Jimbo R After reading Red Platoon I look at Stephan Mace in a while new way, the way he survived with those injuries and the only thing he wanted was a cigarette absolutely amazing courage
the colonel saw a point on a map nobody had been to before and decided he wanted to make a name for himself by sending troops there to establish an outpost. There is a really good book called The Outpost which tells the whole story of the area and the various units who rotated there
The book "The Outpost" does ask the same question and the answers are nowhere near satisfactory. The gist of it is that they thought, being on the road, and close to the locals and villagers they could build relationships with them and basically "win hearts and minds". The sad part is that this stupidity goes on for a long time. Multiple deployments happen and every time the soldiers are asking what the hell is this FOB doing here in an indefensible location.
thank you for the recreation of these. i think it is important for us to know and understand what these men went through... I am also a visual person so this helps greatly. thank you!
The camp was established to serve as an enticing target because it was hard to get the Taliban to attack in big numbers. Thus, when they went for the bait in a full of coordinated attack, the Americans were to call in close air and artillery support. This tactic is an old one that was even used by the French during the Battle of Dien Bien Phu in Vietnam (then Indo China). The problem is that there's no real way of knowing how many enemy will attack, which direction(s) they'll attack from and how heavily they're armed. It's like holding your face out to be hit with no idea that the other guy is holding a long sword behind his back. You may still win that fight, but at a much higher cost than you'd anticipated. The Taliban clearly attacked OP Fritsch to stifle any support efforts on the ground and then spread themselves really thin so that air and artillery support would have had limited effects. By the time the attack was rappelled, the Taliban still enjoyed the luxury of being able to melt back into the mountains and then later prance around the base for news cameras after it was closed (a few days later) as though they won the battle. This encapsulates the Vietnam war. Let the enemy attack on their own terms, succeed in killing a bunch of people who already knew they were cannon fodder and let the rest of the enemy force slip through your fingers and then repeat. Later, wonder why the attacks keep coming.
KHSimages dotcom I read in “Red Platoon” that the biggest taliban bad guy in the area was ransacking their stuff with a few others after the battle not knowing they were about to get bombed to destroy any weapons and intel left behind!
It's almost as if the OICs didn't learn a single FKN thing from the ambush at the battle of Wanat in 2008! Why the Army Intel in charge at that time thought they could put COPs at the bottom of fishbowls & still hold any sort of tactical advantage is beyond me! This was so eerily similar to Wanat that if you removed the dates & posts names you would think it was the same battle they're so similar
9 KIA vs 80 KIA. Each and every soldier lost is a tragedy, but such is the cost of war and the price for freedom. In any other war in history, these would be acceptable numbers. On Iwo Jima, there were 7,000 American KIA and 16,000 Japanese KIA. The battle of La Drang Valley, there were 250 American KIA and 1500 Vietnamese KIA.
@Roach Fan were you limited by ROEs? Did you feel like you could have done .ugh more to the enemy if allowed the necessary authority and support tk do what need be done? I feel that's a common theme. Thank you for your service and sacrifice.
This is a military tactic that has been used for millenia. Setup an enticing target, so your enemy shows their capability. But really only goes to show that military leadership is shit and most only care about how their getting their next medal or ribbon. I loved the military, but poor leadership is the exact reason I only served out one contract. Not worth my life.
@@aewhatever thanks yea it was B's alot of time wasted before they let us go in and help the whole thing is bs for putting them into the situation to begin with
My guess would be Virtual Battle Space 2, it's based on the Real Virtuality engine that is used for ARMA, but it's meant as a training device for our armed forces.
If you want to keep guys totally safe, don't go to war. There's risks you have to take - now whether this is a reasonable risk, I don't know, but the number one priority is mission success, not safety. It's mission, then men.
The location was chosen because it was considered a crossroad of the insurgent supply chain from Pakistan. 3 valleys converged on that point. Don't ask me if that was the correct strategy.
Gotta love the whole “weather hold” thing haha What this means for people who don’t know of the weather is bad that day you are on your own. The enemy also knows this which is why they would simply pick a day of bad weather to attack
Secondly to true north productions, OP Fritsche was on top of a mountain and it was resupplied just fine. Camp Keating was never resupplied by truck once in the 14 months I was there. The road that it was next to was not useable. The only way to resupply was by air. We scouted numerous new locations for the camp on higher ground but never heard anything back from the higher ups. That's what pisses me off soo much. a year and a half before this haplened the brass new this was going to happen, it could have been prevented, but nothing was done. and to everyone else throwing around accusations or trying to put in their two cents, STOP. If you've never been there you have no idea what you're talking about, you just don't know. so stop speculating and stop trying to sound like you know what happened, or what could/should have been done. The only people who have earned the right to speculate are the people who spent those blood sweat and years defending this valley. If you don't belong to that very small group of men shut your mouth. Watch the video if you want, but shut your mouth.
No offence intended , but we are free to discuss this if we want. You say .... "That's what pisses me off soo much. a year and a half before this haplened the brass new this was going to happen, it could have been prevented, but nothing was done." Is it common that such 'scouting' reports are ignored by higher ups?
Welldone man! We can not speculate from a 10 minutes video. Let me introduce, my name is George, innovator in Defense solutions. We believe you guys who were there, you have already think about what vehicles or equipment could have done the difference. We have being studying this battle for a long time and we humbly believe we can help prevent such results in future attack if we have your help, to develop new vehicles, simple but efficient. Small armored UAV´s for short range contact, and small UGV armored for short long contact. Of course we would love to share with you guys and with KIA´s families most of the profit. I hope we can make a difference. Thanks for the time reading those lines. Regards, George Carbonell CRI, Concept & Radical Ideas
Jorge there were only 3 trucks there. poorly defended bec ause it was only about 50 U.S Soldiers there at a time and we sat in a fucking owl basic ally. surrounded 360 by mountains and the only way out was through the air. i remeber getting attacked multiple time throught the day and sometimes day after day. only peac e was when the mountains were covered in snow. My question was always why the fuck care we here. whats the purpose of Keating. Worst ever location to setup a base.. R.I.P SSG Martin and all others
Oct 3rd... seems to be a common "Alamo" type engagement for the US. Blackhawk Down was also on an Oct. 3rd. I can't wait for the new movie The Outpost to come out. It was supposed to have premiered in March 2020but was cancelled.
I just finished reading Red Platoon and figured I'd see if there were any videos related to it. Was this done in Project Reality? Looks like BF2 for sure... just curious.
@@flare242 Later VBS2 versions do have better graphics. They switched to Real Virtuality 3 in VBS2 2.0. This was made with an earlier version. ruclips.net/video/O6oaadVFP_c/видео.html
@ScharfSchutzen I've watched it, incredible movie. I've also watched a lot of documentaries on it and other big military fuck ups during the war in Afghanistan.
It wasn't a bad movie, had good military advisors on the production and you can tell. The book Red Platoon goes into a lot of detail. Happy 4th everyone, remember these men and their sacrifice. Im forever grateful 🙏 🇺🇸
We pulled a lot of dudes out that evening. A word of advice to all aspiring 15T: casevac sounds fun till you become real world casevac; and hero missions happen in the blink of an eye.
“To improve relations with the local villagers” it was a complete disregard for the soldiers safety, and this attack made many other “indefensible” COP’s get abandoned
Straight up incompetence. When I was out there as a Marine with 2/3, we would do nightly security patrols/night ambushes around the COP. Did they suck? Yep, but it prevented the enemy from setting in like this. Hope the Army used this as a learning experience
This is basically Dien Bien Phu only worse, as at least the French didn't know the Viet Minh would be able to transport artillery to the surrounding high points and place them in defiladed positions. This placement is just mind-bendingly poor and I can't see how anyone at any point thought it was a good idea.
Well produced...having read Red Platoon and The Outpost..this provides visual acuity to the battle. And lastly, what gave higher the rational that Keating, Wanat or Restrepo would not be the focus of intense AAF contact? RH/COP Gardex 2003-4
I think places like Restrepo were there because they WOULD draw in the bad guys; when you think about it, as Sebastian Junger said, that platoon at Restrepo almost than half of all the combat in the country directed at it.
+Der Aua thay lie too you is why its one more thing to keep the army going when there no need for it the more deaths more you ask why more thay must do something about it send in more or go home
@@Boris_Chang Well a head and a torso and a couple of limbs IS pretty much several dead bodies. Thing is, if you let the enemy control 'the pace' they also control their casualties.
Because the most difficult part of fighting an insurgency is that killing one guy makes three more. For example, imagine you ans you're friends on the fence about fighting a foreign force, but your brother/father/friend is all about it. But then he gets killed one day and it pisses you off enough to go. Maybe some of your friends come with you. And repeat and repeat and repeat.
It's a shame...all these battles for zero benefit.... nothing... except to make our leaders at the time rich...bush... Chaney....ect..put boys in a grinder
It's a derivative of one of the Arma games, Arma2 I think. We used the same system for a land nav introduction. It's a flexible, if basic, program, and is very useful for things like this, where you don't need high detail, and can probably get away with placeholders as long as it conveys the point
@AFineChannelForUsing thank you, I'd forgotten the name of it. As I said, we used it once as a tool to do a pre-deployment refresher course on basic land nav prior to actually going out to the field. As I understand, the DoD uses it for quite a number of things, including a convoy simulator, although I've never seen that one.
no mention of many many details-which ones? The mistakes,of course. Total snow job. Dereliction of duty by company, battalion, and brigade commanders was finding of official study, which Army then tossed and wrote again as a whitewash. 2nd study, which this is based upon, was only given through interviews with officers at Company HQ and above, hence not a single eyewitness- hence sparse detail in this video recreation? See the book " The Outpost" Jake Trapper
Everyone says this was a American loss. I look at it this way. If under 60 Taliban could hold off 300 Americans troops and push them out of their base and put them on retreat it would be seen different. Those guys had the odds stacked and still made it out.
Why they wouldn't have put the base at the top of one of those mountains I will never understand 2000 feet is a lot but would've been preferable to the kill box they were placed in
Once again, the US put good men in a perilous area without the tools necessary to defend themselves. Once again, they made do and did an amazing job. Vietnam mentality once again.
Placing of the COP was bait but at least have overwhelming force to counter act the absolute shit show it was in the battle. Anyway they don’t read our comments here, so more of this will happen. This is the nature of war
I've never served and am certainly no military expert. But I don't understand the location choice for COP Keating. Why placed the troops right in the middle of the bottom of a bowl surrounded by enemies high above on all sides? Our guys were sitting ducks. Fortunately, the Taliban were too stupid to take advantage of the situation. Ever heard of Dien Bien Phu, a much larger scenario with a much, much bigger force sitting in the middle of the bowl?
He didn’t write the book or make the movie bruh, and also there’s no courage in running immediately when the shooting starts (atleast the few ANA that even bothered to show up)
1 Afghan and 8 US warriors killed in 1 battle, must of been so demoralising for the remaining soldiers, when we used to loose just a single warrior at once it was devastating and morale wluld suffer.
First of all, whoever made this video need to make sure they are pronouncing names correctly, especially those of observation posts named after fallen soldiers. You disgrace my squad leader. His name is Fritsche not fritch.
tsolfanatic1 Hey guy, lighten up a little. I don’t think the author was trying to disrespect your friend. I just came across this video........I was one the AH64 pilots there that day. It was a crazy day. There were a lot things that went wrong, and moments of chaos.........but don’t think anyone is trying to overtly make fun of your fellow soldier.
Blackhawk and the chinook have max ceilings of 18,500 to 19,000......and horses and pack mules are still used. Could still hold much higher ground while training and interdicting.
austin brooks Exactly, but this video used the VBS (Virtual Battle Station) is a small game the military to just to make virtual training combat, I never played the VBS but say it is very good ... but the engine is of Armed Assault and Operation Flashpoint yes company BIS Studios ... Very good the engine of this company no doubt!
austin brooks It's a program they use to make the game world, animated movements among other things ... For example, simulators games they walk using a graphical physical enough to make realistic movements and realistic interaction with the game back to real life
Hmmm number freaking 3 why was no one charged for dereliction of duty when the facts of this conflict and its poor mangement came to light? It appears to me that someone volunteered for some unwanted duty with a low man bid so they could get some points for an operation in which they could serve in absentia while some real soldiers did all the work and bled for it. This smells like some officer with a yellow spinemade more rank with a pen filled with the red blood of soldiers.
We all should find solace in the fact that so many attackers lost their lives. Well our losses were so little but so great at the same time. They were all soldiers and died a soldiers death. Me tipping my hat to you
Not complaining just stating. It's pronounced "Fritch-ee" I grew up in his hometown, my father worked with his mother. Good people. When I deployed to Wardak I knew immediately who it was named after.
I will tell what makes you go Hmmmm. I was a 27E when I was in, so I had no real infantry tactics training. I did read CSM Gallagher's book on low intensity conflict as a PFC. Hmmm #1 why was the OP out of sight of the position it was to watch? Hmm #2 why was ISR assets that could have given the Soldiers at COP Keating better situational awareness of their operational environment reprioritized to support Barge-e Matal when probes of the COP were being commited?
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My battle buddy was KIA in this battle... R.I.P SPC. Stephan Mace, miss you man.. see you at fiddlers green.
Fiddlers Green in Denver?
Fiddlers green is the resting place of cavalry troopers, its neither heaven nor hell, its a green halfway down the path to hell.
-Former 19D
sorry for your lost
Jimbo R After reading Red Platoon I look at Stephan Mace in a while new way, the way he survived with those injuries and the only thing he wanted was a cigarette absolutely amazing courage
Halfway down the trail to hell in a shady meadow green
COP stands for Combat OutPost for those who don’t know, and OP stands for Observation Post.
What does FOP stands for??
@@cloaker........5087forward operating post I think
10 years now and we've not forgotten R.I.P. SGT C. Griffen
No we haven't
A hero is remembered
Nah
every tactical and strategic rule was broken in the placement and defense. what was the leadership thinking?
Leadership? HA!
the camp name after some who got kill in truck crash proving you can,t get trucks their
the colonel saw a point on a map nobody had been to before and decided he wanted to make a name for himself by sending troops there to establish an outpost. There is a really good book called The Outpost which tells the whole story of the area and the various units who rotated there
The book "The Outpost" does ask the same question and the answers are nowhere near satisfactory. The gist of it is that they thought, being on the road, and close to the locals and villagers they could build relationships with them and basically "win hearts and minds". The sad part is that this stupidity goes on for a long time. Multiple deployments happen and every time the soldiers are asking what the hell is this FOB doing here in an indefensible location.
U read the book huh good ass book
thank you for the recreation of these. i think it is important for us to know and understand what these men went through... I am also a visual person so this helps greatly. thank you!
Don’t forget the 2 Latvian advisors that was there too
Screw those guys only Americans matter you idiot
@@philerrainis1211 bruh
@@philerrainis1211 Exactly
@@philerrainis1211 bruh
The camp was established to serve as an enticing target because it was hard to get the Taliban to attack in big numbers. Thus, when they went for the bait in a full of coordinated attack, the Americans were to call in close air and artillery support. This tactic is an old one that was even used by the French during the Battle of Dien Bien Phu in Vietnam (then Indo China). The problem is that there's no real way of knowing how many enemy will attack, which direction(s) they'll attack from and how heavily they're armed. It's like holding your face out to be hit with no idea that the other guy is holding a long sword behind his back. You may still win that fight, but at a much higher cost than you'd anticipated. The Taliban clearly attacked OP Fritsch to stifle any support efforts on the ground and then spread themselves really thin so that air and artillery support would have had limited effects. By the time the attack was rappelled, the Taliban still enjoyed the luxury of being able to melt back into the mountains and then later prance around the base for news cameras after it was closed (a few days later) as though they won the battle. This encapsulates the Vietnam war. Let the enemy attack on their own terms, succeed in killing a bunch of people who already knew they were cannon fodder and let the rest of the enemy force slip through your fingers and then repeat. Later, wonder why the attacks keep coming.
KHSimages dotcom I read in “Red Platoon” that the biggest taliban bad guy in the area was ransacking their stuff with a few others after the battle not knowing they were about to get bombed to destroy any weapons and intel left behind!
We came for a comment not a fuckin novel jeez
Jeff Knott 😂😂😂
I thought their was a cat and mouse type of objective as well
@snsproduc don't be logical my guy, it's the army
R.I.P. Ssg martin your in our hearts and minds forever
RIP Sgt Joshua M. Hardt and Sgt Joshua J Kirk.
Rest In Peace my brother...Captain Pierre E. Piche, 101st ABN, AA - KIA, Mosul, Iraq
It's almost as if the OICs didn't learn a single FKN thing from the ambush at the battle of Wanat in 2008! Why the Army Intel in charge at that time thought they could put COPs at the bottom of fishbowls & still hold any sort of tactical advantage is beyond me! This was so eerily similar to Wanat that if you removed the dates & posts names you would think it was the same battle they're so similar
9 KIA vs 80 KIA. Each and every soldier lost is a tragedy, but such is the cost of war and the price for freedom. In any other war in history, these would be acceptable numbers. On Iwo Jima, there were 7,000 American KIA and 16,000 Japanese KIA. The battle of La Drang Valley, there were 250 American KIA and 1500 Vietnamese KIA.
@Roach Fan were you limited by ROEs? Did you feel like you could have done .ugh more to the enemy if allowed the necessary authority and support tk do what need be done? I feel that's a common theme. Thank you for your service and sacrifice.
This is a military tactic that has been used for millenia.
Setup an enticing target, so your enemy shows their capability.
But really only goes to show that military leadership is shit and most only care about how their getting their next medal or ribbon.
I loved the military, but poor leadership is the exact reason I only served out one contract.
Not worth my life.
Thay did to get a easy reaction an basicly a pawn for the afghans to show them selfs remember vietnam
RIP Joshua Hardt. You will allways be in our hearts.
Thank you so very much for your hard work brining us these mini docs
I gotta give you props. This is a great recreation and I appreciate attention to detail! Thumbs up
i know a guy who was part of the qrf, he showed me some pictures and one of them was of the humvee, the interior was red
I am 14 and after reading the red platoon, I am sad that such good people had to go through that but thankfull that some made it home
Terrible base placement..surrounded by high ground. Incredible men! Thank you much.
Ummm at the start it says why it’s there but u are right
Thanks for posting. It's a good resource for ppl to learn what happened.
I was part of the qrf team they took forever for us to be released to go down to get to them 3rd 10th mountain 1-32 inf
I'll say it. That whole " hurry up and wait" crap is fine during peacetime. But when it's go time, it's go NOW time. Hats off to you buddy
@@Cruzer871 thank you
@@aewhatever thanks yea it was B's alot of time wasted before they let us go in and help the whole thing is bs for putting them into the situation to begin with
Amen to you Michael, for risking your own life in defense of others. We civilians will never know what you experienced.
Was 1-87 part of that too
My guess would be Virtual Battle Space 2, it's based on the Real Virtuality engine that is used for ARMA, but it's meant as a training device for our armed forces.
Why would they build anything at such a disadvantageous position?
The ISAF mission was connected to civilians, they had to try and balance security with the capacity to effectively carry out their mission.
Because the officers in charge wanted to win the hearts and minds, not keep their guys safe. Their priorities were wrong.
If you want to keep guys totally safe, don't go to war. There's risks you have to take - now whether this is a reasonable risk, I don't know, but the number one priority is mission success, not safety. It's mission, then men.
The location was chosen because it was considered a crossroad of the insurgent supply chain from Pakistan. 3 valleys converged on that point. Don't ask me if that was the correct strategy.
It was a crossroad ,thought they could stop the flow from Pakistan but..
I watched this after the movie. The movie was great but, I dont think it does enough justice to the whole story.
Gotta love the whole “weather hold” thing haha What this means for people who don’t know of the weather is bad that day you are on your own. The enemy also knows this which is why they would simply pick a day of bad weather to attack
r.i.p SSG Martin
Secondly to true north productions, OP Fritsche was on top of a mountain and it was resupplied just fine. Camp Keating was never resupplied by truck once in the 14 months I was there. The road that it was next to was not useable. The only way to resupply was by air. We scouted numerous new locations for the camp on higher ground but never heard anything back from the higher ups. That's what pisses me off soo much. a year and a half before this haplened the brass new this was going to happen, it could have been prevented, but nothing was done.
and to everyone else throwing around accusations or trying to put in their two cents, STOP. If you've never been there you have no idea what you're talking about, you just don't know. so stop speculating and stop trying to sound like you know what happened, or what could/should have been done. The only people who have earned the right to speculate are the people who spent those blood sweat and years defending this valley. If you don't belong to that very small group of men shut your mouth. Watch the video if you want, but shut your mouth.
No offence intended , but we are free to discuss this if we want.
You say ....
"That's what pisses me off soo much. a year and a half before this haplened the brass new this was going to happen, it could have been prevented, but nothing was done."
Is it common that such 'scouting' reports are ignored by higher ups?
Welldone man! We can not speculate from a 10 minutes video.
Let me introduce, my name is George, innovator in Defense solutions. We believe you guys who were there, you have already think about what vehicles or equipment could have done the difference.
We have being studying this battle for a long time and we humbly believe we can help prevent such results in future attack if we have your help, to develop new vehicles, simple but efficient.
Small armored UAV´s for short range contact, and small UGV armored for short long contact. Of course we would love to share with you guys and with KIA´s families most of the profit.
I hope we can make a difference.
Thanks for the time reading those lines.
Regards,
George Carbonell
CRI, Concept & Radical Ideas
Jorge there were only 3 trucks there. poorly defended bec ause it was only about 50 U.S Soldiers there at a time and we sat in a fucking owl basic ally. surrounded 360 by mountains and the only way out was through the air. i remeber getting attacked multiple time throught the day and sometimes day after day. only peac e was when the mountains were covered in snow. My question was always why the fuck care we here. whats the purpose of Keating. Worst ever location to setup a base.. R.I.P SSG Martin and all others
tsolfanatic1 1/91 CAV?
+Alan Helton yeah
Thank you for your service
Why the term "Anti-Afghan Forces" isn't that the Taliban?
Oct 3rd... seems to be a common "Alamo" type engagement for the US. Blackhawk Down was also on an Oct. 3rd. I can't wait for the new movie The Outpost to come out. It was supposed to have premiered in March 2020but was cancelled.
Nice job making this, very clear! Thanks!
What is a helicopter strafing run?
$37,600
Quick reaction force took 13 hours to get there? I know it was hell on earth but is that really a Quick Reaction force?
Same situation as Wanat a year earlier. In a remote area,isolated infantry group and ANA an locals not coaperating and this happens.
I just finished reading Red Platoon and figured I'd see if there were any videos related to it. Was this done in Project Reality? Looks like BF2 for sure... just curious.
CLYDE FROG BF2?
Virtual Battlefield Simulator. It's the govt edition of the Arma game series
Watch The Outpost on Netflix
Their are two great videos about the heros of Keating one is a movie and the other is a 45 minute video about it and who Keating was a great man
Charles Keating, he was a Navy Seal and a great soldier.
I wonder what SW was used to do this visualisation. It looks like a cross between early Delta Force games and maybe first Arma?
VBS 2. It's based on ARMA: Armed Assault using the Real Virtuality 2 engine.
@@Sircliffe Oh wow, i never seen VBS 2 in action. BTW i thought that VBS 2 had better graphics, this looks dated as hell. Even Arma looked better.
@@Sircliffe Thanks, tho!
@@flare242 Later VBS2 versions do have better graphics. They switched to Real Virtuality 3 in VBS2 2.0. This was made with an earlier version.
ruclips.net/video/O6oaadVFP_c/видео.html
@@Sircliffe Thanks.
Vbs?
Is the simulation ArmA?
Can't imagine being the two that got stuck in the mortar pit.
Theres a video of them called “Cop Keating 2009” firing the mortar and mounted 240s that day.
@ScharfSchutzen I've watched it, incredible movie.
I've also watched a lot of documentaries on it and other big military fuck ups during the war in Afghanistan.
I hope that the movie the outpost keeps it accurate
It wasn't a bad movie, had good military advisors on the production and you can tell. The book Red Platoon goes into a lot of detail. Happy 4th everyone, remember these men and their sacrifice. Im forever grateful 🙏 🇺🇸
@@l.s8404 I was a 19d in hood met a couple guys from 3-61 that pcs to hood that we're at Keating
@@seantbr2019 thats awesome, I've never served but really appreciate those that have
Great video using VBS2 or VBS3, oh and we are not using this software as a program of record... FML
We pulled a lot of dudes out that evening.
A word of advice to all aspiring 15T: casevac sounds fun till you become real world casevac; and hero missions happen in the blink of an eye.
Ignorant question, but why would you they but a bace in the valley?
“To improve relations with the local villagers” it was a complete disregard for the soldiers safety, and this attack made many other “indefensible” COP’s get abandoned
Generals that suffer from jackasstinnitus
The graphics are cute. What game or platform was used here?
decimated550 It looks like America’s Army, once an electronic training tool.
It's ArmA, probably Arma 2: Operation arrowhead.
@@Pain-mr2hn Judging by the sound, I'd say more like ArmA 1.
VBS (virtual battlefield simulator)
Straight up incompetence. When I was out there as a Marine with 2/3, we would do nightly security patrols/night ambushes around the COP. Did they suck? Yep, but it prevented the enemy from setting in like this. Hope the Army used this as a learning experience
This is basically Dien Bien Phu only worse, as at least the French didn't know the Viet Minh would be able to transport artillery to the surrounding high points and place them in defiladed positions. This placement is just mind-bendingly poor and I can't see how anyone at any point thought it was a good idea.
So this is a Bait Camp, RIP the Baits
What game is this ? VBS ?
Well produced...having read Red Platoon and The Outpost..this provides visual acuity to the battle. And lastly, what gave higher the rational that Keating, Wanat or Restrepo would not be the focus of intense AAF contact? RH/COP Gardex 2003-4
I think places like Restrepo were there because they WOULD draw in the bad guys; when you think about it, as Sebastian Junger said, that platoon at Restrepo almost than half of all the combat in the country directed at it.
My favorite part of the video was this: 4:54
The GIS -- DEM-- Slope Percent map is always cool to see
How come we are still losing in Afghanistan with these kill ratios?
+Der Aua thay lie too you is why its one more thing to keep the army going when there no need for it the more deaths more you ask why more thay must do something about it send in more or go home
Remember in Nam where they’d find a VC in pieces (two arms two legs a head and a torso) and count each piece as a kill, for an enemy KIA count of six?
@@Boris_Chang Well a head and a torso and a couple of limbs IS pretty much several dead bodies. Thing is, if you let the enemy control 'the pace' they also control their casualties.
Because the most difficult part of fighting an insurgency is that killing one guy makes three more.
For example, imagine you ans you're friends on the fence about fighting a foreign force, but your brother/father/friend is all about it. But then he gets killed one day and it pisses you off enough to go. Maybe some of your friends come with you.
And repeat and repeat and repeat.
Well done, thanks.
RIP TO THOSE WHO SERVE OUR COUNTRY THEY WERE TO YOUNG AND BRIGHT. I wish we didn’t have to fight dumb fights like this.
It is necessary sometimes unfortunately.
It's a shame...all these battles for zero benefit.... nothing... except to make our leaders at the time rich...bush... Chaney....ect..put boys in a grinder
Damn the animation in this is........ unusual! It looks like it’s very low quality yet the movements are actually quite fluid and realistic. 🧐🤨🤔
It's a derivative of one of the Arma games, Arma2 I think. We used the same system for a land nav introduction. It's a flexible, if basic, program, and is very useful for things like this, where you don't need high detail, and can probably get away with placeholders as long as it conveys the point
@@andrewshepherd1537 It's called Virtual Battle Space
@AFineChannelForUsing thank you, I'd forgotten the name of it. As I said, we used it once as a tool to do a pre-deployment refresher course on basic land nav prior to actually going out to the field. As I understand, the DoD uses it for quite a number of things, including a convoy simulator, although I've never seen that one.
Great animations, what did you use for this??
Looks like ARMA 1 to me but I could be wrong.
+ArmoredBrigadeFilms This is VBS2 but it uses the ARMA 1 engine.
no can you send me a link or something
Who ever decided to put a base at the bottom of a valley where you can get attacked by 360⁰ was sn idiot
The Scouts at COP Keating are still in my thoughts often. Drinks are on me when I get to the Green brothers.
Is this like Arma 1? The animation and textures look identical to Arma!
Probably animation
no mention of many many details-which ones? The mistakes,of course. Total snow job.
Dereliction of duty by company, battalion, and brigade commanders was finding of official study, which Army then tossed and wrote again as a whitewash.
2nd study, which this is based upon, was only given through interviews with officers at Company HQ and above, hence not a single eyewitness- hence sparse detail in this video recreation?
See the book " The Outpost" Jake Trapper
Everyone says this was a American loss. I look at it this way. If under 60 Taliban could hold off 300 Americans troops and push them out of their base and put them on retreat it would be seen different. Those guys had the odds stacked and still made it out.
They got fuk up the mofos
Why they wouldn't have put the base at the top of one of those mountains I will never understand
2000 feet is a lot but would've been preferable to the kill box they were placed in
Once again, the US put good men in a perilous area without the tools necessary to defend themselves. Once again, they made do and did an amazing job. Vietnam mentality once again.
13-16 before wounded were taken by helicopter? So much for the golden hour for them.
Placing of the COP was bait but at least have overwhelming force to counter act the absolute shit show it was in the battle. Anyway they don’t read our comments here, so more of this will happen. This is the nature of war
Whats the name of this game?
real life...
He just don't know brother..... it's all a game to guys like him.
Looks like VBS or Arma.
Germ .Fish its based off of arma engine
Thanks dude
Great simulator! Wow rest in honor to those fallen soldiers.
I've never served and am certainly no military expert. But I don't understand the location choice for COP Keating. Why placed the troops right in the middle of the bottom of a bowl surrounded by enemies high above on all sides? Our guys were sitting ducks. Fortunately, the Taliban were too stupid to take advantage of the situation. Ever heard of Dien Bien Phu, a much larger scenario with a much, much bigger force sitting in the middle of the bowl?
Because the people overseeing it were dumb as fuck and sent our guys down there to “improve relations with the local villagers”
Leader Incompetence
When that was the day you were born: Oh shi-
I wish I could have been half the soldier these men were.
I was born on October 3rd 2009.
Damn your young
It is a real shame that you did not write about the courage of the Afghan forces in the book and film you made Afghan forces have always supported you
Most of them abandon their forces
He didn’t write the book or make the movie bruh, and also there’s no courage in running immediately when the shooting starts (atleast the few ANA that even bothered to show up)
they should do 1 on the battle of wanat
Saber AO, what a place...
good thing they released a movie
Rip Orlando Bloom
No mention of OFP for the recreation? lol
It's not OFP, it's VBS2
Thank God for those 44 CAS airframes
is this referencing what i think it is
cud ,że zdołali to obronić.
peter berg please make a movie about this battle !
Arma 2 games
Bohemia Interactive makes some banger ass military simulation
Completely agree with you.
1 Afghan and 8 US warriors killed in 1 battle, must of been so demoralising for the remaining soldiers, when we used to loose just a single warrior at once it was devastating and morale wluld suffer.
LRAS 1 This is LRAS 2 We Need an Ammo
Why do you put fobs and cops in the middle of valleys?!
We can secure the high ground with mortars, artillery and air strikes.
😳
4:50 guy gets blown off the mountain
Keating the most unpatriotic place
Who the hell goes into gully
Unfortunately there were quite a few OPs that were placed in such poor geography with no tactical value
First of all, whoever made this video need to make sure they are pronouncing names correctly, especially those of observation posts named after fallen soldiers. You disgrace my squad leader. His name is Fritsche not fritch.
tsolfanatic1 Hey guy, lighten up a little. I don’t think the author was trying to disrespect your friend. I just came across this video........I was one the AH64 pilots there that day. It was a crazy day. There were a lot things that went wrong, and moments of chaos.........but don’t think anyone is trying to overtly make fun of your fellow soldier.
@@Pete31Heavy were you really now?
Pete31Heavy I was there myself...on the ground though.
Blackhawk and the chinook have max ceilings of 18,500 to 19,000......and horses and pack mules are still used. Could still hold much higher ground while training and interdicting.
This was awesome! The graphic style. Bad events.They
Lol
fuzzam!
Look like a Operation Flashpoint... Nice game I recommended!
Bruno Monteiro every body knows only this is the ARMA series
austin brooks Exactly, but this video used the VBS (Virtual Battle Station) is a small game the military to just to make virtual training combat, I never played the VBS but say it is very good ... but the engine is of Armed Assault and Operation Flashpoint yes company BIS Studios ... Very good the engine of this company no doubt!
Bruno Monteiro
is that the latest generation engine?
austin brooks It's a program they use to make the game world, animated movements among other things ... For example, simulators games they walk using a graphical physical enough to make realistic movements and realistic interaction with the game back to real life
cool. sucks for call of duty n fake battlefield
Hmmm number freaking 3 why was no one charged for dereliction of duty when the facts of this conflict and its poor mangement came to light? It appears to me that someone volunteered for some unwanted duty with a low man bid so they could get some points for an operation in which they could serve in absentia while some real soldiers did all the work and bled for it. This smells like some officer with a yellow spinemade more rank with a pen filled with the red blood of soldiers.
The commander was reprimanded for not allowing maintenance o. Defenceive weapons... Read Red Platoon
We all should find solace in the fact that so many attackers lost their lives. Well our losses were so little but so great at the same time. They were all soldiers and died a soldiers death. Me tipping my hat to you
rip kevin
Thomson was a cool guy
You can see a downed helicopter outside op fritsche on Apple Maps
Hey man, let's put outpost in low ground and let's just concede the high ground to the enemy...they won't use it. Ok, sounds good private.
Why not . If HE Almighty has predestined that I will not die of a bullet or laser guided bomb whatsoever, I will never die that way .
Not complaining just stating. It's pronounced "Fritch-ee" I grew up in his hometown, my father worked with his mother. Good people. When I deployed to Wardak I knew immediately who it was named after.
I will tell what makes you go Hmmmm. I was a 27E when I was in, so I had no real infantry tactics training. I did read CSM Gallagher's book on low intensity conflict as a PFC. Hmmm #1 why was the OP out of sight of the position it was to watch? Hmm #2 why was ISR assets that could have given the Soldiers at COP Keating better situational awareness of their operational environment reprioritized to support Barge-e Matal when probes of the COP were being commited?