less* You have full situational awareness with glasses. A lot less with screens that constantly has you multitasking and looking down/away from what you’re doing.
@@Machiavelli2pc Most people have been so absorbed in thought that they weren't watching were they were going. I don't think you realize how limit our attention is.
IMO, they are working on a Pokemon Go 2.0 for sure, Niantic the creators of it, is also busy with AR glasses and released a cool demo for Quest 3, called Hello, Dot. Wich also has berries and all, so think its clear to say. It will be there :D
"I don't know the exact details of every layer of that optical stack..." Explains every layer in detail and how the optics recombine in the final layer LOL
Okay but the metamaterials go very very deep. I wanna understand the details but I'm pretty sure the details details aren't gonna be available like that
@@phmfthacim you might be able to get your hands on schematics if you try hard enough. Or you might find info about materials and concepts from universities.
I haven't touched these, but I have been paying close attention to AR development for a long long time. This is the first product I've seen that gives me hope that AR will actually be available and mainstream within my lifetime. Quite amazing. Hats off to Meta.
@@edwardfletcher7790at absolute worst you have a small power brick in your pocket. That’s really not an awful tradeoff for something that was literally impossible until very recently
@@edwardfletcher7790 yes it’s also not a product yet. If it truly winds up being that big of a problem they will add a port and allow people to plug in external power
@@PrinceJesI’m pretty sure they will be around the same price as flagship phones (so 1000-1500, depending on the specs). But it will definitely take some time for that, hopefully just a couple of years.
I dont know. With the latency of the remote computing... People complain about apples 15ms refresh rate (60Hz) but cheer for 200 ms latency orion glasses. People get headeaches in headsets with 30 ms.
Norm seriously does the best interviews. His questions are perfectly formed to both be encouraging to the subject but also prompt for the most informative answers. And most of all he covers the questions that real people who are interested in these products would want to know. Like this was the case when he interviewed the guy who owns the minis shop about paints and is just as true for something as technologically advanced as the Orions. I seriously cant express enough how much i enjoy watching Norm interviewing people because it leaves me with every answer i would have wanted had i been doing the interview myself.
You should read more hard sci-fi the theories behind the technology have been around since the ‘50s were just now technology advanced enough to test and deliver
Silicon carbide is nothing new, but nano-thickness layers of it with nano-scale etching is definitely pretty cutting edge. (Note, not silicone - that's a polymer)
The first sci-fi novel with AR glasses as a central element was (aptly named) "Virtual Light" by William Gibson. It came out in 1993, 31 years ago. If you look up the cover on Google Images, the glasses do look quite similar to Orion. Just the frame is a little slimmer.
@@SsjHokage I didn't mean to get into the things presaged in sci fi. That's a huge conversation. I've read tons of the old sci fi, I read *Dune* book by book as they came out. I was just making minor comment on the coolness of the phrase.
This guy just straight spitting actual bars with how many things he was saying about the complexity of the device was truly inspiring. I can easily tell he knew a deep knowledge about all the problems and challenges that the teams needed to face!
Thanks Norm and the Tested team for producing this video. I believe the neural interface stuff is the most killer idea in this whole space, and in a long time. Would work on that.
Just last week I was showing off the Rayban Metas to a couple friends and the most common sentiment was “I wish they had a display”. I told them “I’m sure it’ll happen sooner than we think”. And here it is! Can’t wait for the consumer model 😍
Thank you so much for bringing your voice to these reviews. I've watched hours of Orion content and this is the only one that gets into any technical detail like the layers of the optics, presence of cameras on the puck, and the IR emitters for eye tracking
As someone who wears Bluetooth glasses with prescription lenses, I'm incredibly hype, the price tag might put it out of my range today, but time is on my side.
@MichaelSverdlin Soundcore Frames sound great, are small enough for people not to notice that they are smart glasses. You can use voice control as well to play, stop, skip track, etc. They are £70 on Amazon UK, which is an absolute steal.
Best coverage of the Orion by far. Thank you for diving into all the nerdy details, all the other videos and articles and videos I've seen only scratch the surface. Projections has always been the best resource for info on new VR/AR tech.
Between this, llama and the quest line I've really been liking what meta puts out lately. They seem one of the few companies these days with a clear roadmap towards making a sci-fi future reality.
I've been saying for a long time that AR glasses like this that can give us effectively a HUD is the future. This is where we've been heading and I'm SUPER glad we're seeing this come to fruition. Hopefully Meta makes a consumer version soon.
Ok the tech in this is genuinely incredible but also "Wear an internet connected device, made by facebook, that notices and remembers details of your life down to where you put your keys" is an absolutely terrifying concept. Never gonna get one until the tech becomes common enough to be open source or at least cloud-disconnected in like 50 years lmao.
You already wear something in your pocket and wrist which does the majority of this, though its probably by Apple or Google, in addition to any apps you've given permission to this information. So its not really a concern, unless you're advocating for total smartphone death.
@@sethoz22 The type of person concerned about these kinds of things has probably already gone to great lengths to make their smartphone less privacy-invasive. (and they certainly wouldn't be wearing an apple watch)
@@SchmooYummi Apple is a device company - they make their money (still) by selling primarily phones. Someone far smarter and more interested than I did a dive into the FCC filings and figured that something like 60-80% of Apple revenue comes from just iphone sales. Facebook (it's not "meta" any more than Twitter is "x") is an advertising company. They make money by monetizing the sale of access to their users. Apple is evil, to be sure, but they've also staked a huge portion of their entire brand identity on privacy. They can't sell that out and survive. Their price premiums won't be justifiable if that one major differentiator goes away. I don't trust Apple, no, but I trust Facebook and Google a whole FUCKofalot less.
@@sethoz22 Your implication that all or even "many" people wear smartwatches says more about who you are as a person than an autobiography would. I don't think I've seen someone wear a smartwatch in ages, and I'd laugh them out of the room if I did. One of the most useless devices ever invented.
@@sethoz22 to back up Schmoo Yummi, you think I wear a fucking smartwatch? Also my phone doesn't identify the location of everything in my house, can't tell me where I left my keys, and I'm currently migrating off of Google Photos so it can't scan my shit anymore. I want nothing more than a phone with user controlled, open source firmware, hardware designed for repair, and readily available parts. This is fully within reach, would make the world significantly better, and doesn't happen because it'd cut into Google and Apple's profit margins. There is no feature in any phone from the past 5 years I've felt I needed, we could be optimizing for sustainability, repairability, and user control, but they just give us some more megapixels so they can give us something with significantly more planned obsolescence and parts pairing bullshit. Till then I'll wait till my phone kills itself for real and then see if I can find a flip-phone or something that can do the things I'm required to have a phone for by school and work and shit. Also, I hate app permissions in the ways they are required and abused, but I do avoid data collection/content serving algorithms as much as possible. I have a plugin that makes me only able to access the chronological subscriber mode on youtube, and only use tumblr in fully chronological mode as my only social media lmao. None of this makes me better than anyone I just really fucking detest the state of the world and wanna keep my privacy.
Can you imagine communicating with a deaf person with this? The glasses translate the signs for a hearing person and the glasses create holographic signing hands for a deaf person. Bit like that tech in the TV show Echo.
Fantastic deep dive, this is the only video I’ve watched where I came away from it feeling like I actually knew everything I wanted to know about the technology, and where it’s currently at. Thank you for the work you put into researching this!
Thank you for the long form video breaking it down and discussing it! You didn't talk about it like a product but the concept that it is now and where it can go. I can definitely tell you're excited about this tech just like a lot of us are.
I haven’t been this excited about any tech since the first quest. I can see myself really using these, especially if there is some way to do a minor pass through so I don’t need reading glasses.
@@Thezuule1 it won't. Just like smartphones since the iphone x launched, the price will only go up and people will rationalize it. Before the iphone x , a 1000$ smartphone was still an INSANE idea. Now 1300$ is the standard, and foldeables are trying to raise that bar up to 2000$. This product will never be worth buying. Cool, but I got a phone. Until those glasses LOOK like normal glasses, there's no need for them. It's just a technological showcase. VR had it's time. And people got tired of it quickly. You can get a vr headset for 100$ used on facebook marketplace. Glasses or not, nothing's gonna make people interested in vr like we were 5 years ago.
If it's 10k to make, they really need to figure out reduction on that beforehand, because meta can't sell these at a loss of $8500-$9,000 just for consumers lol, that could end bad for them financially 😂
i love seeing "before GTA 6" memes and comments. it would be hilarious, if when the game is finally released, Rockstar called it GTA7. "WTF we got GTA7 before GTA6"
This is the AR I've envisaged since childhood. From day one I wanted to invest in magic leap because I thought they'd be the ones to do it, (I never did)... but they sort of gave up. I hope Meta with all their money can pull though and make this a reality!
WOW meta killed it on this project!!! They have created something that is so far ahead of the curve in every way possible And also is so far ahead of every other product like it by leaps and bounds. This guy In the video seems to have headed up the team of people who actually made this thing happen. I don't know who he is. I don't know if he is a well-known person or not. But after this, he most certainly should be because any one of the brand new technologies they came up with would be a major triumph let alone all of them and then successfully integrating them into seemingly seamless working homogeneous product, should get a promotion, a huge raise and whatever else he wanted. I'd be interested to see how they are planning on mass producing this product. I wonder how long we'll have to wait. Zuckerberg must be pretty confident that other companies are not going to be able to bring something to market of comparable incredibleness.and scope seeing as they just gave the world a look at all of the new technologies they have come up with...If metta is successful in mass production, which I'm confident they will be, and bringing this to marvel to market, even if it is unaffordable to the average person they will definitely reach a new level of success!!!
Man thats SO much work. They had to make a custom protocol so they could just send data in batches so the radio wouldn't fry the glasses? Seriously impressive. Im sure the team is thrilled to see their baby out in the world.🎉
I’ve just seen the Meta Orion AR glasses, and honestly, they’re like a high-tech mash-up of the Two Ronnies’ specs and those old-school NHS glasses! You know, the kind of chunky frames that look like they could take a beating but now with holograms popping up wherever you look! Meta's Orion glasses are supposedly super advanced, but looking at them, you can’t help but think they’ve got the same sort of thick rims and bulky build as those classic NHS glasses. Sure, they’re slimmer than something like the Vision Pro, but they’ve still got that ‘two TV screens strapped to your face’ vibe going on! It’s funny because they’ve packed so much futuristic tech into them, but all I can think of is how much they remind me of those hefty old specs we used to laugh about. Meta calls them a "time machine," but with how thick those frames are, it feels more like they’re bringing back the past! If these ever hit the streets, people will be walking around looking like a sci-fi version of the Two Ronnies.
Thanks Norm! Just wanted to say that I have watched your tested content for awhile. And before that, I remember seeing your name in PC Gamer! Good times. We've sure come a long way!
As excited as I am about the potential of seeing AR glasses soon-ish, I'm not sure if I want an AI, that is probably run on the cloud, that can remember where I put my keys or see everything I see. Hopefully using that feature will be strictly optional...
Quick note. I am so glad he mentioned that there is a difference between the needs and desires of me and vr. It’s good to hear them respect those differences
As someone that has Aphantasia, ADHD, and absolutely terrible memory issues, some sort of AI personal assistant that can keep track of and record things would be a Godsend. I've been telling my family for years that I want cameras in my eyeballs and memory augmentation.
You are literally describing that one Black Mirror episode lol I think it’s called “the entire history of you”, you should definitely watch it if you haven’t already.
Everyone running around looking like Roy Orbison would be hilarious. I’m ready for easily wearable AR though. I’d love to fight Dragons by my swimming pool and catch Pokemon.
God I missed Tech videos from These guy’s. Good to see more such content and it looks like they are going back to their roots. I wish the whole gang hops back into videos and being back the podcasts
But can the compute puk instead be an iphone running an app from Meta using all the hardware power of the phone and/or the cloud computing in meta through the app? Don´t we carry already a compute puk anyway?
When Google and apple come out with their versions, the phone will act as the puck. But meta will prob turn theirs into a glasses case which doubles as a charger
It’s running a custom wireless protocol presumably operating outside the capabilities of consumer phones. Also likely not FCC approved and possibly a little toasty to neurons.
I’m actually most excited about this project from Meta. I absolutely love their VR stuff and they’ve proved themselves with that, but VR/AR can be so much more than gaming. And I’m here for that
The technical side of this is really cool but I can't see this being something people actually buy until we solve the problem of having always-on cameras pointing at everyone around you without their consent
@@kirby21-xz4rx No they don't. Honestly, considering how many comments say the exact same BS, I'm not sure y'all aren't just ALL bots. But for anyone else reading this, smartphones can't see shit when they're pointed at the floor or in your pocket. These things will scan every person you make eye contact with, and probably everyone you share a sidewalk with too.
@@kirby21-xz4rx phone cameras aren't always-on as in recording and always pointed at others. Sure you CAN hold up your phone to record everyone around you, but it's not something most people will put up with for an extended period of time.
This is amazing! There are obvious solutions to this but the world-tracked windows have me imagining "ahh crap I left that tab floating in the park yesterday gotta go get it" 😂
Very impressive. Finally got a meta quest 3 and I am very impressed with it, especially the pass through. To have something even better in a smaller form factor is crazy. Looking forward to see what they end up shipping.
I want these to exist and be good. I don’t want them tied to the Meta/Facebook/Instagram mess. Therefore I won’t buy them. But thanks for the review, it’s interesting for sure.
I picked up a glass on ebay years ago, it was great for the time but it was too far ahead for it's time, people were worried about privacy and it ended up getting band in pubs and restaurants, most people that knew what it was would asked for a go and to make sure I was not recording, now that we have given away our privacy theses things will take off.
So he will be wearing a technological marvel on his face powered by holograms and advanced AI ... but the first use case he thinks of as an example is to remind him where he left his KEYS ... 🤔
eh, this is simple advertising. Appealing to a broad demographic with a problem I'd wager just about everyone has faced. If you start out with the advanced AR things it can do, it may turn off people who don't like it or are borderline adopters of the tech. But finding lost keys, "It's for everyone".
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 Yea but I mean if they become mass-produced... I would be fine with paying another 150-200 bucks for getting much more accurate hand tracking on my q3 if it works as well as they say it does LOL.
@@zechenwei1139 Don't stop there. You know how gun stocks for FPS games suck because you have to use controllers with them and it becomes cumbersome and tedious? Well, grab whatever object you want, scan it and track it with computer vision, use the wristband for button input. 3d print anything you want, use it as a controller. 2 handed swords hilt, pistol, rifle, a steering wheel, or just use a vibrator as a joystick for flight sims. It's the true potential of hand tracking that hasn't been realized yet because of the simple stupid reason of you not being able to get reliable button input while holding an object with the current methods for hand tracking (problems like occlusion).
I want augmented reality fps games with my friends… where raising your hand as a pistol 👈🏻 emedetiately puts you in the game… overlays your in game weapon over your hand… it would be ‘the assasination’ game and can contain every person wearing the same device in your emediate surroundings (open game mode) or alternatively allows you to set up private games between your friends. You’ll have things like grenades, knives, pistols, explosives you can hide in rooms and use timers for or remote detonators… those can ofcourse be dismantled by skilled players that find them before they blow up… The ‘augmented’ sky is the limit! Make it happen Meta!
As amazing as these are, my first thought was unfortunately still from a point of mistrust: Imagine the profiling they can do on you based on what you're looking at!
They will have to address the privacy issue. Hopefully as they transition to AR/MR, they can switch to a product company, instead of 'your data is our product" company.
@@danilog590 "your data is our product" -company makes a wearable device capable of measuring exactly how long you look at which items/ads and can build a profile on you updated in real time. Surely one of the most greedy companies wouldn't capitalize on that right?
@mowkikowski Exactly, Mark Zuckerberg has never experimented on people using Facebook to force suggest negative posts to people who have had depression.
I don't see it. The vast majority of people do the one thing they need to do on their phone and put it back down. wearing glasses all day doesn't make a whole lot of sense and getting the battery life to point where that could even be done is a long way down the road. This device would be very niche in its current form, it needs three separate devices to work.
You ask such incredibly pertinent questions and have such strong insight and observations, how have these companies not picked you up as an employee yet!
I said a long time ago that meta should have come out with a phone of their own to offload some of the processing power needed in headsets…if they would have done that there would be no need for the puck and they would have probably also come out with a watch by now, in which they could have incorporated the neurotransmitter and all you would need is the pair of glasses, a phone and a watch. 3 items that I happen to have on me at all times anyway. Apple could be ahead of the game if they make similar glasses because they already have a phone and watch in their ecosystem.
@@Thezuule1 I actually heard about that in another video after I made this post… would have been cool though to have their own little ecosystem, so that they don’t have to build pucks and wristbands.
Now they just need to keep iterating and improving and bringing the cost down and one day we'll be buying these in the shops. If we can get VR/MR glasses down to roughly this size too, boy is that going to be magical. BUT, one thing I just have to have going forward is FAR FAR FAR more field of view. Even the Quest 3's field of view is just nowhere near enough at this point imo. I want a least 140 degrees in any headset I even think about buying in the future. That, more than just about any other factor right now, is the thing they simply need to greatly improve for me. Anyway, it's exciting to see this VR/AR/MR/XR technology evolving. Amazing really. PS. Apple actually has a bit of a future advantage with something like this, because it could build the wrist thing into future Apple Watches and solve that problem pretty easily there, and then just have the glasses as an additional peripheral that allows you to view the information in a different way from looking at the watch. So, the future version would be the Apple Watch plus the Apple Glasses, and sorted. So maybe in the future all smartwatches would have to have this control sensing built in, and then XR companies could just use whatever smartwatch from any manufacturer as an additional wrist controller.
@@isaacholzwarth the aren't up for retail, we won't see these on the market for 5 years. In that time who knows what breakthroughs meta is going to figure out on reduction of cost.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 yes I know, I'm just saying that if you take that into account these cost a good deal more than 2x what it costs to make apple vision. You can't compare the retail price of apple vision to the manufacturing cost of these. You have to compare manufacturing price to manufacturing price, meaning that these are probably 10x more expensive than the vision pros are to manufacture. That's all I'm saying.
@@isaacholzwarthremember when computers could only be owned by institutions due to cost. This is the first iteration of its kind. They’ll find ways to cut the costs
I am 100% convinced that AR is valuable to provide in-view instructions to a technician fixing complex machinery. It's a small market, sure. But that still has to be bigger than "I can afford AR glasses, but need help making a smoothie."
This video is a thousand times better than any other press video that's covered the Orions! So much detail! Thank you Norm!!!!
Totally. 👍
because this guy is way better at explaining things than Zuck
Totally agree, I'm not even watching other AR/VR reviews anymore, it's much more efficient to wait for Norm's video.
Also, I miss the Tested podcast in weeks like these 😥
Norm always, always delivers!
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shudup and take my money!
One thing is for sure Apple will claim they invented it and their fans will believe it.
Can you imagine if we had had these when Pokemon Go released?
There woud've been oh so, so, so much more pedestrian-related traffic accidents....
less* You have full situational awareness with glasses. A lot less with screens that constantly has you multitasking and looking down/away from what you’re doing.
@@Machiavelli2pc Most people have been so absorbed in thought that they weren't watching were they were going. I don't think you realize how limit our attention is.
one day... one day... 😩😩😩
IMO, they are working on a Pokemon Go 2.0 for sure, Niantic the creators of it, is also busy with AR glasses and released a cool demo for Quest 3, called Hello, Dot. Wich also has berries and all, so think its clear to say. It will be there :D
This is legit one of the most informative tech vids I’ve seen in a long time. Excellent work.
Thank you so much for the support and comment!
Wow, thanks for the kind words!
Unbox Therapy? Don't you trust him?
"I don't know the exact details of every layer of that optical stack..." Explains every layer in detail and how the optics recombine in the final layer LOL
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Okay but the metamaterials go very very deep. I wanna understand the details but I'm pretty sure the details details aren't gonna be available like that
Questions i.e. how is interaction with the waveguide(s) controlled? Are there multiple layers with different functions?
@@phmfthacim you might be able to get your hands on schematics if you try hard enough. Or you might find info about materials and concepts from universities.
@@phmfthacim go work there
I haven't touched these, but I have been paying close attention to AR development for a long long time. This is the first product I've seen that gives me hope that AR will actually be available and mainstream within my lifetime. Quite amazing. Hats off to Meta.
The biggest challenge will always be the power consumption...
@@edwardfletcher7790at absolute worst you have a small power brick in your pocket. That’s really not an awful tradeoff for something that was literally impossible until very recently
@@SyntheticSpy I'm talking about the glasses which have 2 hrs battery life. There's no cable connecting to the puck remember.
@@edwardfletcher7790 yes it’s also not a product yet. If it truly winds up being that big of a problem they will add a port and allow people to plug in external power
AR already exists.
Just think how good this will be in a few years when it's refined. Excited for this.
VR/AR is such an amazing tech that just work as advertissed.
Go on a date and ask Meta AI to feed you the best lines, help haggle a good car deal, win at poker... 😎
I feel its gonna be $6000
@@PrinceJesI’m pretty sure they will be around the same price as flagship phones (so 1000-1500, depending on the specs). But it will definitely take some time for that, hopefully just a couple of years.
I dont know. With the latency of the remote computing... People complain about apples 15ms refresh rate (60Hz) but cheer for 200 ms latency orion glasses. People get headeaches in headsets with 30 ms.
Norm seriously does the best interviews. His questions are perfectly formed to both be encouraging to the subject but also prompt for the most informative answers. And most of all he covers the questions that real people who are interested in these products would want to know. Like this was the case when he interviewed the guy who owns the minis shop about paints and is just as true for something as technologically advanced as the Orions. I seriously cant express enough how much i enjoy watching Norm interviewing people because it leaves me with every answer i would have wanted had i been doing the interview myself.
The fact that these devices exist has already impressed me immensely.
Norm continues to be the absolute best AR/VR reviewer by a long shot.
"nano-etched into silicone carbide". 20 years ago these would have been sci fi buzz words. 40 years ago they wouldn't have existed even in sci fi.
You should read more hard sci-fi the theories behind the technology have been around since the ‘50s were just now technology advanced enough to test and deliver
@@SsjHokage Thats what I was about to say. the sci fi from the 50's 60's 70's is and was well ahead of its time.
Silicon carbide is nothing new, but nano-thickness layers of it with nano-scale etching is definitely pretty cutting edge. (Note, not silicone - that's a polymer)
The first sci-fi novel with AR glasses as a central element was (aptly named) "Virtual Light" by William Gibson. It came out in 1993, 31 years ago. If you look up the cover on Google Images, the glasses do look quite similar to Orion. Just the frame is a little slimmer.
@@SsjHokage I didn't mean to get into the things presaged in sci fi. That's a huge conversation. I've read tons of the old sci fi, I read *Dune* book by book as they came out. I was just making minor comment on the coolness of the phrase.
This guy just straight spitting actual bars with how many things he was saying about the complexity of the device was truly inspiring. I can easily tell he knew a deep knowledge about all the problems and challenges that the teams needed to face!
Thanks Norm and the Tested team for producing this video. I believe the neural interface stuff is the most killer idea in this whole space, and in a long time. Would work on that.
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Just last week I was showing off the Rayban Metas to a couple friends and the most common sentiment was “I wish they had a display”. I told them “I’m sure it’ll happen sooner than we think”. And here it is! Can’t wait for the consumer model 😍
It's amazing to hear someone that high up in the company still able to explain the technology behind how it works.
Thank you so much for bringing your voice to these reviews. I've watched hours of Orion content and this is the only one that gets into any technical detail like the layers of the optics, presence of cameras on the puck, and the IR emitters for eye tracking
As someone who wears Bluetooth glasses with prescription lenses, I'm incredibly hype, the price tag might put it out of my range today, but time is on my side.
When they’re a replacement for a smartphone, and a similar price, these things will become the norm in a decade or so.
Out of curiosity and because I'm also looking for smart glasses now (as opposed to when this comes out) - which do you use?
This same here. I've been using my Soundcore Frames with prescription lenses for almost two years and can't imagine using regular glasses now.
@MichaelSverdlin Soundcore Frames sound great, are small enough for people not to notice that they are smart glasses. You can use voice control as well to play, stop, skip track, etc. They are £70 on Amazon UK, which is an absolute steal.
Best coverage of the Orion by far. Thank you for diving into all the nerdy details, all the other videos and articles and videos I've seen only scratch the surface. Projections has always been the best resource for info on new VR/AR tech.
I really cant wait for these to get thinner and thinner it genuinley looks incredible
Between this, llama and the quest line I've really been liking what meta puts out lately. They seem one of the few companies these days with a clear roadmap towards making a sci-fi future reality.
Yo Milhouse called he wants his glasses back
Milhouse has red glasses. But yea.
@@Sonderwaive lol i tort no one would pick upon this lol dam u!!, his are also very round ,
Looks like they modelled it on Norm's glasses.
Probably misses his old glasses
Joe 90s glasses
I've been saying for a long time that AR glasses like this that can give us effectively a HUD is the future. This is where we've been heading and I'm SUPER glad we're seeing this come to fruition. Hopefully Meta makes a consumer version soon.
Ok the tech in this is genuinely incredible but also "Wear an internet connected device, made by facebook, that notices and remembers details of your life down to where you put your keys" is an absolutely terrifying concept. Never gonna get one until the tech becomes common enough to be open source or at least cloud-disconnected in like 50 years lmao.
You already wear something in your pocket and wrist which does the majority of this, though its probably by Apple or Google, in addition to any apps you've given permission to this information. So its not really a concern, unless you're advocating for total smartphone death.
@@sethoz22 The type of person concerned about these kinds of things has probably already gone to great lengths to make their smartphone less privacy-invasive. (and they certainly wouldn't be wearing an apple watch)
@@SchmooYummi Apple is a device company - they make their money (still) by selling primarily phones. Someone far smarter and more interested than I did a dive into the FCC filings and figured that something like 60-80% of Apple revenue comes from just iphone sales.
Facebook (it's not "meta" any more than Twitter is "x") is an advertising company. They make money by monetizing the sale of access to their users.
Apple is evil, to be sure, but they've also staked a huge portion of their entire brand identity on privacy. They can't sell that out and survive. Their price premiums won't be justifiable if that one major differentiator goes away.
I don't trust Apple, no, but I trust Facebook and Google a whole FUCKofalot less.
@@sethoz22 Your implication that all or even "many" people wear smartwatches says more about who you are as a person than an autobiography would. I don't think I've seen someone wear a smartwatch in ages, and I'd laugh them out of the room if I did. One of the most useless devices ever invented.
@@sethoz22 to back up Schmoo Yummi, you think I wear a fucking smartwatch? Also my phone doesn't identify the location of everything in my house, can't tell me where I left my keys, and I'm currently migrating off of Google Photos so it can't scan my shit anymore. I want nothing more than a phone with user controlled, open source firmware, hardware designed for repair, and readily available parts. This is fully within reach, would make the world significantly better, and doesn't happen because it'd cut into Google and Apple's profit margins. There is no feature in any phone from the past 5 years I've felt I needed, we could be optimizing for sustainability, repairability, and user control, but they just give us some more megapixels so they can give us something with significantly more planned obsolescence and parts pairing bullshit. Till then I'll wait till my phone kills itself for real and then see if I can find a flip-phone or something that can do the things I'm required to have a phone for by school and work and shit.
Also, I hate app permissions in the ways they are required and abused, but I do avoid data collection/content serving algorithms as much as possible. I have a plugin that makes me only able to access the chronological subscriber mode on youtube, and only use tumblr in fully chronological mode as my only social media lmao.
None of this makes me better than anyone I just really fucking detest the state of the world and wanna keep my privacy.
Can you imagine communicating with a deaf person with this? The glasses translate the signs for a hearing person and the glasses create holographic signing hands for a deaf person. Bit like that tech in the TV show Echo.
Wow didn't expect to watch the whole thing. Good take on Orion, you put a lot of analysis into this video
cant wait to see what a 3rd or 5th generation of that glasses will look like in years.
I clicked so fast, Tested is the only people I can expect to do a non-hype, objective review.
Fantastic deep dive, this is the only video I’ve watched where I came away from it feeling like I actually knew everything I wanted to know about the technology, and where it’s currently at. Thank you for the work you put into researching this!
Imagine having a small ir flood light on them and now you have glasses you can use while walking around at night
Oh yeah.... night vision
Thank you for the long form video breaking it down and discussing it! You didn't talk about it like a product but the concept that it is now and where it can go. I can definitely tell you're excited about this tech just like a lot of us are.
Now i can face my exams more confidently knowing i don’t have to remember a thing 😂
People might notice these glasses Milhouse 😜
Definitely…
The professors don‘t ask about smart watches either.
…they do.
You just dropped an hour of techy goodness. You are my favorite person today. True MVP energy. 😃🙏🏽
Plot twist: Norm wore the Orion 2 glasses throughout the video.
This is the best VR / AR reviewer on RUclips. He needs his own RUclips channel.
I haven’t been this excited about any tech since the first quest.
I can see myself really using these, especially if there is some way to do a minor pass through so I don’t need reading glasses.
There is truly no tech reviewer as skilled, detailed, and articulate as Norm. Each of his review videos are a treasure.
This is the first mvp for everyday wear AR. This is crazy. 10k per is nothing, we’re 5 years from easy adoption.
Once the features replace my smartphone and the price is similar I’ll jump ship.
@@Thezuule1 it won't. Just like smartphones since the iphone x launched, the price will only go up and people will rationalize it. Before the iphone x , a 1000$ smartphone was still an INSANE idea. Now 1300$ is the standard, and foldeables are trying to raise that bar up to 2000$.
This product will never be worth buying. Cool, but I got a phone. Until those glasses LOOK like normal glasses, there's no need for them. It's just a technological showcase.
VR had it's time. And people got tired of it quickly. You can get a vr headset for 100$ used on facebook marketplace.
Glasses or not, nothing's gonna make people interested in vr like we were 5 years ago.
Mass production will reduce cost. But they need to iron out the kinks first. It looks very promising though.
If it's 10k to make, they really need to figure out reduction on that beforehand, because meta can't sell these at a loss of $8500-$9,000 just for consumers lol, that could end bad for them financially 😂
With the current insane inflation rates 10k in 5 years will probably you a banana so yes I guess you are right.
This was a fascinating interview with Boz and has given me so much more information than any other review.
We got half-life scientist's glasses before GTA VI
but it was close
Or Half-Life 3 xD
i love seeing "before GTA 6" memes and comments. it would be hilarious, if when the game is finally released, Rockstar called it GTA7. "WTF we got GTA7 before GTA6"
@@2blazedinfl lame
Norm's reviews of XR hardware and interviews with folks like Boz are some of the best in the industry.
This is the AR I've envisaged since childhood. From day one I wanted to invest in magic leap because I thought they'd be the ones to do it, (I never did)... but they sort of gave up. I hope Meta with all their money can pull though and make this a reality!
This is the future, so if META doesn't do it, someone will. I do believe META will be the ones that usher us into a phoneless society.
They already did lol did you not watch the video??
@@FortuneFinders the magic leap 2 is a full headset not glasses, magic leap don't make anything nearly as small as the Orion.
5 yrs to get to mass market....👍
@@edwardfletcher7790 effectively the home straight 😁👍
It’s great to see Norm doing what Norm does best. I really miss this content.
WOW meta killed it on this project!!! They have created something that is so far ahead of the curve in every way possible And also is so far ahead of every other product like it by leaps and bounds.
This guy In the video seems to have headed up the team of people who actually made this thing happen. I don't know who he is. I don't know if he is a well-known person or not. But after this, he most certainly should be because any one of the brand new technologies they came up with would be a major triumph let alone all of them and then successfully integrating them into seemingly seamless working homogeneous product, should get a promotion, a huge raise and whatever else he wanted.
I'd be interested to see how they are planning on mass producing this product. I wonder how long we'll have to wait. Zuckerberg must be pretty confident that other companies are not going to be able to bring something to market of comparable incredibleness.and scope seeing as they just gave the world a look at all of the new technologies they have come up with...If metta is successful in mass production, which I'm confident they will be, and bringing this to marvel to market, even if it is unaffordable to the average person they will definitely reach a new level of success!!!
The guy interviewed in this video (Andrew Bosworth) is the CTO of Meta.
Your reviews are ALWAYS the best reviews out there! 👍👍👍
Really cool tech! Great vid, Norm.
Tested is the only outlet I would watch on these, sounds like great developments!
Man thats SO much work. They had to make a custom protocol so they could just send data in batches so the radio wouldn't fry the glasses?
Seriously impressive. Im sure the team is thrilled to see their baby out in the world.🎉
Anytime I hear about any AR/VR tech, I immediately check to see if Norm covered it.
Always so in-depth
Real time translation, AR games, web search, planning, etc. This will be the personal assistant that we dreamed of.
I’ve just seen the Meta Orion AR glasses, and honestly, they’re like a high-tech mash-up of the Two Ronnies’ specs and those old-school NHS glasses! You know, the kind of chunky frames that look like they could take a beating but now with holograms popping up wherever you look!
Meta's Orion glasses are supposedly super advanced, but looking at them, you can’t help but think they’ve got the same sort of thick rims and bulky build as those classic NHS glasses. Sure, they’re slimmer than something like the Vision Pro, but they’ve still got that ‘two TV screens strapped to your face’ vibe going on! It’s funny because they’ve packed so much futuristic tech into them, but all I can think of is how much they remind me of those hefty old specs we used to laugh about.
Meta calls them a "time machine," but with how thick those frames are, it feels more like they’re bringing back the past! If these ever hit the streets, people will be walking around looking like a sci-fi version of the Two Ronnies.
How I wish the neural wristband would come as a watch instead for more functionality.
It will. Also I'm sure the puck will end up as a glasses case which also serves as a charger
although it wouldn't need to be a watch because you could display that info through the glasses quite easily
Ive never seen Boz so genuinely excited, that's exciting and refreshing of what it says for the technology!
I love working for Meta! We're building awesome things!
Thanks Norm! Just wanted to say that I have watched your tested content for awhile. And before that, I remember seeing your name in PC Gamer! Good times. We've sure come a long way!
As excited as I am about the potential of seeing AR glasses soon-ish, I'm not sure if I want an AI, that is probably run on the cloud, that can remember where I put my keys or see everything I see. Hopefully using that feature will be strictly optional...
Thanks Norm! I was waiting for your review
People maintain techno-pessimism when this would have literally been magic a decade ago.
Google glass was way ahead of the time 🗣️💯
I love it when people talk about things they really know in detail.
Quick note. I am so glad he mentioned that there is a difference between the needs and desires of me and vr. It’s good to hear them respect those differences
As someone that has Aphantasia, ADHD, and absolutely terrible memory issues, some sort of AI personal assistant that can keep track of and record things would be a Godsend. I've been telling my family for years that I want cameras in my eyeballs and memory augmentation.
You are literally describing that one Black Mirror episode lol I think it’s called “the entire history of you”, you should definitely watch it if you haven’t already.
This is the preview I am looking for 👏
Everyone running around looking like Roy Orbison would be hilarious. I’m ready for easily wearable AR though. I’d love to fight Dragons by my swimming pool and catch Pokemon.
God I missed Tech videos from These guy’s. Good to see more such content and it looks like they are going back to their roots. I wish the whole gang hops back into videos and being back the podcasts
But can the compute puk instead be an iphone running an app from Meta using all the hardware power of the phone and/or the cloud computing in meta through the app? Don´t we carry already a compute puk anyway?
The puk and glasses will replace your phone.
When Google and apple come out with their versions, the phone will act as the puck. But meta will prob turn theirs into a glasses case which doubles as a charger
It’s running a custom wireless protocol presumably operating outside the capabilities of consumer phones. Also likely not FCC approved and possibly a little toasty to neurons.
@@pubzakthere is literally no reason why that could change
Zuck doesn't want to be screwed by Apple again. An iPhone app is the last resort
The absolute best objective coverage on AR/VR/MR news!
Ooo weee ooo I look just like buddy holly
I'm new to this channel and was just curious how this new tech actually worked. WOW! Super informative video. Subscribed
I’m actually most excited about this project from Meta. I absolutely love their VR stuff and they’ve proved themselves with that, but VR/AR can be so much more than gaming. And I’m here for that
This is an excellent review of Meta Orion. There are alot of important details and ideas discussed.
The technical side of this is really cool but I can't see this being something people actually buy until we solve the problem of having always-on cameras pointing at everyone around you without their consent
Phones already do that
normal standalone vr headsets do that already, sure you won't take them out, but the inside of your home/room is getting captured
@@kirby21-xz4rx No they don't. Honestly, considering how many comments say the exact same BS, I'm not sure y'all aren't just ALL bots. But for anyone else reading this, smartphones can't see shit when they're pointed at the floor or in your pocket. These things will scan every person you make eye contact with, and probably everyone you share a sidewalk with too.
@@kirby21-xz4rx phone cameras aren't always-on as in recording and always pointed at others. Sure you CAN hold up your phone to record everyone around you, but it's not something most people will put up with for an extended period of time.
@@joeldheathif you leave your house you’re consenting to being recorded. It’s called being in public.
This is amazing! There are obvious solutions to this but the world-tracked windows have me imagining "ahh crap I left that tab floating in the park yesterday gotta go get it" 😂
How is it that Microsoft is the only company that added on to a camera to show non-wearers what the wearers are seeing?
Amazing work! Remarkable technology , can't wait to try them! Well done interview as well! Absolutely crushed it and the review Norm!
But what’s the passthrough quality like?
eh, grainy, low resolution.. it sucks!! 🤣
There's no passthrough. it's the real world you'll see through the glass.
@@xaviert7839 you dont say😂
Very impressive. Finally got a meta quest 3 and I am very impressed with it, especially the pass through. To have something even better in a smaller form factor is crazy. Looking forward to see what they end up shipping.
I want these to exist and be good. I don’t want them tied to the Meta/Facebook/Instagram mess. Therefore I won’t buy them. But thanks for the review, it’s interesting for sure.
Meta built them and in 5 years HW Hackers will be able to reprogram them to remove all the FB info harvesting crap 👍😁
Same. These look amazing if all the data wasn’t going to meta. I mean, the horse looks great outside the gates, but I wouldn’t let it inside Troy.
No one cares
Once we get an open source version not made by meta this will be awesome
Abolutely loved this, what a great deep dive. You can only imagine the types of resources Meta devoted this.
Wasn't there something called Google glass , a decade ago
I picked up a glass on ebay years ago, it was great for the time but it was too far ahead for it's time, people were worried about privacy and it ended up getting band in pubs and restaurants, most people that knew what it was would asked for a go and to make sure I was not recording, now that we have given away our privacy theses things will take off.
$10,000 pong. Money well spent
So he will be wearing a technological marvel on his face powered by holograms and advanced AI ... but the first use case he thinks of as an example is to remind him where he left his KEYS ... 🤔
That was just the first thing he thought of that wasn't NSFW... 🤣
eh, this is simple advertising. Appealing to a broad demographic with a problem I'd wager just about everyone has faced. If you start out with the advanced AR things it can do, it may turn off people who don't like it or are borderline adopters of the tech. But finding lost keys, "It's for everyone".
😂😂😂😂
@@cidmontenegro8225 I haven't use key in almost a decade.
It’s the most common first world problem that literally replaces the need for God 🙏
Thanks for the insight and thought on these prototypes Norman. It felt a little like the good old "Tested" days when you covered the launch of Oculus
13:00 wishing for handwriting sounds like very old-man kind of things to wish. I definitely can not handwrite as fast as I swipe-write...
Just imagine augmented 3D T9 typing! Authors will be able to write a book in 3 hours
This is insane. And an awesome Video.
Just imagine if that neural interface wrist band could be used as an input for the current Quest headsets🤯
It's not an impossibility, but it would be quite expensive for 2 of them 😅
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 Yea but I mean if they become mass-produced... I would be fine with paying another 150-200 bucks for getting much more accurate hand tracking on my q3 if it works as well as they say it does LOL.
@@zechenwei1139 Don't stop there. You know how gun stocks for FPS games suck because you have to use controllers with them and it becomes cumbersome and tedious? Well, grab whatever object you want, scan it and track it with computer vision, use the wristband for button input. 3d print anything you want, use it as a controller. 2 handed swords hilt, pistol, rifle, a steering wheel, or just use a vibrator as a joystick for flight sims. It's the true potential of hand tracking that hasn't been realized yet because of the simple stupid reason of you not being able to get reliable button input while holding an object with the current methods for hand tracking (problems like occlusion).
Amazing, thank you for the deep dive. You answered all my questions and then some
I want augmented reality fps games with my friends… where raising your hand as a pistol 👈🏻 emedetiately puts you in the game… overlays your in game weapon over your hand… it would be ‘the assasination’ game and can contain every person wearing the same device in your emediate surroundings (open game mode) or alternatively allows you to set up private games between your friends. You’ll have things like grenades, knives, pistols, explosives you can hide in rooms and use timers for or remote detonators… those can ofcourse be dismantled by skilled players that find them before they blow up… The ‘augmented’ sky is the limit! Make it happen Meta!
One of the best tech videos I saw in the last time. Made me inner nerd happy. Thanks a lot! :)
As amazing as these are, my first thought was unfortunately still from a point of mistrust: Imagine the profiling they can do on you based on what you're looking at!
You are aware that smartphones have been doing that for over almost 2 decades now, right?
Facebook would never collect data like that, what are you talking about?
They will have to address the privacy issue. Hopefully as they transition to AR/MR, they can switch to a product company, instead of 'your data is our product" company.
@@danilog590 "your data is our product" -company makes a wearable device capable of measuring exactly how long you look at which items/ads and can build a profile on you updated in real time. Surely one of the most greedy companies wouldn't capitalize on that right?
@mowkikowski Exactly, Mark Zuckerberg has never experimented on people using Facebook to force suggest negative posts to people who have had depression.
if anything is gonna replace the smartphone this is it
Remember google glass? I’m not holding my breath.
I don't see it. The vast majority of people do the one thing they need to do on their phone and put it back down. wearing glasses all day doesn't make a whole lot of sense and getting the battery life to point where that could even be done is a long way down the road. This device would be very niche in its current form, it needs three separate devices to work.
@@IraFox84how old are you? Most young people literally can’t be away from their phones for more than 10 minutes.
You ask such incredibly pertinent questions and have such strong insight and observations, how have these companies not picked you up as an employee yet!
Good example of the amount of capital a large company can throw at a problem as opposed to a tiny startup.
At least it's obvious that the interview wasn't pre-scripted. Respect to him and Meta for that
I said a long time ago that meta should have come out with a phone of their own to offload some of the processing power needed in headsets…if they would have done that there would be no need for the puck and they would have probably also come out with a watch by now, in which they could have incorporated the neurotransmitter and all you would need is the pair of glasses, a phone and a watch. 3 items that I happen to have on me at all times anyway. Apple could be ahead of the game if they make similar glasses because they already have a phone and watch in their ecosystem.
They tried. HTC made it. Giant flop.
@@Thezuule1 I actually heard about that in another video after I made this post… would have been cool though to have their own little ecosystem, so that they don’t have to build pucks and wristbands.
Orion: "Did I poop today? I don't remember. Also what did I tell my coworker last night when I drunk dialed him, he sounds pretty pissed"
I love how Apple's goggles are already forgotten technology news.
That tech wasn’t made for everyone. They will release something more affordable probably next year.
I hope that by 2027, we will be able to buy AR glasses like these!
Just make those in China and they can be affordable.
Now they just need to keep iterating and improving and bringing the cost down and one day we'll be buying these in the shops. If we can get VR/MR glasses down to roughly this size too, boy is that going to be magical. BUT, one thing I just have to have going forward is FAR FAR FAR more field of view. Even the Quest 3's field of view is just nowhere near enough at this point imo. I want a least 140 degrees in any headset I even think about buying in the future. That, more than just about any other factor right now, is the thing they simply need to greatly improve for me. Anyway, it's exciting to see this VR/AR/MR/XR technology evolving. Amazing really.
PS. Apple actually has a bit of a future advantage with something like this, because it could build the wrist thing into future Apple Watches and solve that problem pretty easily there, and then just have the glasses as an additional peripheral that allows you to view the information in a different way from looking at the watch. So, the future version would be the Apple Watch plus the Apple Glasses, and sorted. So maybe in the future all smartwatches would have to have this control sensing built in, and then XR companies could just use whatever smartwatch from any manufacturer as an additional wrist controller.
Your last couple sentences are spot on. That is exactly where I see this going.
$10,000? so only the price of 2 vision pros? not too bad.
If I understood that's the cost to make. That means 20k retail minimum. Probably more.
@@isaacholzwarth the aren't up for retail, we won't see these on the market for 5 years. In that time who knows what breakthroughs meta is going to figure out on reduction of cost.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 yes I know, I'm just saying that if you take that into account these cost a good deal more than 2x what it costs to make apple vision. You can't compare the retail price of apple vision to the manufacturing cost of these. You have to compare manufacturing price to manufacturing price, meaning that these are probably 10x more expensive than the vision pros are to manufacture. That's all I'm saying.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 $10k is AT COST dingus.
@@isaacholzwarthremember when computers could only be owned by institutions due to cost.
This is the first iteration of its kind. They’ll find ways to cut the costs
I am 100% convinced that AR is valuable to provide in-view instructions to a technician fixing complex machinery. It's a small market, sure. But that still has to be bigger than "I can afford AR glasses, but need help making a smoothie."
This guy is 1000x more human and relatable than Zuckerberg....
lol
Maybe it is Zuck playing with deep fake.
low bar...