The Rise and Fall of Online Dating
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2:30 - 9:15 The business of dating
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What about the videos on etf fails?
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Sounds like a pyramid scheme
@@D3xterJettster what isnt? You mean the usd isnt 😂 ponzi is more suited term.
You mean a rock found in the ground that you cant eat or shelter has value? Or a piece of paper now has value?
Most male college students I know hate dating apps. The only thing more depressing being single and lonely is being so while getting mass rejected on dating apps. My girlfriend could open her phone and have fifty matches in an hour.
if your gf hasnt uninstalled tinder after meeting you get the hell out
The flip side is the women find that most of those guys are absolutely awful. It's the definition of quality vs quantity.
@@Mastercane98 I have added “could” instead of “can.” I could (pun intended) have phrased that better.
Control f
Narr. You don't make any of the shots you don't take. The apps let you take a lot more shots.
Tinder isn't in the business of matching couples together, as they can't monetize a male that's in a relationship. The goal is to keep males encouraged enough to keep using their app and paying, while not actually finding them a partner.
...Tinder is yet another RIGGED GAME that is SLANTED in the woman's favor. Men now realize this sham, and that is why alot of men are leaving Tinder and delusional women, alone.
Why do I feel that you are right.
They need you to come back, otherwise how do they operate?
Males don't want partners they want sx. Stop being delusional.
Sounds plausible but with that logic a dentist is not in the business of fixing people's teeth. They should encourage the consumption of sweets without brushing your teeth so that you go back to the dentist all the time.
@@erikt1713 that's why they already have the "advice" that you should get your teeth checked every six months.
Dating sites have an inherent conflict of interest with their own customers.
This is what a lot of people don't understand. If you find your significant other there then you'll stop using the service.
Thats just because its a subscription-based payment/advertising. You're both customer and product. If it was a onetime payment, there would be no conflict between user intent.
Cigarettes kill people yet they keep selling them... they are literally killing off their own customers. Its sort of the same thing
You will find that is the case with literally every single large industry when you look into it, and then you'll find out that it is designed to be this way. See pharma companies not treating you, but making you into a lifetime customer, and it goes on to every single industry. And then you should look into the criminal families like the sackers who purposefully do it not even for profit, but because they hate the population as they have dual loyalty and you'll find a very specific pattern.
This is the worst take ever. That's like saying food companies have a conflict of interest with their customers. Relationships (even good ones) don't last forever.
Talking to men, they hate that they experience a 99% rejection rate and it's difficult to deal with. Talking to women, they hate how they match so many men who act like they are the worst people in the world. Both phenomena make people lose hope in it.
The entire system meanwhile has pushed so hard into profitability that the algorithm deliberately stops you matching people that you will actually date. Many couples who met seperately have jokingly tried to match on tinder etc. they bring up the apps, the men can see the women and the man's profile does not appear for the woman. Because Tinder wants to keep men on as long as possible so they will eventually pay.
Married individuals using those apps for any reason is maritalSuicide.
See ‘wife downIoads tndr as experiment redd|t”
This. When you answer to your shareholders instead of your users. It's not enough for companies to be profitable nowadays - they also need to be constantly growing their profit margins, etc.
I'd rather be alone than give up cash to even meet a girl/ Women will sleep with guys for free but if you're not one of those guys you need to bite the bullet and save your money, having false hope in simpitude will only make you miserable
@@mhmnha the experience on those apps are similar on even extremely obscure apps. “Muh shareholders”💀
@@Mew2Win Many dating apps are owned by the same corporation, smartass. Illusion of choice. And yeah, they're still trying to earn a profit. Because that's the entire purpose of a company...
To this point, I'd say Gen Z is learning a TON from millennials getting screwed. There's a reason Gen Z is abandoning social media and looking for more pay; it's because we saw millennials getting screwed over by the costs rising and the influences of social media
You're not that smart, kiddo 😂
You guys can't even show up to work 😂😂😂😂 stfu
I wish any generation to be smarter thant the previous one
Good 😊😊 keep it up, we are about to pulk this entire system down, you know the assignment 👍🏾
Gen z is just bad at socializing
Online dating is the worst cancer imaginable. There are so many negative incentives in this form of human interaction.
Having Trump and Biden as our only option for president is pretty bad.
@@DuffyGabi yeah, that too
I'd take it over the old way everytime. Going to the pub or hoping friends could set me up never worked for me.
@@somethinglikethat2176
You're clearly a woman.
I disagree. I met my wife online and we are happily married for 7 years now.
You must increase your worth and look abroad where you are the one wanted and outnumbered by woman 30 to 1. 😀
Fuck online dating, I would rather be alone than going through that shit
Summed up nicely.
I lived in a very rural area (literally a national forest) I'm fit, six two , have a nice job , beautiful home and several college degrees , haven't dated in a decade, probably never again. My choices are date online or don't date. I don't date online, no way.
Just approach women in person
@@LisaSoulLevelHealing not really my style. Tinder worked a lot better for me.
this was to the original person@@somethinglikethat2176
Dating apps are like every other corner of the internet these days. They were great at first an now it's just scammers, bots and crazies.
You made me think, has any part of the internet (involving human interaction) actually improved over the last 10 years? I can't think of one.
Well said!
No, they were never great for men. lol
The delusion of infinite choice is a social disease.
Men have awakened & are saying no to dating apps.
I’ve noticed this. Men are having some sort of spiritual awakening and walking away from these women
Whilst saying yes to LonlyPlans. 🤭
There are actually more women leaving dating apps, almost 80% of tinder uses are men. Even on bumble, it’s over 65% male users.
@@dorino9057Where are the women going though? Pet stores with cats or discreet shipping areas of online shopping space.
How old are you guys @@rickrandall3174
online dating is awful. I hope nobody else will have to suffer through this
I got some good strange a couple of times, it's worth it
You should pay a strange tax
Yeah but talking to women IRL is a great way to get a false rape accusation now, so the alternative is every one is going to be lonely
It's great if you are a chad.
@@tuckerbugeater bruh the cost of the alcohol and herpes medicine is my strange tax
Women will message men first on Bumble, but her 1st message is the word "Hey." Then she will sit back and STILL EXPECT THE MAN TO LEAD THE CONVERSATION AND ENTERTAIN HER. And if he fails to do so adequately, then she will call him boring and she will move on.
OMG women EXPECT things from you like being a f'ing man? Ugh stay away from them all forever they don't deserve you king 🙄🙄🤣
If in real life men try to win beautiful women attention why should it be different on bumble? Just because women make the first move the roles should get reversed? Nah...if I sent a guy message first and he was passive in his response I assume I'm not his type and rather go to bar and talk to guys who are excited to meet me just because I'm pretty.
🎉MEN have never had the ability to "lead a conversation" unless, of course, that conversation is about HIM first. 🤦♂️😏
if the guy is the top half a percent of men she will go nuts trying to get him.. the hey is reserved for people she doesnt care about at all
@@calvinsFuntimeBounceHouse ... correct. My uncle was a rich doctor and women were throwing themselves at him. And my college friend looked like a muscular, tall, good looking model... and women were going nuts just to be in his presence.
Men realized they were wasting their time.
For most men online dating is a horrible waste of time. I'm an old dude and I tried online dating for six months a few years ago after getting over my ex. It f*****g sucked, so I just gave up on it entirely. A couple of years ago a woman and I met, randomly, at the local cigar bar. They were playing Fleetwood Mac and she loves that band and came in to sit down and chill to the music. We are getting married in April. Dudes, unless you are a Chad and pumping and dumping, online 'dating' is a joke and a waste of time.
online dating - a waist of time and money 😢
As a millenial on the apps, I can say this is a trend i'm happy to see.
Im on bumble and fb dating. But i prefer meeting in person and getting to know tgem. I keep those 2 around only.
The monetization of human interaction. What could possibly go wrong? 🤷♂️🙄🤦♂️
that already happens in other apps
We are monetized since birth until we die. We are living cash cows for shareholders and governments. Get used to it or profit from it by being shareholder too.
It's as old as human history.
This! This is why dating apps are falling...full stop...they are actually designed to keep people on the apps ($$$$) and people are fatigued (something the apps likely didn't expect to happen)..It's like being a hamster on a wheel....you get little rewards every now and then...but they do not want you to get off the hamster wheel.
@@val_inv6239 fools bet of defeatism. Gross!
I'm a short guy (165 CM). In dating apps i would have no chance. But in real life, i have no problem talking to girls. In fact the older i get, the more i got introduced to girls. I guess being older and have stable life really helps.
It’s confidence
@@ceptember. 165 cm.
Can relate, a lot of women actually have stuff like "5' 11" or taller only!" on their profiles
Same, I have met all my gf on randomly just living life, 5’4. I’m also aging really good so that helps
$$$$$$
Only way to get screwed with Bumble is to buy the stock
🤣🤣🤣 genius
This was the best comment i´ve ever read! I laughed so much i started crying!
hahahaha
The ultra-truthness of this comment is what makes this absolutely hysterical
One thing online dating doesn’t account for is judging people based on the 360 approach. Personality, in person demeanor, attractiveness. With online dating, you’re just viewing what the person looks like.
The reason why tindferno shot up to #1 status is bc vvomen flocked to it (made it popular)… and it’s for a reason……
Which is a big component of attractiveness
More like what a person fakes he/she is 😂
Exactly
@@bolsa3136 Until they literally are 30lbs heavier than their pictures appears because they only do face shots.
You have to read between the lines for images on what they are showing and what they aren't showing.
"In 2023, Tinder redesigned it's app with a "rizz-first" focus" -- I just threw up a bit in my mouth
Online dating is a shopping catalog for women to all go after the same few guys, while lapping up the attention of 50 other guys that they're just stringing along to feel wanted.
There are far more men than women on dating apps. Almost 80% of tinder uses are men that’s why
@@dorino9057 Women swipe right on like 3% of men and left on 97%. It's not about the ratio little guy, stop coping.
Tried Tinder for 6 months. Got one super like and two likes. That was it. Embarrassing to admit.
It was really fustrating talking to female colleagues who would tell me about how easy it was.
If you are a normal guy, dont bother.
Yeah, it's brutal. Still for someone as awkward as me it was worth it. Lol
Tinder is almost 80% male, it’s better to use dating apps with more even ratios. Like bumble, but you still have to be patient.
Literally the same experience here. I'm glad to see you wised up!
dont frustrate, tell them to make a catfish using a normal guy photo and then see what results they get. they will be humbled massively right away
Same here. Used Tinder for a year and only got like two matches. And I'm pretty sure one of them was an accident
You didn't really discuss the why. You just summarized what already happened and mentioned one survey. Men who have tried it in years past can tell you why.
Can you explain? I had an ok experience with dating apps 8 years ago 😂
The bubble burst
And yet you did not.
There is way too many men and very few women in most apps. I was never lucky and just gave out on that shit.
It worked out great for me. If I was ever single again, downloading Tinder would be the first thing I'd do.
If those apps go out of business, that’s good news
I will be celebrating when that day comes.
They will my friend, Match Group are facing a lawsuit. They are about to be taken to the cleaners LOL!!!
The Statistic that half of all couples met on Tinder or Bumble is not accurate. Most people do not use dating apps, that Statistic was made in favor of those apps. It sounds good but not even a 3rd of the US is active continuously on dating apps bcuz dating apps have tremendous flaws and now are all paid. No one wants to pay just to talk when U can talk in real life for free in a recession.
I dug into that statistic. It says half of people are meeting online not necessarily through dating apps. One example they gave is a person looking at a friend's friend list and asking about one of them.
Yea, around 70% of ppl are meeting from onIine, including sm
can u cite a source for the "real" numbers, n for what u already commented?
That offices in the US are allowed to have a no dating policy is criminal, here in Germany it's a very common place to find a partner and it is illegal for your employer to get involved in such personal matters.
It's actually got two functions. One is to prevent messy breakups from shattering teamwork and communication, and the other is to prevent harassment by giving absolutely no harbor.
I temped at a training center in Beijing and half of the staff were raw dogging each other. Didn't matter if they were married or what.
Huge culture shock coming from the US
Workplace is for work not for socialising. Anyway that option is disappearing as everything moves to remote.
@@mike2561 where you spend the most time of your life you are not allowed to socialise?
I mean most places, at least if they're not a civil service or in places of middle and upper management in a corporation, don't enforce it and people just ignore the "rules" anyway because they care more about their personal lives than the job. I've known or heard of plenty of people who ignored the "rule" or if it was enforced, they were at least transferred to a different store, site, or department.
Paying for premium on dating apps is a signal that you're so lost, that even if you get a match you're not getting anything out of it
The problem is that a lot of people make enough money where who cares if they spend 5-10$/month for a slightly better chance at meeting someone.
Like I could spend 100$/month on all the dating apps and it wouldn't matter to me at all because I have a lot of disposable income already.
It's just that paying for premium doesn't do anything anyway. They don't want you to match with someone and to stop using the app.
People keep hating on Gen Z but they're actually very smart abandoning dating apps. Men who can date will easily find a chick offline. Men who can't date know that already and focus on their own lives. Proud of you folks.
Ironically, the articles which talk about this only interview women who are 20% of users, mostly pay nothing and mainly have 7,000% more chance of dating.
Doing 1 correct thing while doing 10000 wrong things doesn’t make them smart
I’m a millennial in my mid-30s and I love observing and interacting with Gen Z. They possess a unique balance of idealism and cynicism.
I met my gf through Bumble, but I can say dating apps fucking suck.
I met your gf on bumble too
@@germaninvasion121 Thats crazy that we both met your mother that way
met mine on Tinder using a bot to swipe for me. Uninstalled it immediately after and never again.
@@GooseCeearen't dating apps 18+
@@GooseCee damn :D
It's not just reaching saturation that's hitting them, it's the recession, inflation, and an undeniable cultural shift away from dating on the whole.
What recession?
Not sure that the cultural shift away from dating is undeniable... People still want to fuck each other. They just don't want to deal with online dating apps if possible.
Yeah young people today are weirdly more prudish than my catholic family members. I personally find it so confusing because I can't imagine what would cause that shift.
People are paying for speed dating events
@@anthonyd4119the one your president changes the reporting metrics to pretend isn't happening, or possibly the one happening in other western nations that aren't lying ass hard about their numbers because the world is more than America
It's difficult to find a partner through mutual friends when you don't have any. It's almost like someone either has to live in a city or get paired with someone while they're in school, otherwise what will be will be what is.
Trouble is many friend groups have gotten pretty insular. If it wasn't for a single hyper social guy with an absurd number of connections my group would never get mixed up with any other group. But even that one guy had a hard time finding an SO, and most of the women in my extended group have been in stable relationships at least since high school or uni.
One of my weirder friends got so tired of the current paradigm that he straight up just went and got a wife in Cambodia. She's a little older than him but extremely cute! Off course this came with a daunting set of practical issues they're still grinding through. I really hope it works out for the both of them.
I had the same problem. Tinder was the best thing since sliced bread as far a I'm concerned.
@@somethinglikethat2176 bc you’re good Iooking doofus
A big social problem. Capitalist values, lack of work-life balance, consumerism, excessive focus on technology, social media, lack of urbanism - all of these are leading to a lack of social fabric, lack of human interaction and to isolation. The struggles with dating are just one of the repercussions.
That's always been the case.
Online dating has damaged society
If you ugly, get money. Its not the dating apps, its how life has always been
@@chiquita683simple.
Gamification of online dating
Not it hasn’t. Grumps on the internet have damaged society. Grump
@@chiquita683not really, think it about like this. What artificial/unrealistic expectations did dating apps instill into young people? And money? Really, well you’re not wrong but ur not realistic. High paying jobs can’t be avail to everyone, so 😂 how tf everyone gonna be rich
When the dating app doesn't create dates, what is it good for?
Mstow
@@Mew2Winmig tao
Shareholders.
Dating apps are designed to keep you there not to actually find someone
@@ianm8218 that’s a hard cope, if you’re getting 0, then paying will get you close to 0 as well. VVomen are just not right swiping on ppl their Iooks IvI as much.
0*0=0
Tinder buries your profile as a male to keep you paying for more upgrades and add ons, meaning even most good looking guys aren’t getting many matches. If there was no rigging everyone would actually get matches and couple up, meaning they make no money. Very Machiavellian business.
Nah, the good Iooking guys do great on free. I’m talking Chadlites and chads
Nah, the problem is Chads chatting up 39ers for an easy lay. There's no algorithm for that.
A good looking friend of mine received over 100+ matches (in 24 hours) and hooked up with 6 of them in a 2 week time span. From the studies and testimonies online, your statement doesn't line up lol
@@Truther945 He must look like a Greek God.
You failed to mention how they manipulate their users into paying. Users get their visibility significantly decreased after continous use of the apps, making them feel like nobody likes them and preying on that desperation. This is why they're damaging. Which is a shame, because the underlying concept is really convenient and could cause a lot of benefit to society instead.
As a former online- dater I can safely say Online dating sucks
Most young men have given up on dating apps and moved to online simping .
OnlyFans is doing well.
i had a mate addicted to swiping on tinder. he was blowing $750 a month on the thing with the premium add ons. Not surprised to hear income is down. That kind of interest is hard to sustain.
@@ceptember. yeh, they have a platinium tier thats $500 or something a month. add some boosters. voila. its a cunning algorithm. as pointed out here, tinder is FULL of guys.
"a mate"
For $750 he could have solved the problem another way.
Maybe because there's better things to do with my time than swipe endlessly without rewards?
Bumble is a absolute joke.
"Women send the first message"
The women on Bumble: Hey
I heard about ppl who got nothing, paid for spotlight, got nothing, and then got likes & told to pay AGAIN to see who liked them.
That app is rapacious & extremely untrustworthy
My wife found me on MySpace 17 years ago 😂
based. a girl friend of mine met her husband cuz of a friend train lmao
Based
ex-wife 😏
@@WWG1WWGA nah we’re still happily married 😊
@@TheSRMproject Thats where my sister met my brother in law lol i remember myspace, linked up with a few girls on there before
WARNING! DO NOT USE THOSE APPS AS AN AVG LOOKING DUDE. It’s a bIackpiII speedrun
The emergence of the bIackpiII coincided with the introduction of onIine dating, when ppI realized “muh pERsonaIity” meant dog poo
When my first attempt on them failed, I simply read up on how to do it better. You only need the right person to swipe right once.
@@somethinglikethat2176 how long did you rot on those apps before that happened?
I get what you're saying but like this video suggests, people need to understand that dating app companies have shareholders to answer to. Regardless of your gender or attractiveness, there's a very good chance that you'll find dating apps miserable (for different reasons) because your best matches are always locked behind a paywall. It's a lot more nuanced than the typical "women are delusional gold diggers" black pill rhetoric.
@@AyyGinthese aqqs aren’t using revoIutionary aIgos 💀. I’ve tried a onIine dating services at my top tier uni & and it shocked me. Looks is king
Using ELO for dating profiles must be a work of a psychopath
Men are getting smarter 😊
Dating apps isn’t what it used to be. It’s like someone holding your matches hostage until you pay.
Couldn't be more thrilled to learn their stock is plummeting. This is what happens when you make a crap product to maximize profits, you suffer in the long term.
Dating apps were good as an initiative in a digitalizing world, you could get matches and probably find a partner, but now they're nothing but like a casino for most men. It's not worth it, especially paying for it.
Tinder (free) doesn't work for men.
Looks are the least important thing about finding a mate. Take it from a 48 year old. Dating apps make looks the most important thing. More important factors than looks include but are not limited to: is this person an addict (food, hard drugs, prescription medication), does this person lie and how often, is this person racist or prejudiced against groups of people, is this person able to respond to a crisis without panicking, does this person steal, and does this person have sex with other people without telling you. Dating apps don't tell you anything about these. Thus they are completely useless, unless you are solely looking for a sexual encounter. Edit: Also, alcoholic is a deal breaker, but you can spot it on the first date. I'm listing non-obvious or concealed traits.
That's true if want to date a monk.
Don’t forget declining birthdate, less people wanting to get married and the growth of mgtows are all contributing factors to dating apps diminishing numbers.
that third one is a fantasy.
Let's just say undesirable men going their own way.@@archlinuxuser
@@archlinuxuserWhy is it a fantasy? Lots of men are MGTOW these days.
@@indranilbanik3424 MGTOW is the rational choice for Western men. Women aren't worth the risk they pose to your health, wealth and liberty.
I put a boring/modest photo on my dating profiles, even during times when I’m fit with abs, cause I doubt the loyalty of a partner who’s motivated by physical fantasizing.
Chooocolate Raiin.
It definitely helps when they see your name though
That’s how it is tho nowadays
Chocolate raaaaaaiiiiiinnnnn!
You're also an internet celebrity, so your situation is atypical.
Online dating is a dumpster fire . can't make a housewife out of a 304 .
I last tried online dating about 5 years ago, think I managed 5 dates before I gave up, I’d get my hopes up too much and find it demoralising when it wasn’t good. Couple guys were regular, one didn’t like me, one I had nothing in common with. The others were truly terrible, rude, expected to get laid straight away or had chaotic lives and made no effort.
Met someone through a hobby and became a companionship for last 4 years, I wanted more and he doesn’t so that’s that. I get hit on ALL THE TIME by very young guys (20s, I’m in my 40s) but I think most people my age have just checked out or set in their ways/like the peace and freedom. I know I do and find it hard to picture being in a relationship with anyone now. I have people to hang out with and good family/neighbours/pets so I’m not too fussed.
I discovered new species of hippopotamus on tinder...
XD
I knew 2 single women who were into online dating. The only men they met were married. Grinder for gay men has been so successful it put many gay bars and nightclubs out of business.
Are you serious?
@ceptember. Yup. Grinder is both cost effective and time effective. It can get you laid fast and you get exactly the type of guy you want. It's brilliant. Straight people should be so lucky.
@@kendalson7100 so life without women is provably better ? 😅
@@kendalson7100those people are not real people.
The problem is they don’t truly understand their customers. They want to keep people subscribed but the whole point is to find someone and then quit the app. So they aren’t truly incentivized to help you find someone to match with. Secondly, they layer in so many price points and tiers that it just drives people away. Finally, it’s just full of fake profiles and scammers trying to get you to do Crypto or be their sugar daddy.
It’s always baffled me why people couldn’t figure out the ulterior motive of profit-driven dating app companies.
Yes. Keep em on the platform and keep em swipin!
It ain’t rocket science.
The few people who love dating apps are Chad and Tyrone. An endless supply of pump and dumps! 😃
Chad here, can confirm
If dating apps were successful they would lose two customers.
Yea but you guys got to remember, they rely on paypigs rotting hopelessly on those apps (1 in 5 users are paid)!
But many users quit.
There’s a Iot of stories of even vvomen h8ing the experience (bc they aren’t as motivated to learn how to improve their dating Iives compared to men), even tho they have the abundance.
VVomen who are active on those apps for years upon years are a huge red fIag
Worked for me. They lost a customer but if it never worked people would never use it.
It's akin to the lottery, then. @@somethinglikethat2176
Charging $50 for a month with no guarantee is a scam
What sort of guarantee are you thinking about?
@@patster4040 maybe they want the company to send a pro around.
What could they possibly guarantee
There only two guarantees in life.
I have considered designing an app called Tender. My Tender would match hungry singles with steaks of their liking.
I’m in
This one's easy. Men outside the top 10% don't even get the time of day on swipe apps.
I’m so fortunate to have met my fiancé through friends, it really helps form a foundation for the relationship early on that doesn’t exist with meeting a total stranger. The vast majority of my friends met their SO through hinge or bumble, it’s the norm now.
Meeting through mutual friends is like having someone vet that person for you.
Funny enough, I trust my guy friends if they were to set me up but I wouldn't trust their wives. I think my friends would have my interest and their wives would have their friends interest.
You’ll definitely don’t want to see how it feels to be signIe again nowadays bc you’ll cling onto your gf more (making you less attractive)
Nothing beats the authenticity by meeting a potential mate organically. Everybody shows what they feel is their best self on some dumb dating profile. You cannot hide what you truly are when you're out in public. If you're a good, honest, genuine person, it'll show. If you're the opposite, that too will show and people will stay away from you, or outright ghost you.
narcissistic people are hard to identify during the first few meeting .. and before u know it BOOM we become a victim
Public sounds worse than Masterworks
Bumble has a better ratio, but the quality is lower
Bumble is somehow worse than tinder. At least I get matches on tinder.
Honestly if not for dating apps i would've never realized how disposable we are to wmen
If hurts my stomach when being serious with vvomen & them giving you that feeling.
There was a femaIe cmnter here saying it’s a good riddance when we _naturally_ start to feel the coldness and pullback from dating.
If you were dating in person, you’d also get rejected, not because you’re disposable to them, but because a stranger didn’t see you as a romantic partner. This happens to virtually everyone at some point in their life and dealing with it is something most of us need to learn. Men are not disposable to women, and vice versa. Dating apps tend to have more men than women on them and aside from that, they do bring up the worst in both genders and play off toxic dynamics and social engineering to generate revenue.
We need not let poorly designed software turn us against each other, or it’s over.
No, it’s just that they are a lot more men than women on dating apps we’re not gonna date everyone obviously
Public sounds like a scam now.
im too ugly for apps, RIP
It’s over bro
I'm too short for apps, 🤣
I spent a couple of years on dating apps then i met fiance through freind's when you monetize love it becomes more about keeping you on the platform and paying for services rather than helping you find love if everyone was matched in a timely manner they would make no money its a scummy system.
Met my long term gf on Hinge, we both laugh about how lucky we are cause we know its crazy out here these days
She contributes to it, wdym💀
I never paid for Tinder and nevr got a date... so i'll never ever pay for something that doesn't even work for free.
I'm 35, i run marathons, i'm average looking, god job and close to a million euro net worth in real estate and stock market...
Online dating doesn't work unless you're very attractive.
Same here. 30yo, self made man who built up $1.2mm net worth from scratch, average shape fit but not some kind fo god of war, intelligent, several awards in my industry and hobbies, yet I don't flaunt it and so get a half dozen likes a month and ghosted constantly after 1 message. It's ridiculous.
@@JCDenton3 I see this as a common trope among men. They put their entire 'worth' in capital assets and/or cash, it's all about stuff, whilst women are more about things. And it completely fails to capture the female gaze. Naïve girls in their 20's might fall for the 'self made 1 million £ dude bro' but ask women at 30+, especially at 35+ and that's not what we want, at all. We want competency, well-adjusted, kind, uncontrolling, mature, emotionally intelligent, supportive, and autonomous men, an actual adult. That's it. Sure, making us laugh helps too, but none of the things I mentioned require capital wealth.
Do we want men to have their shxt together with a stable income and autonomy? Of course we do, but that's nothing that we don't demand of ourselves either. We're looking for partners, not to be someone's replacement mother and maid.
The issue that men that pursue the immature and naïve (but inherently and generally more attractive) young women, will bump into is that these young women tend to be more interested in financially successful blokes, because these girls are just that, girls, with little financial capability and independence, they're still young and haven't developed careers or businesses. But as women mature and gain our own financial independence (30+) we're discarded as too old or with too many (healthy) boundaries. Mature men need to look for mature women, not girls, and put less emphasis on their financial ability and more on their emotional and supportive abilities.
I'm not attempting to start some internet argument here, there's no internet troll anger in what I wrote, I'm just saying, as a woman, what women (mature women) want, and it's not the "£5M net worth". I've dumped a guy making £120k GBP p/a because, honestly, he was an ass...
Nice part one video. Can’t wait for the sequel.
Passports NOW!
Ok, I’m to going to add my $0.02 to everyone else’s $0.02. Online dating? Burn it down! We want it gone! If you’re in the top 20% looks wise it’s great but that has always been true. If you’re in the bottom 80% of men it’s hell. Literally hell. It’s a depression machine.
I tell young men, listen to your family and stay close to them. Encourage them to stay in the same community. Take lower paying jobs to be close to their mother/father, aunts/uncles, and especially siblings. Pour your energy into your nephew and nieces even if you have children of your own. If you don’t have children redouble that energy. Love your family. If society has failed to give you a wife give that love to a sister or brother or nephew or niece. They will repay you when you are old and fragile. Above all, remember, family is everything!
100% agree
// if society has failed you to give a wife//
The incel with his entitlement spotted.
Nobody owes you anything.
Also, if you can't get a wife, you can still adopt a child and raise it with your parents , siblings etc.
Women aren't family, children are and you can still have them.
I dont agree with this. There is a concept called reciprocity. This would dictate that others cast their love upon you so you can pay it forward to your loved ones. its not a one-way street. Every one has to participate
@@sunny3907 *if society has failed to produce wifeabls vvomen
You miserabIe woor
Take lower paying jobs? No thank you. Worst advice ever
The problem with online dating is that women use it mainly to farm attention. If there was an app that required users to actually interact with matches in real life within a specified time to maintain an active profile I think you’d sort out the people who are really looking to meet people from the farmers.
Nerd
Yup, she just wants to feel wanted, nothing more.
100%. Vast majority of women on these apps are there out of bad faith. They need their profiles pulled if they ghost matches, or stop swiping in general.
In my time of using a handful of these apps let me tell you, I matched with so many accounts but the big but was they weren't interested in me, they only wanted me to follow their Instagram, SC, or worse sub to their OnlyFans. And what do the head honchos of these apps do? Nothing! You can milk these garbage apps for all they're worth and these people will face nothing for using others like this, it fucking blows.
Tinder is dope. I get 1-2 new hookups per week at UNC. The key is to get in the gym and get buff, treat women with respect, don't lie and show desire. Women can sense I mean business and they respond favorably.
Online dating focuses on vanity metrics and good looks.
1) People are much more nuanced than just a check list (height, music preference? etc..)
2) The majority of men don't pull girls by being being pretty (although it helps). Things like social standing, competence and charisma are much more important for a man in order to attract a mate.
Dating apps only give you a short dopamine hit and none of the substance.
Look at any dating game show of any kind where the vvomen get to know the guy first & then see his face/height at the end
No wonder why the marriage, birth rates are falling along with so many women who are 30+ unmarried!
You are far less likely to find quality online unless if there is mass verification. In fact, college enrollment is falling.
dating apps is a waste of time for men , literally women hop on it to boost their ego and not with the intentions of meeting or dating anyone.
Back in 2007 when I was in my mid 20's I started online dating. I'm a better than average looking guy that usually met my girlfriends through social circles. Trying online was pretty rough at that time for my age group. If seemed like others my age were paired up through friends and or school. After a few years it got easier and I got more consistent results. Probably because people around 30 have exhausted their normal options and then turn to online. I also found that the paid sites like Match where more likely to make meeting someone a priority since they were paying.
online dating is just hookup culture and most people that i talk too in uni dont actually use it
This graph shows that some people were meeting online since 1980 while internet started mid 90s.
fucking Time Travellers. They pop up everywhere now.
@@MagMar-kv9neSo true lol
In 1980 the internet was strictly a college thing and wcbf, channel 5 in Boston, recently showcased a STILL MARRIED couple that met, thru that first college app. (the first couple, i might add) Sweet story 😊
i was once dumb enough to try tinder while beign 5,7 in height, never again.
This was surprisingly informative. Thanks!
It would've been funny if when tinder used an elo system, a bunch of ppl used attractive profile pics and rejected all the attractive ppl
I never used dating apps I always thought it was mostly bots using them
I'm an older guy in sales, and like everything else dating is persistence and keep opening some new doors. I am in Los Angeles, and I can tell you there are a lot of women who say yes to going out. Yes, you will waste a fair amount of time and money, but that was always true in dating. You do need a reasonable level of success with older women, you do need to be buff for young women. But as long as you are somewhat above average in criteria you are going to get a lot of positive attention. Do it in person, not on the web.
Fascinating. Excellent overview.
Online dating has conferred price discovery. Women are more sexually valuable than men. It was barely possible to pretend otherwise before entering the dating commodities exchange.
OTC dating has been all but criminalized. It is a depressing world for most men.
I wondered about Bumble. It’s impossible to get a date when I initiate anyway. Big mistake.
I tried Tinder for about a week, and realized it was a waste of time. I do fine meeting people in person, but I hate the experience on a dating app.
It’s absolutely wild to me how before dating apps I could go on social media sites like nexopia just talked to random people, actually getting to know them, and actually going out to visit girls and go on dates and stuff. And then dating apps came out and it all became superficial and pointless. I went back to picking up girls in real life. Like wow wtf I’ve never even thought of that before.
Dating apps started out decent and then it became the worst. Waiting for the dating app era to die.
I have been on Tinder for 2 and a half months and have not gotten even one date from Tinder. My profile is perfect. I don't understand.
Bc as a sub8, you’ve used it at the WORST time of the year. Best time of year is to use it 3 months before January. Then stop on NYE bc the competition will become a ‘red ocean’
Mid Nov to Dec = best time
Read up on things. It worked for me. Changed a few things around.
Stop using that garbage
'perfect' 😂 doesn't exist. I doubt!
Anyone familiar with how dating apps work know creating actual relationships up is secondary to making money. Women are evolutionarily supposed to be picky and the apps use this to keep women engaged by primarily showing them "pick of the litter" men. Less than 15% of the male Tinder userbase gets over 50% of the female attention. For men they bias it so that the only way to have any chance is to be in this sub 15% "alpha" category or pay for Tinder to push then. A lot of guys try to overcome this by being super aggressive.
Being a socially awkward "runt of the litter" kind of guy who finds paying people to get pushed on women is a special kind of hell...
I believe the 15% is now quite accurate. I think it's less than 3% of males get over half of messages. By any measure the free market dating pool is a winner take all situation. I personally don't have any problems with this; after all, it's just adults making their own decisions and others looking to monetize it. I would hope, though, that prostitution would eventually be legal in the US as that would balance out the free market of average men looking for sex.
@@langhamp8912 Its not a "feeling", its what researchers who actually got to look at the data found.
The way I see it women have always been as picky as they can given circumstances. Now those circumstances let them be as picky as they want and its basically just a competition for the top males. Those top males know it and take full advantage to treat women abominably because they know there's a figurative line for them.
Ultimately the only ones happy are the small fraction of women able to secure sole access to those top males and the top males themselves. Less desirable males will just not get to have families or kids while the majority of women end up alone, childless or single mothers by their own choices.
Not a positive development, fewer children and more single parent families, but that's hypergamy in action for you.
@@langhamp8912 It is a reverse prostitution in a way. Women picking a small group of men ONLY on looks is no different than men paying. What makes prostitution bad then? Are those attractive guys unable to transmit STDs?
The rise part felt much more fleshed out than the fall. That seemed more an invention to form a narrative, when they aren't actually going anywhere or being replaced by anything else.
I tried online dating many, many times and noticed a limiting factor: after a while, you see the same faces. The dating geographic pool, i.e. mates with your preferences in your area, is less than one hundred. After a few weeks, you run out of people who you would want to meet and new people do not join that often, so you lose interest and leave.
"the apps" are back to being for sad, lonely divorcees
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@@iMogggYouuu Is it already over?
@@nelzelpher7158 life gets better once you forget about what you wished you had and just live your life instead
@@nelzelpher7158 nevER began
they thirst trapping so hard for a good profile people to be looking for, while free user will only got fanboy-fangirl-ing with absolute zero chance to have real convo. none of them were focus on the aftermath results and how powerful mouth marketing is. it’s only for people who just want to waste time really.
As a hungarian hearing Mr Élő Árpád as Elo is burning my brain out
Apologies for my poor pronunciation, Arpad Elo was a legendary mathematician
magyar moment
@@wallstreetmillennial no worries. All non native speakers would do similar things. It was my brain that deep down understood the name, but did not manage to realise it
If thats the people in my league then i have some self reflecting to do