@@Sadix99 That's right, I never understood why people get so obsessed about amps since the cabinet makes for about 70% of the sound. You see so many different videos comparing amps and pedals and far less about cabs.
Awesome! Excellent! Thanks! I have no other words to describe how grateful I am! This answers my question in full! Please continue with the hashtag, that's a great idea! And continue working on the channel, I love what you are doing!
The Mesa has more grind to it which is crazy awesome! The 5150 has a lot more gain to it. For me the go to amp for Lead guitar is the 5150. For Rhythm is going to the Badlander for the gritty rectifier distortion tones 💀
Eh, they benefit from a Tubescreamer being on for sure. I remember I used mine for rhythms on a track, and forgotten I'd turned my TS9 off, and when I listened back, I was like "There's something underwhelming about this..." It was lacking that bite that OD pedals give. Had to re-do the tracks.
@@Nick-rf5we that wasn't actually what I meant to say with my comment, but I'll tell you this: Marten Hagström said he tracked Immutable using the preamp or a 100w EVH III into a mesa roadster power amp driving EVH cabs. So I wasn't too far off with my statement.
I actually prefer the Mesa Boogie, however slightly. They're both dope, but the palm-muted chugs sound better on the Badlander. The 5150 just sounds a little brittle to me when chugging. I'd like to try panning one of each to each side - they probably sound great together.
The Badlander is just such a classic sound. It may come and go in and out of fashion from time to time, but it will be around forever. As great as the EVH sounds, I'm not sure you could say the same.
The Badlander is currently a more vintage sound vs the 5150 that is more modern. I get what you're saying. However, the 5150 will be around to stay maybe even more than the Badlander.
Nice comparison. I own a 5150 IIIS and a Tube Screamer in front of the third channel isn’t really necessary even with the gain below 12 o‘clock. The third channel has more than enough gain stages and diode clipping. For the Badlander it makes sense to get rid of some of the bassy flubbyness. The second channel of the Stealth is really what distinguishes it from the basic 5150 III, since it’s first gain stage is the first triode of the third channel with a different coupling cap and voltage dividers following.
Tremonti does use pairs of amp. Last time i saw a stage it was a Dual Rectifier and a Diezel. Parkway Drive does use the 5150 for their base sound. But they highly modify the amp befor they capture it with the Kemper, and sadly they don't tell people what they do by now.
Literally have been researching this for the past week. Talk about a big coincidence! But I'm set on buying the Badlander. To me it seems it has a better low end sound. The EVH sounds a little thin. Thank you for this though! Love the new playlist idea!
This is an excellent way to kick off the new series! Hope we'll see more gear comparisons in the future... lots of gear reviews out there but not as many videos putting similar products head to head to decide the absolute best :). Loved it, can't wait for more!
What is your "go to" tube for the power section? I have a Diezel VH4 and Diezel VHZ with KT-77's but everyone tells me these amps totally come to life when modded with either 6L6's or 6550's. Cheers Ola!
Great new series! Love it! Got an 5150III 50W Version and for rythms i use the blue channel. Just increase the gain until it becomes chunky (in my case around 11 o clock) and then Kick a TS9 with Drive at 0 and volume fully open in front of it. Adjust the TS9 tone knob up to your taste and Enjoy! :D would love to hear this settings in comparison to the badlander. Stay Heavy my Friends 🤘
I've never liked dual or triple rec's. Owned each twice. Other than the old tremoverb dual that's much tighter and more Master of Puppets-ish. (Never owned only played) The badlander seems to have nailed what i had always hoped the rectifier metal tone would be
the thing about the mesa was the mids grunt and i recon it would sit better in the mix, with something to tighten the bottom end. i'm of the opinion that it's easier to take something out of a sound than to add something thats not naturally there. to me the evh was scooped and tight but lacked personality.
Badlander with the TS was my favorite tonally in this instance. The 5150 would be my preference if I was using a 7 string or any tuning A and below I'd probably go that route.
Definitely two different amps but I would take the EVH every time 🤘🏼 Thr Badlander needs pedals, the EVH doesn’t need anything, like Ola said.. it’s a complete package.
IMO the Mesa has plenty of natural low end that really wouldn't benefit from a resonance control, so I don't consider that a negative. The EVH benefits from it because it's a little thinner by design. With a boost, it's the opposite... the Mesa benefits more from a boost and the EVH has so much gain on tap that it doesn't need any help other than maybe to tighten it up a bit. Both are crushing but I lean towards the Mesa (own both as well as other Mesas and EVH's).
Great Respongse 🤘the Mesa Badlander 25 lunchbox is on my buy list… I have the EVH 5150III stealth LBX and love it ❤️ awesome video Ola 🤘🔥🤘 I think both amps sound awesome in their own ways 🤘🔥🤘
EVH 5150 III 100w el34 & 100w stealth have a secret function. Blue gain pot effects a gain structure of red channel. Try change blue gain while you are in red channel. When pot is higher it cuts the bass and gain is stronger. When pot is lower bass are boosted and gain reduced. For almost same gain structure as 50w version or original 100w you must set blue channel gain pot on 3,5.
Hey Ola, love the series. Does removing tone pot/pots from the circuit make the pickups hotter, and if so is the difference really that audible. Wish you all the best in 2023, and maybe 1 mill, who knows...
I’m not Ola, sorry, but yes. Removing the pots does increase the output a little, you’ll also get more high end. You can install a blower switch on a push pull or toggle switch to bypass everything and just go straight to the output jack.
#pleaserespong Choosing mic set ups, one mic or blending more than one mic together. What is your thoughts and process for this. Or do you ever blend more than one amp together?
Badlander for me. For some reason the EVH lacks definition, when Ola is doing fast changes it just seems to get lost, whereas the badlander I can hear everything very clearly. Maybe it’s just the way Ola has it dialed in on the EVH. I’d still rather have the badlander though.
Through headphones listening to the video; it seemed the MESA had a bit more growl, mid seemed beefier. But I am sure anyone would be thrilled with either. 😊
One thing that jumps out at me right way as a gigging musician is the size difference. I love the compact size of the Badlander. Much easier to carry around, and it'll fit on a 24" wide 2x12 cab. I have the 50 watt version. Kinda wish I had paid a little extra for the 100 watter since they're the same size. Both these amps sound killer though. Thanks Ola!
Cool Video, Thanks Ola excellent playing, I have both amps but Mesa Badlander through Mesa Cabinets V 30's and the EVH 5150 IIIS through the EVH Cabs & Greenbacks, there's the difference and how I think they sound the best and different.
i sold my EVH 50w stealth to get a badlander 50W...the EVH had kind of a "sterile" sound to my ears...plenty of gain but just wasn't my thing after a while...i pair the badlander with my mesa mark IV in a stereo rig with a little pepers dirty tree mixed in (TC mode) and i'm all set!!!
Ola ! Would like to see how you record. The process ( short version). Going from either tube amp or plug-in's. Also what new interfaces do you think are good for less than $1000. Avid, Universal Audio, Apogee and etc. Maybe a 2023 in-depth studio desk review?? Thanks again for the great content !!
I prefer the mesa, which is interesting because the last mesa I played, I didnt like it, it wasnt very clear, kind of muddy, and I didnt have time to dial it in for something I liked, so I kind of wrote it off. It was a mark 5.
hello Ola!! I really enjoy your videos. if you have some time to spare i would like to learn your opinion about engl ironball se peavy 6505 or invective and prs mt15. Which one would you prefer for metal
Having an EVH5150III 50 Stealth and a Mesa Dual Rectifier, I can't choose between those guys ! They are extremely complementary for all type of Metal stuff, even if the Mesa is more versatile. But the precision and the brutality of the EVH fits perfectly with the darker and wilder side of the Mesa... Last but not least, as Ola said, the EVH is much easier to dial with to get a very good sound while the Mesa requires a little work...
I'd prefer the Mesa even if I was into drop tuned metal. To me it just sounds better. Maybe I'm not a big fan of the "modern" metal voicing so much. Yeah, I'm sure of it.
Is it possible that the talk mice was not muted while playing or a norther second room mic was active? The Amp tones are both sounding a bit like there is a Flanger included to my ears. But nice new segment by the way!
Both amps are completely viable, you'd do well to have both in your studio, but coming from someone who doesn't have any amps yet, I'd probably buy an amp from the 5150 line, just because of the sheer versatility in them. That and at least 70% of my favorite tones were made with some variation of that amp.
the EVH is half the price of a badlander here in europe so just a no brainer for me... but i also prefere the EVH 5150III 50w stealth and the good old much underrated roadster 🦾🦾
Mesa had that guttural grunt. Brutal.
EVH has the glassy modern attack. Another flavor of brutal.
Guttural is definitively the right keyword here. Reminds me of the Savage 120 in the character.
Perfect description!🤘
Together they would be amazing
is it me or the badlander sounds like a boosted krank revolution?
Exactly
Love this new series. Having the opportunity to have a dedicated video from a professional? This is just another level of greatness.
Not a massive tone shift between them and once the TS-808 was engaged I'd be lying by saying I could distinguish who's who. Great video series!
that's because 2 amps on one same will sound very similar... want a massive change ? same amp, different cabinet (speaker).
@@Sadix99 That's right, I never understood why people get so obsessed about amps since the cabinet makes for about 70% of the sound. You see so many different videos comparing amps and pedals and far less about cabs.
Yeah just get a Harley Benton cab loaded with DV77’s and a decent amp and you are slaying!!😁
OLA PLEASE RESPONG! Put your questions in the comment section!
Awesome! Excellent! Thanks! I have no other words to describe how grateful I am! This answers my question in full! Please continue with the hashtag, that's a great idea! And continue working on the channel, I love what you are doing!
That Mesa was crushing! Really thick sounding. For the same price, I'd go Badlander every day between those two.
Same here!
@vagabondlars Yeah that Badlander is nasty!🤘
esp with the evh now using even thinner and thinner pcb's.
The Badlander is the one I would want just sounds more like what I would want
The Mesa has more grind to it which is crazy awesome! The 5150 has a lot more gain to it. For me the go to amp for Lead guitar is the 5150. For Rhythm is going to the Badlander for the gritty rectifier distortion tones 💀
That EVH is basically "instant meshuggah" I love it! Badlander sounds thick and perfect for boosting, while the IIIs doesn't need one IMO.
Eh, they benefit from a Tubescreamer being on for sure. I remember I used mine for rhythms on a track, and forgotten I'd turned my TS9 off, and when I listened back, I was like "There's something underwhelming about this..." It was lacking that bite that OD pedals give. Had to re-do the tracks.
@@Nick-rf5we that wasn't actually what I meant to say with my comment, but I'll tell you this: Marten Hagström said he tracked Immutable using the preamp or a 100w EVH III into a mesa roadster power amp driving EVH cabs. So I wasn't too far off with my statement.
I actually prefer the Mesa Boogie, however slightly. They're both dope, but the palm-muted chugs sound better on the Badlander. The 5150 just sounds a little brittle to me when chugging.
I'd like to try panning one of each to each side - they probably sound great together.
The Badlander is just such a classic sound. It may come and go in and out of fashion from time to time, but it will be around forever. As great as the EVH sounds, I'm not sure you could say the same.
Yes. Yes we could say the same.
Considering how long the 5150 has been around…you can definitely say the same.
Sorry I don't get this comment... The 5150 and its variations have been widely popular for a loooong time. So yes, you could say the same very easily
The Badlander is currently a more vintage sound vs the 5150 that is more modern. I get what you're saying. However, the 5150 will be around to stay maybe even more than the Badlander.
@@Aggrovious Agreed
Nice comparison. I own a 5150 IIIS and a Tube Screamer in front of the third channel isn’t really necessary even with the gain below 12 o‘clock. The third channel has more than enough gain stages and diode clipping. For the Badlander it makes sense to get rid of some of the bassy flubbyness. The second channel of the Stealth is really what distinguishes it from the basic 5150 III, since it’s first gain stage is the first triode of the third channel with a different coupling cap and voltage dividers following.
I'd like to hear both simultaneously on a track, that'd be a SERIOUSLY thick sound
I use a Badlander in a stereo setup with a Victory Super Kraken and it's thick as hell.
Tremonti does use pairs of amp. Last time i saw a stage it was a Dual Rectifier and a Diezel.
Parkway Drive does use the 5150 for their base sound. But they highly modify the amp befor they capture it with the Kemper, and sadly they don't tell people what they do by now.
Mesa Badlander was 🔥🔥🔥 found the high end had more bite and the overall notes more attack.
I always love that Rectifier sound. But the attack on that EVH really hits hard for the modern feel.
The new series is of to a good start! great video
Literally have been researching this for the past week. Talk about a big coincidence! But I'm set on buying the Badlander. To me it seems it has a better low end sound. The EVH sounds a little thin. Thank you for this though! Love the new playlist idea!
I have a Badlander 100 and it’s super percussive. I love it. And it takes boost very well.
This is an excellent way to kick off the new series! Hope we'll see more gear comparisons in the future... lots of gear reviews out there but not as many videos putting similar products head to head to decide the absolute best :). Loved it, can't wait for more!
Love the classic amp/gear reviews. The good stuff not just the new stuff 😊
What is your "go to" tube for the power section? I have a Diezel VH4 and Diezel VHZ with KT-77's but everyone tells me these amps totally come to life when modded with either 6L6's or 6550's. Cheers Ola!
my God... both of them are gold
Great new series! Love it!
Got an 5150III 50W Version and for rythms i use the blue channel. Just increase the gain until it becomes chunky (in my case around 11 o clock) and then Kick a TS9 with Drive at 0 and volume fully open in front of it. Adjust the TS9 tone knob up to your taste and Enjoy! :D would love to hear this settings in comparison to the badlander. Stay Heavy my Friends 🤘
The blue channel on the 5150 might have been a better comparison against the badlander.
I've never liked dual or triple rec's. Owned each twice. Other than the old tremoverb dual that's much tighter and more Master of Puppets-ish. (Never owned only played)
The badlander seems to have nailed what i had always hoped the rectifier metal tone would be
Is it just me or is there a weird slap back, doubling sound?
yeah it’s just that the room mic is too loud
Cool new series! Both sounded great. I could see/hear both together in a band setting.
Yes to both of them. Killer riffs Ola!!
the thing about the mesa was the mids grunt and i recon it would sit better in the mix, with something to tighten the bottom end. i'm of the opinion that it's easier to take something out of a sound than to add something thats not naturally there. to me the evh was scooped and tight but lacked personality.
My ears like the MESA here, good demo Ola!
Both sound good but I like the mesa,just a bit brighter to my ears.
Badlander with the TS was my favorite tonally in this instance. The 5150 would be my preference if I was using a 7 string or any tuning A and below I'd probably go that route.
Definitely two different amps but I would take the EVH every time 🤘🏼 Thr Badlander needs pedals, the EVH doesn’t need anything, like Ola said.. it’s a complete package.
luv the rec! seems tighter.🤘🤘🤘
IMO the Mesa has plenty of natural low end that really wouldn't benefit from a resonance control, so I don't consider that a negative. The EVH benefits from it because it's a little thinner by design. With a boost, it's the opposite... the Mesa benefits more from a boost and the EVH has so much gain on tap that it doesn't need any help other than maybe to tighten it up a bit. Both are crushing but I lean towards the Mesa (own both as well as other Mesas and EVH's).
This is like FAQ on steroids, really like it!
In my band I play a Mesa (rhythm). Lead plays a 6505. Sound good together
Respong!
Both are awesome, but I really like the responsiveness of the Mesa Badlander.
one in right channel, other in left channel. Amazing combination for recording
Badlander sounds like the world is ending neatly. 5150 sounds like the world is ending up in chaos.
This is a really cool series,I'm Loving it!!!lol damn,now I want a big Mac.😜🤘
I prefer the rawness of the mesa it would also cut through a band mix well
Great Respongse 🤘the Mesa Badlander 25 lunchbox is on my buy list… I have the EVH 5150III stealth LBX and love it ❤️ awesome video Ola 🤘🔥🤘
I think both amps sound awesome in their own ways 🤘🔥🤘
Thank you Ola for all that you do man!! Also keep kickin A$S. Gethchapull 333🤘🏻🎸🍻
I've been on an early 2000s kick lately and the Badlander would do perfectly.
EVH 5150 III 100w el34 & 100w stealth have a secret function. Blue gain pot effects a gain structure of red channel. Try change blue gain while you are in red channel. When pot is higher it cuts the bass and gain is stronger. When pot is lower bass are boosted and gain reduced. For almost same gain structure as 50w version or original 100w you must set blue channel gain pot on 3,5.
A definite unheard of little secret with these for sure, he’ll even I forgot about it almost!
That Mesa can be inserted into modern music, np. Much more open with a wider dynamic / tonal range and without that narrow *squawk* of the 5150.
Great new series!!! Need more!!!
Hey Ola, love the series. Does removing tone pot/pots from the circuit make the pickups hotter, and if so is the difference really that audible. Wish you all the best in 2023, and maybe 1 mill, who knows...
I’m not Ola, sorry, but yes. Removing the pots does increase the output a little, you’ll also get more high end. You can install a blower switch on a push pull or toggle switch to bypass everything and just go straight to the output jack.
Between these two and the way they were dialed in this video, I actually prefer the Mesa
Yeah, interesting, I'm also drawn more to the Badlander sound here...
#pleaserespong
Choosing mic set ups, one mic or blending more than one mic together.
What is your thoughts and process for this. Or do you ever blend more than one amp together?
Badlander for me. For some reason the EVH lacks definition, when Ola is doing fast changes it just seems to get lost, whereas the badlander I can hear everything very clearly. Maybe it’s just the way Ola has it dialed in on the EVH. I’d still rather have the badlander though.
I prefer the sound of the mesa badlander, probably because I dont listen to a lot of modern metal though
I gotta say, I actually dig the badlander. Something just guttural about the way it sounds and I want it
Through headphones listening to the video; it seemed the MESA had a bit more growl, mid seemed beefier. But I am sure anyone would be thrilled with either. 😊
Exactly, to me the Badlander had more grittiness/rawness which I preferred over the EVH
I'm a huge 5150 fan.. But for some reason I'm digging that Mesa more between the two!!!!
It's what happens when fender buys a company they ruin it and it sounds like dog shit.
@@TheThingThatShouldNotBe I own an original 5150.. amazing amp.. idk why but that new Mesa sounds fukn crushing!!!! I think im gonna go try one out..
Original as in the peavey?
@@TheThingThatShouldNotBe yes sir!!!! The OG.. I believe it's from 95..
Now that brings me back!!!! Take my upvote
Everywhere is on about the new katana artist mk2 . Can you do one of these shootouts with one please 🤘🏻
Both of them sound great and have their place. If I could only have one I'd take the EVH.
Seriously that badlander my new favorite amp
I liked the Badlander, without the TS, a lot. Not so much the EVH. However, I liked the EVH with the TS a lot better than the Badlander with the TS.
One thing that jumps out at me right way as a gigging musician is the size difference. I love the compact size of the Badlander. Much easier to carry around, and it'll fit on a 24" wide 2x12 cab. I have the 50 watt version. Kinda wish I had paid a little extra for the 100 watter since they're the same size. Both these amps sound killer though. Thanks Ola!
Cool Video, Thanks Ola excellent playing, I have both amps but Mesa Badlander through Mesa Cabinets V 30's and the EVH 5150 IIIS through the EVH Cabs & Greenbacks, there's the difference and how I think they sound the best and different.
I like the way that the Mesa sounds in this video but usually I prefer the 5150. Usually the 5150 sounds tighter I think.
I prefer that badlands, that thing is sick!
i sold my EVH 50w stealth to get a badlander 50W...the EVH had kind of a "sterile" sound to my ears...plenty of gain but just wasn't my thing after a while...i pair the badlander with my mesa mark IV in a stereo rig with a little pepers dirty tree mixed in (TC mode) and i'm all set!!!
Never really liked Mesa but in this case i would surely chose the Mesa as it sounds more mean to my ear.
I really like the MESA tone. non boosted.
Ola ! Would like to see how you record. The process ( short version). Going from either tube amp or plug-in's.
Also what new interfaces do you think are good for less than $1000. Avid, Universal Audio, Apogee and etc. Maybe a 2023 in-depth studio desk review??
Thanks again for the great content !!
Please Respong! Best heavy tone. Hesu Demon vs Eminence DV-77.
I love these type of videos
Hi Ola, great video as always! Could you please let me know which amp switcher you were using? Thanks!
I prefer the mesa, which is interesting because the last mesa I played, I didnt like it, it wasnt very clear, kind of muddy, and I didnt have time to dial it in for something I liked, so I kind of wrote it off. It was a mark 5.
hello Ola!! I really enjoy your videos. if you have some time to spare i would like to learn your opinion about engl ironball se peavy 6505 or invective and prs mt15. Which one would you prefer for metal
I feel the Badlander is the more pleasing sound to my ears. I hate my 5150 and love my Mesa F50. Just my 2 cents
I’ve got a badlander and paired it with the mudkiller and wow amazing combo
Honestly, I’m really surprised the EVH doesn’t sound more aggressive. The MESA all day.
The EVH just because I think it sounds just way angrier and nastier. The badlander still sounds dope though and would still be stoked to have one.
Ok that's what we need next time: Guttural amps, Badlander vs Savage 120
I had the EVH IIIS and sold it to get the Badlander 100w, it has a more gut wrenching punch. No regrets!
The Testament-riffs sounded best on the Mesa (to my ears). But that's possibly a given :D
Hi Ola, great video idea. Its an FAQ with „life“.
No question for me, the Badlander.
Really like this Support-type content, hopefully you'll have the Kemper back at some point :)
Having an EVH5150III 50 Stealth and a Mesa Dual Rectifier, I can't choose between those guys ! They are extremely complementary for all type of Metal stuff, even if the Mesa is more versatile. But the precision and the brutality of the EVH fits perfectly with the darker and wilder side of the Mesa... Last but not least, as Ola said, the EVH is much easier to dial with to get a very good sound while the Mesa requires a little work...
Either one will do the job.
Hej Ola! Could you show us the proper way to capture a speaker IR. Always been curious what the process is like. Love this new format btw🤘🔥.
please do a Badlander vs JP2C....thanks
Hi Ola! I'd like to know how you make your awesome musical intros. Which vst's are you using and how do you mix them? Please Respong!
Great series concept!
Ola, I'd love to see how YOU dial in a SLO100 with or without maybe a TS808. RESPONG!
Badlander sounds more crushing..Thicker sounding
I'd prefer the Mesa even if I was into drop tuned metal. To me it just sounds better. Maybe I'm not a big fan of the "modern" metal voicing so much. Yeah, I'm sure of it.
thanks for responging
Is it possible that the talk mice was not muted while playing or a norther second room mic was active? The Amp tones are both sounding a bit like there is a Flanger included to my ears.
But nice new segment by the way!
Both amps are completely viable, you'd do well to have both in your studio, but coming from someone who doesn't have any amps yet, I'd probably buy an amp from the 5150 line, just because of the sheer versatility in them. That and at least 70% of my favorite tones were made with some variation of that amp.
I dig my 5150, great for gigs, it’s as heavy as a small car, thankfully for caster wheels. But an excellent amp.
Mesa for me (if I could afford it) EVH sounds much thinner and compressed to my ear
the EVH is half the price of a badlander here in europe so just a no brainer for me... but i also prefere the EVH 5150III 50w stealth and the good old much underrated roadster 🦾🦾
Great vid. Hard to decide on new amps sometimes lol
The difference is so small & insignificant through my Samsung Galaxy's speaker. I wish I could tell. Both sound fine.