stepping into a different time era. It wasn't just visually but the atmosphere within the place had that quality of the unknown. Sadly these days many homes have lost that quality as they now are pretty much all the same.. I myself used to love the older homes with the high ceilings or the pressed tin ceilings and the different mouldings used to decorate it.. creaking floor boards and mantlef fire places .. the kind of places you'd want to explore carefully because just what if... ( Like the homes in the famous five where if you ran your fingers in the right place or knocked on the wall to find the hollow you could find a secret passageway or secret nook or cranny..) the kind of places that excite the mind.
@@nowankersallowed2115 st paul's, Birmingham, UK. Freemasons I snook into last summer. That exact feeling.
@@zu1875lu haha you snook in? Are you sure apparently they don't exist like the me.. maybe it was all an illusion I thought snook was like a snog.. oh wait yeah the accent.. hmm Birmingham hey.. that's a kinda sexy accent
@@Vistresian1941 which restaurant my wife and I are in houston
That shot of the city out the window, smoke everywhere.
When not sucking in the smoke in the streets, they were sucking in tobacco smoke. Or both at the same time. I pity the lungs of city-dwellers in those days.
The power is palpable. Thompson's expertise at scoring his attention is a masterclass in persuasion.
James Cromwell can do no wrong! So underrated.
Guy was born to act!
A delight to watch
At an environmental event, the man sitting in front completely blocked my view. During a break, I politely asked this tall, elegant, distinguished man with impeccable diction if we could switch seats. He kindly agreed. While joking about his 6'6" and my 5'2", he saw me finally recognize him. To avoid any awkwardness, he shook my hand and said, "Sorry! I didn't get your name. I'm James Cromwell." (Said with a twinkle in his eye.)
I do not think there is one cast member in this whole show that was not specifically chosen....just brilliance in every aspect.
One of my favorite actors. I love him in roles of power like this. He plays them to the part so well.
If Charles Dance doesn't play Tywin Lannister I recruit James Cromwell for the role.
Probably the most underrated show of all time absolutely amazing. The acting and the work put into this show is incredible.
What exactly do you think underrated means?
This show was considered one of the top ten shows on tv when it was running. The first season was nominated for 18 emmys. It won a golden globe for best series. The cast won the screen actors guild award. All five seasons got between 88% - 95% on rotten tomatoes. Even the soundtrack won a grammy.
This show was wildly popular among viewers too.
What do you mean by underrated?
@@reinarforeman6518 I understand it won a lot of awards but it was not talked about a lot loke a lot of the other popular shows. A lot of people I takes havnt never watched it.
@@markcatanese3608 well that's just not true. It was very popular with viewers 🤦♂️
It's definitely underrated. All I hear ppl talk about is Sopranos, Peaky Blinders... imo Boardwalk is better
@@ZChronicNebula sopranos and boardwalk are the best shows i have ever watched peak blinders comes in number 2
Interloper- A person who interferes or meddles in the affairs of others.
If you intrude on people without their permission.
"My name is Enoch Thompson, you may have heard of me..."
*blank stare*
"...or not"
=)
+baxatak With Nucky being a former United States Treasurer he must've heard of him
He's just the treasurer of Atlantic County. Not even state level.
And a major bootlegger, offering to make
him a lot of $ for a a phone call blessing :)
His response would have been the same whether or not he had heard of him. Gives him the edge in the conversation that ensues by forcing Nucky to reveal more than he might otherwise if he were familiar with him. I assume that Mellon is aware of who Mr Thompson because it is to his advantage to know even the minor players in the game.
Alleyup1994USA when you say pussy, do you mean pussy, or pussssy.
4:12 - 'You've brought some color to my day...'
The same iconic line I use for those solar panel salespeople that constantly knock on my front door with their pitch, and I send them away.
I use it whenever I come across black people.
@@cgh7337 And you can go fuck yourself for thinking that you're clever when you're really just racist.
@@kevp6488 whoa, what's wrong with calling someone by their color?
@@kevp6488 Look at this virtue signaling clown practically tripping over himself to get offended on behalf of others over nothing
@ Kev P
He's clearly not racist.
A real racist wouldn't even canoodle with black people, never mind come across them.
Just goes to show, there's always someone with more power.
YUP， then you are the fed chair or General Secretary of the Chiniese Communist Party
James Cromwell was great in this. Absolutely no question about who's in charge.
Prohibition is a child's idea of morality..
Women's.
Same goes for abstinence. It's a dumb and ineffective way of enforcing an archaic mentality. It's proven to be more disastrous at preventing teenage pregnancy rather than proper birth control education.
@@Reach1335 , Yep, it was the WCTU among others that drove the imposition of the prohibition amendment, 18th, which caused more crime and harm than prior to its passage. I am always concerned that the maternal instinct will override good economic sense. The economic damage done since women got the vote and have forced the loot A to satisfy B, commie/socialist welfare statism on Amerika is proof!
@@@jsong768, Use of political force/violence is a bad thing; it is pure evil; it is not Christian.
prohibition was a good idea. america today is drowning in debauchery and its sad to see. opioid epidemic, alcoholism, porn addiction etc you name it.
“I won’t take much of your time..”
“why would you take up any of it?”
*chefs kiss*
"bandits, fighting over a cut of the loot". Absolutely spot on!
I also find it amazing how noticeably nervous Nucky is before addressing Mellon, trying to find a way of starting a conversation that's engaging enough, but, at the same time, won't bore Mellon. Nucky might run a city, but these guys are much bigger than that, and he knows it.
Lol found the fascist.
@@Petey0707 Then you just found something worth more than your whole life.... Comrade.
Who is Mellon and why is he important?
@@yxvm Apparently Mellon was a major businessman turned politician who became Secretary of the Treasury. The guy was extremely instrumental in reforming the federal taxation after WWI and even limited US debt during his time in office. The guy was literally hand in hand with several presidents and was pretty much the Businessman of The White House. So... Essentially... The dude was the money man for the government and influential on the very country itself. I could be wrong here, but he's one of those guys that has REAL power. Another quote from wikipedia is: Journalist William Allen White noted that "so completely did Andrew Mellon dominate the White House in the days when the Coolidge administration was at its zenith that it would be fair to call the administration the reign of Coolidge and Mellon."
Woosh. Mellon is considered one of the reasons for the great depression and one of the worst Secretary of the Treasury of all times. He is far worse than the people he is talking about and at least as criminal as Nucky.
“A child’s idea of morality”
What a smart line
One of the best parts of this show was always the dialogue. As seen in this scene. Gold.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold
breaking bad, sopranos, and the wire are imo the trifecta of television, but this show's characters, and how they change and how dynamic they are, is best in this category
Holy shit like look at the power Mellon exuthes simply by reading and being calm. Like the old saying there are two types of Men: Showouters and Gentlemen and Mellon is DEFINITELY a gentleman. He holds true power.
"Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
-Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler
Wow.
"War is a Racket" by Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler ought to be required reading in every school. Of course, if it was, the shape of US & indeed world politics would be transformed..
I love this scene. Brilliant. You smell the money and power in the room.
Love when nucky uses the line later on that guy in his girls apartment..
“Fucking interloper”
This show is amazingly written
Would have love to seen Narcisse interact with Mellon. The pomposity would have been epic.
Narcisse was black he wouldn't have been allowed in the building much less speak to someone like Mellon
Justin B I'm sure Mellon wouldn't of minded. Just like Rockefeller was welcoming of Madam CJ Walker living next door to him
@@theofficialphoenixtv5765 Mellon would probably hate Narcisse. The pomposity would have been epic but Narcisse being pompus to Mellon would have pissed Mellon. Look how careful Nucky has to be with his words to avoid offending Mellon. "Small business man, I'm sure you can understand"
The subtle acting here is amazing, notice how hunched Nucky is. He looks too small for the chair, as if he's a child masquerading as an adult.
"You may have heard of me. I killed Phil. Phil's brother did 20 years in the can. Now let me tell you a couple of three things regarding the Volstead act"
Take a walk in there !
"My name is Enoch Thompson. You've may have heard of me."
Response: *Blank stare*
Nucky talking to the real power players
I love these scenes in this series. A villain meets a Supervillain. Narcisse and Hoover is another one.
Guys like Andrew Mellon own the world, they would never even spend a moment talking with a peon like Nucky Thompson.
Andrew William Mellon (March 24, 1855 - August 26, 1937) was an American banker, businessman, industrialist, philanthropist, art collector, and politician.
From the wealthy Mellon family of Pennsylvania, he established a vast business empire before transitioning into politics.
He served as United States Secretary of the Treasury from March 9, 1921 to February 12, 1932, presiding over the boom years of the 1920s.
He left office after the onset of the Great Depression, briefly serving as the United States Ambassador to the United Kingdom.
A conservative Republican, Mellon lowered taxes and government spending in the aftermath of World War I.
Andrew Mellon led USA straight into The Great Depression. He may not have pulled the trigger, but he certainly held the door open.
Sounds like Mellon wrote it himself!!
RetroGuy76 yep
@La Onda No, it was the Fed EXPANDING the money supply throughout the twenties that gave us the Great Depression. A boom brought about by creating money out of thin air, not backed by real savings, always leads to busts.
And the Fed has been doing it now for quite some time too...
lol. people always wanna complicate things with words. he printed money until it wasn't worth anything. he laid the foundation for a false economy.
Easily one of the best TV shows ever made.
This is a demonstration of power, without using it. Nucky is a big fish in HIS OWN pond. Andrew Mellon lead the entire nation financially. All he had to do is wiggle his finger and Nucky would have two broken legs in a jail cell.
Nucky later calls some guy an interloper in the episode.
Nucky never had the makings of a varsity athlete
Love the disdain and hypocrisy from the upper levels.Absolutly ruthless,but classy, upper classy.
Enoch Thompson has no respect for this thing. He’s never been in this club, not really.
He breaks more rules than the Catholic Church.
Most viewers misinterpret the end of this scene. No matter the answer... the notification towards the staff was inevitable due to it being a public place.
You have brought some color to my day and I do appreciate that
"you brought some color to my day" is a line I'm gonna steal. Sounds much more poetic than "p*** off"
That’s a great outside backdrop. Looks actual-a hot and hazy summer day in downtown Philadelphia
My name is Tony Egg. You may have heard of me.
HAHAHA
That place does look pretty cozy
4:34 old man was ready to put work in.
I love the scene after this where Nucky beats up “whosebeenfartin” at Billie’s place and he calls him an *’Interloper’* 😂
The moment Mellon asked "And you'd rectify this how?" Was the moment that Nucky should have offered him his number to talk more private, but since he continued talking, he ended up putting Mr Mellon in an bad position, since a man of his power could not be seen making this kind of deal, since it's an opportunity to blackmail or even to get him out of the way (notice how he treats the club as a retreat? It's because he knows that business should only concern those who play a part on it, otherwise, you'll be revealing your strategy to all your adversaries).
Since he didn't, Mellon had to put on a show to garantee that everyone around can't concern Nucky as a hidden ace on his sleeve.
Since the show didn't came to netflix on my country, i don't know how this plays out, but maybe if the deal is really good, Mellon would give him a call, but since i don't like to give thing to chance, i would've had sugested the opportunity to talk in private with him as soon as he showed me he was interested (the moment he calls the Prohibition a "Childs idea of moral" was the moment he let his guard down and then, his interest in how was the hint to take things to the next level)
Mellon does give him a call later, you are correct - he had to pretend he wanted nothing to do with him to avoid suspicion.
Good point
Christ it's a tv show. It done for the benefit of the audience.
Not many people would respond favorably to an offer to the effect of, "I can make you a hypocrite".
@@nathand4500 oh u poor simple mind
Cromwell is pure class in this scene.
See La Confidential he's great in that as well
This man is an interloper..and is out of his element.
James Cromwell's interpretation of Andrew Mellon is strikingly similar to Charles Dance's interpretation of Tywin Lannister.
They’re the same type of character. Incredibly wealthy men in sort of second-rate positions that clearly actually run everything. In the earlier seasons they emphasize that even national politics is just another racket filled with incapable dipshits, just like most the Westerosi royalty, but ppl like Mellon....
Nucky meets a card carrying member of the Illuminati
yes they were dumbass. look it up it started during the French revolution age of enlightenment era.
May 1st, 1776 is when the Illuminati came out. Look into it don't just spew ignorance when it is so easy these days to acquire info with the click of a button.
You're a fucking idiot, cur.
You mean the Masons...the Illuminati started within the Mason ranks. Thirteen mason members were all killed along time ago. The mason are the ones who created this country.
No, he's member of the group that the Illuminati complain about running everything behind the scenes.
"This is meant to be a retreat."
The delivery of this line captures the anxiety of being in a huge position during a volatile market so well. Bravo.
Mellon was as big a criminal as any bootlegger. He was conveniently shifted out to an ambassadorship to avoid impeachment.
yea but Mellon doesn't view it like that. People like Mellon view themselves as above "street crime". Street crime is something peasants do.
Makes sense to dismiss him like that. Agreeing to the deal where everyone can hear it is bad, even for someone like Mellon.
But he definetly already made up his mind. Playing it like this just made sure nobody knows. Even Thompson thought he failed.
Love this scene. Such brilliance going on between the two of them. Nucky gets favor with him which is cool. JC is playing such a powerful character and only appeared very little. But man what a great scene. 1920's wealthy gentlemen relaxing at their country club. Awesome.
Yet more reasons Steve Buschemi is the most underrated actor of all time.
I don't think I have ever seen him in a role I didn't enjoy.
How is he underrated?
Someone commented that this series was underrated, and now Steve?
Besides the numerous awards and nominations, huge roles in iconic films and tv shows, being a household name and a net worth of 35 million dollars.... what exactly do you need him to be recognised for?
@@reinarforeman6518 when people say this what they're really saying is "I love this thing (in this case being an actor) not many people know about but people should know about it." , its a slight ego boast for them.
@@tylerphillips6523 I get it.... but Steve is a huge Hollywood actor. He's not exactly a cult figure. He's in block-busters and Sandler films. Highbrow and low.
You can smell the money in the room...
Melon was the true example of an card carrying illuminati member
Great dialogue and excellent acting
Mellon, Morgan, Rockefeller, Carnegie. They had more money and power than the President of the United States. Someone like Thompson was a gnat to them.
he's not a bootlegger, he's involved in the small business of "circumvention of the Volstead act". sounds so nice
Nucky Thompson is smart because his level of conversation he ends with a period than he reframes from ending with question for example he said “I hope you’ll allow me to say we”
In so many ways this is one of the best and most important scenes in the entire series.
Nicky: My name is Enoch Thompson, perhaps you've heard of me.
Mellon: continues staring
Nicky: or not.
Lol I love that interaction
Just realized the other day that James Cromwell played Stretch Cunningham on All in the Family. Wow!
Oh shit! Yes he did!
There are people who are rich... and then there are people who are wealthy and worldly. Nucky was a smart man and could see the angles in the northeast; however Mellon was a global giant. There is always a bigger fish.
is that why he got outplayed by nucky
@@whatdidyoudotomydrink2850 you're right
Lobbying 101: When cornered, approach a bigger authority in command
To think this man said "a childs idea of morality" and then glued his hands to a Starbucks countertop.
Excellent portrayal of a ruling entity,you can't buy that kind of attitude,takes a lot of experience,time and breeding,the actor I forget his name but he does do Authority,to a T.Speaking of which he's very talented.
Especially at warp 1.
James Cromwell, he also was wonderful as Captain Dudley Smith in L.A. Confidential
One of the most powerful scenes in the series.
Mellon's takes were spot on.
Gotta say one of those rich men “retreats” looks fucking dope. Like a library with a bar
I wish Charles dance was in this show. That would have been awesome
Nucky never had the makings of a varsity interloper.
Mellon shoulda said "That'll do pig" and sent Nucky on his way.
The sheer elegance of this scene. :)
You’re sense of patriotism is offended Mr. Thompson 😂
All these years I didn't know that Andrew W. Mellon is Uncle Jr Sopranos.
He isnt but Uncle Jr is in the show, he plays one of Jimmys and the Commodores advisors