Everything is potentialities and probabilities until observed. Information is only what it is if it is contextualized relative to something that can interpret it All this seems to point to the necessity of consciousness at a fundamental level
There is no reason to expect that we can know what fundamentally exists. We can try to put everything we know about into categories, but that is all. There is no way to be sure that there are not more fundamental things that exist, that we simply are incapable of knowing about, just as the most intelligent dog is incapable of understanding how an air conditioner works.
Once a thing exists, it can be described. The laws that governed its formation existed prior to even the smallest component of it existing. IMHO, these apparent facts force information to be both eternal and non-physical. If not, I would love to have it explained to me how it could be otherwise. Even if the laws that govern matter emerge with the matter itself, there would be rules in existence for that to happen beforehand. It's truly fractal in its nature.
This dialogue started out very well and I was impressed until about halfway through when it seemed to hit an impasse and the discussion veered into circularity. A case can be made here for some preparatory work.
What Am I? Why Am I? are the questions come looping into the information continuum. The macro section or the concrete part is is fairly easy because it allows one to come up with a decent answer but at the end of rabbit whole, it all goes haywire as we dig deeper which it all dials down to a wave function of fundamentals of reality. In that depth along with the macro reality, what one defines it to be, is their subjective truth and it can be contested by others as well. The freedom to choice is the beauty to one's beliefs and there is peace in it (If there is a choice at all which can also be an illusion but the experience does incline the human belief system towards the existence of a choice) Now the exposure of a human life to different events, emotions and information ii what inclines one towards a certain conclusion which might differ depending upon the variability of these life experiences. Because the concept of infinity exists, we may well be adding to it in just different lives. If everything is energy which cannot be created or destroyed , then what is this energy? If one terms it as divine, then it has also created absolute gore and evil as well. The human history is an evidence of that. And to add further to what Carl Sagan said "That we are a way for universe to know itself" Then what is everything combined? Awareness. Different levels of awareness. For what purpose? Experience. What kind? All kinds. Best kind? Things that invoke love. Now love is a very dangerous emotion because on a fundamental level it can be applied to anything that invokes it. A simple act of petting a dog to someone twisted who loves to hurt others for pleasure. We (the energy) on a totalitarian field seem to be trying to quantify the different experiences and come to a uniform vibration. Because when it all stays still, the awareness goes away. Maybe our job as a part of this whole consciousness is to give the totality a better life experience. Our perspective gives us freedom. See better to live better.
This topic has never been complicated to me. I know I can explain it clearly enough that a fifth grader would immediately understand it. And if Robert Kuhn wanted to contact me . . . I would be happy to do so.
First there was philosophy. Observing the universe, thinking about it, and theorising. Science gave structure and logic. The best theory is accepted. Until a better one is found.
What exists is infinite empty space and materia, everything else are properties of materia(how materia interacts according the law(s) that govern certain space and time, not saying they vary, but it might be the case) and outcomes of those properties like the balance between entropy and symmetry created by those laws.. If the volume is not zero, it exists.
What fundamentally exists is Universal Mind, and our little minds constitute every conceivable point of view within It. Mind makes matter/information by projection. Quantum reality is primary; classical reality (including our own precious personal programming) is an effect of that. Quantum reality is readily discovered within every single Moment of Choice we encounter. We have a choice of reverting to Spirit/Source/Pure Potential, or of getting dragged down with the programming (karma/information), which we either resist or submit to. (It is a mistake to look for free will in the midst of the programming--it is found only in the Moment of Choice, in which we can choose to be reinvigorated by Ultimacy or to be stopped down (like a camera lens) to a less ambitious size.
I'll tell you what I think is absolutely historical. These people say the multiverse has to be real yet go on to say aliens are not. How can the multivariate be real, but aliens are not? Multivariate would AUTOMATICALLY prove other life like literally instantly.
The ''stuff'' is the ''quantum'', the wavefunction is its state. The latter could be called coded information about the quantum in a mathematical Hilbert space but, not so is the quantum itself that carries invariant physical quantities like charge, spin or rest mass etc. and energy-momentum in spacetime. It would be a category fallacy to put the state of the stuff in place of the stuff itself, or, to put the wavefunction of the quantum in place of the quantum itself. We may never directly access with our senses (a' la Kant) the stuff or the quantum itself, but we can gather enough indirect signatures of its unique characteristics to infer its existence and its presence consistently.
This series and comment sections have taught me that the ability to ask a question requires much less from us intellectually than the ability to find answers to those questions. Look at all these people that "know" that no one knows things about reality just because they dont understand what weve already discovered.
Maybe because you (the scientist) keep changing your answers to those Big Questions? And maybe you keep changing them, because some questions are unanswerable, ungraspable by human mind, and whoever keeps trying to answer them is simply wasting their time, like spending their life in pursuit of a "philosopher's stone"? Btw: we cannot know reality, deal with it. We can only know our own interpretation of it. Sort of secondhand hearsay "evidence", like a teenager in love trying to guess: she loves me? she loves me not..
@@branimirsalevic5092 Are you implying that you would trust scientists more if they held dogmatic positions? What do you suggest they do when new knowledge is added to our old knowledge? Frame it the same way as before because people would be able to lobby that bullshit criticism at them? Some questions are unanswerable for sure. All the incoherent ones for example. What is distance of a watermelon if you play an out of tune guitar doesn't have an answer. But it's not a sign of our lack of ability to know things. I can know a large number of things about reality actually: I know my experiences are contingent on an underlying physical reality that is clearly responsible for their conditions and is malleable to any physical changes that take place. I know that sounds and color are actually wavelengths of air pressure and photons. I know that if you give me 5 1lb stones and then someone else also gives me 5 1lb stones I will have 10 1lb stones in total. I know that different elements absorb and emit different wavelengths of light. I know the noble gases are non reactive. I can keep naming things we can all know about reality. Unless you are using an unnecessarily obtuse definition of what constitutes reality, I think you're just underselling how definitive experimental data is.
great talk but far far too short . maybe once it was the best thing to post short videos on you tube but with the advent of long form podcasts that is no longer necessary . longer conversations please !!
The basic code of conduct of information flow is * I LOVE YOU, PLEASE KEEP DISTANCE * BUT ITS NOT LIKE THIS YOU READ, ITS IN CODE EMBEDDED, ITS KIND OF BASIC SYMMETRY CONSISTING THE UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN TWO IDENTITY KNOWN THE I, AGAIN THE I IS A SENCE OF EXISTENCE OF SOMETHINNG
Get episodes like this or the ESP ones but for magick. How real is it? Does our universe, existence and reality include magick potential? Does it support magick? For all beings? Do animals feel apparitions or peculiarity?
3:00 ... I've kind of come to this view that we think of the universe sometimes as physicists says there's the objective universe and there's the subjective universe and you know we really want to figure out what the objective one the ultimate one is and this other stuff be nice to know how that emerged out of it but it's you know details mainly but I'm not so sure that's the case you know I'm starting to think that there is a sort of continuum that there are things that are certainly more subjective my experiences my preferences my aesthetic taste is super subjective uh the fact that we agree that there's a tree there is fairly objective you know other people might give it a different name the fact that there are you know that there's a certain mass to the earth is very objective and then it's made of atoms it's very objective but are they different levels of reality is one of them more real than the other. 3:56 they're all patterns of information and as one pattern of inform you know it's the same stuff it's informational stuff so I've started to think much more in those terms on the other hand what is information you know then that question comes and information is generally about something what is it about if everything is information is it information about information about information about information ... ? so that's about where I've gotten. 4:25 ... 5:13 it's hard to know because you know what quantum mechanics seems to tell us is that there isn't a Stuff Plus a wave functiondescribing necessarily we often think of it that way but then when you ask what is the stuff nobody can say you know what is what effect is taht stuff have that the wave function doesn't have nothing the wave functions tells you everything you know so there's no extra reality there at least in the normal way that people think about quantum mechanics it seems that the information which is what's embodied in the wave function is really all that there is um but it's a strange thing because when you ask what is that information about it's information about something on a fully at the end of other end of the spectrum about me going into a lab and you know measuring one thing or the other when we do a quantum experiment. 6:01 it tends to be a macrospcopic observer one of these big emergent things made up of gazillions of particles that are doing the measurement so how can the most fundamental thing be information about what some big complicated mess like us in an experiment or does it's very strangely circular when you kind of you delve all the way down and you end up back here 6:25 (host) uh we're talking about the concrete physical world but if I if I try to encompass the totality of all that exists um I would have to put some other categories they may be null sets (sure) they may be sets that have nothing in them but they are possibilities such as non-physical stuff people put you know gods and spirits and places where parapsychology works or cosmic consciousness a lot of people have a lot of theories that's what I would call sort of a non-physical set again it could be set then there are abstract objects we're talking about the concrete world there are mathematics, logic and proposition all sorts of things that make make up those things so I have that in my overiew you may think those are not relevant to a physical way of thinking and maybe not but they are to the totality of reality are you agree with that? 7:21 AA: I think I do
Information consists of the properties and structure of any physical phenomenons. An electron, atom, molecule, organism, etc. Whatever dark matter is, its properties and structure are information. As for the Big Bang, we don’t really know, because we don’t know how it came about.
Every object/event has it's own quality-called GUNA- inherent in it which is experienced by our five senses, mind and intellect. We try to discribe this guna as information through languages like mathematics and other spoken words. Unmanifest state of this guna is termed VASANA. Experience becomes possible when vasna is iĺlumined by CONSCIOUSNESS which is our REAL NATURE as Existence. To get a glimpse of this refer the book: SPACETIME AND THAT BEYOND By A.N.Unnikrishnan.
How can the wave function be "all that there is" when we know QM to be incomplete? Lot of leaps of logic in this conversation, just like many other conversations in this channel. So many questions, so many answers, but not any "Closer to Truth" it feels like...closer to the end is more accurate :)
'What exists' is relative to the chosen universe of discourse. Different universes of discourse respectively define what exists for each of them. Reality is relative to each respective universe of discourse. If something is closely based on what exists, then it is close to reality. Talking about the concrete world where causality holds is often where people see 'reality', because they are interested in the concrete world where causality holds. Abstract worlds are of interest to mathematicians. They say that numbers "exist".
If math is discovered and if reality is informational, then we can conclude that everything exists. Because everything is encoded in infinite digits of pi.
Digits aren’t an intrinsic attribute of Pi though. Pi is a geometric ratio. We can represent it to varying degrees of precision using digits, but that’s just a description of Pi that we construct, not Pi itself.
What is juxtaposition to what exist? Nothingness! As a conscious human being we almost everyday experience nothingness. A dreamless sleep. In our thoughts we almost think that nothingness was the origin of everything what exist! Is that true? NO! There was always Time. A period of nothingness. In fact everyone of us came from the period of the period of time nothingness of us respectively. Thus certainly the atheists( or dahriyun) would then claim that only the time bring universal reality - existences and events or phenomena to occur. However the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said that The God of Islam (Allah) in His words said:"... and I am The Time ( in alquranic Arabic "the time" is "aldahru").
What exists? Well let me see 🤔 Pills Pillows Trees Golf clubs Golf buggies Golf balls Ham sandwiches Mines Big Macs Cd players Cathedrals Toast Police cars Tandem bikes Rivers Excrement Grave yards Young badgers The king of England Yoga mats Yoggers Tellywellies Yummyrig Grasdurmp Gaspassers Fulliegullies Offofferd Vupterduffs Cats To name a few
We keep coming back to information. Let's see if we can unpack this. Anyone in the mood for brainstorming ideas? Let's open with some fundamentals: 1) Why something rather than nothing? The void vs somethingness. What is nothingness, is it empty space? No it's not, the void precedes empty space; 2) Cube root scaling (why insects have long legs and elephants have stumpy legs) - the smaller you go, as you approach the disaggregated void, classical physics increasingly gives way to the untapped phenomenology of possibility. This is the creative void. In the limit, as you unburden physical constraints, you approach the undefined freedom of the void; 3) Information - there are no computers in nature, and therefore no information in the IT/mathematical sense - the "information" that emerges relates to the phenomenology of realizing possibility; 4) Putting all this another way: The tensions between the known and the unknown begin at the subatomic domain and persist throughout all levels. My conjecture - The Feynman diagrams attempt to describe the symmetries that cascade from the void - for example, virtual particles. The preceding four fundamentals listed above (have I missed any?) provide the basis for disaggregating the void into its components. In the absence of information in the IT sense, the missing fundamental that brings it all together is association (CS Peirce). For it is only through association that the void can disaggregate into its components as matter, form and energy in space and time. And what is association if not the fundamental for all cognitive processes? Association, then, must be the ultimate that exists, everything else revolves around it. Association of information is the basis for all meaning, and the foundation for the possibilities that cascade from the void. For all living things, it manifests in the tensions between the known and the unknown, the perils of surviving ecosystems and cultures throughout a living universe.
Interesting, I think we have some ideas that intersect or overlap. Information consists of the properties and structure of a physical phenomenons. An electron, atom, molecule, organism, etc. It could also be some subset of those, such as the holes in a punched card, the pattern of electrical charges in a computer memory, written symbols on paper, etc. Meaning is an actionable relation between two sets of information, through some process. Take a counter, what does it count? There must be a process that increments it under certain circumstances, which establishes it’s meaning. Similarly a map might represent an environment, but you need to understand how to interpret the map to act on it. Think of a map in the memory of a self-driving car. It’s just binary data, but the navigation program and sensors interpret it into effective action via a program. Without the program the data is useless. Meaningless. So the meaning of information is relational, it’s the set of actionable correspondences a set of information has. Since each of our brains is different, we each have different sets of correspondences between all the information encoded in our neural networks, and received by our senses. An observer of that information has a different set of correspondences with that information than the information in the brain has itself. Therefore the meaning is different. The only way to have the same meaning relation is literally to have all the exact same relations in the same way. Consciousness is the activity of these interpretive, relational processes in action. It’s a very specific kind of activity, not just any process on information. Everything about consciousness is informational. It is perceptive, interpretive, analytical, self-referential, recursive, reflective, it can self-modify. These are all attributes of information processing systems, and we can implement simple versions of all of these in information systems right now.
@@simonhibbs887 "So the meaning of information is relational..." This is why the mind-body problem is pivotal to all forms of consciousness. Humans with hands with which to write and create, and vocal chords with which to speak and engage are predisposed to language and culture. Despite their domestication among humans, cats & dogs do not have the physical attributes that predispose them to learning complex language or engaging with culture. They don't have the mind-body predispositions for immersing in human-cultural associations. It does not *occur to them* to avail themselves to these kinds of options. Association is integral to top-down causation because experiences, as associations, wire the neuroplastic brain. For humans, that top-down causation is culture. What's it like to be a dog, a cat, a whale, a bat, a bird or a fish? Look not at the brain, but at the body that wires it.
Infuriating. A “wave function” is not “information”. A wave function is by definition a smooth continuum. Information is discrete and finite. I’m for information: empirically, no one has ever observed a continuum (or any other infinity).
"What exists" is such a dumb question. To exist is just a human concept. Nothing truly exists. Or better, everything exists and doesnt exist at the same time. It's just a meaningless word.
@@simonhibbs887 according to Berkley and Schopenhauer and the Buddha, etc. and many other of the greatest geniuses of history it means all there is, is mind. According to Kant, Descartes, Plato, etc. and many other of the greatest geniuses of history it means that there is both material and mind, and they are two separate things. Spinoza would say its all one substance, and that substance was both the mind and the material.
@@asielnorton345 While I think Spinoza's logical formalism is very flawed, thought absolutely groundbreaking for the time, I think we was right about a single substance. In modern physics that would be energy, which manifests as excitations of various fields. At least that is how it is described in modern physics. I think it's clear that the mental and the physical are causally contiguous with one another. We can have thoughts that prompt action in the world, and states of affairs in the world cause changes in our minds. For me, this excludes dualism. The question is what is the relationship between mind and matter. I think Aguirre is on to something. What we call mater is an activity, it's something these quantum fields do. I think consciousness is an activity, it's something our brains do. Of the alternatives to physicalism I think idealism is the most credible. They just put the causal relationship different ways round. Does mind cause matter, or does matter cause mind? Maybe they're just different ways of looking at the same thing.
@@simonhibbs887 i think what science can tell us is behavior. math shows us patterns, and empirical science also shows us patterns. so our senses are reading patterns that our minds are interpreting a specific way. so if what we are sensing is actually real, and our interpretation is valid (which are two very big ifs), what we can understand through empirical science is patterns of behavior within the narrow confines of our sensory apparatus. but we dont know what it is that is behaving in this way, or if it really is behaving in this way, or if we are protecting it. obviously many people have said that it is all an illusion, or just something that is in mind. i think our definitions of it are various forms of language (which are abstractions) that creates a kind of construct that we can wrap our head around and act on. in my own deepest moments, whether it is a mystical moment, or a moment of deep thought, it does seem to me to be one thing,, and this thing is patterned, and it is spirit or energy that is placed exactly as it has to be placed (which would be closest to Spinoza).
@@simonhibbs887 i think science shows us patterns of behavior. as hume demonstrated. i would say math is a type of language that we us to communicate patterns of behavior as well. what none of these things can tell us is what it is that is actually behaving. furthermore, these our just interpretations of what our senses are telling us, that our mind apparatus is interpreting. so at best what we have is an interpretation of the narrow spectrum of something that our senses can sense and our apparatus can interpret, in the way that it can interpret it. in other words we can describe through various abstractions of language, a constructed reality which conforms and is limited to our ability to sense and understand. through these constructions we build systems that we use to act. but we have no idea what if anything actually exists. in my own deepest moments of thought and experience it does seem to me to be one thing. and this thing appears patterned, and it appears to be placed precisely as it has to be. a kind of perfect web. one could describe it as energy or spirit. these sort of mystical revelations could be closest to Spinoza's understanding, but one could argue that it's most like Buddha's or Plotinus's, etc.
Everything Exist ... But between being real and not being real between real or fake /everything existed But there mind over matters meaning Like pincho growing larger noise become real live boy we all experience life as God print 🐾 We are all God experienced within in God images patterns God code both worlds Cause God was spiral And Human angel meaning he was supernatural God of existence
Aargh! Information does not include, and cannot attempt to explain, value. Nietzsche said something like “Henceforth the task of scientists is to explain the origin of value”. They seem to have wasted a century or so…
It's all equally real, however the sum of the lower scale action components define the large scale action components (It's is all local inertial computation that have to travel over distance, therefore the sum of the small scale inertia defines the large scale system [wholistically]). Also, information is something that brain exchange to describe the mathematical reality (local mathematical operations is reality [the local average of inertial vectors within a superfluid with no small scale boundary that computational renders the quantum vortex network, and it's recession to smaller scales until a atomic or viscous boundary is met]).
Infuriating. A “wave function” is not “information”. A wave function is by definition a smooth continuum. Information is discrete and finite. I’m for information: empirically, no one has ever observed a continuum (or any other infinity).
Fields in QM are quantised and so discrete in at least that sense. They have discrete properties such as spin and charge. Space seems pretty continuous, so does time, and these fields are continuous in space. So if space isn’t continuous neither are they.
Very rich argument! Thank you!
what he calls "information", I call consciousness :)
Lol
Everything is potentialities and probabilities until observed. Information is only what it is if it is contextualized relative to something that can interpret it
All this seems to point to the necessity of consciousness at a fundamental level
...merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream...
There is no reason to expect that we can know what fundamentally exists. We can try to put everything we know about into categories, but that is all. There is no way to be sure that there are not more fundamental things that exist, that we simply are incapable of knowing about, just as the most intelligent dog is incapable of understanding how an air conditioner works.
Maybe we can build ourselves into a species that can know, though.
Great talk.
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Es un placer escuchar a Robert Lawrence !
Once a thing exists, it can be described. The laws that governed its formation existed prior to even the smallest component of it existing. IMHO, these apparent facts force information to be both eternal and non-physical. If not, I would love to have it explained to me how it could be otherwise. Even if the laws that govern matter emerge with the matter itself, there would be rules in existence for that to happen beforehand. It's truly fractal in its nature.
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
Change exist. Trust the process because nothing is rock solid and everything changes forever (in this reality).
This dialogue started out very well and I was impressed until about halfway through when it seemed to hit an impasse and the discussion veered into circularity. A case can be made here for some preparatory work.
Ultimately everything is a projection of mind, when we sleep or die this entire experience disappears 🌈
Everything depends upon something else for its existence, so nothing exists truly or inherently from its own side 🌈
If something makes you know more than you would know without it , it’s information
Vibrating strings in the Tapestry.
What Am I? Why Am I? are the questions come looping into the information continuum. The macro section or the concrete part is is fairly easy because it allows one to come up with a decent answer but at the end of rabbit whole, it all goes haywire as we dig deeper which it all dials down to a wave function of fundamentals of reality. In that depth along with the macro reality, what one defines it to be, is their subjective truth and it can be contested by others as well. The freedom to choice is the beauty to one's beliefs and there is peace in it (If there is a choice at all which can also be an illusion but the experience does incline the human belief system towards the existence of a choice)
Now the exposure of a human life to different events, emotions and information ii what inclines one towards a certain conclusion which might differ depending upon the variability of these life experiences. Because the concept of infinity exists, we may well be adding to it in just different lives. If everything is energy which cannot be created or destroyed , then what is this energy? If one terms it as divine, then it has also created absolute gore and evil as well. The human history is an evidence of that. And to add further to what Carl Sagan said "That we are a way for universe to know itself" Then what is everything combined?
Awareness. Different levels of awareness. For what purpose? Experience. What kind? All kinds. Best kind? Things that invoke love. Now love is a very dangerous emotion because on a fundamental level it can be applied to anything that invokes it. A simple act of petting a dog to someone twisted who loves to hurt others for pleasure. We (the energy) on a totalitarian field seem to be trying to quantify the different experiences and come to a uniform vibration. Because when it all stays still, the awareness goes away. Maybe our job as a part of this whole consciousness is to give the totality a better life experience. Our perspective gives us freedom. See better to live better.
That explanation of this universe about god is the symmetry code of information that create and manifast reality here
This topic has never been complicated to me. I know I can explain it clearly enough that a fifth grader would immediately understand it. And if Robert Kuhn wanted to contact me . . . I would be happy to do so.
Reality is a vector in Hilbert space.
First there was philosophy. Observing the universe, thinking about it, and theorising. Science gave structure and logic. The best theory is accepted. Until a better one is found.
What exists is infinite empty space and materia, everything else are properties of materia(how materia interacts according the law(s) that govern certain space and time, not saying they vary, but it might be the case) and outcomes of those properties like the balance between entropy and symmetry created by those laws.. If the volume is not zero, it exists.
What fundamentally exists is Universal Mind, and our little minds constitute every conceivable point of view within It. Mind makes matter/information by projection. Quantum reality is primary; classical reality (including our own precious personal programming) is an effect of that. Quantum reality is readily discovered within every single Moment of Choice we encounter. We have a choice of reverting to Spirit/Source/Pure Potential, or of getting dragged down with the programming (karma/information), which we either resist or submit to. (It is a mistake to look for free will in the midst of the programming--it is found only in the Moment of Choice, in which we can choose to be reinvigorated by Ultimacy or to be stopped down (like a camera lens) to a less ambitious size.
Turtles all the way down,, I loved this talk.
Quantum information and Quantum Entanglement are Fundamental...
I'll tell you what I think is absolutely historical. These people say the multiverse has to be real yet go on to say aliens are not. How can the multivariate be real, but aliens are not? Multivariate would AUTOMATICALLY prove other life like literally instantly.
The ''stuff'' is the ''quantum'', the wavefunction is its state. The latter could be called coded information about the quantum in a mathematical Hilbert space but, not so is the quantum itself that carries invariant physical quantities like charge, spin or rest mass etc. and energy-momentum in spacetime. It would be a category fallacy to put the state of the stuff in place of the stuff itself, or, to put the wavefunction of the quantum in place of the quantum itself. We may never directly access with our senses (a' la Kant) the stuff or the quantum itself, but we can gather enough indirect signatures of its unique characteristics to infer its existence and its presence consistently.
Everything exist a mere name, if you go look for anything more substantial than that it disappears into an endless web of causes and conditions 🌈
This series and comment sections have taught me that the ability to ask a question requires much less from us intellectually than the ability to find answers to those questions.
Look at all these people that "know" that no one knows things about reality just because they dont understand what weve already discovered.
Maybe because you (the scientist) keep changing your answers to those Big Questions?
And maybe you keep changing them, because some questions are unanswerable, ungraspable by human mind, and whoever keeps trying to answer them is simply wasting their time, like spending their life in pursuit of a "philosopher's stone"?
Btw: we cannot know reality, deal with it. We can only know our own interpretation of it. Sort of secondhand hearsay "evidence", like a teenager in love trying to guess: she loves me? she loves me not..
@@branimirsalevic5092 Are you implying that you would trust scientists more if they held dogmatic positions? What do you suggest they do when new knowledge is added to our old knowledge? Frame it the same way as before because people would be able to lobby that bullshit criticism at them?
Some questions are unanswerable for sure. All the incoherent ones for example. What is distance of a watermelon if you play an out of tune guitar doesn't have an answer. But it's not a sign of our lack of ability to know things.
I can know a large number of things about reality actually:
I know my experiences are contingent on an underlying physical reality that is clearly responsible for their conditions and is malleable to any physical changes that take place. I know that sounds and color are actually wavelengths of air pressure and photons. I know that if you give me 5 1lb stones and then someone else also gives me 5 1lb stones I will have 10 1lb stones in total. I know that different elements absorb and emit different wavelengths of light. I know the noble gases are non reactive. I can keep naming things we can all know about reality. Unless you are using an unnecessarily obtuse definition of what constitutes reality, I think you're just underselling how definitive experimental data is.
great talk but far far too short . maybe once it was the best thing to post short videos on you tube but with the advent of long form podcasts that is no longer necessary . longer conversations please !!
If you visit our website, you can see an entire series on this topic.
Once you've dealt with atoms, we then get Cells, Chemistry, Genes, Information and Evolutions.
The basic code of conduct of information flow is
* I LOVE YOU, PLEASE KEEP DISTANCE *
BUT ITS NOT LIKE THIS YOU READ, ITS IN CODE EMBEDDED, ITS KIND OF BASIC SYMMETRY CONSISTING THE UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN TWO IDENTITY KNOWN THE I, AGAIN THE I IS A SENCE OF EXISTENCE OF SOMETHINNG
Existence is Brute Fact. Not tractable.
Sean Carroll, for instance, holds this view.
Get episodes like this or the ESP ones but for magick. How real is it? Does our universe, existence and reality include magick potential? Does it support magick? For all beings? Do animals feel apparitions or peculiarity?
My left ear had more fun
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I thought Dr.Kuhn would say “If Xi Jinping says it exists, it exists.”
In response to a general question on opinion: “This week I do.” Well said - but we all need to do better…
3:00 ... I've kind of come to this view that we think of the universe sometimes as physicists says there's the objective universe and there's the subjective universe and you know we really want to figure out what the objective one the ultimate one is and this other stuff be nice to know how that emerged out of it but it's you know details mainly but I'm not so sure that's the case you know I'm starting to think that there is a sort of continuum that there are things that are certainly more subjective my experiences my preferences my aesthetic taste is super subjective uh the fact that we agree that there's a tree there is fairly objective you know other people might give it a different name the fact that there are you know that there's a certain mass to the earth is very objective and then it's made of atoms it's very objective but are they different levels of reality is one of them more real than the other. 3:56 they're all patterns of information and as one pattern of inform you know it's the same stuff it's informational stuff so I've started to think much more in those terms on the other hand what is information you know then that question comes and information is generally about something what is it about if everything is information is it information about information about information about information ... ? so that's about where I've gotten. 4:25 ... 5:13 it's hard to know because you know what quantum mechanics seems to tell us is that there isn't a Stuff Plus a wave functiondescribing necessarily we often think of it that way but then when you ask what is the stuff nobody can say you know what is what effect is taht stuff have that the wave function doesn't have nothing the wave functions tells you everything you know so there's no extra reality there at least in the normal way that people think about quantum mechanics it seems that the information which is what's embodied in the wave function is really all that there is um but it's a strange thing because when you ask what is that information about it's information about something on a fully at the end of other end of the spectrum about me going into a lab and you know measuring one thing or the other when we do a quantum experiment. 6:01 it tends to be a macrospcopic observer one of these big emergent things made up of gazillions of particles that are doing the measurement so how can the most fundamental thing be information about what some big complicated mess like us in an experiment or does it's very strangely circular when you kind of you delve all the way down and you end up back here 6:25 (host) uh we're talking about the concrete physical world but if I if I try to encompass the totality of all that exists um I would have to put some other categories they may be null sets (sure) they may be sets that have nothing in them but they are possibilities such as non-physical stuff people put you know gods and spirits and places where parapsychology works or cosmic consciousness a lot of people have a lot of theories that's what I would call sort of a non-physical set again it could be set then there are abstract objects we're talking about the concrete world there are mathematics, logic and proposition all sorts of things that make make up those things so I have that in my overiew you may think those are not relevant to a physical way of thinking and maybe not but they are to the totality of reality are you agree with that? 7:21 AA: I think I do
"Stuff" seems to be the physist's jargon these days. They talk in profound detail then throw that word in. It's out of place, imho
Information, yes, but for what purpose?
The purposes we put it to.
It's not obligated to have a 'purpose'
Did information begin with the big bang? Does dark matter interact with information?
Information consists of the properties and structure of any physical phenomenons. An electron, atom, molecule, organism, etc. Whatever dark matter is, its properties and structure are information. As for the Big Bang, we don’t really know, because we don’t know how it came about.
Every object/event has it's own quality-called GUNA- inherent in it which is experienced by our five senses, mind and intellect. We try to discribe this guna as information through languages like mathematics and other spoken words. Unmanifest state of this guna is termed VASANA. Experience becomes possible when vasna is iĺlumined by CONSCIOUSNESS which is our REAL NATURE as Existence. To get a glimpse of this refer the book:
SPACETIME AND THAT BEYOND
By A.N.Unnikrishnan.
How can the wave function be "all that there is" when we know QM to be incomplete? Lot of leaps of logic in this conversation, just like many other conversations in this channel.
So many questions, so many answers, but not any "Closer to Truth" it feels like...closer to the end is more accurate :)
I'm certain that everything exists perfectly if don't then my bank account will not
'What exists' is relative to the chosen universe of discourse. Different universes of discourse respectively define what exists for each of them. Reality is relative to each respective universe of discourse. If something is closely based on what exists, then it is close to reality. Talking about the concrete world where causality holds is often where people see 'reality', because they are interested in the concrete world where causality holds. Abstract worlds are of interest to mathematicians. They say that numbers "exist".
'A wave isn't something. It's what something does'
In this case the energy states of quantum fields. Whatever they are.
If math is discovered and if reality is informational, then we can conclude that everything exists. Because everything is encoded in infinite digits of pi.
There's always gonna be the difference between 0D and non-zero dimensions since 0D is non-natural and non-zero dimensions are natural.
When?
Digits aren’t an intrinsic attribute of Pi though. Pi is a geometric ratio. We can represent it to varying degrees of precision using digits, but that’s just a description of Pi that we construct, not Pi itself.
@@simonhibbs887 Return to the question if the math discovered or constructed.
@@XOPOIIIO, in your own words, define “REALITY”. ☝️🤔☝️
Hard to listen to since it's mostly coming from my left headphone speaker.
Nothing exists. Everything I say is a lie.
God
What is juxtaposition to what exist? Nothingness!
As a conscious human being we almost everyday experience nothingness. A dreamless sleep.
In our thoughts we almost think that nothingness was the origin of everything what exist!
Is that true? NO!
There was always Time. A period of nothingness.
In fact everyone of us came from the period of the period of time nothingness of us respectively.
Thus certainly the atheists( or dahriyun) would then claim that only the time bring universal reality - existences and events or phenomena to occur.
However the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said that The God of Islam (Allah) in His words said:"... and I am The Time ( in alquranic Arabic "the time" is "aldahru").
Unpredictable consciousness unfit random reality. This guys shows reality It is completely rambling abstraction.
What exists? Well let me see 🤔
Pills
Pillows
Trees
Golf clubs
Golf buggies
Golf balls
Ham sandwiches
Mines
Big Macs
Cd players
Cathedrals
Toast
Police cars
Tandem bikes
Rivers
Excrement
Grave yards
Young badgers
The king of England
Yoga mats
Yoggers
Tellywellies
Yummyrig
Grasdurmp
Gaspassers
Fulliegullies
Offofferd
Vupterduffs
Cats
To name a few
We keep coming back to information. Let's see if we can unpack this. Anyone in the mood for brainstorming ideas? Let's open with some fundamentals:
1) Why something rather than nothing? The void vs somethingness. What is nothingness, is it empty space? No it's not, the void precedes empty space;
2) Cube root scaling (why insects have long legs and elephants have stumpy legs) - the smaller you go, as you approach the disaggregated void, classical physics increasingly gives way to the untapped phenomenology of possibility. This is the creative void. In the limit, as you unburden physical constraints, you approach the undefined freedom of the void;
3) Information - there are no computers in nature, and therefore no information in the IT/mathematical sense - the "information" that emerges relates to the phenomenology of realizing possibility;
4) Putting all this another way: The tensions between the known and the unknown begin at the subatomic domain and persist throughout all levels.
My conjecture - The Feynman diagrams attempt to describe the symmetries that cascade from the void - for example, virtual particles. The preceding four fundamentals listed above (have I missed any?) provide the basis for disaggregating the void into its components. In the absence of information in the IT sense, the missing fundamental that brings it all together is association (CS Peirce). For it is only through association that the void can disaggregate into its components as matter, form and energy in space and time.
And what is association if not the fundamental for all cognitive processes?
Association, then, must be the ultimate that exists, everything else revolves around it. Association of information is the basis for all meaning, and the foundation for the possibilities that cascade from the void. For all living things, it manifests in the tensions between the known and the unknown, the perils of surviving ecosystems and cultures throughout a living universe.
Interesting, I think we have some ideas that intersect or overlap.
Information consists of the properties and structure of a physical phenomenons. An electron, atom, molecule, organism, etc. It could also be some subset of those, such as the holes in a punched card, the pattern of electrical charges in a computer memory, written symbols on paper, etc.
Meaning is an actionable relation between two sets of information, through some process. Take a counter, what does it count? There must be a process that increments it under certain circumstances, which establishes it’s meaning. Similarly a map might represent an environment, but you need to understand how to interpret the map to act on it. Think of a map in the memory of a self-driving car. It’s just binary data, but the navigation program and sensors interpret it into effective action via a program. Without the program the data is useless. Meaningless.
So the meaning of information is relational, it’s the set of actionable correspondences a set of information has. Since each of our brains is different, we each have different sets of correspondences between all the information encoded in our neural networks, and received by our senses. An observer of that information has a different set of correspondences with that information than the information in the brain has itself. Therefore the meaning is different. The only way to have the same meaning relation is literally to have all the exact same relations in the same way.
Consciousness is the activity of these interpretive, relational processes in action. It’s a very specific kind of activity, not just any process on information. Everything about consciousness is informational. It is perceptive, interpretive, analytical, self-referential, recursive, reflective, it can self-modify. These are all attributes of information processing systems, and we can implement simple versions of all of these in information systems right now.
@@simonhibbs887 "So the meaning of information is relational..." This is why the mind-body problem is pivotal to all forms of consciousness. Humans with hands with which to write and create, and vocal chords with which to speak and engage are predisposed to language and culture.
Despite their domestication among humans, cats & dogs do not have the physical attributes that predispose them to learning complex language or engaging with culture. They don't have the mind-body predispositions for immersing in human-cultural associations. It does not *occur to them* to avail themselves to these kinds of options.
Association is integral to top-down causation because experiences, as associations, wire the neuroplastic brain. For humans, that top-down causation is culture.
What's it like to be a dog, a cat, a whale, a bat, a bird or a fish? Look not at the brain, but at the body that wires it.
Messi
Sounds like the rediscovery of substantial form & prime matter within hylomorphism by my lights. Comment for traction.
Infuriating. A “wave function” is not “information”. A wave function is by definition a smooth continuum. Information is discrete and finite. I’m for information: empirically, no one has ever observed a continuum (or any other infinity).
The wave function of the universe is a description of the state of the universe. How is that not information?
@@zelmoziggy How many bits?
@@richardatkinson4710 I have no idea. Why does that matter?
@@zelmoziggy If it “is” information, it should be measurable in bits. How could that be attempted?
@@richardatkinson4710 You translate the wave function equation into binary code just like you do any other equation. How is it NOT information?
"What exists" is such a dumb question. To exist is just a human concept. Nothing truly exists. Or better, everything exists and doesnt exist at the same time. It's just a meaningless word.
the only reason you *think* you know the material exists is bc of mind.
Which means there must be a causal continuity of kind between the material and mind.
@@simonhibbs887 according to Berkley and Schopenhauer and the Buddha, etc. and many other of the greatest geniuses of history it means all there is, is mind. According to Kant, Descartes, Plato, etc. and many other of the greatest geniuses of history it means that there is both material and mind, and they are two separate things. Spinoza would say its all one substance, and that substance was both the mind and the material.
@@asielnorton345 While I think Spinoza's logical formalism is very flawed, thought absolutely groundbreaking for the time, I think we was right about a single substance. In modern physics that would be energy, which manifests as excitations of various fields. At least that is how it is described in modern physics.
I think it's clear that the mental and the physical are causally contiguous with one another. We can have thoughts that prompt action in the world, and states of affairs in the world cause changes in our minds. For me, this excludes dualism.
The question is what is the relationship between mind and matter. I think Aguirre is on to something. What we call mater is an activity, it's something these quantum fields do. I think consciousness is an activity, it's something our brains do. Of the alternatives to physicalism I think idealism is the most credible. They just put the causal relationship different ways round. Does mind cause matter, or does matter cause mind? Maybe they're just different ways of looking at the same thing.
@@simonhibbs887 i think what science can tell us is behavior. math shows us patterns, and empirical science also shows us patterns. so our senses are reading patterns that our minds are interpreting a specific way. so if what we are sensing is actually real, and our interpretation is valid (which are two very big ifs), what we can understand through empirical science is patterns of behavior within the narrow confines of our sensory apparatus. but we dont know what it is that is behaving in this way, or if it really is behaving in this way, or if we are protecting it. obviously many people have said that it is all an illusion, or just something that is in mind. i think our definitions of it are various forms of language (which are abstractions) that creates a kind of construct that we can wrap our head around and act on. in my own deepest moments, whether it is a mystical moment, or a moment of deep thought, it does seem to me to be one thing,, and this thing is patterned, and it is spirit or energy that is placed exactly as it has to be placed (which would be closest to Spinoza).
@@simonhibbs887 i think science shows us patterns of behavior. as hume demonstrated. i would say math is a type of language that we us to communicate patterns of behavior as well. what none of these things can tell us is what it is that is actually behaving. furthermore, these our just interpretations of what our senses are telling us, that our mind apparatus is interpreting. so at best what we have is an interpretation of the narrow spectrum of something that our senses can sense and our apparatus can interpret, in the way that it can interpret it. in other words we can describe through various abstractions of language, a constructed reality which conforms and is limited to our ability to sense and understand. through these constructions we build systems that we use to act. but we have no idea what if anything actually exists. in my own deepest moments of thought and experience it does seem to me to be one thing. and this thing appears patterned, and it appears to be placed precisely as it has to be. a kind of perfect web. one could describe it as energy or spirit. these sort of mystical revelations could be closest to Spinoza's understanding, but one could argue that it's most like Buddha's or Plotinus's, etc.
Everything Exist ... But between being real and not being real between real or fake /everything existed But there mind over matters meaning Like pincho growing larger noise become real live boy we all experience life as God print 🐾 We are all God experienced within in God images patterns God code both worlds Cause God was spiral And Human angel meaning he was supernatural God of existence
It’s very possible you think way too highly of yourself.
More linguistic verbal gymnastics that is only relevant in an academic environment. It is irrelevant and meaningless in daily life.
What is meaningful in daily life?
@@XOPOIIIOMorning coffee and afternoon joint probably?
Sad but true. Daily life for most people is not grounded in deep truth.
Aargh! Information does not include, and cannot attempt to explain, value. Nietzsche said something like “Henceforth the task of scientists is to explain the origin of value”. They seem to have wasted a century or so…
@@richardatkinson4710 Aargh? Dr. Aguirre and Nietzsche are in agreement here; they do not want Ex Nihilo nihil fit
It's all equally real, however the sum of the lower scale action components define the large scale action components (It's is all local inertial computation that have to travel over distance, therefore the sum of the small scale inertia defines the large scale system [wholistically]). Also, information is something that brain exchange to describe the mathematical reality (local mathematical operations is reality [the local average of inertial vectors within a superfluid with no small scale boundary that computational renders the quantum vortex network, and it's recession to smaller scales until a atomic or viscous boundary is met]).
Viscous. Sure, sure. But: What about Elvis? ;-)
Infuriating. A “wave function” is not “information”. A wave function is by definition a smooth continuum. Information is discrete and finite. I’m for information: empirically, no one has ever observed a continuum (or any other infinity).
Fields in QM are quantised and so discrete in at least that sense. They have discrete properties such as spin and charge. Space seems pretty continuous, so does time, and these fields are continuous in space. So if space isn’t continuous neither are they.
@@simonhibbs887 I agree
@@simonhibbs887space time falls apart at plank scale
@@backpackbattles4176 what do you mean by falls apart?